Preppers Cookbook
The Prepper's Blueprint
The Prepper's Blueprint
Preps and Solutions
(Sponsored Ads)
Strategic Relocation
Silver
US Deception
Bulletproof Home Defense
top Prepper Web Sites
Recently Posted Articles and Videos
The Daily Sheeple
Ready Nutrition - Homesteading and Preparedness
The Prepper Website
SGT Report
Featured Destinations
The Liberty Mill
Web Destinations
  • * GoldBroker.com *
  • * Infowars *
  • * Jeff Rense *
  • * Prepper Website *
  • * Ready Nutrition *
  • * SGT Report *
  • * Silver.com *
  • * Stan Deyo *
  • * Steve Quayle *
  • * Survival Blog *
  • * The Daily Sheeple *
  • * The Organic Prepper *
  • * Wide Awake News *
  • 321Gold
  • Activist Post
  • All American Gold
  • Alt Market
  • American Preppers Network
  • Amerisafe Neighbor Network
  • Ammo For Sale
  • Apartment Prepper
  • Armageddon Online
  • Backdoor Survival
  • Bearish News
  • Berkey Guy Blog
  • Beyond Collapse
  • Black Listed News
  • Blue Collar Prepper
  • Calculated Risk
  • Chris Martenson
  • Code Green Prep
  • Collapse Medicine
  • Collapse Net
  • Countdown to Collapse
  • Daily Collapse Report
  • Daily Crux
  • Deadline Live
  • Doc Medina – Soapbox
  • Don't Tread on Me
  • Doom & Bloom Survival Medicine
  • Doomsday Prepping
  • Education After the Collapse
  • Enemies Foreign & Domestic
  • Eric Peters Politics
  • Family Survival Plan
  • FloJak
  • Fraudonomics
  • From the Blind
  • From the Trenches
  • Front Line of Defense
  • Full Spectrum Dominance
  • Government Is a Joke
  • Homestead Revival
  • International Forecaster
  • Jack Blood
  • Jeff Rense
  • Joe For America
  • King World News
  • Lew Rockwell
  • Liberty Blitzkrieg
  • Liberty Mill
  • Market Ticker
  • Max Velocity Tactical
  • Mish – Economic Trends
  • Modern Survival Online
  • Occupy Corporatism
  • Off Grid Survival
  • Oracle Broadcasting
  • Outdoors Native
  • Patriot Net Daily
  • Peak Prosperity
  • Pioneer Living
  • Preparedness Review
  • Prepography
  • Prepper Central
  • Prepper Dashboard
  • Prepper For The Worst
  • Prepper Trader
  • Prepping Blogs
  • Prepping for Hard Times
  • Prepping to Survive
  • Project Chesapeake
  • Rawles' Survival Blog
  • Sherrie Questions All
  • SHTF America
  • SHTF School
  • SHTF Wiki
  • Skeptical Survivalist
  • Sound Money Campaign
  • Sovereign Man
  • Sticker Armory
  • Story Leak
  • Survival and Prosperity
  • Survival Blogs
  • Survival Life
  • Survival Logic
  • Survival Magazine
  • Survival Prepper Joe
  • Survival Pulse
  • Survival Spot
  • Survival Week
  • Survivalist Boards
  • Survivopedia
  • Tactical Intelligence
  • The Burning Platform
  • The Prepared Ninja
  • The Prepper Journal
  • The Prepper Project
  • The Silver Bear Cafe
  • The Survival Mom
  • The Warning Signs
  • TheSurvivalistBlog.net
  • Truth Is Treason
  • Underground Medic
  • United American Freedom Foundation
  • Urban Survival Site
  • Value Investing Pro
  • What Really Happened?
  • Wood Pile Report
  • Yoga Sacramento
  • Zero Hedge

  • Clarocet for Kids
     

    Prelude to Disaster: The Coming Instantaneous Collapse of Obamacare Services

    Mac Slavo
    October 24th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
    Comments (345)
    Read by 34,783 people

    free-healthcare

    There is no doubt that President Obama’s health care system promises to fundamentally transform America. It’s been touted as the saving grace of the working class.

    But how feasible is it really?

    We know it’s essentially a wealth redistribution scheme that takes money from one group of people in the form of forced tax payments, only to shift that money into the pockets of those who didn’t earn it in the form of government subsidies to their health care premiums.

    But like all universal programs, the promise of free anything only works so long as you don’t run out of other people’s money.

    That being said, a basic analysis of how Obamacare premiums work across the spectrum of America’s wide ranging socio-economic population suggests that it’s dead on arrival.

    Once the forced mandates take hold one of two outcomes become inevitable, as noted by The Market Ticker, whose Karl Denninger took a detailed look at the government’s county-by-county premium data.

    The consequences of implementation will be disastrous.

    Either the Obamacare system itself collapses under its own weight, or the U.S. economy falls apart because of the extreme burden being hoisted on those who are responsible for paying the bill.

    Either way, we’re looking at an almost instantaneous collapse of one or the other.

    It’s an exercise in basic arithmetic that those who failed to read the bill before passing it should have considered prior to pushing this on the American people by way of a new stealth tax… unless of course the further impoverishment of America is their ultimate goal.

    There are several very interesting statistical facts that come from this.

    First, if you’re “27″, the average premium is $266.20/month or $3,194.40 per year.  How many 27 year olds have an extra $3,200 to spend on this?  Remember, this is the price that virtually every uninsured 27 year old must be willing — and able — to cough up in order to prevent the model this system is predicated on from collapsing.

    If those 27 year olds don’t show up, and they won’t, then the system collapses instantly.  If they do show up because the government threatens them with fines the economy collapses as $3,200 a year exceeds the average 27 year old’s disposable personal income after mandatory expenses (e.g. food, shelter, etc.)  Remember, there are always exceptions but these premiums are averages and over large pools of people the statistical averages are what matters — not the ends of the barbell.

    It gets better.  The “average” 50 year old premium, again, for single coverage, is $452.87, or $5,434.44/year.  How many 50 year olds will find that attractive compared against what they’re paying now?  Probably more of them, especially if they’re already sick.  But how about the healthy ones?

    Note two things as well on this account — these premiums are for non-smokers (smoker premiums are grossly surcharged with reports being 2x the above) and they do not account for anyone other than one person.  If you are a single parent with kids (rather common) the premium on average is $610.23/month or about $7,300, and if you’re a couple it’s $647.86 (again, $7,774 annually.)

    Now let’s look at the government’s own claims.  First, the CPI index claims that health insurance is 0.656% of the family budget.  What percentage of couples make $1.185 million a year?  Why do I ask?  Because that’s the alleged median income for a couple if you believe the government’s CPI numbers.

    Yeah, right.

    Next, while some people will get “tax credits” to offset these costs all that does is lard it up on the federal budget, because someone else has to pay that bill.  In other words this is the true cost that will come out of your hide one way or another — either directly by paying, indirectly by taxation, or indirectly by destruction of your purchasing power.

    Next, note that this is the “50 year old” premium but you have to be 65 to qualify for Medicare.  The price will rise each year after 50 that you happen to be and there are already reports that if you’re 59 these premiums are understated by half.  How many couples who are 59 and cannot qualify for Medicare yet have not $7,700 a year of extra money laying around but north of $15,000?

    That’s what I thought.

    Full Analysis at Market Ticker

    The whole idea is predicated on the notion that you can indefinitely take from Peter to pay Paul.

    But eventually Peter is going to run out of money and not be able to foot the bill, or he’ll simply refuse to buy into the scheme altogether.

    Like everything else government, the new health care initiative will be a complete and utter failure.

    The basic principles of mathematics will prove this to be true in coming months and years.

    As Denninger notes, America will be “strangled and expire economically as a direct consequence” of the marriage of the State and Health Care industry.

    The die has been cast.

    Please Spread The Word And Share This Post
        name:     email:        details

    Author: Mac Slavo
    Views: Read by 34,783 people
    Date: October 24th, 2013
    Website: www.SHTFplan.com

    Copyright Information: Copyright SHTFplan and Mac Slavo. This content may be freely reproduced in full or in part in digital form with full attribution to the author and a link to www.shtfplan.com. Please contact us for permission to reproduce this content in other media formats.

     

    345 Comments...

    Vote: Click here to vote for SHTF Plan as a Top Prepper Web Site
    1. Ugly says:

      Anytime something is ‘free’ for someone, it always costs someone else even more.

      To be honest, under the ACA my premiums may go down. Right now, we pay $1,300 per month. So mine may go down, but many others will double.

      I’m still not signing.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 88 Thumb down 2

      • Iowa says:

        Hey Obama,

        EAT MICHELLE’S DICK, FAGGOT!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 191 Thumb down 46

        • SugarHoneyIceTea says:

          That is AWESOME!!! Hilarious….

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 38 Thumb down 10

          • KY Mom says:

            Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare

            “According to health policy expert Bob Laszewski, roughly 16 million Americans will lose their current plans because of Obamacare:

            The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration’s REGULATIONS ON GRANDFATHERING EXISTING PLANS were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 MILLION, are NOT grandfathered and MUST COMPLY WITH OBAMACARE AT THEIR NEXT RENEWAL.

            The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

            These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law’s benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.”

            “Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent,” Kaiser reports.

            “Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About two-thirds of those policyholders will see rate increases in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky.”

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 5

            • Yep, here in Florida some 300,000 people insured by BC/BS (Florida Blue) were just notified that their current plan would not meet the new requirements and that they were being terminated at the end of the year. They will have to go online and get a new plan at a higher price.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1

          • KY Mom says:

            Reposted from previous thread…

            Retired Kentucky Teachers now REQUIRED to sign up for Obamacare or be without insurance.

            I just got off the phone with a friend who is a retired teacher. Retired teachers are now REQUIRED to sign up for Obamacare or they will be without insurance. She taught for 35 years. KEA dues and teacher retirement took a substantial amount out of teacher paychecks.

            First, I want to tell you that the emails we have been circulating that forecast the nightmare of Obamacare were TRUE! I’ve had people look me in the face and deny that what I was telling them would “never happen”.

            Here are some highlights from her experience.

            They HAD to take a flu shot before they were allowed to begin the registration process. Btw, this was a big event held at BSTSC Big Sandy for all retired teachers.

            She said the process was invasive. She had to answer questions like “do you wear a seat belt?” “do you speed when you drive?”. I don’t know what that has to do with registering for insurance.

            The people doing to registering were, also, very rude. She had to give out information about herself that was very private and has nothing to do with healthcare or insurance.

            They were given a health assessment. I think that was were she had to give them information about herself.

            They had to have a Vitality Check. In a room full of people, they were measured and weighed. People were told they were obese, etc. in front of this room full of people! My friend had given them her weight, during the health assessment. They weighed her as 4 pounds heavier than she had told them and they insinuated that she had lied to them. She was told what foods she needed to eat, exercise, etc. All of this in front of a room full of people.

            They had to sign a Living Will Promise. That is where you promise to follow the guidelines you were given as a result of the Vitality Check. If you do not improve by the time you register again (for her that will be January – in three months), you will be bumped down to the lowest level of treatment.

            Also, Obamacare is NOT good out of state. If you need to go to a hospital or a doctor in another state, you’re just out of luck. I know a lot of people who have to travel to other states to get care for their specific kind of cancer. What will happen to them?

            Her comments were that this was socialism at its finest and smack of communism. She also, said that if you had a question about anything, those doing the registering would not give an answer.

            I never thought I would see the day that American citizens would be treated this way, subjected to such degrading, demoralizing treatment.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 150 Thumb down 7

            • DRD5508 says:

              KY MOM, this is very sad. Theses people want to see what we’ll do about it. My wife’s retirement health insurance went up , few years back, by 500%. I stayed working and illiminated the retiree insurance.

              Mac, I believe they’re trying to collapse both the health system and our economy at the same time.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 53 Thumb down 4

            • Peterson says:

              Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

              Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 41

              • KY Mom says:

                I have already contacted my Senator, Rand Paul.

                Since you think you KNOW EVERYTHING, what is your plan?

                BTW…My friend NEVER voted for your guy…Obama

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 4

                • Peterson says:

                  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

                  Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 31

                • KY Mom says:

                  Peterson,

                  I repeat…My friend is NOT and was not a liberal.

                  You still never the answer of what you would do to help fix this mess. No, instead you gave a typical liberal politician response … NOT answer the question and insult the person.

                  I have been to Washington and our state capital taking action about this and other issues that concern me.

                  I work in a small business, garden, can food and EARN my living.

                  Can you say the same? Who is the real Keyboard Commando? You NEVER offer ANY constructive or informative comments. The only thing you offer is CRITICISM.

                  Leave me alone!

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 5

                • Peterson says:

                  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

                  Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 27

              • Highspeedloafer says:

                Pederson you are wasting the air in whatever state you live in. Why don’t you leave the lady alone? Go somewhere that you are welcome!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1

            • Jack says:

              Which candidate did the unions KEA/NEA back in the last two presidential elections? I believe it was Obama. The Kentucky Education Association (KEA) union backed Pro Obamacare Gov. Steve Beshear over Ernie Fletcher and David Williams. Steve Beshear has said that Obamacare is working “very well” in his state.

              I have to say that the treatment is as despicable, however considering that the KEA requires 60% of their voters approve a candidate before he or she is endorsed for political office and that the teachers Unions were early and aggressive supporters of BHO I have a hard time feeling sorry for them regarding how the president and administration that they helped impose on the rest of us has treated them.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 42 Thumb down 3

              • joe america says:

                Who is evading the truth? All the folks who thought OB was the next coming and voted for him and now say they didn’t, or the gov on how many votes were cast for OB. I cant stop visioning all these crowds of people after the election who came together and stood swaying, holding up their hands together, and celebrating their triumph.
                What were they celebrating?

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 1

            • Peterson says:

              Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

              Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 45

              • KY Mom says:

                Dear troll Peterson,

                You know NOTHING about my friends or family.

                My friend is a Conservative Christian. She was an excellent teacher and those students in her class were LUCKY to have her.

                Myself and others are spreading the word of what is happening to the retired teachers. Millions of other people around the country are also having their insurance “cancelled” due to Obamacare.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 41 Thumb down 7

              • OutlawsBroInLaw says:

                That does it Peterson, you are going to get the rectal cactus treatment from Obowelas boys for the low down comments you are making….

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 3

                • Peterson says:

                  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

                  Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 25

            • unknown suspect says:

              This sounds like opportunity knocking. I think you should sit down and interview your friend very thoroughly, all details and write a nice long new story on what to expect when showing up for your sign up. Every painful privacy stomping detail. Anybody out there have parents/grandparents that got measured and tested in the fatherland for the 1000 year reich? Ask. Sounds like this is on par with the same ideals.

              Evil comes in many forms, sometimes disguised as good.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 35 Thumb down 1

            • I can’t help but believe that obamacare
              is the ultimate ptb plan to take this
              country down with. The coup de grace is
              in position now. All Illegal, of course.

              I don’t see it any other way.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 71 Thumb down 2

              • Donald Ames says:

                That was the plan all along, not health care! Rememember, Communism is GOOD!!! HAIL Chairman Mao,
                HAIL, Josef Stalin, Lenin and Marx!!! Amrica has fallen!!! ENJOY COMMUNISM, SHEEPLE!!!!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 29 Thumb down 4

                • Anon says:

                  @Donald, I really think we have become fascist, instead of communist, but we are splitting hairs, it’s all tyranny in the end. If it all flys apart, and I hope it doesn’t, I’ll stand with those that want a return to a Constitutional Republic.

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 2

                • KY Mom says:

                  “Socialism is the prelude or ‘intermediate step’ towards communism.”
                  - according to the Communist Manifesto written in 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 4

              • Hammerun says:

                The entire idea from the onset was to get to a single payer. What’s coming next is the Obamacare plans coming totally into the light and anyone involved will suffer sticker shock.
                Then they start with Obiwhan having a moment of clarity and brings on his single payer idea. With to start with sub reasonable rates that everyone will find appealing.
                Then the real fun begins. And the suckers will line up in droves. If this is allowed we are so fucked. Obama and company are playing us like a fiddle.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 30 Thumb down 1

              • John W. says:

                The coming amnesty will be the last nail in the coffin. The worst part is no one seems to care.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 41 Thumb down 2

              • KY Mom says:

                Sid,

                I believe Obamacare was never about healthcare, but about CONTROL.

                It may be the vehicle that enables them to gain “totally transform the country.”

                Take care!
                KY Mom

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 30 Thumb down 4

                • USCORP says:

                  Why are we always surprised when we discover a little thread dangling and we pull on it only to find out that a government is trying to control something yet again.

                  govern = to rule
                  mental = mind

                  Obama are is a thread, and a small one at that.

                  Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

              • Babycatcher55 says:

                It didnt let me vote, but a big thumbs up! I think obamascare is designed to help collapse the economy. We couldn’t afford it before, we sure can’t afford it now….

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 1

            • Way back in the beginning Obama said he wanted government healthcare (Communist healthcare) but the American people would not accept it. So he said “ok
              but you will beg for it one day” Their plan was to make Obamacare so horrible that the people would scream for it to be gone and would take whatever other system was offered. And our Congressmen voted for this.

              As far as I am concerned every citizen should look to see who voted for this and if one of your congressional representatives voted yes, contact them and let them know that you will vote against them because of this and you will work to get them voted out. Congress does NOT use Obamacare nor does the White House or Supreme Court.

              Support a constitutional amendment by Rand Paul that states that Congress shall make no laws for citizens that do not equally apply to themselves and shall not be exempt for the laws of this nation. That amendment also includes the White House and Supreme Court.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 68 Thumb down 2

              • Anonymous says:

                C.
                One of my senators or whoever, voted for O care, the one that wants to run
                Against him all the sudden took a trip (vacation) to isreal. Now what.
                I thought about voting. Never done it. Why start now. It’s all fake

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 5

              • durango kidd says:

                Flu shots for everyone or no O’Bummer Care for you!!! Digital chips for everyone or no health care for you!!! Wear the Mark of the Beast with pride Sheeple!!!

                Socialism for the poor, Fascism for the rich, another shit sandwich for the Middle Class who must subsidize them both!!!

                Engage your employees or be enslaved by them one Rule, Regulation, and law at a time!!! :-)

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 44 Thumb down 5

              • Merree says:

                I agree that part of the plan for Obamacare was to sell the public on a one payer system. One administrative official was quoted (at the time the program was passed) as saying that he expected that it would make it possible to transition to a one payer system within 10 years. I think some politicians saw the potential disaster but supported it anyway because they wanted to take advantage of the eventual collapse.

                The other problem is – much of the program was written by and catered to the insurance industry. Sebelius has significant ties to the insurance industry and few commentators have bothered to explore that. The insurance companies are raking in big bucks over this deal.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

              • JayJay says:

                I am so damn tired of patriots yelling this same theme..
                VOTE THEM OUT!!
                Hey, geniuses!! You can’t vote someone out if there is no constitutionalist running against them.
                Get another theme.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 7

                • durango kidd says:

                  Jayjay: Get another candidate. Colorado did. Patriots can too! The Republic belongs to US … if WE are determined to keep it.

                  What are YOU doing about it? If not US, who? If not now, when? Engage. Get involved people, or remain Sheeple. :-)

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 2

                • JayJay says:

                  Great work DK–one down, 544 to go?
                  You will NOT make a difference even IF that newbie beats the machines.
                  Yep–I said it–if national elections can be manipulated, why not state??

                  Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 9

                • JayJay says:

                  What am I doing about it??
                  I am NOT participating and supporting the sham of voting!!!

                  I am NOT your huckleberry!!! :-)

                  Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 11

            • Gods Creation says:

              This scam is no different than any other government scam. If you VOLUNTEER, your screwed. If not, they will leave you alone and focus their attacks on those dumb enough to volunteer.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 2

            • Bruce says:

              I like it when socialists become victims of their own politics. The public education system is Marxist to the Common Core.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 1

            • jr23 says:

              sounds like grounds for a hippa suit
              are ky teachers union? since Unions were all for obamacare

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

          • KY Mom says:

            Repost from a previous thread…

            Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare

            “According to health policy expert Bob Laszewski, roughly 16 million Americans will lose their current plans because of Obamacare:

            The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration’s REGULATIONS ON GRANDFATHERING EXISTING PLANS were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 MILLION, are NOT grandfathered and MUST COMPLY WITH OBAMACARE AT THEIR NEXT RENEWAL.

            The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

            These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law’s benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.”

            “Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent,” Kaiser reports.

            “Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About two-thirds of those policyholders will see rate increases in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky.”

            The Weekly Standard

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

        • maudy fricket says:

          Michelle is really Patrick Ewing in drag.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 46 Thumb down 12

        • Swinging on a star says:

          The anointed one and his secret pals know exactly what they are doing, their plan is working perfectly. Fortunately for them, congress is too stupid and clueless to put two and two together.

          NWO, after the dust settles then this nasty selfish little America will get her due, that according to the PTB, they can’t wait to bring us to our knees and then rewrite history and the future. The scary part is, no one is going to stop them.

          Universal health care for the ones who are left intact, you know, the illegals, the minorities, the muslims, the indoctrinated college groupies and don’t forget the crack heads and the women with six kids and six different baby daddies.

          The ones left out will be the middleclass, the middle aged white male, the right to lifers, the religious, the elderly and the constitution believers. I wonder what they will have in store for them, one can only imagine.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 38 Thumb down 2

          • hammerhead says:

            swinging said: “I wonder what they will have in store for them, one can only imagine.”

            I happen to think that Kerry signing the UN small arms treaty (the scum in the senate WILL ratify it ) and the DHS bullet buildup are all related.
            When the middle class white guy gets sick of being kicked in the teeth and says NO MORE! he will get greated by a russian UN “peace keeping” force.
            THe rollout of this unconstitutional nightmare is nothing more than the introduction of communism .

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 30 Thumb down 1

            • KY Mom says:

              Obamacare Operator Fired After Taking Call From Hannity; Hannity To Give Her A Year’s Salary

              On the top of Thursday’s broadcast of his radio show, Sean Hannity revealed Erling Davis, the Obamacare operator he called early in his Monday show, got fired. Hannity quizzed her on how well the law is being received by applicants and SHE REVEALED NO ONE LIKED IT.

              Hannity had Davis on his show today and revealed he will give her a year’s salary of $26,000 and help her find a new job.

              http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/24/obamacare_operator_fired_after_taking_call_from_hannity_hannity_to_give_her_a_years_salary.html

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 3

              • Shifty says:

                I just listened to the replay from today’s radio show. Pretty awesome thing Hannity is doing.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1

                • Tucker says:

                  I am not even a little bit impressed by anything this nauseating slab of hyena manure, Sean Hannity says or does.

                  That turd is a disgusting opportunist and he is also a war mongering, treasonous toe sucker for the criminal, false flag terrorism sponsoring, 9-11 orchestrating, backstabbing, garbage dump nation of Israel.

                  I will guarantee to everyone who reads this website – that, had that employee been a White woman, Sean Hannity would not have given her a dime out of his own pocket. Believe, and do some research on youtube if you want to verify what I am about to say – Hannity is an anti-White, race traitorous piece of maggot infested hyena dung. And, the reason Hannity is a white race traitor is because he knows that the jews who sign his massive paychecks demand that he be a race traitor in order to continue to be on their payroll.

                  But, don’t take my word for it. Hit youtube and look for videos where Hannity has had David Duke on his show and watch how rude and contemptible he treats Duke, when Duke is simply trying to advocate for the perfectly legitimate interests of White European people. And, contrast that with how Hannity kisses the asses of every black ‘civil rights’ spokesman who he interviews.

                  Trust me. Hannity donates money to that employee only because she was black, and he’s trying to milk it to try to convince blacks that he (and, by default, the GOP) is on their side. Purely a political ploy, folks.

                  It will gain the GOP zero black votes.

                  Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

          • That’s the plan…of mice and men…don’t count us down and out yet my friend…we the people haven’t really spoken yet…I think their plans are about to meet up with murphy,liberty lovers and God…they are more afraid than they let on…

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 35 Thumb down 1

          • wildman says:

            Swinging on a star You have got it right! If you listen to what obama says then watch what he does you will get a good idea of what is to come an it sure aint the utopia he says ! The fema camps will be overloaded, starvin people everywheres, then the holocaust begins! There is 1 way to defeat this deal but it takes guts an i dont see many showin up for the party! But what i do see is a major awakin in the near future after all these idiots figure out its been a scam along! DHS didnt buy all that ammo for nothin, They intend to use evry last round they have to keep the control. But in the end They will be beaten as history shows cause every wheres communism has been tried The people always win. We maybe bankrupt but we can always scratch out a livin that is somethin the TPTB cannot take away. Th major jig is almost up on this president, The idiots who put him in power an kept him there are tryin their damnedest to keep their neck out of the noose when the shit hits the fan but as history shows that aint gonna happen!The NWO will hide in fear they are exposed as the party gets started! Remember We are not in this alone The whole world is in this boat cause when we go the rest go! KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY AN GET READY!!! I have been shot at by the best an shit at by the rest ! Im still here. All i can say its gotta be gods plan cause after all thats happened to me. Im still here an at this time i dont look to go anywhere for awhile so Bring on the horseshit cause i can take it time for that piece of peach cobbler with bourbon sauce. wildman out

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 2

          • Barn Cat says:

            Congress isn’t stupid. The leaders are on the same side. The Tea Party conservatives are kept out of leadership roles and demonized even by their own party. Some of the leaders might be blackmail victims of what the NSA found out about them.

            Expect your ability to get care based on who you are. Just like what Obama did with the IRS. If you’re not in the right political class you’re probably going to be denied that surgery that you need.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 27 Thumb down 0

            • Swinging on a star says:

              Barn Cat,

              Perhaps congress isn’t as naïve as I think they are but I do know one thing that motivates them to look the other way, it is greed, pure and simple.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1

            • Reynaldo says:

              The Tea Party is being used because it is not what it claims to be. The groundswell of Ron Paul Libertarians that started the protests against the banker and billionaire bailouts was hijacked by Murdoch & Koch and subsequently named the “Tea Party”. All the real Constitutionalists and Libertarians left and you never hear these Tea Partiers talking about billionaires and their sweet deals with the govt anymore. The same thing happened with OWS.

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 4

          • Gods Creation says:

            “”The scary part is, no one is going to stop them.””

            No “one” will. But millions with guns just might pull it off.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 2

          • Ender says:

            I agree with you except for one thing. “…no one is going to stop them.” WE will stop them. WE the people. That is our duty, our charge. It will hit the fan, the waste will die off, and once the smoke clears WE will band together and take back our beautiful land.

            Sua Sponte

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 2

            • 10% Off says:

              For the last several posts that refuse to roll over….Thank you! For those that want to just give up and “accept” what is coming, I don’t understand your weakness. According to so many, we are already defeated. I will not “accept” this future for my family. We will fight!!

              I read how you will defend yourself and your family if anyone were to “enter your home”, at any cost. The US is my home. I will defend it…for the sake of my family. We are being pushed on purpose. Something is going to snap and I believe you WILL see a revolution.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 3

              • javelin says:

                “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
                ― Patrick Henry

                “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”
                ― Patrick Henry

                “They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.”
                ― Patrick Henry

                “Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.”
                ― Patrick Henry
                and my personal favorite for all of those hopey, changey, “yes we can” chanting obamabots…….

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

        • Obama says:

          I’m Obama, and I approve this message!

          Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 0 Thumb down 9

        • Professor Higgins says:

          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

          Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 2 Thumb down 16

          • Reynaldo says:

            The last time I looked around, our country and culture did not look anything like Japans’s, or South Korea’s, or Taiwan’s, and thank god. And Japan’s economy is a complete cluster that’s closer collpase than ours is, not to mention that they’re not in the least conservative or capitalist, their entire monetary system is being inflated and manipulated. A single payer system here means the govt will put a beurocratic lackey industry insider in charge of our health care and it will be just as corrupt as every other govt agency.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 2

            • Professor Higgins says:

              Reynaldo: And of course the U.S. is a shining example of free-market capitalism unlike those that I mentioned, like Japan. It’s painfully obvious that you don’t know the first thing about Japan. They, like the U.S., have a mixed economy. That means it’s capitalist in basic structure with heavy governmental inputs. Their currency, like ours, is being manipulated through massive printing and they are on the same train(wreck) we are. It’s only a matter of who gets killed first. Rather pointless argument actually. And what about South Korea and Taiwan, you failed to mention either of them? By the way, all three of them have populations that live longer, healthier, have lower infant mortality rates, and higher educational rates than the ‘good old’ U.S. Oh, and far lest crime per capita. The icing on the cake is that all three of these countries beat America in primary education as well. But I’m sure that’s all just one big coincident, right? True, they usually come to America for a first rate college education but a funny thing happens when they get here. They have classes in math, science, and engineering with mostly foreign born students who are being taught by foreign born professors. Once we get universal health care here, then comes the gun limitations. You’ll soon be joining the rest of the civilized world; living longer, healthier, and more peacefully.

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 3 Thumb down 6

              • Ender says:

                We will see how your theology works for you “professor” dip shit. Its going to be the “educated” pinky-out individuals like yourself that are raped and pillaged first, simply because you refused to pull your head out of your 4th point of contact and look at your surroundings. Just don’t come anywhere near me with your arms outstretched as you starve and fail as a man to provide for your family that has ate your bullshit all their lives. I will feel ZERO remorse about canoeing your head when the time comes. Don’t bother retorting as I have no interest in reading or hearing any word that passes your lips. In my eyes, you are already dead.

                Sua Sponte

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

                • Ender says:

                  I would also like to state that I feel extreme remorse and pity for your family/loved ones that you have drug down the rabbit hole with you. You have fed them bullshit, and I’m sure that they ate it right up. However, soon, me thinks it will be YOU that is fed to your family. Enjoy, you fascist trash.

                  Sua Sponte

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

              • Anonymous says:

                The above mentioned countries are also mostly homogeneous, and of a single ethnic group, with very little mandated diversity. The tax rates in these countries exceeds what we can ever imagine, and the control of the population is far more insidious, and overreaching with social pressures aimed at group or hive mentality, like the Borg but building cars, cameras, and phones.
                I do not think most Americans would willingly surrender their opinions,outlook, and individual desires for our society, but it is a very Asian thing to blend into the nest mentality.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

      • old guy says:

        You pay $15600 per year for health insurance! That more than the average worker earns gross in Arkansas. Very few people draw that much in social security.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 66 Thumb down 0

        • Ugly says:

          That is what I pay. Ask any self-employed business owner what their premiums are. That is why I don’t listen to whiny govt or union workers about what they pay.

          Yes, the ACA will lower my premiums (based on their calculator) from what I pay $1300 per month clear down to about $700.

          But I don’t trust them. The math does not add up.

          If they need $1.5T to $2T per year to make this system work, then what is the real cost? Do the math.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 44 Thumb down 2

          • I’ll back this up..
            also self employed Business owner

            were getting fucked now, and were just going to get screwed harder very soon by this “Act” that’s a Tax, that is going to do nothing but redistribution to those who never did a dam thing to earn it in the first place

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 61 Thumb down 2

            • Iowa says:

              You know the Feds won’t take gold or silver…

              SO GIVE THEM LEAD!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 47 Thumb down 4

              • Kevin Titus says:

                To all the enforcers and federal agents working against us….take note….

                YOUR Bodies will hang from street posts when all is said and done.

                Remember Fallujah fuckers.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 3

                • Commie Positatus says:

                  I’m afraid this is, in reality, the only avenue left to change the system. Will politicians WILLINGLY give up their power, perks and dirty money? Will the radical socialists who infect Washington’s halls of power WILLINGLY evolve to a more benign and non-coercive policy? Will those who have been responsible for some of the greatest violence and deceit in world history become pacifists?

                  Not a snowball’s chance in hell. When the smoke clears–and there WILL be smoke–only one will be standing: a totalitarian dictatorship or a free people.

                  Commit now to doing whatever needs to be done to see the tyrants crushed into oblivion so that freedom and justice may refresh America.

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 2

              • Ugly says:

                Iowa.

                The Fed has plenty of lead. Lots of it to be exact. So they probably will take your gold and silver.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 2

                • lastmanstanding says:

                  Everyone gives them way to much credit.

                  The govt fucks will be scrambling for their lives once it happens…they already know they are on thin ice.

                  The earth will repel them.

                  See you on the other side.

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2

            • DRD5508 says:

              VRF, eventually the redistribution will be limited to tptb. Even now, what they are handing out comes with strings attached and will slowly decrease those getting the hand outs through depopulation.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

          • lastmanstanding says:

            ugly…try PacificSource. (no space between words.)

            We had our rates jacked 40% by BC BS…after 10 years of on time payments (with an $11 K deductable)they did not pay one fucking cent of coverage to my wife and I….We live a healthy life.

            There reason for canceling us was that they lumped us in with everyother human in our age group so we got “averaged in” just like the fuckers are doing with aca.

            PS was less than BCBS and the deductable was several thousand less. We are in a branch of the medical profession and this policy is ‘acceptable”

            I don’t forget. I am very patient…and I’m keeping track of who and what is going on.

            They are pushing us very hard right now…the longer that we standfast, the soon that they will fuck up.

            I have faith in God and I’m “NOT going down without one helluva fight”

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

          • Reynaldo says:

            The progressives in this country do not care who pays for their programs or how much they cost as long as it’s someone else, and anyone who complains is labeled a selfish bigot. And they have no understanding of the fact that govt is corrupt so the programs too will be corrupt.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

        • mallardhen says:

          Or Missouri. Look at the charts some counties in Missouri the average income is less then $1,200.00 a month and somehow they make it, I sure don’t know how maybe it is because families in these really poor counties are tight and they help each other.

          I think the Obammy boat is sinking fast and please don’t call out the life boats nobody cares if it goes down.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 1

          • Theres a lot of folks myself included who would feel rich/happy on $1200 a month or better off anyhow…used to feel good if I could get a 100 a month…

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

        • Bill Moore says:

          Hello,

          I am in a “group plan”. Not by choice.

          My cost for a blue cross/blue shield plan was $1,300/month for decades.

          The reason for that premium was because there were many homosexuals in the “group”. Each homosexual with aids has a monthly cost for their medications of $10,000. That cost was spread over the “group”.

          Just My Thoughts,
          Bill Moore

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 3

      • Rodster says:

        Don’t be fooled, this entire cluster-phuck known as Obamacare was purposely designed to fail so they could implement a “Single Payer Gov’t System”.

        The problem is going forward is that you collapse the system either way. We are poorer as a Nation thanks to the Liberals and Progressives. The population is aging and not enough good jobs unless you consider a part time Taco Bell job as a career advancement part of your life.

        The Chinese and the World realize we are buying everybody’s stuff for free and have no intention of paying it back.

        Once the Dollar loses its reserve currency status it’s all over and Obamacare is pushing up much faster to the end game.

        Also it’s not just the US who needs to be worried but the rest of the World. Because when we collapse that 1.6 QUADRILLION debt derivative that is hanging the World’s financial system will rear its ugly head.

        By that time every Nation will be pissed at us so expect a major world war.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 60 Thumb down 4

        • Rodster says:

          Drudge posted a link today that says unless you are expecting a tax refund the penalty is non enforceable. The IRS can’t even take the money from your bank account. ;)

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 4

          • The Old Coach says:

            I kinda don’t believe that one. The IRS could confiscate bank accounts and garnish wages even before Obamascare, and they have done it millions of times.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 1

            • JayJay says:

              Only if you owed taxes on your income–this is different.
              It is NOT tax on income!!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

              • durango kidd says:

                It is still a government tax and that tax lien will remain from year to year to year until it is paid. The IRS has a long memory. Ask any one with a student loan that is overdue.

                Just saying. Engage your enemy before they destroy you, your family, and the ideal that is America. :-)

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

            • RandomTangent1957 says:

              Exactly ! What the law says is irrelevant ….because the King does what he wants…and Congerss does not say a word about it. Look at how many time Obama has made changes to the law , given out exemptions, & now is going to push back the enrollment deadline. Changes to a law need to be made by the congress…not the dictator. So…next spring when Obama sees that none of the younger folks sign up….& they make sure to change their withholding so that they are not due refunds…..Obama will just decree that the IRS needs to seize the funds from everyone’s checking account…Congerss will do nothing….and everyone’s accounts will be raided. With all of the blatant violations of the Constitution …..I think folks are kidding themselves if they think they are safe. Everything that we learned about 3 branches of government, & separation of power…..back when we were in school is gone. Once the whole deal collapses….& SHTF…..
              Those of us that survive may be able to restore the Constitution.
              Until then Welcome to the Unified Socialists of Absurdistan !

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

          • Guero says:

            Except in many states it;s a crime to owe money and they put you in jail.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2

          • Hammerun says:

            Not yet!

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

          • Gonetoolong says:

            Set your taxes up to make certain that you receive no refund, set the extra money aside and just pay what you owe in April. Just takes a little more discipline and planning. Not one cent more.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

          • AZ PREPPER says:

            I BEG TO DIFFER

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Well then, i will just make sure that things are always in my favor!
            They cant get blood from a turnip,

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

          • lastmanstanding says:

            Just a technicality for now…the gang of 535 will just pass a new law to continue the theft.

            AS DK would say “engage your employees”

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • apache54 says:

        got my notice that my current plan is terminated after dec. and the NEW cheaper plan is 3 times the rate!! now how is that affordable???

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

      • Genius says:

        OBAMACARE FINES NOT ENFORCEABLE :) although I hate Rush Limpbagh I caught this link from another story… http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/10/24/opt_out_obamacare_penalty_can_t_be_enforced_unless_you_get_a_tax_refund Fook the IRS and the userper! I hope this is true. OK now for a prep tip… Buy bags of tobacco (called pipe tobacco to avoid taxes) whatever is cheapest and papers. Leave the tobbaco sealed and it should last a very long time. If it is very dry just add a few slices of apple to the bag and it will moisten. This will be a huge barter item even if you don’t smoke. It takes about 6 ounces of tobbaco to make a carton of cigs so if you had 5 lbs. it would make 13 cartons. Usually a pound is 15-18 paper satans so it’s a cheap and very valuable commodity! Ok back to your regularly scheduled programming lol. PS, you can lead a sheep to knowledge but you can’t make it think ;)

        Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 4

      • Agressive Progressive says:

        How can all this be happening? I thought Obamacare meant I get health care for free! WTF

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

        • BackSpace says:

          Free is Bait.

          BS

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

        • Its kinda like this… we have a lot of folks with no insurance…not good so we force them to buy insurance and …volia…everyone has insurance….we have a problem with hunger so we force you to buy food…volia…no more hunger problem…we have a problem with govt getting its nose into our business…we shoot the SOBs and volia…you guessed it…we have the dawn of a new age of liberty…PERSONALLY I LIKE THE LAST ONE…THE ONLY ONE THATLL WORK! :)

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

      • Hi Ugly,
        In the immortal words of Margaret Thather “the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

        • Ugly says:

          Country Codger.

          Part of what you say is true. But here is the reality.

          We have earned our money and our wealth on their system. Before 1972, USA was very wealthy due to its dollar being backed by our industrialized society and gold. We exported a lot of goods. But we couldn’t borrow on that.

          Then came Nixon and OPEC and the petrodollar. That built tremendous wealth. We also overspent and we are using credit.

          Thus, the central banks and the IMF are using QE to save them, not so much us. How this ends, I think many of us will live to see those days.

          Good luck.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

      • Pavan says:

        Those who get ObamaCare for free will use it like any other freeby. They’ll go to the doctor every time they have a hangnail. Obvously, that means Peter will have to come up with a lot of money to cover Paul’s “free” health care.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

    2. My friends in Europe pay out less of their income these days than we do and they already have healthcare and dental and retirement added in.
      I cant imagine how much of out income we will have left after they get done helping us…..

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 1

      • Gods Creation says:

        “””I cant imagine how much of out income we will have left after they get done helping us…..”””

        100% if you simply refuse the help…

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

      • durango kidd says:

        Your friends in Europe do not pay for their own defense either. The American taxpayer picks up that tab.

        Just saying. Its easy to pay for health care and 30 day paid state vacations for everyone when someone else is picking up the high cost of your national protection.

        WE have paid for the right to spy on OUR “friends”. :-)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

        • Ya know DK…been thinking about Washingtons vision lately and wondering what would cause the whole world to decide to attack us…putting the debt they owe china,the trouble they’ve given russia,the mess in the middle east all this worldwide spying debacle and a hundred other pieces of BS its becoming a bit clearer…and all because our employees need to be fired and we don’t fire them…maybe we will see them kill off the fedgov…problem is we the people will then have to expel them…might have been easier if we had just burned DC ourselves…just an observation :(

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

          • durango kidd says:

            Reb: The whole world will attack US because Americans WILL eventually repudiate the NWO in DC. While the NWO likes to paint the Tea Party as a radical conservative ideology, it is really the desire of the vast majority of mainstream Americans to return to Constitutional government. So you can see how DC would label that “radical”.

            Earth Changes will decimate the country and WE will be embroiled in and concerned with internal problems ….. creating a power vacuum in Europe that will be filled by the Anti Christ. Europe is consolidating as WE speak.

            Eventually, Americans will repudiate One World Government while the rest of the world embraces it. Then they will want OUR guns. And WE will give them to them. One bullet after another.

            Keep stacking and packing. Engage. :-)

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

    3. Nebraska says:

      This plan Sucks!!!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 34 Thumb down 1

      • yental says:

        “The plan”, is an AGENDA. “IT” WAS NEVER MEANT to provide anything but pain and a constant revenue stream to the various gooberment agencies involved. The hardest working, honest Americans will be sacrificed on the altar of “Obimbo-could-care-less”.

        NOW IS THE TIME…DO NOT COMPLY! If you are still looking for “the line in the sand”: YOU HAVE FOUND IT. The “fuse” is now OBVIOUS and ignited…THE FIREWORKS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE UTTERLY FANTASTIC AND “REALITY CHANGING”.

        Courage to just say NO, and a BACKBONE OF STEEL to MEAN IT…will KILL this sinister PLOT before it can claim even ONE VICTIM.

        “Affordable Health Care”…is not within the 11 million plus wording of this “nightmare fairy tale”! There WILL BE an impressive number of IRSS agents with obviously reduced lifespans if this atrocity somehow survives the BRILLIANT LIGHT OF DAY AND THE LONG AWAITED AWAKENING!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1

      • OutlawsBroInLaw says:

        now, now, don’t make the king have to come to your house and dry shave your behind and then give you the royal enema wand!!!

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

    4. Be informed says:

      The answer to BO care is real simple to higher cost, have the government charge it to the debt and everything will be just fine. Pushing it down the road, kicking the can, it works for the debt why not health care also. This country is exploding with debt all right, but also exploding with shear ignirance of what it means to spend without any restraint. You just watch all the subsidaries that the government will offer to keep BO care from becoming too expensive, especially a few months before any election. This country is going over the cliff, and BO has cut the brake lines, locked the steering and gears, and pinned the gas pedal down all the way to floor. Thank BO for doing all that you have done to destroy America.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 43 Thumb down 1

    5. Warchild says:

      Let it wreck completely before the next elections,no delay on individual mandates ect.Hold those resposible for voting for/supporting this bill in the spotlight come election day!As I said,will always try to share good news,we need it in tough times!Great story, http://bitcoinexaminer.org/your-bitcoins-can-help-the-shire-sharing-to-provide-a-happy-thanksgiving-to-people-in-need/ ,I especially liked this as it helps people in need and shows that one of many new forms of barter are working!Mac,as I have mentioned before,my net speeds slow down on yours and other what govt. would consider”questionable sites”,repair connection,works fine on innocuous sites but slows yet again on the “undesirable sites”,keep up the good work,we are getting to them!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Thats why BO put a hold on employer mandate because it trashes group plans just like individuals are grtting shafted.
        Ropes,
        Power poles,
        Guns.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

    6. old guy says:

      Im healthy so Ill not participate. I just pay the $95 or 1%. There is no punishment harsh enough or no reward great enough to force or entice me to buy health insurance. The law is uncounstitional. The supreme court got it wrong. The law forces me to engage in commerce. if I don’t im deemed a criminal subject to punishment. For doing absolutely nothing!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 65 Thumb down 2

      • InsanityISContagious says:

        From everything that is in place to date (which changes apparently whichever way Obama’s farts are blowing), the $95.00 is PER adult (over 18) family member. The GREATEST of the two sums, total per-family-member amount vs the 1% of family income, is what you would be paying in penalty.

        So if your family consists of you, your wife, and a 19-year-old uninsured son, your 2014 penalty would be MINIMALLY $285.00 (3 x 95.00)…and that’s if your total family income isn’t more than 28,500.00 (otherwise, the 1% of total family income would become the prevailing amount).

        The penalty for EACH under-18 uninsured family member is $47.50 for year 2014.

        People forget the “per person” part and the “GREATEST” part.

        By 2016, the penalty is an amount of $695.00 PER over-18 adult family member or 2.5% of total family income. So the same family scenario (2 parents and one 19-year-old son) would cost you a MINIMUM of $2085.00 (because it is the GREATEST of the two amounts) in penalties.

        There are some other “this’s” and “that’s” that can alter the penalty, but as usual, the IRS takes multiple pages and a ream of “paper” to explain it all.

        Feel free to double-check the math and if anybody finds additional info on this, please add on/subtract from. After spending an hour delving through information, I have a splitting headache researching this mess and I don’t even need FrankenCare.

        God help those who do.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 37 Thumb down 0

        • CWinOR says:

          They’ll have to come collect the penalty from me personally. I’ll gladly pay them- 5.56 at a time.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 2

        • Shootit says:

          The only way they can currently collect the penalty is if you are due a Tax refund or you are dumb enough to send them a check.

          ps. I always owe on April 15th.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

        • hammerhead says:

          isanity – remember , they CANNOT collect this penalty unless you recieve a tax refund that they can garnish.
          they cannot put a lien on your home or jail you for not paying the fine , so if you are collecting a paycheck make sure to claim max dependents and have little or no refund at the end of the year.
          This system is designed to crash in soooo many ways.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 1

          • The Old Coach says:

            As I posted above, this has been deemed a tax. The IRS has always had the power to confiscate assets and/or garnish wages to collect its’ pounds of flesh. There are legions of people who have suffered for as little as $10 dollars “owed”. Rush has it wrong.

            Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 5

        • Grandma says:

          As we say in Georgia, “you can’t get blood out of a turnup.” If you ain’t got it, you ain’t got it.
          You sell your house? Sell your clothes? Just to have a lousy health care plan? You lost your health care because of this lousy plan to help pay for others and now you got zip, nothing.

          They know what they are doing and so do we.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

          • …and we know what we’re gonna do Grandma… this time we aint gonna by-pass DC…we’re gonna march in and burn it to hell like Lee(God bless him) should’ve…besides we owe em for shermy… ;)

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • Deana says:

        I have read a couple of articles that state that if you do not pay the “Tax” that they can not really come after you for it. Especially if you are not owed a refund. They cannot seize anything. Cannot dip into any of your accounts, cannot put a lien on your house, etc. No criminal charges of any kind. Articles say the law was written that way on purpose, because other wise people would really get mad.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • My opinion says:

        I believe the penalties goes up each year. You might only pay $95 this year but they will be knocking at your door someday.

        Remember, just cause your paranoid doesn’t mean that they really aren’t out to get you….

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • Socrates says:

        Old Guy-

        Many people *think* they will just pay the $95 dollar ‘fine’ and be done with it. But did you read up about the graduated scale for those fines? It goes UP every year. People need to read up on this.

        What is the penalty for noncompliance?

        The penalty is the greater of:
        •For 2014, $95 per uninsured person or 1 percent of household income over the filing threshold,
        •For 2015, $325 per uninsured person or 2 percent of household income over the filing threshold, and
        •For 2016 and beyond, $695 per uninsured person or 2.5 percent of household income over the filing threshold.

        There is a family cap on the flat dollar amount (but not the percentage of income test) of 300 percent, and the overall penalty is capped at the national average premium of a bronze level plan purchases through an exchange. For individuals under 18 years old, the applicable per person penalty is one-half of the amounts listed above.

        Beginning in 2017, the penalties will be increased by the cost-of-living adjustment.

        Who will be exempt from the mandate?

        Individuals who have a religious exemption, those not lawfully present in the United States, and incarcerated individuals are exempt from the minimum essential coverage requirement.

        More of the BAD news here:
        https://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/questions-answers/individual-mandate.html

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

        • ya but…the law of the land says you cant treat one group different than another…one religion better than another…your cronies different than my people…this this is so in violation of the constitution its unreal…they can rot in hell…enough is enough,time to send this federal govt to hell on a gas truck…time to tell DC its over and close the book on them…back to the Articles!
          PS I realize they don’t care but they will when this reaches critical mass and its now officially fission time!

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • lower40 says:

        old guy

        im not even going to pay the $95 fine extortion is extortion if its $95 or $95k

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

      • Kulafarmer says:

        The supreme court is corrupt,
        They can all go to hell!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

    7. averagejoe says:

      Taxation without true representation!!!
      Time to dump some tea!!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 58 Thumb down 1

    8. Fireman Matt says:

      Ugly have you looked at what the reduced cost coverage provides? My bet is its apples to oranges when you figure in the reduced benefits and much higher deductibles. You might be able to afford the health care but never use it because you dont reach the deductibles or cant afford to.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

      • Mal Reynolds says:

        @Fireman Matt:

        Excellent point. Deductibles for some of the cheaper plans are as high as $15,000.

        Oh, yeah, this is gonna be lovely.

        Mal

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • JayJay says:

        Hey Susie, my healthcare just went down to $200 a month–I am so thrilled with ACA…Thank you, dems!!
        But Carol, what do you pay if Jonita gets sick??
        Huh?? What chu mean??
        What is your deductible??
        Oh, that is $10,000.
        Well, how many doc visits would you and Jonita, Marcus, Molly, and Elmo have to make to get that deductible?
        Oh, let’s see, at $70 a visit?? About 142. Wait a minute; we don’t go to the doctor every week!!
        Those greedy, POS dems…they screwed me!!
        Yep, Carol, don’t ever look a gift house in the mouth–you might just see the truth.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 1

    9. slingshot says:

      Go ahead and implement it all. In fact, give it to all the illegals too. Add to it the EBT and SNAP. Knock those 40 hr. jobs to 29 hrs.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1

    10. Shifty says:

      Thousands of folks have just lost their health insurance, with no credible way to sign up for a new plan. If they DO delay implementation, what happens to these folks??? Major screw job on a LOT of people. Does anyone else feel the tension in the rubber band??? We are so close to the absolute melt down we have all been talking about. Top that with the reduction in the SNAP (rubber band pun intended) benefits, massive debt increase, rising jobless claims, and you have the groundwork for a very, very unhappy populous. By the way, I am getting a Barnett BCX crossbow. That has no bearing on anything at all, just thought I would share. Hope Y’all are well!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 32 Thumb down 0

    11. InsanityISContagious says:

      At year end of 2014, if 6,000,000 middle-class working people couldn’t afford to fund their FrankenCare (too much for their pocketbook, but no subsidies), which is a a reasonable estimation by some, then 6,000,000 people x $95 per person (assuming that is the greater of the 2 amounts of $95/per person or 1% of family income) = The IRS collects a MINIMUM of $570 Million Dollars in FrankenCare penalties for year 2014.

      If those same people cannot still purchase FrankenCare by 2016 = The IRS collects a MINIMUM of $4 Billion 170 Million Dollars in penalties for year 2016.

      Not a bad haul by any thief’s definition.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 34 Thumb down 1

      • figment says:

        i doubt they are going to wait to collect the penalty. i mean tax.

        they will just seize bank accounts.

        ask those in Cyprus, Russia wants to or already has seized pensions – temporarily of course,
        Poland too.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1

      • JayJay says:

        Hold on there pa’dner:
        If those same 6,000,000 had insurance at $500 a month(and that is a low estimate), and paid all their doc and ER visits because their deductible was $10,000(which means an even greater out-pay–still a nice haul to the insurance companies/govt/IRS or whoever the hell gets it.

        $36,000,000,000…gee, that’s 36 billion and no one filed a claim!!!

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

        • Merree says:

          Now you can see how the insurance companies are making out. They get their monthly payments but, with the large deductibles, they do not have to pay out very much money. What a haul!

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    12. wrong says:

      No Thank You. The guberment can shove their bull shit back up their butts. I agree with the old guy. I might consider it if all the crooks in washington had to do the same thing. I know that will never happen so I’m safe.

      I’m thinking it’s going to be a long winter.

      Be safe.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 1

    13. RickInOregon says:

      My wife was working and her job provided our insurance, she was recently laid off. Currently we have no insurance but we are shopping around. I plan on having my business provide the insurance and then write it off, that is if we can find something that we can afford. Another 1300.00 a month taken out of my business is a pretty tough hit. For what the Democrats have done, I will never forgive for forget. For what the republicans have let the democrats get away with, I will never forgive and forget. I hope that obamacare fails miserably and that enough people get pissed that the body politics gets an enema.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 39 Thumb down 0

      • Kulafarmer says:

        I hope their plane crashes on the way to florida today,
        I would call that a start if even 2/3 of the congress gets dusted

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1

        • So they are flying to Florida today, tomorrow must be the day that the geniuses at Fukashima are removing the rods by hand.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

        • Them Guys says:

          Wow:Look at how long ago folks complained of the Repubs haveing zero Backbone to stand against lib progressive dems!…At Least since 1897!!! This could have been written Today in the same context, and be true!

          FROM:By Attorney Michael Peroutka
          October 23, 2013
          NewsWithViews dot com

          Isn’t this the conservative party that always folds its cards when the liberals/progressives/socialists go “all in”?

          In fact, what has this party ever conserved, other than the liberal victories of it’s supposed adversary?

          And is this anything new under the sun?

          It might be instructive to examine what Robert Lewis Dabney wrote about these folks way back in 1897:

          This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn.
          ——————————————————-
          Michael Peroutka’s words below:

          American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. …Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth.

          Anyone, including those who identify with the “Tea Party”, who loves America and desires real reform, would do well to disengage themselves from the Republican Party and their brand of worthless, Godless, unprincipled conservatism.

          Because with these folks, failure is never a surprise.

          Michael Anthony Peroutka Esq. is a former Presidential candidate and co-founder of Institute on the Constitution (IOTC) an educational outreach of his law firm that presents the founders “American View” of law and government. IOTC has produced thousands of graduates in all 50 states with a full understanding of the Biblical principles on which those founding documents are based.

          I never knew that the repubs acted the Same as far back as 1897!!..Repubs have Plenty of experience in Failures to Stand strong, against lib dem kommie progressives. Over 115 yrs at minimum!..Repubs=the Week Knee’s flops!

          This Guys is correct as I recall that All the repubs talked of was to get folks to elect GW Bush and total house & Senate control by repubs. Repubs back then kept saying if Only They get the chance! and We have not had total prez+house+senate control for over 63 yrs!

          But if folks will just trust repubs, we Promice to deal with and FIX many Bad antign laws(failed to do so!) Fix Bad abortion laws!(failed again!), Deal with Faggot marriage issues!(failures!) etc etc ET AL.

          Well repubs Had at least 6 full yrs of full total control as rtequested. Yet the entire time the full number of bad gun laws repealed etc etc equals..ZERO!!

          All they did was take us into Two major Wars, that are still ongoing, and make Many Junket-Trips to Bang their Heads against that Israeli Wailing wall of SHAME!

          Oh yeah and create the beginings of the American Gestapo Police State!..And Dems are 10 times Worse!!!!!

          Maybe hobammycare will cause every ghetto city nationwide to errupt in riots, lootings, etc. Then we probobly will see totally Fed Up “others” take matters into their own hands. If that happens, nobody will need worry of violating ANY shooting laws. The us const declares that it is the job of the Citizen Militia, to Enforse laws, Halt insurections(monky riots etc) and REPEL Invasions!(Illeagle mex’s across our border etc).

          It will be a 100% legit and us const leagle enterprise of actions deemed as it states in the 2nd ammendt. as, “Nesessary to the Security” of a Free State!

          Nowheres else but the 2nd amendt are the Words: Nesessary and Security written. Nothing else is said to be Nesessary to Security BUT..OUR FIREARMS!

          We will need a slogan..something like “Look Out Niggers! Because the Clans gotten Bigger!”(just jokeing of course!)

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 8

        • Anonymous says:

          Except Obungle would step in an appoint replacements until elections could be called. As part of helping to handle the “national emergency” losing so many “public servants” {heavy sarcasm} would cause!!!!

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

      • John W. says:

        This mess is just getting going and already they are working on amnesty. The plan is just keep hitting us with program after program and overwhelm the system. If we last ten more months it will be a miracle.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

      • lastmanstanding says:

        Rick, check into PacificSource…see my reply to Ugly above.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    14. Ugly says:

      Look at the ACA this way.

      Today, medicare and medicade and SSI, plus others, have expenses that are over $1T annually. Those systems are in the red (to dems, by ‘red’ I mean losing money ie broke).

      Thus ACA will have to rake in at least $1.5T per year to at least break even (to dems, by ‘break even’ I mean not losing money).

      In USA, there are 80 million families that pay the bulk of 95% taxes.

      Thus, ($1.5T/80 mill taxpayers) = $18,750 per family per year.

      Do their math. There is no way they can come up with $1.5T or $2T annually with 80 million familys paying only $600 per month.

      (80 mill x $600/mo x 12 mo) = $576 Billion.

      That is far short of today’s healthcare costs.

      So where does the money come from? Very simple. It will be a redistribution of wealth. Lets say Ugly’s SSN payment is $3300 per month. Not so fast, it will be $3300 – ACA fees = $800 per month.

      Or, say you own home and have $200,000 equity. Then comes the heart attack and it cost $450,000. So you lose home equity plus you still owe $250,000. Thanks to ACA they pay $150,000 but you still owe $100,000. Damn, there goes your life insurance policy.

      Until they can explain what is in that 1,000 pages of ACA, there is no reason to sign up and take the chance.

      Just my opinion.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 0

      • Shifty says:

        They are already scheming. I read that there will potentially be a new tax, which will raise 1 trillion over the next ten years. So, more taxation. Feels good, does it not?

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0

    15. wrong says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjIc3qLPds

      Judge Roy Bean for President!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

    16. lena says:

      IMO, the SHTF in 2015 !

      the news has to get out that its going to be several thousands of dollars that most dont have, so everyone that can just goes without insurance and its going to take a while for that to make a direct hit on govt revenues.

      combine that with the employer delay until 2015 and 2015 is likely to be instant depression in the US which spreads worldwide as without the US consumer, the world is in deep trouble immediately.

      we’ll know the the world is supposed to look like about a year after that, the dust should be settled by then if some countries dont kick off WW3 to distract or take assets of others.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

      • Them Guys says:

        Lena: don’t kid yourself. The main reason for NAFTA and all similar that followed, and still more to come like nafta, the top Two main reasons for it all was to, Devestate the middle class white americans down to 3rd or even 4th world status.

        And the number Two major reason for NAFTA etc, was to send OUR Factorys, machinery, Jobs, job-trainings, to China and India and Mexico and Africa. Which when Combind into an Entire New work force of “Spenders” like the white usa middle class Used to be, will give the banksters and major global Corp’s aprox. 13-new buying spenders with Cash from good jobs, for every 1-thats every ONE-former white, and some black, middle class former spenders.

        Once its all a done deal, for every usa buyer of Those nations goods,that they Lose, it will be Offset, by the GAIN of 13 New buyers!

        Nobody else will collapse if the usa does. In Fact, those other nations and Corps etc shall gain so many more of the former 3rd worlders and new middle class “Replacements” their profit margins will Soar!

        Because unlike americans, even welfare queens in ghettos like detroit, who have not only every possible item one can buy, but Most have Several of Each!

        Those former 3rd world several Billion folks have not even a single Toothbrush!..Every possible item one can Buy is much needed by those new replacements in other nations. It does seem they plan to collapse the usa and destroy mainly whites. But no other nations, or very few others, need to collapse. And none will after no longer needing usa buyers eh.(maybe european white nations collapse too(?)

        ps: unlike most doomers and gloomers who parrot constant collapse worldwide etc…I have ZERO Gold, silver, or other survival items for sale. I have no other agendas etc either besides the truth, facts, and common sense in my thinking of the issues at hand.

        So far I have not yet read or heard and of the alex or celente crowd of gloom mention those 13 new buyers that replace every single usa spender. If they include such in Their gloom predictions, I think their end results would also differ from their usual doom predictions.

        It may just be America thats planned to be collapsed. You cannot collapse the african sudan or zimbawbwee etc right?…Only folks that Have stuff can collapse and notice it. Picture the avg afrcians IN africa being told, “Hey tomorrow all money stops nationwide in africa”

        Nobody there Has any money! whats to collapse?!

        America Has alot to collapse, and no longer has barly any manufaturing factors left for any “Re-Build”. The other nations has all our factorys and good jobs. It Is the usa headed for disaster.(and very likly european white folks nations too).

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 5

        • Most of the so called middle class jobs say 40 to 100 thousand + benefits. Well out of 25 million jobs in that category 17 million of them are state local federal goverment jobs. LOL this is surely going to end well

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

        • Miss Dee Dee says:

          Them Guys
          – Thanks for the views. They give me a push to delve into your economic reasoning.
          Thank You,
          Miss Dee Dee

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2

        • JayJay says:

          If the middle-class allow this ACA mess to rule, pretty soon the ‘moochers’ on welfare, SNAP, govt. housing assistance, free lunch and breakfast programs, free healthcare, free daycare, free phones, low-interest loans for cars, etc. and
          other shit they get, will be laughing at the lost middle-class asking, “why don’t they just quit busting their asses working and live like us??”
          Be careful what you wish for moochers.
          Go Galt.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

          • MommaKathy says:

            My take is this… nothing is really free. When the “man” has finished with the ones who sold their souls for a cell phone, they will most likely be sent off to a happy camp somewhere on a working vacation. Then, they will wake up and realize what they have done. He has no more use for them than he did Oprah after she helped him win his first election.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    17. braveheart says:

      OK, folks, just give it time, and the entire Obamacare system will collapse under its own weight. Even the mad scientist has been shocked at what kind of monster he created, but don’t expect him to admit to it. They can’t even have healthcare.gov working properly so people can sign up online. Very few have signed up so far and other people who were interested, once they found out it would cost them OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS changed their minds about it. Back in the Clintons’ first term when Hillary and Co. were pushing for the “National Healthcare Plan”, I decided right then, no govt.-controlled healthcare for me EVER. It was prevented back then only after one helluva fight. My decision has not and will not change, regardless. Obamacare appears to be headed for total failure. they can’t even get the plane off the ground. braveheart

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 1

    18. Well I just got my nasty letter yesterday for the insurance company. Starting 1/1/14 my rate is going up. Thank you BO for taking GREAT care of us.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    19. Indy Colts says:

      Obummercare does benefit the people that are not able to get insurance. Like people with pre-existing conditions. But I believe we could have worked on a plan for those people instead of us all paying for those select few.

      Lets face facts here. The gobberment stands to make 10-20 trillion dollars in the next 10-15 years taking over healthcare. It also gives them a lot more control and info on people than ever before. I don’t fear evil because I’m on a team that always will defeat it’s nasty grasp.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

      • Kulafarmer says:

        It wouldnt be proper socialism if the collective didnt pay for it,
        I am removing myself from the collective even if i am one who could benefit.
        Its not a benefit if its forced with threat of fines.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0

        • braveheart says:

          Kulafarmer, it won’t benefit anyone aged 50 or over. I’m not signing up for it, period! As Margaret Thatcher once said, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” The feds are running out of OUR money for EVERYTHING. Sorry to off topic for a second but important: Watch out for Nov. 1 when EBTs will be affected. One report going around is that their benefits will be reduced by 5% and another report ALLEGEDLY from USDA has the states cutting off ALL benefits on EBT until further notice. I’m getting more food and water between now and Nov. 1. Don’t be inside of ANY grocery store on Nov.1 if you can avoid it. braveheart

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 2

      • JayJay says:

        Indy–you are right–pre-existing can NOT be denied insurance, but where does it say the premiums will be reasonable or affordable?
        It doesn’t.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

    20. The big squeeze is on.
      Banks suck fees from depositors and pay them 0% interest.
      Obamacare will suck premium money or penalty money from people.
      A universal internet sales tax will probably be passed, allowing leeches from state, county, and cities to tax internet sales, sucking more money from buyers.
      The annual holiday gas price drop (to help retailers sell more junk) will evaporate after Jan 2014, sucking money from anyone who uses gas.
      Since a new real estate bubble has been blown by the Fed, property taxes are going up, sucking more money from those that own property.
      It’s a giant sucking sound, and it should effectively lower the standard of living for the little people.
      Wall Street however, is having a banner year and bonuses will be fat for the elites.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    21. I wonder if it will start a war, I wonder when it will start.

      I don’t know about you, but im getting sick and tired of paying to support other people other then my own family.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 46 Thumb down 0

      • Gonetoolong says:

        Come on now, it takes a village to raise an idiot. My favorite part is that Obama has proudly plastered his name all over this failed piece of shit. So very fitting and predictable. This is one incompetent mo fo unless……wait a minute, maybe he s TRYING to destroy America?

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

    22. Satori says:

      Dr. Arjun Srinivasan: We’ve Reached “The End of Antibiotics, Period”

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/dr-arjun-srinivasan-weve-reached-the-end-of-antibiotics-period/

      oh look
      “food stamps” for corporations

      Afghanistan: U.S. Bought Diesel Fuel for $500 Per Gallon

      http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=37501

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    23. Satori says:

      Prepper Tip of the Day

      alkaline batteries lose their strength RAPIDLY
      in colder temps

      consider buying lithium batteries for much better
      results during the winter

      one way to get some extra life out of alkalines
      in colder temps
      is to keep them warm,put them in your pocket for awhile
      before placing them into your device

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 0

    24. Cameraman says:

      I’am so pissed off I can”t Even Comment!!!!!

      Semper Fi

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 27 Thumb down 0

    25. Bloodyfellow says:

      The phone number to the Obama Care Hotline is: 800-382-5968,…..the letters spell out 800-FUCK YOU
      I checked it out. It’s for real.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    26. Indy Colts says:

      I’m glad we still have this site because the gobberment pisses me off and the people around me are tired of me talking about the injustice that is occuring. I guess I’m a little sad the people I encounter give a crap less what’s going on. They just say; don’t get him started again. To the NWO’s credit; they have done a awsome job dumbing down the public. I’m still amazed how people don’t see whats going on. That’s why I’ve lost all faith of any resistance to the NWO takeover and figure most will turn in their guns.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 0

      • slingshot says:

        Indy Colts.

        I get the same treatment. I am also wound up tighter than a Swiss Watch. They have intruded upon almost every aspect of my life. I did not ask for this shit. There is nothing to do but wait for a collapse and by George, all those goody two shoes and tree huggers better give me a wide berth when it goes down.
        I figure that I have given you enough warning and will not accept your excuses for your ineptitude to prepare and your ridicule of most thoughtful people. I will know you by what you say and how you act and what knowledge you have obtained. Do you extend your hand to help or mostly to take. To those readers who browse to heckle us here. Your future depends on what you do now and that may be the difference of receiving a helping hand or the end of a rifle butt. You have been Fore Warned!
        Sorry Indy but I am pissed off.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 0

        • Kulafarmer says:

          I wouldnt take the chance on damaging my rifle, theyll just get a .308 SMK punching their space at 2700 FPS +/-

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

        • Them Guys says:

          Slingshot: thats exactly how I envision things comming. I think america will see the day come when same as in iraq etc or syria today, fed up folks are going to say the hell with it and hell with cops or laws.

          They will simply begin a solid much needed Snout-Smacking event nationwide. What begins with a rifle butt to teir faces, will fast turn into a bullet.

          Reg Normal folks nationwide have been begging govnt and liberals and ghetto rats all to just please Leave us alone! and We do not want ANY troubles.

          While the entire past 50+ yrs we have been totally ignored, and the more we say leave us alone we desire zero trouble or fights, the more and Harder liberals, blacks, and fed govnt has pushed and pushed and pushed Us folks. Like the typical Bully.

          And same as a typical Bully gets it, one day Fed Up american patriots are going to simply Expolde with Payback!

          When it happens I will not be suprized if we see at least 70% or more of folks in the usa Approve! maybe even Join in to assist!

          The first time I turn on a TV some afternoon day, and its a ALERT! Breaking News alert! Just 10 minits ago somewheres in americas Heartlands, 200 Fed Up white folks went Bezerk and simply exited vehicles and houses to Open Fire at a Yooots group(gang) of little Trayvon monkys due to the trayvons has 60 members beating faces of white drivers to a bloody Pulp!…Stay Tuned so far deaths of that 60 trayvons is at least 55 so far! there has been a slight Lull in the shooting as police say whiteys are RE loading!

          Anything remotely close to that scenario will usher in the worst ass kicking gangbanger blacks and typical tree hugger liberals has ever imagianed possible.

          Disclaimer: Yes I fully Agree with many folks who say “We Need all types Blacks, Whiteys, Mexicans ET AL to Join as One etc etc”…HOWEVER: After 43 yrs of life in sunny wonderfull detroit, totally Surrounded by african blacks of the general typical sort, I have concluded due to That experience along with other Factors present today, and for a long time now, that Can’t we all just get along ideals are no more than a Pipe Dream at best. Its just not going to happen that way. If even 5-to-10% usa blacks Join forces with the white majority, we will be very lucky.

          Again, I am All For it..Just aint seeing that at all.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 2

        • Gonetoolong says:

          I reckon one day some of these sons a bitches will be wanting our bullets to help them out in some form or fashion. Good luck with that, eat shit sheep.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • Kulafarmer says:

        I get much of the same, I know im not crazy, when i say that is exactly what TPTB are counting on, ( the apathetic ignorance of the masses) i get dismissed as a conspiracy theorist, now mind you i pretty much stick to pointing out the obvious and voicing my observations and concerns, dont get into 9-11 crap or mind control or many of the other true conspiracy theorist stuff, just dont believe TPTB are quite that sharp, but to be pointing out obvious stuff and family and friends just roll their eyes,
        so fine,,,
        When something goes down im going to just sit back and roll my eyes and reiterate some of the lines ive gotten over the past year and a half and let them all freak out. I will do nothing, crank the tunes ony ipod and let em freak,
        So you are in good like minded company, not all of us are over the top conspiracy nuts, but there is a bunch of crap going on that should raise red flags for everyone, real stuff, not bullshit but real questionable issues.
        Oh well, let the sheeple flock!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

        • wildman says:

          Kula Im with ya. the people i said somethin to looked at me if i was growin a third eye before now they ask me what i think. the masses are wakin up but not as fast as needed. I was down at there we got what you want store here in hicksville an ol george asked me if i was hearin about bammy care . He said if it comes to a shootin war he was ready so thats a good thing . Well it time for a bigg fatty an let the good times roll wildman out

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

        • PA farmer says:

          I’m down to Telemarketers, I even had a Census worker stop comming around cause she didnt wanta her hear it anymore. I cant understand why people dont wanta know whats going on around them. Their loss I feel sorry for them..Thank God for SHTF Community..

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Hows the weather way up there in PA

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

            • PA farmer says:

              Its been cold an ugly, I been runnig the gas stoves for a few weeks now. I feel we are gona have a long COLD winter, for the reason I didnt get enough hay made. we also had some Flurries today, I dont think were gona have a Indian summer this year. I went out to get a deer today, spent the hole day, seen two but couldnt get a clean shot. I havent hunted for years other than groundhogs. I can see I need to hone my hunting skills, but it wasnt a wasted day I know were their running now, I’ll have one tomorrow. start canning it for the inside pets.dog and a cat, and I will freeze a deer too.cant aford to stock pill store food for them.WE WILL NOT GO WITH OUT FOOD LIKE THE SHEEPLE.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    27. Everyone needs to change their deductions to EXEMPT, give the finger to the gubment

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    28. Shifty says:

      When TSHTF, I think I will REALLY miss Chick-Fil-A.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0

    29. Indy Colts says:

      Don’t you get tired of everyone that you discuss prepping with saying.. I’ll just come to your house. My response usually convinces them that won’t be a healthy option for them. BTW these are people they haven’t a clue where I live.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

      • Shifty says:

        That is why it is probably not the best idea to discuss it.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

        • Walt Kowalski says:

          I don’t discuss prepping with anyone anymore.

          The way I see it, if they are so stupid that they can’t see what’s happening and see the need to prep for themselves, then they deserve what’s going be coming at them.

          Trying to convince someone that they need to prep, when they can see all that’s going on around them, is just futile.

          Don’t waste the time and energy…..and don’t blow your opsec.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

          • Kulafarmer says:

            I am going that way as of this moment, my neighbors know the score, and my GF but beyond that its a big fat surface chat only.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

            • Them Guys says:

              You guys are Lucky, if its only been a year or couple yrs that folks think You are crazy!…I can Honestly state that I have been trying to alert folks, family and friends and even total Strangers I likly shall never see again, for over 40-yrs! When I say Strangers, I mean not just one or two folks at a time…But I mean sometimes, as many as 200+ maybe 300+ strangers gathered at the major local Park near Detroit. An 18 Mile Long Park where all the Bikers, dopers, hippies, family picnic-ers etc went to, every nice day it didn’t rain or snow. I just began a conversation with somebody, and at times it Morphed into a couple hundred folks gathering to listen to what I spoke about. But end resluts always the same. Lucky if a few took it serious. Then I’d ride off on my Harly bike to speak elsewheres. Used to be as if I wasn’t able to control it kinda. Even if I tried to NOT say a Thing at all, I’d last 10 minits, and begin talking of future events etc and prepping for disasters etc.

              I am Not compareing myself to the real true biblical prophets, nor am I bragging, but I have consistantly told them all many times every facet and every detail we see happening now today.

              Since 40 yrs ago I told them: You are going to see Phones you can View person on other end and visa versa. See Computers get way smaller(back then computers took up entire large floors in a buildg, with reel to reel tapes etc none existed in a home yet or only a small few homes).

              And that the fed govnt is going to Use such things along with Satalites in outer space to SPY,Listen to, and Observe people way worse that Orwells book, 1984 ever dreamed of!

              I said you will see some type computer “part”(word chip not then invented yet) made so Tiny it will be Implanted or injected into the Hand or Forehaed like the biblical 666 Mark number, and Cashless world society. That the UN is an Ungodly, Evil Entity designed to force us all into a global NWO. And Many more issues.

              Well today even when I talk to all them folks and I ask “Do you recall the stuff I warned of 40 yrs ago?” They ALL say “oh Yeah cause you never would shut up on them things!”

              Then when I ask “Do you think maybe You should say Gee You(me) were right on every issue you ever spoke of, them guys”….So far only TWO guys I have known since age of 16-18 yrs old has Ever admited I was as correct as John the Revelator in the bible.

              Worse yet was when theyd back Then ask me where do you get these ideas from, them guys?..Well untill aprox 18 yrs ago I Never read Anything besides the Bible, other than local daily detroit newspapers and local tv news etc. So…I told them all that when I read what the Prohhecys in the Bible and especially Revelation says, and then in my Mind I question, How? Why? What?…The answers just start to Flood into my head faster than I can remember or write it down. I can See it like a full color Movie playing inside my head or mind.

              Well That did it! Once I said I read the Bible alot, and get my answers from the Holy Spirit etc…Everybody, family and friends alike thought I was certified crazed and just plain nutty as a fruitcake.

              I halted warnings to most others about 10 yrs ago due to that rejection. It is downright depressing and makes me think america is done for. Now I Only speak out on preps and prophetic stuff like this After I acertain positivly that the other folks either already are wized up, or are truely seeking truth since they asked me for some facts or whatever. That don’t occure often no longer.

              Sometimes I feel if there is some Listing or numbered list of Hermits in usa?…I Must register at least in the Top Ten hermits!…I make the Maytag Rpairman look like a Very Popular Party animal!

              I just do Not Care anymore period. I mean yes I do care for americas future etc and my own. But I cannot do any more than awaken folks basically. I guess My personal talent or “gift” from the Lord has been like the bible says are gifts of the holy spirit, and I recieved prophecy as my gift. Only today that gift for prophecy is more like to Understand whats written, not to predict events like the Old test prophets were able to do.

              The need today is for folks who can interpret and understand How or whats going down that coincides with those olden days prophets predictions. Thats what I believe is todays Modern day “gift” of prophecy for christians, thats listed with several other gifts christians recieve from Gods holy spirit etc.

              It sure aint doing much good for Other folks though it seems. Just keep reminding Yourselves that “many are Called, yet FEW are Chozen” and We do not know in advance which are the ones so all we can do is continue at least somewhat and never be quitters totally. Thats all that works to keep be from exploding on them assholes and idiots! One would think that after 40 yrs and ALL I told them Has happened as I said it almost word for word acuracy, that would at least earn me a “Gee you Was right after all, them guys!”…No such luck. oh well it could be worse eh!

              Christ said Everyone who belongs to Him, is going to suffer and be persecuted(more proof of No pre-trb rapture) for belief in Christ same as He was hated and Murdered for His speaking of Truths. If being rejected and at times feeling kinda depressed at that is the suffering we deal with?…It is Far worse for christians in Other nations eh. I do Pitty any Fools that decide I need suffer more by their hands! They Will go down with Me!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 1

          • Indy Colts says:

            The people I’m speaking of would agree my house wouldn’t be an option to get anything. I just work with people with small children and I tell them to atleast get some water and canned goods. I don’t discuss TEOTWAWK just if we have another round of tornadoes and we loss power.

            Last March our house have over 5k in hail damage and needed a new roof and siding. The town about 5 miles north was almost completely blown away. I’ve been through many tornadoes in this area so I figure thats a good way to discuss prepping with zombies…. But it doesn’t help so my lips are shut going forward.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

            • Shifty says:

              Hey, you tried. Kudos for that. I have only discussed my preps with my fiancée, with the intention of teaching her how to use much of the things that we will eventually share. Water filtration, handheld HAM, generator, firearms, etc.. I have SUGGESTED that family members follow suit, and I left it at that. People make their own choices. I would be more than happy if I NEVER have to filter water, cook freeze dried food indoors, or send someone to their maker. However, I will be well prepared to meet those challenges, should they arise. Side note – I DID insinuate that the wedding was a no go if she blabbed about our preps to friends. Haaaa. We shall see.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

              • Indy Colts says:

                @shifty

                She has to be a keeper if she didn’t argue about that demand. Its nice to have a classy, useful women to help us along in life.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

                • Shifty says:

                  Haaaa…she is! I was joking, of course, about the Prepping Prenup. What amazes me is that she supports the endeavor 100%. That, in itself, is rare.

                  People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • braveheart says:

        Indy Colts, I’m with you on that. if they come to my house trying to turn it into a “store”, they’ll encounter the business end of “Bertha” and she’ll be locked and loaded with 00 buck. braveheart

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • mallardhen says:

        Unfortunately my daughter knows where I live, I have talked until I’m blue in the face to her aabout getting it together and her usual answer is “we’ll just come to Grandma’s. GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr children how can you love them and hate them all at once.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

      • lastmanstanding says:

        Not many know what I am up to and it won’t be healthy for anyone that miraculously makes it to my place.

        Today it even got a bit more unhealthy…Vortex Ranger 1000…I’ve always been pretty good at estimating distances.

        This year has shown that there is now more on the line than ever before.

        someone told me today that a family member was in Germany during WW2. They escaped the fascism only to see it happening again in there lifetime.

        only they said that it is far worse than the last time.

        “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

        Stand with God and together with him send satan and his bastards back to hell once and for all.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    30. Satori says:

      *****H7N9 UPDATE*****

      Chinese man hospitalized with severe H7N9 flu

      http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/10/chinese-man-hospitalized-severe-h7n9-flu

      “The man’s infection raises the global number of H7N9 infections to 136, which includes 45 deaths. The August case was in a 51-year-old woman who works with poultry and was confirmed as Guangdong province’s first H7N9 infection.”

      *****MERS CoV UPDATE*****

      MERS Cases and Deaths,
      April 2012 – Present

      Current as of October 24, 2013, 9:00 AM EDTCountries Cases (Deaths)
      France 2 (1)
      Italy 1 (0)
      Jordan 2 (2)
      Qatar 6 (3)
      Saudi Arabia 121 (51)
      Tunisia 3 (1)
      United Kingdom (UK) 3 (2)
      United Arab Emirates (UAE) 6 (2)
      Total 144 (62)

      still a VERY high fatality rate
      62 out of 144 cases

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    31. Satori says:

      heh heh heh

      I know you kids will just love this !

      Financier George Soros backs Hillary Clinton for U.S. president

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-usa-clinton-soros-idUSBRE99N0UW20131024

      I won’t take the red thumbs personally !

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • Tactical says:

        LOL. Is it me or others noticed the same…Hillary and Georgy are looking very similar these days. As we get closer to 2016, expect Benghazi Bitch to have a sudden discovery of her ancestors to be all jews.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

    32. This is why “Resistance is anything but futile”…add your resistance to the others by obviscating and refusing to participate…this thing is unlawful and immoral and will fail…IF we resist!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

    33. The Lone Ranger says:

      Wednesday, November 7, 2012

      After John Leary received Communion, Jesus gave him a vision of someone opening a treasure chest and there was a scepter inside and not money. Jesus said,

      “My people, in the vision you are seeing the real worldly treasure of the one world people, and it is not gold, but total control with power as a dictator in the scepter for reigning over people. It is one thing to desire wealth and possessions of this world, but it is another thing to want to control people as robots with chips in the body. This is Satan’s desire to control people’s free will with chips and voices so they are his possessions. The real treasure for Satan is to control souls, and this is the path of your current government. Most people do not realize the significance of the mandatory chips in the body that is prompted by your current Health Care law. If this mandate is carried out, chips in the body will be hypnotizing people to worship the beast with this mark of the beast. I am warning all of your people not to take any chip in the body, and not to worship the Antichrist, or you will be condemning yourself to hell according to the Book of Revelation. Once your authorities demand chips in the body, this will be a time to call on Me, and I will have your guardian angel lead you to the protection of My nearest refuge. Those, who do not come to My refuges, are risking martyrdom for their faith in the government’s death camps all over your country. At My refuges the people will be protected throughout the tribulation until I come in victory over evil, and I will bring you into the My Era of Peace.”

      Thursday, December 6, 2012:

      Jesus said, “My people, this new Health Care Law threatens to cost your people billions of dollars, and even the possibility of forcing the mark of the beast on your citizens. If mandatory chips in the body are forced on your people, My faithful will need to come to My refuges instead of taking a chip in the body. Such chips could control your free will with voices, and you should not accept any chip in the body, even if they threaten to kill you. This law is against your Constitution in many respects, and if people do not fight it, then your government is lost. Pray that people do not take chips in the body, or they will be turned into robots to do the bidding of the evil ones.”

      Thursday, September 19, 2013

      After receiving Communion, Mr. Leary “could see many people killed in cold blood by a man with a shotgun. Jesus said,

      “My people, you have seen an analysis of why this serviceman killed these people without any apparent reason. There was a mention that he was hearing voices which was the exact same thing that happened to Tim McVey when he killed people in Oklahoma. There is a technology of placing chips in people so they could be controlled to kill people without even knowing what they were doing. The coming mandatory chips in the body from your Health Care Law can also take over your free will, and you would be like robots. Do not take any chip in the body under any circumstances. The one world people can use people with chips to kill others for their agenda of taking guns away from your people. Beware of such caused killings that are part of a terrorist plot to take over your country.”

      John Leary: “I could see some people who were curious why we would need refuges.” Jesus said,

      “My people, I am inspiring faithful souls to set up refuges to protect the people from the evil ones who want to kill all of My believers. You will be seeing a time of tribulation under the Antichrist, and you do not want to look at his eyes because he could cause you to worship him. My angels will defend you from the evil ones with an invisible shield. My angels at My refuges are powerful, and they will be given authority to kill any evil people, or remove any demons that try to harm you. Trust in Me that My refuges will be your safe havens throughout the whole tribulation time.”

      from: http://www.johnleary.com

      Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 2 Thumb down 7

      • PA farmer says:

        The Lone Ranger,If you read Ky moms comment. about the teacher having to get a flu shot to get health Ins. This is just Grooming the sheep for the implant, welfearers,no chip no food,Illegal aliens, no chip you go back to were ever you came,sheep, no chip no healthcare.. I will NOT comply with any gov healthcare, and I asure you there isnt enough people to hold me down to take the mark of the beast. At that point the Lord will give me the ok to force my hand.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

    34. slingshot says:

      Is it possible to teach an irresponsible nation, to be responsible again?

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

      • maybe,
        especially if we get irresponsible government out of our way, and have them stop showing the irresponsible ones how to become less and less responsible for their own lot in life

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

      • Shifty says:

        Those sorts of lessons can only be learned through experience. It will be a VERY hard lesson to learn.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • Slick One says:

        Slingshot Usually when a nation opens its treasury doors to the public,the only thing that will close those doors is gunpowder.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    35. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Obamacare Service. Now THAT’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

      • I think that has more to do with Stud Service
        than anything to do with healthcare, my friend.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

        • Unreconstructed Southron says:

          Oh.

          Ooooooooooooooooooh!

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

          • Uh oh…you know “unreconstructed” everytime I see your name I wanna breakout in song…perhaps you know the words…”oohhhh, Im a good ole rebel… now that’s just what I am…and for this obamanation I do not give a damn…Ill gladly fight against it, I know fer sure we’ll win…I wont be reconstructed and I do not give a damn…I wont be reconstructed and I do not give a damn”…old confederate camp song with a few small libertys on my part…let barryo put that in his crackpipe and smoke it eh…have a good one! :)

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    36. aljamo says:

      The private healthcare business will only drive prices higher. These are the ministers of death. The country needs to cut all of the middlemen who make obscene profits from sick people, while actually not providing healthcare. This is the land of predatory capitalism. A single payer system will lower prices and provide all citizens healthcare, income taxes will pay the bill. Cut the military overkill spending and American taxes are more than enough to provide healthcare for all. The majority support this approach but are suppressed and ignored by huge industry lobbying. They won’t do what is logical to the majority.

      Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 6

    37. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

      Another reason Why our Country is Going Down The Drain

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    38. incognito says:

      Keen analysis and an eye opener for sure.

      If you are going to participate search The Health Plan Information Spreadsheet or you’ll likely get ripped off because everything that is available is not being shown. Download this file at healthcare.gov for ALL of the available plans.

      https://www.healthcare.gov/downloads/health-plan-information-download.xlsx

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    39. Sgt. Dale says:

      I would help any one that ask. But when you tell me that I have to keep helping Zombies and Leaches that just pisses me off.

      This health care crap is going to kill the economy. I’m not signing up SCREW them!!!
      Let the FRIGGING thing crash its the only way to fix this mess.

      Please folks prepare. I don’t want to see you suffer.
      Help you family, and friends.

      The SWHTF after Nov. 1St. when the Feds cut the SNAP/food stamps by around $35.00. I’m hearing on the news, and you tube that the Zombies and Leaches are going to burn the cities down, if they don’t get the $35.00. So be it. Just don’t bring it to my neighborhood. You will get to meet JESUS!!!

      AIM SMALL MISS SMALL
      Sgt.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0

      • wildman says:

        Sgt Dale you have hit the nail on the head as usual. i aint helpin the zombies too far just far enough away from here so we can get back to business. You are very right aim really small , miss really small. I like to call em surgical shootin , thats when you can put the bullet in all four corners of the bullseye. NOW THATS SHOOTIN wildman out

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • Them Guys says:

        Sgt. Dale: Its a smaller or lesser cut for EBT. I know a person who has EBT card, they were recieving $107-per month, for one adult. They just got the Oct 21st ebt reload with that new deduction ammount. Their New amount per month has only gone down to $101. So they now get only $6 Less than prior and it began in month of October.

        Their ebt renews every 21st of the month. I think other folks gets ebt renewd at seveal different dates per month. It likly depends on their last name “letter” or their soc sec last digits.

        $6 probobly seems like alot to a true needy person. But its really not very large of a decrease I think. You can’t buy much food for $6 per month either way right.

        Just remember that Not everybody on EBT is a user like a lifelong multi generational ghetto bitch with ten childrenzez….Many folks today have to use ebt cards thru NO fault of their own due to offshored jobs etc.

        I just do not see them types as enemys. Especially when compared to global Corp’s like GE eletric co. They paid ZERO Fed Taxes for several yrs now…Plus GE last year got a fed credit of $6-Billion CASH, and also GE got $200-Billion in the orig Bail Outs Cash!!! to create Jobs in China! while hobaammy apointed head of GE as the JOB CZAR!

        While the CEO’s and directors etc et al paid themselves Massive Huge Raises and Bonus cash. That GE head CEO that retired, and is on Fox tv and MSNBC daytime stock channel tv often(cant recall his name? Jack welch perhaps?) he got somewheres around $400-Million retirement deal, Plus that much again in GE stocks if I recall it.

        Multiply That with a few hundred Other Global huge corps and some smaller corps probobly, and ADD to that with close to every nation on earth gets Huge Cash from usa fed govnt state dept cash payouts. Israel gets the most cash of all, even though they have only 6.5 million jewish folks lives there,plus a vast majority to Military/pentagon to Police the world and EBT card folks Pales in comparisions.

        Yet if you ever get on any fox or cnn tv news like hannity etc…Just You try saying “Gee america should STOP all funds to ALL other nations, Including Israel!”

        I promice you Hannity or gretta or orielly or wolf blitzer will first cry loudly that You are a filthy Nazi hater and antisemitic, then cut fast to commercials, then return with You Gone never again to be invited back!

        I hate freeloaders like some ebt users are. But If I was able to make decisions and had to choose from allow all current ebt even ghetto baby factory bitches, OR, CUT all other nations cash and cash to make wars that benifit only the Jewish State of Israel mainly?

        I’d say Keep all ebt as is and END cash to other nations and wars crap. Thats in the several Trillions per year spent that we get screwed for and by.

        Most nations long existed before america was discovered without cash assistance from usa or anyone else right. Why cant they do so again?…And israel has had since 1948 to get their shit together to Pay for a nation they so want to own. With vast majoirty wealthy folks and especially zionist banksters and crooked finestien types why cant jews Pay for their nation after 65 yrs now?

        If it comes down to it I rather see any true usa citizen even freeloaders get stuff or cash, than other nations or wars to benift them. 50 yrs ago americans were nationalistic big time. That worked very swell for usa folks. Other nations bennifited real swell by that also back then. Now Our peoples get screwed royally while freeks and whackos in every shithole nation on planet earth gets more and more. Thats just Wrong. And where are Those nations when usa gets a huge hurricane events etc?…Barly any assist the usa in such events while we do it for all others every disatter. See any change for better in HATI after usa handed over several Hundred Billions cash after last hati disaster?

        Nope! Zero Hati changes. Still a bunch of Voodoo wiches and stupid savages and monkys and the usa cash, all GONE!

        Just ONE years worth of every dollar spent on wars, foriegn aids, etc etc and we can rebuild every fuckin street, bridge, and whatever else needs rebuilds and still have money left over Unspent. That type Nationalisim is what I mean is good. Good for Us!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 6

      • Molly Pitcher says:

        Sarge, am not far from you and I see Zombie populations changing at the local ‘one stop shopping’ bi box store. Its coming sooner than we think.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    40. braveheart says:

      Howdy, Sarge. I’m with you all the way about Obamacare and the riots. BTW, here’s an article about that EBT crap: http://mobile.wnd.com/2013.10/obama-plotting-to-suspend-popular-handout/ If nothing happens in Nov., then Feb. is when “govt. shutdown” supposedly comes back. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. if you have any shopping to do soon, get it done before Nov. 1. I won’t be in any supermarket on that day. braveheart

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

      • gone under says:

        Too bad you didnt live near me. I shop at chinkmart on the first of every month for dog food, can goods and auto supplies. Very few EBT card sales. Then I go to the sporting store down the street and fondle the guns and buy a little fishing gear.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    41. Barn Cat says:

      The intent of obamacare is to collapse the economy. They’re working on the collapse on a variety of fronts: worldwide banking problems, derivatives, destroying the dollar and other fiat currencies, and obamacare. They’re not idiots or incompetent. They’re evil.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 1

      • The Old Coach says:

        I think it was Napoleon who said something like “Never ascribe hostile intent to any action that can be adequately explained by incompetence”. Of course he said it in French, but you get the drift.

        Of course the end results are the same. Collapsed economies, and the Four Horsemen.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    42. Southern Border says:

      We continue to prep here as much as we can afford to on a weekly basis here. There are so many that are so blind as to what’s coming down the pipe. That includes some of our own family members, have tried to talk to them about it & they think that we old folks have gone crazy so the heck with them they are on their own !!! As for obamacare I am one that has none & needs insurance but I will never sign up for that crap period !!!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    43. Satori says:

      oh Alex Jones is gonna love this

      Prominent Liberal Unearths Evidence of New World Order

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/prominent-liberal-unearths-evidence-of-new-world-order.html

      Conservatives such as Alex Jones have for many years gathered quotes from prominent world leaders about a “New World Order”

      Liberals have tended to write off this claim.

      But now prominent liberal blogger Matt Stoller – who is the top aid for progressive Congressman Alan Grayson – has unearthed fascinating evidence for a new world order of sorts.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    44. The Navy base in Millington, Tenn., was in lockdown Thursday afternoon after three National Guardsmen got into a fight nearby, and the argument led to gunfire.

      According to a U.S. military official, the men got into the altercation at the National Guard Armory in Millington and one pulled a small handgun. One guardsman was shot in the foot and the other in the leg, the official said.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    45. buttcrackofdoom says:

      insuring someone with pre-existing conditions is like insuring a car that’s already been wrecked….no?…..soooo it’s not REALLY insurance, now is it? this Barakalypse is gonna be EPIC, and it ain’t gonna wait til 2014….markets usually see in advance 6 to 9 months….this AINT priced into the market!!!! i think we sing the national anthem in this game before 2014,,,,,and oh, BTW….did they mention it’s gonna be a DOUBLE-HEADER? util then, PARTY LIKE IT’S 1933!

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    46. Kinda off the subject but in the spirit of self suffientcy I am sitting here whist the canner timer runs down…lots of pints of some of the best kraut on planet earth ;) ….cant beat the feeling of seeing all those jars full of good eatin and knowing that between my hard work and the good Lords rain/sunshine,I did that(Ya barry I did,ya sick freak!!)

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0

      • C Howard Fields says:

        I’ve never made any krout, would love to. I use krout for many things, like Stuffed Kielbasa. You care to share your recipe? Thanks for thinking about it.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

        • Sure quite simple…shred up your cabbage fairly fine then put a layer a couple inches thick in the bottom of your 5 gallon bucket…sprinkle good canning salt or sea salt(not iodized)about 2 tablespoons(you can vary salt a bit but too weak itll spoil and too strong itll take longer to cure) worth all over it then mix it in with your hand real good kinda squeezing the salt in as you go and mixing it throughout…pack it down a bit then add another layer…repeat the above till you are up to within 4-5 inches of the top…get a good plate…glass or ceramic…not metal and push it down into the brine forcing the kraut down a bit make sure you have a couple inches of brine covering the plate(brine recipe below)…then you need a weight of some kind…I use a mason jar full of water with a plastic lid on its side on top the plate…seen clean bricks and rocks used too…then you cover the can(cotton cloth tied on keeps bugs out) and set it in a cool area like a root cellar 50-60 degrees is best…after a few days you check for the fermentation(warning it will smell strong…this is normal) and if you see any white scum floating on it you simply scoop it off and then recover it and check it again in a couple days(anything growing in there besides the white scum means you probably don’t have enough salt or its way too warm and you probably lost the batch…best to try a small batch first and get the feel for it)…it takes about a month for it to get good…don’t be afraid to reach under the plate and sample a taste…its ready when you like its taste/texture… then can it at 5lbs for 20 minutes its good eating and good for you…many old cookbooks have the water bath method/times…I dont remember them as I use a canner nowadays…extra brine can be needed if you get low or if you need more when youre done packing it down in the bucket…about a heaping table spoon of salt to a pint makes a decent brine…when you cook it its best to rinse it a bit to remove some of the salt done this for years and its been a good method but there are others out there Im sure…this is the old fashioned fermented type…the best I think…hope you enjoy! :)

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    47. Ugly says:

      Peoples and Americans:

      I hate to ‘pit’ one side of folks versus another. But it is obvious that our Healthcare system is broke because too many people that pay nothing in are getting something out of it.

      That is all this ACA is. It is getting more out of others to pay for the same-ol-same-ol. That is, free health for welfare folks, illegals, etc. And very cheap healthcare for other workers in other systems.

      I am just guessing, but probably 60% of all healthcare expenses are probably done by those that cannot afford it and don’t pay into it.

      That is why I have posted in the past that the civil unrest in USA could be racially divided, but it also could be coming from the expression.

      The ‘Haves’ versus The ‘Have Nots’

      By that, I mean, when these services start to dwindle away, many folks are going to be angry not so much at the govt, but more so at the folks that worked and paid their taxes and bills. They will be at your front doorstep. They will be ‘picking’ on your kid at school if he is wearing newer clothing. They will want what you have and demand that the govt gets it and then redistributes it.

      You see?

      Just my opinion.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0

      • Them Guys says:

        Ugly: a few yr ago I read some fact sheet article on healthcare etc. Think it was Nunbers usa org maybe?

        They said of that 40 million “americans” with zero health care insurance, at least 30 million were Illeagles, mainly mexicans. And another article linked to it said that in LA county Kalif alone, out of the orig 86 Hosp’s with emergency room ability, 84 shut doors due to bankrupted By mexican illeagles. Over 450 Thousand anchor babies are born every year in the usa to Illeagle mex moms. That alone adds up to about $6 Billion if I recall it right! Plus 18 or more yrs free welfare for new baby and mommy.

        PLUS one of the if not The biggest promotors for hobammycare coverages was the 2200 usa catholic bishops org or council who are in charge of Over 600 usa Hospitals! They too treat illeagles etc free at emergency rooms and are going flat broke.

        Add it all together and its obvious that the number one main Goal of dem liberal party along with them 2200 bishops, was hombammycare mainly to beniit Illeagle mexicans, of which most offer zero gains to us or our nation. Most refuse to assimilate or speak Our english language. Many are Killing an avg of 25 usa citizens per DAY. about 12 by drunk drivers, the other 13 per day dead due to vicious violent attacks. 25 deaths per day by Illeagle mexicans!…Thats More dead than from iraq war per year!

        Hobammycare is for the benifit of mexican illeagles mainly and to gain votes for dem party period.

        If that happens with amnesty. Thats the end of america for whiteys for Certain. Blacks won’t fare too well either. There is no way we will not see a mass violent revolt and race wars soon.

        You cannot expect to ever Maintain a prosperous, civilized, advanced white nation america is so famous for being, by importing 50-100 Million 3rd wrorlders, and savage uncivilized persons, who refuse to even learn the proper language nor assimilate, and who have an Deeply Inbred Hatred of All america and white folks are about.

        After amnesty we are going to see another 50+ million hispanics the same types flood into the nation. Once they get citizenship their demands will escalte to a degree never yet seen even by blacks and their looter riots etc.

        Then we will see massive numbers, a majority probobly of the “new citizen savages” Revert Back to Mayan cannibal type savages. They prefere Machettees to firearms so thats one good thing for our side eh.

        But they are unique compared to negore savages. In that hispanics have the absolute worst and shortest fuzed mean sprited tempers on earth. It will all combine into a pure Deadly situation for true american citizens especially whites. We can never give up our guns if we even hope for a slim chance.

        I know it seems as if I am a racist or hate negroes or mexicans etc to some here. I do not hate any persons. I do hate what some do and how they act when uncivilized savages. If one tenth of what I wrote occures whites will need simply kill all savage and evil type folks, and not stop till all are gone period. We didnt cause it They did.

        I HATE Nothing worse or more than daily seeing what so many afrcians and especially illeagle mexican 3rd world slobs are doing to destroy MY nation and MY white race people. If that makes me racist or a hatemonger? So be it.

        I see Nothing worse than when a Young Beautifull White girl age 18-20 yrs old after she was Gang rapped, severaly gang beaten, stabbed 40-50 times, then stuffed into an abandoned car Trunk with gasoline poured all over her and the trunk and then Burned while barely still clinging to life after the horrific ordeal.

        If seeing photos on articles of such that happens on a regular weekly basis almost nationwide, if That does not cause you to hate whats been done by such savage beasts, and possess a real desire to grab your ar rifle, a large size pouch of xtra ammo. And simply begin to Hunt down and start shooting as many such animals as humanly possible before you get killed by the swat teams?..Then You are not a true patriotic whiteman or woman.

        I believe at Minimum america today has 50 Million or more folks that think and feel the exact same as I do on these issues. I already say prayers and ask to be forgiven for what I know I will likly do when its time to do it!

        The Only difficuly now is the…Waiting to cut Loose!

        People must awaken to the Facts that there are people out there that, Just…NEED…KILLING! That leaves only Us to get the job done, right. Good Now you all Know why You were born in This era and Time! Lock N’Load!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1

        • slingshot says:

          Them Guys.

          You must be sitting in a Quad 50 cal. with two 20mm. chain guns, blasting away.

          Show No Mercy!

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

        • Ugly says:

          Them Guys.

          Some things of what you say are true.

          But I know there are black families and mexican families that love this country as well. I just wish for once they would be outspoken against the democratic party and put pressure on them. If they don’t, they will suffer like all of us.

          Now on the gangs and illegals. No doubt that their ‘free’ healthcare has cost Americans a lot of money, and yes hospital wings have closed due to bankruptcy.

          Just imagine how much it costs each weekend in NY, Chicago, Detroit, and about 100 other cities, on a weekend of gang violence where 100s are killed and 100s are sent into the emergency rooms each and every weekend of the year. If the POTUS wants peace and progress in USA, this would be a good place to start.

          The Democrats have killed these cities. Detroit, a once proud MOTOWN and Motor City, has now gone bankrupt, as are many other cities. I think it was safer in Detroit in the 1960s than today.

          So, in reality, the ACA is about saving the hospitals for the near future of 100 million people that cannot pay a dime. Yes, many of those hospitals are Catholic and most Catholics vote for democrats, especially in the east. My dad is catholic and he thinks I should go back. He is a conservative though.

          Them Guys, lets face it. I do not see any way out of this but a financial collapse. Where it goes from there is anyones guess, but civil unrest will be one of those.

          Pray for this country. All American folks need it.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1

          • Them Guys says:

            UGLY: I agree on what you said of some are good solid american blacks and mexicans who love our nation as we do. I just think they number far lower than most white folks is all. And Yes I too wish they would finally speak out. But they don’t and probobly won’t especially against a Blackman prez. When 96% blacks votes for him due to his skin is black like theirs and then call whiteys a racist?

            I see way More racisism from NON whites lately.

            As per the massive cash paid out for illeagles. One of them Anti Illeagles orgs, Numbers USA I think it was, or it was Frosty Woolridge articles, tallyied up the Grand Totals per year usa taxpayers pays for ALL issues related to illeagles. It comes to aprox $360-BILLION Per year!

            Imagiane how swell our bridges, roads, govnt buildgs, schools etc not to mention our Own personal lives would be better if we instead spent that $1 billion per Day on those things and not on illeagles!

            And look at how Most thanks us…Like most africans the majority of mexicans sure seem very Ungratefull to me.

            Many Hate us from being so brainwashed to blame usa whites for all their mexico land troubles as if we had something to do with their haveing a dozen kids they cannot feed and houses that are tin shacks etc. Yes thats real sad. So maybe mexicans need to remain IN mexico and rally a protest at Their own mex govnt and leave americans alone. Obviously By “Most” and “Majority” I have no real method to calculate exact percentages Ugly. I am going from personal detroit life experience and what I seen across our nation and its definatly more than 1/2 of mexicans and of blacks that could do Much better at acting civilized etc. Maybe its even way more than 1/2 each group. And we never did anything to harm them so why do we need pay penalty is my feelings.

            Ugly havent you ever got so fed up that you thought to self, if one more black calls whites racist then I am going to start to Act racist or like some Nazi?

            I have and am very tired of blame for stuff I never did. Sooner or later someone white or a group of whites are going to do just that. they wil figure “No matter What we do they will Still call us nazis and racists, So..We may as well go All out and be a mean racist nazi cause what we got to lose either way” and That will start the ball rolling. Thats all it takes and its on.

            We get stuck putting out a forest fire that we never started. It wont be pretty.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

            • Kulafarmer says:

              I think III% of all races will be the last hope we have, that III% knows no racial, religious, or socioeconomic boundaries and is just what it says.
              Almost everyone else is a sheep, were screwed.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

            • interesting , why cant the white race ,ask for reparations, from the apparently lesser IQ or lesser in actual ability to think outside the box or invent things races ? They get to live in a technological society that WHITES built. Shouldn’t they have to pay for the benefits they enjoy from the most creative race/culture ever to be on this planet?
              I went to a music museum ,with my daughters class and they were presenting black African music . It was great!
              But while they were making drums etc from bone and hides the white race had whole symphonies made from high tech metalworking ,brass instruments etc.
              so where does the agenda come from to dilute and disperse the white race? If I mention it lol its antisematic or gasp, sheds light on the jews who drive the destruction of all races except theirs.Flame me if u wish but before u do read their torah and Talmud which cannot be spelled with a small t ,the Talmud that is ,it instantly goes to large cap.hmm is the bible auto large cap ? nope . Try it yourself then tell me im full of crap .why does the t almud , if spelled correctly, auto make a capitol t ? hmm trying Koran and its auto spelled large k so why Christian bible not?
              I think there is an agenda and its not condusive to whites?we create we outthink we DO more .Why must Caucasians be vilified? well its someones agenda wake up and do your research . rant off

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

            • Ugly says:

              Them Guys.

              There is no doubt racism and some racial tensions are on the rise. I blame a big part of this on all the democratic mayors and senators in their areas. They have converted their main streets into ghettos and slums. Who would want to start a business in those areas?

              Crime and hatred usually goes down when employment goes up. If you want less crime, you need more jobs.

              If the dumb dems can handle this fact, when this POTUS is done after 8 years he will have accumulated more debt and more spending than all of the other Presidents combined. That is the truth.

              I also blame the Dumb White Democrat. The dumbest voting block are not the blacks, it is the Dumb White Democrat.

              Have you ever tried to have a political conversation with the Dumb White Democrat? All you really get is that they hate Republicans and that is about it.

              Keep prepping and keep praying. America is too great to lose. Too many brave souls of all colors and nationalities have given their lives for our freedom. We cannot let them down.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

        • John W. says:

          I think you see the situation pretty clearly. Shame that the fools we elect are so stupid or just plain don’t care what damage they do.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • JayJay says:

        Ugly–you missed a really big point here.
        Those poor, under-privileged moochers with children are wearing better clothes than most middle-class children with working parents..did you notice the plural form of parent??

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

    48. freespeach says:

      Democrat Rep. wants Obamacare waiver for Ski Resort Sheeple.

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/democrat-ski-resorts-need-obamacare-waivers/

      Hope the link works.

      I heard that some of the democrats that are coming up for re-election now want to postpone obamacare for a year. They should have thought about that along time ago, before now.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • JayJay says:

        freespeach–you still don’t get it??
        That’s just a schpeel to get re-elected–they will not remember saying that long!
        Geeze-you are gullible!!

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 2

        • JayJay says:

          And further more–how would delaying that ACA POS bill help??
          Those with part-time, 29 hour jobs gonna get hours extended or increased to 40 when their employers see it extended a year?
          Those making $8 an hour are suddenly gonna get $10 an hour when their employers see it extended a year??
          Those trying to feed and house and clothe 3 kids on $20,000 gonna suddenly have fewer to feed, house, and clothe??
          Geeze–sometimes there are just no words for stupidity.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 2

          • Milo Mindbender says:

            I am sick to death of hearing about a woman raising 3 kids on 20K. Uless I am thr father, or a tive it is not my problem. My wife and I decided not to have more children when we saw how muvh it cost to raisr them close to correctly. If you cant earn more than 20K, dont have children by yourself, and if you dont want to be pregnant, and alone stop sleeping with deadbeats. Your mistakes affect your children, dont ask me to cut back on mine because you didnt use discretion in choosing a partner.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    49. Doctor Who. says:

      I bet this plan is increasing heart-attacks through stress and worry nationwide. As if the common citizen does not have enough on their plate to worry about. While the big-boys suck ice-cream the have-nots gnaw on chicken bones.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    50. Nina'os lil brother says:

      Over 30 Mexican ponga boats have snuck
      Into ca central coast in last month mabey they can
      Smuggle us out!!
      Dive buddy wanted
      Ma duece at 20 fathoms

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        now i got nuthin’ against the normal mexican people(both of them) but why don’t we just give california BACK to mexico??? isn’t that what they always wanted?

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    51. RickE. says:

      Don’t worry everyone! Within a year, Obamacare will prove to be the biggest liberal disaster of all time.
      Obama and other progressive Marxists will wish that their names aren’t even vaguely associated with this debacle from hell!
      It is doomed!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    52. Be informed says:

      Another precursor earthquake, 6.2 east of the South Sandwich Islands about 45 minutes ago. This one did NOT reach the level of 7.5+ for previous huge earthquakes to follow. This one does take aim on two areas big time. The Caribbean and Central American region and Alaska over to extreme northest Russia. One other time in New Zealand back in 1984. 2 years ago this same region was hit in June and a 7.3 followed in Alaska’s Aleutian Islands. All other major quakes ranged from 6.5 to 6.9 all the way back to 1932. While this was not number 24 showing a monster coming, it was number 26 showing a major earthquake is due. It is now 23 out of 26 that show a huge quake is coming soon. It is not stopping, these outer rim divergent plates moving.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0

    53. Be informed says:

      @ Shifty. You were wondering what has happened to fall. Everytime a hurricane turns away fro the Asian continent cold air from the arctic sinks deep into the U.S. They have an explanation over at AccuWeather about this in more detail. Just like earthquakes being predicted from a percursor event(s), the weather also has precursor signs to look for. The resulting cold snap next week will be aresult of the weather pattern in Asia that controls the Arctic above it. This is hardly fortune telling, it is looking for past events that show what happens next, in the future. Interesting isn’t it?

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

      • Shifty says:

        Thanks for the info, BI! Very interesting stuff. Instead of simply bitching about it, I can actually bitch about it AND know the cause! Hope you are well!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    54. Molly Pitcher says:

      I have a sudden thought, I don’t always read all the posts, but…Is it possible that the failure of the health care website, was sabotaged from the beginning? That the computer geeks knew what they were doing in creating the website “glitches”? I, like all here, prefer to run my own life, as I see fit. I lurk here and try to learn from all.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    55. Fleendar the wise says:

      Obamacare was *meant* to fail and collapse. Nationalizing the H-C system is too radical of an idea at this time as a nationalized H-C system is what communism governed nations have. However… Create a massive H-C Charlie-Foxtrot type crisis where almost no one has any coverage and the masses will beg, even demand a government controlled single payer H-C system, AKA- nationalized healthcare.
      That’s what Obamacare is about, duping the citizens into allowing a communist form healthcare system to be implemented in America. Just a few more steps and we’ll be a communist governed nation. Just as the global elites have planned.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

    56. Banned troll says:

      Here’s how we can pay for all this mess.
      Now all the immigrants are just flocking in.
      At a certain date and time…
      If you are undocumented….you become the slave of the United States.

      Then we put your ass in a factory camp for 25 years.
      We focus the profits on paying off the debt and to pay for Obummer care.

      You break the laws….you want to stay here…we’ll made sure you do!!!

      I’m so joking…funny thought though.
      Bait and switch.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    57. Banned troll says:

      http://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/lewinsky-button.jpg

      Some humor to remind you all of happier times.
      Enjoy the pic.

      ha

      A few years will pass and comrade obummer will be out of office and just a memory.
      A larger worry is all the dems who are really turning into socialist and commies.
      That’s the real damage of a country deprived of a manufacturing base, jobs and a decent standard of living.

      I’m trying to figure a way a capitalist can make money off all this.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • High Noon says:

        Bt: liked your picture

        I posted this earlier this year.
        Bill Clinton was leaving a meeting an someone yelled out a question. Mr president how’s Hilary’s head, to which Bill replied, “Not as good as Monica’s”

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    58. SylantBill says:

      Obama told me I could keep my insurance if I wanted. He didn’t tell me that it is going up 27%. I asked my supervisor to fire me so I could get free healthcare and food stamps.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    59. ponomo says:

      Deport Emanual clans, Goldman Sucks, JP Morgan Chase, Obuma, and a few dozen similar millions of clowns who
      who are indebting the USA for a planned “economic collapse.” The Mafia has more credibility.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    60. Anon says:

      The end of the US empire: no hegemony, forced accountability?

      The United States is growing ever more desperate in the Middle East and around the world as it is becoming increasingly clearer with each passing day, no matter how US officials attempt to portray their country as in control and relevant, that things have changed and the US is a “world superpower” in decline. Unfortunately that decline is not going to be a pretty one, especially for the Washington elites and the geopolitical architects that have brought upon the world the current war-on-terror-hyper-security-state-paradigm. These “planners” may have to finally account for the way they have run roughshod over international laws and norms and there is a danger they may lash out in irrational ways.
      Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_25/The-end-of-the-US-empire-no-hegemony-forced-accountability-5492/

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    61. Kulafarmer says:

      I should know better but,,,
      Every time i go on cnn and read the comments from the progressive sheep who tout the wonders of anything obummer i just want to blow chunks and then stick that big ass Strider knife of mine into my chest, with idiots like that there is absolutely no hope for this country.
      People have gotten to be so stupid and gullible and pacifist that its almost a lost cause!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

    62. Drop on by everyone, take a break from all the madness, relax, and enjoy – http://thetreasureofzion.com

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

    63. jimbow says:

      Looks like we need to put Obama on Mtn. Rushmore, sort of balances it out. there’s one that started this nation, one that got it back together, one that made sure it was free, so to balance it out there should be ones that destroyed this great nation. Jest joking but think about it.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    64. Even if it’s free where you going to find a doctor/health care facility? All the providers are getting out of the biz, laid off or canned.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    65. John Galt says:

      This was forwarded to me in an email chain not sure if it is true or not but it is some scary stuff:

      Begin forwarded message:

      This is the second Judge to have read the Obama Care document and made comments. More highlights of Nancy ‘s “pass it and Then find out what’s in the bill”!!!!!!

      Show this to everyone nearing the ripe old age of 76. These are just a few of the things that we Seniors are going to have to deal with starting in 2014.

      Even far left Democrats will not like these.
      MEDICARE AT AGE 76 IMPORTANT PLEASE READ – ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THIS IS TRUE CAN DOWNLOAD THE NEW OBAMA CARE AND LOOK UP THE PAGES MENTIONED. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING………………….

      PLEASE PASS THIS OUTRAGE TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST!!! THIS should be read by everyone, especially important to those over 75……. If you are younger, then it may apply to your parents….

      Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what happen in this year and 2014!

      YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS… At age 76 when you most need it most, you are not eligible for cancer treatment * see page 272 What Nancy Pelosi didn’t want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, “We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what’s in it.” Well, here it is.

      Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number THE CARE BILL HB 3200 JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

      Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX – highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200 Please read this……. especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

      JUDGE KITHIL wrote: ** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

      ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

      ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).

      ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.
      (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

      ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees. This is what they do in Sweden too. I know because Alf’s daughter Ann is an OBGYN, and her husband, Thorsten, is a surgeon……… ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

      ** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception. ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

      ** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

      HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:
      “Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.

      No wonder they did not see the need to read it….doesn’t apply to them!!!

      THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP TO WASHINGTON …..NOW! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

      Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls , Texas

      All of the above should give you the ammo you need to oppose Obamacare. Please send this information on to all of your email contacts.

      In God We Trust

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    66. Mark says:

      I’m sure many of y’all have seen this article by Karl Denninger, but have another look. It has a lot of factual information all in one place.

      http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=225369

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    67. High Noon says:

      This a re-post but good info on obamacare:

      paulcraigroberts.org
      click on (articles)
      click on (timeline) feb 2013 “OBAMACARE: A DECEPTION”
      prints out 16 pages. very good info on obamacare

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

    68. Patriot Man says:

      The entire obamacare BS is 1. a trillion dollar + tax, and 2. a massive distraction from from what they are doing behind the scenes. Suck us into the false info abyss of obamacare so we cannot see how they are preparing to attack the country. FAIL kenyon scum, we KNOW…

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    69. NEWS GUY... says:

      BELOW IS SOMETHING I READ ON A POSTING BOARD FROM ANOTHER SITE…I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING AND WANTED TO SHARE IT… READ ON… THERE SEEMS TO BE A TREND HERE. I’M SEEING MORE RANTS FROM THOSE IN ECONOMIC POWER. HERE’S WHAT’S COMING FOR THE DEMS AND SOCIALIST/COMMIES I FEEL. THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS…

      I am currently planning an IT company. I will be doing self funded projects.
      Because of Obama.. I’m taking the extra time to make sure everything is well designed and can be run by one person. Extreme automation

      Obama has forced my hand to engineer my venture to NOT provide a single job for anyone other than myself.

      Enjoy the soup line you liberal pricks.
      You inflicted so much liberal payroll law bullshit..then you put a truckload of Obama shit health care on top of that?!!!

      FUCK ALL YOU COMMIE BASTARDS.
      NO JOBS FOR YOU EVER!!!!

      Now you will get to see how well Comrade Obama does at providing your every needs.

      This ‘Capitalist Pig” will now evolve into everything you hate.

      There’s no laws saying I HAVE to create a single job for any of you.

      Enjoy having no real life for you or your children.
      That’s what you forced my hand at.
      I know many other business owners are now doing the same.

      The guy who owns the pizza place down the way…they are firing off everyone who is not family.

      There a new form of exclusion going on.
      The economy is going stealth now…
      Zero Tolerance for traitors to the United States.
      We’ll start with creating no jobs for you because you enslaved the
      honest employers and those trying to make something of themselves.

      The United States will continue to descend into dem socialist hell and the commie overtones are starting to show.

      You think the honest red blooded real Americans born here will lie down and take that?

      You fucked up our economy..now we’ll fuck up your job opportunities by not creating any for you.

      Any questions? Prepare to be excluded from the economy.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

    70. Vern says:

      Or, to summarize, what a stupid effing idea.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 3

    71. STOP OBAMACARE NOW!

      I have the RIGHT to be refused FREE MARKET health insurance for any member of my family based on pre-existing conditions.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    72. Mensa Graham says:

      Is Tucker the same Cynthia Tucker that almost single-handedly took down the AJC? You and Bookman did a number on the circulation, right? For everyone else, Cynthia is the thinnest skinned black woman God created. She bleeds when she sneezes. Why beats me as she has done quite well writing crap for others to read most of her life. Someone convinced her to hate blacks herself so bad she thinks everyone is out to get her. Sort of big-time paranoid. Talk about someone feeding off others. Whew!

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

    73. ComplianceGeek1 says:

      Do NOT comply. If we all refuse (or the majority), we can starve the beast and it will die!

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

    74. The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 47 million people as of the most recent figures available in 2013.
      Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us “Please Do Not Feed the Animals.”
      Their stated reason for the policy is because “The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.”

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

    75. major says:

      That’s the most infuriating trait of the big liars is that they continue repeating the big lie as the Titanic finally sinks below the waves. The question is when are people going to start ignoring the big lie in the face of overwhelming factual evidence. The severity of the delusion is stunning.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    76. trolling madness says:

      so many comments on this healthcare system that is starting to take hold of us all. we all no in our heart that this is not good for us. we feel the only thing we can do is bow down and let it happen. many reasons why this is happening to us all Scared, confussed , worried to be without etc….. may I just say this , my mother would say to me growing up where is your head girl if they said jump you would jump.. WE ARE ADULTS START ACTING LIKE IT. THE STATEMENT RIGHT BEFORE MINE SAYS IT ALL ITS VERY SImple we do not sign up for this we have to stop this now before its to late. I’m begging you all good people of the united states help me to stop this take down of our lifes as we no it.USE YOUR HEAD IF IT DONT FEEL RIGHT DONT DO IT.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

    77. Dave says:

      I won’t pay, nor will I pay any fines since I cannot afford to.
      Moreover, the IRS is powerless to levy criminal or civil sanctions on those who refuse.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    78. James Woroble Jr says:

      The BIG picture – Socialism = Destructionism

      This is not an agenda of benevolence, but one of malevolence.

      “Free cheese is only to be found in a rat trap.”

      The Methods of Destructionism
      http://mises.org/books/socialism/part5_ch34.aspx

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    79. Sten says:

      Fuck civil forfeiture (cops stealing poor people’s cash and homes), fuck the government who murdered kids at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and fuck you Obama, you Kenyan piece of baboon shit, and your fucked up health care scam.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    80. Sten says:

      P.S. and Fuck you Democrats and Republicans, you are all part of the same shit system. From Nixon to Obongo, our rights are being stripped away. Only a few champions from either party have stood up for our rights. That’s my rant, folks. Now it’s time to go to the shooting range and exercise my 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Nothing threatening about that. Just exercising my fucking rights, you anti-American Kenyan turd! Lucky for everyone I’m a peace-loving Christian, I don’t believe in rebellion against civil authority. But that doesn’t stop me from praying for a peaceful revolution against the tyranny we call America today. Peaceful revolution is easy: we just all have to wake up and refuse to do satanic deeds even if the thugs in uniform at all levels orders us to.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

     
    SHTF Plan - RSS Feed - Preparedness News, Commentary, Resources
    There's an 84% chance you won't remember where you read our unique information. Don't be another statistic.
    email 
    details
    Flojak Hand Water Pump
    Survival Food
    Bulletproof Home Defense
    Auto Survival Kit
    Food Storage
    Advertisement
    Community Discussion - User Comments
    Patriot Dawn

    Web Design and Content Copyright 2007 - 2014 SHTF Plan - When It Hits The Fan, Don't Say We Didn't Warn You - All Rights Reserved

    Supercharged Intel Xeon5620 on an 8-Core Dedicated Storm Server Powered By Liquid Web

    Dedicated IP Address: 67.43.5.170

    The content on this site is provided as general information only. The ideas expressed on this site are solely the opinions of the author(s) and do not necessarily represent the opinions of sponsors or firms affiliated with the author(s). The author may or may not have a financial interest in any company or advertiser referenced. Any action taken as a result of information, analysis, or advertisement on this site is ultimately the responsibility of the reader.

    SHTFplan is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.