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    New Ban Bill Hits Congress: Targets Semi-Automatic Rifles & Handguns: “To Ensure That The Right To Keep and Bear Arms Is NOT Unlimited”

    Mac Slavo
    December 27th, 2015
    SHTFplan.com
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    In the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings we warned that sweeping changes were in the works for Americans’ right to bear arms. It started with ammunition tax proposals, restrictions on firearm accessories imports and most recently Governors began bypassing Congress altogether by banning gun ownership for those on any of the government’s many watchlists. The Obama administration has also targeted licensed firearms sellers across the United States by forcing banks to treat them like pornography businesses and impeding their access to transaction processing systems and business banking accounts.

    States like California already ban “assault weapons” and outlaw “high capacity” magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. But the kinds of restrictive laws that strike at the very heart of the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution have thus far been limited to just a dozen or so heavily liberal states.

    Until now.

    While Americans anxiously prepared for their Christmas festivities, anti gun proponents in Congress were hard at work drafting a new bill. If passed H.R. 4269 would literally redefine the Second Amendment as evidenced by the bill’s description, which in no uncertain terms clarifies its ultimate goal:

    “To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.”

    The bill directly targets every semi-automatic firearm in the United States including handguns, shotguns and rifles. It specifically mentions certain firearms and manufacturers, including the popular AR-15 and AK-47 rifles.

    Because the law is Federal it would blanket the country with new restrictions, including making it illegal to own any magazine that exceeds a capacity of ten (10) rounds. 

    And here’s the kicker, even if your weapon has a legally-defined low capacity detachable magazine but is modified with any of the following accessories, it is considered an “assault rifle” and would be outright banned in the United States.

    Semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

    “(i) A pistol grip.

    “(ii) A forward grip.

    “(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

    “(v) A barrel shroud.

    “(vi) A threaded barrel.

    “(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

    “(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.

    Click for full text of bill

    To be clear, the new bill puts all half measures aside and goes for the jugular.

    This is the worst case scenario that many Americans have feared.

    If you own a weapon on the ban list or have accessories as described by the bill, your firearm will be outlawed in the United States of America.

    SEC. 3.RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES

    (a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

    (1) by inserting after subsection (u) the following:

    “(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

    “(37) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’

    “(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition;

    “(w) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

    The bill was introduced in Congress on Decemeber 16, 2015 and currently has 123 co-sponsors – all democrats.

    We know that gun bans don’t work but one can’t help but think the agenda goes much further than the notion that they want to make us safer. If that were the case then our lawmakers wouldn’t allow drug cartels, gang members and Islamic terrorists to cross into the U.S. through our porous southern border.

    The reality is that a cloud of tyranny has descended upon America. For it to be successful the American people must first be disarmed.

    As history has proven time and again, a disarmed populace can easily be led to slaughter. But unlike the tens of millions executed in ethnic, religious and political cleansings of the 20th century, Americans have a rich tradition of personal liberty and the right to bear arms. It is embedded in our culture and our founding document. And as Texas police chief Randy Kennedy recently warned, if the government pushes too far they may well incite a revolution.

    Also Read:

    Cold Hard Facts On Gun Bans: “The Cost Of Liberty Can Be Measured In the Loss of Life”

    Texas Police Chief Warns Obama That Gun Control Will “Cause A Revolution… You’re Not Our Potentate, Sir”

    Shock Report About Secret Obama Treaty: “Unlimited Migration From Mexico… Gun Import Bans… Ammunition Bans”

    With Knife Murders Spiking After Gun Ban, UK Urges “Save a Life–Surrender Your Knife”

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    Author: Mac Slavo
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    Date: December 27th, 2015
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    1. Almost Time says:

      Can You Hear

      Is It Time

      Wait-Wait

      Not Until You See Their Dark Hearts.

      • laeagle says:

        AT,

        Agreed!

        Wait, wait!
        Not until you see the white of their eyes!

        Louisiana Eagle

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Laeagle, agreed. I also know how to do head shots. Hope you had a good Christmas. I’ve been at the BOL in GA since Christmas Eve and having a blast.

          • durangokidd says:

            Never happen in an election year. Never happen ever. Ten percent of the One Million gun owners in New York State, organized into five man Freedom Cells, can eliminate the New World Order overnight, and at 500 yards.

            Death to the New World Order is totally Constitutional. :-)

            • apache54 says:

              DK,
              maybe that is what they want NO ELECTIONS martial law and OBUTTHEAD stays in office!!!

            • Dirk Diggler says:

              Durangokidd you are correct sir! It does not look like it will happen in an election year and has about a 6% chance of getting out of committee. Here is the prognosis and link to the bill from govtrack.us

              Prognosis

              6% chance of getting past committee.
              2% chance of being enacted.

              Only 15% of bills made it past committee and only about 3% were enacted in 2013–2015. [show factors | methodology]

              https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr4269

            • Kathy D says:

              I believe Obama & his cronies are trying to disarm the American people because he is intending to do something awful to our country, then declare martial law & we’re all screwed

              • Beowulf says:

                @Kathy D Don’t assume that we will follow the new law. You are exactly right that they have big plans for us. We all know give up your black rifle and you will die or become a slave. I believe that law will start a civil war. Maybe the catalyst for the fourth turning.

              • donchada says:

                I think you’re right except for a slight slip in wording. Obama, et al have already done something awful to our country. Our country, not his! Now he thinks he has another whole year to tighten the screws. Besides wanting our guns, he wants to bring many thousands more 5th column muslums into our towns and cities. For what? The name of the game is destroy the constitution,and destroy our culture. But his handlers have been working on that for many decades. Stay sharp.

            • JoJo says:

              JoJo says: Maybe we need yp teach politicians “the big bang theory?

            • GUN-CONTROL-DICK-ACT-1902_CANNOT-BE-REPEALED

              DICK ACT of 1902… CAN’T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN)
              Protection Against Tyrannical Government.
              The Honorable William Gordon, Congressional Record, House, Page 640 – 1917
              The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.

              The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

              The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
              The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
              Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, “the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States.”
              The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.

              During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
              The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.

              Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: “The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.” In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, “that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it.”

              “This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power.”

              The Honorable William Gordon
              Congressional Record, House, Page 640 – 1917
              DICK ACT of 1902… CAN’T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN)

          • John Q. Public says:

            Well, at least it doesn’t outlaw machine guns, silencers, destructive devices, AOWs, (non-semiauto) SBRs and SBSs.

            We just need scramble before NFA weapon prices get even higher. (laughing)

            • slingshot says:

              John Q. Public

              Stick it to them.

              May, 2004, a detachment from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders surprised a force of 100 insurgents near Al Amara, Iraq with a bayonet charge. British casualties were light, but nearly 28 guerrillas were killed. And as recently as October of 2011, a British Army lance corporal named Sean Jones led a squad of soldiers from the Prince of Wales Royal Regiment in a bayonet charge against Taliban fighters in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. After being ambushed and pinned down by militants, the 25-year-old ordered his squad to advance into a hail of machine gun fire. “We had to react quickly,” Jones remarked. “I shouted ‘follow me’ and we went for it.” He was awarded the Military Cross for his actions. Even in an age of GPS-guided bombs, unmanned drone and network-centric warfare, 300-year-old technology — like the simple bayonet — can still carry the day.

              • slingshot says:

                slingshot says:
                Comment ID: 3491682

                December 24, 2015 at 3:00 pm

                The simple way to start it all is to make a law that states that after a certain date. NO One can have a gun of any type. Can Not purchase one or have one given to you. No more guns after that date. Only those who have guns before the set date will be Grand Fathered. To be enforced by Birthdate similar to buying alcohol. So those who can not buy a weapon because of the age restriction now. will be barred from future purchase.

                You don’t need gun confiscation. As everybody plans on happening.

            • Nobama says:

              Barrel shrouds? Why the hell are they so worked up over a safety feature, just like pot holders to keep you from burning your hands in the kitchen. Damn these liberal loons are so retarded. Makes no sense, none of this does.

          • John Q. Public says:

            On a serious note, I think there is a deeper agenda at work.

            They know they cannot pass this bill with the Repubs in control and an election ahead. They remember that the Democrats were routed in the 1992 Congressional elections mostly over Clinton’s AW ban.

            I think the puppeteers want that to happen again. Why? Because a Republican Congress and a Republican President will make their political theatre look real once again to the sheeple. They want get the suckers back in the game… blow off a little steam… and change NOTHING. I think that is the deeper agenda.

          • laeagle says:

            Brave, DK, All

            Happy New Year!

            Enjoy the peace and quiet while you have it. There is a lot of restlessness out there. Waiting is always hard, often misunderstood as passive, but the mind must be engaged, the vision must be clear, requires extreme dedication, discipline and training, and the end game must be understood. Everything has its time, everyone will play a role, every person has a job!

            Good luck and God bless each and everyone of you, including Genius! I offer a toast to the most esteemed Mac and Tess, and all the good folks who frequent this forum. May you always be healthy, wealthy and wise in the coming New Year! My thoughts and prayers go out to all those folks bearing the brunt of the current wave of bad winter weather. Please keep us posted. Stay engaged!

            With warmest and best wishes, and gratitude to all,

            Louisiana Eagle

            • Laeagle,

              Restless is a understatement. Everywhere, people are ready to kick the pig and get this thing rolling. I say let them try taking our guns and the scum in DC should be the first through a real gun owners door.

        • American-American says:

          Don’t shoot ’till you see the whites of their thighs!

          Never mind, I was thinking of another type of encounter.

        • Huapakechi says:

          The whites of their eyes through a 9X scope?

      • john stiner says:

        I would have thought the Republicans would fight against something like this, but they just totally sucked Obama’s dick on the Budget.

        Defunding Planned Parenthood is as important an issue to true Conservatives as firearms protection protection is.

        But why did they totally cave on the Budget?

        I think we are truly fucked on this. The Haster rule is out. The Haster rule stated that the Speaker of the House would not introduce legislation unless it could pass with majority Republican members. The budget passed with majority Democrats voting.

        (Good thing I don’t own any guns)

        • The Republicans did not sucks Obama ‘ s Dick on this, he sucked theirs. What did they want and get? They wanted to let the oil companies sell our oil overseas. Trillions of dollars here. American oil has been reserved for American use for decades by law. It is why gasoline has always been much cheaper here than anywhere else on the planet. The Republicans sold us down the river for over a trillion to get this law repealed.

        • Ordinary Joe says:

          The Toomey/Manchin bill is also being resurrected. They said it is time to do something about all this gun violence. Add that bill to this one and what out below!

        • Huapakechi says:

          Lost all mine in a boating accident…

      • FreeSlave says:

        “The bill was introduced in Congress on Decemeber 16, 2015 and currently has 123 co-sponsors – all democrats.”

        The Libs are the Dark Hearts.

        • Kulafarmer says:

          I hope they pass it,
          Lets get this over with

        • TEST says:

          Most leftists don’t have hearts. Or souls. Or minds. All they have is a blind, unthinking allegiance to the mantra/
          Dear Leader and the dark side… not to mentioned abortion, crypto-communism, ignorance, an aversion to free speech and a love for speech/thought police, oppression and a Hilary-esque visceral aversion to anything resembling truth

          • Makemyday says:

            Test:

            In a post I see your description of Representative Jerrod Nadler as “communist”.

            Maybe a better description of him can be found in the New York Times article dated August 21, 2015…

            “Rep Nadler Endorses Iran Nuclear Deal.”

            Times goes on to say “His Jewish colleagues in NY congressional delegation”……

            So your description + the Times description = he is a “Jewish Communist”.

            We are getting closer to the truth of who rules the world, even if it is slowly….one comment at a time.

            Surely somehow Test can make him out to be a Nazi German or better yet, a muzzie.

          • John Q. Public says:

            TEST is still trying to sell that stale “conservative-liberal” bagel.

            As if “conservativesÚ voted against Patriot Acts 1 & 2, NDAA, and all the rest of the ZOG police state and welfare for Jewish banksters. Whether “conservative” or “liberal“ or outright “communist,” there is not a nickel’s difference in the outcome of contemporary party politics. Hell, it would be hard to find a Republican or “conservative” who doesn’t accept at least some planks of the Communist manifesto… ahem….progressive income tax!

            The synagogue of Satan has the most abject puppets and poxed prostitutes that money can buy… and a gaggle of deceivers like TEST to lay cover for the fraud while they swoon about sharia.

            I wonder if this post will ever see the light of day.

            • John Q.
              Your post saw the light of day, I hope mine does too. No wonder folks on here are being labeled terrorists… shooting unarmed citizens or beating them up is blather ed about a lot around here. Come on ijits… give stupidity a rest for a minute. Calling for killing your neighbors will get you a terrorist designation and jail time… if you survive. What are you thinking? Be prepared is not the same as threatening others and becoming the nightmare you call others. If I stay home and tend my garden, how does that give me the right to say I will kill someone with different ideas? I will protect myself, anything beyond that is terrorism. If this country rises up, so be it. We will get in a world of hurt together. Yelling about targeting women and niggers and beating them up cuz… uppity… may get you shot and hallelujah for that. Settle your puny brains down and stick to real issues like taking our country back from black money. If all you care about is terrorizing Americans… see you on News at 11.

      • American-American says:

        AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES… such as?

      • Usta B Younger says:

        Trying to ban a bb gun the umarex Uzi

      • Obama, Bush and many others are guilty of treason which I believe is punishable by death by hanging in this country. Obama now openly admits he is not an American citizen. .People need to get off their lazy asses and do the research for themselves, ignore government, learn the law, quit paying unconstitutional tax to a privately owned un federal reserve, quit giving up your weapons, and start holding government accountable for their crap on we the people. Personally I am disgusted with most of Americas citizens for passing the buck. I have made major life altering “not for my personal comforts” decisions which at times have made my life a living hell . I now realize my efforts have been wasted because 92% of Americans don’t have the guts or the balls to follow suit or sacrifice of themselves for the good of all. Nothing like slapping our vets in the face for their sacrifice !. I cannot believe how simple the solution to all of this is people. NOW LISTEN UP AMERICA. Do not .enlist in the armed forces and then allow them to send you to foreign soil to die for their greed. STUPID, STUPID. If you have to go military, keep it here where the real enemy is. It would be different if some other country was parachuting into your back yard on our soil to do harm. Then kill em all and let God sort them out. Frankly I cannot remember such an event happening in recent past. There cannot be a war without soldiers to fight ! RIGHT ? RIGHT ? Only evil doers would send you to your death in this way, NOT ONE OF GODS CHILDREN. You are not killing for God and country as the saying goes. Not my God anyhow. Let the sons of satin go fight their own war eh. Anyone that does otherwise certainly isn’t doing me or any other with good intent a favor. In fact I would have to see you as satins helper, or worshiper. In that case go join skull and bones. “Protecting life from aggression initiated by another through the taking of that life, or having to “kill” is morally acceptable and nothing shy of righteous. TO DO ANYTHING ELSE IS “MURDER” and I refuse any excuse of being in the military as making murder right from anyone. You can go to hell. I haven’t had to murder anyone because I have a functioning brain and am capable of thinking for and reasoning for myself. NOW SOMEONE SHOW ME A MORE RATIONAL OR SIMPLE WAY TO TURN A FOUL WORLD OF HATE AND DEATH TOWARDS ONE OF LOVE,THE CARING FOR OTHERS, AND THE PURSUIT OF PERSONAL SELF BETTERMENT AND GROWTH.I have been dead twice since 2011.I am telling everyone there is more life than what your senses are allowing you to experience in the here and now. While every bodies God may be different, there is a God for each of us. You Will See .

      • countryboy says:

        Just a redneck country boy trying to make it with his family here. This government is pushing for a fight, buying ammo, pushing a militarized police force, what is next? What they really don’t realize is that this country has never been invaded because of its armed citizens. WE the PEOPLE elect them, they need to realize that we can take it away just as easily. A revolution is coming that will make the Boston tea party look like a holiday in the park. Let them push, when WE push back, then they will understand , if there are enough of us with what it takes to push. IN GOD WE TRUST.

        • You are right, we were not invaded by Japan because we were armed. My dad sent his hunting rifle to Europe because they were unarmed. We have been invaded by Mexico to the tune of 11+ million and our government, D&R, say cool beans. Trump admits it but has used illegal labor his entire career. Our government wants our guns because we threaten revolt. Duh.

      • We do not have to “start a revolution”.

        We MUST STOP THE REVOLT AND THE REVOLTING CREATURES!

      • DevilMayCry says:

        It’s really not hard to push this through.

        1. Get as MANY politicians voting (for it) as possible.

        2. Have those against it panic

        3. Publicize like fucking crazy

        4. Start a us vs. them campaign.

        5. When as many people in the nation are rallied against
        it as can be mustered..and the tipping point to defeat the bill (the apex of political resistance) is almost reached proceed to step six.

        6. Have a horrific gun related event happen. Think
        sandy hook times ten. The night before voting on
        it commences. Incredible well timed news media.
        If the opponents push ahead they look morally bankrupt
        and lose the info war. If they don’t push ahead they
        lose by default.

        And heres the extended version…

        7. Orchestrate flash mobs, related “imitation events”
        within 48 hours of it happening. Huge swaths of
        the internet are inundated by calls to ban it.
        The equivalent of a digital apocalypse in fear
        mongering. A public outcry so loud it deafens
        reason and all dissent.

        8. Kickstart recall elections for a few politicians who
        are neutral or not outspoken about supporting the
        bill. The reason for this is it would be way more
        effective to rally your side to supporting the bill
        during what would amount to a public firestorm of
        panic. Recall elections against politicians already
        against the bill would just entrench opposition, and
        help to rally people to them. Far better to make
        an example of your own–just in case, at the moment
        of victory, any of them should have any doubts.

        9. Delay, harass, threaten, disrupt, divert, and otherwise prevent any potential opposition from possibly
        being present during the voting.

        10. Bribe those who can be bribed. Blackmail those who
        can be blackmailed. Make every effort, and all resources
        available to capture the interest and loyalty of those
        who would lead the opposition against this bill. House speakers, dissident party leaders, etc.

        Think.. moral panic on a 48 live news feed, hit the public with so much fear mongering, so fast, that they don’t know what they are agreeing to. Be ruthless with those who get in the way, and push it through hard and fast by any means necessary.

        Once it’s through you can worry about the fallout after.

        …did I sum up the .govs plans accurately?

      • Tetra says:

        Since Russia and China won’t bite onto the government’s threats, why not cause a popular uprising here? All the government wants to do is start some war to cover up the monetary policy failure of the US Federal Reserve Bank. Any war will suffice. All they want is an excuse to depopulate the under class from the planet to create a socialist utopia, as long as they stay in the politburo.

      • anonlady says:

        I hope everyone here has read the entire although exhausting entire bill at the above link. It is just crazy stupid in every way and like so much of their other bills crams in so much double talk that it is unbelievable! The one that almost made me fall out of my chair was at the end under “Servability” which states that “if this is found to be unconstitutional then it is basically disregarded” WHAAAAT!!! Any idiot that knows anything about our long held laws know it is just that right now with no debate at all.
        I can tell you with the amount of violence seen in a border state they can kiss my grits if I am going to hand over my only means of defense when the criminals darn well have the very guns they are bitchen about and law enforcement is not always swift out in the country!
        I hate to say it but almost wish the cell phone and computer systems would go down so maybe some of the last generation could pull their head out of their hind ends and take a look around! They will be in real trouble if the SHTF happens because they have no idea how to fend for themselves. My step kids freaked out when they realized how much time their Dad and I spent out in nature and shoot REAL guns, freaked their Mom out she is a shopper with no skills.

    2. We will see how that works out. We are just a small step from the tipping point where this bullsh*t is going to come to a dead stop. Bring it on you anti-American low lifes, bring it on.

      BigB

      • SterlingSilver says:

        “Governors began bypassing Congress altogether”

        Whether or not you agree with Governors is beside the point. While I”m a second Amendment supportor till my very death, I’m also a supporter of State’s rights over the Federal Gov (Congress). The Constutition only limits the federal government. State’s have a stake in the matter and the conversation totally changes. The States existed long before the federal government and if we’re going to stay pure the idealogy of principle, we have to take the good w/ the bad.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          SterlingSilver, I also support states’ rights as a matter of principle. However, state govt. has no more right to interfere with self-defense than the fed govt. has. IF the governors will come out in opposition to this bill, then they deserve our support. But if they support the bill or come up with gun bans of their own…..

        • Southpaw says:

          The Constitution supersedes states rights. It is supposed to be the only thing that does.

          • Kevin2 says:

            Southpaw

            “The Constitution supersedes states rights.”

            The 10th Amendment says otherwise unless the Federal Government is specifically authorized to have a specific authority.

            The 10th Amendment:
            The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

            The 14th Amendment which was post Civil War tied the Bill Of Rights to the States.

            Regarding this ban it has no real traction right now. Get Hillary as President and a Democrat House & Senate and you have a problem.

            The 10th Amendment will be the new battle ground in the courts.

            • Southpaw says:

              I think we are in agreement. The Constitution is supposed to be the only thing that the states are required to adhere to. Everything not in the Constitution falls within the authority of the individual states. For example, no states can prevent women from voting (19th amendment).

              • SterlingSilver says:

                This is where it gets misunderstood on many counts. The federal government is ONLY the supreme law of the land as it PERTAINS TO THE CONSTITUTION and ONLY ON FEDERAL MATTERS. There are many issues that the States have sole discretion on wherein the Federal government has no authority or jurisdiction. On state matters, the the Supremacy clause in the Constitution doesn’t apply.

                • SterlingSilver says:

                  However, having said that, each state constitution has a Bill of Rights that pretty much mirrors the federal Constitution’s. And as such, States still can’t repeal your right to self defense. My only argument in the beginning was that “Governors looking to bypass Congress” is totally fine as long as its a state matter and those laws which Congress passes that go beyond Federal jurisdiction should be held by the Governors as null and void. Now the President bypassing Congress is a totally different matter and one that the President is in violation of his oath of office over because he and the Congress are both federal.

              • Them Guys says:

                It’s designed to cause antigun libs and idiots and especially Black voters to remain dems and get off couch to vote for dems…

                Its Other main reason is so repubs just inches from next election cycle can rant and rave how progun they are and if folks refuse to elect a TOTAL repub majority in all sectors this will be americas darkest election to ever occure bar none…NRA is who will state That final crap as truth…”Send $$$! Phone Senate! and House too! and get the Vote for Repubs Out because Folks…This next election May be the MOST Important election to EVER occure in America, especially for support of 2nd amendt!”

                Ever Heard that one yet?

                But…If once again stupid voters base it on Fear and hysteria as such…And again trust repubs many great “promices” to ‘fix” all dems fucked up in past 100 years, like they did over and over 24/7 to get GW as prez and senate and house repubs majority for first time in past 63 years..

                Then the True real agenda for it shall surface fast, soon as repubs gets sworn in, if they get total control like with gw bush with house and senate both..

                Fox tv and CNN and maybe the others too are going to plaster tv screens daily non stop with brand new “made for tv” Faked terrorist yutube vids straight from Rita “Ex-Mossad” Katz’s website of “SITE: Terrorisim updates” or whatever her actual websites name is fully?

                With constant wild claims of tiny babies in syria tossed into Ovens 4 at a time and cooked to pure ash within spans of less than TEN Minits flat…Same as propagandas of nazi ovens etc was done.

                And not a single “Expert” TV talker head is ever going to Question something akin to this:.”but how, if todays Modern Computerized, far better insulated, Nat Gas fired cremation Ovens takes aprox 6 to 8 Hours Per dead human body to turn it into total Ashes and tiny bone fragments, and thats with most updated gas fired ovens ever made to date….How can ISIS terrorists cook 4 at a time like nazis and end with all ashes in LESS than 10 minits flat?

                Because If anyone ever asked That question Today?…How many folks “may” begin to think that perhaps close to 80 yrs ago Coal or Wood fired small brick made ovens in “camps” could never ever have done as claimed eh?

                And such question will open a Giant can of worms as they say eh….And todays instant infos gens aint going to fall for cockamany claims like ashes totally in Less than Ten Minits and with four bodies at once per oven claims, withOUT Valid scientific Proofs or demonstrations with already dead bodies as shown on TV while the info gen folks stare at wrist watches counting down to Ten Minits Flat before they get kosher fertalizer ashes right.

                Make zero Mistakes though..Its designed to garner repub support galore because War hawks like they enjoyed last time around, got the zio-Master Race controlers 6 or was it 7 new Wars in Mid east! and they still need a few more there prior to full occupation of said mid east lands.

                Scam, Swindle, charade, smoke and Mirrors…Take a choice.

          • john stiner says:

            The Constitution does not mean jack crap. That proof began in the follow in 1857.

            ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

        • Upinarms says:

          SCOTUS, has ruled that the Feds have power over the states ! Arizona & Texas are two states who have challenged their right to make laws that are contrary to the Federal Govt.

        • jack beauregard says:

          I do find it interesting that the only time states rights, and the tenth amendment, are given any meaning anymore, is when it to do with restricting the right to keep and bear arms.

        • 0352 says:

          Sorry Sterling but the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution has been determined by the Supreme Court to include the various states concerning the Bill of Rights. Don’t get me wrong, I’m for state’s rights as well, but not when it comes to violating the Bill of Rights.

        • anonlady says:

          Firstly, Hello to All this is my first time posting here although I have been reading for a while. Glad I read way down to where “Anon” is not really a good thing so I added lady!
          I hope that AZ will stand strong on this and can only weep for America if any of this crap ever truly passes. We could be packed and out pretty fast…and with the banks craziness about cash deposits these days just goes to show they are really watching all we do…
          Pleased that Arpaiho stated he nor his law enforcement will ever go around trying to collect guns if the govt. passes any bill outlawing guns. I find it interesting that Obutness has went after him so strongly, they really are intent on putting him away because he tried to do his elected job to protect Americans from illegals crossing unchecked and then Oblunder released over 100,000 CRIMMINALS back into our midst and now they think we are going to give up protecting our loved ones when the Phoenix news is reporting murder, rape,shootings, hit and runs, etc. at unbelievable rates everyday? We ALL know that person who will sell a gun and ask no questions so we are to believe the criminals will be unarmed too? HA! Australia has already warned us as has the U.K. to NOT allow them to take our guns as they are in dire straights now. Again, just been lurking and reading and learning much. Thanks to the many of you who are obviously devoted Americans and we stand with you as well.

    3. Unknown Suspect says:

      LOL Come and attempt to take them, bitches. Make sure you bring lots of body bags because those out enforcing these type of laws, a lot of them won’t be making it home to their families. I hope those voting for these kinds of laws understand they have attacked their constituents (employers).

      It will not be taken lightly. Those that support and vote for this need to fully understand that you have just declared war on the Joe Public. What’s at stake with your yes vote? Your house. Your family. Your assets.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        Unknown Suspect, AMEN. What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t those turds understand? None of it. They’re trying to bring on the very thing we all want to avoid and that is war. When push comes to shove, they better start watching their sixes. They can expect to be targeted themselves. I’m not giving up anything. MOLON LABE

        • Archivist says:

          They do understand it. That’s why the bill explicitly says that it is meant to limit our right to bear arms.

        • Bandit says:

          Are the ones that want to disarm the people going to give up their weapons as well, every one of them either have guns or are protected by people that have guns. I think that if they disarm the citizens of this country then those in office should give up the security details that they have, starting with bamba boy and all those that voted to disarm the people.

      • PO'd Patriot says:

        US, roger that. Gonna be lots of widows and orphans.

        • Colt M4 says:

          PO Patriot, you really need to rethink what you said, do you really think for one minute that The powers to be, are going to spare your wife, your parents, or your kids, or keep them from being send to a FEMA camp. The answer to that question is HELL NO!!! They are not going to spare any of us. You can’t give then any quarter, or any member of their family any quarter!!!! Because they sure as hell aren’t going to give your family any!!!

          What we need to do is turn this into an asymmetrical, 4th Generation, Guerrilla War. Trust me they have list’s with patriot’s names on them, well we need to put them on notice that we have lists too. List’s of politician, media talking heads,corrupt cops,judges,DA’s and college professors just to name a few. We need to make them afraid to walk out their door each morning, not knowing if they’ll ever see their family again.

        • Wonder Gal says:

          Before you do that – making widows & orphans – remember, spouses & kin of cops are usually the cream of the crop; law-abiding, self-disciplined, patriotic. So, if you’re smart, you want them to JOIN you. Before harming a LEO I recommend you (& others reading this) first offer them a chance to join the resistance. Make the offer clear, in a calm way.

          Most LEOs are good guys. DON’T START WITH ME about “all the cops -I- know are dirtballs”, no, friend, I’m not interested. You’re giving advice– so am I. It’s real hard to un-kill someone. Before you take a life, make sure you HAVE to.

          • Colt M4 says:

            Wonder Gal. If cops side with the government when the government tells them to take our guns, then the choice of what happens to them, and their family’s is made right then and there. You see, they take an oath when they become cops, just like men, and woman do when they join our military. So the choice as i see it is real simple, you ether uphold your oath to protect the Constitution, or you don’t! If you don’t up hold your oath, then you, and your family become our enemy. The oath i took does not have any expiration date, i, and many other man, and woman like me, would rather fight, and die then betray our oath to this country!

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Tar and feathers,
        Unfortunately the only way i have to apply tar is a 200gallon commercial pot that is heated with propane, gets a bit warmer than most can stand,,,,,,,

    4. Anonymous says:

      I was going to say that this bill is probably dead in the water like all of the previous ridiculous attempts at eviscerating the second amendment on a federal level. But then i saw the number of co-sponsors. How is it possible that 123 of our elected officials are willing to sponsor something like this?

      It might not pass this go round, or perhaps we get a watered down version of the bill but if the American people don’t get some of these people out of congress and put a Republican in office next year then we are screwed during the next administration.

      • Billy Hill says:

        put a Republican in office next year

        You idiot.

      • American-American says:

        We will be urged to “compromise” (the statists’ idea of compromise is to simply demand less). If they give up 80% of what they demand, after 5 tries they have gotten everything they wanted.

        Compromise is what’s gotten us to where we are today.

        • Cameraman says:

          Amen this is exactly the Problem, they will take out the Ban but keep the Registration, being that’s what they Want. Common sense Full Background Checks, once they KNOW where the Guns are and Who has them Simple, Pass the Ban then tell Mr and Mrs America to turn Them In!! These People are Pure Traitors and Should be Punished as Such, Screw the Primary, Rope Meet Pole!!!

          Semper Fi

      • My rep in New Mexico is a cosponsor… Michelle Lujan Grisham. I emailed her last night and objected to this and told her I will work against her in the next campaign. And I will.

    5. Anonymous says:

      Let’s just see what all ya’all do when they actually roll down your street and knock on doors. Still gonna be tough guys?
      Hope so, would like to think some freakin body has my back!

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        Anon, I believe everyone here will stand and do the right thing. I know damn well I’m not submitting.

        • Really??? says:

          Yup. I have a variety of things in mind for our leo’s if they try enforcing it. But we have a good sheriff, or so we think.

        • TEST says:

          A **massive, MASSIVE** number of Connecticut citizens did not submit to the gun control laws put in place there a couple years ago. Meanwhile, the sheriff of the largest county in NY state (I forget his name now) refused to enforce any gun laws there.

          What can you do?
          A.) Check out the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association http://cspoa.org and ****pass this site along to others!!!****

          B.) Download and copy/cut & paste excerpts from a EXTENSIVELY researched and footnoted document I wrote, at https://www.scribd.com/doc/134074309/Gun-Control-Fact-and-Fantasy-April-1. If you don’t like that, get Dr. John Lott’s book More Guns, Less Crime. Our battle is a totally non-violent one, one of education and information dissemination- USE the information you have been freely given. Get this information out, and you influence a hundred, or thousand people. You have a free source that took many, many hours to compose, and all you have to do is pick anything you like out of it and pass on to others.

          We will win when we inform, communicate and make cogent and winsome arguments. Ronald Reagan did it. So can we

          • Richard Head says:

            test

            Yes in Connecticut they didn’t register their guns. And that does give some hope. But they are all now felons and outlaws. I bet they are terrified to transport their “illegal” guns in their vehicles. They can not legally pass them down to their children. So really the hope begins to diminish in my mind. Because yes all though they were “required” to register, they chose to do no such thing, and by doing nothing, they did NOTHING. And that is how they will take your rights. Pencil whip them to death and most will do like Connecticut…..NOTHING. And I have asked this question before. Had there been any Men, who took the fight to their oppressors, not waiting for the friendly neighborhood policeman to pull him over search his car take his birth rights and throw him in prison. And these men began killing their oppressors who intend to strip them of their God given rights, or as the news would report, these “domestic terrorists” began killing “innocent” people. Would YOU support them. Not would you drive to Connecticut and fight side by side with them. Would you at the very least type your words of support against the “domestic terrorist” who killed an “innocent” police officer just sitting in his cruiser, or who killed an “innocent” politician or police chief?? If our rights are illegal, well then duh….we have no rights. So either we are going to fight for them or we’re not. We are unable or unwilling to recognize our enemies and are unwilling to admit what we will have to do. They will never go door to door all at once like some roving army of locusts looking to devour all of Americas guns all at once. Wake up people!! The fight started 11 rounds ago…. We just haven’t thrown any punches yet. I’m afraid it’s too late and the bell will ring and this fight will be determined by a unanimous decision.

            • Makemyday says:

              Richard Head:

              I see “Test” has NOT answered the questions you have put to HIM.

              If everyone would read his “longer than allowed” posts you will find a pacifist lurking there; at best.

              He is unable to post the truth about the “real PTB” who is bent on destroying the world. Never does his posts cover the enemy that has taken over DC and most governments of the world. Do any of you posters believe it is Nazi bankers that are destroying the world?

              If so, you have decided to become an ostrich. Stop swallowing long, drawn out posts that have nothing to do with what is going on with the PTB in todays world; or for that matter research who financed the Russian Revolution where millions of Christians died. You will find Goldman Sachs of New York did the financing. Ask yourself why that would be and why their dirty filthy golden fingers are disrupting the whole world. Are they Nazis or Muslims????? Hardly.

              Test does mention the Frankfurt School. Do a little research and you will find it is based on Karl Marx Communism/Bolshevism not Nazism for hell sakes.

              Gotta keep these posters at SHTF dumbed down as to who their true enemies really are.

              • John Q. Public says:

                “Gotta keep these posters at SHTF dumbed down as to who their true enemies really are.”

                TRULY! Beating out TEST in a close contest, the inanity award of the week goes to Mike in VA for his stupendously ignorant comment that nobody cared about innocent civilians until 65 years ago—completely ignoring over 1,500 years of Just War philosophy, morality that was overturned when Christendom was superseded by the Satan’s banksters, warmongers, and their worshipful Freemasonic footstools.

      • slingshot says:

        Anon

        How about putting a name up there so we know
        ” Which Anon” we are talking to. That would be a good start instead of worrying if “WE” are going to run.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Slingshot, it’s a real dilemma when someone posts here under the name anonymous. A lot of posts I’ve seen under that name have been some good, sensible posts, but we also get some trolls here on occasion that use that same name and post some BS. I can always tell the GOOD anons from the BAD anons. All the same I wish they would use something else, ANY kind of moniker to post under.

          • slingshot says:

            Braveheart1776

            What is the Big Deal?

            They can get you IP address. As for the trolls let them use ANON so we can bypass them easier. Those that use ANON don’t complain if you catch shit from the rest of us.

            • Anon 1970 says:

              I’m okay if you pass up my posts, but I don’t pass up yours and many others being a ‘newer’ poster (only a year or bit more).

              I’m here to learn.

              Sorry that I have kept an “anon” name but it works for me, as I don’t have much to share besides my rabid hatred of hillary.

              • slingshot says:

                ANON 1970

                You are different because you identify with 1970 at the end

                I’m talking about anon after anon with different thoughts and you can’t keep track of who is saying what. And they hide behind it by saying it was not them who made the statement.

              • Braveheart1776 says:

                Anon1970, I always enjoy your posts. I always knew you were a GOOD anon. We all share your hatred of Hillary. she needs to be pushing up daisies. You’re always welcome here.

          • Them Guys says:

            Braveheart: Maybe you can convince Mac to require some symbol after the anon part as ID eh?…I know! since Most such trolls will fit to a T or j maybe, hows about after “anonamous” trolls Must ad a circle with letter K in middle of circle aka the food lableing Kosher symbol type as Troll ID alert….Then we can have Fully approved Trolls!..They can even post a reply on Saturdays!

        • Them Guys says:

          Test Name one Dictator, Tyrant, Kommie leader, Fascist leader, Military Coup, take-over-etc etc that has EVER been defeated Via “phone bank calls” or “letter writing Campains” or Letters to local editors etc etc etc…

          in all history the PEN has Never Ever defeated Any such things/persons/dictators etc…ONLY one Thing Has worked.

          The S….W…O…R..D! when ever the issue has been between “The Pen Vs the Sword (or firearms in modern eras)”….Pen has Failed miserably always.

          Because Nations and Peoples Freedoms and Liberties have always been gained or won back etc VIA…BLOOD, Not INK.

          When all is said and done and tried…Save that Pen so you can stick it into some traitor bastards NECK! and Then see proper results attained…

          I am ALL for phones and pens and ink and campaings etc…It is just they do NOT work and have not so far..

          Today if 1 in every 100 is even willing to listen to truth or facts…and if you can then acumulate 10 of those folk, or 10 in every Thousand, you be lucky as a Loto winner if even One of that 10 of a thousand is willing to change mind…Then if you can find One in every TEN thousand willing to speak real Truth like Me and a few others here always does no matter who calls us what vile names etc?

          Then Test you have done very swell and perhaps there is still a chance we can avoid conflict eh. I wont hold breath on it though, for I have done what I wrote there for the Past 45 Years and if I converted one Dozen total folks?…Then my hat goes off to Me!..hate admitting to such vast failure but that too is Truth. “Maybe” just maybe I converted a dozen others also which I never shall realize due to their conversion came about due to they read what I wrote and actually did real facts research to achieve that awake wized up status..so ok perhaps its been Two dozens! in 45 years now.

          It is Very similar to how when say a group or gang of 4 or 5 bad ass types messes with you and you exhausted ALL words or methods to change hearts or minds from kicking Your ass badly…its why I always carry one or two firearms and has done so since age 15 yrs old in detroit.

          I only had a couple real adventures as described here…But EACH time when all else fails…And I yanked a gun from its concealed position and holster and pointed it direct at the ugly Face region of which ever of them 5 bad ass guys looked to be their Leader bad ass dude.

          Thats when I got Instant results Test!…In a split second time frame it went from 5 guys threats and shoves etc to do me great bodily Harm or worse!

          To my observation of 5 bad ass dudes almosy Crying and whimpering like a french Poodle when a Real sheep dog gets a grip on that poodles ass via its huge teeth..

          Now I suppose if I had a Pen and Ink, I coud have asked for phone numbers so we can Later chat and change minds or hearts…Or write a nice comment letter to their Biker Boss dude or their dope dealer boss and hope for best results…If I lived thru it all once they all five saw my Pen that is eh?

          Perhaps it should state something closer to “Folks write letters to educate etc…BUT Keep Loading every gun ya has and get more ammos and get ready for when that wont work as planned” because as I said prior it has never yet worked when its pen vs sword or ink vs blood…I hate this fact too but it is what it is right.

          • I agree with you on the pen/sword issue. I still use the pen. Assuming a democratic republic, it is our duty to inform them of what we want. If that fails, and they force revolution… it is on their head. Even the colonists expressed their grievances to the king for years before the revolution. I regularly email Obama and my reps with my grievances about laws, etc. It is part of the process under our Constitution. It also has me on lists, no doubt. But heck, they are on our lists for misbehavior. TPP gives up national sovereignty. .. who said they could do that? Treason.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Yea, im going to blow as many holes in as many of yall as i can,,, nobody lives forever

      • Freedom Dad says:

        Ill stand and ill die far before they take my guns. Even if only 3 of us show out to fight, we’ll still be the proud Americans we’ve always been.

        • McRuger says:

          I too will stand Freedom Dad even if i stand alone. I suspect that we are very close to an event similar to the Rancher in Nevada incident…. a single event that will cause patriots to mass in order to support an individual against a gross violation of our rights and it will begine.

    6. Wade says:

      I`ve been saying this for a little while now, but I am done listening to and/or obeying any new law that the government passes. I will call and urge the defeat of this bill, but in the unthinkable even t this would become law, I will not only ignore,but flout it.
      Think to pass and enforce it,then I believe that any and all options are on the table.
      If their addresses are out in the open, even better.

    7. Asshat says:

      This legislation is intended to criminalize gun owners. This stuff is out there common in every gun collection. It damn near is the end of our right to bear. People are stupid if they abide by this and get rid of these weapons. I’m sure there will be Australian type buy backs to supplement this. People need to sling their rifles and occupy the state capitals. Intimidation will change their decision. Strong arm tactics do work just not enough men have the balls the old timers did. We will lose our rights eventually. People will sit by and do nothing. Sheep

    8. Braveheart1776 says:

      Anon, even if the bill doesn’t pass, the chimp-in-chief can still come up with an EO doing the same damn thing. No matter how it’s done, it means war.

    9. Black Cat says:

      After being a part of the “community” for quiet a few years now I have come to the conclusion that we really don’t have a chance in hell of changing things through our current system (obvious right) I know most of us won’t admitt it and many realize that parts of it will be horrendous but in my opinion we will need some type of rallying caytalistic event to motivate us enough to finally put an end to what is certifiable insanity from all branches of big business and government. I say bring on this event let us have a real chance for change and stand with me my brothers for I will stand with you for freedom and liberty for all.

    10. Archivist says:

      I and everyone I know will ignore the hell out of this law if it passes.

      It actually, in so many words, states that it will infringe on the right to bear arms. Therefore, ignore the hell out of it.

    11. rellik says:

      It will never make it into a law.
      If it does fuck them, I will not obey.

    12. Magnum says:

      Two suggestions – call your congressman and senators, and two, join the NRA. They have the ability to sway votes in either party, which is critical. We need some Democrats to break ranks with the president, and they will, given enough pressure.

    13. slingshot says:

      Pass the Damn Bill and let’s get this war started.

      This President and his administration has called us Traitors, Terrorists, Cowards, Unpatriotic, Extreme Bible and Gun Toters.

      Well Add Criminal to the lists, You Fucking Communist!

      All I want to know is who is first on the list.

      • Godsoldier says:

        Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt you but bullets will put a hole in you or them

        • slingshot says:

          Godsoldier

          On another note they plan to outlaw body armor to include Level Four Protection. Level 3a can protect from pistol ammo. Level 3, some rifle but level 4 is armor piercing. They want to take away level 3 and 4 so they can be sure to kill you.

          Guess we will see how Jade Helm fits in it all.

        • Karl V. says:

          The rumor is that sticks and stones will be named in a future weapons ban: any stick more than a foot long, and all stones weighing more than ten grams. Possession of a masonry walkway will be sufficient grounds for suspicion of Domestic Terrorism. Ditto for owning trees. Mandatory registration of baseball bats and hockey sticks. Background check and two week waiting period to purchase bricks or cobblestones. Cast-iron skillets will be outlawed completely. Getting caught with a BBQ skewer will bring an automatic three-year sentence. And since nobody actually writes any more (or needs to, what with keyboards on everything from phones to sneakers), those sharp, dangerous pencils are going to come under severe scrutiny as well.

          We should all be on our knees with gratitude that our devoted Public Servants are zealously caring for our safety and well-being. Actually, they are willing to overlook the gratitude, as long as we are on our knees.

        • Them Guys says:

          Anybody Recall what sen Diane Finestien said when confronted about the Fact that she, while being a top Leader of all antigun fanatics in the entire Nation as well as entire elected officials, also carries a CCW concealed Gun?

          I do recall what her statement/excuse was..Paraphraseing here from my memory of aprox 15 yrs ago now… But Finestein said: “I was leaving the Hospital after a visit to my Husband who was inside as a patient…and as I walked in the covered parking garage zone, at 9:00PM night time and Dark out, I heard footsteps, and when I turned to look, I saw a Man I never before saw or knew walking Towards Me while I was still headed to my auto. It was then and There! Folks…That I decided My Life is Mine! and Nobody has any right to mess with it or me or attempt to do me harm or rape…So the next Day I went to buy a Ruger SP-101-357 Cal. Revolver and put into my Handbag or pocket for MY self defense which is a RIGHT! I have to do so!”

          Okay I know a few here recalls that issue by her…Picture idiots and sara brady type antigun clowns that do vote to destroy Our rights…Be it 2nd amendt or others too…Suppose what results would be if she got so fearfull from heard footsteps and saw a Man walk in Her direction, and if instead it was closer to “Gee EVERY time I exit the us senate, or my Own House and travel by auto to ANY destination, any wheres, and when I look in Rear View Car mirror ALL I see every time is Two or More other vehicles constantly following behind me and they wont back off or go elsewheres!”

          Now Picture as many as you can of the 70-Million or more usa retired citizens whos progun types with tons time and Gas money at hand and Can spend all day or night just tagging along Behind some asshole misguided fool antigun senator or us rep who so desires removal of OUR God Granted Rights or Guns eh?

          ZERO Laws violated…ZERO Harm caused…Just mucho lots and tons of Anxiety Galore for that foolsh idiot.

          Of course it will be better yet if each tag car has Two or four persons in car, and each is a Mean SOB looking type Male…The type that can scare folks silly simply by stareing at someone even when done in a 100% innocent fashion stare…If she got so scared in that parking garage after Dark?…this type plan may really change such minds and hearts as she has eh?

          It be worse than to see a Cop squad car in rear view mirror!…Diane/Chuck/Mike B…”Hey! Just WHO Are “Them Guys”? following me every day every wheres I ever travel to or from?

          Actions speaks louder than words/letters/phone calls right?….Form Tag Teams! Tag all 535 Members! Every wheres always! while obey all traffic laws etc and remain civil always…But Look Mean as hell if you have that “Gift Look” as some guys has.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        4g wf
        Top down, all departments

      • FreeSlave says:

        “All I want to know is who is first on the list.”

        Slingshot, you get first shot. Who’s first on your list?

      • GunRights=Stupid says:

        Someone doesn’t know what a communist is. And if you think that you could put up even a momentary fight vs the US military you’re an idiot.

        • anonlady says:

          Frankly if our elected officials infringe on our rights then I don’t have but one word for them…treasonous and that is all that matters since they will be the ones breaking the absolute laws that we have been governed by since our founding fathers decreed it!
          You are indeed correct that we cannot truly stand up to our military if it is used against us. I guess that comes down to how many of those patriots would truly want to start another civil war and kill their own and there lies the crux because I am sure that many of them have family members who will not go quietly into the NWO. My main question is why is Obozo allowing so many refugees and illegals in because they certainly would do ANYTHING he wanted if it meant instant citizenship and the problem of American against American would be solved!

    14. What a great time to be alive. Seriously.
      The DC crowd overestimate the power of edicts and decrees. That old document the Constitution is alive in the heart of Patriots and we shall not relinquish our birthright without a serious fight. Shall not be infringed.
      The 2nd is nothing short our guarantee to defeat would be tyrants with the same weaponry our military would have. This is also why our Founder’s warned us about standing armies as tyrants will try to unleash them on the people.
      I believe the Feds will unleash a false flag that will be blamed on gun owners and anyone that tries to keep their 2nd as it was originally gifted.
      The lawless one is working hard as his term winds down. but will attempt anything to stay in power. From the belly of the beast…

    15. Braveheart1776 says:

      Slingshot, yeah let them go ahead and screw up royally. they have no idea what they’re in for.

      • slingshot says:

        Braveheart1776

        There has been plenty of people who have stuck their necks out here on SHTF. They can make it a crime to help people become self sufficient and that includes the Gals also. To tell you the truth we have not even started to discuss the bad shit and JJ being a SEAL knows what that is all about. There are many teachers in the wings. Just by posting here has put us on some list so what the fuck does it matter any more. To quote Hillary. Fucking “A” Right Hillary. I am a DEAD MAN by either Age or your goons knocking at my door.

        They leave us no choice.

        Gear Up.

        Are You Ready!

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Sling, I’ve most likely been on lists going back to the Clinton era and I’ve never cared about that. I’ve always stood for what I know is right and any consequences be damned. The writing is on the wall as clear as anyone can make it. FYI, go to allnewspipeline.com and check the article on a gun confiscation law been proposed in the IL legislature. Sgt. Dale and the other IL posters here need to look at that ASAP. That was sneaked in while we were all concerned with the proposal in congress.

    16. Really??? says:

      I’ll worry about it when it actually gets through the House.

      Until then I stock up on ammo and parts, as should the rest of you.

    17. Majik8ball says:

      Meanwhile, Obama trains and arms Syrian “rebels” with a lot more than just semi auto’s.
      These Syrian “rebels” are in a fight against their tyrannical dictator.
      Will the US government do the same for Americans fighting to rid America of its tyrannical dictators?

    18. Amos Moses says:

      Unlike much of the threats we have looked at on sites like this, I happen to believe that it is REAL and Ohomo will get something like this passed by hook or by crook asap.

      He desperately needs civil unrest to declare Martial Law and would love-love-LOVE to pin it on we Patriots!

      It is now time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!

      • Really??? says:

        Be slow to anger.

        • Amos Moses says:

          Anger is not the issue. There is a simple rule among Theologians. We Christians are to obey whatever Government placed over us unless, “Government calls for us to do what God forbids, or forbids us to do what God commands”.
          (Dr. R.C. Sproul)

          To remove the tools of self defense, given the dangers in today’s society, places our Government’s goals against what is best for the American people. Thus it should be resisted!

          As a wise man once said, “Being a Christian, or following the Constitution, IS NOT A SUICIDE PACT”.

          • 1vet says:

            Psalm 18:32-34 the God who equipped me with strength and made my way blameless.
            He made my feet like the feet of a deer and set me secure on the heights. He trains my
            hands for war, so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.

        • slingshot says:

          Really???

          Hahahahahahaha! Oh I get it. But, Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

          • 1vet says:

            Christian soldiers have shown their fighting merit throughout our countries history…

            I consider you a friend and fellow patriot S.S. but giving respect to another patriot, whether Christian or atheist costs nothing…

            If the man who has my six doesn’t believe I would still give my life in his defense…

            The time is now coming where we had better come together for the greater good of our sons and daughters…

    19. Thor says:

      What part of GUN sales are up don’t they understand. With terrorists preparing to assault us, crime and home invasions up, an economic collapse looming and our government that doesn’t care about ” American lives matter “!!! Want to take away American rights while arming terrorists. What part of their oath of office do they not understand??? To defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and what part of the Constitution do they not understand??? Shall not be infringed!!! I think they know what is coming in the next fraudulent election and are extremely worried. That is why Democrats are endorsing it. All I can say is there are more gun owners at this point , I have heard it’s close to 67% now of people who are old enough to own and not convicted felons. That means 2/3 of Americans!!! Do they think a Democrats will get elected??? Hahaha morons!!!

    20. Tn songwriter says:

      If Paul Ryan folds like he did on the budget, it will pass

      • WIprepped says:

        Was a Ryan & Ron johnson fan, but no more. They all talk good but using the argument to get along with dems is good for our country is bullshit.
        Hope everyone here has enough ammo for the rest of their days because that will be cut off next.
        Molon labe

    21. Braveheart1776 says:

      HEADS UP EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY FOR ALL POSTERS WHO LIVE IN IL. allnewspipeline.com/IL_beta_testing_gun_confiscation_law.php

      • 1vet says:

        I would rather obola just sign an executive order and let’s do it…

        The spineless global/demorat/Marxists/socialist wimps are afraid openly try to abolish the 2nd amendment…

        I say this now, if we are disarmed, next they will come for your property, place you into forced labor and if you are lucky you will work and die old, die alone (your family will toil elsewhere), owning nothing, a mere worker ant in the collective…

        or???

        You’ll be taken out back and be made to kneel and shot in the back of the head outright (especially if viewed as an unrepentant patriot)…

        Don’t believe me???

        Get one of the “old” history books (not the one in schools today) and read about the Holocaust.

        Looking at the beta test confiscation in Illinois, it looks like that will be an evaluation tool to gauge resistance. If your alone up there and are a patriot Texas welcomes you ’cause ya’ll sure elected some winners, but then I guess we all have…

    22. James says:

      Well even if the guns could be modified to only accept the limit of 10 rounds, Gunsmiths, legal or not, would be able to convert them to accept the higher limit magazine amounts. Also, you should be able to buy an unlimited number of ten round clips, and magazines, and load them up to do the same things as a large capacity clip or magazine. I have always said that, “what one human can devise, another human can counter-devise”.

    23. James says:

      You can make crossbows that can be just as effective as a gun. You can hide out and shoot someone without letting them know where you are since they are almost noise-less.

      • john stiner says:

        You can hit them in the head with a rock too. How are you going to fight tyranny like that?

        Your cross bow would have the equivalent of a liberator pistol.

        • Anonymous says:

          You show that you don’t know much about non-firearm weaponry, john stiner. Your guns are obsolete. The powers-that-be can deprive you of the guns and ammunition you’ve got, prohibit you from getting any more of it and, they have astronomically more of it than you ever could. Firearms were adopted by craven commanders for use by untrained civilian masses to turn enemy untrained civilian masses on both sides into cannon fodder. You hit someone with a rock correctly, you’ll make their gun worthless to them. You need to learn how, or be useless to yourself and to anyone else’ campaign for liberty. Good slingers can kill at up to 400 meters but, that does take more skill–200 meters would be more usual. Good crossbows can have the power of a rifle at more than 400 meters. So can longbows. They can also be made semi-automatic–without modern technology such as electricity. Arbalests can have the power of artillery rounds–by kinetic energy, not explosives– and also be made to be semi-automatic. Trebuchets can destroy your modern cities. Yet, it doesn’t take an explosive or a kinetic weapon to disable a main battle tank. But, with kinetic force and potential incendiaries as well, medieval weapons can destroy the entire U.S. infrastructure that props up the powers-that-be just as surely as would their explosives. Lasers and biological weapons existed in ancient warfare as well as flamethrowers. William the Conqueror waged the real equivalent of nuclear war on northern England which his victims’ descendants have yet to fully recover from, economically. Genghis Khan did the same with his medieval technology to the classical world of Persia, Parthia, Bactria and other renowned high civilizations that are now ghosttowns in the now unusable deserts that Timujin’s forces created. Atilla the Hun would put modern government and their “ISIS” to flight in terror of his tactics. These ancient forces that you think you could decimate by firearms would level your firearm-and-high-tech-and-amenity-dependent militaries and annihilate your modern civilizations that you’re enslaved to. And, they can easily be brought back to life by those who are not limited to modern mindsets. They will defeat the modern powers-that-be and save the unworthy-of-being-saved from slavery, if anyone is to be saved.

          • I agree with your take on this matter. People cannot be enslaved if they choose not to be. Once had a man hit me from behind. Not enough to take me down, just enough to hurt. I came around with a cast iron griddle and knocked him to the ground. He crawled out of my house because I was willing to kill him if he got up. He scared me so bad I would have done it. He was my husband’s cousin who was staying with us. Instant homeless. If I had gone down he would never have slept safely. P.S. I also have a slingshot. Amazing power in it. I am practise for small game. One of these days…

    24. Amos Moses says:

      One of God’s Ten Commandments to Moses (No Relation) was “You shall not murder”. Thus God established the value of an innocent human life. Therefore, as human life is “valued” by God, it MUST be defended/protected from those who would murder.

      The history of the past Century is filled with 100+ million citizens “murdered” by their own Socialist Governments and it is THE DUTY of all men of good moral character to stand up to this tyranny!

      Our world is filled with two pure evils, Socialism and Islam. Both MUST be fought with every once of strength that every Patriot has, as both are anti-Christ!

    25. slingshot says:

      Text of HR0855 – 2ND AMEND-NOT INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, below and can be found at http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/99/HR/09900HR0855.htm:

    26. Mo L. Onlabe says:

      Best thing to do is hide them. Wait out Obama’s term so he can’t become King with civil unrest. Yes, we may get Hillary in his place, but I fear Obama is much more dangerous.

    27. Jim in Va. says:

      Hear the thunder? That’s the public coming for the politicians. There’s a storm coming…..

      • john w. says:

        They went house to house in Boston without so much as a whimper. They will do it again only this time they will tear houses apart to search. I have very little belief that the public will do anything. Just kick the can down the road. If this passes I will then be fairly confident that Obama is not leaving office.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          I can see it happening in cities like Boston, NY, LA, San Fransisco, Seattle, to name a few. But in small towns and rural areas it will be totally different. Country people won’t give up anything.

          • Oh, no, you are very wrong! Country people will give up a lot. They will give up their ammo, one round at a time. Let the feds come. Many know that once the guns are gone there is no America left. Clearly there are some that are will to give everything to preserve that America. It would be suicide for the District of Criminals to attempt the removal of the arms from American possession. Come and take them if you think you can.

            • Braveheart1776 says:

              NetRanger, sorry for any misunderstanding. I meant to say that country people won’t give up their GUNS. I’ll also ‘give up ammo’, one round at a time, LOL. We all know that if the guns are taken it’s all over. I’ll waste anyone who thinks they can take mine.

            • Kulafarmer says:

              NR
              This is why i make no bones about my position on this,,,,
              Try and people will hurt

        • slingshot says:

          John W.

          That was one city. Might be different for the whole nation. Bostonians were the Foundation of Liberty. Far cry from it now.

      • Mike in VA says:

        Yes and the thunder is getting closer.

        I don’t think this bill passes. If it does then I believe they just crossed a line of no return. Someone said in an earlier post we could see a watered down version. That is how they take away freedom.

        They never do it all at once. Just one small piece at a time. This coming year may be a very bad year.

        • John Q. Public says:

          Mike in VA said, “Only in about the past 65 years has this country or any other for that matter claimed to care about civilian casualties.”

          Read St. Thomas Aquinas (13th century A.D.) on just war, Summa Theologica, Part II, Question 40:
          “In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign by whose command the war is to be waged. …Secondly, a just cause is required… Thirdly, it is necessary that the belligerents should have a rightful intention, so that they intend the advancement of good, or the avoidance of evil….” He specifically condemns “slaying and plundering.”

          And long before St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine (4-5th century A.D.), the Father of Just War Theory, insisted on just authority, a just cause, right conduct in war (“jus in bello”), proportionality of response, and discrimination between combatants and non-combatants.

    28. slingshot says:

      I bet they are going to ram this through as some terrorist act is carried out somewhere in the Country.

      Tie the Patriot to the terrorist is their goal.

    29. Braveheart1776 says:

      Sling, I think that’s their game plan. The right mass-casualty attack aka false-flag will get the bill rammed through. They would HAVE to bring in foreign troops aka “UN peacekeepers” for any massive attempt at confiscation, then it will have to be GAME ON.

      • john w. says:

        False flag? You idiot. They have enough terrorists on the payroll to stage events everyday. The Muslims being brought in must have requested that we be disarmed.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          John W., it doesn’t matter so much WHO they use to stage the event and I’m sure the muslims, Russians, Chinese, and EVERYONE who wants a piece of the action wants us to be disarmed. Just who the hell do you think the feds will use? They know damned well they don’t have the manpower even with state, county,local cops and the US military to carry it out. Hell, 50-80% of the US military is overseas so you can count them out. They have no choice but to bring in “foreign help” for attempts at gun confiscation. Not to mention there’s around 100,000,000 gun owners in this country and at least half of all households with gunowners have at least 2 guns and possibly more. I’ve heard over the years estimates of anywhere between 200 million to 250 million guns in the hands of citizens out there. So tell me how you think that many guns can be confiscated, moron.

          • Braveheart1776 says:

            John W., still waiting on that explanantion.

            • Braveheart1776 says:

              John W., so you can’t explain it, eh? [CRICKETS CHIRPING] It figures, so I got you on something again.

              • john w. says:

                Braveheart,

                I don’t live on this website. I posted last night just before shutting down. My basic belief is that there is nothing I would not expect the ruling class to do to hose us. They are going for complete control. Despite all the posts of bravery and resistance on this website I expect the reality to be far different. A nation wide Boston house to house home invasion search is what will play out. Who is going to get their wife and kids killed? You all better come up with a better game plan than fighting it out from your homes. I honestly have no solution to this as every time they get set back they come back twice as hard. Trump is the only one I can remember ever hitting back at the entrenched power structure. Just remember they now have control of the schools, media and in many cases even the churches. You also really need to take a lower profile online. Then again like all the most vocal agitators in the anti war movement maybe you are one of them. You know a govt. agitator.

                • slingshot says:

                  John W.

                  Good point about wife and kids.

                  Son is out and married. Told wife to leave and move away from the house.

                  Then I will have no problem shooting through internal walls. Hope to keep “non sighted” projectiles within the structure if breached.

                  Stand in the middle of your home and determine what obstructions are on the other side of the wall. How many walls, dressers, beds, tables, refridgerators, stove, electrical and water lines. Know you inside as well as the outside.

                  • Them Guys says:

                    John W Finally has it almost figured out!! Bravo!

                    About the ONLY issue John W still refuses to accept nor admit to is the WHOM’S it is with all that total controls over usa’s everything what matters.

                    Thats the tricky parts eh John?…For even after being presented with tons and tons of actual factual truthfull documentations, actual Quoted damning statements by various members of that taboo to name group…and even tons of valid proof Links and articles even From their own Two major Israel state published newspapers as well as many such publications in NY/usa such as their usa number one main major Magazine monthly aka “Foreward” monthly…You still refuse to admit to real truth eh?

                    it Must be All them “Muslims” with names like schumer or finestein and bloomberg or goldman and sachs or Rothschilds right?…Damn Ismalic baddys has hyjacked usa govnt and msm media and Banks too Oy Vey!

                • Braveheart1776 says:

                  John W., OK. You made a few points I can agree with. I agree TPTB will stop at nothing to have total control over us. Home invasion searches in all the cities will play out, I expect that. But small towns are rural areas will experience a lot of resistance. They’re NOT urban areas and nothing like city people. I’m heading back from the family BOL after a few days of R&R, plus practicing my survival skills. Took another load of my supplies there again. When it’s finally time for me to BUGOUT, I’ll be gone in just a matter of minutes. Trump does talk a BETTER game than any of the other candidates and is saying things the others won’t DARE to say, but is he a serious candidate? Time will tell. I’ll be back at the BOL BEFORE the balloon goes up. And no, I’m NOT anyone’s agitator, ESPECIALLY NOT FOR ANYONE’S GOVT. Believe what you want. And I realize they’ve been controlling the schools, media, and churches forever. I may take your advice about lowering my profile. I don’t live on the site either, despite what some people may think. In fact, I’m starting to get a better impression of you. I get the feeling you actually sounded sincere for a change. In that case, I’ll apologize right here and now for calling you a troll. Looks like I misjudged you. Take care, and I really mean that.

                • Anonymous says:

                  “Wife and kids” will be killed by not taking a stand to repel home invasions. …Better be armored, if you are worried about being killed.

          • grandee says:

            “Just who the hell do you think the feds will use?”

            from CNN:

            Over the weekend, eight people died in flash flooding, including four international soldiers temporarily stationed at Fort Leonard Wood for training.

            Two soldiers found in the car Saturday night had drowned. The bodies of the other two soldiers were found Sunday morning.

            “The possibility of a fifth occupant of the car exists, since an acquaintance of the above men is still missing,” the sheriff’s office said.

            ~**The names and nationalities of the four soldiers have not been released.~**

            ht tp://www.cnn.com/2015/12/28/us/severe-weather-us/index.html

            • Braveheart1776 says:

              John W., I’ll try to be more careful. I’ve just become so sick to death of political correctness over the years and it only gets worse. Have you ever noticed that only WHITE PEOPLE are told to watch what they say about anything or anyone? Don’t you find it strange that the same advice is NEVER given to any MINORITY PEOPLE? Until I found this site back in 2012, I got barred from one MSM site after another because of my “opposing viewpoints.” The last MSM site I was at was huffpost.com, one of the most radical MSM sites you ever saw. They’ll put you out so fast it’ll make your head spin. In my mind, all the PC crap is censorship aimed at white people and no one else. I believe that’s wrong. Double standards are never legitimate. I don’t care how anyone tries to rationalize them. Nowadays, when someone tells me to watch what I say, I tell them if you don’t apply that to everyone, then you can’t apply it at all. It’s just that I feel threatened by all this BS that we’re all facing. I wish none of it was happening. I wish somehow we could all work out our problems peacefully, get a good economy back, and get this country back on the right track. I know, I know, I’m dreaming. I just refuse to be a pushover for anyone or let anyone with evil intentions toward me have their own way with me. I’ll try to tone it down, but my position is not going to change. I believe everyone here feels the same way I do, even if they don’t admit to it. None of us wants what’s coming down the road, but I’m not shying away from a fight. Take care.

    30. TEST says:

      Ex-Secret Service agent Mike Bogino was correct when he said about the whole gun grabber agenda “There is no such thing as gun control, there’s only people control.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8WLXhahw_A&feature=player_embedded#t=81s.

      Bodino concludes by noting the right to own guns is not granted by legislator, any more than the right to free speech or the right of free assembly. Rather, the right to these – as well as the right to own firearms – is intrinsically the citizens right, and recognized, not granted. And the reason, Bodino notes, is that we live in a society of wolves – and you cannot fight back by creating more sheep.

      Bogino’s sentiments were echoed by Cuban refugee, Manuel Martinez, who noted in his halting English testimony before the Oregon state government that “In 1957 a Revolution … individuals … malicious individuals, masquerading as Democrats, revolutionaries, established a regime … a dictatorial regime … in my nation. Called Communism, Socialism, Stalinism, Marxism, and whatever other named -ism you want to put on it. The reason why it was done was to take away the guns from the People. The right of the people to wear guns. That is a God-given Right. It’s not given by anybody. It’s not given by any group. It’s the same thing as freedom, which is a God-given Right. And no one, absolutely no one, has the authority to take it away. To cease to defend the Second Amendment, and my God-given Right of freedom, will cease only with my death.Gun Control does not protect anybody. It doesn’t protect the citizens, it doesn’t protect the People. The only reason for gun control is for the Government to be protected from the Citizens. In that way the Government can manipulate the People and subjugate them. That’s what’s happened in Cuba for 52 years … 54.” The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ABw6IMKn0&feature=player_embedded#t=78s

      Interestingly, even in Piers Morgan’s England, Sir William Blackstone, in his 1765 Commentaries on the Laws of England, a seminal work that profoundly influenced America’s founders, said that having arms for defense is a “natural right of resistance and self-preservation.”

      Now… as you reflect on these quotes, call to mind quotes of gun control fanatics like Rep. Jerrold Nadler (Communist – NY) who told a reporter: “the state should have a monopoly on legitimate violence.” Of course, Nadler did not define what “legitimate violence” is, or who gets to define it, or in what circumstances it is defined. The truth is, as Bob Livingston states, “When the state has “a monopoly on legitimate violence,” Americans are no longer citizens; they are subjects. Americans will not become subjects.” It is for precisely this reason that writer Robert Anderson wrote in Gun Control and Political Correctness “Citizen gun ownership is ultimately a form of “insurance” for a future, unknowable risk. Switzerland, as well as our own country, has acknowledged and practiced this form of “insurance” for a long time. We all know gun ownership by citizens can impose heavy costs, but they are costs dwarfed by the greater horror of millions of future citizens being denied any means to defend themselves against an evil government slaughtering them with impunity.”

      • Anonymous says:

        That government currently slaughters them one by one, with impunity since, the people cower and surrender to it for want of applause from others.

        • Who is currently being slaughtered one by one for their guns? That law will not pass, it is to appease the far left wing. Just like repeal of Obama care is voted on 100 times to appease far right wing. Our government is street theater to cover up theft.

    31. TEST says:

      But… just in case you are still unconvinced, let me add a few more Founding Father quotes for your reading pleasure: Richard Henry Lee wrote “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them”; Samuel Adams stated “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms”; Patrick Henry added “”Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

      And finally, Thomas Jefferson stated, “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government…When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

      You will note that the Founding Fathers envisioned the ownership of guns not just for hunting, or self-defense, but also to protect against tyranny. British General Howe disarmed Philadelphia in 1778, and his counterpart Gen. Gage had done the same the previous year in Boston. Tench Coxe, a lesser-known Founding Father discussed this very issue in an article in the Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1778, stating: “[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” Are we really that much more removed from the danger of tyranny today than back then? And if you answer in the affirmative, on what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Certainly, modern writers like Edward Abbey, who wrote “An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny” echo exactly what Founding Fathers like George Mason, a delegate from Virginia to the United States Constitutional Convention, who once made the following thought provoking statement, stated about arms allowing us to resist tyranny: “[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.”

      As Tim Young states in Personal Liberty, that “The Constitution was written with revolution in mind, not the peace that we have internally had for about 150 years now. I say 150 years, because we fought ourselves with our armed militias in the Civil War; we have been lucky to have had internal peace since then. But you can’t closed-mindedly say that the 2nd Amendment was for limited weapons. It just wasn’t. It was meant to keep people on the same level as the government so that they could fight for their rights if necessary.” http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/07/pointcounterpoint-your-2nd-amendment-rights/ And also of note re. the 2nd Amendment – the Constitution says it guarantees, not grants, our gun rights. There is all the difference in the world between those two verbs! As a matter of fact, as Robert Steed, of Vernon, CT., noted in his state’s gun control hearings after Sandy Hook, the Constitution does not guarantee public safety – rather it guarantees liberty. Listen to Steed, himself, speak at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ledhyTAE2zo&feature=player_embedded#t=0s (6:43 min).

    32. Movin on says:

      Kula farmer….contact me via DD & redi2go

    33. TEST says:

      The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the public at large does not succumb to tyranny. And in fact, the public at large is the militia – the whole of the people – composed of citizen soldiers from the community, whose very reason d’etre is to defend the community, by carrying weapons comparable to what individual soldiers would have. And what part of “shall not be infringed” do the gun grabbers not get? How much more explicit does the Constitution need to be?

      In fact, one Tienanmen Square survivor, who emigrated and moved to the US (before it, too, went communist), had virtually the exact same words to say about guns, freedom and liberty as those “dead white guys,” the Founding Fathers. His six minute address is at at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEmIfhfxuc&feature=player_embedded#t=0s, or, to summarize his salient points:

      ”The power of the government is derived from the consent of the governed.”

      Chinese patriots in Tiananmen were crushed by “AK-47′s” because they could “not fight back” as they “were not armed.”

      The argument “that a man with a rifle has no standing against the military technology and machine of today” is ridiculous. 20,000,000 residents of Beijing would have quickly proved that wrong had they been armed in 1989.

      ”When a government turns criminal, when a government turns deranged, the body count will not be 5, 10, or even 20. It will be in hundreds like Tiananmen Square, it will be in the millions…

      ”When a government has a monopoly on guns, it has absolute power.”

      ”When a government has all the guns, it has all the rights.”
      ”To me, a rifle is not for sporting or hunting. It is an instrument of freedom. It guarantees that I cannot be coerced, that I have free will, that I am a free man.”

      Here is a man we you just MIGHT wnat to listen to, unless you want to end up like oppressive China ourselves.

      And let’s leave behind Ronald Reagan, whom the mindless leftists refuse – as a matter of intellectual dishonesty – to listen to. Rather, how about Hubert Humphrey, Democrat vice president under LBJ. Here’s his thoughts on guns: “The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.”

      Earlier, John F. Kennedy similarly noted, “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life.” Hardly Dianne Feinstein! This is clearly at odds with New York governor Cuomo’s statement in 2013 that “What the extremists do is spread fear and unrealistic theories of conspiracies and the citizenry that needs to be armed because the government is possibly tyrannical, and they need their arms to defend themselves against the tyrannical government.” Does Cuomo think JFK, Hubert Humphrey, as well as the other significant Americans quoted are “extremists?”

      Oh wait. These people are also intellectually dishonest, too, so don’t ask.

    34. Kevin2 says:

      Neal Knox, the founder of the NRA ILA, Attorney and hard core 2nd Amendment advocate wrote, “The Knox Report” in Shotgun News until his death over a decade ago. One of his articles tracked mass shootings with pending anti gun legislation. If anyone has it please post a link. Regardless something is fishy with the frequency as math doesn’t lie.

      I don’t bother to engage hard core anti gun liberals in a debate. Its the sporting shooter with their Browning Over Under Trap Gun and hunter that occupies the political victory or loss. They can too frequently accept appeasement which only means delaying taking their firearm. The real gun that TPTB want is the scoped, long range, highly accurate rifle. They haven’t yet figured out a way to demonize such a common rifle.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        Kevin2, I used to read Neal Knox’s articles back in the day. Just google his name and they’ll turn up somewhere. He was one of the few people at NRA who was a ‘straight shooter’ [PUN INTENDED].

        • Kevin2 says:

          At one time I had his home phone number. Both he an Aaron Zelman (let him be known for good) of JPFO were acquaintances. The 2nd Amendment lost two great supporters.

          I could never find that specific Knox Report mentioned above searching. It came out about 1990 or 91.

    35. KILL THE LIBERALS, TRAITORS OF AMERICA says:

      Here in Hawaii we Have More Liberal Scum Than Most , SO WTSHTF………….We Will Be Very Busy, And We Will Receive Much Bounty from our Sheeple Liberal Scumbags. Like Mostly Tampons from Our Many Bleeding Mangina’s , Here In Hawaii The Women Sometimes have Bigger Balls and a Harder Punch Than Our Transplanted Cuntifornians from Cali.
      Hawaii , May be Screwed But Hopefully We Can Send/Take Plenty To HELL With US.
      WTSHTF: PURGE THE Traitors/Hater LIBERALS. Gleem ALL SOCIAL MEDIA INTEL/Info , Save it , USE IT WTSHTF.

    36. I just took a look at that bill. My rep Michelle Lujan Grisham of NM is a cosponsor.I took a moment to email her to object to the bill and promise to work to get her out of office. I urge all of you to click on the link I the article. All the sponsors are on page 1. If you’re rep in there, please contact them and let them know you will campaign for their removal.

    37. 1vet says:

      They could care less about peoples safety, they want control: control is POWER…

      Looking at the countries situation, confiscation every gun from 300 plus million people makes no sense…

      We will lose our freedom and will become slaves to TPTB.
      They will take your property for redistribution and you will toil at your worker ant location…

      Unrepentant patriots will be killed outright somewhere near this time…

      FUCK ‘EM…

    38. slingshot says:

      We shall see how this pans out. If and when this passes I will move on. No more time spent here. Those reading this post should pull the information they desire now from the internet. That info will be censored for sure.

    39. Billy says:

      I hope my post here is wrong how the future plays out, I’d rather look foolish than right; but if a bill like this becomes law it won’t end well. Trying to take away guns by outlawing them and expecting citizens to willfully hand them over simply will not work (well, maybe with a tiny fraction). The gov’t knows trying to forcefully take them away would in turn cause bigger problems so they will set a “generous” time frame to have all personal firearms surrendered within a specific period. For example, several months to a year. They probably already know there will be massive non-compliance so after that an amnesty period could be established with a new time frame to hand over the guns, and maybe even offering buy-backs. These measures would be tried to make the gov’t look reasonable or rational. Meanwhile we will see a massive 24/7 effort to propagandize the public against guns and private gun ownership; and possible false flag events. American citizens who own guns will be called criminals, terrorists, or labeled as psychos and ridiculed. These measures too will ultimately not be successful; therefore the gov’t would eventually resort to “special actions and conditions” to facilitate confiscation. State and local authorities would be compelled to assist in this scheme; some will, some won’t.
      Laws permitting confiscation could not take place without the collusion of both political parties. By necessity, other restrictive laws that would certainly damage many of our rights would have to be passed at the same time. So all of society would be negatively affected, not just gun owners. If it got to that point the politicians know there would be a huge turnout the very next election and that many if not most would promptly be voted out of office. So it is possible they would post-pone or even cancel elections. The overwhelming majority of legal gun owners (99.98%) have never and will never commit crime with a gun, so this is not about controlling crime; in reality this is about eliminating a right that empowers us against tyranny. For all the good it does contact your representatives and tell them do not support any bill that tries to strip away any of our GOD-given rights. The gov’t does not have any legitimate power to do so.

    40. stan says:

      If we think that the republicans wont cave on this sooner or later we are all fools…

    41. Philosopher says:

      Good luck finding my guns, gun parts, ammo, ammo parts, ammo reloading stuff and ammo parts. What are they going to do? Tear up the homes, barns and land of 100,000,000 citizens? Good luck with that foolishness. Heck they have plenty of laws in Chicago and DC and NY and people die in those places on a daily basis, mostly from junk pistols and from people that have never been trained to shoot or been to a range and that did not buy that gun legally.

      I had to laugh at what they want to take. A threaded barrel? My 20-gauge turkey gun has a threaded barrel to use various chokes. So what? Oh it’s a big scary turkey gun with a threaded barrel! Oh spare me. I am sick to death of these communists that run around with trained dobies on a leash that surround them from the unwashed masses. I recommend that fewer people serve these fools. Let them protect themselves.

      • 2isone says:

        You are sooooright. They will have to trash people’s houses to enforce a grab, and even then- they will not find the buried weapons. There are so many ways to hide things. Even from dogs. (Think shrink wrap and kitty litter)- I will go to the door with a cane and a plate of cookies. Guns??? Oh, the movers made off with them. Never knew how to shoot the darn things anyway (lol).

        I called a local cop to check out some would be trespassers not to long ago. He came up to our exterior gate and rang the doorbell… telling me essentially that the guys were legal in their use of the commons, because one of the homeowners was with them and they were “guests”. I could tell that the officer was really frustrated that he was kept at the gate, so I asked him if he wanted to see the interior of the “house” which he jumped at. I was very cordial and just had him step in to the main living area and begged off a full tour saying that the house was not tidy enough for that. We had a nice chat out by my tiny little pool, (which would serve as an emergency reservoir if shtf). The mystery is gone now, and I am his buddy for all intents and purposes. Waved a nice, friendly goodbye as I locked the gate behind him. I always, always go out of my way to chat up policemen. Most around here are very nice, but I am not naive enough to think that could not change in the wink of an eye. I want to be perceived as the harmless, friendly lady from down the street- which I actually am… except under certain circumstances. I never talk to ANYONE about the amount of preps we have, in any area- especially firearms. We have about 3 more days till open carry in Texas, and I won’t be one of the people advertising my status as a gun owner that way.
        I know this probably applies to a lot of folks here, but decorating the house with dead animals is an advertisement that you have some nice guns. My BIL got burglarized big time by yard workers who noticed his big game trophies through the windows. FWIW, I love spicy deer sausage.

        • Philosopher says:

          2: By “trained dobies that protect them from the unwashed masses” I was referring to the armed security that is used by the elites, from Bloomberg to Michael Moore. I was talking about how former military and some police end up working for the very wealthy. I don’t care how much they offered me, there is no way in hell you could pay me enough to be a “leashed dobie” for Bloomberg or Moore or a liberal movie star. When people refuse to work for these people they will realize how vulnerable they are and that their money and wealth are not enough to protect them from the masses.

          • 2isone says:

            They will definitely lose a lot of their protection if they cannot guarantee the security of these guys’s families in abnormal times. In normal times, bodyguards go home after their shift- in shtf, the serfs and the lords will be in the boat together. But, I give the truly wealthy the benefit of a doubt where it concerns their bugouts. Unless caught off guard, their money has bought the inaccessible by now. Gated communities??? Well, that will be like the Purge movie.

          • I used to work for their trained dobies… attorneys. I regret that I did not try harder to stop. Before jobs went away, companies did not honor other experience. Never mind every time I looked my bosses raised my pay to the point my pay history made employers look at me askance. I did get out but only after the crash released me. My son got out by buying a business. I agree that we need to quit being their dobies.

    42. tishie says:

      Just looking at photos of the big “O” makes me sick.

    43. Asshat says:

      Reload faster that’s all your only defeated if you want to be. Anyway a buddie I used to run with back in my partying days just showed up out of the blue yesterday while I was cleaning out the rabbit cage. Haven’t talked to him in well over 2 years. I don’t have a beef with him just nothing in common anymore that’s all. He asked me if he could borrow an ax to cut a small tree down that his drone got stuck in. I let him borrow it and said just bring it back and leave it by the gate. He knows that I’ve changed gears and have a different agenda than before. It used to be partying and chasing bitches but have kids now and put all that behind me to do the right thing. Point being people never forget the kind of person you are me being always ready for anything and having tools to do things. It doesn’t matter if people know you have mechanical and homesteading skills they know you will have tools to do the work. People that you haven’t had contact in years will come around come shtf looking for things come shtf. He left the ax by the gate just like I asked him. He is the type that would come around after shtf looking to borrow tools and advise even ask for food possibly. Me I wouldn’t just show up after two years and ask to borrow tools I’ve never given the impression I loan out tools either. I hope he doesn’t think this is ok. I just wanna be left alone. I’ve told him a few years back that he needed to take some steps to protect his family like stocking up on food and stuff like that. I don’t think he’s done a thing to prepare. I’d have just went and bought a cheap ax to have for later too. They are cheap enough. Shit grab a file to keep it sharp too. It’s not like borrowing something like an aircraft rivet gun that I could understand somone wanting to borrow. Not a hatchet. He’s not a bad guy just doesn’t get it yet.

      • You said he has a drone. What are drones for except to spy on others? Maybe that is his plan. No he will never forget and will show up on your doorstep. When I moved to a different state and to the mountains I stopped sharing my home address. Of course the government knows where I am, but not willing to give out my location. People are starting to ask. Still stay vague.

    44. Anonamous says says:

      Behind every blade of grass, lies freedom, hidden, keep it in your safest place. More of us than them………

    45. I really hate it when people act like the passage of a law like this would kick off a 2nd revolution. A 2nd revolution would never happen. The gun control act of ’94 proved that.

      • john w. says:

        The American people prove everyday that they no longer believe in their nation or themselves. That is why the country is being taken over by third world invaders without so much as a mean word of protest. The left is organized and means business. We post on websites and tell tall stories about how many storm troopers we will shoot. Give me a break. What a laugh most on this and other sites don’t even bother to vote, useless as it is.

        • slingshot says:

          John W.

          What is the fastest way to bring it all down? To Knock the Arm Chair General off his Chair?

          Do not oppose the Gun Ban. Tell your representative to vote for it. Then Vote for Hillary.

          Imagine the momentum the Dems would have after Gun Control and a Democrat for President.

          No better way to do it other than sink or swim.

    46. Phenias option says:

      Not much chance of passing, never the less you cannot have to many hi caps as their will only be resupply from the dead along your travels and for barter. Price for mags is going to rise as panic about this libtards bill is inflated by the propaganda media. Saw this in the 90s and after
      various drug induced big pharma shootings. If you do not have your hi capacity mags by now you are probably in a coma induced rectal defllade state of reality. Prep money should be spent on
      Medical training, hands on tactical training, communications equipment and training(see AMRRON). Keep your powder dry!

    47. Plain Old American says:

      In December of 2015 a Declaration of War against the American People was introduced into Congress. It had 123 Co sponsors.

    48. waltinseattle says:

      Yes, I saw this under the false headline that it would ban everything but single shot guns. Then I read it. So now it will instantly make criminals of—no, it grandfathers. While I am no fan (the Klinton Regime took my FFL for no good reason- no reason)

      Still fine: BAR, all the pump tactical and military shotguns you can think of, the bolt sniper regulars, including it seems, and .50 browning if it is bolt.

      In short I laughed, until I realized…just a little warmer in the kettle, just a little warmer. ( im near seattle where they just got the letgal o.k. on a 25$ purchase and 5-10 cents PER ROUND ammo tax.)

      So have a laugh, GO THROUGH THE “STILL O.K. LIST. laugh at pure idiots.

      keep yr powder dry

      • slingshot says:

        waltinseattle.

        I really get a case of the ass when they TAX you for guns or ammo to pay for the Law enforcement to arrest people.
        Walt, should this stuff go down, the only people I am going to help are those who have a gun. They have skin in the game as I see it. So if some mussie is humping their grandmother and they don’t have a gun. She’s Fair Game cause it’s not my problem.

        Every American should support the Constitution.

      • Thanks walt…

        Terrible bill that, if passed, will be decided by men in black dresses. They can be entrusted to uphold it by way of the Commerce Clause. Sucks…

        That being said, I think the article may be a bit misleading. I went and read the text. You are right. The “not banned” list is still a nice selection. They are NOT coming to take what you have now. It is grandfathered in. This bans future sales. Still not good.

        The fascist corporate DC structure uses a very, very broad interpretation of the Commerce Clause in the Constitution to get around the second amendment. They always do this. If any part of the firearm crosses state lines (even the raw metal used in manufacture) they claim jurisdiction through the Commerce Clause. If you ever see a bill with the word commerce in it, this is what they are doing…claiming it is not unconstitutional and is one of the enumerated powers given to them.

        And, of course, fuckin’ LE of all stripes (even retired) is exempt. Tyranny at work…

    49. Gerard says:

      So which one of you are going to start the Revolution? Yea that’s what I thought no one. Pounding on the keyboard means nothing. I found that people talk tough but when someone says lets go and tries to organize something you hear crickets and all the excuses.

      • slingshot says:

        Gerard

        They are going to start the revolution for us.

        I have done the “Pick Seven” Seven people you can trust but people have families and jobs and it is not the most important thing to be accomplished in their lives. Yet.

    50. Jonathan says:

      Oh, no! We are all going to die, maybe I should buy some of this bullshit that’s advertised all over this website. Shitty camping stuff, check. Gold and silver I don’t need, check. Doomsday and conspiracy literature, you god damn right!

      • slingshot says:

        Gerard and Jonathan.

        Why do you two come here? Entertainment? The reason you come here is because you don’t want to be left behind. Just learn enough so you can ease your way into some protection and comfort. Why should it matter to you both as to how we spend our money and time. Don’t you have some home project to do yourselves?

        I guess you think you know it all and are superior to the rest of us.
        We shall see. ;0)

        • Them Guys says:

          Slingshot: perhaps they like some trolls here are pissed off that all them stuff-ads they see here and not a single ad contains the circle with a K inside circle, Kosher approved symbol eh?

          Maybe I shall Rename my property and change the gate overhead signage from the current “El Rancho Them Guys” to something closer to “This Ranch has been 100% Kosher Approved” and ad the circle with K inside it for good protective measure.

          ALL idiots and kommie gun grabbers and libs will then Fear aproaching too close eh!…For it may cause them to get labled some type vile name if they should do so.

          • slingshot says:

            Them Guys.

            The years I have posted here have been one hell of a learning experience. Not everyone is created equal, or as they say some more equal than others. The Jewish connection, Skinhead connection, Black, White, Muslim or whatever, want to be “Top Dog”. I see many may hold dual citizenship and would I be skeptic of which country that person has their allegiance to. That can also reach over to religion and culture, if it is compatible with a peaceful society. Don’t know if paying my taxes over the years gives me any special right but I do know this. I am ready to fight any SOB that is dragging this country down. Politician, Corporation CEO. Billionaire, Military, Cop, right down to the jerkoffs in the street.
            To fix blame upon any one group or person is impossible as there are many co perpetrators to our country’s woes.
            The derogatory words of yesterday were Cracker/Whitey and Nigger. Today it is Goyum and Infidel. AKA cattle and outsider. Each to be killed. A more in depth interpretation on the meaning of those two words.

            We shall see what lies ahead. ;0)

          • slingshot says:

            Them Guys.

            One in moderation

            • Them Guys says:

              Only One in moderation? not bad since I still have at least TWO Dozen in Purgatory Limbo!…and it makes zero sense since I can submit 2 within minits of each other and each are similar content yet the only one posted up was the final written reply, which has to mean that other first submitted one had to get seen by moderator right?

              There has been zero ryhme nor reason nor logic nor common sense to the method of this sites moderations period.

              The only thing which can be agrred upon with it all is that only Truth and Facts regarding one and only one taboo subject group ever gets deleted or censored for 2-3 days prior to finally being posted up, and only after 1/2 dozen newer articles gets up so its barley anyone is going to backtrack to read it.

              Maybe I need begin to write total unreadable ridiculous nonsence that not even the worlds best spelling language experts can decipher like “hicks” submits to avoide cesnoring eh?

              if That wont work?…Maybe I shall begin to label all and every tyrant, evil polititions,Bolshevik Kommies, MSM TV scam liars, and banksters and wall street type swindlers as all are “Evil Nazi Leftists” and Brown shirt faggs, eh…oh and label them all as Muslims/sharia law too for it seems to go over quite swell here….just refrain from true truth because That works fine.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Gerard and Jonathan, how’s the weather in Tel Aviv? Having fun at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, aren’t you?

    51. King Friday says:

      This type of legislation is great as long as it doesn’t have a chance to pass. This is great for business.

      People are buying up firearms and ammunition as quick as the manufacturers can pump out product like never before in history.

      This is what we need is a big ol FAT,$$$,$$$,$$$.00 healthy firearms industry.

      How about a round of applause for the capitalistic American businessmen in the gun industry who are patriots.

    52. STRAIGHT SHOOTER says:

      GUNS AND KNIVES AND ARROWS OH MY !!!! ????

      GUNS AND KNIVES AND ARROWS OH MY !!!! ????

      GUNS AND KNIVES AND ARROWS OH MY !!!! ????

      TOE DOE BARK WHEN YOU SEE THEM COMING !!!!!!!!

    53. # 482 says:

      I am willing to bet that every Militia Group in America is adding the names of these traitors to their Red List.
      Karma is a real Bitch!

    54. B-17 says:

      I wonder if there is going to be a run on 500 MAGNUMS now ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      For those of you who do not know that is a 6 SHOT revolver.
      that shoots a wicked round.

      Used a lot in Alaska for defense on BIG BEARS.

      It seems that all these politicians do not realize that all they are creating is panic buying, and pissing people off at them.

      mmmmmm GOD HELP US

      COME BACK JESUS, TAKE US HOME, WE ARE TIRED OF THIS SHIT…….

    55. Houston/Cypress/Katy/Shtf says:

      They just need to make easier for the chi coms to kill us and take the women.

      Aka.

      HCKS

      Molon Labe chi coms…see you soon you phucks.

    56. Trapper John says:

      Passing this law in itself would not start a war. Any law that is unconstitutional can be ignored.
      On the other hand, if they chose to enforce this law, then the war begins.

    57. Fred says:

      Time to make the names and home addresses of the sponsor and co-sponsors public….

    58. Illini Warrior says:

      Nothing but a re-submittal from the other dozen times it’s been introduced – What’s NEW here?

      The bill is for the DemoCraps to headline there postage free 2015 “What I Did For U in 2015” newsletter …. every single DemoCrap will be boasting how they are bashing the right wing gunslinger domestic terrorists – all the peaceful liberals can suck on their latte without worrying about Sandy Hook or more CA attacks ….

      It’s Obammy’s EOs you need to worry about – MORE backdoor end runs around the elected Congress ….

    59. 21Bravo says:

      Whoever signed that bill should be charge with Treason….

    60. Jason B. says:

      Is it possible that actual intent of the PTB, with all of this gun control chatter, is to do just the opposite. To cause everybody to arm themselves to the teeth. Then using economic collapse, strategic terrorist attacks(false flag events), and cyber-attacks to selectively shut down power grids, they push all of us into survival mode where we will kill each other while fighting for resources or protecting what we have. Much more efficient for them to let us kill each other, then they will disarm whoever is left alive.

    61. McRuger says:

      Those of you that say you have read the bill and it isn’t so bad need to regroup. We cannot allow the even an inch. Every little victory is closer to the end. Just read how the Nazis did it in the 30s. It is in the January issue of American Rifleman.
      DOJ has already included Patriots in there definition of terrorists and DOJ is promoting the United Nations Safe City Network which partners American Cities with foreign countries for security.
      The mere fact that 123 American legislators would support such a violation of freedom should be require WE take ACTION.

    62. slingshot says:

      Whatever the New Years holds for us, you can be sure it is going to be bad.

      The cards are stacked against us for many reasons and OUR COMMUNIST have done a great job to divide the country along many lines.

      If I was a Communist I would not worry if my party lost the election. Do you think the economy is fine? Is there peace in the world? If you wanted chaos to further your agenda would it not be better for your party if the bad stuff happens on the other political party watch. Sure, you could blame the hell out of them.
      Not to mention all those New Voters and some dead ones too. How large is the FREE SHIT ARMY? Who do they vote for?

    63. Angry Old White Guy says:

      OMG, and I just bought 2 more 25 round magazines yesterday for my S&W M&P 15. Maybe I should bring them back, so I won’t become an outlaw. LOL

      This sh!t always makes me laugh. Does any in Washington think that people are going to hand over billions of dollars worth of high capaity magazines & guns to the government.

      And for what, for free. Even if someone was willing to, people in America don’t do ANYTHING for free.

      What’s next, speed loaders for revolvers.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Yup,,,
        They can have the ammo one at a time in lots of 30 or 20 and the guns when they are shot out or im dead

      • Plan twice, prep once says:

        Did you catch the wording of the magazine ban they propose. Simply taking two magazines and duct-taping them together to make it faster to load the next magazine becomes a felony!

        Don’t these politicians realize the day we need to do this, is the day they need to be hiding in bunkers. I for one will install a toilette in their air intake and charge for people to shiit on their heads.

    64. Fred says:

      time to post the names and home addresses of this bill’s sponsors…

      • PeterFrancisco says:

        This bill was authored by David Cicilline AKA David Sissy-line of Rhode Island. Anyone who knows anything about Rhode Island and Cicilline knows exactly what I am talking about. This guy will stop at nothing to see this country destroyed. He’s living proof of why I would support any effort by any military personnel to remove elected officials from office and replace them with people who are intent on building this country back to what it used to be. Cicilline’s office is in a building on North Main Street in Providence RI. Cross the Pawtucket line into Providence and it’s in the building that sits right on the nose that juts out into North Main Street.

        • Archivist says:

          His home is at 15 Barberry Hill, a little one-block long street in Providence, RI, unless he has very recently moved. It’s a two-story house with 3 dormers across the front of the roof. The asphalt in the street is cracked badly, so he evidently doesn’t have enough pull to get his own street repaired.

          You can find the above information, along with his exact address and home phone number, at anywho (dot) com. Click on the link to map and directions, and you can get to a map and then the Google street view of his house.

      • Archivist says:

        They are easy to find through various websites.

        The list of co-sponsors is at:
        ht tps://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/cosponsors

        You can find family info on their Wikipedia pages.

        You can find home addresses and phone numbers at:
        ht tp://www.anywho.com/whitepages

        As an example, the first co-sponsor on the list is Dr. Alma Shealey Adams. She was born 5-27-1946 in High Point, NC. Her parents are Benjamin Shealey and Mattie Stokes. Her home address and home phone number are both listed on anywho. If you ever need a gaudy hat, she claims to have over 900 of them.

        It took me about a minute to find all the above. I didn’t use any unusual secret databases and it didn’t require any special skills. Anyone can do it, so I won’t be posting a list.

    65. We always encourage cottage industry weapons and accessory development.

    66. Really??? says:

      All this banter is nice boys and girls. Hope you’re getting parts, ammo and mags stacked deep – once the flag goes up that this may go through (be it next year or in 2018) that’ll be it.

    67. Thor says:

      Here is the most interesting thought on this,they are buying up ammo for hls,blm,post office,park rangers,weather stations all government agencies but want us disarmed!!! Remember the English fired the shot heard around the world so let them make the first mistake!!!

    68. papacopod says:

      think it,s time everyone who values are right gun owner and none gun owner stand up and march on the white house by the millions bring your rifles let show them we mean business&won,t sit by while our right are taken away not only gun right this is just the start of total all out war for our rights next we will be rounded up and put in camps.calling anyone who can get to out nation capital by the million other have marched not it,s time to act this will have the cowards pissing and shitting in their pants we out number them bye tens of millions and more lets bring our self together black white all Americans blacks are frist true Americans benn here frist this country is to divided that why they are winning forget hating each other hate our ruling Gov who is destroying while we watch football play video games stare into dumb as I phone like zombie people know not everyone can travel to march but need few million people

    69. Sgt. Dale says:

      OK now that we see the Bills coming out. YOU CAN BET THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A FALSE FLAG!!!! Stay armed
      and stay safe.

      Do what they might they will get their war.

      AIM SMALL MISS SMALL.

      How I was trained by the FBI If shot at. You shoot till you bury their dick in the dirt!!!!

      Sgt.

    70. Reverend Draco says:

      Of course the right to keep and bear arms is unlimited – it’s right there, in plain, simple language – right in the 2nd Amendment.

      If there had been (made up out of stuff and nonsense) “assault rifles” during the Revolution. . . You bet your Ass that George Washington would have had one or more – and that had King Barry – pardon, King George – demanded he give them up. . . all manner of shit would have hit any number of fans. . . just as it played out in actuality.

    71. Plan twice, prep once says:

      Here we go again.

      Just when I thought the ammo and firearm demand would drop, so prices would normalize, they do this. Firearms and ammo sales will spike and supplies dry up, again!

      The guys in my local gun shop all are getting carpel tunnel syndrome from repeatedly filling out federal forms for firearms sales. They don’t get a minutes rest.

    72. Neal says:

      The greatest threat to America Right now is the “True Believer” who cannot fathom how complete the failure of the system they so believe in has failed, they will hold back all others from acting, by simply telling others to WAIT and let the broken system, that still doesn’t work….”work”.”

      How do you KNOW you have met a True Believer? They ALWAYS use the word “when” when they talk about the system WORKING…the Mythical “When” that never comes…..

      Name a TIME when Congress or any FED GOV system…WORKED for you me or any other law abiding American citizen?

      Wait and die is their answer… Who is worse, the Communist who executes you and your family members or the True Believer you listened to?

    73. Surely, you jest says:

      Mr. President, there can be no other reason for you to remove firearms from American Citizens other than TOTAL and FULL CONTROL over the very people you (allegedly ) SWORE AN OATH to protect.

      We have watched as your “Department of Homeland Security” purchased and stockpiled 1.6 BILLION ROUNDS of pistol ammunition in the last few years, -much of it ‘hollow-point’,… -which has been against the Geneva Convention in warfare, for decades. That’s enough ammunition for the government to put five (5) bullet holes in every single American citizen alive today… Yet, even with this MIND NUMBING amount of ammunition accumulated, the ‘Main Stream Media’, and “gun violence” hating ‘progressives’ everywhere haven’t sounded the alarm by calling it an “an Arsenal of Weaponry” or a “Hoard” -like they do each time a citizen is accused of having ‘excessive’ amounts, – like having a few thousand shells stored away in his closet. Instead, ‘MSM’, and all the ‘progressives’ have IGNORED and covered up this entire massive build-up for you.
      You think we didn’t notice?

      How can you -with a straight face, tell us that removing firearms from citizens will make Americans safer ?

      After all, -isn’t it your government that FAILED to protect US? For example:

      ~ “Homeland Security” -Border Security? – I.C.E. ?
      -the FBI? -the US Border Patrol? -The Border FENCE? -FAIL

      ~ “Homeland Security”? Where? the TSA , the NSA, the NDAA ? -EVERY LAST ONE, a colossal FAIL

      protecting us from ‘gang bangers’ rapes, muggings,
      robbery and murder all across America? -FAIL

      ~ “Homeland Security” protecting’ us from increasing ALIEN TERROR ATTACKS in our own country? – just another FAIL
      your ‘government’ has failed to apprehend at least 20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS, some of which have already killed Americans

      Government has ALSO totally failed to stop gang violence (where no doubt 95% of America’s gun murders originate) …We watch as you completely ignore the HUNDREDS of predominately black inner city Chicago thugs and gang-bangers when they murder themselves each and every year, -in nearly the most anti-gun city in America no less. Without any effort from you or your ‘business associate’ Rahm Emanuel to make a move to stop it.
      Are they just fodder for your anti-gun agenda?

      Only a control freak would PRESUME to tell us that our RIGHT to protect our loved ones is not our ‘right’.
      HOW DARE You?

      Why, just this week we witnessed riots in the streets
      of our country by half sane, half feral urban THUGS.

      We have witnessed mass ‘religious’ Muslim ‘prayer events’ -right in our cities streets. Stopping all normal citizen travel and commerce in the process and literally making it impossible for a pedestrian to pass by this rude and intentional demonstration of power.

      We have seen how you pushed and deceived America, and imported thousands more Syrian Muslims, -all that we saw of fighting age, without families, children or baggage, -that you would have us believe are “refugees”.

      We have learned of the UPS freight airplanes in the dark of night bringing untold, uncounted aliens into our country, -all bypassing US Customs in the process…

      We have endured brutal attacks, multiple stone cold MURDERS, and even beheadings of American CITIZENS on American Soil committed by DANGEROUS UNDESIRABLE ALIENS -the very people you have assisted to enter our country.

      ALL of which ENDANGER the very people you are charged to protect.

      We also recall that nearly every attacker who murdered well over 3 thousand American citizens on 9-11 were,
      -as you say,.. “VETTED” Saudi ARAB Muslims.

      And now Mr. President, you want to DISARM citizens?

      DO you actually believe that “We the People” cannot
      see right through your “transparent” charade?

      -ah, one last thing Mr. President, -you might want to take heed: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      if you think that is just part of a ‘outdated’ document, you just keep pushing…

      • Texasprepper says:

        Well said!!

      • Yolanda Yokohama says:

        We’ve got muslims, nwo communists and fascists all over in ‘our’ government especially in the department of homeland security. Muslim brotherhood operatives have penetrated strategic places within the infrastructure. wouldn’t be surprised if all that dhs stockpiled ammo and weapons will be used to arm syrian refugees on American soil.

      • Anonymous says:

        So well put, Surely! The Second Amendment AMENDED the Federalists’ Article I, Section 8, Clauses 11-16 and, Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, “President as Commander-in-Chief of the Militia”. The PEOPLE are their own commanders, individually, and their own Militia–not subject to state nor Union command.

    74. Jake the pup says:

      There’s Revolution in the Air……………….

    75. ReaperHD says:

      Let’s get it on, I myself is tired of the ISLAMIC MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TERRORIST running the WH along with the First Faggot and the First Transvestite Michael trying to destroy this Country.

    76. doesn’t that picture show him holding his finger out like a gun? didn’t a little kid get kicked out of school for making that sign. yep. didn’t another little kid get kicked out of school for eating his sandwich into the form of a gun? yep. okay for the elitist but not the rest of us lowly submissives? wrong

    77. Anonymous says:

      http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/gun_control/news.php?q=1237163642

      DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN’T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) THE TRUMP CARD ENACTED BY CONGRESS FURTHER ASSERTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT AS UNOUTCHABLE

      DECEMBER. 20, 2014
      The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
      The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
      The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
      The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
      Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, “the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States.”
      The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.
      During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
      The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
      Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: “The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.” In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, “that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it.”
      “This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power.”
      The Honorable William Gordon
      Congressional Record, House, Page 640 – 1917
      http://www.angelfire.com/retro/voices/page2.html#1902

    78. Warchild Dammit!w says:

      Millions of americans and I will not comply.The ingenuity of our citizens is great when push comes to shove,firearms,they declare martial law/suspend elections/ban our firearms,well…..,firearms will be their last worry ,the public in last 7 years has armed themselves very well,we were not doing too bad even before the countries greatest firearm salesman came into office.

    79. Australian Supporter says:

      The term “Assault Rifle” was made up by Adolf Hitler for the Sturmgewehr 44.

      From what I know of American people they won’t comply with the new laws. Washington could split the country, cause another civil war, or make the streets of America as dangerous as Iraq.

      When you split the country let Washington keep the assets or should I say the debt.

    80. Texasprepper says:

      Come and Take It!! The only way they’ll get them is from my cold dead hands. Better bring some body bags cause I’m not going out alone, I will take out at least some of those who try to come and take them.

    81. Terry Adamo says:

      If you agree with this Constitutional overthrow then you don’t understand what we are up against or the reason the Constitution contains the provisions it contains. READ SOME HISTORY BOOKS. Do a little due diligence, something these authors either neglected or are hoping you bother with. Also, if you think there will be some safety margin realized by this misguided legislation, you’re drinking the kool-aid and need to wake to fuck up.

    82. rednek101 says:

      Looks like you can keep what you already own. Of course we all know how that worked with ‘bamacare.

      “(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

      “(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2015.

      Based on what i see…this could pass. It’s not confiscation. Could be phase 1 however.

    83. rednek101 says:

      Good to know…

      §2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
      Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
      Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
      Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
      As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
      (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

    84. Rockmanr says:

      In WWII the American Army in Europe had 276% losses. That is the correct figure 276% Did they suffer such loses to have their children submit to tyranny meekly at home. It is tyranny in its worst form. Molon Labe folks

    85. FedUp says:

      Better start burying your guns and ammo in airtight containers just like the pirates did with their “booty” & “treasure” for use later. We had all better belive, each one of us, that this illegal, unamerican weapons grab will happen! If it’s going to happen, sooner is better than later because I do not want my children or grandchildren having to deal with this corrupt corporation known as the US Government with this issue. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket faster than you can row a chicken wire boat down the river!

    86. Rich says:

      When will the people begin disarming the politicians and media!!

    87. Rich says:

      The hard-left Marxist and Islamists who infect our federal government plus the MSM media prostitutes who protect them will gleefully lie, falsify, fabricate, slander, libel, deceive, delude, bribe, and treasonably betray the free citizens of the United States..

      Second Amendment foes lying about gun control – The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal self-defense.Firearms are our constitutionally mandated safeguard against tyranny by a powerful federal government. Only dictators, tyrants, despots, totalitarians, and those who want to control and ultimately to enslave you support gun control.

      No matter what any president, senator, congressman, or hard-left mainstream media prostitutes tell you concerning the statist utopian fantasy of safety and security through further gun control: They are lying. If their lips are moving, they are lying about gun control. These despots truly hate America..

      These tyrants hate freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, and private property. But the reality is that our citizens’ ownership of firearms serves as a concrete deterrent against despotism. They are demanding to hold the absolute power of life and death over you and your family. Ask the six million Jewws, and the other five million murdered martyrs who perished in the Nazzi death camps, how being disarmed by a powerful tyranny ended any chances of fighting back. Ask the murdered martyrs of the Warsaw Ghetto about gun control.

      Their single agenda is to control you after you are disarmed. When the people who want to control you hold the absolute power of life and death over your family, you have been enslaved. The hard-left Marxist and Islamists who infect our federal government plus the MSM media prostitutes who protect them will gleefully lie, falsify, fabricate, slander, libel, deceive, delude, bribe, and treasonably betray the free citizens of the United States into becoming an unarmed population. Unarmed populations have been treated as slaves and chattel since the dawn of history.

      Will we stand our ground, maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights, fighting those who would enslave us?

      American Thinker

    88. Rich says:

      moderation = censorship

    89. Old Guy says:

      If a law is unjust. A man is not only

      • rednek101 says:

        If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” –Jefferson

        “If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law”–Henry David Thoreau

        “One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”–Martin Luther King

    90. I will have to check on this to make certain, but I am pretty sure they can kiss my ass on this one…

    91. KY Mom says:

      Congress repeals country of origin labeling for meat

      WASHINGTON, Dec. 21 (UPI) – “It will be hard to tell where your beef and pork comes from with the repeal of the country of origin labeling in the United States.

      Congress repealed the rules, which began in 2009, with a measure added to the omnibus budget bill passed on Friday. Obama signed the bill into law Friday.

      The repeal comes after the World Trade Organization found the labels were unfair to meat producers outside the United States.

      Canada and Mexico last week were granted permission to impose more than $1 billion in import tariffs on U.S. goods if the labels were not removed.”

      UPI dot com

    92. BTW… who is the guy in the photo? It is not Obama.

    93. Then let’s start with the secret service men guarding Obama…Disarm them and see how long he LASTS !!!!!!

    94. I say Do IT! To Zero…all you scumbag criminals in congress, all of you POS liberal governors and judges….GO AHEAD! Pass the damn law, pass whatever law you want. Then…Come and Take’m!

      This is OUR RED LINE! Cross it if you DARE! 100+ million American Patriots and Gun Owners eagerly await you!

      Danny Mac III%

    95. Anonymous says:

      better to die on your feet fighting against injustice than on your knees like someones bitch

    96. Rocky says:

      What part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do our corrupt elected officials not understand ? They forget THEY work for us not the other way around !

    97. dungeness fats says:

      watch closly in case obummer slides in u n soldiers and hit them first

    98. dungeness fats says:

      cops gotta decide which side they are on real fast–also border patrol and homeland security

    99. Anonymous says:

      How about all the government-supporting and supported race/religion baiters on here posting their hate diatribes to give this site and its real participants the label of “racists” and “religious persecutors”.

     
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