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    Jim Rogers Warns: “You Better Run for the Hills!”

    Mac Slavo
    March 29th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    Well known investor Jim Rogers, who made his fortune during the 1970′s crisis by investing in commodities like precious metals, has long-warned about the calamity faced by, not just America, but the world as a whole.

    Rogers understands that we are living in perilous times, and that actions by governments, finance ministers and officials across the globe have left us on the brink of a very serious collapse that will end with currency turmoil, food shortages, panic, social unrest and a total shakedown of average citizens.

    Now, with Europe having taken the unprecedented step of seizing private funds of depositors, Rogers suggest that time is running short and that those with the means to do so should get ready for the worst:

    It’s pretty scary what’s going on in Europe…when they start taking money out of people’s bank accounts. I, for one, am making sure I don’t have too much money in any single bank account anywhere in the world.

    Now there is a precedent…The IMF has said loot the bank accounts. The EU has said loot the bank accounts.

    So you can be sure that other countries, when the problems come, are going to say… let’s do it too.

    …They’re going to go crazy the next time around.

    It’s going to happen. Of course it’s going to happen…

    It’s politicians who are telling you it’s a special case… oh, don’t worry, don’t worry, don’t worry.

    What more do you need to know?

    When politicians are saying ‘You don’t have to worry’…

    Please, you better hurry, you better run for the hills. I’m doing it anyway.

    I want to make sure that I don’t get trapped.

    Think of all the poor souls that just thought they had a simple bank account. Now they find out that they are making a ‘contribution’ to the stability of Cyprus. The gall of these politicians.

    Don’t trust any government. If you’re going to listen to government, you’re going to go bankrupt very quickly.

    Source: Interview CNBC

    Like his friend and colleague Marc Faber who has recommended farmland and hard assets to protect oneself, Jim Rogers says it’s time to head for the hills. The fact is that Rogers has been a proponent of personal self reliance and farming since before the start of this crisis, having once argued that in the future it’ll be farmers who will be driving Ferraris, rather than Wall Street bankers. Like Faber, who lives in the remote hills of rural Thailand, Rogers also owns property outside of major cities and says hard assets (commodities) will be one of the few safe havens during a major crisis.

    As students of history and economics, both Rogers and Faber understand that major cities are not the place to be when modern-day financial and convenience delivery systems fall apart.

    Be as far outside of the blast radius as possible. It’s gonna’ get ugly.

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    1. DRD5508 says:

      “It’s gonna’ get ugly”. The theme most of us are prepping for. The gov’ts are hoping (by following the politicans words) that most of the populace are in a state of apathy.
      Been helping mnay for years to get out of the banks.

      Next month, I’ve been invited to give a survival group a class on survival tips and tactics. Have enjoyed the past 3 months of quietly sitting and listening to their once a month gathering. The info has been spot on and I suspect some are on this site.

      On this Good Friday, have a great weekend folks and Mac, Thanks again for tolerating us all and keeping this site going.

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      • KY Mom says:

        The Cyprus “blueprint for bank failures” is spreading…

        Cyprus-Style Bank Account Confiscation is in the New Canadian Government Budget

        “The Canadian government is actually proposing that what just happened in Cyprus should be used as a blueprint for future bank failures up in Canada.”

        http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/cyprus-style-bank-account-confiscation-is-in-the-new-canadian-government-budget

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        • Rodster says:

          And the Cyprus bail-in is costing those with 100K Euros or more 80% and not 40% which was thrown around.

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          • In USA retirement accounts (401(k), etc) are where the money is. A manufactured crisis that sends the masses begging to be saved will occur. My smug friends that brag about their 401(k) balances can switch to bragging about their brand new GRAs (guaranteed like SS!).

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            • Eeder says:

              there are actually people who brag about there 401k holdings? bwaha, blahhaha,bw, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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            • MadMarkie says:

              Yo Bob -

              A company funded pension plan is a relic of the once proud past of the United States. A relic of the days when our country was the Manufacturing/Industrial Giant of the entire world. As a relic of that past myself, I still get a small one of those company funded pensions each month; it transfers to my wife should I die first.

              The 401k, etc. so-called “retirement plans” available to the young, working adults of today are nothing more than “digital-money”, printed out and mailed to you every so often, that are supposed to represent actual “money” that you are supposedly “saving” for a so-called retirement. Your fucking “Golden-Years”, or so they say.

              Irregardless of the fact that this so-called “money” doesn’t really exist, other than out there in an electronic ‘la-la-land’ invented by the banksters; there are simply TRILLIONS of digital $ worth of various IRA & 401k type of plans out there.

              How about a new law passed late at night there in D.C.??? Something to the effect that ALL of these retirement plans MUST hold at least 50% Treasury Bonds. Methinks that our gooberment is already casting lust-full eyes on all this “money” just sitting there as I write.

              The PTB will do simply ANYTHING at all possible to keep on kicking the ‘can’ of financial responsibility just a little bit further down the road.

              Please get as far out of the “SYSTEM”, financially speaking, as you possibly can. That 3% – 5% that your company is/may be matching won’t be there for you to retire on anyway. But in the here and now of things, that money will add up quickly in terms of the depth of your pantry and other areas of need. You may or may not be able to get your hands on the money, but you CAN quit contributing anytime that you elect.

              God Bless & good luck to all.

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              • JayJay says:

                Goods are wealth which you HAVE….money is a mere claim on wealth which you DON”T HAVE.
                Learned that here.(smiley face inserted)
                I’m having a great Resurrection Dinner today with that wealth.
                Hope all here are enjoying the same.

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              • KHaze says:

                How can you drop the f bomb and say God bless in the same sitting ~ makes me uncomfortable. But it is your first amendment right…

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              • Jim S says:

                You’re too late with that idea. There’s already been bills prepared for the last 5-6 years that require about 40% of retirement accounts to be invested in government bonds. This idea is to take the risk out of saving for retirement. Yes, there’s the added benefit of all those who are now “forced investors” into the government Ponzi scheme, but that’s just a side benefit – sure.

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            • MattMcCollum says:

              Bob, this is exactly why I withdrew money from my 401k to pay off my house and vehicles. Though I suffered a 10% penalty for doing so, I now own the deed to my house and land and the titles to my vehicles.

              Worst case scenario, if I’m wrong, I might have to work a couple of extra years. But if I’m right, I would have lost a good percentage of it, anyway.

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              • Kevin2 says:

                Many have lost sleep over that decision. You made the secure decision.

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              • John W. says:

                If they can take your bank account they can also take your house and cars. hell they take peoples kids on a whim.

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              • JayJay says:

                Matt, how could you lose?
                That monthly mortgage/car loan money is now invested in your retirement instead of interest-bearing loans to mortgage company and banks.
                It is yours now–you can actually see it and hold it.
                Right?? It’s not some digital number mailed to you quarterly.

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              • Anonymous says:

                10%? No, more like 25%. I assume you were just making a point, but in case others follow the advise, the figure is 22-30%. It is the fee of 10% plus taxes at the end of the year… Just be sure to holds enough over to pay our Federal Gubermint.

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              • 4yearprepper says:

                Matt;
                That was a smart move in my book. Our house has been paid for many, many years. When we moved to the country we used the money on the sale of our previous house to pay cash for this one we are in now. Not big or fancy but it has served us well. Our SUV and my husbands work shop, truck, his mobile shop and all we own is paid for. I owe $112.00 on my credit card for a bucket of Wise Food Storage I just purchased.
                When the bill comes in that will be paid. I too am taking out money a little at the time from my emergency fund
                My husband has twice what I have i an IRA but won’t touch it.
                I wonder if the saying derived from “two heads are better
                than one even if one is a sheep’s head” from such a situation.

                4 year prepper

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              • Mario says:

                Sorry Matt, you don’t own anything in this country…Don’t believe me?.. Stop paying taxes, and see what you will own after that!…
                I hope you will never find the answer to that!…May be devastating…to anybody…
                Welcome to U.S.A. aka lately as United Slavery of Amerika…

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            • howdy-doody says:

              The only guarantee, is that there is no guarantee. I have relatives, who when discussing 401k’s and such, mention that in crisis times, the law will protect their accounts. What a bunch of crapola. Didn’t do the Cypriots any good did it?. History is on my side, not theirs. Crashes have happened before, and they will happen again. The Law didn’t protect them then, it won’t protect savers now.

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              • Mario says:

                Law is not made by lawmakers to protect you, the voter, usually is to stick it in your eye, the voter , and tell everyone ” You see how much work we did in your behalf?…We lost nights to reach the best deal for you, my dear sucker…awwww, I mean voter!…Please considering electing me on my next term!…”
                What they are not telling you is HOW THAT NEW LAW WILL BE ENFORCED!!!…Why? Because they don’t care, as long as they are on the top of the pye.
                You think an investment on Apple or Google in 2001 would make you rich? Try being a career politician: you spend 200-300k of other peoples money, aka OPM, all of them from donations, not a cent of your own, manage to get elected, and that’s it! You get instant access to TRILLIONS of dollars, which you can use to reward your contributing buddies, doesn’t matter on what business they are…usually not very succesfull, but heck, that’s why word subsidies is so wideknown this days…You do the best show you can provide for the next few years, carefull to not piss of your masters, but you have to push for some meaningless law, or to oppose an equal meaningless one, just to show “your base” how valuable you are, and , just in case your stunt doesn’t work one more time, you’re set for life. Pension,separate health care plans, and , yeah, those insider tips from your former buddyes, Congres, Senate, State Departments. Afterall, you supervised them at some point and made sure the taxpayers tit doesn’t run dry!!!…And that’s the worst scenario for the mofo…He/she can even be hired by big corporations (which, actually put he/she in elected position)as “legal advisors” and give them “a seat on the board”…Usually that ends in a mess, because the so called “lawmakers ” have no ideea what that law they were voting on actually contains…It happend over and over again. Starting with creation of Federal Reserve,which was a Treason Act by the fucking Wilson, but nobody impeach him then, despite A Law called US Constitution existed,should tell everybody what the LAW means this days…Want protection?… Sure, just tell us what you have, and after we’ll take it, a FEMA camp will suit you…
                Don’t like it?…
                No problem, we we’ll come after you anyway, it’s “just a matter of better good”…
                Is this “THE IDEEA OF AMERICA FAILED”, or just the reality?….
                Please wake up people. God gave us ten rules to live with …And were only TEN!!!…
                Why the US tax code has to be 110,000 pages long???!!!…
                That was supposed to replace God’s whish?!!!…
                howdy- dowdy,I just hope you will have a soul when your stupid friends will start scratching on your front door, and beg.At least then they will figure out charity is not a “right”…
                My heart goes with you.
                Anyway, remember, a beggar cannot be a chooser,but allways can kill you,if you’re not allert…

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        • Mordecai says:

          KY Mom,
          You’re right about Canada. Keep in mind that that document has been undergoing preparation for months and therefore the plan to steal money from depositors in Canada has been under consideration for months as well. Cyprus was a beta test to see how it would work out for the banksters. They know not to try another taxpayer TBTF bank bailout (theft).

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          • Before the FDIC people actually had to look into a bank’s practices before deciding to trust them with their money. The FDIC is just another mechanism for people to shrug off personal responsability. If a bank does fail it takes “premiums” from the other solvent banks to cover the bad one. I usually bank with credit unions and even then I only keep low balances. Leave them little to steal.

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          • Eeder says:

            yes, our “conservative” government, who are actually cut out of the same cloth as the Bushes, have alot of sinister plans for us. It seems they are getting so scared now though , that they are starting to turn on their own. Stephen Harper will wish he never had the job of leading Canada, if he hasn’t already come to this realization.

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              • Chimo89 says:

                The funny thing about this to me as a fellow Canadian is that the only reason you ridiculous people were Idol in the first place is because you have been practically spoon fed by Canadian taxpayer money your entire life. If you really are “Idol no more”, then get of your ass and go find another country too bleed dry. GOOD RIDDANCE.
                As for my American friends, we love you very much but unfortunately our best bet right now is to climb into bed with China.

                Sincerest Apologies,
                A Canadian.

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        • Also keep in mind, the timing of the budget was before the Cyprus final decision on bail out conditions.Which,by the way completely bypasses the Cypriot parliament because of hidden language in their laws designed to protect the banking system basically neutering any public input and thus “Democracy” as we know it. (Conspiracy? No. Pre- planned and now a reality? Most definitely.) Gov.Deposit Insurance here in Canada does not mean a thing when the interpretation of what constitutes the “business” relationship between a depositor/lender actually means.If you are willing to accept a meager sub 1% interest on your deposits in order for the banks to gamble/invest your money away,then you are in fact in ‘business’ with your bank.As you will undoubtedly start to hear in the msm is language like “systematically important” ie: too big to fail.Published in the bus. section of the edmonton journal this Thursday 28 Mar.2013,by the way.Keep in mind that cdn. banks were also ‘bailed out’in 08(with us dollars no less) and to my knowledge it has never been paid back despite record profits during these troubling times we find ourselves in.To my fellow awakened canadians and like-minded brethren to the south,you would do well to take the necessary steps sooner rather than later to fire-wall you and your loved ones.The enemy has always been within,the catastrophe that they have orchestrated is now at our door steps.

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        • Slobesky O'gorki says:

          Think that Canadian banks are somehow better than their U.S. counterparts? Think again! December 1991 saw the phasing out of the reserve requirement, over a three year period, that the Canadian chartered banks were supposed to have on hand, in relation to the amount of chequebook money loaned into existence.
          It is bad enough knowing that money is borrowed into existence, leveraged to a small percentage of deposits in a vault. That leverage is now left at the sole discretion of the banks operating in Canada. The way this economy works, this iniquitous system of things, doe not allow for keeping and enjoying the fruits of your labour without having the government and the bankers taking 50% and upwards away from you. Think about it! They have absolutely no skin in the game concerning your employment or your business, but they nonetheless take a good sized chunk of what you payed for with a portion of your time and efforts. We are all part of the problem. Those who invest in paper assets, holders of RRSP’s/401(k)’s, everyone who borrows money into exsistence via mortgages, loans, and credit cards,
          home equity credit lines, etc., I have read a few blogs about tiny house and fulltime R.V. lifestyles and that seems to be the best kept secret to living way below one’s means. I have done it myself as an oilfield work
          camper, in my own motorhome. As it turned out, I wanted for nothing, and I felt the most happiest I have ever felt in a very long time. I have reached the end of supporting an economy that is always conspiring to take from me, and am working toward getting rid of my McMansion, and out from under this economic morass, for good. After living in that motorhome for free, in my customer’s oilfield equipment shopyard, I experienced a far better way of living than what I have beeen doing for far too long. I can travel to where the work is, and live way below my means, and can pick and chose whether I want to work, or not. The money, from working on oilfield hydraulics, far exceeds any month to month living expenses that I ever had, living in the motorhome.
          Free power, wifi, water, 24/7 access of shop facilities and equipment. Living like this in a Class ‘A’ diesel pusher that’s paid off! What’s not to like?

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          • AUDENTIS FORTUNA IUVAT says:

            Orgorsky- Also here in the states we have many campgrounds at the state and county level. There is a campground by me here in Pennsylvania that you can rent a cabin for up to two weeks for only $14.00/night!….just a though if some of the RV’ers wanted to get out of them for a few days.

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          • Anonymous says:

            @ Mr. O’gorky; There are also many campsites here in the U.S. at the state,county and private level. There is one park near me in Pennsylvania that you can rent a cabin for up to two weeks at only $14.00/night!…..Just a thought for some of the RV gang out here.Best wishes to everybody here, the truth of reality today is stranger than fiction.

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          • gardenia says:

            @ Slobesky – Now that’s the kind of lifestyle I’ve always dreamed of in the past 12 years! Back in 2001 I told my friends I was going to sell my house to get out from under all the BS in Homeownership as a widow & buy a Holiday Motorhome. The Homeowners Insurance has gotten so HIGH it’s literally unaffordable, but without it I feel vulnerable, esp. with all the new sinkholes cropping up. Anyway, friends & family talked me out of it. Boo Hoo! Never should have listened to them. So here I am, still trapped. Just paid to have 14 yds. of mulch put down on the property & a bunch of plants replaced in preparation for a “For Sale” sign eventually. I think I’m going to rent for a while. Who knows …..

            ~~~ gardenia

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            • Grasshopper says:

              If you don’t have an official address–not PO box– but a real place to live, you cannot get car insurance. And if you have no car insurance, then you can’t get tags renewed, the cops can tow your car, you could end up in jail. TPTB have everything in your life covered– they want IT ALL!

              Furthermore, everything– car insurance, your address, the car itself–all, have to be in the same state. So you can’t give them a relative’s address who lives somewhere else. TPTB want EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!!

              And if you’re lucky enough to own land and house, that’s really not yours either because you have to pay taxes every year or TPTB will come take that away from you too. And if you can’t afford taxes, they don’t care. They will come steal your house which you’ve worked your whole life to pay for. They say EVERYTHING IS THEIRS!

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              • MegaYacht says:

                Not true Grasshopper. I have lived on my boat for a number of years now here in Florida. A physical residence is not necessary, you just have to explain in writing why you do not have a physical residence. I have a car, boat and enough supplies to sail away for several years when no if the time comes.

                Additionally I know for fact that in Texas you are allowed to use a P.O. Box as your official residence. This is true in several states, no law yet exists which says you must live in the state your drivers license is from.

                Get a passport, fry the RFID chip in it with a microwave or simple hit it with a hammer a few times to break it. Now you have a 100% untraceable ID. Get dual citizenship, it is easier than you think. Should the fuzz ask you for your ID give them your second (or third) passport and any address you want.

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                • allie says:

                  @MegaYacht—

                  Micorowave DOES NOT disable that chip, and second, it is a crime punishable by up to TWENTY FIVE YEARS to tamper with a passport in any way.

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          • sixpack says:

            WOW! you guys up there don’t have driver’s licenses, vehicle registration fees, vehicle licensing fees, car insurance or gas taxes? You can park the thing for free and access the water/sewer services for free?

            Of course you do. NOTHING IS FREE my friend. The governments will take from you one way or the other. If everyone could live for free by owning an RV, we’d all be in one. But we all can’t.

            If you don’t pay property taxes, you pay vehicle registration. If you don’t drive, you pay sales tax, taxes out of your check for something or the other.

            If you don’t work, well then, you pay for that in a different way.

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        • buggymak110 says:

          Well if they have the balls to do this they better prepare the army because here in quebec canada we don’t care about the queen and her bankster.and i will be in the front line for sure.they rape us with they’re taxes and so on THAT’S ENOUGH.

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          • Grasshopper says:

            Furthermore, if you find a tiny house and its especially small, and someone reports you, you will have to move from that too. There are certain requirements. Read the book, “12 by 12″.

            As far as the car insurance, the address (where you pay rent or taxes), etc, I know this is true from personal experience from dealing with the DMV and all their bull s– for the past year and half. They have us cornered, boxed in, no way to escape. You have to be part of their system. Period. Until things collapse…

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            • Anonymous says:

              You don’t have to be a part of THEIR system. You aren’t boxed in and you aren’t cornered. There is always an escape route or a way out. You make a choice to be compliant. If its really that bad, then leave. Get a passport, sell all your stuff and move to a decent country. There are many Americans who live outside the “walls” living and working, creating lives for themselves and their families.
              I wouldn’t recommend moving to Europe right now, but countries like Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand or some place in the Carribean or Pacific. There are so many countries better off than what you’ve got. Safer too!!! You can pretend its going to get better. Pretend even that you 401k will be waiting for you in years to come.
              I was only renting and didn’t have much to loose. Had lost my job, so instead of waiting to loose everything, I applied for visas, sold up what I had, took over a couple boxes of personal gear to a relative for safe keeping and moved country with some money I’d saved.
              Been gone two years now, have a job and share a place with a girl from Texas I met here. She manages a bar. Im an auto electrian. There are plenty of others here too.
              Just remember, you’re only trapped there cause you want to be. You need to make a choice.

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        • Gravlore says:

          And yet I should feel guilty if I ever go bankrupt. Banks get our money if they shit the bed and do not feel guilt. The system is coming down but lets not accept some bullshit new currency from some new dictator! Here in Canada we have been told that our banks are the best in the world. If this is true the world is F’d!

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        • The Hawk says:

          Jim Rickards reported that enterprise (software) manufacutrers for central banks are putting in 1-click deposit haircuts… More Cyprus’ are in our near future. I still believe the US will simply print. A lot easier to extract a stealth tax..

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      • Jim(another Jim) says:

        Well said DRD. Keep prepping everyone, but also enjoy this weekend and lets not forget this weekend isn’t just about easter eggs and bunnies

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        • DRD5508 says:

          The Risen Savior prepped a way for all of mankind to escape the power of darkness(sin) as He went before us to prepare a place for us in His Father’s mansion.

          May His Peace and Grace be with you all. Leaving work now.

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        • SterlingSilver says:

          Don’t get over concerned about this stuff. Just look at the advice we’ve been given the last time around:

          “This crash is not going to have much effect on business.”
          - Arthur Reynolds, Chairman of Continental Illinois Bank of Chicago, October 24, 1929

          “[1930 will be] a splendid employment year.”
          - U.S. Dept. of Labor, New Year’s Forecast, December 1929

          “While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed through the worst — and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There has been no significant bank or industrial failure. That danger, too, is safely behind us.”
          - Herbert Hoover, President of the United States, May 1, 1930

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          • Not so Much says:

            The thing is, a ‘crash’ isn’t so much the problem as what the govt does next. Unfortunately, Our govt doesn’t even know the meaning of capitalism, let alone what a free market solution is.

            The difference is Calvin Coolidge and the depression of 1920-21 that noone has ever heard of and FDR’s GREAT Depression that lasted 10 years and then STILL requried a WW to get out of.

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        • durango kidd says:

          All my eggs are under the tree. The bunny is on the spit!

          Preppers, Patriots and Veterans should heed Jim Rogers advice and move to the mountains where there is food, fuel, and water.

          Leave the MEGA cities. Find a nice town out West. Arizona is a good place. Come.

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          • BadAmerican says:

            @DK:

            I like bunny with fried ‘taters and peas, cobbler for dessert, and a cold pilsner.

            Yum…..

            NOMI

            …takin’ it to the streets…..BA.

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          • RickE. says:

            @ durango kidd; I live in the high country west of Seligman,AZ off of the grid and I LOVE it! Nearest store is 28 miles away. There’s elk, deer, pronghorn antelope, wild burros, wild horses, and lots of other critters. When the SHTF, I have plenty of food literally right out of my back door.
            I left the city several years ago and don’t regret it one bit! It’s nice looking at a night sky that’s truly dark!

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            • durango kidd says:

              Sounds like you have a 40 acre spread in the Peacock Mountains with some good elevation. I was bragging about that location to BigB a few posts back.

              Probably more than 300 days of sunshine a year too; not to mention the GOLD!

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              • allie says:

                Yes and you can drink the Gold when you are dying of dehydration out there…. and paying to have your water tank filled… IF you can get any.
                Good thing you have all those animals available to you out there, cause you sure will need a GF and no woman in her right mind would live out there…

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            • John W. says:

              RickE,
              Do you live in Sierra Verde ranch? Good elk hunting on the state lands. Lots of deer and range cattle which you can’t shoot. I have one of the places there. Just named the street, Greenhorn Rd.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            kidd, please don’t miss lead them. Don’t move to the Mountains, there is no food and very little water, and what fuel! And you would’nt like it here, it’s cold in the winter, and, No Golf Course, No Malls, and No Mickey D’s. So PLEASE stay in the Suburbs where you have all of the conveniences of life. If it gets much rougher, I’m leaving these Mountains and going back to Town. Mountain Trekker Out.

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            • Mountain Trekker says:

              Forgive me Lord. Is it ever alright to lie? Trekker Out.

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            • don't tread says:

              Well MT, in my neck of the woods, the game will disappear quickly if there is ever a mass exodus to the mountains i live in. Hate to say it, but I will be killing and canning like a wildman. I’ve fed and protected the edible animals around my homestead for 30 years. If anyone is gonna eat them it will be me and mine first.

              About the only thing city slickers are gonna find is some water and tree bark, and maybe a few varmit animals. There is a black panther that lives in the rock cliffs about a mile from the retreat, so if they get lost, things could get very scary and very fast. From the size of some of the Bobcats and coyotes I’ve seen, they may need more than a butter knife to protect themselves also.

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              • Fed up with Feds says:

                Mt is awsome,,hunted the bob Marshall wilderness ,,I think it’s 500,000 acres of beutiful and dangerous mountains….but even that would get crowded very fast in a shtf event….
                My advice to you sir,,if you see people comin your way,,shoot the guy in the suit first!

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              • allie says:

                Yeah, but your so tough that none of them bother YOU, don’t tread.

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            • Charlie says:

              Mountain Trekker: Come here to Washington DC There is milk and honey flowing in the streets! Everything is free! You can just pick it up and take it! Barak told me so, it must be true!

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          • Cherokee says:

            Hey, all you doubters and naysers, please stay East of the Mississippi, for Op-security, for those of us already set up in the western mountains!

            Almost prepped, really locked and loaded, and have the garden beds tilled and peas, carrots, and onions in the ground.

            Already replacing the wood used during the last winter, gotta be ready.

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          • CurlyBill says:

            Arizona is NOT the place to be… there is no above ground water here.Phoenix will be a rathole… Tucson will be a shithole… well it already is. All the progressives are moving into the southern part of the state and making a mess of things. There are already too many people here for the amount of water available. Tucson has its water drawn off the Colorado River, 600 miles to the northwest in an OPEN canal… then once it passes Phoenix it has to be pumped uphill. If there was a power loss, no water. You cant grow anything here… and even if you could it takes a huge amount of water. Not much grows in 110 degree sunshine without lots of water. Stay away from here… Tucson I mean. Head for places north… Im heading to Montana!

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            • durango kidd says:

              Curly Bill: There IS water in Arizona if you know where it is at, and there IS lots of ground water in certain locations. Some foothills are sponges. I won’t mention where here, but enough for preppers, patriots, and veterans. Zombies from California will fill the FEMA Camps in the desert built just for them.

              Phoenix will be underwater. Tucson will be a port.

              There WILL be lots of water in Tucson, but it will have to be desalinized; or extracted from the moisture in the air during summer monsoons with the latest technology.

              The future of growing, everywhere, is urban aquaculture. The water is recycled. Everyone should be doing it at home now. It is the future of safe, secure, organic, non-Monsanto food production.

              Good luck in Montana! Take your long johns with you or buy some along the way. You will need them. :-)

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              • Feisty Old Broad says:

                I love Arizona and lived in Phoenix for several years back in the late 80′s…..but, I must say that I think many from urban areas will head south…for the warmth and the perceived ideas that there will be food there due to the warm temps….I personally believe that the safest places (if there WILL be any safe place) would be N.Dakota, Montana, some parts of Idaho and Colorado and Wyoming….the hoards will not go where there is great hardships to survive….they will go where they THINK it will be easy. Just my opinion and probably not the opinion of the multitudes :)
                May we all stop for a moment and reflect on Easter and what Jesus suffered for us….
                May God continue to Bless US…..
                fob

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                • durango kidd says:

                  North Dakota, parts of Montana, and Minnesota will be under Lake Dakota; which will be a vast inland sea according to Cayce.

                  As the Arctic melts the low lying inner plains of Canada and the northern plains of the US will be submerged. Find some high ground in the foothills of the East or West Cordillias.

                  If you live in California, get above 5,000 feet. Anyone attempting to migrate during the Aftermath, after the fact, will perish along the way. Can you say, “road kill”?

                  Be there to get there. Be there to get there.

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                • Man on the Inside says:

                  Don’t forget about Washington state. Lots of rain (drought … what drought), conservative people (except Seatle and when SHTF the rest of us will just eat them), several big rivers full of fish, hudge elk, good growing season (mmmmm apples and blackberries), hydro power, wood… lots of wood, masive wheat feilds, winerieys, no income tax, great beaches (aww those razer clams), Pretty free gun ownership ( well Seatle can be a chalange but remember we will just eat them). Keep preping and stay safe. Later I will post my recipie for Baked Liberal with Blackberry sauce…. mmmmmm tasty….

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              • I live in Tucson and have been scouting various areas while growing up here. I agree Tucson is turning into a cesspool of villainy but there are many outlying areas with close water tables and good fertile soil and not to mention great solar insolation. Look to north of Catalina, around Patagonia Sonoita, the Dragoons etc. There are hundreds of ranches and off-grid folk that have been surviving since the 1800′s. I worked in the Solar field and have installed many a solar array, wind turbines and solar water collectors on these lands plus, if you harvest rainwater and utilize solar properly you can live well and see them coming for miles. One last thing, the Tohono O odam people have survived off the very same land for hundreds of years. It would behoove Southeastern AZ preppers to learn from them. Just my 2 cents.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  JC: You are correct and I have been looking at some good land available there with water as you suggest. When energy supplies are cut the zombies will not have wheels. Neither will WE.

                  Be there to get there.

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            • armed citizen says:

              I live in Northern Az. I grow a garden year round. Myself and my neighbors (10 city blocks away) all have pigs, goats chickens etc. I have access to a well. I have fruit trees, grapes, berries etc. solar and wind power and I don’t have to freeze my ass off in winter. 45 minutes until a sheriff would come to ‘protect’ me so i’ll take care of my own. But your right, without years to prepare as I have, it would not be a good SHTF bugout location. I’m not running.

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            • Gregory8 says:

              CurlyBill: You’re right about Arizon, it’s a death trap like most of the west but it’s one of the worst because of its large population. But before relocating you’d better check the drought charts. With the exception of the pacific northwest, the entire west, in fact every thing west of the Mississippi, ranges from moderate to severe to extreme drought conditions for now and the foreseable future. Western Montana is o.k. because there are so few people and snow from the mountains to sort of make up for it. But the rest of ther west is skectchy at best. Good luck.

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          • Journalist says:

            Not much water in Arizona. My choice is the Pacific Northwest where rainwater collection provides enough water for all but a couple months of the year. I think filling a pond would do the rest for watering a garden. Use cold frames for early starts and winter vegetables. And lots of wood for fuel.

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              • John W. says:

                That’s the ticket. Plan your life according to the prophecies of Edgar Cayce. Sure thing.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  John: W: No, I don’t live my life according to Cayce, but I have read many sources regarding the End Times; and WE are in the End Times for however long they last. Those sources include the biblical prophets and Revelations.

                  Any Christian who has ever read the verse “… the Earth shall stumble to and fro like a drunkard…” should recognize that WE are facing pending, massive Earth Changes. These predictions, when coupled with scientific research and current events, should give any fool a reason to pause and reflect.

                  Must a present day prophet live in a cave and eat honey and locusts for the Lord to show him His plan? I think not. The Lord does as He wills.

                  So whether one reads Cayce, Shipton, Scallion, Zeta Talk, Nostradamus, or the prophets, one can learn something if one is willing to keep an open mind. They all provide their particular perspective of future events, and only a fool would not recognize the similarities between them.

                  The Lord has given US a spirit of discernment to evaluate life’s mysteries. Accept what resonates with you and leave the rest for others to evaluate on their own. I suggest you read:

                  SHTF Earth Changes for a new perspective.

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                • don't tread says:

                  If the plates along the San Andreas fault start shifting(on a huge scale), and there is time; there could be 50 million people plus,from California, making a mass exodus towards Phoenix and eastern Nevada/Utah. Not a good area to be camped out in.

                  The ones that get through and have the means, could eventually make it to the western foothills of the Rockies. I for one, would be heading in that direction.

                  The western Appalachians could face the same scenario from a New Madrid event.

                  Anything having to do with a huge Sunami and Atlantic Ocean levels rising could cause a mass exodus towards the eastern foothills and mountains of the Apps.
                  That is a scenario I plan for and dread.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  California only has about 36-38 million people. That’s still a lot of bodies, but if they aren’t here before the BIG ONE hits, they won’t need a place setting at the table.

                  Be here to get here.

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                • Man on the Inside says:

                  I just go with the bible… oh and my house is made of concrete and tridi panel…. a Cascadia at 9.4 is a 7 at my place in the mountains…. nothin but basalt under me and Mt Saint Hellans is east of me… I get to watch it all with my budies while we grill.. ( the deck is concrete to..)

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                • sixpack says:

                  I live about 50 miles from the summit of Mt. Hood as the crow flies. I’m at the edge of the nat’l forest, about 3 miles. I’ve already scouted out some old paths and logging roads close by, I could get there on a bike. I could walk that far if necessary. I know where I’ll be going if it gets bad here.

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                • Gregory8 says:

                  DK: Yes, magic and all magic is B.S. Nothing more than slight of hand to fool the weak minded and children. So you see what you want to see. When I was a young evangelical I was told that the Bible was the one true source of knowledge but
                  your’e quoting lots of other sources as well which is regarded as the devil’s work. So are you a christian who believes in end-time biblical prophecy or just a general fear monger who tries to piece it all together from any source possible? You can’t have it both ways pal!

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Gregory8: I am a Christian that believes End Time prophecy according to Scripture, but I suspect that you “…see through a glass darkly …” and are unable to grasp that you do not have a monopoly on the Truth of Jesus Christ; or the events that are sure to come, as you have been indoctrinated.

                  Many, many good people, some Christian, some not; have experienced visions of future events as they are filtered through their particular perspective. The Lord decides for His own purposes to whom He will reveal His Truths.

                  I believe in Jesus Christ because I have been out of the body and in the Spirit and face to face with Him. I know that He yearns for US a a lover yearns for His beloved. I believe in Jesus Christ because He heals me when I am sick, inspires me when I am discouraged, and guides me when I am uncertain. I have a personal relationship with my Creator. In the day, when I call, He answers me speedily. My God is an awesome God.

                  While I know that the devil exists, because I have been face to face with him too, I do not dwell upon him, or define everything in life by him; as you apparently do.

                  Congratulation on your ministry, but there are many men of the cloth, even scholars, who do not know Jesus because they have never met Him. I suggest you spend less time converting people and more time in prayer getting to know the Lord face to face; so that your testimony can be a true witness of the spirit rather than repeating the same, tired phrases, originating within a specific belief system.

                  I also mentioned the scientific evidence that points to the coming Changes; and if you were to do your homework, you would know the truth of what I speak. The many that are lost may not listen to a religious interpretation of coming events, but they may be open to a secular presentation that might lead them to a better understanding of scripture and then conversion.

                  Don’t be a pointy headed bureaucrat. Christ is risen!

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                • MOMO says:

                  Man on the inside. There is no way on earth you have a high level job. One thing I can say about the government people is they can write. Aside from your spelling ( hudge is huge, chalenge is challenge, wineerieys is wineries, seatle is Seattle. The post you made below is equally as terrible. It is not hellans is Helens. To should be too as in also. To the store and can I come too is a good way to remember it. People will take you seriously when they don’t have to read your post with a phonetic translation.

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              • Feisty Old Broad says:

                @durango….which cayce book(s) are you referring to?
                fob

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Read them all, long ago and far, far away. Read SHTF Earth Changes if you have not been to that site.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  JQP; I do too and He cannot come soon enough for me. Until he does, God’s work on Earth must truly be OUR own.

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                • Gregory8 says:

                  DK: If you read any other books on end-times/prophecy besides the Bible then you’re either not a christian or a serious backslider. Ask any evangelical preacher and they’ll tell you those others (Cayce, Nostradamus, etc.) are all false prophets sent by Satan to mislead the chosen. Beware!

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              • Gregory8 says:

                DK: No one but the weak minded and children believe in magic. Cayce was a fake just like the rest.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Magic? What is “magic” but the Manifested Action of God In Creation? :-)

                  Where the mind and the heart and the life are one in Christ Jesus, miracles occur.

                  Feel free to quote me. :-)

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                • Grasshopper says:

                  Gregory, if you’ve never experienced Magic, then I feel very sorry for you. Just because you’ve never experienced something, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist; it simply means you’ve never experienced it. Have you ever experienced being gang raped? Have you experienced giving birth? Have you ever experienced eating a mango, fresh from off the tree? Have you ever experienced a trip to the moon? Just because you’ve never experienced something, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Stop being so closed minded and materialistic; you’re limiting yourself.

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                • sharonsj says:

                  So how come all those other books and “false prophets” happen to say the same things the Bible says? I bet you don’t know that even economists who base their recommendations on historical cycles say the same things. I’m a psychic and I say the same things. On Saturday (before I read about Jim Rogers) I told a friend that real estate was the place to be. If you limit your world to only a specific type of Christian, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.

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                • Not so Much says:

                  ” I’m a psychic ”

                  There it is. That’s why you’re a nutbag. I’m, sorry, if you were really psychic, you sure as hell wouldn’t be the hard left moonbat you are.

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          • HeadshotsOnly says:

            Planning a trip to the Payson area next month.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Don’t miss the lakes off the beaten path along the Rim to the East. The first one is 20 miles out just past the fish hatchery on 260.

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            • Gregory8 says:

              Grasshopper: Magic is for fools and children. Since you don’t seem to be a child then you must be the other. Say, I’ve got some magic beans for sale-interested?

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          • AnonLegion says:

            I prefer the Appalachian Trail. Large Area. Easy to Vanish.
            Plenty of wild foods, water, and shelter.

            Easier to move unseen and to keep your AO floating.
            from Springer Mountain in Georgia to Mount Katahdin in Maine.

            Have only hiked about half of the trail. Started in NY went south but not the whole way. Spent a bit more then three months hiking, much fun.
            and to mt trekker, LOL your right the mountains suck no one should head there ;)

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            • chickenlittle says:

              I think everyone should go to Washington, Arizona, and Montana… Stay away from the Appa and Smokeys, there is CRAZY people living there. That’s what they call us…

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              • Walt Kowalski says:

                The Dueling Banjos are running through my head right now.

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                • jerrytbg says:

                  Looks left …looks right…then slowly behind…
                  listening…always listening …

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                • Anonymous says:

                  Paddle faster …. I hear banjo music.

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                • MOMO says:

                  Yep Walter Mitty. The banjos and the scene where they make the man squeal like a piggy. Then Burt shot him with the arrow. Flood the valley. Oink oink.

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                • hillbilly SC says:

                  Sorry Anon…

                  My shirt say’s “Reload faster… I hear banjos”. :)
                  I’m to old to paddle, guess I’ll just have to shot cousin Billy Joe Jim Bob.

                  He got him some purrty lips dar Virgil.

                  Being in the foothills of the appalachian mountains brings a quiet to our souls, would not want to be anywhere else.

                  Y’all play nice… :)

                  hillbilly SC

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            • allie says:

              300 MILLION people in the USA and YOU think you have it all figured out and will be the only one skipping along the Appalachian trail?
              Be sure and pick some wild blueberries… they are excellent!

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          • In a desert? Seriously? Water should be top priority.

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            • AZ Ready says:

              AZ has plenty of water if you know where to look. The well that supports our community is 600ft. Many underground streams and aquifers (did I spell that right). If you know where to look and have 4 wheel drive, no problem.

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              • John W. says:

                Depends on what part of the state. up around the Grand Canyon the wells are five thousand feet deep to hit water. Over by Seligman it can be found at less than 250 feet.

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        • don't tread says:

          As a child, I was all about the baskets of colored eggs, new clothes for church, and the candy. Oh yea the candy. Hyped up (more than usual) from the candy, the egg hunts after church were fun. Egg hunts at the grandparents house with the cousins were fun. The whole event was fun. This thing called easter.

          Later in life, the real reason for the celebration was beginning to set in. The crosses draped with purple and scarlet. The Communion service at church. The story of the Crucifixion. The rising from the tomb and the last days of Jesus Christ on earth.

          Then the period where most people are today. No church, no story about Jesus and the Crucifixion, no Communion. Just easter as another commercialized celebration and colored stuff for kids. In fact, most people see it as a time/excuse for having a party or big dinner for the family and that’s all. Some, are like I was for twenty years or so; Just another day on the calendar, with possibly a day off from work, and better yet if it was a paid holiday.

          Now, as an older adult it has become Passover to me. Passover, as a celebration of Jesus and his life, death and Resurrection. Passover, as biblical truth and reality of the humbleness, compassion, and love that came from that ultimate Sacrifice, for each and every one of us. More so than anything else, it was an act of love from our Heavenly Father by giving us the best He had to offer to us, His most precious gift, His only Son. With that gift came the opportunity to have an eternal life of love, peace and a monthly renewing of spirit and love from our Saviour in that eternal kingdom; whom once gave all He had in this worldly life, for our redemption of sin.

          The way i view and celebrate this Passover Celebration, the Highest of annual Sabbaths, is best summed up by the words of a song:

          Three Ole Rusty Nails

          He came from Galilee
          A Carpenter by trade
          Came to build His Father’s Church
          On plans they had made

          His destiny was Calvary
          His mission would not fail
          He would build this Church on a rugged cross
          With three ole rusty nails

          This Church is still standing
          And it will never fall
          Bloodstain is it’s foundation
          And Faith holds up it’s walls

          Though the world may come against it
          But they will not prevail
          He built this Church on a rugged cross
          And three ole rusty nails

          Bricks and stones on themselves alone
          aren’t everything it takes
          to build a church that will stand so strong
          when this old world begins to shake

          Who may build this building tall
          But it will be so frail
          Compared to this Church that Jesus built
          With three ole rusty nails

          I know that this Church is still standing
          And it will never fall
          Bloodstain is it’s foundation
          And Faith holds up it’s walls
          Though the world may come against it
          But they will not prevail
          He built this Church on a rugged Cross
          And three ole rusty nails

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      • BigB says:

        I for one am not going to get caught short this weekend. The North Korea deal is getting out of hand very quickly. I don’t believe that little rat bastard can keep his troops on razor edge for very long. Nor do I believe at this point he has the food to sustain them at this point of readiness.

        If he is going to act it will be this weekend. I would say between 9:00 AM and 3:00 PM PST tomorrow which would be early Easter morning in Korea. Just makes sense, moon will be a 1/4 moon and to hit us while we are asleep on Easter morning is his best bet at surprising us.

        This is all speculation on my part but some thing to watch for. I would not be surprised either if Iran hit Israel at the same time. To top it off I would also be looking for a very major cyber attack to knock out our power grid and banking at the same time.

        Again, I am just speculating but am preparing for the worst. Fill up the gas tanks, propane tanks, have cash on hand to purchase chicks (baby chickens smart asses) and 5 or more rabbits from the lady down the street who is selling Easter bunnies at $10.00 each. Already have the feed and cages for both. By the way you can get a great deal on dried corn and rolled oats at the feed store not to mention the antibiotics that are also available.

        Welcome to my mind.

        BigB

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        • Gregory8 says:

          BigB: The “Dear Leader” hasn’t got the food or fuel for a war. He knows it and so do we. He loves western culture but can’t just surrender with many of the die-hards still there. To save face he’ll start a war, get the living crap kicked out of him and his country and then get aid from the victors, although we are streched thin now. He’ll negotiate a deal for himself as head of the transitional government for the re-unification of Korea. As for Iran, there’s a joke. They couldn’t gain one inch of ground against Iraq in eight years of war even though Iran is three times the size of Iraq. Read petroleum reports and you’ll find that up until a few years ago, Iran has been consuming more of their oil (40%) and therefore exporting less for profit, so they were on a mission to develope nuclear power to ease internal consumption because this growing consuption was hurting their economy. Iran is another paper tiger, always has been and always will be. Besides, Isreal has nearly 300 nuclear warheads and could literally wipe them off the map. The one problem Iran could cause all of us is sinking a few ships in the straights and cutting much off the world’s oil supply.

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          • J. Roy says:

            Hard to say what happens with Korea, but I can’t agree about Iran.

            I did 6 years in the Marines as a Farsi translator, and it was Iraq that invaded Iran on the heels of the Islamic Revolution when Khomeini had purged most of his officer corps and the US had cut off supplying parts for advanced weapons systems. Iran threw Iraq out of Iran and attacked across the Rud e Cameroon in some of the nastiest fighting since the First World War. Iraq was supported by the GCC states and the west, to keep the Islamic Revolution away from the Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields.

            The first gulf war had more to do with getting some payback from Kuwait than anything else.

            Two of my instructors at DLI were former Iranian military, one had Khomeini in his tank’s crosshairs but never got the order to fire from the Shah and went into exile rather than an early grave.

            Iranians tend to think in shades of gray, rather than the black and white thinking of Americans. There is a huge demographic of young, overeducated, underemployed people that might respond with favor to better relations with the west. The desperate failing hardliners won’t allow that and it will eventually get messy. Our growing involvement in Syria helps them deflect some internal resentment our way. Tough to say what happens there.

            Israel is another issue. Remember Osirak? Israel will not tolerate nuclear neighbors. Iran is close enough for Israel to hit them hard to pre-empt any nuclear adventure. That is a very dangerous scenario.

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            • don't tread says:

              Best explanation I’ve heard in a while, concerning Iran.

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              • jerrytbg says:

                I concur …a true understanding of the neighborhood…

                Well stated J Roy…

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                @ J Roy and dt,

                dt, I concur…whole-heartedly,

                “Best explanation I’ve heard in a while, concerning Iran.”

                J Roy…Thank You! It is just such as this type of ‘Boots on the Ground’ analysis that makes this p[lace such a valuable asset to us all. Many here have grasp of that which is beyond most people’s day-to-day life…the sharing of which makes s ALL more cognizanrt of ‘The World as it is’, not what the MSM would try to have us to beleive…

                …Thanks Again! :)

                JOG

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            • durango kidd says:

              BigB; Dear Leader has NK on pins and needles because he has a treaty with Iran to attack the US when Iran is attacked and vice versa. Its that Axis of Evil thing.

              Soul will be destroyed by his artillery. One US cruise missile sub with 500 high explosive weapons can suppress the threat from the North rather quickly once the first shot is fired. After that it will be a “war game” scenario much like Iraq.

              Iran is a different story.

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          • Vicky says:

            I think North Korea is more likely to hit South Korea and, possibly, Guam. Kim Jong Idiot the Younger is throwing a huge temper tantrum, but his people are starving and China seems to have gotten tired of being his nanny. He has to do something to save face, but has a limited number of options. Whatever he does will be crude and bloody, but the most pressing question for us is, what will O’Bimbo think he can get away with during this very convenient crisis?

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        • Feisty Old Broad says:

          I wonder if anyone truely knows exactly what this lil nutbar actually has in the way of weapons? He is dangerous, no doubt, and I would wager that he will do SOMETHING as he has, this time, put himself way out there on the limb…..
          fob

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          • durango kidd says:

            He has ten thousand long range artillary pieces trained on Seoul. If he fired the first shot and started to shell the city, he could reduce it to ruble before a serious response and counter attack could be launched.

            A surprise first strike of missiles could cause severe damage to US bases in SK with the loss of many US lives, but the response would relieve Dear Leader of any further management responsibilities.

            Intelligence briefings that I read suggest that he will limit an attack to SK islands rather than the SK mainland; generating a tit for tat response from SK.

            He may be crazy, but he is not insane.

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            • J. Roy says:

              I remember an interview with Madeline Albright regarding NK’s efforts to weaponize nuclear material. She said something to the effect that there are 10,000 North Korean artillery pieces pre-sighted on Seoul and any attempt at a military strike would invite brutal NK retaliation against the south.

              NK is tolerated for the sake of South Korean relations, and because China acts as sort of an embarrassed older brother when NK gets out of hand.

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          • John W. says:

            The problem is that Seoul is so close to the border that artillery can reach it quite easily. Rumor has it that NK plans on unloading around half a million rounds on Seoul and sending troops across. Hot good.

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          • That’s been my thoughts for the entire week, right up until today’s declaration of war.

            How can he threaten this, and not follow through, without looking like a huge wimp, because, apparently with this generational dictator, image is everything.

            Makes me think he may really try something stupid.

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            • BigB says:

              He sure has painted himself into a corner where he is going to have to either do it or be the laughing stock of Asia and the Middle East. Because unlike here in America where our politicians have no ethics, convictions or morals over there they pay attention to that kind of thing.

              BigB

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              • don't tread says:

                Yea, I agree with that assessment. The only way he, KJU gets out of this idiotic move on his part, and save any semblance as a leader; he gets the UN to offer some type of reward or treaty as a deterrent to his threats.

                If he gets some sanctions dropped or an aid package with food and medicine at the forefront, he will be seen as the victor by his people. Otherwise it could spell the beginning of the end for this porky pig character.

                I don’t see any way for the world to see these actions by NK as anything but; an attempt by one of the “Axis of Evil” trying to hold the world hostage, and looking for a ransom.

                The part/scenario I fear most, is if the little porker Him Dung Un, does unleash missles, and SKorea unleashes it’s full fury; the huge amounts of radioactive poison that will once again find it’s way to our shores. There is simply no alternative but to take out his/their nuclear capability once and for all, in the event of all out war. All that radioactivity has to go somewhere.

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            • jerrytbg says:

              Don’t forget …even with hugo Chavez out of the picture…
              The threat of a tanker with an EMP Shahab-2 or 3 approaching the Texas coast is not out of realm of possibilities…
              Iran has tested, in the Caspian Sea, just such a delivery system…

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        • Eeder says:

          I may get some chickens. But no need to get rabbits. I have them all over, not to mention the turkey that came through my yard yesterday and the doe that was here a couple of days ago.

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        • Grasshopper says:

          THINGS USUALLY COME OUT IN THE OPEN/ EXPLODE DURING FULL MOON. NEW MOON IS TIME FOR NEW BEGINNINGS. PEOPLE IN OLDEN TIMES ALWAYS WENT BY THE MOONS TO PLANT, REAP CROPS. EVEN COPS SAY MORE CRIME AND VIOLENCE DURING FULL MOON. OUR BODIES ARE ABOUT 90 % WATER AND THE FULL MOON EFFECTS OCEANS, TIDES AND EBBS. ALSO, EFFECTS US AND EVENTS. FINISH UP STUFF AT END OF MOON PHASE; BEGIN IMPORTANT STUFF AT NEW MOON, AND WATCH OUT FOR FULL MOON!

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        • Prophet says:

          Well? Still waiting.

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        • 4yearprepper says:

          BigB
          I am raising 4 baby rabbits right now. My dog found the nest under my back porch. After crawling around under there to search, for it in my pamagas, short sleeves in 29 degree weather to rescue them and spending $30 dollars for powdered milk, bottle and food for when they are big enough to eat——! WELL
          These little guys will NOT be anyones dinner if I have a say so.

          I have named them EEnie,Meenie, Miney, Moe. I don’t touch them except for feeding time, because I want them to stay wild so as not to wind up on your dinner plate.
          They are precious and I cannot see how anyone can eat
          something so cute. Eat a chicken.

          4 year prepper

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          • BigB says:

            @4yearprepper,

            That cracks me up. I know exactly what you mean. When I first started raising sheep I bought two black faced twin brothers, named them Beavis and Butthead. When it came time to butcher them we had to have a family meeting. My youngest son who was about 13 at the time thought we should keep them around because they were part of the charm of the farm. They died about 10 years later from old age. They were pets. Learned a valuable lesson from then on, don’t named what you are going to eat. Worked well until the pig we raised thought his name was Pig. Butchered him anyway. A 300 pound plus pig is not a pet. I cried till I had a piece of bacon. Then I thanked God for his bounty.

            BigB

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            • 4yearprepper says:

              Amen BigB
              I was raised on a farm and had a pet of each animal we raised. My aunt and uncle game me a hen and rooster (Road Island Reds I think) and I named them after them—–Francis and Elmer.
              My Dad killed one of my pets by mistake. Mama fried it up and no one at the table would eat any of it. I was small and crying alligator tears..
              Those two would roost on my shoulder. I had made them a house out of a cardboard box with doors, windows. What a hoot.
              He also butchered my pet cow “Queenie”
              Thanks BigB. I will take your advice and not name anything eatable again. Gets too personal.
              God Bless. Have a great day.

              4 year prepper

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              • don't tread says:

                I completely understand where you are coming from 4yearprep.

                When i was about 7, my Dad decided to raise a pig. We went to the neighbors and bought a piglet. We named her Susie and built a lot with everything she needed. Dad kept a path mowed to the lot and my little brother would ride his tricycle there and hang out. He disappeared one day and we went crazy looking for him. We found him, on his tricycle, asleep with his arms hanging inside her lot. She was now a hog.

                That winter they had her slaughtered. I will never forget the first meal of tenderloin. I didn’t think twice about it, but Dad and Mom would chew until the pieces got bigger and bigger in their mouths.

                Needless to say, the whole thing stayed in the freezor until it had to be thrown away.

                Lesson learned; don’t make pets out of animals you intend to eat.

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      • possee says:

        Rogers last line on the cnbc interview..priceless..

        ‘if you listen to the government..you will go bankrupt very quickly..”

        Pretty much sums up what we’ve all been saying all along.

        How apropos..

        possee

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        • possee says:

          It has now be verified that both Canada and the US DO have provisions written into their respective “banking acts” that allow confiscations of our monies as well to prop up the failing banks..how frigging quaint!
          The DODD FRANK Act clearly states such between the lines.

          We are “supposedly assured” that the FDIC will cover any losses under 250 k..however they hold only 9 billion cash and 50 billion in credit lines to cover potential losses in the 100′s of billions combined savings and checking..

          Way too many trusted experts in the financial world are saying this is a trial balloon..son to expedited here as well once the derivatives exposure of 90 trillion dollars starts to unravel..all it will take is one major major player to unwind ..and all hell will break loose.

          Perhaps that is why dhs has procured close to 2 billion rounds of hollow point…

          possee

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      • allie says:

        Jim Rogers evidently hasn’t priced a combine or other farm equipment. The Framers need the bankers and always will.

        Its also funny that everyone screaming RUN FOR THE HILLS, hasn’t…….. they are jus hangin around sellin shit.

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        • MOMO says:

          Allie. I am selling all my shit and I am putting all my money into tin foil futures. I am going to make a killing off walter and sterling. I suggest you do the same. Want to get married and have smart reasonable babies?

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      • Iowa says:

        Look, Samson is a Black Man according to the History Channel!

        My wife is Black. I am White. Our Children are the same ethnicity as POS Obama.

        I teach my children the truth…

        WHITE PEOPLE ARE ISRAEL’S 12 TRIBES…

        PS: Prove the Bible wrong…

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      • Anonymous says:

        Bourne theory (Fed Treasury). That’s all I got to say.

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      • allie says:

        Yeah…Jim Rogers says ‘Run for the Hills”,,,,,, but be sure and buy LOTS of gold from me first.
        The guy is like a psycho…. look at his face when he talks.
        I bet he enjoys bouncing little children on his knee.

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    2. Survivor. says:

      Better restock the wood shed. Because its comin!

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    3. Rodster says:

      I love it when the naysayers say, you worry to much, leave the fear porn alone and get on with your life.

      And here you have financial experts who are boldly proclaiming the shit is going to hit the fan at anytime now. Look what’s happened in Cyprus. Yet the media and their puppets keep saying stop worrying over nothing…sheesh.

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      • Mr. Blutarsky says:

        There are 2 types of naysayers.
        1. The ignorant
        2. Those with an agenda.

        Yes, what is happening in Cyprus will come to our shores. Cyprus was the guinea pig.

        When the backlash isn’t too bad, they’ll move to Greece, Spain, Italy…then the UK will step up to the plate.

        Then it will be our turn. First they’ll go after our 401K’s. They’ll start with the “wealthy” and work their way down. Then they’ll hit our bank accounts. Then they’ll come for our land – for the public welfare of course……you wouldn’t want kids to starve because all of your land isn’t being properly utilized would you?

        Our day for this is coming but I think it’ll play out in Europe first. Gives us time to get our own financial houses in order.

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        • Gold Leader says:

          Precisely, Mr B. Europe will happen first, I concur. Whether it hits us all in slow steps or in quick and major “Pearl Harbor” type catalyst events, it’s approaching. Hell, it boggles my mind how people CAN’T see the pattern right now! It’s already underway. History is repeating right before our eyes….but who cares, right??!!! There’s more booze at the bar!

          Gold Leader standing by.

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        • Barn Cat says:

          The government will require retirement account managers to buy treasuries. Your whole 401k will be filled with worthless government debt. The media will probably sell the idea as a way to protect 401k’s from the stock market by putting them into something “safe”. Like government debt that will never be repaid.

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          • Gregory8 says:

            Barn Cat and Mr. Blutarsky: An economist named Teresa Ghilarduci suggested that 401ks be managed by the government back in 2007 or 2008, just before I retired and got me to thinking about what I could do to void that. Now the Investor’s Business Daily, a great paper, has reported that democratic members of congress see our ‘wealth’ as unfair and some would like to put a stop to business sponsored plans in favor of a government run plan. All existing plans would be assimilated into this, including Roths. The reason they’ll use is the unfairness of those that don’t have a plan and the volitility of the markest along with ‘saving’ us from all those unnecessary costs of having our accounts managed. Yeah, right! They’re going to use the money to bailout their public sector union supporters whose plans are all unfunded. It’ll be the old switheroo. Just as Obama screwed the bond holders at GM, he used that money to support the union’s pensions and benefits, he’s going to do it again on a national scale. I just started to take money out of my plan and it looks like I may have to accelerate my withdrawls before it’s gone into ‘government securities’. As a side note: that may also be one of the reasons they want gun control so that when they take our money there won’t be as many armed citizens looking for targets of this outrage. But then again, maybe I’m just a bit paranoid. Just a thought.

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            • Rick:) says:

              List of Programs Fedgov has co-oped, for our mutual benefit;
              * mortgages, Fannie may, Freddie Mac
              * student loans, now gov managed
              * healthcare , ,obamycare, Medicare,medicaid.
              * autos, cash for clunkers, electric and ethanol subsidies
              Short list, off the top. They WILL go after, co-opt private retirement.

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        • Heretic Historian says:

          For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12

          Not even the Christians know what this means.

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        • don't tread says:

          I agree Mr.B.

          The runs on EU banks, and rising Unemployment in those countries is a forerunner to what is coming to our shores.

          I will guarantee one thing, there are at least ten men and women for every one that is speaking out now; that will come out with a vengeance if the gov starts coming after their money, guns, and land. I know quite a few “good ole boys and girls” that walk and talk softly (or not at all) and carry a mighty big stick.

          We will not lay down and play stupid like the folks in GB and Austrailia did. We will not let a few, determine the outcome for the many. Yea, there will be segments, especially in and around the cities where it will be hell, and many will give up or give in; but the masses of rural folks will ban together until the great one comes on the scene to make everything all better. Then the dividing begins, as to who has studied and learned the Word, and those who have not. The dividing will be of those that believe in the fake, and those that know better. Then there comes into play that little thing called the mark of the beast. So subtle and charming like a snake with a little bird, and then WHAP! he’s got them by the throat.

          Too late to turn back now! I believe, I believe their falling for a lie.

          Not this daddy rabbit. I know who comes first. I’ll either be dead or hiding in the hills with the animals. Waiting on the arrival of He who was arisen from the tomb.

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          • You said it Brother!

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          • Eagle eye says:

            Don’t underestimate Aussies, Tread. More guns have been legally sold here since the buyback than were removed from the system, and that does not include the ones that got lost on that canoeing trip. They never took our guns off us, just made us register the ones we had. The ability to remove all of those guns in a single action does not exist, and the second they start i expect there will be the biggest spate of burglaries ever seen.
            There is a recalcitrant streak and lack of tolerance for bullshit here that runs very deep, and we lack the brown shirt agencies like TSA and DHS.

            Our next election could be interesting. I here a lot of people will be marking in a new option, NONE OF THE ABOVE, and ticking it.

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            • don't tread says:

              Good to hear it Eagle eye. Stay strong, and watch out for those danged dingos. I finally saw the movie, just this weekend, about all the mess created towards the family that had the baby carried off by a dingo in 1980. A Cry In The Dark.

              We have jokingly used the phrase (in our best Aussie accent) many times over the years if me or the wife have misplaced something; “maybe the dingo ate it”.

              We now have a new addition to the family, a Rat Terrier, we fondly named Dingo.

              Keep ‘em straight, downunder mate.

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          • Grasshopper says:

            i OFTEN WONDERED WHY THE PEOPLE IN GREECE, AND OTHER COUNTRIES WHO HAVE BEEN SO SWINDLED, THEIR LIVES DESTROYED– WHY DIDN’T THEY RISE UP, SAY, LIKE THE THE FRENCH REVOLUTIONISTS DID AND “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS”? BASICALLY, WHAT I’M TRYING TO SAY, IS WHY DIDN’T THEY ASSASSINATE/HANG THE LEADERS WHO BETRAYED THEM? THEY KNOW THAT OLD POPEDOO- WHATEVER THE GREEK LEADER’S NAME IS– THEY KNOW HE BETRAYED THEM, TOOK MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM BANKSTERS TO BETRAY GREECE. WHY DIDN’T THEY COME FOR HIM AND HANG HIM??? IS IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAD NO GUNS, WAS DISARMED LONG TIME AGO? JUST WONDERING.

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    4. AZ Ready says:

      I’m already there!

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      • OutWest says:

        Mac– “the blast radius”
        That is really good, thumbs up on that one!

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      • Iowa says:

        There aren’t any hills or mountains in the Great Plains. at least there isn’t a major urban city with over 500,000 for at least 5 hrs drive. I Love Iowa.

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        • Cherokee kid says:

          Aren’t you kinda close to the Minuteman fields in Nebraska and downwind too boot.

          Don’t forget that B-1 base out there too.

          How about those B-2 bases in Missouri, hope you are upwind from there too.

          Hope you have your bug-out shelter prepped, those preps won’t do you much good at home.

          Lock and load them the devil is at the door..

          keep your powder dry,

          Cherokee kid

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      • incognito says:

        AZ Ready are you a police officer? If so what sort of sense do you get from the local law enforcement around here?

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        • AZ Ready says:

          OMG, me a cop? Are you shittin’ me (no offense to LEO’s on this site)? No I am not a LEO.

          As for the LEO’s where I live, I would trust a couple as I have known them for several years. The rest however I would trust as far as I could throw them, and that isn’t very far.

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    5. Y'all Beware! says:

      Happy Easter everyone.

      Y’all Beware! Save those eggs!

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    6. Semper Fi y'all says:

      And when you run make sure you have an M1 Garand and 4 bandoleers full of 8 round en-bloc clips. Have supplies cached in the hills. A pistol belt with 2 canteens with cups for cooking, with the belt supported with an H harness.

      If you can run you can handle a Garand. If you can’t run find a friend who can.

      Semper Fi

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      • slingshot says:

        @Semper Fi.

        “Gonna Run Thru The Jungle”, by CCR.
        Picked up a used Woods Master 742 and found some 8rd metal mags. Adjusted the mags taking out the slop in mag well. Ran a combat shoot and all worked fine. No bayonet lug;0(
        Could not afford a Garand but this Woods Master is close enough. Lite web gear is the way to go.

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      • Paranoid says:

        HI Fi: I’ve heard the term En-block in regard to M1 ammo/clips for years but nowhere else. Do you know where it came from?

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    7. JustOneGuy says:

      Yes sirree,

      Just keeps getting better by the week…don’t it?

      Oops, and don’t forget THIS is a recovery!

      IF you beleive that, then I’ve got some beach-front property in sunny Arizona I’d like you to consider… ;)

      JOG

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      • Canada Canuk says:

        Hey JOG….Happy Easter to you and yours! Had to take a break for a few days, as I felt like I was becoming traumatized with all the info, and what is going on all over the world!

        Dicided to take a chance and cross the border into the USA, as heard the stores are open on Good Friday(everything is closed in Canada today as it is a holiday) I am already checked into the Hotel and am heading to Auldi to do a little “stocking up”…..Only had to wait at the border for 1 hr, as lots of people were crossing today…..

        Hubby needed a mini vacation anyway,and is able to drive for an hour or so, think it gives him a feeling of independance too! All is good!!

        Just noticed North Korea doing a little “posturing”, sure hope nothing happens there, as the last time the boarders were closed was during 911…..I was here then, and could NOT get home for a few days……think the lineup at the boarder then was in miles!

        You must be very busy getting ready for the “big move”, but kinda exciting for you!! Wish you all the Best!!take care, CC.

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        • Canada Canuk says:

          That was supposed to be “BORDER”……..not boarder! ):

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          Reposted…again…

          Happy Easter CC!

          Never forget; it’s ALWAYs the keyboard’s FAULT…bad, BAD Keyboard…whip cracks, sound of smarl followed by a whimper

          GLAD to hear that you and hubby got out O’ the cabin for a spell….the ‘fever’ is terrible, ain’t it? ;)

          No thinking person amongst us fails to be affected by the ‘All that we see’ around us these days…Chin up, a New Dawn WILL come Hon! In the meanwhile look into the abyss for the shortest periods you can…it looks BACK into you as well and therein lies the problem…look away whenever you need to, others HERE are watching all the time. ;)

          The NK thing is less of a concern to me than many several other things I can think of, for a couple of reasons. First, the NK’s simply don’t have, or will – before that poor place and it’s people are starved to death – the neccessary technical EXPERTISE to do as many fear. Secondly, – to my knowledge – there are something on the order of 14 Aegis-class cruisers in the Pacific. Each of those can accurately eliminate incoming missles up to 640 miles away…even in the orbital phase. Hence, no real threat.

          What is possible is that since the minds of those there work a little bit differently than do our’s with respect to a loss of ‘Face” it is the case that “Lil Round Boy” appears to be boxing himself into one very tight little corner. This does make the situation for South Korea somewhat perilous. I read something this AM that indicated – via a SK liason – that NK was capable of laying down 500,000 artillery shells on Seoul in two hours time. IF they don’t do something at this point I’m almmost thinking that the ‘Dear Leader’ might have a sudden fatal ‘accident’…sponsored by the Military General Staff of course. It’s just HELL being a tin-horn Dictator these days don’t you know… ;)

          All here is well, though a small setback occured; the unit I was contracting for was taken off the market so now I’m back to finding another suitable Class A Diesel, preferably a ‘tag’ axle unit in the 42′ class…the one I was shooting for was an Alpha…sweet, right price too!

          Hey, just a thought here…Mac indicated to me that the PM system MIGHT be up this weekend….maybe. IF so, I’d love to ‘jabber’ at you….and several others here before I depart. Drop me a line if so (or I’ll drop YOU a line :) ) Oh, and YES, I’m VERY excited!!

          Till later Friend…Adios’ Muchacho’s Andele, ANDELE!!

          JOG

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    8. Theguy says:

      Now you see who’s going to survive.

      Rich people. Like these two guys.

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    9. Commie hater says:

      Don’t run to Colorado, Colorado is full of Stalinist commies. Don’t buy anything in/from Colorado. Colorado just passed uncostitutional gun control laws. Cancel all contracts with Colorado. Don’t ski, hunt, fish, or travel in Colorado. Boycott the bastards.

      Revoke all gun control laws, with predjudice.

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    10. Paranoid says:

      No way am I going to head for the hills; I’m already part way up the mountain. Why would I go back down?

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      • Orwellian States says:

        Already live in the mountains of East TN. Took an inventory of ammo yesterday — looking OK. Working on food stock and plans for remaining isolated. The wife went to the bank today and took an additional 5K out to put in the gun safe. We’ve been doing that for a while. The teller talked to her and expressed her concerns that we are headed to the same action as Cyprus. We are going to start moving large sums out to invest elsewhere.

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    11. PenCRNA says:

      Pondering pulling out all my 401k and IRA to pay off my land. Own it free and clear. It’s a ten hr drive from where I live, but my goal is to build there and move by spring 2015. I’m prepping away, but so ambivalent about giving up 40-50% of my retirement in taxes to pay off land. I feel that in a few years those accounts won’t be worth anything, but at the same time I still have some hope that maybe I’m wrong. I don’t want to pull the trigger too soon, but at the same time I could wake up tomorrow to find the govt has done something tyrannical with my finances.

      Thoughts?

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      • Not so Much says:

        I’ve seriously been considering getting the rest of my retirement out of the investment house it’s in.

        I say ‘the rest’ because in jan 2008, I got alot of it out and unfortunately, I’m still making payments to the IRS because of it.

        I’ve been thinking about consulting a lawyer this time.

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        • king krazy says:

          You might as well get a lawyer because the system is rigged. I am caught up in a tax quagmire right now. I had no choice but to give it to a tax specialist. he ain’t cheap either.

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        • Horse'sass says:

          Lawyers? Hmmmf.

          I tried suing 4 of them for egregious legal malpractice that even the trial court recognized, but since one of them was the brother of a state senator/State Supreme Court justice, the trial court agreed to change the court’s opinion on the pretrial motion for summary judgment in favor of the defendants who motioned for a “clarification” of the court’s opinion from “having reviewed the record and the depositions and making all reasonable inferences, the court concludes the attorneys were negligent” TO:”assuming for purposes of discussion the attorneys were negligent…” and then the court made the biggest stretch of comparing apples to oranges and compared my case to an old case law, superceded by more recent law and precedent and from a higher authority, the State Supreme Court, and threw my case out, after the lawyers cost me over 1/2 million.

          Only in Kentucky. Huddleston et al.

          So, how would you like to go to a doctor who is held to no standards of care, and for whom you had no recourse, even if you had an acute heart attack and the doctor elected to treat you by the medieval practice of blood letting? (My attorneys legal malpractice was that bad) and then the lawyers’ defense is that your losses are “speculative” and therefore you have no case, even before you can introduce your evidence into trial because the court has argued that is “speculative” that you would have survived if the proper medical treatment had been rendered. The court throws the case out on summary judgment in favor of these 4 attorneys. Apparently, trying to sue lawyers, you can not get a trial by a jury, and I suspect this is what will happen with the government in the future. Truly, a WROL situation.

          That is why I would not recommend going to an attorney. You could just as well be paying for bad, or even disasterous advice.

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        • Horse'sass says:

          You can pay the lawyers/accountants or you can pay the government.

          Either way you lose, because you must pay for the government’s incompetence, lying, and wild spending and their banking cronies’ greed, bad investments and theft.

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      • Incremental withdrawals? Hedge? Does it have to be all or nothing?

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        • Not so Much says:

          I think what you’re going to have to do is ‘invest’ it into something that will ultimately and actually put the money into something you control.

          Something like a REIT. I dont think there’s a way for you to grab the cash and put it in your hand. You may be able to get it into some actual physical property that you can put yourself on tho.

          I think consulting an accountant will only give you the ‘higher income bracket, the govt is gonna take half’ crap. Seeing a lawyer will cost you more up front, but it’ll also prolly save you MUCH more on the back.

          I think that’s my plan.

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      • Barlow says:

        I looked in to that with a tax person and was effectively going to lose about half of what was in the account. Not only that it was going to throw me into a higher tax bracket where they would take even more.

        Either via Taxes or direct confiscation, they pretty much have it all already.

        It’s a hard decision. Good luck.

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      • Gonetoolong says:

        Same concerns about current value of small IRA account.. Don’t want to give that up in taxes and penalty, However, I also foresee a Dow 7000 around the corner. This would give it up for me. We are considering a pull out or patial pull out as well. Already in process of pulling all of savings accounts at this point.

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        • I don’t know the specifics on IRA/retirement programs, but you may have some options. I’ll plug one of our advertisers here and recommend that you give them a call about their IRA gold offerings: http://www.jmbullion.com/ira/ . Hopefully they can provide you with some ideas.

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          • PenCRNA says:

            @Mac I’m hesitant about owning PMs I can’t take possession of. But I’ll look into it anyway. There are so many ways to hndle this. And taking all the money out would definitely screw me in the tax bracket department. I just recently stopped all ontributions to the 401k to get more scrap silver and bullion.

            I really appreciate all the feedback.

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            • Barlow says:

              If you can’t take possession of it it isn’t yours.

              With all the mess going on in Cyprus, I’m surprised this is even being considered. Here’s another recent grab and it involves precious metals.

              http://www.silverdoctors.com/dutch-bank-abn-amro-halts-physical-gold-delivery/

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            • incognito says:

              There’s over 100 times more paper gold than gold that ever came out of the ground. When it’s gone it’s gone.

              Silver might be a better deal. Going by historical price charts it looks like it’s typically 1/16th the price of gold which would mean by today’s standards it is extremely undervalued. Besides that silver is very rare. There is many times more gold than there is silver out of the ground. Just my 2 cents.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Silver as 1/16 the value of gold is a historical paradigm which no longer applies, and was artificially set based upon their respective occurrence in nature.

                A gold to silver ratio of 50 to 1 is more likely based upon MARKET demand, as the rich flee to gold in times of crisis.

                Silver is most useful as an industrial metal (which is why the price is manipulated) because just a little bit makes really cheap plastic valuable as an electronic device.

                Silver is not rare and is mined in Mexico where there are large silver deposits and cheap labor. Silver is a by-product of copper production.

                No one should expect to get rich speculating in silver; but all preppers should own silver, and as much as they can reasonably afford after their other preps are assured.

                Just my two cents.

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                • lastmanstanding says:

                  without silver, todays technology would be non-existent.

                  no computers, no iphones, no high tech military industrial complex, no high tech medical, etc, etc, etc.

                  and look when it all began to excalate…about 1964…

                  when they took silver out of our money.

                  …ahh just another coincidence.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  LMS: What you say is true, but new technologies will be replacing silver in electronics in the not too distant future. What happens to silver’s price elasticity then?

                  Big Mining will want silver coins again but the gangster banksters will want digital. Who do you think will win THAT battle?

                  Invest in gold, speculate with silver, and hoard your lead. They won’t be making any more of it after the Changes.

                  Engage.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  BTW, Rogers is FILTHY rich. If he isn’t going to have excess money in any one account, what do you think he will be doing with his CASH position?

                  US Treasuries. :-)

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                • lastmanstanding says:

                  dk…I hear you. My prayers are that alot of tech just goes away. No digital, no nothing.

                  As far as who wins, I’m for getting rid of the gangster bankers once and for all.

                  AS far as your final statement…I also concur.

                  I am absolutely engaged as patiently as possible at this moment.

                  My ultimate plan is to “don the full armour of God” and engage the sob’s relentlessly until my creator decides I have fullfilled his wishes.

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight.”

                  Happy Easter to you and all here at shtfplan.

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            • LindaG says:

              PenCRNA,

              Consider rolling over into a self-directed IRA, then self-direct the IRA to purchase the land. From what little I understand about this, you technically can’t use the land until you retire, but at least the ‘IRA’ is solid. I would suggest discussing this with a financial advisor.

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          • Red Leader says:

            If you are 59 1/2 you can roll over your 401(k), 403(b), 457, into a Gold/Silver IRA with no penality. My wife did it.

            We started taking possession of the PMs last year and are paying the taxes as we can affod them.

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        • knightowl77 says:

          Just pulled all of my 457k…40% off the top went to tax withholding….On our IRA or 401k it would be 40% plus a 10% penalty….
          Half of what is your is better than nothing…and I can spend it now on preps

          NOMI

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      • Luther says:

        Thoughts you ask? My drive is about half of yours. Hope you have a close network there, if not time could be running out to establish one. So think network!

        Prestage your supplies, yea those are the obvious suggestions I know.

        I know many who closed their 401′s over the last few years. I made sure I delegated enough gold or silver to pay for at least three years worth of property taxes, my acreage is paid off.

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        • PenCRNA says:

          I live in wonderful greater suburban area in New England. I really don’t foresee being able to bug out. Would love to ditch this place ASAP, but son 16 still in school and doesn’t want to leave his friends. I do have a small network of friends, and will continue to work to build connections with folks I think will contribute to the effort as opposed to leeching everyone else’s effort.

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      • Euro witness says:

        In some european countries the taxation on farm land has been raised more than 300% of what it used to be, i dont know if in the US you must pay taxes on the land you farm. But here i do and some farmers are considering the idea of selling their land and just rent it. So very rich people are now buying thhe land of farmers who cant afford to pay all the taxes signing 15 years contracts on it to keep farming at a reasonable price. Yes but 15 years from now will the rent still be reasonable? Basically we are going back 200 hundreds years when a few aristocracts were owning all the land and the people who worked on it.

        So consider also land can be taxed so high you wont be able to own it anymore.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Not to worry. If O’bummer wrangles a third term, or a majority in the House and Senate in 2014, land will be redistributed to the peasants.

          Engage your employees or be enslaved by them.

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          • Euro witness says:

            I have been thinking about it.
            I visited Argentina shortly after the crisis, in 2002, with one euro you could pay a whole dinner. A lot of people looked hungry, i saw very old cars running in the streets with broken parts. You know who had brand new cars and a fat belly under clean clothes? Cops.
            At the end if i should give an advice to someone who wants to know how to survive in hard times i would tell him to join the police, better at state or federal level. They will be the last ones the goverment stops paying if it runs short of money, and anyway the only ones who will be allowed for sure to go around armed.
            But if serving the Beast goes against your moral principles then the essential thing to have is firearms and ammo. And a big family, people with blood ties you can trust 100%.

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          • seataka says:

            Re Land distributed to the peasants… during the “great” land reform of 1938 in Mexico is was the opposition party’s n land that was redistributed.

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            • durango kidd says:

              It would be this time too because the zombies and the grazers do not own any land: they only occupy space and consume resources.

              But don’t worry, they would not be willing to work the land and would sell it back to you on the cheap to get another high.

              Just saying. :-)

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      • Tony says:

        PenCRNA,
        Everyone is different so you’ll have to pray and do the right thing for you. For me, it no longer made sense to keep my “retirement” investments going. I stopped contributing beyond the company match years ago. When the market hit all time highs, I pulled the trigger. My reasoning? I’m 41 – I’m never going to retire so I removed any illusion. More importantly, the market could easily collapse more than the 40% I lost by shifting the money. Finally, I got taxed when I took the money out. But I have NO doubt that if I waited until I “retired” that taxes will be higher than they are today. I can’t time the market – if I could, I wouldn’t be worried about the crappy little amount I have. I can however lock in my “winnings” and try to hold inflation at bay. My cash sits in my bank while for the next few days while I prepare to wire it out for something shiny. Hopefully I don’t lose it in a boating accident. If not, I’ll use that toward a land (and home) purchase in a state other than Florida. Whatever you decide, make up your mind quickly and act. Don’t put it off. Good luck.

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        • J. Roy says:

          Tony;

          I “woke up” in January, liquidated my largest 401k and have been buying weapons and supplies since then. I have been trying to convince my wife to leave Tampa for my home state of Oregon. My family owns property on an island and that is about as good a shot as there is to ride this out in relative safety.

          She won’t leave her folks and I can’t either. If it were up to me I would foreclose my home to get out of it and leave in the next month. Because others must be considered…I must be more patient in my preparations.

          I am looking at silver, water collection, storage and purification. Florida is going to be a bad place to be when the economy collapses.

          I’m 44, a former Marine and have a degree in emergency management so I have a pretty good skillset. I just wish I had woken up 6 months ago, or 2 years ago…

          I can’t do anything about that now, I can just try to do the best I can with however much time remains.

          Only one of my friends takes this seriously. If you are in the bay area and looking to compare notes shoot me an email.

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      • Horse'sass says:

        The same issues here. if you have been lucky enough to have money in the stock market, you’ve had a good ride the past few months and could be very well getting out near the top, offsetting the early withdrawal penalties and the higher marginal income tax bracket.

        One thing for sure, I am not putting another dime into an IRA/401k or any retirement vehicle that has a government wrapper around it at age 58, and especially with the run up we’ve had in the markets, although I got out in 2007 before the crash and have been sitting in money markets ever since. You have to make 2 or more correct calls now (very difficult to do) instead of just one correct one to time the market to dodge the BS the government and Wall St are throwing at you. I missed getting back in the market at the bottom…because I just could not believe the FED would be able to goose the markets the way it has with the fundamentals so obviously degrading.

        The problem is the market is so screwed up you can’t be a saver anymore, just a gambler which means you get whipsawed by what the government might do next. You can’t save in the traditional sense, which formerly meant living beneath your means and saving(investing) the rest.

        Liquidating the IRS/401K does take some balls because you essentially are going through a divorce, with the government getting that dreaded “HALF.”

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      • Zoltanne says:

        PenCRNA, consult w/ an accountant AND attorney who is savvy about this first — Use the retirement funds in a self-directed IRA to purchase either a parcel of land or a small home that can be rented out. You cannot use the property since it belongs to the “fund” and is titled to the IRA Custodian, though. There are other criteria that must be met, but at least the money would not be in a bank, sitting, waiting to be thieved!

        You must have enough remaining money after said purchase to cover any additional expenses that crop up in the future — taxes, repairs, etc. So if you bought a parcel of land, there would be no repair fees unless the land was improved.

        The land would be your retirement investment and would need to be sold at some point — maybe age 70 (and maybe sold to you from your retirement fund). It could also be transferred/bequeathed at time of death.

        Search for more on buying real estate with an IRA and you can decide if it appeals to you.

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        • LindaG says:

          Zoltanne,

          I guess I should have read a little further LOL.

          Great minds, and all that…..

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        • Great post and one that illustrates the idiocy of some posters on this board. There is absolutely ZERO need to take a tax hit of 40-50% as a result of liquidiating an IRA. By creating a self-directed IRA, and purchasing hard assets (and perhaps domiciling the title of those assets OFFSHORE), one can accomplish the same benefit as “liquidating” a 401K or IRA to cash and paying a huge penalty. Yes, there are restrictions–such as you are unable to use the property purchased by a self-directed IRA for one’s own benefit, UNTIL retirement, at which point it must be purchased or sold, but it beats taking the huge hit. educate yourselves, people. Don’t act rashly and stupidly, but deliberately and sensibly.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        You can’t get o your 401K if your still employed with the company that sponsored the 401K. You can however transfer some of the money you put into your 401K into an IRA. You can get to the IRA funds below the age of 59 1/2 if you pay the normal tax rate and pay the 10% penalty.

        Taxes if your married including penalty should be about 33% on the first $75,000 withdrawn with 20% including penalty on the first $17,000.

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      • Heretic Historian says:

        Here’s the issue. Yes, the FRN’s will soon be useless (they are already, most just don’t know it), but you cannot own the land in this country. You can only own the real estate. This is a color-of-title issue. The US is a corporation opporating under bankruptcy. All “property” has liens on it.

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      • Look into the self-directed IRA thing. It may help you avoid the tax hit. Some reader on this site may be able to guide you.

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      • John W. says:

        You can convert to an annuity and avoid the taxes while using the income to pay off the land. Not the best choice with interest rates so low but it will help save on taxes up front. At least move to a state with no income tax to save the state part when cashing out the 401K..

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    12. Satori says:

      come on guys
      get your lies straight !!!!!!!!!

      ECB Backs Dijsselbloem’s Liquidation Policy “Template”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-29/ecb-backs-dijsselbloems-liquidation-policy-template

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      • egore says:

        “…and banks have to wind down their loss-making operations”

        I love that one.

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        • Overheard says:

          I heard people all over the globe are pulling their funds just to teach the bank a lesson for being thieves.

          If you don’t…that send a message of approval they can do whatever they want.

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    13. Watchman says:

      We are traveling in a very desolate land now, and have come to a cross road. Behind us on the road we have been traveling on, there is a fierce storm on that horizon with a large cloud of dust billowing up in front of it.

      Our fuel gauge says empty, so we look down the road to the LEFT and see nothing, then we look RIGHT and it’s the same, nothing. Straight ahead down that road nothing to the horizon either, what do we do, where do we go?

      If we go LEFT or RIGHT down those roads, we know that we will be fighting what looks to be very strong and tricky cross winds, so the only way we have left is straight ahead, at least we will have a tail wind to push us along. As we take one last look in the rear view mirror, we see that the storm is not making that dust cloud up in front; Its FOUR HORSE’S with RIDERS and they are fast approaching.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    14. Say When says:

      What shall it profiteth a man to inherit the wohole world but lose his soul.
      Say as uou will, but I for one will put my trust in the one that is above all.
      It is coming and there is not a lot we can do to prevent it.
      Continue to pray for the best.

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      • KY Mom says:

        I received this in an email. Hope you all have a great weekend.

        Dear Lord, I thank You for being so kind, so gracious, and so merciful.
        Thank You for loving me, and allowing me to be able to see and to hear this morning.
        I’m blessed because You are a forgiving God and an understanding God.
        You have done so much for me and You keep on blessing me.
        Forgive me this day for everything I have done, said or thought that was not pleasing to you.

        Please keep me safe from all danger and harm. Help me to start this day with a new attitude and plenty of gratitude.
        Let me make the best of each and every day, to clear my mind so that I can hear from You.
        Please broaden my mind that I can accept all things.
        Let me not whine and whimper over things I have no control over.
        Let me continue to see sin through your eyes and acknowledge it as evil.
        And when I sin, let me repent, and confess with my mouth my wrongdoing, and receive forgiveness for my trespasses.

        And when this world closes in on me, let me remember Jesus’ example — to slip away and find a quiet place to pray.
        It’s the best response when I’m pushed beyond my limits.
        I know that when I can’t pray, You listen to my heart. Continue to use me to do Your will.

        Continue to bless me that I may be a blessing to others. Keep me strong that I may help the weak.
        Keep me uplifted that I may have words of encouragement for others. I pray for those who are lost and can’t find their way.
        I pray for those who are misjudged and misunderstood. I pray for those who don’t know You intimately.
        I pray for those who don’t believe.
        But I thank You that I believe.

        I believe that You can change people, and that You can change things.
        I pray for all my sisters and brothers. For each and every family member in their households.
        I pray for peace, love and joy in their homes that they are out of debt and all their needs are met.

        I pray that every eye that reads this knows there is no problem, circumstance, or situation greater than You are.
        Every battle is in Your hands for You to fight.
        I pray that these words be received into the hearts of every eye that sees them and every mouth that confesses them willingly.

        This is my prayer.
        In Jesus’ Name,
        Amen.

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        • don't tread says:

          Nice!

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          Thanks KY,

          I had to step away from the keyboard to get a ‘wipe’ after that. As you say,

          “I know that when I can’t pray, You listen to my heart. Continue to use me to do Your will.”

          It is not hands that do, or lips that speak…but the SPIRIT that abides within that He placed into us that he knows us by….”He that made Me knows me, better than even I know myself.” Thanks Hon. :)

          JOG

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        • Chip says:

          Thanks for posting this prayer. Forwarded this prayer to my list. This is very comforting to read.

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        • 4yearprepper says:

          The first words on my lips each morning is “Good morning God”
          You are ushering in another day
          untouched and freshly new,
          so here I come to ask you God if
          You’ll renew me too?

          Forgive the many errors that
          I made yesterday,
          and let me try again dear God,
          to walk closer in Thy way.

          But Father, I am well aware
          I can’t make it on my own.

          So take my hand and hold it tight
          for I can’t walk alone
          Helen Steiner Rice, author

          This is taped to my bathroom mirror with a beautiful picture of Jesus above it. This is the start of each new for me.

          God Bless all of you on this Easter Sunday. He is risen from the dead. Amen
          @KY Mom

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    15. Beans&Weenies says:

      Prices at the grocery store are unbelievable! Even Beans & Weenies are getting expensive! And food costs almost as much at the grocery store as it does in a restaurant!

      And restaurants, even the fast food crap is $10 bucks a person – throw in a beverage and tip and it costs $50 bucks for a family of four to eat at a modest place.

      $100 at the grocery store will not buy much these days!

      THIS is how they are going to get us. You work out your budget, looks good in your mind, and WAMMO! You under-guesstimated about the BUDGET BUSTER grocery store!

      Groceries or the mortgage?

      “Private Equity” aka Bernanke and the Banksters buy almost HALF of the residential home sales these days. No mortgages. Cash. QE Quantitative Easing CASH!

      Our own government is out to BUST OUT the middle class!

      I so totally “get” the French Revolution!

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    16. Eisenkreuz says:

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/28/sikh-in-california-uses-religion-to-challenge-fire/

      A basic precept of the Sikh religion is that they must be armed at all times and stand ready to fight injustice in the world. They have given many lives to fight for the freedom of religions that they aren’t even a part of. The Sikh temples in the east are islands of freedom in a cesspool of Islam. Sikhs are very decent people. They are the good guys.

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    17. infocyde says:

      Rogers can go frack himself. He and his buddy Soros were instrumental in the destruction of this country through deindustrialization. I’m tired of seeing his little halfling like form with a bow tie harping about the decline of America and gloom and doom, much of which he was complicit in bringing. Asian nations said to he and his buddy Soros, “Come on over and invest for short term gain. But as you do we will rob your nation while you invest in us through the use of co-developments schemes, industrial espionage, and disrespecting intellectual property laws. You can make money but we China and others will use traders like yourselves to steal technology at the expense of the United States citizens.” Soros and his partner Farber and many like them said, “No worries, frack the United states. We have no loyalty. Let it be destroyed and we will move all the production we can to Asia so you can steal all you want. Just make us rich.” Frack that little bow tied hobbit. I’m not going to let him assume a little guru prepper title. Dude is an arse. Many others have long said the same warnings that he has, I’ll listen to the those who were ether non or less complicit in the destruction of the western world before I would ever listen to that hobbit.

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      • Horse'sass says:

        I must admit that I have particular distain (?jealousy?) for people like Soros, Rogers, Romney, etc etc., who now preach to us when they themselves have gotten rich at the expense of the middle class investor, and have done no useful, productive, value added work. Rather, by default, i.e., by not doing any useful work, they have been freed up to perfect their parasitic ways to game the system while everyone else does all the work for them, from feeding them, to supplying gas and motorcycles for Rogers round the world motocross trip etc.

        Quite hypocritical that after gathering everyone else’s hard earned income, they now tell them to run for the hills.

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      • Eisenkreuz says:

        He hasn’t spoken to Soros in decades. Rogers is a very decent man.

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      • durango kidd says:

        No that was George H.W. Bush who cut the deal for his buddies with China. Then his son, GWB stuck the knife in OUR backs and allowed 42,400 factories and 60 million jobs to be off shored; gutting the middle class. get your facts straight.

        Imagine what the next Bush will do if he is elected POTUS.

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        • infocyde says:

          Clinton gave China Most Favored Nation status…just FYI. Both parties are controlled by big interest, don’t get in the blame Bush blame Obama blame Clinton mindset. Blame them all.

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          • durango kidd says:

            I do blame them all. But it was the Bush boys who put the nails in OUR coffin. O’bummer is just throwing dirt to fill in the grave.

            GWB is a FUCKING TRAITOR who should be indicted and hung!

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            • Kevin2 says:

              durango kidd

              We been down this street many times. Bill Clinton twisted arms to get NAFTA, signed China Free Trade and the demise of Glass-Steagall which allowed the financial fox to feed upon the Wall Street / Financial chicken coop. 83% of US Senate Republicans voted for China Free Trade while 80% of US Senate Democrats did likewise including Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy and Biden.

              Clinton did what both GH Bush and GW Bush were incapable of (but desiring) doing.

              They are all responsible.

              Anything else is revisionist history.

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              • durango kidd says:

                K2: Did 42,400 FACTORIES and 60 million jobs off shore under that swine Bill Clinton? Or did they leave during the GWB administration?

                Bush? Yes or No? Just answer the question. Yes or no? Don’t wait for the translation. Just answer the question! :-)

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                • John W. says:

                  Clinton signed NAFTA which is mostly responsible for the flood of illegal Mexicans. They could no longer farm for a profit after NAFTA.

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                • Kevin2 says:

                  Yes the jobs left under George Bush as he wanted them to do. Who put their signature on the agreements that guaranteed for it to happen a few months before leaving office?

                  While not stopping the crime does not equal the guilt of committing it everyone at the Presidential level of successive Administrations regardless of political Party did everything they could to facilitate the abomination of “Free Trade”. Bush would come before labor and have stones thrown at him while the very same ignorant fools embrace Clinton still listening to his advice.

                  Pass a bad check and it’s the guy who signed it that is convicted.

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              along with hw.

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          • J. Roy says:

            Blaming Bush or Obama is like blaming the guy re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. He certainly hurt us, did not help us, but it was going to happen anyway thanks to the decline of values and lack of national will.

            “Death before inconvenience!” is the war cry of modern America.

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        • Journalist says:

          If the next election gives us the choice between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton…what can I say?

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    18. infocyde says:

      “partner Farber” should read “partner Rogers”.

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    19. Zoltanne says:

      We’re on a ridge near the top of the mountains and we’re not going down ‘em to hill country. :-)

      I truly believe people must leave urban areas. Doesn’t matter what city or what state — the concentrated population has poor survival odds. The suburbs have a few things going for them but with the probability that there will be an influx of urban-manics, the burbs will best succeed with strong community ties, cooperation amongst one another, and gardens everywhere. The odds aren’t great but they’re better than urban areas offer.

      Heading for the hills, per se, is the best advice and those who can get out of a concentrated population and into a rural area will do the best. Of course, there are many life changes that go with a migration from urban/suburban into rural or countrified-burbs.

      But this article morphed from getting into the hills into getting into real estate, ie farming. There are a few issues I have with the claim that farmers are going to be wealthy businessmen and landowners. (For this readership, we’re pretty much talking about American farmland/rural property.)

      Here in the US, there are only a few classifications of farmers in today’s America: corporate farms (not farmers, just CEOs and Boards), large ranches (all are Central or Western states with various grazing, mineral, and water rights), small farms with 1-3 crops, and market farms with diverse crops for the retail trade. Are any of these farms producing “wealthy” people? Yes, the top tiers are: corporate farms and large ranches. And one of these will grow bigger and more powerful and the other one is destined to die by the hands of the Feds.

      The Federal farm subsidies are almost exclusively given to corporate “big Ag” farms. No “wealth” for the little guys, the Big Ag boys get that cash. Both the large ranches and the small farms (over 50 acres, less than 500acres) will be gone in the near future due to the inheritance taxes. It’s part of the plan to destroy these large land holdings. So unless there are legal loopholes to protect rightful heirs from these larger parcels (perhaps the only salvation will be through family corporate farming), the lands will be sold in whole to corporate farms or divided into parcels for development or smaller farms. Not very promising for a ‘get rich quick’ scheme….

      Then there is the onslaught of Agenda 21 which has a stronghold in most states (covertly wrapped up inside the Comprehensive Planning regs). One of the money-laundering, land-grabbing schemes of Agenda 21 is through “TDRs” which are Transfers of Development Rights. A TDR is a cash payment to a farmer from a developer (or government) to have the exclusive development rights to his land upon sale or death. It is speculative land grabbing and zoning redefinition, and is EXTREMELY dangerous. Implementing the TDRs into comprehensive planning will force all of those wealth-hungry, unsuspecting farmers into killing their farm for that money up-front. You might wonder why farmers are so interested in TDRs in the first place — well, money for a written promise is so easy to do….Hmmm, maybe those farmers aren’t “wealthy”. And maybe that proves how dumb the advise is to buy farms to get “wealthy”.

      Let’s get real. Forget making big wads of money right now — keep investing wisely in yourself and your own. Preserve what you have, take necessary steps to shore up your base, and get ready to hunker down. JOG had an excellent post in the last article about the New Dawn. So very appropriate!

      When the “S” hits hard and people want to buy food, grain, or hay for animal feed, where will they go? Will these people really get the resources they need through State-run farms or Big Ag? Or will they get their resources from a local source or from their own small plot of land? Those small community farmers with 50 acres or less will do exceptionally well, provided they’re not raided or seized.

      The best bet is to find a small parcel and start working your own land (unless you already are). It isn’t about making wads of money. It isn’t about getting dollar-rich from farming. It’s about changing the mindset that defines “wealth”. To do that, first define what is truly important to you and yours. The rest falls into place.

      Rather than trying to get wealthy by making major farmland purchases or becoming a land baron in Thailand, it’s about small scale. It’s being a smallholder. It’s homesteading. It’s within reach of many, especially those who decide to team up with others in the family or a small group. Doing this gives a different form of “wealth”, yes, but it’s not measured in USD.

      Time to move forward and accept these changes we’re so damn angry over. It’s here. It’s not going to go away over night. Learn how to adapt to the changes that are about to strangle you/me/us/America. As it has been said, “Shit or get off the pot.” If you’re on the fence with a few decisions, think about it over the weekend and ask yourself how YOU will feel if your own savings were stolen by the Marxist regime. PLAN ACCORDINGLY. “They” have planned. Get ready to counter with Zoltanne’s Revenge: Get a small parcel of decent land in the country and become self-reliant. The “wealth” in currency is quickly becoming a mirage and is no longer measured in dollars or whatever “currency” a product or service demands. The real “wealth” is satisfaction in knowing you and yours have simplified your life, unplugged from the rat race, not been tempted by evil, and lived well despite the odds.

      If I can do it, you can too.

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      • Well spoken!

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      • jerrytbg says:

        wow…

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      • J. Roy says:

        Great post, Z.

        I really want to get out of Tampa and back to my family in Oregon, but my wife and her folks are not crazy about the idea.

        I think cities will be the wild west when it all falls apart and the best chance is in smaller, more remote communities.

        Great advice, hope there is enough time left to follow it.

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        • MOMO says:

          Crazy but not about the idea. I think you misspoke.

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        • Zoltanne says:

          J. Roy, Tampa? Yikes!! Work hard to convince your wife that the time is drawing near. There are enough articles and videos on the WWW to help illustrate your point. Any chance of a trip to look at property? Even if it’s rental property, it’s getting out and away from ‘the masses’.

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          • J. Roy says:

            Z, the big sticking point is her parents. She doesn’t want me to talk to them about this so I don’t scare them and is in no hurry to do so herself. She won’t leave them and I can’t either, even though I should. What kind of a man would I be if I deserted them?

            She did mention the idea that she brought it up after Easter service and he didn’t say yes or no. It is maddening to be thwarted by my own wife’s normalcy bias. She is a woman of many virtues but cannot imagine a change to the current paradigm.

            We are upside down in our house but I have a little money and a few essentials in storage. I am confident about our chances once we hit the road. The trick is to get out before anyone else does. There are only 2 arteries out of the state, very easy to shut down either because of traffic/accidents etc, or deliberately.

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            • Zoltanne says:

              J.Roy, find some of the alternate routes as a backup plan to GOOD if those 2 main roads were closed.

              And it wouldn’t hurt to get good detail maps and the topo maps surrounding a destination if you plan to leave quickly.

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    20. Say When says:

      Jom Rogers says to run for the hills- I live in the hills this is a warning-don’t run for the hills, that is a good way to end your days on planet earth…
      I love you all, but there is a limit to who enters my hill.

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    21. netnut says:

      $ 12,000.00 an AC Farm land %^&#^!!!
      Most of my life, land avg 800.00 – 1,200.00 an ac.
      This is scarrier than we Know!

      Just sold a farm in Iowa !!! Talk about BUBBLES!!!
      We live in interesting times!!!
      30 yrs of great times , will turn too 30 yrs of bad!! I FEAR
      Ying & Yang!!;-))
      Smile & Happy Easter!!!!

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      • durango kidd says:

        Investors who are paying $12,000 per acre for farmland are not buying the farmland. They are buying the water rights and the oil and gas potential.

        That is why farmland in North Dakota for example, is up 30%.

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        • High Noon says:

          Idiot

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          • durango kidd says:

            You obviously know nothing about the highest price farmland in America which is in North Dakota. The BEST farmland is in Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana. I grew up in farm country.

            Some coal in Illinois, but very little oil & gas in Iowa and Indiana.

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            • John W. says:

              The best farmland was in Southern Calif. It is all paved over now. What a waste to put up Mcmansions and malls no one needs.

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              • Smokey says:

                Here in NW Washington we have the best farmland in the country, deep soils you won’t see anywhere on earth except the Ukraine podzhol, their famous ‘black earth’. We are busy paving it over for used car lots and Californian refugees.

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            • BigB says:

              @DK, I just want you to know how much I appreciate the heads up on the AZ land. I am working on the Sierra Verde Ranch land as I write. Excellent suggestion. I would like to get down there in the next 2 weeks and firm up the whole thing. 10 hours driving time from my place. Thanks again.

              BigB

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              • durango kidd says:

                Here’s a link for you:

                http://www.sierraverderanch.org/fusionbb/fusionbb.php

                Might want to check the forum out. I would want to know the depth of the water table and the flow rate for most wells that have been drilled.

                This is pinion pine country. Indians use to eat the seeds. Fire can be a hazard here. Give that some consideration with construction plans. I think I would want a south facing site along and into the side of a hill for a home site, above a creek or arroyo that I could dam. Dredge the pond every Spring for nuggets.

                I get hunting and prospecting privileges right? :-)

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                • BigB says:

                  DK, thanks again, already had it book marked. Yes on the hunting privileges and 50/50 you do the work on the gold. :) Kind of excited about this. We will see how it works out. Need to find out about VA facilities and a couple of other things. I hate snow! Lived in MN for a year as a kid.

                  BigB

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                • durango kidd says:

                  BigB; There is a VA Hospital in Prescott which you can access via South 89 that runs between Seligman (on I-40) and Prescott. Maybe 60-70 miles from Seligman.

                  You will get some snow there and the nights are cold for fruit trees; more so with elevation. But its a DRY snow. :-)

                  It is a four season climate and maples and birches will grow for syrup with water. And the sun does shine more than 300 days a year.

                  A greenhouse of some kind IS recommended. Good luck.

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      • durango kidd says:

        I hope it was the one that recently sold for $21,500 an acre. Probably more to the sale than just the land but I don’t know.

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    22. Eisenkreuz says:

      There is no reason on Earth why marijuana needs to be illegal. We lock up more of our people than any other country in the world. 50% of drug arrests are for marijuana, a substance which is completely harmless. Cost to the taxpayer is about 14 billion per annum.

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      • The only reason is that the “war on drugs” is a huge industry. Think of the cops, lawyers, judges, police equipment suppliers, etc. .gov won’t upset THAT apple cart. If one or the other should be illegal, it should be alcohol.

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    23. SidDavis says:

      The reasons cities became big and people left farms for the cities was industrialization. Industrialization was driven by energy; it only began about 400 years ago when we figured out how to exploit underground coal deposits and then accelerated when we discovered oil.

      Today much industry has left the US because of cheaper wages abroad, and the destructive and costly effects of government regulation. What industry remains depends heavily on the continued flow of energy to fuel it, and that is a serious question given that the amount of energy expended to acquire more energy is growing at a compound rate, leaving less and less each year out of what is produced to fuel the economy. In the last decade total production of oil has flattened out so we can no longer compensate for the energy loss from the exponential growth of cost by increasing total production.

      The consequences of failing to produce enough energy will put an end to the industrial age and force us back to pre-industrial agriculture which means food production will plummet. Instead of 150 bushels of corn per acre from industrial farming, we will be forced back to the days where 30 bushels per acre was more normal, and even then 20% of the land was needed to raise feed for draft animals.

      This is unfolding during our lifetimes and unless you are in the last quarter of your life, will have a dramatic effect on your chances for survival. Live rural or die will describe the future.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        I believe your analysis does not take into account the revolution in seed and farming technology that took place about 1970 or the development of fracking technology.

        A great amount of energy usage is for pleasure purposes in the developed world. Sufficient fuel will be available for farming. That being said the cities especially in bad climates do not serve the needs they originally intended as manufacturing has fled. Camden NJ is decades ahead with this progression from productive to dependent.

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        • SidDavis says:

          What you site as the revolution in seeds was just a change to strains that were more heavily dependent on fertilizers and pesticides, but of which require large inputs of fossil fuels. Talk to farmers who raise corn and they will tell you that they get increased production, but also have greatly increased costs, which is just another way of saying that it take more energy input. That is the problem; we are essentially eating oil and natural gas, and this won’t work when net energy production can’t be increased.

          Fracking is a flash in the pan. First of all it takes a huge input of energy to produce oil from these wells. That is the problem; they use up considerably more energy that a conventional well. The “low hanging fruit principle” says we take the easiest to find and produce, cleanest, most energy dense, most profitable deposits first and leave the rest for later, and tight oil is what we left for later, which turns out to be now. It takes a price of $90 a barrel to make them break even, and like all oil operations, we go after the best fields first, so the jump in US production from fracking tight oil won’t be sustained. And these wells deplete very rapidly; you are talking just a few years before they are no longer practical to keep producing. And the kicker is the amount of energy in tight oil is far below the energy in conventional oil. This is because it is made up of short chain hydrocarbon molecules; anything larger won’t fit in the rocks that contain this type of oil. (Not every barrel of oil has the same energy content.)

          This is a major problem which will force us to give up much of what we consume. Luxuries, advanced medical care, and higher education are already under great pressure from the inability of the economies of the world to advance. You are correct that food (and shelter) will be the last to go, but go they will. The world population 400 years ago was about 3/4 of a billion people; that is what renewable energy will support. Today it is 7 billion and what drove that exponential explosion in population was the exponential explosion in acquiring energy stored in fossil fuels with a small contribution from hydro and nuclear. Without this energy input the world’s human population must fall because it is mostly the output from the energy driven industrial age that supports the present population.

          The cake has been eaten, and the party is over.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Actually oil from fracking is selling for $65 per barrel. Because of this low price it’s economically viable to rail car it to oil refineries on the east coast where it’s problem is it’s too easy to process because of it’s viscosity and lack of sulfur. The depletion is open for debate as huge areas show significant resources and we’re just scratching the surface. The more they look the more that their surprised that they find.

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            • Eisenkreuz says:

              Fracking is horrible for the environment and should be banned. The government should tax gas to make it $7 a gallon like in Europe. We’ve got to stop these asshole Americans from destroying the Earth. You don’t need to have these giant SUVs. They should be banned as well.

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          • J. Roy says:

            Great post. The idea that the population explosion in the industrial age was due to energy is an interesting one. I think technology in general, and improvements in medical technology in particular, had more to do with that population explosion than energy.

            Not exactly sure what fracking is. It sounds like something college kids do while playing quarters. Extracting shale oil (I think fracking has something to do with that) is nothing new. The Nazis did that in WWII because they had limited access to oil. It was expensive and inefficient.

            Still, the idea that cheap and plentiful energy is one of the main crutches of the modern way of life is undeniable. You make very good points but I think cheap and plentiful energy is an ancillary, rather than primary cause.

            Have you ever heard Corb Lund? “When the oil stops, everything stops, nothin’ left in the fountain, nobody wants paper money, son so you just best stop countin”…Pretty solid analysis for a Canadian cowboy…

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            • Kevin2 says:

              Fracking is upstream in the oil industry which is exploration & production, downstream is marketing & refining (where I know a little). The NAZIs were converting coal to gasoline which is a downstream function.

              Abundant and therefore cheap energy (coal, oil, gas, nuclear) and the ability to make it conveniently available to the masses (electricity) put the M in in modern society. The fuel to useful energy machines that powered the industrial revolution were 8% (not 80%) thermally efficient. The conventional automotive gasoline engine was 15% efficient and recently achieved 22% efficiency.

              Because the raw energy is there and technology has been improving efficiency (remember 10 MPG) the probability of increasing efficiencies will significantly compensate for a decreasing energy input. Technology has been finding more and more energy too.

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            • Zoltanne says:

              J. Roy, most folks tend to associate/correlate increased technology with longevity but this factor alone cannot explain the exponential population growth. In fact, without energy, much of our technology would have not been created/invented.

              Many look at Rachel Carson as the person who first wrote about sustainable resources, population, and the impact that people have had on nature/resources. I think, though, the “peak oil” theorist, M. King Hubbert, furthered the correlation of cheap oil and its impact on humans.

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              • J. Roy says:

                Good points. I love this website. A year ago I would have laughed at the idea that I might become a member.

                I appreciate the insights and feedback of all even if I do not necessarily agree.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Membership? Yes, membership has its privileges. Send me $49.95 and I will send you a SHTF Decoder Ring and FREE! official SEAL Team America decal to put on the window of your truck. and I will throw in a used SHTF America T-shirt.

                  Ya, gotta love that!

                  Credit cards, Paypal or Bitcoin approved, but the coin of the realm is preferred. :-)

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              • durango kidd says:

                Exponential population growth? That happens because the Satanic Catholic Priesthood encourages young, uneducated, Hispanic girls to have 9, 10, or 12 kids on the taxpayer dime, who they cannot afford to fed, clothe, educate, or shelter.

                FACT.

                More than 51% of ALL Hispanic households receive some form of government assistance; while the Satanic Catholic Priesthood urges the rest of US to give to the poor and uneducated, whom they continue to urge have more children; while they siphon off the donations and receive government grants to perpetuate their perversions.

                Now Pope Francis is urging US to “consider the poor” : meaning donate money to Catholic Charities to perpetuate pedofilia throughout the Church.

                Thankfully, he is the Last Pope and judgement will be coming upon the Vatican in the due course of time. I for one will not morn but cheer when iyt goes up in smoke and God’s wrath.

                Happy Easter! :-)

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          • Grasshopper says:

            Yep, that’s what I keep saying… When it costs more and requires more energy to extract the oil than what they get in return– that is, when its no longer profitable to extract the oil– then “its over”. The party is over.. the cliff occurs. Fracking is just scraping the bottom of the barrel, so to speak, searching for the last remaining drops of oil.

            Of course Peak oil has occurred. Would they be doing off shore drilling (dangerous and expensive) or fracking (energy intensive, costly, and takes tremendous amounts of energy)– would they be doing these things if there was still a lot of conventional oil left (that comes shooting up out of the ground)? Of course not. The party is over and we better adjust accordingly.

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            • Grasshopper says:

              oops… I meant to write that it requires tremendous amounts of water for fracking.

              also, concerning huge increase in human population since industrial revolution– all you have to do is look at the graph of human population. Its quite obvious! the jump in human population occurred when the industrial revolution occurred. Before that, it was a constant since time of Christ– around one billion or so. just look at the graph! go to Michael Ruppert’s latest video and you’ll see. at collapsenet.com

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      • Journalist says:

        Agenda 21 aims to congregate people in the cities and prevent homesteads in the country under 20 acres. When I moved to the small rural town I am in now, it was battling the State Growth Management Act over this issue. Did not want to let our town develop beyond a 2 block area, subdivide land smaller than 20 acre parcels, change any business to anything other than what it was since 1993 or some date I don’t exactly recall. I had Mastered in Third World Development Projects so helped the town write its own proposal fighting those restrictions. We won our case, but a lot of nearby towns and cities did not and are becoming ghost towns, unable to change or develop. So it is not just industrialization that is to blame. It is the UN population management agenda.

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        • Overheard says:

          It’s a big UN shit sandwich and we’re all going to have to take a bite.

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          • Naw…just toss it in the compost..let the worms eat it!

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          • durango kidd says:

            No, We do not have to “take a bite”. Arizona has a bill pending in its Senate that repudiates Agenda 21 and makes it ILLEGAL in Arizona.

            Engage your employees or be enslaved by them. Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

            Let your Barnhardt out!

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            • John W. says:

              Yeah? And the Feds will take it to court and ram it down their throats. There is absolutely no law anymore. We are now a Third World nation of men, not law.

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    24. Leslie Anne says:

      I can just feel something bad is on the horizon.

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    25. Grasshopper says:

      Zoltanne, thank you so much! That was an excellent post! I have been so stressed out lately, could hardly sleep last night (indecisive about what to do and very discouraged). Your comments make a lot of sense and are very welcolmed! I copied everything you wrote! ; )

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    26. Satori says:

      ah hah !!!

      now we know what the North Koreans are really up to !!!

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9961795/North-Korea-Kim-Jong-un-targets-George-W.-Bushs-home-state-of-Texas.html

      planning on swinging by the Crawford Ranch ???

      might wanna delay that trip !

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    27. Tomahawk says:

      Funny thing about money: if it didn’t exist, we wouldn’t need it.

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    28. Top @ Bragg says:

      Watch out for a huge false flag with North Korea. All of the lame stream media is controlled by the government and CIA period. A “wag the dog” scenairo could be upon us and we would not have a clue. There are no reporters in North Korea. So… If you can convince a population that airplanes brought down building 7 then you can easily launch missiles at the US and have the sheep believing that a fat assed crazed North Korean dictator did it. He is the perfect scapegoat. Then you have your martial law, gun confiscation and a collapse of our economy. Ushering in the NWO and one monetary system. Digital of course. I rest my case.

      Keep your powder dry
      Top

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    29. flabbergasted says:

      You never really own “your” land. You will always owe taxes and if you don’t pay them “they” will confiscate it. If you have a mortgage on your property you are in double trouble. Then there is the situation with the federal reserve taking possession of $40 billion worth of mortgages every month through QE3! Do you not see that they are setting up mortgage holders just as they are bank account holders?! How can you pay a mortgage or taxes without an income or a vast amount of “their” currency? Only the wealthy/connected will retain their wealth. All others will be subject to confiscation of any assets. Think it won’t happen? Yeah right!

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    30. OutWest says:

      “Be informed” is right
      Way too much emphasis here being put on extracting every
      last penny from a retirement account or the reluctance
      to move away from that cushy job and palatial estate in
      the suburbs.
      If the move to safer ground isn’t being made right now
      the chances of pulling it off later are rather slim at
      best. Waiting until the ground starts rumbling beneath
      them is probably not the wisest tact to persue.

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    31. Stand Together says:

      Here is another approach. Think about all the Federal checks, that goes out. Each and every month. Why not attach a 10-30% on them. All the different Social Security,SSI, disability, retirement and uneployment.
      This would be an easy way. Call is a cost of living for the Gov’t.

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    32. SeriouslyWhy says:

      A farm in the country would be nice. Unfortunately, Obama has given himself the power to control everything, including farmland and anything it might produce…I’m afraid the Govt plans to take away the land and chase citizens to big cities. (Agenda 21).

      :(

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      • Zoltanne says:

        Please don’t be discouraged in thinking a small farmette or homestead isn’t attainable. Just be careful with the Zoning plans and the property you are interested in, making sure it’s zoned according to your needs. There are many tiers of rural and/or agricultural zones and many have restrictions.

        The land grabs and population management by the UN was established long before Obama. We can blame Obama for loads of crap, but this isn’t his claim to infamy.

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      • That’s true, but the Agenda 21 plan is scheduled to be complete around 2050. That means if you’re young, you have time to move and live there many years, including riding out the crash before elements of their plan force a move back to the cities. If you’re older, you may never have to move back to the cities.

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      • I would also like to encourage you and anyone else to go for it…dont allow the fear of some possibility to keep you from independence….its not a perfect life and its full of hard work and dissappointment but its one ofthe last most free lifestyles left….besides theres alot of good eating you just cant buy! Be a rebel…grow something! :)

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    33. actonfaith says:

      once when I was very sad and went to my doctor crying, he looked me straight in the eye and said, what do you WANT to do and before I could think I blurted out “I hate my job and want to quit” and he said then that’s what you must do, go with your gut instinct, so if you think you should cash out your 401k, do it now, if it turns out all this was just an illusion, you can always put it back in later–

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    34. NMBC says:

      Jim Rogers and Dr. Faber are the real experts and always true to their own cause.

      Excellent article, thanks.

      :)

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      • NMBC says:

        I was trying to be the 100th posting,and someone beat me me to it. Whoever that person was, do you really have to to that????

        Man, I’m always one second too late for everything.
        But Im still trying.

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    35. johhnyblaze1971 says:

      The title seems alittle early to tell the people to head for the hills now….

      For now, if you live east, prepare like you would a heavy rain or snow storm, live in the mid, prepare for a tornado or like weather conditions, live in the north, prepare like always for the winters, live in the south, or west, buy AMMO! I’m not downplaying the events currently going on, I’m just saying, heading for the hills if you don’t have a place is a one time shot! If your bunker down, maybe spend some more time there..

      You must keep your mental bearings intact… Any true prepper I feel will know when to head for the hills.

      As others have said, enjoy this weekend with family and friends and try to forget about all the bullshit that’s going on in this world.

      Puff puff pass

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      • The most commonly used word in the English language is “ear”. The word usually follows a deep inhalation that is held–”EEAR!”

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      • chickenlittle says:

        A true prepper is already in the hills… We’ve had a derecho and snowmaggeden as dry runs for the future. Seems like God is giving us here in Virginia some practice for no ‘lectricity and gas… I never skipped a beat with my preps. The situations never lasted long enough to have to purify water or break out the freeze dried stuff…

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    36. JayJay says:

      Greg Hunter, with Weekly News Wrapup..

      10.8 Trillion in U.S. banks
      FDIC has 33 Billion to insure that 10.8 Trillion

      If you still have money in any banks, why???

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    37. I can hear the thunder,….there’s a storm coming….

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    38. Be informed says:

      @ BigB. I agree that little fat rat in North Korea could attack someone around Easter. He is likely just like a hormone hyped of peacock trying to spread out the feathers as wide as possible though. The issue though about North Korea is very frightening for the world. Any country that has been preparing for war for decades like this has some of the worst biological weapons you can imagine. If they can make a nuke, they can certainly make a missile with a warhead full of Marburg spliced with some other virus. It is extremely likely they have smallpox, as this virus was still quite rampant up until the late 1960′s.

      Aside from the biological horror, it should be understood that it is also likely that North Korea has many more nukes than just 8-10 like the mass media tells everyone. The mountains of North Korea are rich in uranium and they have almost certain gotten to the point of uranium enrichment to the point of weapons grade. I would not be surprised if North Korea had more nukes than India. Getting those nukes to where they want them is the problem. If their missile program was more like the USSR in the 1950′s and 60′s, then the U.S. would be real worried. Their missiles though are almost like a scud with more scuds strapped on them to make them fly further.

      Here is something to consider with missiles getting out of North Korea, it is only 46,000 square miles, the same size as Pennsylvania. That is about 215 miles by 215 miles, small area. Most missiles could be intercepted because of this. Missiles launched from Russia, 6.6 million square miles, China 3.7 million sq miles, FORGET IT. Even Iran is the size of Alaska at about 635,000 sq. miles would be really difficult to knock down before they reached space to come back down on U.S. territory. I am far more worried about the bio threat would could kill hundreds of millions or billions for some very contagious doomsday type virus depending on just how nuts Porky is over in North Korea.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Evening BI,

        As it happens…

        there are consistantly about 14 Aegis-class Missle cruisers on station in the Pacific at all times. The missles are quite capable of targeting anything within about 640 miles of launch…up, down, right, left…yep, they’re fully capable of catching incoming in the orbital phase also. S’OK Friend…this week! ;)

        JOG

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        • BigB says:

          JOG, BI and all, I don’t think that little crazy bastard has any idea of what would happen. Nor do his generals. He at least has been out of his little country but those generals know nothing other than what they have been taught. Three generations of extreme indoctrination of an ideology with no outside influence. That cannot be good. Even the Chinese think he is crazy at this point and it looks like they have no control over him.

          In a world of a box of matches all it is going to take is one incident to throw everything into a tail spin and spark a conflagration this world has ever seen. To top it all off I am not so sure that it and other scenarios have been engineered by TPTB.

          This impression I and others on this board have is rapidly expanding to people all over the world. Strangers in the market are talking about some thing bad is going to happen in the very near future. I don’t believe there has ever been another time in our lives where so many are becoming so aware.

          As I have said before I thank God every morning for another day without the SHTF which on turns gives me and others such as the people on this site to prepare.

          BigB

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Howdy BigB!

            Sorry I didn’t get to your post sooner…the lasr few days have been a bit of a mess.

            I AGREE with your observations…completely. A waking-up IS occuring now…but almost I FEAR that inasmuch as IF the ‘Invisibles’ on the top ‘see’ such then they will almost CERTTAINLY act. May God have Mercy on us ALL. As Smokin has noted below, “Happy Son-day” Friend!

            JOG

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      • Chip says:

        I think that if you peeled away some layers of subterfuge, you would find that the little fat rat is running a con for China.

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    39. Nargonstalator says:

      Back in the period of Sep. through Oct. 2012 the GAO did a “finance & records” survey of personal retirement of US citizens. They found $1.7 billion. With this flap going on in euro-land, how long do you think before our fearless leaders try to tap into this cache due to some “emergency”?

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      • durango kidd says:

        $1.7 billion? That wouldn’t buy the FEDS coffee and donuts for more than a week….. just saying. They don’t think about billions anymore.

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    40. Stickman says:

      Sorry to get off topic everyone but I have a question that only y’all on this site can answer. I’ve heard that having a HAM radio scanner/receiver is good to have in a SHTF scenario. Was wondering what any of you think of this and can you recommend an inexpensive unit? Don’t know anything about them and was wondering how hard they are to operate. Any comment would be appreciated.

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      • Gadabout says:

        I heard the same thing; in emergencies when all other forms of communication are down, ham works. I did just get my operator’s license, the basic one is called technician. Check out arrl.org, the official site for amateur radio league. You can buy one and just listen but you need a license to transmit. Yaesu is considered a good brand, made in Japan while many others are made in China. I got a mobil unit, FT250 for $99 after the rebate. It doesn’t work inside my house but does in the yard; I need to get an antenna. See if you can find a local ham radio club in your area, they would be helpful.

        Of course you are going to need electricity to charge it so you should get an adapter to charge it in the car.

        I’m new to this and would love to hear more feedback from others.

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      • Red Leader says:

        In Short Wave Receivers you get what you pay for. The rock solid mid priced radio that is proven is the Icom R-75.

        A radio is only good as it’s antenna. The least expensive high performance antenna is a Dipole antenna. This is essentially a long wire. Something like the DX-Ultra is a inexpensive antenna that will give good performance.

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    41. Anonymous says:

      I’m a working man with a family of 3. I know of 1 person in my life that has more than 10,000 in a bank account. I’m lucky to have $60.00 spending cash in my wallet after bills on pay day. If you believe taking 10% of my life savings for a total of $500.00 is going to prevent this collapse, bang on! I have no sympathy for the people who are crying foul because your about to take 10% of their $100,000. THIS IS NOT REALITY FOR THE AVERAGE WORKING MAN LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

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      • Anonymous says:

        That’s funny. Not really. I’m in the same boat. What’s half of nothing? Nothing lol. If this collapses we will be ahead of the power curve. I’m ready for a change. I’m sick of living just above the poverty line. I’m ready to either get fired or just quit so I can live the same way as if I was working. I can live off cheep food. I do it now. Lets get the battle started now.

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      • Jimb says:

        If your talking about Cypress, it’s not 10% its 80% of any account with over 100,000 euros. I know it’s hard to feel sorry for such evil rich people because everyone knows they must have stolen that money anyway right????!!!
        Once those evil rich people lose there money, they will pull what is left to use on the survival of their family and your 60.00 spending money a week will drop to 0 or more likely less.

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        • Ralphieboy says:

          @jimb
          Pretty moronic post. Let ‘s talk about evil rich people. I am a small business guy. I keep well more than 100k in my bank account. This is working capital for the business, that buys raw materials for the goods we make, and pays the salaries for my employees. So take it from my evil hands, and guess what? I am out of business, and my employees don’t get paid. Punish me, the evil capitalist, and you really punish yourself.

          Guess what? My little company makes millions annually, but by the time I pay everyone and pay for all of the costs of doing business, there’s not a lot left over, just enough for an average middle class income. Yet I am the guy who takes all of the risk.

          Now Cyprus: In short order, we will see a cascading failure of businesses there, leaving most of the citizens unemployed, homeless and starving. That’ s what happens with this punish the rich scenario.

          I was once a wage slave like you, barely getting by. My take? If a person is fed up with their miserable life, get up off your ass and do something about it, rather than whining and complaining about how unfair life is. There are a million ways to make money and start a business, even if you have little money to begin with. It will take a hell of a lot of hard work, and it always involves risk. And that’s why you, sir, are still siting on our ass griping about the evil rich, because you are either unwilling to do the work, or unwilling to take the risk.

          All this said, there is no question hat über wealthy central bankers and mega corporations have rigged the system. And there is no question that this system is coming apart. I’ve seen it coming for years, and have researched this to death. But no way I will use this as an excuse to shut my doors and give up. I fight it every day of my life by growing my business and making sure the members of my business family prosper in spite of everything, and I make sure they understand they better prep along with me for the day when our Cyprus moment comes.

          So if you want to lie down, give up, whine, blame et al, have at it. When the collapse comes and your fat, lazy ass is steamrolled on the pavement, I’ll be shedding no tears.

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      • Anonymous says:

        I really hate to be a party pooper, but what business did you have fathering three children if your income level was insufficient to securely care for and raise three children? And let me guess, your wife works and the kids are actually being raised by daycare workers. Am I right?

        Don’t come crying to me about not having financial security after having had more children than you could responsibly afford.

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      • BOYCOTTING THE OBAMA ECONOMY says:

        I’LL PUT THIS IN CAPS…ON PURPOSE..

        WE ARE BOYCOTTING THE US ECONOMY UNTIL OBAMA IS OUT OF OFFICE.
        ZERO SPENDING. KILLING ALL OUR DEBTS.

        I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS COMMIE.

        FUCK HIM.

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      • J. Roy says:

        Anonymous, I am a working man with a family of 4. I don’t have more than $10k in any account anymore. What I do have is weapons, food for 6 months and the money to get more. I have kept one 401k but may liquidate that very soon as well.

        Don’t be intimidated. The fact that you are here shows your head is in the right place. It doesn’t cost anything but time to educate yourself and start planning your preparation and response when the collapse comes.

        There is a wealth of useful information on the net to help you get started. I was overwhelmed when I woke up and am just now starting to get a handle on things. It was hard to resist the impulse to run out and buy buy buy solutions and spend myself into the poor house.

        If I can do it, so can you. Best of luck.

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      • John W. says:

        anonymous,
        So you think that ordinary working people do not have a right or ability to have saved up 100,000 without it being stolen? People like you are why the rulers are always able to appeal to human envy to divide and oppress the population. You sound like Obama and it “You did not build it?, nonsense. I believe that a word that describes you best is loser.

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    42. Feisty Old Broad says:

      Sadly, I am not in a financial position to relocate…..I plan on staying where I am and, hopefully, I can be of assistence to others….
      fob

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        • Kettle Moraine says:

          I don’t think you should be getting red thumbed for this statement. People are obviously doing it without thinking. And I’m sure you threw it out there to get everyone fired up because it doesn’t go along with this article.

          Anyway, my reasoning. The first thing to do in an emergency is access the situation. Never try to help or save anyone without thinking first if you will die or drown in the attempt. In a shtf scenario, it would be wise to sit back and think.

          As the chaos unfolds many could die, but if you as the good samaritan is one of them, how does this help your family, friends, or yourself?
          molon labe

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            • Paranoid says:

              No you are ridiculed because you treat other people like dirt. Same reason you better never need a life ring, most of us would throw you a rock

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            • Anonymous says:

              But they are damn good at spotting a multiple personality nutjob when they see one……

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            • re: Industrial accidents

              60% of people who die in a confined space are would-be rescuers.

              E’s position is not without merit. Don’t just think about whether you CAN help, weigh whether you SHOULD. If ou hava a family, weigh the potential impact on them. Sadly, we are all going to find that we can’t afford to be as generous as now. I have friends from eastern Europe who can attest to this fact.

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          • BigB says:

            @Eisenkreuz, I know what you are saying is true to a point. The problem I see with it that if I survive I have to live with myself. If I cannot give to others till it hurts as one author stated then what is the point of being a human being.

            I guess my question for you is who are you doing the prepping for? You and yours alone? The question I think everyone should ask themselves is “What have I done with my life that was not centered around my own selfish needs and desires? If you can’t come up with at least several examples of truly giving to others then what was the point of your living?

            BigB

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              • SmokinOkie says:

                Whippersnapper, I’ve tried hard the last few days not to chastise you. Even thought a time or two I saw maturity developing in you. And it may be so. Still, I must reluctantly take you to the woodshed on this one.
                First, self-preservation and selfishness are not the same, even during a shtf event. There WILL be opportunities to show mercy and generosity at such times. And to do it without endangering one’s own safety. We’ll rely on our own best judgement to make that call, when, and if, it comes.
                Secondly, the most obvious sign of maturity among human beings, is UNselfishness. Not done in a foolish or compromising way, but, none the less, acting for the benefit of others. With no thought of gaining any beneficial return for ourselves. That’s true maturity. From war-time generals, to kindergarten teachers, no leader, in ANY situation, ever lacked this quality. If he did, he was no leader. Probably not even a very good follower. With the exception of a few tyrants and criminals, history has forgotten the names of every one of these.
                Thirdly, communism and sacrificial giving are not the same thing. Not even remotely related. Communism uses force to achieve it’s ends of supposed equality. Which ends are a lie, used merely to justify the force used by the tyrants who exercise it.
                Unselfishness, even to the level of sacrificial giving, is quite the opposite. The motivation comes from within. Or, if one is so disposed to believe, from the Higher Power that guides us. Either way, there is no design on gaining power, or any kind of self-gratifying return in those who practice such unselfishness. They don’t really even do it for the feeling of satisfaction (which may or may not result). They do it because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
                Right motivation. Right means. Right ends. Nothing has to be justified. Or excused. Or covered by a lie. It simply is what it is. And it IS the right thing to do.
                Lastly, to say “My life has given ME a lot of pleasure” (emphasis yours), is to demonstrate a profound lack of maturity. And if you truly have found ‘validation’ as a human being in pleasure, as it relates only to self, you have, sadly, settled for a very weak substitute for the genuine article.
                I still believe you can achieve more. You can BE more. Will you? Time will tell….

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                • JustOneGuy says:

                  BRAVO…Bravo Senor’ Smokin!

                  A masterful response Sir. I – however – think it to be much the same case as ‘casting pearls before swine’.

                  Eiz, there IS a REASON that Humankind has become the APEX species on this planet…cooperation and mutual defence are components of that. The ability to be ‘empathic’ is a NECCESSARY aspect of being in near proximity to others, Eh?

                  We are – literally, as group – “Greater than the SUM of our parts.” Perhaps one Greater than I will show forth to you wherein you lack…I hope so. What I have said before I MEAN. Also, REMEMBER THIS…He has way of “Redeeming us” when we least expect it…and the MORE we resist the WORSE the process of that Redemption will always be. I AM living proof of that VERY statement and so yes, “DO AS I SAY…NOT AS I DO!”

                  There are ONLY three kinds of People;

                  The Stupid – those who DO NOT learn from thier mistakes,

                  The Smart – those who DO learn,

                  The Wise – those who LEARN from OTHER people’s MISTAKES!

                  SO CHOOSE…and Profit or Be Damned by your choice thereby.

                  JOG

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                • JayJay says:

                  To add to Okie’s beautiful, thought-provoking post..

                  I Timothy 5:8….Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

                  Where does it say ‘provide for the community moochers’???

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                • SmokinOkie says:

                  Ah, whippersnapper, I feel the hatred within you. The real question is, are you Annakin or Luke? Don’t give in to the Dark Side! (and, no, i’m NOT kidding)

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              • Paranoid says:

                And you can be a libertarian Genus and still be an ass.

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        • John W. says:

          Probably true for someone like yourself whose own family left town and never told you where they went. Notice how people run when they see you approaching? Ever wonder why that is?

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    43. Steve Bullock Freemason a NWO Zionist Schill says:

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    45. Prepping Preacher says:

      as i said a little over a week ago, my wife and i have begun divorce procedings from our banking institution… all non-digital payment cash has been removed and digital payments are being reduced… snail mail using mo’s or hand-delivering cash is taking the place of auto-withdrawls…

      a few unsupported reports are pegging some of the robbery of Cyprus accounts at 40% to 80% of holdings… Canada has now written language into their laws to do the same… think hard folks… still believe it won’t/can’t happen here..?? yeah, yeah, “but dis ain’t canada man…” have it your way, if you must…

      yes, we both have the means and basic abilities to protect any cash on hand… btw, who said we kept it “on hand” anyway…………..

      pray for the best, prep for the worst

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      • Gadabout says:

        PANIC NOW, AVOID THE RUSH

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        • Anonymous says:

          That’s right, if you want to play directly into the hands of the communists and voluntarily give them a bank run on a silver platter so that they can step in at the height of the mayhem and take total control of the country, while painting themselves as the all-benevolent rescuers.

          Don’t any of you people have any background in Communist theory and tactics?? It’s all available at your local library for free. Lots and lots of reading material is available to familiarize yourselves with how communists operate. They haven’t changed their tactics or goals — just the titles they apply to their activities.

          Get with the program and educate yourselves so that you know when you’re being baited.

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          • John W. says:

            Just a short while ago you posted that it was alright with you if those with money lost it to the govt. since you did not have any. make up your mind. Where do you stand as to personal property?

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Good move, Preacher. No need to leave ourselves vulnerable to the sticky-fingered tyrants. At least not any more than necessary. Wife and I have held less than $100 in our bank for a couple of years. Just enough to keep acct active and allow her to cash our paychecks. Everything else is in tangible assets (not much of them, but they’re tangible)
        We opt not to have direct deposit. Instead, each payday, my employer loads my pay into an account with Comdata. I call her, she fills out a blank check from Comdata (to herself) and cashes it. Once it leaves my employers posession, our money is tied up in the system for no more than 30 minutes, then she has the cash in hand.
        Not a perfect system by any means, since things could crash during that half hour, or the boss’s electronic transfer system could stop working. But, until we fully unplug and go Amish, I guess it’s the best we can do…

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    48. clyde says:

      Ham radio is a must in my preps. I have been a Ham for 35 years. I would stay away from anything made in China. American, Japanese or German manufacture for reliability. Yeasu Icom or Kenwood. HF radio with general coverage receiver. I just looked on e-bay and you can have a nice set up for about 350.00.

      Hams, by their nature are preppers. Their motto is when “All else fails we get through” Look on the ARRL website and find a club close to you.They will provide all of the materials that you need to get started. Ask some questions. They dont look at you sideways when you say “just in case”, because that is what they do. Provide emergency communications when all else fails. They do an annual field day in June, where they practice operating in the field. They also have a weather spotter school if that is a concern in your area.
      Solar,generator, or whatever means they can get power. Find a club, mark the date on your calendar, and offer to provide the donuts and coffee.

      It was the original world wide web. As a kid, I spent many hours talking to people from all over the world. In a grid down situation, pandemic or whatever, you can find out what is going on by just listening. Almost all radios operate on 12 V so easy to power them. I will answer any questions that I can Feel free to ask

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        • clyde says:

          That is a great little rig. Has all of the features that you could ask for. I usually don’t recommend a tri-band just for the fact, if the radio goes down, you are off the air. That being said, Yeasu’s are great, and bullet proof. Its like anything else,the more you spend, the more whistles and bells it is likely to have. I would like to see everyone at least get a basic set up. Sure would be nice to have some contact with the outside world,in case you had to bug in for a long time. Imagine the world goes dark tomorrow, and you have no way to find out what is going on. No internet,no ipad,no smart phone.

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          • Eisenkreuz says:

            “I usually don’t recommend a tri-band just for the fact, if the radio goes down, you are off the air.”

            Can you explain this in greater detail, please? I just got my tech and I’m working on my general. Would be nice if we had a SHTF band plan.

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            • clyde says:

              I have an HF rig. A VHF ( 2 meter) and a UHF. All seperate that way if something happens to one band I can still get one of my buddies attention on another radio if need be. That radio in the link has all bands in one radio. It is cool and tiny but if it goes down and you dont have a back up then what.

              I also have a QRP, rig runs about 3 watts on CW (morse code) and I talk to my dad in WA every weekend. Runs on a 9 volt battery to a full wave dipole antenna. AS far as a band plan there are all kinds of emergency nets as well as just rag chewing hams. Get an HF rig and tune around on 80 meters and you will find out what I mean.

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        • John W. says:

          I have the Radio Amateurs Handbook from 1923. talk about seeing how far technology has advanced.

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      • BigB says:

        Hey Clyde, glad to see some one with radio knowledge on board. I have a Vertex Standard VX-454 UHF 400-470 Mhz older model. What makes this different than a base model? Also want to know more about antennas like the wire one and can I rig this up to my radio? If so does that mean I can broadcast farther or does it mean I can receive farther away? I bought this radio for talking to my off road race car buddies during a race and it works real good for that. I also have just scanned and listen in but the farthest I think I have heard from was from one coast to the other. Thanks for any info you have.

        BigB

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      • Dave B says:

        14 years ago when I worked for the city of Stockton, Ham radio was real popular. Now everyone relies on cell phones….big mistake. I might get a ham myself. I worked with a guy named Clyde who was went to the round ups etc. When everything (comm) is down… ham is up.

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        • clyde says:

          Jump in and get started. Hams are happy to help. Cell phone s and i pads only work if everything else does. Grid goes down due to whatever, and you are in the dark, with no way to communicate. At least I will be able to keep in touch with all of my family members. Get info from emergency responders and such.

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    49. De Oppresso Liber says:

      It is quite possible that someday we pay penalties to have money in the bank. I should say more penalties though. Interest on funds does not begin to keep up with inflation. Every time a new federal reserve note is printed it makes the one you have in the bank worth less. Same for your IRA, 401K, and SS. They take a little everyday, from our children, grandma – all of us.

      Top at Bragg advised to beware of false flag event. It is hard to believe what I see with my own eyes. It is like living in a movie, trying to be the good guy while most of the population is deceived. Wanting, wishing for the happy ending – I am more afraid of our President, his henchmen and those like him in congress than all of North Korea.

      De Oppresso Liber – I never thought we would be the oppressed.

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        De Oppresso, already been there and done that. Had a checking account in Mo. before I moved to the Mountains, so I just left it there, didn’t write any checks or for that matter pay much attention to my statements, had about $900 in the account, then I noticed they were charging me $3.50 per month. Long story short. Closed the account. Trekker Out. Get it while you can!

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    50. Templar says:

      If you want to get money from an IRA “early” without penalty, look into the 72(t) rule distributions. Google can find info for you.

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    51. marylander says:

      I would expect 90% fatalities in the first 60 days..It will be beyond anything thinkable. Anyone with medical issues, or old will be the first to go. Secondly,little kids,and very depend people will be next..Beyond that, all types of assults will be the thing most dreaded…armed robberies will be likely the less brash event. Snipers during the daytime hours will be a common even too. You will likely be off-grid so literally nothing but word of mouth will prevail. You can expect armed intrusions. Then you can expect to see the global police raiding your supplies and be carted off under arrest for owning a few boxes of oatmeal and dry milk. Nowhere in USA will be a safe hide out…The heat seeking drones will find us..Map our location and send a teams of “goons” to raid our location in the foothills of South Dakota…Self defense will only be a temporary thing as it would take many ready healthy men to defend a position together….Optimism would be in one of the southern islands of the Philippines…Or maybe northeast Queensland, Australia…for sure the locations globally will be very limited…We must remember that we will have no place to hide in western hemisphere …wrong place to be.. Europe will be worse as we see already

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      • Paranoid says:

        NO; get a grip, laws of thermodynamics apply to politics also. They cannot and will not, send a tank battalion to confiscate you Wheaties in Montana. Or cop cars to raid your apartment for Twinkies in New York. They will have way to much to do, it isn’t profitable. Keep your mouth shut and your head down. Will your next door neighbor, yes. The New York Cops already refuse to send out a cop for a robbery less than $2-3,000. Look at TV news, when they do raid something they use 10 cars and forty guys. When it got ugly, all the cops in S Cal were after one guy, there are millions of us.

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    52. SmokinOkie says:

      Today’s News Headlines

      Justin Bieber was traveling in Germany and his pet monkey was quarrantined. The agency, I think it was the Ministry Of Loony American Pop Stars And their Primates, decided to hold the monkey for observation. Bieber himself, was given a banana and sent on his way. The next day, an embarrasesd Ministry Spokesman explained, “We made a horrible mistake. We thought he was travelling with Lady Gaga.”

      Obama’s popularity continues to slip. Latest polls show his approval rating at 47%. The White House has responded by announcing that an additional 3% of Americans will immediately be added to the food stamp rolls.

      A prostitute in Zimbabwe, presumed dead, aparrently came back to life and leaped from her coffin. Shocked bystanders fled in fear. One local citizen remarked, “It seems the most morally bankrupt among us have found a way to cheat death.” There’s a raging debate over whether that’s true, but 16 aged and ailing US Congressmen have flown to Zimbabwe to find out for sure.

      In a shocking video, a Planned Parenthood official argues for parents to have the right to ‘post-birth abortion.’ The next question would be: How long after birth can the ‘abortion’ be done? At first glance, that seems outrageous, but I’m withholding opinion on it til we learn the exact age of the official.

      Well, this sounds fair enough to me- Texas is demanding it’s gold from the feds. Washington isn’t willing to deliver. Government officials, who likely don’t have any gold to fork over, have said “Why not take some of these lovely bonds and t-bills instead? They’re just as good.” Texas sent a furious response to the offer, “Next winter, looks for some heating oil certificates. They’ll be right there in the pipeline where the actual oil used to be. Don’t worry, they’re just as good.”

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      • Ugly says:

        Smokin….Thanks for the update on Justin Beiber. I had to cancel subscriptions to National Enquirer and People Magazine due to economy.

        Haven’t heard much from Bobby Sherman, David Cassidy, or Donny Osmond lately.

        Question to the men: If stranded on a island from shipwreck….Who to choose stranded with: Ginger, or Mary Ann?

        Ugly chooses Mary Ann….She is now in Idaho about 70 minutes from Pocatello, area called Driggs.

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    53. JayJay says:

      “Next winter, look for some heating oil certificates. They’ll be right there in the pipeline where the actual oil used to be. Don’t worry, they’re just as good.”

      Now that’s funny…!!!

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    54. Bahamas are really nice at this time of year, plenty of fish, good people, some uninhabited islands…

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    55. Be informed says:

      I would like to discuss the true dangers of North Korea in regards to biology attacks in a little more detail and why we all need to be worried. AND we all need to be fully prepared at home with what we need so we don’t have to expose ourselves trying to purchase what we don’t have at home while some super panademic is going on. This of course includes WHEN nature does it without any help from humans.

      First of all because North Korea is so secretive a simple one or two person bio-attack would be extremely difficult to trace to whom released it. The U.S. and other countries will absolutely blame someone and that could be North Korea, Iran, Syria, China, or many others including the mad bio-scientist that decided humanity was too sick to continue. This gives any country hell bent on taking out most of the world the advantage of spreading a very contagious virus anywhere and then blaming someone else, even nature on it. It is difficult to trace and would the U.S. nuke North Korea or someone else while the entire world is sick and dying?

      It is is extremely easy for a terrorist or a foreign enemy to spread a doomsday virus, obtaining the virus is the problem. North Korea could have ONE person or a few individuals do this in any crowd. A frightening book to read talks about this: “Living Terrors, What America Needs to Know to Survive the Coming bioterrorist Catastrophe”, by Michael T Osterholm, Ph.D, M.P.H. and John Schwartz.

      A fictional story in this book talks about a ex-Soviet worker at Vector bio-weapons plant in the USSR and how he immigrated over to the U.S. and brought with him a tiny portion of the smallpox virus in a ballpoint pen hollowed out to keep it contained. The story goes on how he was able to incubate and grow it in regular chicken eggs. It goes into how this one nut made a miniaturize battery operate atomizer (micro-aerosolizer) that would continuously spray a very extremely fine mist of the smallpox witch’s brew in a gaseous state until it was exhausted of its fluid. This psycho wanted money for this and was paid to attack Chicago’s Water Tower Place during the before Christmas sales. He attaches this to near an air circulation unit, leaves it and comes back a couple of days later and trashes the empty unit. About 2 weeks later tens of thousands have smallpox and the virus spreads all over the country and world thereafter.

      Some agent from North Korea could do the same thing, or some muslim terrorist working for North Korea. Someone could simply have a similar device that sprays this type of gaseous fluid from something a lot worse than smallpox. They would not have to place such an object anywhere, they could literally walk around in crowd after crowd and have a much more sophisticated unit that releases this through the fabrics of many types of clothes. The old saying that certain clothes breathe would be that type. Would it be visible, such a fine mist? Probably not. All the thug working for North Korea would have to do is simply visit high density crowds and person after person would be contaminated later to become ill and further contaminate the entire population.

      This is hardly science fiction, as the mere fact that such an event was written in a top selling book means that this type of scenario is already all the drawing board for a country like North Korea that has almost every bio-weapon known to man and wants to destroy their “enemy”. Would Porky in North Korea consider such an attack? Absolutely, because Porky would think he could get away with it. Porky would even sacrifice many of his own people catching it to show the world that his country is a victim also.

      This is why when they talk about North Korea launching some ICBM with an EMP device destined to hit the U.S. I say maybe, but probably not. When I think of a super secret hermit country launching a bio-attack that is difficult to trace back to them, to destroy the world’s civilization that has “all” turned on North Korea, I say absolutely possible if not likely. IF North Korea is attacked I would almost certainly say that days later all sorts of strange sickenesses are going to pop up all over the place. As a prepper/survivalist this is something that MUST be considered and planned for by avoiding exposure to others at all cost, especially if war does break out on the Korean Peninsula.

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      • OutWest says:

        Be informed
        We can’t expect less from such a sociopathic nation.
        The North Koreans would march straight into the jaws
        of hell if it would stroke their ego a bit to do so.
        Their people are willing to starve for the “cause” of
        the “Butterball turkey with a head” that leads them.

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      • clyde says:

        BI

        Spot on, great piece on realistic scenarios. NK and Syria have been “allies” for many years. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that the Syrians have the largest bio-weapons stockpile in the world. Im pretty sure they would have shared that information, but not certain. I watched the MSM news, and the talking heads never mentioned once the threat that little round ball may have some nasty things in his arsenal. Maybe he sold some of the nuclear material to the muslim terrorist for a dirty bomb ?? Lots of different ways for this to play out, but Im with you, keep your eyes on this crazy situation.

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      • kynase says:

        BI…You are spot on. The fact that we haven’t seen a chimera of biologics raise its ugly head does not mean it does not exist. There are so many nasties out there that most people are not aware of that could easily be weaponized (hell, have been weaponized).

        Not only could a handful of well placed, infected persons do the trick, but our water supply is unbelievably vulnerable to pathological invasion, especially on the viral/RNA/prion level.

        The problem is there is no solid place to go online to get straight facts about outbreaks compliments of MSM only reporting when they are given info, which could be days or weeks after the fact. I would put a 90% certainty that if a biologic is released, we won’t be told shit until it is well underway. USAMRID, CDC and numerous other institutions are all under govt control and I would put a 90% certainty that if a biologic is released, we won’t be told shit until it is well underway.

        If a biologic is on the horizon, I would encourage everyone to get masks, nitrile gloves, bleach, and ethyl alcohol….then avoid contact with outside people at all costs at the onset. Remember, most pathogens have an incubation period in which the person is asymptomatic but extremely contagious. Bleach, alcohol and fire are effective for most pathogens, not all. All of your preps are worth nothing, if you don’t have the basics of first aid.

        Be safe…and happy Easter to all.

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    56. Steve Bullock Freemason a NWO Zionist Schill says:

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      • Karma says:

        Sometimes people do things that cannot be undone. It’s usually something the person thinks is small, but it’s heaped on top of so many other things, it’s the straw that tumbled the tower.

        And that’s when things are over…permanently. The door is closed and locked. Don’t knock on it again.

        May we both get exactly what we deserve.

        Karma

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    58. Chantilly Lady says:

      Don’t know if anyone has posted this yet– been outta pocket due to the kiddo with a severe allergic reaction to an OTC medication this week..

      http://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf

      This is so many words says that depositors– aka unsecured creditors, will have to take a loss along with shareholders in the event of a bank going under the US..

      Its coming folks– as the document says they’ve basically stuck it to taxpayers all they can…

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      • Eisenkreuz says:

        Can you give the page numbers of interest? Thanks.

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      • JustOneGyu says:

        Howdy CL,

        Sorry to hear about that ‘reaction’…hope it’s all well.

        Those who have abasic grasp of what’s been going on in th world at lasrge are getting MIGHTY nervous about what we’ve been seeing of late to be sure. Has ANYONE here have suggested – as little a s year ago, seriously – that any such as you mention was going to COME here they’d have been laughed off the board – not so much as a ‘chuckle’ now. This is not going to ‘improve’…THAT’S not the ‘game plan’ here folks. If you would like to get a preview of what’s coming see the post below…at the page bottom…

        JOG

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      • Taxpayers should have all the government protections afforded to other minorities.

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    59. delamare says:

      Hey, does anyone know how secure the fed government TSPs are? Some of my guys are deeply invested in their TSPs for their retirement.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Regardless what Uncle Sam has for investments like T Bills your going to get your money. The problem is what value does the money have when you get it? There lay the problem and everyone is looking for an investment vehicle to keep up with inflation / currency devaluation. Even if an investment supposedly tracks the CPI the inputs into the official inflation rate are cherry picked so the output is obviously inaccurate.

        Good luck finding something and if you come up with some ideas please share them.

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      • Paranoid says:

        EXACTLY as safe as all the rest. You think they can default on 50 million people on food stamps, or 11 M on disability, or Social Sec, or whatever and still do TSP? Don’t be stupid; it’s ALL good until it isn’t; then it’s all bad. If the Gov goes bad; no stock, bond, bill or cash is worth anything. How can it be any other way? It’s all just printed.

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      • Smokey says:

        It’s as safe as all the other savings accounts in this country.

        I’m taking a distribution now, month by month, just to get it out of the fund where the gov’t can’t touch it.

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    60. Be informed says:

      @ Don’t Tread. There is so much pressure built up right now on the southern San Andreas that WHEN it snaps there will be absolutely no time for most anyone to make an exodus until after the shaking stops. I really feel that when the southern end goes so with it the central part, meaning a 8.1-8.4. IF this jumps the creep zone to the north and most if not all of the faults breaks, close to a 9.0. The Cascadia fault will follow if it has not already broken. Most people will have no chance of getting to a safe place east of california and will likely be set up into horrible refuge type FEMA camps in the desert regions of southern California. Others will fight for escape from LA type condtions.

      Same conditions in the New Madrid fault zones as most cities throughout the regions are linked by bridges that will become rubble in the old Mississippi River. Likely most people will remain and die where they were during the start of the shaking unless they have some serious survival training and the means to bug out to a safer location. Those that have taken precautions to be ready for some serious shaking to their home and has lots of supplies and good self defense will fare much, much better and probably make it.

      It sure feels like the end times mainly because of not just one SIGN, but many. The planet and the solar system goes through cycles as durango kidd has many times mentioned. The mere fact that so many different events are unfolding together is something that by mere chance does not really happen too often. You have not just the earthquakes, but increases in vulcanism, the war footing of so much of the world, the economy sucks, the population has exploded to over 7 billion and resources are being depleted rapidly (especially food and clean water), the very way people are behaving and the decay of society and civilization as a whole, space and the solar system with the increase of comets and meteorites, and other minor indications.

      What is so interesting to me is that only 1% see fit to prepare for this, and the other masses are even more buried in the sand than ever before. I mean growing up that number of people preparing was at least 10-30% as I can’t really remember the exact number, but people took prepping seriously. Now people just know that nothing is going to happen. They really believe this with little left that their minds have, that nothing bad enough is going to happen that will not be fully recoverable by their friend the government. Just the stupidity of so much the of the population should be an indication of end times as stupid people don’t live too long.

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    61. Watchman says:

      Just one little part from RUSSIA’S KGB Massive Play Book.

      To change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

      It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow, and it is divided in four basic stages. The first one being demoralization. It takes from 15-20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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      • Anonymous says:

        Righto you are! A perfect example of demoralizing our students are these high school “projects” in which the students must, as a graduation requirement, design and implement a community service project. So many of the students now come from homes that value neither education nor community volunteering that most of them are unhappy about being forced to “be nice” and work without pay. It makes them one thing and one thing only: cynical and demoralized. As it turns out, this community service nonsense in just re-warmed, one hundred year old socialism. The students learn nothing from it, they resent having to do it, they see it as childish, they manipulate it and expoit it to look good for colleges, and some even use it to steal donations made to their “projects.”

        Sincere volunteerism and altruism comes from one source and one source only: the family. If the family values giving back to the community, then the child learns it from the parents and continues it as a value and tradition with their own future families.

        Socialism has permeated our school system to such a degree that there is no longer effective learning of reading, writing, and arithmetic taking place. There are classroom parties taking the place of learning phonetics and the alphabet in the lower grades, along with classroom and all-school movies being shown on an almost weekly basis. How can any learning take place when the available time is spent on entertaining, disciplinary problems, teaching experiments, self-esteem building, and environmental field trips to pick up other people’s garbage?

        The schools have replaced parents to such a degree that the schools now feed, entertain, watch over, console, counsel, and babysit students virtually from the time the child makes their way to school until they drag home long after traditional “supper” time. This phenomenon is unhealthy, destructive of the family unit, and destructive of our free society as a whole. In other words, precisely what the KGB hopes to achieve.

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    62. JayJay says:

      Well, BI, I took my canned goods in mason jars off the new shelving and put them back in their cardboard boxes–on the closet floor– against walls– and stacked only 3 high.
      Easier than building a riser around the new shelving.
      Not as easy to get to, but minus the glass and food mess if we survive a Madrid earthquake.
      Have a nice Resurrection day, everyone.

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        • Nazi Hunter says:

          Now we see why you won’t survive the first week of SHTF. Every time you approach your neighbors about prepping, they’re all, like “Um, gee, no, we’d rather not wear those swastika armbands; they’re just not our thing, you know? Aryans are the real victims? Uh, no, that’s all right, we gave at the office, see ya!” (Then they slowly back away…)

          Then, when SHTF, and they’re all huddled together considering what to do now: “Say, wasn’t that Nazi freak down the road always going on about how he was prepping against the day when Zoglomites or whatever the hell he called ‘em were coming to take his stuff? I bet that guy’s sitting on a huge hoard of supplies that he has no intention of sharing. It’s him or us, right? And we never liked him anyway for being such a racist nutbag, did we? Let’s go sneak up on him–he can’t stay awake all the time–and take him out. Then there’ll be one less Nazi in the world, and we’ll all live another day, and we can use his place as a guest house for your relatives who’re on their way here.”

          Then, since you really are as hateful and un-neighborly as they claim and therefore completely isolated, there’ll be no one to rescue you or even avenge you when they all break into your house and stab you to death in your bed and chop up your corpse and feed it to their pets because there’s no point in letting all that free meat go to waste just because they’re not cannibals. Just to rub it in further, they’ll get away with murdering you because nobody likes you anyway, and you’ll be stewing in your hatred in Hell for all eternity because Jew-hatred is and always was a displacement of God-hatred and therefore you’re no Christian whatever you pretend and God doesn’t like you either.

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          • free wee willy ;0P says: