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    Lies You Will Hear As The Economic Collapse Progresses

    Brandon Smith
    August 27th, 2015
    Alt Market
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    This article was originally published by Brandon Smith at Alt Market.

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    It is undeniable; the final collapse triggers are upon us, triggers alternative economists have been warning about since the initial implosion of 2008. In the years since the derivatives disaster, there has been no end to the absurd and ludicrous propaganda coming out of mainstream financial outlets and as the situation in markets becomes worse, the propaganda will only increase. This might seem counter-intuitive to many. You would think that the more obvious the economic collapse becomes, the more alternative analysts will be vindicated and the more awake and aware the average person will be. Not necessarily…

    In fact, the mainstream spin machine is going into high speed the more negative data is exposed and absorbed into the markets. If you know your history, then you know that this is a common tactic by the establishment elite to string the public along with false hopes so that they do not prepare or take alternative measures while the system crumbles around their ears. At the onset of the Great Depression the same strategies were used. Consider if you’ve heard similar quotes to these in the mainstream news over the past couple months:

    John Maynard Keynes in 1927: “We will not have any more crashes in our time.”

    H.H. Simmons, president of the New York Stock Exchange, Jan. 12, 1928: “I cannot help but raise a dissenting voice to statements that we are living in a fool’s paradise, and that prosperity in this country must necessarily diminish and recede in the near future.”

    Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist, The New York Times, Sept. 5, 1929: “There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash.” And on 17, 1929:“Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. I do not feel there will be soon if ever a 50 or 60 point break from present levels, such as (bears) have predicted. I expect to see the stock market a good deal higher within a few months.”

    W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 30, 1929: “This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan… that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years.”

    Harvard Economic Society, Nov. 10, 1929: “… a serious depression seems improbable; [we expect] recovery of business next spring, with further improvement in the fall.”

    Here is the issue – as I have ALWAYS said, economic collapse is not a singular event, it is a process. The global economy has been in the process of collapse since 2008 and it never left that path. Those who were ignorant took government statistics at face value and the manipulated bull market as legitimate and refused to acknowledge the fundamentals. Now, with markets recently suffering one of the greatest freefalls since the 2008/2009 crash, they are witnessing the folly of their assumptions, but that does not mean they will accept them or apologize for them outright. If there is one lesson I have learned well during my time in the Liberty Movement, it is to never underestimate the power of normalcy bias.

    There were plenty of “up days” in the markets during the Great Depression, and this kept the false dream of a quick recovery alive for a large percentage of the American population for many years. Expect numerous “stunning stock reversals” as the collapse of our era progresses, but always remember that it is the overall TREND that matters far more than any one positive or negative trading day (unless you open down 1000 points as we did on Monday), and even more important than the trends are the economic fundamentals.

    The establishment has made every effort to hide the fundamentals from the public through far reaching misrepresentations of economic stats. However, the days of effective disinformation in terms of the financial system are coming to an end. As investors and the general public begin to absorb the reality that the global economy is indeed witnessing a vast crisis scenario and acknowledges real numbers over fraudulent numbers, the only recourse of central bankers and the governments they control is to convince the public that the crisis they are witnessing is not really a crisis. That is to say, the establishment will attempt to marginalize the collapse signals they can no longer hide as if such signals are of “minimal” importance.

    Just as occurred during the onset of the Great Depression, the lies will be legion the closer we come to zero hour. Here are some of the lies you will likely hear as the collapse accelerates…

    The Crisis Was Caused By Chinese Contagion

    The hypocrisy inherent in this lie is truly astounding, to say the least, considering it is now being uttered by the same mainstream dirtbags who only months ago were claiming that China’s financial turmoil and stock market upset were inconsequential and would have “little to no effect” on Western markets.

    I specifically recall these hilarious quotes from Barbara Rockefeller in July:

    Something else that doesn’t matter much is the Chinese equity meltdown—again. China may be big and powerful, but it lacks a retail base and fund managers experienced in price variations, never mind a true rout…”

    Doom-and-gloom types have been saying for a long time that we will get a stock market rout when the Fed finally does move to raise rates. But as we wrote last week, history doesn’t bear out the thesis, not that you can really count on history when the sample size is one or two data points…”

    Yes, that is a bit embarrassing. One or two data points? There have been many central bank interventions in history. When has ANY central bank or any government ever used stimulus to manipulate markets through fiat infusion and zero interest fueled stock buybacks or given government the ability to monetize its own debt, and actually been successful in the endeavor? When has addicting markets to stimulus like a heroin dealer ever led to “recovery”? When has this kind of behavior ever NOT created massive fiscal bubbles, a steady degradation of the host society, or outright calamity?

    Suddenly, according to the MSM, China’s economy does affect us. Not only that, but China is to blame for all the ills of the globally interdependent economic structure. And, the mere mention that the Fed might delay the end of near zero interest rates in September by a Federal Reserve stooge recently sent markets up 600 points after a week-long bloodbath; meaning, the potential for any interest rate increase no mater how small also has wider implications for markets.

    The truth is, the crash in global stocks which will undoubtedly continue over the next several months despite any delays on ZIRP by the Fed is a product of universal decay in fiscal infrastructure. Nearly every single nation on this planet, every sovereign economy, has allowed central and international banks to poison every aspect of their respective systems with debt and manipulation. This is not a “contagion” problem, it is a systemic problem to every economy across the world.

    China’s crash matters not because it is causing all other economies to crash. It matters because China is the largest importer/exporter in the world and it is a litmus test for the financial health of every other country. If China is failing, it means we are not consuming, and if we are not consuming, then we must be broke. China’s crash portends our own far worse economic conditions. THAT is why western markets have been crumbling along with China’s despite the assumptions of the mainstream.

    China’s Rate Cuts Will Stop The Crash

    No they won’t. China has cut rates five times since last November and this has done nothing to stem the tide of their market collapse. I’m not sure why anyone would think that a new rate cut would accomplish anything besides perhaps a brief respite from the continuing avalanche.

    It’s Not A Crash, It’s Just The End Of A “Market Cycle”

    This is the most ignorant non-explanation I think I have ever heard. There is no such thing as a “market cycle” when your markets are supported partially or fully by fiat manipulation. Our market is in no way a free market, thus, it cannot behave like a free market, and thus, it is a stunted market with no identifiable cycles.

    Swings in markets of up to 5%-6% to the downside or upside (sometimes both in a single day) are not part of a normal cycle. They are a sign of cancerous volatility that comes from an economy on the brink of disaster.

    The last few years have been seemingly endless market bliss in which any idiot day trader could not go wrong as long as he “bought the dip” while Fed monetary intervention stayed the course. This is also not normal, even in the so-called “new normal”. Yes, the current equities turmoil is an inevitable result of manipulated markets, false statistics, and misplaced hopes, but it is indeed a tangible crash in the making. It is in no way an example of a predictable and non-threatening “market cycle”, and the fact that mainstream talking heads and the people who parrot them had absolutely no clue it was coming is only further evidence of this.

    The Fed Will Never Raise Rates

    Don’t count on it. Public statements by globalist entities like the IMF on China, for example, have argued that their current crisis is merely part of the “new normal”; a future in which stagnant growth and reduced living standards is the way things are supposed to be. I expect the Fed will use the same exact argument to support the end of zero interest rates in the U.S., claiming that the decline of American wealth and living standards is a natural part of the new economic world order we are entering.

    That’s right, mark my words, one day soon the Fed, the IMF, the BIS and others will attempt to convince the American people that the erosion of the economy and the loss of world reserve status is actually a “good thing”. They will claim that a strong dollar is the cause of all our economic pain and that a loss in value is necessary. In the meantime they will, of course, downplay the tragedies that will result as the shift toward dollar devaluation smashes down on the heads of the populace.

    A rate hike may not occur in September. In fact, as I predicted in my last article, the Fed is already hinting at a delay in order to boost markets, or at least slow down the current carnage to a more manageable level. But, they WILL raise rates in the near term, likely before the end of this year after a few high tension meetings in which the financial world will sit anxiously waiting for the word on high. Why would they raise rates? Some people just don’t seem to grasp the fact that the job of the Federal Reserve is to destroy the American economic system, not protect it. Once you understand this dynamic then everything the central bank does makes perfect sense.

    A rate increase will occur exactly because that is what is needed to further destabilize U.S. market psychology to make way for the “great economic reset” that the IMF and Christine Lagarde are so fond of promoting. Beyond this, many people seem to be forgetting that ZIRP is still operating, yet, volatility is trending negative anyway. Remember when everyone was ready to put on their ‘Dow 20,000’ hat, certain in the omnipotence of central bank stimulus and QE infinity? Yeah…clearly that was a pipe dream.

    ZIRP has run it’s course. It is no longer feeding the markets as it once did and the fundamentals are too obvious to deny.

    The globalists at the Bank for International Settlements in spring openly deemed the existence of low interest rate policies a potential trigger for crisis. Their statements correlate with the BIS tendency to “predict” terrible market events they helped to create while at the same time misrepresenting the reasons behind them.

    The point is, ZIRP has done the job it was meant to do. There is no longer any reason for the Fed to leave it in place.

    Get Ready For QE4

    Again, don’t count on it. Or at the very least, don’t expect renewed QE to have any lasting effect on the market if it is initiated.

    There is truly no point to the launch of a fourth QE program, but do expect that the Fed will plant the possibility in the media every once in a while to mislead investors. First, the Fed knows that it would be an open admission that the last three QE’s were an utter failure, and while their job is to dismantle the U.S. economy, I don’t think they are looking to take immediate blame for the whole mess. QE4 would be as much a disaster as the ECB’s last stimulus program was in Europe, not to mention the past several stimulus actions by the PBOC in China. I’ll say it one more time – fiat stimulus has a shelf life, and that shelf life is over for the entire globe. The days of artificially supported markets are nearly done and they are never coming back again.

    I see little advantage for the Fed to bring QE4 into the picture. If the goal is to derail the dollar, that action is already well underway as the IMF carefully sets the stage for the Yuan to enter the SDR global currency basket next year, threatening the dollar’s world reserve status. China also continues to dump hundreds of billions in U.S. treasuries inevitably leading to a rush to a dump of treasuries by other nations. The dollar is a dead currency walking, and the Fed won’t even have to print Weimar Germany-style in order to kill it.

    It’s Not As Bad As It Seems

    Yes, it is exactly as bad as it seems if not worse. When the Dow can open 1000 points down on a Monday and China can lose all of its gains for 2015 in the span of a few weeks despite institutionalized stimulus measures lasting years, then something is very wrong. This is not a “hiccup”. This is not a correction which has already hit bottom. This is only the beginning of the end.

    Stocks are not a predictive indicator. They do not follow positive or negative fundamentals. Stocks do not crash before or during the development of an ailing economy. Stocks crash after the economy has already gone comatose. Stocks crash when the system is no longer salvageable. Since 2008, nothing in the global financial structure has been salvaged and now the central banking edifice is either unable or unwilling (I believe both) to supply the tools to allow us even to pretend that it can be salvaged. We’re going to feel the hurt now, all while the establishment tells us the whole thing is in our heads.

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    1. femaregion1 says:

      (picture) So THATS what happened to that “fiscal cliff” they were screaming about for a while.

      They will make us keep chasing our tail till we fall off the edge ourselves and die.

      • Vet1 says:

        I like your username!!!

        No FEMA for me please…

        The line is in the sand where I live, my personal Alamo so to say…

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

        The Fed Printed a bunch of free money for the Criminal Banksters, the and gave American tje tab for it all. They can stick their drunkin bar tab you know where. Oh Ill leave a tip for them…….Green tips and hollow point tips.

        • durangokidd says:

          “If China is failing, it means we are not consuming, and if we are not consuming, then we must be broke. China’s crash portends our own far worse economic conditions.”

          We are “broke” because the FED is at (economic) war with the BRIC’s and they sacrificed the American Middle Class to break them. By killing the American consumer the FED killed the Chinese Miracle, and in turn, each of the BRIC’s economies. At the same time, corruption and mismanagement, which is institutionalized in the West, has exacerbated the BRIC’s demise.

          The FED built China and it is breaking China. Lesson: don’t fuck with the FED until you have your ducks in a row. China didn’t.

          The FED was willing to let the BRIC’s into the CLUB as long as they were willing to play by the RULES. Unfortunately, they wanted to run the CLUB. And this is why all of their economies are in far worse financial shape than our own, except maybe with the exception of India.

          The economic CRASH that is manifesting will reset the world economy, again giving the FED, the West, and their 150 top multinational corporations hegemony over their competitors without mature economies.

          The USA and Europe have been through financial crises many times and they have evolved their banking systems. A capitalistic China? No. I have pointed this out and warned about China before, beginning perhaps, two years ago. (Its in the archives).

          China did not keep the AGREEMENT with the FED/NWO. They wanted their cake and eat it too. They were not ready, systemically, to compete head to head with the FED. Excess world production will now be transferred to Mexico and China will “wonder where the yellow went”. No pun intended, but acknowledged.

          How it all shakes out is still a guess for anyone and everyone, but I believe that economically, markets will be “choppy” for the next two years, before the real cash materializes in full force; not unlike the Crash of ’29 which didn’t go from bad to worse for a couple of years.

          Keep prepping. 🙂

      • The Cookin' Mom says:

        I would be located in region 6.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

        We need a Government that give a damn about our Country again. All we gots is flea bag of blood suckers feathering their own nests in congress and the Pres.. Here is what I would do 1ST DAY IN OFFICE as VP to Donald Trump…. For Starters, Term limits in every category of public office, Break up all Monopoly Media corporations into a million pieces, and give the airwaves back to the public which they belong and let real reporters keep the Government in check. Cut the Pentagon budget in half the first year. Half again 3 Yrs later. Use that saving to get America off the grid and into solar and wind. Jail the Bankers, Hang the Fed or put them in FEMA Worker Camps and retrain them to be good Americans, wipe the Nat Debt off the books and Print a new US Dollar less any Fed control. Backed by Silver. JFK’s EO-11110; Make Corporations pay Min 15% Taxes. Get rid of DHS, Patriot Act; Give every house hold in America a shotgun, erase all Student loan debt, Mortgage debt, and No Mo Obama Phone cause every bodys is Cleveland got an Obama Phone.

        Elect me as VP to Donald Trump.

    2. Kyrathyel says:

      So the massive jobless wanderers don’t exist. The empty stores are meaningless, the many forced into early retirement are just lazy. As the anger builds, the POWERS will feverishly blame everyone else, in hopes that they will not be held accountable. Others are already hiding in armed compounds, hoping their “protectors” do not turn on them.

    3. Hunkerdown says:

      Respectfully, let’s get to the bottom line. The stock market dropped to around 6500 points in 2009. The recovery carried us to over 18,000 this spring. During all of that time, six years, people such as Gerald Celente and a vast host of others associated with ‘alternative media’ keep saying day after nauseating day that the ‘crash’ was imminent: All the while blowing the horn of, ‘buy precious metals’ to save you during the collapse. Well after six years the collapse is still not here. The grocers are full, the trucks are still running, the Pharmacies are stocked, and best of all, the liquor store remain open. There is always a collapse sooner or later in the stock market, but ‘alternative media’ is hypnotized with attempting to make it happen. It was going to happen with Fukusima sp., Greece, Ukraine, Yemen, lower oil prices, Drought in California, Ferguson, Baltimore, HAARP, Executive Orders, Gun Confiscation, Food Shortages, Pandemics, and God knows what else. The bottom line is MSM lies, and Alternative Media ‘Exemplifies’ the Disaster of the Day. But, in your defense, the collapse will come, probably after an emp or cyber attack, and then Alternative Media will scramble for the credit of “I told you soitis”. The point is mute, the cause irrelevant. Let’s get on with the task of preparing for the affects/effects of the event, not ushering in the cause of the event to just watch it go out the exit door without ever making a ripple. Deal with reality, not imagination.

      • Anonymous says:

        Keep predicting something and eventually you’ll be right.

        May take a lifetime or so for it to happen, though.

      • Chase says:

        Well put! My thoughts exactly.

      • FreeSlave says:

        Brandon Smith, terrific article!

        “HunkerDown”, very valid observation and comment.

        FWIW, I have long suspected that the economic crash of 2008 was somehow manipulated and engineered to doom McCain/Palin (I held my nose to vote for McCain) and to boost Obama into the White House.

        I still can’t believe Hilary didn’t make more noise during her primary fight about Obama’s legal citizenship, and the legality of his being president.

        Anyways, I’ve been sitting out of the market since 2012 and when the Dow was 12,500. When it screamed up to 18,000, I was a bit sick to my stomach at missing out on such a large increase. I felt disdain and mockery for me disdaining the market and the economy and Obama’s government.

        Yet, at the same time, I have mixed feelings about being vindicated. I’d rather be wrong and not have the country go through horrible deadly upheaval. The carnage, and having to probably participate in that carnage through justified armed defense, would be such a sad thing.

        Dem!

        • Hunkerdown says:

          Free Slave: You are exactly right, the meltdown in ’08 was nothing less than Obama’s ticket to the Oval Office. The fraudulent electronic voting machines guaranteed him a second term. There is a very real possibility that if the economy crashes again that he will be America’s President for life.. This is not out of line with how the Government works. Precedence of this type was set during the Johnson Administration when LBJ made J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director For Life. It can happen even without Martial Law. A declaration of his choosing for a state of National Emergency and our goose is cooked. There is a very good chance that the upcoming elections will be a non event. God bless and thanks.

      • Excellent post and very true. It seems we sometimes live in a state of suspended animation while waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop.

        we wait anxiously with each red flag incident for everything to start happening. Then nothing does.

        Just like the stock markets, as manipulated as they may be. They are now almost back to the 17,000 mark.

        Waiting for something bad to happen has almost become like an addiction.

        As I have said before it has become an excuse for many (me included at times) to justify not taking action to do something in the here and now, rather then prepare for something that may or may not happen.

        There are a lot of tired, angry and broken people in the world right now. People who know the game is rigged and want the playing field to be leveled so to speak.

        It just seems the “bad guys” keep winning, while the rest of us suckers just try and hang on, one day to the next without losing our minds.

      • DHS Jackbooted Rascal says:

        Did you see the DOW dropping like a rock around 14:00 then miraculously rebound? Did the same thing for several of the past few sessions.

        Any of this stuff sound familiar?
        “During the 1920s, the U.S. stock market underwent rapid expansion, reaching its peak in August 1929, a period of wild speculation. By then, production had already declined and unemployment had risen, leaving stocks in great excess of their real value. Among the other causes of the eventual market collapse were low wages, the proliferation of debt, a weak agriculture, and an excess of large bank loans that could not be liquidated.
        Stock prices began to decline in September and early October 1929, and on October 18 the fall began. Panic set in, and on October 24—Black Thursday—a record 12,894,650 shares were traded. Investment companies and leading bankers attempted to stabilize the market by buying up great blocks of stock, producing a moderate rally on Friday. On Monday, however, the storm broke anew, and the market went into free fall. Black Monday was followed by Black Tuesday, in which stock prices collapsed completely.”
        http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/stock-market-crashes

        Any day now….

        • Hunkerdown says:

          DHS Jackbooted Rascal: And after that Black Tuesday, stocks slowly regained 80% of what was lost. It wasn’t until 1932 that everything went overboard. So, is it any day now, or do we have plus or minus four years as in 1929 to 1933, before we go to plan B? That’s all I’m asking, and really there is no viable answer. We are all looking for answers. But honestly, as long as we keep prepping as if it all fell apart yesterday, while feeling the pulse of the economy, or for an enemy attack from out of nowhere, then haven’t we done all that could be expected. That’s just my suggestion. Here’s another one if you folks will accept it. The bride and I prep for the “one hour meltdown”. The One Hour Meltdown is an excellent article on Survival Mom. If we can cover a one hour meltdown and still have a heartbeat with all organs functioning, four limbs attached, both eyes seeing, both and ears hearing, then we just might make it. Maybe! Because how well we are prepared to handle the first hour will determine how many days, weeks, months, and years we will remain in the ranks of the living. Frankly, if we have to hobble off to the BOL, minus a leg, arm, or an eye, with blood dripping out of an ear, then we failed at some point prior to correctly evaluate the severity of the situation. And the STB (“Survival Toll Booth”) will make us pay with our lives if we fail to recognize and correct any weakness now. Thanks

          • DHS Jackbooted Rascal says:

            Hunkerdown: Good Post
            There’s no effective way for the layman to predict what markets will do with any degree of accuracy. All we see are trends that may or may not mean anything. However, when you see 1000 point swings which are way out of the norm, there is a tendency to become wary. Stability and predictability are good. Erratic market behavior is a red flag signaling something is quite wrong.
            You are correct, there is no viable answer…Maybe our 1929 was back in ’08. So now were on borrowed time. Then again, the big money boys on wall street are desperate to keep the ball rolling and are pumping dollars into stocks artificially keeping the market up and running. They may be able to do this indefinitely or run out of money tomorrow. Maybe they’re not doing anything at all.
            For us little folks, what happens on Wall Street has an impact on us but there’s little we can do other than hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

            • Hunkerdown says:

              DHS Jackboot Rascal: You’re right, it makes us feel like a night crawler waiting to be taken out of the can and put on the hook. But, as you said, “What can we do?” In my own little world I wonder if China is keeping their stock market going with government QE money long enough to get through the massive military parades scheduled for September 3rd. After that, the global spotlight will be off of them and they may not be so concerned about keeping the natives happy. Again, that’s just meaningless speculation on my part.

    4. Sgt. Dale says:

      Did anyone here really think they were going to tell the truth?
      Sgt.

    5. Rebel in Idaho says:

      This article would seem to indicate that you still have time to prepare so you don’t die fem.

      Move out of the city, there’s still time. Buy at least 3 months worth of food and water and a gun. If all you did was those simple things you at least doubled your odds of being one of the ones who lives through a collapse.

      Right now you can still do that with a credit card. No excuses.

      • Barn Cat says:

        You need ways to heat your home and cook your food too. If you move, try to find a place with a big propane tank.

        • Hunkerdown says:

          Barn Cat: Think small please. Small propane cylinders, about the size of quart jar, can be purchased for less than $4.00. They will fit inside 4″ schedule 40pvc. This gives you plenty of cooking power for the food stored in the same pvc pipe. My pvc pieces are 5′ long with one cylinder ready to go into each pipe. Do not, repeat, do not put the propane in the pipe until you are ready to bury. If the cylinder leaks you could get a nasty surprise and either way it would be difficult to explain to the authorities. Safety first. In closing, where would we find big propane tanks after teotwawki. Thanks and be safe out there.

        • mallardhen says:

          Or a wood stove that will heat and cook your food.

          • Plan twice, prep once says:

            Check some YouTubes on DIY alcohol cook stoves. You can build one from tin cans, or buy one on Amazon. You can get denatured alcohol by the gallon to burn in it, at any hardware store.

            Alcohol burns very clean, no smoke, no carbon monoxide, no sound, with just a soft blue light and no odor except for the food you are cooking. Alcohol in the factory container has an unlimited shelf life, just keep the the cans away from water, so they don’t rust. There is a hazard handling flammable liquids, and in a confined closed space, burning alcohol for heat could use up all the oxygen and cause suffocation.

            Alcohol is a very opsec fuel that won’t give you away like burning wood, or other fuels that make bright light, smoke, or strong odors.

      • Hunkerdown says:

        Respectfully, let’s get to the bottom line. The stock market dropped to around 6500 points in 2009. The recovery carried us to over 18,000 this spring. During all of that time, six years, people such as Gerald Celente and a vast host of others associated with ‘alternative media’ keep saying day after nauseating day that the ‘crash’ was imminent: All the while blowing the horn of, ‘buy precious metals’ to save you during the collapse. Well after six years the collapse is still not here. The grocers are full, the trucks are still running, the Pharmacies are stocked, and best of all, the liquor store remain open. There is always a collapse sooner or later in the stock market, but ‘alternative media’ is hypnotized with attempting to make it happen. It was going to happen with Fukusima sp., Greece, Ukraine, Yemen, lower oil prices, Drought in California, Ferguson, Baltimore, HAARP, Executive Orders, Gun Confiscation, Food Shortages, Pandemics, and God knows what else. The bottom line is MSM lies, and Alternative Media ‘Exemplifies’ the Disaster of the Day. But, in your defense, the collapse will come, probably after an emp or cyber attack, and then Alternative Media will scramble for the credit of “I told you soitis”. The point is mute, the cause irrelevant. Let’s get on with the task of preparing for the affects/effects of the event, not ushering in the cause of the event to just watch it go out the exit door without ever making a ripple. Deal with reality, not imagination.

      • Hunkerdown says:

        Reb in Idaho: How many times has the advice you offered already been given. The advice is good, no argument there, but who listened. Leave the “floaters”, as I call them, alone. I call them floaters because that is the LEO term for a corpse floating face down in the river/lake. They have either prepped to stay alive and afloat, and if not they will be dead floaters, good for nothing but to contaminate our water. The first group doesn’t need our advice, and the second won’t accept it. So what’s the use. Even the Bible says, “A live dog is better than a dead lion.” Those that think they are the king of the hill are doomed. As for me, I’m hiding out just like a whipped puppy until maybe, just maybe things get better. God bless and good luck in Idaho. Best wishes always.

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        RiI

        I agree that we need food and water and guns. The time frame is where I have to respectfully disagree.

        3 Months would for that time frame and that is what the FED wants. After that date they will have all of the FEMA camps running and taking in more people.

        IMHO I think you need at least 1 1/2 years worth. Here is why. Within a year the folks in the FEMA Camps will get restless and the camps will collapse. When this happens there will be Zombies and Leaches walking across the country looking for food and water. Remember there won’t be as many, but there will still be some. I believe by this time things will settle down and it will be time to rebuild. This is my opinion.

        Sgt.

        • mallardhen says:

          I always like to err on the safe side lets go for 24 months just to be safe. I know that sounds like a long time but you also have to allow for time for the planting and the harvest to come in when It’s all over.

        • DMONIC says:

          Another thing you all are missing: an invading force. Do you people REALLY think China, Russia, etc will be content to just let America collapse and let the survivors rebuild? Fat chance there!

          • DHS Jackbooted Rascal says:

            We still got nukes. That’s why they won’t do anything. They invade, we turn their place into ashes. MAD at it’s best.

            • DMONIC says:

              I have to disagree. At the point where America implodes is when we no longer have a functioning govt, except a “rogue” military, thinking they have to “do their job”. Meaning nuke someone. I just don’t know. Nukes aint that bad if you read and educate yourselves.

        • Rebel in Idaho says:

          True, but 18months seems overwhelming and out of reach for many. I figure if I can get some to actually try for 3 then I’ve done some good and maybe saved some lives in a lot of scenarios.

          Our goal is to grow 80% of the food we eat and be able to trade things we produce for the rest. Bananas just won’t grow here. Of course we started with a 12ga, a good first aid kit, and 1 month of food and water and have been building up ever since.

          Your opinion is totally valid but getting people to take concrete and easily doable steps at starting down that road is more practical than getting them to buy into our wish list.

          • Sgt. Dale says:

            RiI
            You are right “Doable steps”. I keep looking at the big picture.
            You know when you start to prep for you and yours you start looking at it and you think it’s not enough so you keep adding.
            You make a very good point. We have to remember to lead new preppers not to push them.
            Sgt.

      • DMONIC says:

        I just LOVE how you people think its just so damn easy! “Oh, just move out of big cities”… Last time I checked I have bills to pay and be responsible. I don’t have the luxury to be a hillbilly and “live off the land”. So what, you are saying for me to just walk away from my mortgage, max out my credit cards for supplies, head to the damn hills and ride off into the sunset for some calamity that’s supposed to have been coming for the last 8 years, and it STILL hasn’t happened? Nah, I’ll chill where I’m at, because sooner or later, all the hordes of obamazombies will move out into the rural areas where you’re hanging out at. Then I will have my very own DMONICTOPIA! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

        • Jones says:

          For the record, if you’re going to be a ” real” hillbilly you’ve got to loose most of your front teeth so you can whistle ” twixt” them. If you don’t do that they’ll spot you a mile away as a city slicker type.

        • Hunkerdown says:

          @Dmonic: Prepping isn’t easy for anyone. Stay in the city: Die, it’s that simple. On the other hand, no matter how many bills you have, you can’t afford to stay in a city. Frustratingly, you are correct on all these Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, Rick Wiles, and Dave Hodges types, saying the sky is falling for the last eight years. They have gotten rich at other people’s fear. But you got to leave before it hits, and that is a call only you can make. I have the same problem in Victoria, Texas. We are situated between Houston, San Antonio, and the Border. Three nuclear power plants are within 70 miles straight line distance. Dow, Dupont, Invista, and Formosa Plastics all have huge, and I’m talking big honk’n huge chemical plants within 15 miles of my home with prevailing winds blowing towards the front door. You got to have, as we do, a get out of Dodge plan immediately before or just after teotwawki. Because after it hits, “YOYO”. (YOU ON YO OWN). Having a fail proof get away plan is part of prepping. Without it, we’re just hoarding. Thanks, calm down, and make a plan. This is your moment. Don’t waste it!

          • DMONIC says:

            @Hunkerdown- Oh I’ve prepped, but I’m doing exactly as your name describes- hunkering down! Ive already mapped out all roads, learned which ones will be clear or congested and have a few backup plans- JIC! Its just not feasible leaving right now. For those of us watching, we all will have at least a day to GTFO if it comes to it. No worries here! Stay safe bud!

            • Rebel in Idaho says:

              Bugging in is a viable strategy and I wish you luck. You’ll want more guns, ammo, NV, body armor, and a secret stash of food and water with less of a focus on gardening and livestock. We just have too many young children to risk staying where we used to live outside Atlanta.

              Just as a thought, let’s assume you wait it out and live through the worst. At some point let’s say you want to abandon the now wrecked and dangerous city. There will be people like us that could very well welcome your help out in the country if you had the right skills and could convince us to trust you.

              If you’re going to pursue a bug in strategy, consider what you will do two years after you have been successful.

              Again, best of luck and please don’t join the looters.

              • Hunkerdown says:

                Reb and Dmonic: Looting never! But when the homes are destroyed, the owners dead, or never coming home again, then scavenging would be ok and hopefully couldn’t be counted as a crime or a sin. I’m not looking forward to this mess at all. Who would have ever thought we could be brought down to this depth so soon? I was raised in Georgia, and agree, surviving around Atlanta would be impossible. Dmonic, good luck on the escape plan and once on the move, keep moving. thanks to both of you and God bless.

      • The Cookin' Mom says:

        No credit card? No checking act?
        NO PROBLEM. Just mail in a money order to:

        LDS Distribution Center
        1999 West 1700 South st.
        Salt Lake City, Utah 84104

        Print your information and order neatly.
        Short list….
        Macaroni. .. $30.00
        White rice. ..33.25
        White flour. . $26.00
        Potato flakes. …31.75
        White sugar. ..43.25
        Regular oats…24.75

        Shipping and handling $3.00 per order (not per case)
        Takes about 2 weeks total and the nice FedEx man
        Will bring it right to your door.
        Macaroni setting on my couch now…..it works!

        • The Cookin' Mom says:

          Oh, I forgot. …These are 6 #10 cans per case!
          Hope this helps !!!

          • Texasprepper says:

            Great place for long term food storage items. They actually have a store here in the Houston area. On some trips to the big city I’ll stop by the LDS cannery and pick up items. Actually going there tomorrow. Really nice people, good prices. Also have water filters, mylar bags, and bulk items.

            • The Cookin' Mom says:

              @T
              They have a small selection of basic starter items.
              Some preppers aren’t able to drive and get out and some don’t have checking accounts. All they need , in this case , is for a money order to be purchased and they can have #10 cans delivered to their door.

          • Nobama says:

            I have ordered from them many times over the years, back then shipping was free, even though the $3 they charge now is very reasonable I think. Great site to do business with.

          • Rebel in Idaho says:

            The LDS Preparedness Manual is another great service they provide and if I could have only one prepping book . . .

    6. Barn Cat says:

      “They will claim that a strong dollar is the cause of all our economic pain and that a loss in value is necessary.” Exactly. Just as China has been devaluing their currency, the US will devalue the dollar. Jim Willie has been saying that two 35% devaluations are coming.

      People need to stock up on gold and silver so they’ll be protected when the dollar is devalued. Now is a good time to sell stuff you don’t need on Craigslist or eBay. I sold a Mac Book and a Mac Mini. I used the money to buy more silver.

      • Nobama says:

        Gold and silver is a scam. Pay a premium over spot when you buy, and get less than spot when you sell. Fucking scam both ways.

        Better PM investment is copper/lead/brass.

    7. Thor says:

      Silver and gold will have no value this time. Food,water,bullets and medical supplies will have the most value for bartering when the shtf happens. Buy lead I am!!!

      • Hunkerdown says:

        Thor: Ditto, for the life of me I can’t see any logical reason to stumble around in the woods, heavily laden with gold, silver, and jewels, after the lights go out. Water, food, ammo, and medicine equals life, poor though it may be. Precious metals and jewels equals a rich death. I’m sticking with the former. Thanks and God bless.

        • Rebel in Idaho says:

          If you can afford to buy gold and silver why on earth would you be stumbling around the woods? PMs have their place in preps but it’s pretty far down the list except perhaps a small amount that’s intended to be used as cash in your BOB.

          Stick with making it through the first two years before worrying how much wealth you were able to preserve at the end of those two years. Survival first, then move on to thriving post SHTF.

      • DMONIC says:

        And TP. LOTS and LOTS of TP!!!

    8. I concur with Thor –
      Gold & Silver is good, if you are able to survive what we face and there is some kind of civility; and order is restored back into place.

      Otherwise, the typical prepping items to me has more value and significance over precious metals.

    9. Satori says:

      JPM Head Quant Warns Second Market Crash May Be Imminent: Violent Selling Could Return On Thursday

      ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-27/jpm-head-quant-warns-second-market-crash-may-be-imminent-violent-selling-could-retur

    10. Houst/Cypress/Katy/Shtf says:

      BANNED FROM SHTFPLAN.COM

      AGENCY ASS CLOWN LIST:

      Mr Realistic-BANNED
      Troll-io the clown-BANNED
      Agency ass clown-BANNED
      Woggie-BANNED
      Justme-the fake one-BANNED
      Pink-BANNED FOR GAY PORN VIDEO’S-YOUR FRICKIN BANNED.

      CLEARED OF AGENCY ASS CLOWNRY and proven new posters.

      FTW-Cleared and ligitimate poster-welcome to the board.

      Lolong-cleared of agency ass clownry and ligitimate poster-welcome to the board.

      We at the shtfplan.com are not into good news and feel food porn, we are pessimist that belive that government does not love us, we are not entitled inviduals.

      Chances are if your on the banned list, we dont want you here, so pizz off. I talk to scientist, we are going straight to hell and we will continue to amp up the fear, Fear is a good thing, it makes us prep.

      Aka,

      HCKS,

      Agency azz clown moderator.

      • Oracle says:

        Don’t let them bother you. Just keep doing what your doing and nevermind them. I don’t understand why people on here have to be nasty. I have been reading this site for years and rarely post because people rip you apart over stupid things. It doesn’t matter if we agree on every point because we’re all here for the same reason. We’re all here to be informed and learn from each other not argue over nonsense or belittle someone for fun. Don’t let them get to you HCKS.

      • Just Me- The Fake One says:

        Well there hcks, I’m sorry to see that I can’t post here anymore. I’m really interested in hearing more about the ” oobie protocol” but you’ve forever banned me from posting, oops, I forgot, I was not allowed to post this, please disregard, never happened, carry on.

      • lolong says:

        Hcks. Thank you for the welcome, I’ve learned and enjoyed your posts very much

    11. Houst/Cypress/Katy/Shtf says:

      Sgt Sarge, your right on the money. It’s the post shtf that is concerning. I have looked at local crime statistics in my area and you would not believe the crimes and crap going on in this city, just down the street from where i am currenlty sitting in my office. These crimes will be miltiplied times 10,000, once the food and water cuts off. I cannot tell people how important it is to have a good PUMP shot gun, a Mossberg or Weatherby and lots of No.4 and .00 Buck shot if when shtf comenses.

      Within, the first 3 weeks is when the leaches cockroaches and other thug direlict leaches come out to really scavange. The cabal calls them zombies because they will literally running toward us trying to get to us, our family and supplies. The govenment has what they call Zombie protocol. Zombie protocol, now what the hell kind of title is this and wtf? could this possible mean? Does this mean that when people run out of food and water, that if they catch you, that they will lireallry bite a chunk of meat out of you, if your caught and hack you to death?

      OOBIE PROTOCOL, WHAT A NAME FOR THE NON PREPPERS?
      Now isn’t this and interesting title name to people in post calapse.

      Aka,

      HCKS.

      Jesus Koverist, we in literally in it now.

      • Dr. Richard says:

        Forget the pump shotgun – that’s old school. I’ll stick with my heavily modified Saiga semi auto 12 gauge with a 20 round drum and plenty of spare mags. Much faster and more effective at room clearing, riot stopping, and zombie removal.

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          DOC.
          You hit it on the head.
          Put a Saiga together for my wife. She is a average size gal 5’7″ 145LBS and she can handle it like I handle my 1000 Remington tactical.
          Very good choice.
          Have you looked at the new model 1919 12Ga.?
          My Nephews are talking about getting them to at to the anti-zombie defense group. Any thoughts?
          Sgt.

        • Rebel in Idaho says:

          I’ll agree that the Saiga is really cool when you don’t have any feeding issues. Factory mags seem to help, as does spending a lot of money on the modifications.

          For lots less money you can get an AK47, a Glock (pick you’re favorite calibre), a 12ga pump, and a whole lot of ammo and mags. I like reliable and these three are extremely reliable and effective for the money.

      • The Agency Azz Clowns says:

        hcks,

        Yes we would like to extend our thanks also to Sgt.Sarge. Congratulations on your new promotion to site moderator! This will now give you the power to decide who gets to sit next to you on Niburu In April 2016 when it exterminates most of the human race, well done! You’ve also revealed our plans for ” oobie” protocol, which was top secret before, known only by your scientist friend and Alex jones. Somehow you always manage to infiltrate our most secret plans and secret codes, such as ” oobie oobie”.

        The Agency Azz Clowns

        Forgetting we’ve been banned from this site by hcks

        Don’t you just love it.

      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Damn HCKS, I wasn’t mentioned as one of the ban’eroonies.
        But what the hell it’s alright. Some other time maybe. I still think you’re crazier than a shit-house rat. But shucks maybe some think the same of me. I actually thinks you might have something…….Keep bringing the mail.

        • hcks scientist friend says:

          Glad to see I didn’t make the list either, but what, wait a minute, I’m hcks scientist friend, right? So it would stand to reason that I wouldn’t be on that list, but 1 thing I’ve learned from my association with hcks is NOTHING ever stands to reason with him, oobie, oobie, over an out.

      • Thanks for more paragraph breaks in your posts. Makes things a heck of a lot easier to read!

      • DMONIC says:

        HCKS- you can come hang out with me, I’m still fairly new in the area, but know it pretty well!! I’ve been reading about all the crimes happening in the area and it is pretty scary.

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        HCKS
        Thank Bud!
        Any more news from you friend? Things are not looking so bright out there.
        Keep us informed.
        Thanks
        Sgt.

      • skeptic says:

        Wow– Weatherby is making shot guns.

    12. The Prophet says:

      This the end of much more than the economy. Look at the big picture.

    13. 2 DOGS says:

      FEMA region 4 here. this is not a normal market

    14. I don’t understand the market. I was always told to view it as gambling. I believe most people myself included can not afford to prepare for hyperinflation. Prices are already inflated. Most of us are barely getting by as it is. If it gets worse well I for one don’t want to think about it. And I know I’m not the only one who feels that way. My decision to spend $24.00 at Costco on a tree instead of steak was perhaps the best decision of my life. Not that I don’t enjoy a good steak. A six or seven year old tree that has had a year of fruiting is ideal and available. A better investment than gold. Unlike canned goods, it goes on producing year after year. Grow in containers if you have no space or are planning to move. I’m not suggesting that you’ll be able to get by without the essentials. Keep stocking up. Just add trees too your list of must haves.

      • Hunkerdown says:

        Trees vs. Steak: Glad you bought the tree. We have two pear and two peach growing in our small front yard. We also are doing the container thing. And you are right, they just keep on giving. thanks for a good conversation.

    15. yupyup says:

      AMZN market cap is worth more than WMT!
      Anyways, YES! QE does fulfill its purpose: transfer massive wealth from working Americans to elite investors. No doubt, there will be another, and another, and another. Its basically free money with little cost other than some political spin effort. Its just like FRB saying they will raise rates: that’s is just plain dumb. They are captured in the gravity of their own credit bubble. They are powerless now. Only thing they can do it continue to shovel the gold off the ship and into the lifeboats of the elites.
      Will the American people recover? Well, I think 80% are not even in the stock market. 30% of Americans produce value every day. Doesn’t matter the currency or the rulers, we will always be of value and able to produce value. That’s what the elites and the fereigners don’t get. You can’t “kill America” or even turn America into a socialist state of the UN rulers, as long as freedom and fear of God remain for those of us who matter.

      Oh yeah, great article. Its sort of like a tragic comedy watching the chickens in this market. The market has already turned but people are jumping in nonetheless. Welp, that’s why bears down fall straight down I guess. Will be odd watching this thing bounce around the next year.

      I’m not sure why the world economy will collapse as seems it is very productive. But coming out of the other end maybe some things will become more apparent. Maybe the “Forward P/E” expected for so many stocks is just folderol…

    16. Houst/Cypress/Katy/Shtf says:

      No PO’d Patriot. I can tolterate you. It’s the nature of the attacks when i post certain types of info. You are attacking me differently that the others, so this is why you are not on the list. Something interesting about this article Hodges just posted. For me, i have personally seen these identical 3 story high rail carts in the middle of trains on Hwy 90 coming from Rosenberg for years. They would add a few of them at a time to not make it looks suspicious. How many times have i seen it, over 20 times in 5 years. Its all making sense now.

      http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/08/27/jade-helm-fema-camp-preparations-are-entering-final-preparations/

      See link. Good luck to who every is planning to put men on the carts off to the execution camps with the guillotines, and the shipped off on trucks to chinese soldiers.

      Promised to chinese soldiers, by the Canadian General, Mr” Tow bullets to the head of men in the house hold, and “we will let the chinese soldiers to the women and girls as they please”

      Good luck trying that in Texas. Be kind enough to dump my body into a mass grave, the taugh of vultures eating my dead carcas in a field or in the city scares me.

      Aka,

      HCKS,

      Lest see you f…….ks try that in Texas, good luck to ya.

    17. Mensa Graham says:

      Forward indicator: BDI index. ht tp://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BDIY:IND

      This shows how much it costs to ship dry good such as copper, iron ore, oil and coal. Mostly China used to buy those sort of things and make everything with those raw materials. They are not doing very well now and it shows in this index.

      This index is sinking at the wrong time fo the year. It should be increasing because of manufacturing the holiday sales. Unfortunately it is not.

    18. Houst/Cypress/Katy/Shtf says:

      Sorry Mr agency ass clown DMONIC, i wont be hanging out with you. You are nothing more than a piece of sh…t that society does not need. I take you comment thats directed toward me, a serious threat. Don’t come near me and test me. Most posters on this site tell other what they will do if this or that happens. I can’t speak on their behalf, however if anyone of your people, you or anyone else tryt to kill me or hurt me, prepare to have bad day, i will break your arms and your legs, and you will not be walking for quite some time. I hope this helps to answer your indirect threat toward me. Do not test these instructions.

      Aka,

      HCKS.

      • DMONIC says:

        Dude you are seriously messed up in the head!! I didn’t threaten you in the least bit, so get back on your meds! I was just saying I was new to Texas you psycho. You are the asshat prick making the threats here so fuck off.

        • McDonalds says:

          I’m lovin’ it, yes I’m lovin it, ba da da da DA!

        • Texasprepper says:

          Dmonic, where are you from? Welcome to The Republic of Texas. You will find most true Texans are very friendly and will welcome you as long as you assimilate into our way of life and don’t try to change us to be more like where you came from. Once again, WELCOME!

          • DMONIC says:

            Thanks Texasprepper! I got out of that liberal dystopia that is Chiraq and finally found my place with like minded people here! I always say- Yankee by birth, Texan by choice, and that I was born on the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon line! I have never voted for a demonrat in my life, and never will. I believe in the Constitution and the oath I took to defend it against enemies both foreign and domestic and appreciate all of the hospitality Texas has shown me! With the exception of that DB hcks or whatever. Hey, that’s OK! 1 bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch down here! Thanks for the welcome as a True Texan that you are!

          • Rebel in Idaho says:

            So a guy from Texas and a guy from Mississippi are riding on a train and start talking. Not too long into the conversation the guy form Texas starts bragging about how big Texas is.

            He says “Texas is so big that you can rid a train all day, all night, and when you wake up the next morning you’re still in Texas!”

            The guy from Mississippi says “Man we’ve got those damn slow trains too!”

      • Oracle says:

        Everyone needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

        • DMONIC says:

          Oracle- Agency Assclown HCKS needs to get back on its meds. This POS makes Acid Etch look like a Reverend.

          If this asshat really is a mod for this site, Mac needs to get his head out of his ass. Doubtful it is though. Certifiable nutjob that one!!

    19. Phenias option says:

      What happened to Jeremiah Johnson?

    20. James P says:

      Haha, conspiracy theorists. Sit on the sidelines in fear as the rest of the world benefits. Are we above the mean, sure. But put things in perspective. Benefit from the conspiracy theorists’ fear mongering by buying on the dips and then let it ride. You’ll do better than the average 8-9% annual return.

      10-Year Returns of the S&P 500 Index — from 1926-2014, look at returns over a longer time frame. A 10-year perspective has worked in an investor’s favor 95% of the time.

      https://www.franklintempleton.com/funds/2020vision/history-favors-long-term-investing

    21. Who ever coined the phrase , “money doesn’t grow on trees”, must have been trying to stamp out the competition; because, it is a Big Whopper. Collecting fruit (including nuts) from your tree is like collecting dollar bills, dividends.

    22. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Dmonic, I find your handle offensive. Most people that chose title like that, and I have learned from experience, it’s usually bad people. Now look at your reaction toward me. Talking t meds. All Agency azz clown accuse me if being on meds..instead of trying to back up your self you go on the attack. When I suspected that FTW was Agency ass clown, FTW being to constructive genius that he is toms me flat out that he was not, I was wrong and he is now posing a lot of sense content.. jasckass, I read contracts everyday and have cuatomers sign then daily na cab read between the lines so don’t insult my intelligence fool..even the cops who post on here are coming under attack.. ligitimate posters always start off telling everyone that hey are prepping for what’s coming. Agency ass clowns jump on mad attack me and others immediately, that’s the difference..you made all the errors MR DMONIC.. so shut up fool, I am cleaning up the filth on this site free of charge for Mac.

      YOUR BANNED- YOUR BANNED- DMONIC.

      I hereby accuse you of Agency ass clownry. Your guilty, period.

      YOUR BANNED- DONT COME BACK ON THIS ONE EVER AGAIN..

      Get your ass back to work in your cubicle in your pizz azz fusion center, you troll.

      Aka,

      HCKS.

      Ass clown super moderator.

        • The Agency Azz Clowns says:

          DMONIC,

          Have you not read the most recent edict of the mighty hcks? You were NOT allowed to make that last post of yours so now you’ve gone an upset EVERYTHING! You have now unknowingly unleashed a dreadlock brain eating zombie attack on the Houston area in hcks neighborhood. Now the only chance hcks will have of getting out alive will be to contact Dave Hodges and Alex Jones to fly in on the special anti-dreadlock zombie chopper and repel the zombies by quoting from the book of Nostradamus. It’s gonna be close for sure, but with any luck hcks shouldn’t lose more than half of his brain, which will definitely improve the grammar of his future posts.

          The Agency Azz Clowns

          Somehow managing to post despite hcks’ total ban on us.

          Don’t you just love it? better not try to take over my office either shtf’ers.

    23. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Sarge, I will keep you posted. I have another meeting with yours truly and this time I will write what I was told and leak a few extras.

      Dmonic, let’s see what kind of content you have to offer that is useful constructive info. Prove yourself and get accepted into the shtf community..everyone deserves a chance. Any attacks against David hodges guarantees a ban. Any attacks on his info, will not be tolerated on this site, period.

      Aka,

      HCKS.

      I can work with the cops but not with the agency ass clowns..

      • Anonymous says:

        You’re having another meeting with ” yours truly?” So, you’re saying that you have another meeting with ” yourself?” I find myself wondering, especially in a bad economy like this one, just what the hell kind of office job could a kooky pooky like you hold down for more than a day? It must be really damned easy to get a job in Texas, the only requirement is you have to able to fog a mirror when breathing, sheesh!

      • DMONIC says:

        I have plenty to offer, unless I’m attacked, unprovoked, and threatened. I have no idea who David Hodges is, and don’t really care to. My original post to you was out of camaraderie- i.e.- come hang with me and Ill make the popcorn when SHTF, yet you threatened me with bodily harm and called me a piece of shit. So, yea. I especially liked the “don’t fuck with me or I’ll tear you apart” nonsense, then tried to back it up by saying “ask my fellow armchair warriors, they know I’M a badass”… LOL! Whatev punk. I’m done with ya. Good day to you.

    24. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Talking about shot guns. I have to agree with Sarge and Dr Richard, the pump us not a good street cleaner like the Saiga 12. I an old school, I like the pump, the mossberg, 590A1. My buddy has a Saiga, it’s serious son of a bitch. Its good because you can use. 79 caliber acuptips. Even with the recoil buttstock, it’s kicks horrifically, this is no toy. Its the ultimate street cleaner. A clip of 12 rounds of Hornady SST, makes this a very lethal weapon..

      Aka,

      HCKS.

    25. tator says:

      It’s just a correction folks so buy more stocks, cause NOW is the time and the price is right…

    26. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      DMONIC CLEARED OF AGENCY ASS CLOWNRY

      Dmonic. Welcome to the board. Your pass word was seen your post. Your a former soldier, Then your are one of us. He matched up finally. As for the rest of your agency ass clowns, f…k r all. thanks to Texas Prepper for the initiative.

      DMONIC – CLEARED OF AGENCY ASS CLOWNRY.

      See Mr D, I am not a prick, just tying to clean up the crap around here.. I have friends who were Iraq..

      You are now on the shtfplan.com

      Aka,

      HCKS.

    27. Patriot One says:

      From a small business point of view this has been a slow motion train wreak since August 2006. From 2006 thru 2009 I watched one contractor after another lose everything they had especially if they were doing new construction. First they had to cut the employees, then the equipment , then the toys ( Atv’s, boat’s, car’s, motorcycle, RV’s) after that the house, family, wife and in some cases life; when they ate their gun!!

      The recovery on main street is a joke. Though half of my competition is gone, I’m not growing. My customers continue to cut back. The are selling the second home, the pleasure car and any toys. On the road where my office is there are no less then 6 homeless camps in small patches of wooded areas.

      In closing this is the greatest recovery no one ever felt. Everything in the financial world is distorted, manipulated or flat out fake. For the last 9 years now this has been a slow death spiral that’s been getting wider and deeper.

    28. Asshat says:

      That saiga must way a lot compared to my mav88. I don’t shoot it anymore anyone can hit moving targets with a shotty it’s boring. Moved on from shotguns but I agree it’s nice to have. Someone mentioned fruit trees I got some they fruit once a year mulberries in the beginning of summer and apples around now. These trees are 30 ft tall and produce a lot of poundage. I like them they were here when I bought the place so I left them all the other trees I cut down they were way too big and would have fell on the house plus they were regular trees not fruit they did nothing for me. Got pumpkins sweet potatoes peppers tomatoes cucumbers sweet peas. What I do is when the spring comes let the garden go for a bit then I pick out the seedlings till the garden then put the seedlings back in and they grow. Doing a garden is so easy and worth it too. Just a little weeding and pruning here and there and it’s good to go. I’m no green thumb just followed what my buddy told me to do and have been successful. Might pull out the Dutch oven this weekend and cook on the fire out back. Chill I will be good. I try to practice skills when I can so I can transition to reality faster when the facade comes down. No panicking just doing things the old fashioned way that works every time.life will slow down dramatically I can’t wait.

    29. Kevin G says:

      They’ve been lying to us for a long time,their father is of lies!
      But the light is beginning to shine!

    30. Old Cop says:

      Lol! I always say it takes one to know one.

    31. Old cop says:

      Eeek! I think my comments have been lost in space lately.

    32. Native Born American says:

      It’s going to get real ugly later this year.

    33. Anonamous says says:

      Market has went back to boring for now and that is good. We do not want anything exciting
      Happening that would mess our world up. Enjoy today, the sun, the earth, the blue sky,your
      Family……….

    34. lolong says:

      Hcks is a leader here show respect demon ,lose that name as well it is sacrilegious. End is near . Repent

    35. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Lolong, thanks for the support. DMONIC has to keep his handle so that we know it him posting. He is former marine so these guys talk like that. I hope I didn’t scare him off. No Agency ass ckown will sys they he swore and oath..so he is in and can post..sometimes I screw and accuse of Agency ass clownry. So I have to apologize to DMONIC. I apologize DMONIC, for my mishap. I ain’t perfect but close to it..

      Aka,

      HCKS

      • The Agency Azz Clowns says:

        Indeed, not only is hcks “a” leader, he’s ” the ” leader. Well hcks, I think it’s likely you scared him off with your perfection in grammar, You know, how the hell could anybody even TRY to be you? You who control all the seating on board Niburu, all access to Dave Hodges and the scientist friend who must forever be nameless, you, who can spot all the foreign troops undercover in EVERY Chinese restaurant in Houston, You, the only one in America who knows exactly when and how the world will come to an end, you, the only moderator on this site who can tell us who can and can’t post a comment. Yessireee, pretty big shoes to fill there hcksy, no wonder you scared him off.

        The Agency Azz Clowns

        How we can keep posting when hcks banned us is a mystery.

        Don’t you just love it shtfer’s, wtf, hcks ain’t our leader?

      • DMONIC says:

        OK everyone, you are reading WAY too fucking much into my “username”- DMONIC. I don’t give a rats ass about your retarded “sensibilities”. I picked this username over 20 years ago and its not because you asshats pronounce it DEMONIC.

        I refuse to say WHY I picked this handle because it would threaten exposing my REAL name. If y’all don’t like, piss off.

      • DMONIC says:

        Hold the fuck up! I aint no fucking jarhead… US Army, Scouts. AKA “ICU” forward deployed recon. AKA ftkftg. Them jarheads didn’t go nowhere without our intel…

    36. Frank Thoughts says:

      Many can’t fathom how we can have an economy in a depression yet costs keep going up. Here is a great explanation as to why the UK will get more and more expensive in the face of declining wages and declining services: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article52038.html

      In a word, it is immigration, or out-of-control immigration. Now, I do not mind because there is nothing as more odious than the modern white British person: they either come in the following ‘flavors’: veiny-nosed, alcoholic old men, crumbly-boned old bags, pot-bellied, bald-head pig-ignorant, puffy fat middle aged men, fat-tummied, brain-dead street thug, pompous, child-molester, posh elitist, ugly women with a hygiene problem. Ironically, the migrants represent a much-needed vigorous blood infusion in the country.

    37. CommonCents says:

      Frank Thoughts – I’d like to add ‘rotten-toothed.’

      • Frank Thoughts says:

        Good point: and this is after free dental care for all since 1945. The British also have the worst health in the EU despite having a free healthcare system as well. My personal view is this: most advanced Western nations deployed a variation of eugenics to improve the gene pool. That is why so many in Scandinavia looks so good. The UK considered it but instead went for a welfare state. This had the result of encouraging the stupidest and worst people to multiply and breed (thus the common British street thug known to most via film and novels and TV news reports). The British in short over-produced scumbags and now have to import the brains, beauty and hard workers from around the world in order to keep their economy going.

    38. Verax says:

      This article like many of Brandon’s article is a very accurate assessment of the situation. I’ve been working, living and doing business in China for the past four years now. What just occurred in the markets here, at best only a third of the country might have even heard a whisper of here. Few really have any idea what’s going on in the country, and no current info of what’s happening anywhere else in the world. The wealthy leave the country, immigrate and invest their money in the US or Europe. The US economy has been sick for years now in decline along with a host of other political, social problems, the EU also has some serious long standing problems, Spain, Italy and France are the next to go under. If even one of those goes down, good-bye EU. The global economy has never recovered and neither has the US. Asset bubbles are everywhere from Shanghai to London to NY. Stocks, bonds, real estate, luxuxy goods, you-name-it, global trade from China to the EU at 2009 lows now. The whole global economic system is a ponzi-house of cards headed for collapse.

     

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