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    It’s Only a Matter of Time Before the Bombs Start Dropping

    Mac Slavo
    November 9th, 2011
    SHTFplan.com
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    Up until this week the nuclear ambitions of Iran were purported to be for peaceful energy purposes, despite protests from the United States and Israel that the program had more sinister goals.

    If a new report from the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is to be believed, Iran is, in fact, attempting to build nuclear weapons:

    The U.N. atomic agency said for the first time Tuesday that Iran is suspected of conducting secret experiments whose sole purpose is the development of nuclear arms, an assessment that draws on 1,000 pages of intelligence and nearly a decade of research.

    The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency is its most unequivocal yet suggesting that Iran is using the cover of a peaceful nuclear program to produce atomic weaponry. Based on years of trying to probe Tehran’s secretive activities, its release will stoke debate on whether it’s time to jettison failed diplomatic efforts to end Iran’s nuclear defiance and replace them with force.

    “While some of the activities identified in the annex have civilian as well as military applications, others are specific to nuclear weapons,” the report said.

    Among these were indications that Iran has conducted high explosives testing and detonator development to set off a nuclear charge, as well as computer modeling of a core of a nuclear warhead. The report also cited preparatory work for a nuclear weapons test, and development of a nuclear payload for Iran’s Shahab 3 intermediate range missile — a weapon that can reach Israel.

    Source: AP

    It’s also quite possible that such a payload could be deployed at another target: The United States. According to reports, Iran is capable of building between four and six nuclear weapons which, in the grand scheme of things would limit the potential destruction. But if they are, in fact, capable of producing the bomb now, then we suggest that the payload could do much more damage than commonly thought, especially considering that Iran has been working with the North Koreans on a miniaturized nuclear payload, which is a tell-tale sign of a weapon called the Super EMP (Electro Magnatic Pulse) Weapon:

    As suggested in the micro-documentary, what we’re talking about here is the end of the world as we know it. Deployed properly, a Super EMP is fully capable of taking down the entire power grid of the lower 48 states. This is probably the most serious threat we face from rogue nations and shadow terrorist organizations. How likely is it? We can’t really be sure, but if the Iranians do have a nuke mounted atop a Shahab-3 or other missile, would they be able to smuggle it close enough to the West Coast to launch it above the United States? We’d say yes, especially considering a alleged missile launch off the West Coast last year reportedly surprised our military and was not detected until it was too late to do anything about it.

    We are, of course, cautious and skeptical about any report from the United Nations, especially if it further inflames tensions between nations. However, one thing is perfectly clear – Iran is governed by psychopaths (and that’s not to say we’re governed by emotionally and psychologically stable individuals in the Western World) who would like nothing more than to see the rise of the 12th Imam as prophesied by Hadith texts.

    The 12th Imam, according to prophecy, will reign over a peaceful world, but only after several years of chaos and destruction. It is our belief that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a religious zealot who, if given the opportunity, would like to usher in the reign of the 12th Imam by being the harbinger of the destruction that precedes his arrival. A self fulfilling prophecy, if you will. The world has always been held hostage to the possibility that some nutcase would gain access to “the button.” Ahmadinejad may very well be that guy.

    This, of course, gives Israel and The United States every reason to launch a preemptive attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

    The Russians have warned that such an attack could have disastrous consequences:

    As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, any military strike against Iran would be a serious mistake fraught with unpredictable consequences.

    The only way to solve the issue is to resume talks between Iran and the six world powers, including the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany.

    Just as some analysts have warned, if Iran is targeted militarily, the already jumbled Middle East situation would become even harder to tackle, akin to pouring oil on the flames.

    If we do join Israel in attacking Iran, or even if Israel acts alone, what happens next? Will the Iranians back down, or will they launch a full scale counter attack with the assistance of Syria, et. al.?

    What we’re looking at here is the real possibility of a third World War, as it’s clear that the Chinese and Russians want nothing to do with any military aggression against the Iranians. Their response would be, as Mr. Lavrov said, “unpredictable.”

    We’re of the opinion that it is only a matter of time before Iran becomes a hot zone. The Israelis and the United States now have a pretext for war which is essentially sanctioned by the United Nations report. Diplomatic talks have done nothing (as far as we can tell) to change the tide over the last few years.

    If this goes down, and it looks like the Israelis are just itching to start dropping bombs, there’s a strong likelihood that our troops in Iraq may not make it home by President Obama’s Christmas deadline.

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    1. Rob says:

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      • Anti-Liberal says:

        C’mon…stop hiding under your antisemitism. Tell us what you REALLY think.

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        • MakeItHappen says:

          Why is it when someone talks bad about Israel they are being antisemitic??? We can talk about black people, white peole, Asians, middle easterns… but why not jews?? You CANNOT tell me that they are as crooked if not more than the American government. And WHY is the American government siding with Israel who basically stole Israel from the Palestinians?? Do your home work.. the REAL Israelites were very dark skinned…

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          • Thanks, Makeithappen…many still correlate the Jews/Zionists of today with the Biblical Jews…not so.

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          • Highlander says:

            So you side with Hitler. Lets remember that the UN divided Isreal and it included a Palistinian state…speaking of history and getting it right, it was the Arab powers that convinced them to leave not the Jews kicking them out and it was the Arab powers that attacked Israel. The Israelies are not the terrorist and all your holier then thou ranting will not change that. Your comments are not about the issue but just an oppertunity to show your true colors.

            Cruachan!

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            Probably because over six million Jews were slaughtered and the world stood by and watched it happen! And Israel is hated more than any other country in the world…even though we never hear of Jews blowing themselves up in crowds full of innocent people!

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        • ninaorket says:

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          • OhioJack says:

            Where can I go read about the “Real” history of this whole debate? I’ve been withdrawing from what I’ve been taught by my society since I became an adult a decade ago but this is one thing I haven’t quite dove into yet. The world I live in has made Israel out to be this poor country where everyone picks on them and they’re morally above it and have every right to defend themselves from the Arabs in that hell hole we call the middle east. So whats the real story?

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          • CarpenterBee73 says:

            OhioJack: Check out this website: http://www.bollyn.com/home
            Keep an open mind. Double-check, cross-reference, all that jazz.

            Here’s an article about 9-11, Israel, and Iran (“Solving 9/11 to End the Zionist War Plan for Iran”). Just food for thought. I haven’t read it yet, but I like Bollyn:
            http://www.bollyn.com/home#article_13330

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          • BraneFrees says:

            What a load of hateful garbage.

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          • Father John says:

            Now don’t forget to pray to your Zionist Jew God Jesus you fucking moron.

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        • CarpenterBee73 says:

          That’s the best you can up with, Anti-Liberal??
          Read up on Israel and stop being so ignorant. This is not about the innocent people of Isreal, it is about the terrorist Israel State.
          How can 38 SHTF Planners like this??!! I am dissapointed.

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      • European American says:

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        • Havok says:

          You are a moron.

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          • European American says:

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        • rainyday says:

          Yeah, you gotta hand it to those dirty Jews. They go strapping bombs on themselves and flying planes into towers killing thousands of people, not to mention the stoning of women and and homosexuals. Ya, those jews are just horrible. What we really need more of is sharia law right?
          Come on EA, stop drinking the cool aid!

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          • yental says:

            A full decade latter, mountains of contradictory evidence, and still some sheeple believe the government sanctioned MYTH of the events of 9/11. “If you see something say something”, and especially if it involves Saudi’s with boxcutters.

            No more diabolical, intelligent, mass murdering group on the planet. These “guys” should be ruling the world today. What THEY managed to pull off planning from piles of batshit in a cave somewhere is astounding.

            Rainyday, put down the “government” koolaid and try some unflouridated water for a while. Might CLEAR up whats left of your mind.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Rainyday: Actually, the fingerprints of the Mossad are all over the 911 terrorist attack on the WTC.

            shtfamerica.blogspot.com

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          • US Marines says:

            It was not Jews that flew the planes into the WTC buildings, those were E737 (Electronic Warfare Version of 737′s), modified under DOD/Boeing Contract in the late 80′s early 90′s.

            Dov Zakhiem (jew), was the CEO of CPS, the company that did the engineering/installation of the FTS modules that allow the E737′s to be remotley piloted.

            Dov was also the undersecretary of Defense (US Defense) and the DOD Comptoller that the 2.3 TRILION was discovered missing under. He was also responsible for sending HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars in military hardware to Isreal for pennies.

            you want to solve the worlds problems, get rid of:

            1) Isreal

            2) The Federal Reserve

            3) England’s Central Bank (which controls our Fed Res. and the ccentral banks throughout Europe)

            4) The IMF

            5) The US Federal Gov’t and ALL its criminal agencies.

            The US Federal Gov’t is NOT an American gov’t, it is an Enemy Force Of Occupation that has overthrown the American Gov’t thru the Banking System.

            The only way to fix America, is to admit the problem, get rid of the above, and put a Constitutional Government BACK into power here in America.

            Anything less is,…well,… to little,..to late.

            JD – US Marines – Specialty: Aircraft and Missile Systems

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          • European American says:

            Holy mother Jesus, US Marine, I agree with you. I just gave you two green thumbs…Mac gave me that special privilege, don’t tell anybody, though.

            And I stand corrected with any cheap shots I may have generated in your direction.

            Well I’ll be… calling a Spade a Spade.

            Did you hear that, everybody?

            TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS!

            PS FYI…It’s spelled “Israel”.

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          • ninaorket says:

            The drinker of Da’ CoolAid is you @rainyday… FUXABCCBSCNN News is owned by the jews dumbass… do your homework it was the imf cfr nwo banker bilderboybuggers , israeli jew massoud and american cia fbi and your own federal gov including the pentagon, prez bush and murdering dick cheney who bombed the twin towers 9/11! And if foreign powers and da’ Jews would leave the damn Towel Head sand nigga’s Alone instead of trying to steal their shit as they have for the last 100 years of colonialism and OpSec Black Ops and Wars, the towel heads wouldn’t be so extreme , calling for Jihads!

            And those EXTREME sharia back country Towel Heads are CIA American $$$ backed… so once again america is intentionally backing true animals for GREED!

            stupid phuck… it folks like you @rainyday who remind me of “why” abortion should stay legal!

            All one has to do is Compare the Ground Zero photos of 9/11 with the Fed building bombing in OkLAHOMA … AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WITH A NAKED EYE… all the support columns have been CUT diagnoly with a Explosive Charge!

            The same cut used to professionally DEMOLISH buildings!

            They are ALL FED CIA FBI Jew Massoud Black Ops Inside jobs MORON!

            phucking amazing, simply phucking amazing how many idiots beieve the bullshit they see on the T.V. everyday!

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          • TnAndy says:

            I don’t need any religious laws, sharia or kosher.

            And if you think the official story of some Arab looking guys actually DID 911, you’re a fool.

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          • rainyday says:

            man, some people really love thier conspiracy theories. Wow

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        • Thank you too, EA for your comment—I like to gather in the corner with the intellects and not rednecks.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Mother ship is looking for you.

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      • Havok says:

        Ok so you are saying that these guys, who have nukes and tons(literally) or arms, get attacked everyday by surrounding nations and dont wipe any of them out, are the terrorists?
        Wow.
        Moron.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          @ Havok

          Before you put your foot in your mouth again… who really is the “moron”?

          July 2, 1946: The Bombing of the King David Hotel masterminded by Menachem Begin, 91 dead
          http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

          April 9, 1948: Irgun and Stern Gang massacre 260 Arab civilians in Deir Yassin http://www.deiryassin.org

          Sept 17, 1948: Yitzhak Shamir’s Stern Gang assassinate Swedish peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte

          October 14-15, 1953: Ariel Sharon commands attack on Qibya, 42 homes destroyed, 60 civilians killed

          Holy Week 1954 Israelis desecrate Christian cemeteries in Haifa

          July 14, 1954: Israeli Army intelligence, Modin, firebombs civilian post office in Egypt

          1956 terrorist atrocity in Kafr Qasim, 47 cold-blooded murders

          1966, village of Sammu attacked, 18 dead, 100 wounded

          1967 USS Liberty attacked 34 sailors dead, 170 wounded — not civilians, but non-participants

          June 5, 1967, “In danger of being attacked” Israel launches war, 759 Israelis and 15,000 Arabs dead

          1969 Israeli bombing of school Bahdr al Baker, 75 children dead, 100 wounded

          March 1, 1970, Israel invades Lebanon, civilian death toll unknown

          Sept 8, 1972 Israeli bombing of Syrian and Lebanese civilians, “hundreds dead”

          1974: Israeli terrorists attack civilian aircraft; desecrate Christian shrines including Church of the Holy Sepulcher, stealing the diamond crown of the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary

          March 31, 1975 Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons by Chris McGreal, The Guardian, 5/24/2010
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

          Declassified: Israeli Government Offered to Sell Nuclear Weapons to South Africa
          http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/05/declassified-israeli-government-offered.html

          Zionist nuclear hypocrites are seeking sanctions and war against Iran, a nation that complies with the nuclear regulation

          1975-1980: numerous Mossad assassinations of Palestinian scientists, journalists, and others

          August 1982: 20,000 civilians dead from Israeli bombing of Beirut on the orders of Ariel Sharon

          plenty more…

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          • Dave says:

            Those are some great points in history that will never see the TV screen since “the chosen” pretty much rule that realm.
            Thanks to the net, we can also learn that the biggest holocaust was by Jewish communism in the Soviet Union.
            Thought up by Marx & Engles, cheered on and organized by Trotsky and funded by Jacob Schiff of Koehn Loeb bank in NY city with 40 million $ (that was real money then).
            That nightmare ended up killing about 20 million Christian’s, just don’t expect to see a movie by Steven “Spielberg” or Roman “Polanski” about that much greater, unembellished holocaust.

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          • yental says:

            @Dave
            The “holocaust” card is the exclusive domain of the Zionist agenda. That card has been permanently removed from EVERYONE else’s DECK. It is the ultimate anti-SEMITE joker in the Zionist Deck.

            The holocaust was a historical tragedy that defies understanding, reason, or adequate explanation. (Hitler would disagree, but I digress)

            IT does not constitute a “get-out-of-jail-free” card for the Zionist Agenda. Unfortunately, that is how the “card” is being “played” today.

            The involvement of Communist Jews you elude to is not on the Zionist agenda. And won’t be.

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          • Anonymous says:

            it’s worse than that, Dave.

            (1) It was not Marx, but his rabbi mentor Rabbi Moses Hess who theorized Communism. The rabbi explicitly stated that his intention for Communism was to destroy Christianity and Christian states.

            (2) In the USSR alone they killed 60.1 million:
            http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MEGA.HTM
            Almost all were Christians.

            The expanded second edition of Michael Hoffman’s “Judaism’s Strange Gods” was just published. It is well worth your reading to understand the hall of mirrors fabricated by the rabbis to deceive the goyim:
            http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2011/11/judaisms-strange-gods-has-been.html

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          • GV Ranch says:

            Excellent summary John Q. Public. More Americans are thankfully waking up to the truth about israel. AIPAC runs the US govt, the israelis constantly deceive us into wars, and this has GOT to stop. The israelis just keep pushing the envelope as if we’re not going to figure it out. They’re murderous psychopaths. USS Liberty. Lavon Affair. 9/11.

            Is it any wonder that history repeats over and over again…

            “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period . . . And the Zionists are playing this as truly an all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people ever realize what happened, they’re done.””

            -Dr Alan Sabrosky, March 2010 Alan Sabrosky is a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S. Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. He is listed in WHO’S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.). A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky’s teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          more…

          Easter 2011 Israeli TV mocks Crucifixion on Easter
          http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/04/24/israeli-tv-mocks-christ-crucifixion/

          June 5, 2011 Israelis gun down peaceful protestors, 20 killed, including a 12-year old boy, 220 wounded
          Israeli forces fire at ‘Naksa’ protesters
          http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/06/20116591150521659.html

          June 24, 2011 Israeli “Defense” soldiers shoot at Palestinian children flying kites
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IzQG9kcQsEs

          and this is just a partial listing.

          Yes, the “Chosen People” are the perpetrators of genocide and terrorism while they pose as always sinless innocent victims. As Jesus said, their father is the Father of Lies.

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          • John Q–I don’t see these Israelis as the chosen people–they have been infiltrated with the Zionists from other nations..there are not many Jews of biblical ancestry left/if any.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Have you been to Israel JJ. How many times. Have you traveled in their tiny country surrounded by countries that will never understand. Been invited in by Jewish family to have dinner. I didn’t think so.

            Have you blacked out your home windows and donned a gas mask while taking scud missiles and worrying about your baby because a gas mask doesn’t fit. Seen a real Palestinian riot throwing fuel cocktails because they want entitlements like dimtards here. Maroon.

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          • European American says:

            Right, Anonymous. How about travel to Israel and watch GENOCIDE taking place right now, this very minute. Palestinian society being methodically killed off in their OWN country. Go see it.

            You really think “scud” missiles are being fired by Palestinians?

            You’re sick, A, and a troll mole.

            Stay “anonymous”; it shows your true colors. The blood’s on your hands and will come back to you 10 fold!

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          • Anonymous says:

            The scuds came from Iraq you dim inbreed wanker. Have you ever been to Europe. Maroon. LOL

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        • John Q. Public says:

          @ Havok

          Before you put your foot in your mouth again… scroll down through the comments to see a partial list of Judeo-Zionist terorrism and genocide:

          http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/israel-increasingly-isolated-in-middle.html

          Yes, they are terrorists.

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        • ninaorket says:

          What amazes me is how many UP GREEN THUMBS this obviously poor Re-Tarded boy @havok is getting for his obvious cia fed fuxnews TROLL inspired comments… if these positive like checks are For Real… we as a Country truly are PHUCKED!

          Time to BUY MORE AMMO and DIG A BIGGER MASS GRAVE out back in da’ hollow! Me Think’s… ;0P pssszzt

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          • Father John says:

            Nina, fuck you and don’t forget to pray to that dirty Zionist Jew God on a stick when your breast cancer is terminal. Good bye Nina, Jewboy Jesus is sending you to a hot place for a long long time.

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      • Southern Trumpet says:

        In all the years that they have had them, they have never used them. Even when attacked, they still held back. Your argument does not hold.

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        • ninaorket says:

          They held back cause they know if they the JEWS attacked anyone with Nukes the ARAB MUSLIM world as One would Rise Up and CRUSH them!

          And the world over would stop payin the jews monies and they would loose global support period!

          Thereby ending the existance of ISRAEL!

          Southern Trumpet you and your SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER and AIPAC JEW BOYS all need to go back to ISRAEL where you f-ing belong!

          America is waking up to your Tricks and will soon be showing you all the way home to JewLand!

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          • Father John says:

            Only a fucking moron like you would pray to a Zionist JEW on a stick. Hey fuckface, Jesus is coming back to Jerusalem not to some raghead city. You stupid Catholic who prays to a Nazi Pope.

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      • Rob,
        Give me a break. I can’t think of one non-terrorist country that has been threatened by Israel.

        Go peddle your anti-semitism somewhere else. Yes, some of our international banksters are jews, but some of them are christians, etc. The jewish faith doesn’t advocate unbridled greed or aggession toward your neighbors. Let’s not saddle the jewish faith and the country of Israel with the evils perpetrated by a few bad apples. Timothy McVey (spelling?), the Oklahoma bomber, was a christian, should we now label all christians as domestic terrorists?

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      • Odd Questioner says:

        Reality Check:

        In a minor nuclear skirmish against Israel, Iran would end up eating literally hundreds of nukes from Israel, possibly a few dozen more from the US (by way of SLBMs and SRBMs launched from B-52s, B-1s, and B-2s), and would, in effect, cease to exist as a sovereign entity.

        If Iran tried to get stupid with an EMP over the US, the result would be as above, but with the addition of hundreds of (quite EMP-proof) US-delivered ICBM, SLBM, and SRBM warheads, and Iran would end up being a self-lit glass parking lot. The population would either be dead, or would sincerely wish they were. China wouldn’t do shit, mostly for fear of crashing their own economy (and soon after, their government). Russia wouldn’t do shit, because they’d be too busy trying to exploit the situation in their favor. The UK might grumble, but would quietly be aiming their own nuclear fleet at Iran just in case something is still moving there.

        So who does that leave to complain? France? Sheyah, right.

        Iran is smart enough to know this, and wouldn’t risk it. It’s one thing when you push the occasional nutcase to commit violent suicide in the name of religion… another entirely when the leadership itself is at risk of getting killed in the process.

        BTW – what the hell is this “Super EMP” thing anyway – a nuke with a cape on its back? Doesn’t matter how big or bolstered the thing is, the concept still works on line-of-sight, and would require the damned thing to be in *space* before one could take out the entire Continental US.

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        • Mal Reynolds says:

          OQ:

          Valid points all. Not sure Ahmadinejad ‘thinks’ logically, however. By all accounts, he’s out to bring on the 12th imam and apparently sowing chaos triggers this.

          On another note, maybe Iran sits on the technology and slowly develops a nuclear arsenal… the whole time giving small devices to terrorist organizations around the world. The nuclear genie is very close to being truly loosed on the world. And that should scare everyone.

          Cheers,
          Mal

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            Fortunately, Ahmadinejad doesn’t run the show – that cadre of mullahs behind him do, and by most indications, they tend to be a bit more pragmatic.

            The nuclear proliferation idea is totally valid, though any nuke that goes off can be identified in a hurry as to the source of its material. Anything that leads back to Iran would put Iran in the crosshairs.

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      • freeport56 says:

        More to the point do we want to held hostage by a Nation that supports terrorism. Rumor has it the US and UK are preparing to strike Iran as well from Diego Garcia! Turn them into Glass I say!

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        • yental says:

          Does that include “your” nation. A quick survey around the world might produce the response that America is the number ONE “terrorist” among civilian populations that have endured OUR fight to force OUR DEFINITION OF democracy and freedom down what is left of their “bloody throats”.

          How would you “welcome” someone that has “littered” your back yard with depleted, as well as undepleted, uranium ordinance.

          Please join me in a USA, USA, USA pep rally rant about the glorious cause WE now INFLICT everywhere WE go.

          Until the rest of the “sheeple” get off their diet of LAME-STREAM-MEDIA hay/propaganda, an intellectual, fact based discussion will remain the elusive “ghost” that it still is today.

          American, BANKSTER sponsored imperialism…..something all TRUE patriots should BLINDLY follow and worship.

          God save the King……….OBAMA!

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            “A quick survey around the world might produce the response that America is the number ONE “terrorist” among civilian populations that have endured OUR fight to force OUR DEFINITION OF democracy and freedom down what is left of their “bloody throats”.”

            Yeah, riiight. Nevermind that Europe is responsible for forcing nationalism on tribal regions. Nevermind that the nations of the Mideast were abused and ignored by the Colonial powers at the time for literal centuries. Nevermind that the whole Wahhabist movement (which spawned all this extremist garbage, up to and including 9/11) was formed in the 1920′s as a way to rebel against the spread of sins and moral perversions committed by the forced introduction of Colonial culture into tribal lands. And forget all about the continued financial abuses and arms sales that routinely come out of those bastions of non-interference like Germany, France, et al…

            But yeah, it’s all somehow America’s fault. Sure thing, champ. Oh, and while you’re talking about uranium, who is it that continues to perform open-air nuclear tests in the Pacific on a periodic basis? Oh, yeah, that’s France, but at least they’re not those nasty ol’ nekuturny Americans, right?

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          • European American says:

            I’ve come to the conclusion yental, that people either they “get it” and want to “keep it” or they “don’t get it” and they “never want it”.

            Strange as that seems, it seems to boil down to ‘how the ego’ can, or can not, adapt to change. How the Ego identifies with what it perceives as ‘friends’ and ‘enemies’ based on how weak the mind is to being overshadowed by “The Program”.

            Case in point.

            To illustrate I will use 2 great Forefathers of our country, two men who true “patriots” could not take offense with.

            There used to be a time when the USA was a great nation, perhaps the greatest nation in the history of the civilized world. But since its inception, and even before that great day, our forefathers knew who was dictating the orders to King George III, and it wasn’t his wife Charlotte. And those running the show behind the scenes were clearly understood to exist, hence:

            George Washington_
            “They work more effectively against us, than the enemy’s armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in… It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America.”

            Ben Franklin was even more frank, no pun intended:

            “I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
            In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
            For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
            If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
            If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
            Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.”

            So why don’t we read about these two quotes in our history books? Why were they left out? Better yet, who wrote our history books? Who published them?

            When one starts to travel deeper into the rabbit hole, sometimes, it can “shock” the system, i.e. The EGO!

            And people think they are preparing for collapse! How about collapse of the EGO!

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          • ninaorket says:

            @yental … ;0) hell yeah GET SOME! yOU NAILED IT!

            bottom line IS THE uNITED sTATES OF fACSIST aMERICA HAS been at war with the world since WW2!

            WW2 Created a POWER VACUM and the still intact United States IMF CFR BilderBoyBuggers Oliogarchy saw that they had Supreme Global Military Power , they had the world by the balls and decided to give em’ a squeeze all in the NAME OF GLOBAL BANKER DOMINATION!

            And America is IMF Bank of England GoldmanSachs Controlled!

            America is nothing more than a PUPPET of England Bankers Plain and simple!

            America’s Main Export / Business is DEATH the world Over … and Business is Good!

            America thrives on poor brown peoples misery – plain and simple!

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      • SSPXER says:

        No Kidding:

        How many countries has Iran invaded or bombed in the last 30 years?

        0?

        How about the same question to Israel?

        5?

        6?

        This country is in bad shape when anti-Zionism (Which every American should oppose) is equated with anti-Semitism.

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        • Odd Questioner says:

          “Zionism” is 99% myth that makes the tinfoil crinkle, but here’s the really fun part: Half of those ‘facts’ about it that folks are spewing around, even in this forum, were generated by the Mullah-happy crowd in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc.

          How does it feel to suck down propaganda, then regurgitate it?

          Not picking on you per se, though I find it funny that you say Israel invaded all of these countries, as if it were on a whim. Please, list these countries. When you’re done, you can then list how each of those wars actually started, but provide *verified* third-party references and cites.

          Meanwhile, can someone please explain why over 20% of Israel’s legal citizens are Arabic? I mean, if it’s this big, ugly Jewish conspiracy thing (cue ominous music), one would think they would have ‘cleansed’ the population of non-Jews from Israel by now, right? Notice I said “legal citizens”, as in, not Palestinians, refugees, not folks living in Gaza or the West Bank… but actual, in-country, voting Israelis.

          TBH, the past has bad action by all sides, including the massive fuck-up by certain British officials that perpetrated this whole mess in the first place.

          OTOH, there’s no big conspiracy to take over the world, and Al Jazeera is more respectful with the facts than some of the clowns in this forum are.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            “Meanwhile, can someone please explain why over 20% of Israel’s legal citizens are Arabic?”

            Yes, because the “Jews” killed and displaced the rest.

            In case you forgot, the region used to be 95% Arabic.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            Really? Prove it (and kindly do so without resorting to propaganda).

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Yes, start here in the comments section:

            http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/israel-increasingly-isolated-in-middle.html

            Many of the references are “Jewish” sources, so there is that bias/propaganda; “hasbara” they call it.

            There are plenty of other sources. That said, I bet you’d discount any source that is inconvenient to your bias.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            No, not comments… actual sources, not “he said” or “she said”.

            Sorry, but unless it’s verifiable, it’s not gonna count.

            I’ll help you out on my end:

            “Between December 1947 and March 1948, around 100,000 Palestinian Arabs fled. Among them were many from the higher and middle classes from the cities, who left voluntarily, expecting to return when the Arab states took control of the country.”

            -Benny Morris, ‘The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949′ Cambridge University Press.

            (note that this particular gent was heavily criticized in Israel as having too many Arab sympathies when he wrote the book).

            Other reasons usually involved a hatred towards the idea of living among a Jewish population.

            Certainly quite a few were expelled (usually after attempts to revolt), but certainly not all, as you assert.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Until the Judeo-Zionist terrorism of 1948 in Palestine 85% were Muslims, 11% Christian and 4% “Jews.” These percentages are fairly consistent from study to study.

            So, why 20% Arabic now? Murder and terror by “Jews.”

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        • Father John says:

          Hey Nina, get the fuck out of the USA and go live in a cave with the ragheads. Or better yet let your anger eat you up with cancer. And don’t forget to pray to that dirty zionist jew on a stick while your cancer eats you up slowly and painfully you POS.

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      • TheGuy says:

        Iran clearly does NOT have any sense.

        Yes they might be the event that take us off the world stage if they have an EMP.

        And in return they will be the worlds biggest, most radioactive parking lot. One of these results has some kind of a future. The other does not.

        If they spread out and harden their facilities we’ll simply glass the entire country. Don’t think for a second that if they EMP’d us our nuclear subs WOULDN’T do that.

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      • TheGuy says:

        Ever seen the old cold war target map of Russian strikes on North Dakota?

        It can absolutely be done.

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      • Gregory8 says:

        To Rob; a massive retaliation from whom, certainly not the Iranians. Isreal has more than 100 nukes to each one Iran has so Iran will be finished the minute they start a war. Isreal has plenty of fighter-bombers, missles, and submarines to destroy Iran completely. With Iran in ruins, there will be no one left to operate their nuclear facilities, make the bombs, or fire the missles with their warheads at anyone. China and Russia talk tough, but it’s just talk. Beside, neither one can afford a foreign war. And next year when Obama is losing badly in the polls to whom ever the Republican challenger is, he’ll see that “it’s in our national interest” to help Isreal stamp out this rouge nation that is treat to world peace. Nothing buys votes like a decisive military victory. 2012 is shaping up to be a real HOT year.

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      • FYI says:

        The elites are aware of the Internet is spreading like “AN AIRBORN VIRUS”.

        The truth has now emerged, and the only thing that can stop is EMP or going to WAR.

        This is the way they conquer the world.

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    2. Mr. Blutarsky says:

      Iran & Israel are going to be going at it real soon. I wonder which side the obama administration will take.

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      • Willie Wonka says:

        not Isreal’s…commies hate jews, that is the paradoxical legacy of Marx

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        • European American says:

          WIllie Wonka says “Commies hate Jews”.

          What do you think a Jewish Bolshevik is?

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        • John Q. Public says:

          Even as the genocide of 60+ million Christians was in progress, World Jewry was boasting that Communism was theirs. See Part 1, especially “JEWISH TESTIMONY,” at http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/ . Communism was expressly formulated by Rabbi Moses Hess, Marx’s mentor, to destroy Christianity and Christian states.

          Only when the horrifying body count became known did “the Jews” suddenly claim they had little or nothing to do with it.

          http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

          Chosen People (Gavril Princeps and his co-assassins) started World War 1.

          Chosen People (World Jewry’s 1934 declaration of war on Germany) started World War 2.

          Chosen People (genocidal Judeo-Zionism’s “neocons”) will start World War 3.

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          • MakeItHappen says:

            THANK YOU JOHN Q… No one wants to really tell it like it is especially when you give them facts… published facts!!

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          • European American says:

            Be careful JQP, many here don’t not want their box rattled. It’s a touchy subject. The brainwashing is complete. We can’t allow the reality of what you are posting to penetrate the Program. Does not compute. They would rather turn on you and “take you out” than to believe they’ve been hoodwinked all of these years.

            Imagine, though, when they finally come to grips with how they’ve been deceived and that the wonderful Zionist are actually out to rape, pillage and kill the goyim according to The Master Plan. Sadly, when that time comes, it will be too late. Talk about “collapse”!

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          • Sketch says:

            So – what you’re saying is that without religion – people wouldn’t be at war so much? I agree with that. so we end religion, we end (most) wars. good idea. I never read where jesus forced his beliefs on anyone anyway. It was more of a take it or leave it kind of thing – unlike the “christians” of today who try to legislate the hell out of everything – they’re no better than the other religious zealots, really.

            So JPQ, tell us more about this world without “religion”.

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          • Daisy says:

            Yeah, because published stuff is ALWAYS true.

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        • ninaorket says:

          ummmmm HELLO the Illegal Alien Cia Agent sitting as Prez of Amerika last XMASS 2010 celibrated Hannika with JEWS at the Whitehouse… barack Obumma / barry soetoro is BACKED BY 100% GOLDMANSACH a jew owned Bank! WTF! Amerika gave the Israeli Jews NUKES! Amerika Tax Goyim Debt Slaves give – GIVE da’ Jews in Israel 60 billion a year free just to keep the jews happy! 60 BILLION! OF YOUR MONEY!

          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST your Congress IS BOUGHT AND PAID for BRIDED by the Israeli Jews , lock stock and barrel!

          The US CONGRESS is JEW OwNED! WAKE the F UP! You are ALL nothing more than GOYIM DEBT SLAVES get IT!

          WALLSTREET is BANkRupt, AMERIKA is BANKRUPT , EUROPE is BANKRUPT!

          All Iran is a Distraction! Thats it! sigh…

          @Mr. Blutarsky the saddest thing to me is that “Out of the Millions of Sperm that your daddy tried to impregnate your mother with, it was YOUR little spermy that fertilized the egg!”

          you must be from Montana or West Virginia, I hear ALOT OF INBREEDING goes on there.

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      • Beefcake says:

        Muslims stick together like pages of a used up Hustler magazine.

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      • anonymous says:

        Depends on which side of speaking mouth with the door closed.

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      • European American says:

        Obama is owned and operated by the Zionist Jews, even if he is a Muslim, and his administration is or has been predominately ZIonist Jews. His VP said “I am a Zionist.”

        …and you are wondering what?

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      • Plain Old American says:

        The mendacious, Manchurian, muslim from Mombassa?

        Who knows?

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      • carynverell says:

        could that possibly be the reason for bringing all troops home? to take our eyes off of what might actually be happening or planned to take place. something is up and it stinks to high heaven too.

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        • Odd Questioner says:

          Not exactly – you forget there’s still a big ol’ pile of troops over on the other side of Iran (Afghanistan)…

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          • ninaorket says:

            and 300,000 american merc’s and hilary death dealer clintons state department private army all living in the Green Zone and Worlds Largest Fortified Embassy in Iraq!

            the only thing that has changed in Iraq is the Uniforms… we are there for the next 60 years Period!

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    3. Kevin2 says:

      The problem is trust.

      Of course Iran possessing a nuclear weapon and therefore not long after that a deliverable weapon changes the power dynamics in a region that needs stability. The possibility of Iran “loosing” a nuke and terrorists finding it is a major concern.

      The US unfortunately has been less then truthful when reporting threats. Maybe they are crying wolf and it’s nothing more then fulfilling a globalist agenda then again it might be for real.

      Regardless what the reasons are it’s out of our control. The question is what is likely to happen in the event of such an attack on Iran?

      1. I suspect defense stocks to climb rapidly
      2. I suspect oil to spike dramatically
      3. I suspect the world economy already fragile to decline even more.
      4. I suspect the USD to strengthen because we will be the “safe haven”.
      5. I suspect gold to go up 20% in short order

      What are your predictions?

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      • Anonymous says:

        obama and comrades won’t do anything to help Isreal, in fact, they may take Iran’s side. This will be the real test as to whether the U.S. Military is going to step in and stomp these clowns in this administration.

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          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          They USA was looted and USA debt is owned by the “Jewish” banksters and their “international” financiers. Do you really think they will allow their goyim “footstools” to stand down?

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          • John Q. Public and every other anti-semite out there,
            Other than the propaganda that you read, do you guys really know why “Jews” have been hated.
            1. It was Jews that killed Jesus 2000 years ago. Since very few Christians actually obey his teachings and fulfill the 1st Commandment to “love your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul”, I wouldn’t get too uppity about the fact that Jews killed him.
            2. The Nazis hated the Jews because of # 1 above and because the Jews being more educated than the rest of the German Joe Sixpacks actually knew how to make money when the Germans hyper-inflated their currency in the 1920′s. They bought gold, stocks, and foreign exchange and sold their depreciating marks. German Joe Sixpack didn’t have a clue what to do and lost his butt. So, the German Jews became rich, which caused Joe Sixpack to hate and envy them. So we have German Joe Sixpack, being too ignorant to understand what was happening with his currency, getting all pissed off (demonstrating the sins of jealousy and envy) because the German Jew was smart enough to prosper. Gee that’s great. You hate me because I’m smarter than you?
            3. The original greedy banksters were the Rothschilds, who happened to be a Jewish. Big deal, Hitler was a Christian. Learn to hate the evil perpetrated by the man, not the religion that he happened to be born into.

            This same situation of hating those that are richer and better prepared will happen here in America when SHTF. The preppers who have gold/silver, guns, food, etc. will be hated by the Golden Horde, who were too stupid and self-absorbed to prepare.

            Long story short, quit the anti-semitism until you can learn a little REAL history, not propaganda. If you can’t stop hating, at least hate only the individual bad apples, not an entire race of people. As for me, I will continue to support the Jewish people and Israel because they are God’s chosen people. If GOD is OK with them, then so am I.

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          • European American says:

            @ T

            Do you know what a “ZIONIST” IS? Do you know what a “ZIONIST JEW” IS? If you can’t answer those two questions, then how would you know what an “anti semite” is.

            You’re the one that has been brainwashed. And you go right ahead and support the Nazi Zionists “CHOSEN” people. You’ll take that to your grave…metaphorically and literally.

            (And to think someone would actually believe God would choose one “race”, “Ethnic” group, over another. The quintessence of the dark side of religious brainwashing.)

            PS, Go to Israel “T” and work for your master. See how long it takes you to come to your senses. LOL

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ “T”

            GIven your apparent ineptitude comprehending a few paragraphs here, I sincerely doubt your ability to understand, much less pontificate upon history.

            I have criticized a hypocritical genocidal creed and criticized hypocritical terrorist behavior. I have not advised hate or retribution. My only hope here it that people stop being suckered into being economic or military slaves for them and their agenda.

            As for your claim that they are “God’s chosen people,” GOD says differently in His Bible. Start with a few of the passages I have already posted.

            They WERE chosen for the birth of Our Lord, but GOD—not me—says in HIS Bible that they voided the Mosaic Covenant, killed their Messiah, rejected the New Covenant, and are “the adversaries to all men” 1 Thessalonians 2:15 and “the synagogue of Satan, those who SAY they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE.” Apocalypse 3:9
            http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=59&ch=2&l=15#x
            http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=3&l=9#x

            As for me, I’ll take God’s Word over yours.

            anti-Semitism
            noun
            anything “the Jews” hate
            DERIVATIVES
            anti-Semite noun
            anti-Semitic adjective

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ T

            I suppose that “German Joe Six Pack” didn’t notice that Judeo-Communists had killed MILLIONS in their pre-WWW2 revolutions. Especially they didn’t notice the 1918 Judeo-Communist revolution in BAVARIA or the 1934 DECLARATION OF WAR by World Jewry upon GERMANY. “German Joe Six Pack” probably didn’t notice that Lord Rothschild, a “Jewish” bankster, funded England’s war against GERMANY in 1917.

            No, you are probably right, “German Joe Six Pack” was just jealous and didn’t have any legitimate beef. “German Joe Six Pack” didn’t care at all about the MILLIONS killed by “a few bad apples.”

            http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
            See Part 1, especially “JEWISH TESTIMONY,” at http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

            You are so smart. Thanks for the history lesson.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ T

            I suppose that “German Joe Six Pack” didn’t notice that Judeo-Communists had killed MILLIONS in their pre-WW2 revolutions. Especially they didn’t notice the 1918 Judeo-Communist revolution in BAVARIA or the 1934 DECLARATION OF WAR by World Jewry upon GERMANY. “German Joe Six Pack” probably didn’t notice that Lord Rothschild, a “Jewish” bankster, funded England’s war against GERMANY in 1917.

            No, you are probably right, “German Joe Six Pack” was just jealous and didn’t have any legitimate beef. “German Joe Six Pack” didn’t care at all about the MILLIONS killed by “a few bad apples.”

            http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
            See Part 1, especially “JEWISH TESTIMONY,” at http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

            You are so smart. Thanks for the history lesson.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            “It was Jews that killed Jesus 2000 years ago.”

            Yeshua of Nazareth was an observant Jew. In Judea. He was executed by Romans on order of Pilate at the urging of the Sanhedrin.

            Given the environment, who else would have executed him, the French? :) Personally the whole “Christ-Killer” argument is drop-stupid in light of simple logic.

            #2 is a very good analysis.

            #3, yup.

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        • ninaorket says:

          @Anonymous I do hope you don’t breed!

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    4. Hal Muller says:

      Operation Opera 30 years ago was an Israeli attack on an Iraqi nuclear facility not an Iranian one.

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    5. Beefcake says:

      I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

      -Albert Einstein

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    6. Some day a city will go away. Some day we’ll wish we did more to protect our city.

      ….that’s why I don’t live in the city.

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    7. G-man says:

      The Saudis have already granted Israel overflight permission. the US has already supplied the deep penetrator weapons. Both the US and Israel have had enhanced EMP weps for years, and we have them on cruise missiles. Israelis probably do to, and they would use those first to take out the gird in Iran. The Russians fear an attack because of the destabilization following an attack. Hordes of Iranians would head for the nearest “civilization”. The Saudis, the Kuwaitis, the UAE, Bahrain – all want Iran to get whacked down to size. They can’t stand the Shia.

      Load up on guns, gold, gas, and solar chargers.

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    8. Old Fuzzy says:

      Don’t believe the MSM. The Iranians are not crazy or stupid. The Mullahs are as corrupt as our politicians. They have substantial bank accounts stashed away. Even the Generals of the Revolutionary Guards are corrupt businessmen. They are selling the Iranian govt. products made at the Generals own factories. If you want to worry about nukes, point your worry at Pakistan.

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      • The Old Coach says:

        True ‘dat. Since Iran sells aq lot of crude oil, the usual ploy is to keep the tensions as high as possible, which elevates the price.

        Now that India has nuke capability, I don’t worry about the Pakis so much. Remember that to India, Pakistanis are invaders. While Islam was pillaging the Mediterranean, it was also pillaging northern India.

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      • Tom says:

        Yes and our Congress believes in insider trading.

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      • RoAl says:

        Logically they must have corruption in high places since they havemt renounced the fiat money system yet. Or are they decieved too?

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    9. let’s try this another way…

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/08/ohio-voters-vote-to-opt-out-health-care-mandate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20foxnews/politics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29#ixzz1dAkNoYmQ

      Off topic: just add http:// to link

      Ohio voters vote to opt out of healthcare mandate

      Come on states??? Where do you stand?? Join the smart states.

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    10. I’d say Iran could and would use the weapon, if developed.

      I do not agree that Israel is terroristic nor irrational. However, they are surrounded by enemies and have had to fight for the existence since conception in the late ’40′s.

      Biblically it would be stupid to NOT support Israel.

      I’m only one guy with opinions and I try not to be imposing. I do try to be openminded.

      So enlighten me on a several of things:

      1. Why consider Israel a terrorist?

      2. From a previous article, why is Cain called KKK Cain?

      That’s all.

      BEEFCAKE, I believe you are right on brother/sister, Albert was right.

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      • yental says:

        The palestinians in Gaza could probably answer #1 for you. And what has emerged as credible connections to the Mossad and activities of 9/11 could further that definition as well. (IMO) I won’t delve extensively into the Rothschild controlled nonFederal Reserve system.

        I don’t extend the “biblical reference” of Israel and Jews to include the Zionist factions that are currently “piloting” Israel in all the wrong directions.

        There are plenty of “Jews” both in Israel and America that disdain the “Zionist” movement as well.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        @ Terry W. Reed

        You’ve been listening too much of John Hagee’s bootlicking Judas ilk. Stupid not to support counterfeit Israel? (see Apocalypse 3:9 http://www.drbo.org/chapter/73003.htm )

        “I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee, and in thee shall all the kindred of the earth be blessed” Genesis 12:3
        http://www.drbo.org/chapter/01012.htm

        God made this covenant with Abram when he was a GENTILE.

        Notwithstanding errant exegesis by Protestant dispensationalists and “Christian” Zionists, God was not speaking to or about Jewish people because there was NO Jewish nation—Abram, not yet Abraham, was still a GENTILE and God was speaking to Abram alone.

        St. Paul affirms in Galatians 3:6-8 that God’s covenant with Abram, later Abraham, was made to him as a GENTILE:

        “As it is written: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing, that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
        http://www.drbo.org/chapter/55003.htm

        St. Paul further elaborates on the justification of and covenant with Abraham before he was a Jew in Romans chapter 4. http://www.drbo.org/chapter/52004.htm

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        • DRD5508 says:

          Go get’em John Q Public. Not many of us trully understand what you have presented (biblically). You are in the minority and those that gave a thumbs down can’t comprehend what you’ve quoted/presented. Word of encouragement to you, I’m with you and have been correcting Hagee’s errors to many, as well as his statement ” and if you don’t accept pre trib, it is from the pit of hell”.
          Main problem- God forgot to seek Hagee’s opinion or Hagee isn’t listening to Him.

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          • Does this count?
            Hosea 3: 4-5….For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without idol.
            Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David their King.
            They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings IN THE LAST DAYS.

            (doesn’t sound like God’s blessings to me)

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          • John Q. Public says:

            The Israelites are threatened with destruction for their impiety and idolatry.

            “For they shall sow wind, and reap a whirlwind, there is no standing stalk in it, the bud shall yield no meal; and if it should yield, strangers shall eat it.” Osee 8:7
            http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=33&ch=8&l=7#x

            @ DRD5508

            God will bless you for doing His work.

            The synagogue of Satan has sown wind and will reap a whirlwind.

            Unfortunately, even the just will suffer in the chastisement to some.

            It is coming.

            “Let your loins be girt, and lamps burning in your hands.” Luke 12:35
            http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=12&l=35#x

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          • John Q. Public says:

            typo: “…chastisement to come.”

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      • Odd Questioner says:

        “Mark you this, Bassanio,
        The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
        An evil soul producing holy witness
        Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
        A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
        O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

        -William Shakespeare
        The Merchant of Venice, Act 1, Scene 3.

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    11. yental says:

      The “behind closed doors” deal between Israel and Iran is about to signed in blood. This all boils down to raising the price of oil by a minimum factor of 3 – 5 times where it is now. Lots of speculation on Oil futures from our Israeli “buddies” in the past weeks.

      And yes, Iran has some nukes on those 10′s of thousands of silkworm missles aimed at the “narrows” and good ole USA fleet.

      The reasons for wars never change. Follow the money.

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      • yental says:

        “Israel’s financial sponsors (House of Rothschild, City of London et al.) have already bet the farm on the price of oil futures rising above $120/barrel December 1st from the current spot price of $81-89/barrel; they cannot void those futures contracts, currently there are no buyers at that price.

        An Attack Will Skyrocket Oil Prices and Collapse Economies”.

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    12. ~~~It is our belief that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a religious zealot who, if given the opportunity, would like to usher in the reign of the 12th Imam by being the harbinger of the destruction that precedes his arrival.~~~
      1) who is ‘our’??
      2) are there ‘those’ who’d like ‘us’ to believe these facts
      3) I’m more worried about the ‘nutcase’ in the oval office than Ahmadinejad

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      • And 4)is anyone here really that confindent in a U.N. ‘report’ not having a secret agenda???

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      • yental says:

        Precisely. Benny NitWitYahoo is as big a “religious zealot” as Imanutjob in Iran. Possibly a bigger nutjob. Throw Obimbo into the mix, and this theatrical presentation is simply waiting on the “curtain” to raise so the “performance” can BEGIN!

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    13. I T says:

      This is PURE IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE.

      The Chinese and Russians have no part to play in this ideological nightmare, so they are completely safe.

      It’s no wonder that so many Americans, like the eminent Jim Rogers, have already moved themselves and their families to China.

      Fraudulent international banksters want to keep us distracted with looking for an enemy, since they control the US government.

      Essentially, this is an ideological TRAP. That’s how they can justify getting TARP funds in bailout cash, while also keeping the people distracted with this TRAP.

      Americans and Israelis should remember the religious tolerance of Cyrus, and vigorously remind Iran about him too, since they obviously seem to have forgotten the importance of that historical figure.

      What would you rather have? A nuclear catastrophe or the shedding of ideology intended to control, delude, deceive, and destroy everyone?

      The ANSWER is clear: unadulterated hatred based in ideology only confines the smallest, most mediocre of minds.

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    14. anonymous says:

      I believe Israel would have attacked a long time ago if they had clear airspace to fly over Iraq with a tanker. That airspace will have a corridor the first of the year. A carrier in the PG would be first prize. A “sudden” change of leader would be more likely first. Opportunities will not go wasted but there will be many wasted.

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      • Navy Vet says:

        They’ve had clear air space ever since the USA took over Iraq. Of coarse that would have made us complicit in the attack, and we have enough of our own problems here and abroad.

        They also, IMHO, muffed a perfect opportunity, in August 2010, by not attacking the reactor before it was fueled, like they did in Iraq back in the 70′s. I really thought that they were going to do it then, and probably would have if anyone but barry was POTUS.. Now, attacking the reactor will spew radiation all over Iran; not that I care about them, but also Pakistan, probably India, Tibet, and possibly China, Bangladesh, and most of South East Asia, including Japan and South Korea. There will be hell to pay if they attack preemptively, but I would still not be surprised if they did.

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        • freeport56 says:

          POTUS denied Israel the right to fly over Iraq. Told the troops to shoot them down if they did it without permission. Besides Iran will look good as glass!

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    15. Church of the Mongolian Beef says:

      War…yeah man…it’s cool…war…yeah.

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    16. Old Fuzzy says:

      We are being taken on a journey we didn’t buy a ticket for. The train is moving too fast to jump off. Tuck your head between your legs and kiss your sweet ass goodby.

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    17. Justice100 says:

      Ahmadinejad is a religous zealot and believes it is his duty to usher in the 12th Imam. He must first destroy little satan (Israel) and then big satan ( U.S.) This has been known for quite some time now. Sanctions are a joke and Ahmadinejad laughs the hardest.

      Israel is in a most vulnerable positon now, they have been squashed into a corner, and must retaliate soon. If Israel does not take out Iran’s nuclear capabilitys, then we are all doomed. Will we stand by Israel? Hell no, not this admistration.

      True colors will be shown soon. Many in the world will weep for Iran but hate Israel. Israel will be destroyed after they save the U.S.. Riots, chaos, horror and misery for all. God bless Israel. I stand for Israel.

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    18. watchermax says:

      World wide, the unemployment stats for young men 24-35 yrs old is climbing above 45%. Normally this demographic group is the powerhouse asset for economic growth. I fear, that with no chance of gainful employment they will become an expendable asset. Nothing better than a good old fashioned rouge nation to point the expendables at. Question with boldness the reasons our govt will willingly sacrifice a generation of young men. (I see a bad moon arising)(CCR)

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    19. AKValmet30 says:

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      • Spook1989 says:

        AK, You say Israel had Christ murdered…no more than you & I…and the rest of you. He wasn’t murdered. He willingly died for our sins. He told us he lays down His life, and He took it up again. That was the plan all along.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          The rabbis say otherwise.

          Peter Schafer’s (Director of Judaic Studies at Princeton University) scholarship is impeccable and he has concluded that:

          “Finally, as to the [Torah] narratives about Jesus’ execution, the fate of his disciples, and Jesus’ punishment in hell, there can be no doubt that they are talking about Jesus/Jesus the Nazarene … One major result of our survey of the talmudic manuscripts was the finding that the Jesus passages abound in the manuscripts not only before the implementation of Christian censorship but even thereafter. This evidence strongly suggests that indeed Jesus of Nazareth is the original [subject] of our Bavli [Babylonian Talmud] stories and that the available manuscripts do reflect the earliest possible form of our stories.” (Jesus in the Talmud, Peter Schafer, pp.142-143, Princeton University Press)

          Schafer not only adduces the explicit references to Jesus of Nazareth, but he also traces the code words used in the Talmud editions expurgated and sanitized for Gentile consumption. Schafer traces from edition to tractate to folio how “Balaam,” “that man,” “the carpenter,” “ben Pandera” (son of Pandera), the blank spaces, and the rest of the code words refer to Jesus of Nazareth.

          So, as has so many times been demonstrated, Schafer shows the Talmud teaches that Jesus was a “mamzer” [bastard] conceived adulterously in “niddah” [menstrual filth] by a Roman soldier named Pandera [Kallah 51a] of a whore [Sanhedrin 106a] and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces and, in some editions because Jesus is accused of sexual perversion, semen [Gittin 57a]. Schafer documents much more, including the Talmud claim that the Sanhedrin justly executed Jesus because he was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a] who worshipped a brick [Sanhedrin 67a], even boasting that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the execution of Jesus [Sanhedrin 43a].

          This is not lost on the average Israeli:

          “You and your f@#king Jesus can kiss my a$%….We killed Jesus and we’re proud of it…” http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f

          “We killed Jesus and we’ll kill you too!” http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/18/hebron-day-06/

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        • highspeedloafer says:

          Right on Spook1989! He died for me.

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    20. Tony says:

      This is it folks. We are a few months away from catastrophe.

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    21. Tom says:

      We’re going to need a bigger boat.

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    22. Farm cat says:

      Bush should’ve taken out the nuclear capabilities of North Korea and Iran before he left office. Both countries are dangerous to us and our allies. Here’s where it gets interesting: Obama is unlikely to do anything to support Israel if they’re attacked. The Muslim nations must know that Obama won’t be elected to a second term. They have an historic opportunity to wipe Israel off the map without US interference. But it’s a short window of opportunity. Expect another mideast war before Obama leaves office.

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    23. Plain Old American says:

      Get some of that medical marijauna, a bottle of good whiskey, climb up on the roof and wait for the big bright flash….

      YEEEE HAAAAWWWWW

      No. Wait. I have to see if the Ducks play in the Rose Bowl this year. WW3 will just have to be postponed.

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    24. Fed Up says:

      I look at this political wrangling as a “show” at least to some extent when put in the context of understanding Iranian culture. Iranian culture dictates “showing strength” anything less is taboo, and this can be translated as willingness to use force or say they will to “keep face”.

      With the European Union up to its eyeballs in economic doo-doo and our own nation in basically the same boat, why wouldn’t TPTB want a very large distraction to draw attention away?

      This threat (assuming the report is to be believed) is yet another reason to take away more rights of american citizens in the name of national security. It is my opinion that if this actually comes to anything of substance, it will probably kick off WWIII. Then it will really get ugle here, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn’t happen.

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    25. MadMarkie says:

      War is GOOD for the business community, especially the defense contractors. Besides, we need a “diversion” to distract the ‘sheep’ from the shitty economic conditions facing them, present and future.

      The only thing that surprises me is that the political assholes haven’t figured out a way to get another good war started already. Iraq is winding down and Afghanistan id pretty limited in scope. We have ‘excess’ population that the governments would really like to get rid of. Holly crap; just think what WWIII would do for those unemployment #s!

      Pssst! Hey buddy; can I interest you in some War Bonds? Remember, it’s your patriotic duty to buy some. You don’t want to be considered “unAmerican”, now do you? Happy Days are almost here again!

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      • Kevin2 says:

        When your as broke as we are financing a war is destructive upon your economy. The UK is an example.

        It’s a misnomer that WWII pulled the US out of the depression. Achieving full employment is easy when you remove virtually every healthy male in their prime years from the labor force. Food, fuel and clothing was rationed and automobiles unavailable. The aftermath of WWII is what propelled the US economy with untouched industrial capacity supplying a war ravaged world.

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    26. Death N Taxes says:

      apparently a clandestine EMP attack against the lower 48 is SHTF’s “most-likely” scenario for a TEOTWAWKI event.

      All I can say is that extreme Muslims are like communists….they don’t care how many innocents have to suffer, starve and die (including their own people) so long as their grand ideas move forward.

      Better get your communications gear, quad-runners, dirt bikes, solar backup systems, sensitive electronics and generators under apprioriate shielding before this potentially catastrophic event takes place…

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    27. iowa says:

      Nostradamus say Iran will lead the Arab nations to invade Europe after Southern Europe floods. Just saying.

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    28. Rocket Man says:

      43 minutes to test for 2pm EST. Yea, we’re still here!

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    29. Death N Taxes says:

      If Iran did launch a nuke into Israel proper….they would kill hundreds of thousands of Muslim Israeli arabs, Palestinians, foreign workers and tourists, and the Muslim peoples from neighboring countries would be subject to an unprecedented refugee crisis and the lasting effects of radiation fallout.

      I believe a more plausible scenario would be for Iran to either EMP the United States and throw the entire world into a generation of economic disarray….or to successfully test the weapon, and then threaten to hit Ghawar or another vital oil supply point in Sunni-held territory and thereby make the world kiss Iran’s ass for peace.

      Hitting Israel could very-well cause as many casualties to neighboring muslim countries with populations who are tolerant / friendly with Iran as it would kill Jews.

      May God be on the side of Israel and America….love them or hate them the Jews are God’s chosen people upon whose history, culture and biblical laws our Christian faith emerged….without them there is no world.

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      • iowa says:

        There are 12 tribes of Israel. The other 10 live Northwest of Israel, Europe and America.

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        • Farm cat says:

          No, all 12 tribes are Jews. There are no lost 10 tribes. That’s a myth. Jews are mid-eastern peoples. Europeans aren’t mid-eastern peoples or Jews. That’s a myth.

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      • anonymous says:

        144,000

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      • yental says:

        Iran acquired a “number” of “nukes” from the Ukraine in 2003. If simply having one meant Iran would “use it”, wouldn’t “they” have done that by now? If Iran uses “nukes” it will be retalitory, not as initiation of the coming BANG!

        I understand that being critical of Israel will have you labeled an antisemite as being critical of Obama will have you labeled a racist. In my case, you would be wrong on both counts.

        The events that are about to transpire at the initiative of “Zionist factions” in Israel are based on facts that most people simply cannot/will not comprehend.

        The only thing this “war” will pre-empt is oil prices going down. The Russia/China factor that will emerge, especially if WE openly support this “lunacy” is beyond predictive calculations. But I predict it will be BAD!

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      • John Q. Public says:

        What utterly anti-Biblical nonsense.

        God chose the Israelites for the birth of the Messiah.
        They defected from the Mosaic Covenant, instigated the murder of their Messiah, rejected the New Covenant, and ever since then have been doing everything in their power to eradicate His Church AND TODAY’S CHOSEN PEOPLE.

        WHO ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE TODAY?

        1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Who in time past were not a people: but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.

        JUST AS JEREMIAS PROHESIED:

        “Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: Not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: the covenant which they made void, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord.” Jeremias 31:31-32

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        • Farm cat says:

          The Jews are still God’s chosen people. The promises made to Abraham have never been revoked. Israel is still in God’s plans.

          (Zec 12:9-10 NIV) On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. {10} “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

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          • Bastet says:

            I sometimes wonder if religious people realise how they sound to the rational people of the world who no longer believe in the ancient superstitions? It’s scary really. Wars are fought over imaginary gods. What a shame!

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ Farm Cat

            The prophesy of Zacharias concerns the New Jerusalem, namely the Church.

            http://www.drbo.org/chapter/43012.htm

            The only true Israel and true Jews TODAY are the Church, the New Jerusalem. The rest are those so clearly described by Jesus in Apocalypse 3:9.

            PS Do you remember what Jesus said to the rabbis about Zacharias?

            “That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.” Matthew 23:35
            http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=35#x

            Yeah, they killed him too!

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ Farm Cat

            Please read carefully.

            I never said the Abrahamic Covenant was revoked. The promise made to Abram the GENTILE, the Abrahamic Covenant, is fulfilled in the Church, in the New Covenant.

            In numerous verses God said the Mosaic Covenant was voided by the Israelites and, as He predicted through His prophet Jeremias, was fulfilled and superseded by the New Covenant.

            You can believe Jesus or you can believe the rabbis. Your choice.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            “Bastet says:
            November 9, 2011 at 6:41 pm
            I sometimes wonder if religious people realise how they sound to the rational people of the world…”

            …says the poster whose pseudonym is that of an Ancient Egyptian goddess…

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        • DRD5508 says:

          JQP; And if you are in Christ, you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise (Gal.3:29).

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Precisely so!

            “But you [addressing the Christians of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia] are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Who in time past were not a people: but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.” 1 Peter 2:9-10

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      • Spook1989 says:

        Muslims don’t care if they kill each other, or others, for that matter. Genesis 16 describes the type of people they will be. Focus on verse 12.

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    30. Scott says:

      These essays and remarks lead me to believe that it’s best to get out of the U.S. for awhile, if at all possible. Maybe for good, I’m not sure.

      Just like ancient Rome, America is making more enemies than she can possibly hope to survive.

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    31. Hammerun says:

      If you think of the beauty of an EMP, the absolute brilliance of it. If an EMP was detonated over the US we would be screwed. No deaths involved, no real property destroyed, just nothing electronic would work. And all they (whomever that is) would have to do is negotiate with Obama on how to enslave the entire US and not as much as firing a shot. What an easy way to knock over the last roadblock to their One World Government they want so badly, including 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
      …………Won’t this just be utopia?

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      • Gods Creation says:

        “And all they (whomever that is) would have to do is negotiate with Obama on how to enslave the entire US and not as much as firing a shot. ”

        The enslavement has already been accomplished, just the Sheeple are too stupid to comprehend it or stand up to it.

        Without a power grid, we would be unproductive and worthless to the money powers. They will come in and rebuild after we have all starved to death. At least, if we don’t get proactive and stop it.

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        • Yeah, I agree…but the EMP can’t obliterate 100% of this land/nation..and don’t we have ships around the world??? Armed ships??? Ready to defend ole USA???
          Just saying!

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      • John Q. Public says:

        Plenty of engineers and nuke techs have stated that experiments have shown the fears about the EMP phenomenon are overblown.

        I do not suggest that an EMP event would be as much an insignificant fizzle as Y2K—yes, a big problem, but unlikely to be TEOTWAWKI.

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    32. Gods Creation says:

      If I was Iran I would want to protect my people from the rogue US corp as well by obtaining a deterring weapon. Who can blame them?

      This whole report from the UN is just more BS trying to get the people here to support another unlawful war against innocent people whose government dares to stand against the banksters monopoly.

      I doubt anyone here buys it. Iran is no threat to us. It is only a threat to the Banksters.

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      • yental says:

        On target and right-between-the-eyes. Nice shooting!

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      • VRF says:

        +1

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      • rainyday says:

        “Iran is no threat to us.” Seriously. You are saying that a government led by radical islamists that openly talk about creating havoc to usher in thier messiah and call the US the Great Satan is no threat to us. I’m not saying the governments of the us and israel are innocent but lets try to stay realistic here!

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        • yental says:

          How about the “Christian Zionist” openly supporting the same agenda? They not only can’t wait, but openly support and defend the Zionist propaganda out of Israel’s Zionist leadership. But……..they are not crazy like the ISLAMIC guy, they are actively involved in “divine” labors to herald the return of “their version” of the SAME.

          Where did I leave my bottle of “anti-moron” pills?

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          • How about rainyday…ever heard of photo shop?? They have technology now that can put words in YOUR mouth on videos..have YOU standing in places you’ve never been on videos…hell, they even show us injured, disabled, amputated children harmed in war time…uh, that are decades old and also photoshopped.
            Israel’s Mossad taught our CIA well.

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      • Eagle eye says:

        Absolutely

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    33. I.................... says:

      It has been my guess since the day Obama announced total troop withdrawal from Iraq, that Iran was a rushed target. It was the rush out of Iraq and the bullshit excuse about liability that was a tip off to me that there was an ulterior motive.

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    34. RICH99 says:

      Boy o boy , the outlandish stories never end do they ? Hey its just a matter of time before pigs start flying too.

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    35. Dave says:

      “Achmedinajad is the nut”?
      Are you serious Mac?
      It is Israel who are the nuts determined to sucker the US into destroying Iran (who hasn’t invaded another nation in 200 years since they were Persia).
      Disarm israel of THEIR illegal, uninspected nukes.

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    36. I was just asking, I do not “listen” to whomever you referenced…

      Nobody answered my other question.

      Why were peeps on here calling Cain, “KKK” Cain?

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    37. rational says:

      darth vader

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    38. crash and burn says:

      more saber rattling….never happen.

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      • yental says:

        Might be “saber rattling” today, my money says you will be discussing the new “kinetic military action” with a potential nuclear tip by Thanksgiving dinner.

        Some top banksters gonna lose “bigtime” otherwise. And banksters don’t like to lose! They will lie, cheat, steal, and murder innocents to avoid “loses”.

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    39. Freedom!!! says:

      While the older Iranians hate us because of the Shah and the fact that America is a meddlesome beast, the younger Iranians have no grudge at all against the United States. Any “Iran has a bomb” news should be considered just another false flag, a completely ridiculous reason whose sole purpose is to redirect us from the economic difficulties facing the world. It is an ancient ploy used to control the masses by giving them a common enemy. I sincerely hope that we don’t fall for it yet again, and, personally, I find it very hypocritical that we condemn other countries for having the same weaponry/deterrents that we embrace in such large numbers.

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    40. Farm cat says:

      Pretty weird how all the Nazis came out with all their myths, lies, and half-truths. Israel is a democracy. They’re the good guys. The Muslims are our enemies and Israel’s enemies too. Israel is the only country in the world with armored school buses. Muslims hate Christians the same way they hate the Jews. Anybody who hates the Jews hates God too. The Bible is clear about those who hate the Jews:

      (Gen 12:3 NIV) I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

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    41. Lucky Chucky says:

      Hey Max, how about a story about the stupid people of Ohio who just handed the keys to the state over to the unions. What they voted for will drive out more regular jobs and people. Unemployment WILL soar and they will blame it on the GOP Gov. who fought against it, but it was done while he was in office. Pray for Ohio, but you better get out of there while you can. Thanks for All you do. LC

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    42. scott says:

      Mac you need to point your finger somewhere else besides Iran. Seems like your feeding into the propaganda.

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    43. Arkaden says:

      I’m moving to Jericho, KS. They don’t get targeted by anything other than crazy mercs that think they can loot whatever they want.

      Oh, wait, this article wasn’t the prequel to that show?

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    44. COF says:

      Let’s get this god dam thing started already! all my shit is gittin old.

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    45. Anonymous says:

      Human beings need to go back to living in the Stone Age they are not ready for technology yet. Way to many stupid people out there breeding and fucking up the the Earth. I really think that 60% of the worlds population in nothing more then parasites and feed off the rest of the population! A huge population die off would be the best thing to happen the human race sense the invention of the wheel.

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    46. Anonymous says:

      Oh C’mon.. It’s called killing two birds with one stones. Fucking WAKE UP America.

      The Jews are loaded the the teeth with nuclear bombs — they know it, Iran knows it, we all know it

      This is ALL a farce to build international opinion against Iran so the Jews can bomb them. ANNND even IF Iran had nuclear weapon cability.. GOOD FOR THEM!! With fucking Israel constantly going back on their word, thwarting the cease build, threatening and rattling their sabres…

      How SOOOO Convenient for the Jews this all works with perfect timing for THE WAR America needs to turn around the economy so the rich can continue to RAPE the poor and middle class. Eventually causing total collapse.

      After they bomb Iran into oblivion America will succumb to the Vampire sucking squid of the global elite.. then we break down — social unrest — martial law POLICE STATE. AmeriKKKa

      POWER TO IRAN!

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    47. idesofmarc says:

      Oh C’mon.. It’s called killing two birds with one stones. Fucking WAKE UP America.

      The Jews are loaded the the teeth with nuclear bombs — they know it, Iran knows it, we all know it

      This is ALL a farce to build international opinion against Iran so the Jews can bomb them. ANNND even IF Iran had nuclear weapon cability.. GOOD FOR THEM!! With fucking Israel constantly going back on their word, thwarting the cease build, threatening and rattling their sabres…

      How SOOOO Convenient for the Jews this all works with perfect timing for THE WAR America needs to turn around the economy so the rich can continue to RAPE the poor and middle class. Eventually causing total collapse.

      After they bomb Iran into oblivion America will succumb to the Vampire sucking squid of the global elite.. then we break down — social unrest — martial law POLICE STATE. AmeriKKKa

      POWER TO IRAN!

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      • Plain Old American says:

        “rich can continue to RAPE the poor and middle class”

        The so called poor been raping everybody that is productive ever since the drunken Texas Senator slithered into the White House.

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    48. Laughable says:

      Mac – this story is laughable. Completely! So what if Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb? Israel has them. Iran & Pakistan have them. Russia, China and the U.S. have them. This is more of the same “we have to bomb the hell out of Iran” propaganda.

      Mac – do you think a little weak man (Iran) would walk up a fortress full of strapping, fully armed men (U.S.) and stab one of the men with a knife or throw a rock at him, kwowing full well that if he did he would be blown to smithereens by a barrage of gunfire? This is exactly what you are suggesting Mac. The Iranians (I know a few) are not stupid. They are not cavemen. They know that if they did such a foolish thing, Iran would exist only a a memory, an afterthought.

      Is a false flag attack possible on the part of the U.S. or Isreal, blaming the dirty deed on Iran? Absolutely.

      Keep up the warmongering Mac. You are one of those who will be responsible for WW3 when it comes. And when WW3 does come, hopefully some of the countries that are doing the warmongering (U.S., Isreal) will get what’s coming to them.

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      • If what you took from this story is that I am a warmonger then you may have missed the point…. the point is, we’re going to war whether we like it or not…whether there is a reason or not… that’s all.

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        • yental says:

          A moment of sanity in the “asylum”. Thanks.

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        • Informed Truth says:

          Thank you for reporting this, Mac. As above, I believe it is pure ideological warfare. You are right – it seems as though there is no reason at all. It appears raw, unadulterated, and blind hatred requires no reason. Alas, the human condition of the mind is truly its own prison . . . . .

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        • eeder says:

          Mac, what is this all about? Your site is becoming a bit frightful. Im not sure what to0 think anymore, about anything… this world is just getting too disturbing. Cant we all just stop fighting.

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        • I’m glad to see you respond—where you been?
          I didn’t for one second get outa this article what many are over-reacting to—geeze!!!

          Thanks for all your daily info-laden input. Sincerely.

          JayJay

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      • machinist73 says:

        Laughable your comments are laughable, how do you figure mac is warmongering, he’s just telling the truth, I didn’t know that Mac had that kind of power to start WW3, you need to “troll” another site

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      • Daisy says:

        Laughable ~

        Excellent call on your user name!!! I think it’s perfect for you!

        If you consider Mac’s article to be warmongering, I have to wonder if English is your first language!!! Your understanding is clearly lacking.

        Habla Espanol?

        Parlez vouz Francais?

        Parli Italiano?

        ‘Kay.

        I give up.

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      • Claymation says:

        Laughable, sorry you see this article as warmongering. I read it and thought this scenario could be one of many possibilities and are you ready for it if it does happen. Many a weaker man/women have stood up to the larger and more powerful, be it persons or corps throughout history. If Iran thought it was righteous, I have no doubt they would strike if able. Could our own Government perpetrate a crime against its own citizens in the name of their own best interest, sure they could/would. The difference to the citizens left after such an event is to try try to discern between the two and not to immediately assume it was one or the other. I know many Iranians too. You are correct they are not stupid by any means. The unfortunate thing is that when governments go to war, all to often, its’ citizens end up being ride share hostages.

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    49. Hair Popping Sharp says:

      We’ll have an asteroid the size of Texas hit the Earth before WW3 happens.

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    50. ScoutMotto says:

      This entire scenario serves multiple purposes: The Rothschilds would love for the US to move in and install a Rothschild-controlled central bank. WW3 could do this with force if Iran does not cave in to the threats. It can also be used to declare martial law in the US (even though we have been under statutory national emergency since March 9, 1933). Once martial law is in place, anything goes for government.

      I don’t know that it will be used to “usher in the NWO” per se, but I beleive they will try. The Tower of Babel was attempted once before and was unsuccessful. I doubt a second attempt will be any more successful.

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    51. Let’s face facts: it is quite easy to smuggle even a large missile into the USA.

      “No”, you say?

      Consider this: smugglers routinely bring in TONS of cocaine and other drugs. What could a foreign power that has plenty of cash and resources smuggle in?

      Yep.

      There is also a reasonably good chance another country such as Russia or China or even Iran ALREADY has nuclear weapons stashed away in major US cities, transportation hubs, military complexes etc. Press a button and KABOOM. No need launch anything. Accuracy guaranteed.

      Sleep well my friends – and be sure your preps are in place as the government of the United States continues to piss off dozens of other countries. One of these days, one will bite back in a big way.

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      • They routinely smuggle because they have our government’s help to smuggle, and if the government decides it wants some type of weapon(s) smuggled in, they will be smuggled in or the Fibbies will provide it to whomever is stupid enough to be their patsy.

        Haven’t you ever wondered how one border can be so porous and the other not? Same length of land basically…rough terrain top and bottom of the US. Lots of immigrants in Canada too.

        Ever wondered why certain catastrophic but relatively small events are miraculously stopped, yet another huge event goes to its horrendous conclusion (Pearl Harbor, 9/11)? Something which logically should have been stopped way ahead of time?

        It’s all in their grand plan each and every time. There are no accidents.

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      • yental says:

        Also consider the fact that “a missle” size “nuke” is no longer the issue. Suitcase size tactical nukes are a fact. And when/if one goes off in an American city, the last place I will be looking to place blame is on the likes of Iran.

        Or muslim extremist, or any other propagandized “THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM AND LIFESTYLE”. I will be looking to blame the same “false flag” operators that have been MANIPULATING us for years.

        The “industrial military complex” is a continually growing BEAST with a continually insatiable appetite.

        The REAL EVIL we all face is already here. And THEY didn’t have to “sneak” across the border!

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        • disector says:

          They hate us because our goverment backs the Isrealis and they hate jews. We need to stay out of their business

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        • Fed Up says:

          Amen! And pass the gravey!!!!

          I just couldn’t think of anything inspiring to say how much I agree with this comment, so bad humor will have to do.

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        • ninaorket says:

          @yental good points again… it’s been repeatidly recorded and reported that the Israeli Embassy in ny city registers as “Nuclear Hot”… cointel ex cia agents claim that a suitcase nuke is stored there and it is that bombs nuke signature that can be picked up by radiation meters just outside the complexes wall and gate!

          the israeli jews are holding ny city hostage !!!

          look it up ya bunch of goyim debt slaves!

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    52. The Old Coach says:

      When does John Q. Public insert the entire text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on this forum?

      Mac, I’m disappointed that you haven’t banned that racist hatemonger yet.

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      • Giurza says:

        Good thing then that I was born in soviet union and now I know when to bite my tongue!
        thank you comrade commissar to remind me that one should thread carefully whenever discussing issues about Israel and USA support for Israel’s interests.

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      • ninaorket says:

        all info and input is valid @old cooch… and should be viewed to broaden ones view of the topic at hand, no matter how warped or misrepresentive of the topic!

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      • John Q. Public says:

        @ Old Coach

        I see that evidence makes the brainwashed.

        You can go back to your television.

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        • Plain Old American says:

          IMHO pretty much everyone here that claims to have the answers or knowledge about this group, that race or religion is “brainwashed” into the ideology that best suits their own particular point of view.

          Personally, I do not have the time nor the inclination to read each and every link and then find the (guaranteed to exist and be every bit as scholarly) information that effectively rebutts the initial postulation. Each person’s beliefs are a product of the empirical evidence that they have seen added to their life experiences, education and reasoning ability.

          All I can say is that some of the arguments made on this page are clearly possible, thought provoking and deserving of futher personal inquiry. Other arguments fail even the most cursory application of critical thinking and logic.

          Lotta sheeple pointing out the sheeple to the sheeple while calling others sheeple.

          It does seem that much of the “information” presented is done so more as a justification of blind hatred than as data worthy of investigation.

          I’ll pick and choose the links to follow up on and try to be open minded enough to learn something but not so open minded that my brain falls to the floor.

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    53. Hugh says:

      This article exemplfies how the Helgelican Dialetic works to steer the sheep toward a pre-determined goal long ago established by the PTB. What’s next on the predictive program Mac? Earthquake at the Madrid faultline?

      End the Fed! Anything else is a manufactured distraction.

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    54. Henry says:

      The “nations” will see, when Israel is destroyed, that Jesus did not come to their aid, as all the so-called “Christians” have been prophesying.

      Then they will realize that they have the “greenlight” to destroy all religion and bring about their Godless One World Government.

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    55. disector says:

      I try and leave one comment and the forum says I’m sending in to many responses. screw this. All religous freaks just go die. People are people. YOU are not right because the person that brain washed you when you were a kids says so!

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    56. Nice to see you guys use the vid from PJTV (or, in another posting, ZeroHedge). They do a great job.

      The issue is that the media and our educational system have been co-opted, which is exactly as was planned by the Dewey’s, the Frankfurt Schools, the Alinsky’s, and all the other evil of the world. By everyone circumventing the lamestream media, maybe we can finally get some traction back to constitutional gov’t.

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    57. Chris says:

      Fuck Israel, nothing good has come of our blind support of the Zionist regime. If they want to attack Iran let them deal with it themselves. As an active duty soldier, I can say that we have given enough of our own blood for their interests. Let Israel make their mistakes and get them out of our politics.

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    58. Dan says:

      I look at all the damage done to America and I always find a jew making money on it. The wars, the banks, the twin towers, ect… always a jew getting paid. Haven’t seen to many Arabs working for the banks or our corrupt government but there sure are a lot of jews. Damn my lying eyes.

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      • GV Ranch says:

        the classic road to riches for American Jews these days is making money pitting Christians against Muslims. Amazing how many fall for it.

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      • Plain Old American says:

        There’s also quite a few Jewish doctors. Might want to keep your opinions secret from any of them that might be participating in your next surgery.

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    59. POSSEE says:

      ahhh..Mac this nuclear argument is all wet..period !

      Nuclear weapons (in the grand scheme of weaponry) are obsolete and have been for over 40 years..it’s just another lame excuse to finalize the plan to destroy the last few holdouts not in play with the IMF/NWO/or whatever moniker you desire..

      1st was Iraq
      then Egypt
      then Libya
      next Iran
      then Syria..
      then all is in play..
      Afghanistan was strictly a procedural ploy to increase the flow of unaccounted cash available from the poppy fields..funny money for the intel community..

      Realize that every nation invaded/bombed created a perfect scenario for control/extraction (without the sovereign government in place for increased fees)of the nations resources..especially oil..or in Afghanistan’s position..trillions in untapped lithium..as well as the poppy crops.

      Iran poses no military threat despite their insane posturing, but does control a huge amount of oil..3rd largest?..

      Do the math Mac..

      as far as nukes..

      faggedabout it!

      Star Wars has been in place since before Reagan was prez..

      do some research with your sources..
      It’ll prove me correct..

      possee

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    60. Joerocker says:

      The Zionists and the Neo-Con’s are not friends of the American People.

      Why is our Troops in the middle east?

      cause the muslims “hate” our freedom? our freedom to fly without the TSA scumbags feeling up our American Families.

      RON PAUL 2012 !

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    61. Last Man Standing says:

      If this is true, then how dare the Irainians threaten world peace with their build up of four or five nuclear devices!! Don’t they know that the US, Israel, Britian and France, collectively have thousands of nuclear missiles that could wipe them off the map if they threaten us? Don’t they realize that collectively, we could park a couple dozen Carriers of their coast and pound them into the stone age? They only have a couple frigates and some old submarines. They better not buy or build any more little gunboats, because that is such a major threat to world peace!!!

      Don’t the Russians and Chinese realize that what’s happening in the Middle East with the Arab Spring, is that people are begging for our superior style of Democracy? And to deny people the same Freedoms and Rights that we enjoy in the US and in Europe is nothing short of shameful!! So by us freeing the Iranian people from their Dictators murderous Regime is a wonderful thing and China and Russia shouldn’t interfere with the March of Freedom!! How dare they threaten world peace with WAR!!!

      It’s time the governments of Israel, Britian and Europe and of the United States, stand up to these evil bullies. Bring back the Draft. We should mobilize 30 million plus Americans into the Army and Marines. And then take out these evil Dictators once and for all!!!

      Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, Venesuala, Cuba, Russia, China …… We gonna kick your asses back to the stone ages if you threaten us with your evilness!!! Our boys are willing to die in their thousands to stop you and safeguard our Freedom!! Even of we loose 10 million Americans fighting you, we’ll still win. Because we always do!!!! Hell, I bet every American and Brit and all our Allies would fight to the last man to maintain what’s right!!!

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    62. Eagle 71 says:

      Survival kit contents check. In them you’ll find:

      - one 45 caliber automatic,

      - two boxes of ammunition,

      - four days concentrated emergency rations,

      - one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills,

      - one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible,

      - one hundred dollars in rubles,

      - one hundred in gold,

      - nine packs of chewing gum,

      - one issue of prophylactics,

      - three lipsticks,

      - three pairs of nylon stockings.

      Shoot! A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff!

      -Major Kong

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    63. Frosty21 says:

      Ring arounnd the rosy.Pocket full of posy’s.Ash’s Ash’s we all fall down.

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      • Fed Up says:

        You do realize this childs song is a reference to the Black Plague, right?

        The large blackened swellings were often “ringed” with a rosy color; often the swellings themselves began a rosy color before they turned black (and often burst).

        Flowers and strong herbs were often used to try to cover the smell of the infection in living victims open wounds and the putrid smell of the decay of the dead.

        The ashes are a reference to “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” of all the people who were dying.

        Strange where some things begin.

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        • Frosty21 says:

          I was young in maybe first grade.When they had duck and cover under your desk in school,The teacher sang this song.Later in my life ,I thought it was like the red mushroom cloud with the round ring around it.The posy’s the flower to cover the smell of the dead.Ash’s where the fall out.And then all died,This was around 1968 or so.But thank you for this info Fed Up.Thank you.

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    64. PO'dpatriot says:

      “Its only a matter of time before the bombs start droping”….same thing I thought when I sprinted for the bathroom this morning.

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    65. durango kidd says:

      Before 2012 is over, I believe that Israel will attack Iran in a “surgical strike” on Iranian nuke sites saying it is “justified” to eliminate the threat of annihilation from Iran.

      This limited attack on Iranian nuke sites under this “justification” is intended to provoke a response from Iran on US forces in the Gulf.

      Once the US is attacked by Iran, the US has “justification” to eliminate all Iranian military capacity, in self defense of course.

      At the same time, Israel will unleash its neutron nukes on Hamas and Hezbellah who will have begun firing rockets, mortars, and missiles into Israel.

      Israel will proceed to eliminate Damascus, Beruit, and Amman Jordan, expand Israel, and occupy additional traditional Arab lands.

      Egypt will be similarly dispatched if Egypt joins the fray. More than likely it will refrain from participation in self defense.

      I do not believe this attack on Iran will come until the “freedom movement” in Syria has become more militant.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        You left out the part about the man of sin in the temple working lying wonders and what God will do to those who do not love the truth.

        http://www.drbo.org/chapter/60002.htm

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      • Big Mac says:

        It is truly sad how the people of Syria have been mangled, tortured, and murdered by the evil, sick-o police state over there. I hope their prayers are answered.

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        • Old Fuzzy says:

          It is a revolution financed by 100′s of millions of your tax dollars. But the killing of Yemeni people is okey? Your tax dollars pay for that too. What is the difference between the dead Syrians and the dead Yemeni? Nothing. Only the US government and MSM tell us one is ok the other is not.

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    66. Arkaden says:

      The only way the US avoids WW3 is a complete revolution here at home. And that will never happen because this country has turned to mindless sheep that care more about some celebrity wedding than they do about their future.

      99 red balloons…

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    67. Let THEM fight it out.THEM being Israel or whatever surrounding country.Let THEM die in battle,let THEM grieve,let THEM become disabled from war.Come on it will be fun to watch.Break out the party favorites and lets watch someone else die besides are countrymen.Thats what the Elites do,they get off on war.

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    68. don't argue with me! says:

      The real ‘beast” describe in the Bible is the “system’ ,camouflaged as Democracy, as the “angel of light” the “choosen people” an invention of “Zionuts”,nothing can describe the system and the alliance Judeo Christian and the neo-cons more accurate than the “Protocols of the sons of Zion”,the jews are arguing that no jew ever did write those protocols ..however it’s totally irrelevant as whoever did write that , because couldn’t be more exact in describing the behaviour and the tactics of the Jews since inmemorial times and their goals.
      USA using Israel to hold power in a region that is the engine of the World’s economy,the Jews using U.S.A. for
      their final goal,in the most twisted ways.
      The jews as recalcitrant hipocrytes mention the right of there real estate in God, and the promise land, when is the country that has more jews atheist per capita than any other in the World,God is the “Joker’ that they can use for their convinience.
      But all it’s writen and all will come to an end, Jews and the rest, like it or not.

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    69. Jackbootedhugs says:

      There are two things I can’t stand. 1. Those who are intolerant of other cultures. 2. The Dutch.

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    70. TheGuy says:

      Iran develops nuclear weapons, and the result is a bunch of anti-semitism and white guilt over the perceived wrongs of an outdated and defunct policy of “exceptionalism”.

      Really, whose side are you guys on?

      The next time I get attacked by a fucking religious dictatorship I’ll be sure to beat up my friends and commit suicide, following your example.

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    71. NMCB3 says:

      Scary shit.

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    72. thebronze says:

      The anti-Semitism in here is pretty disgusting.

      Hitler would be SO proud of you all…

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    73. Menotyou says:

      The sheeple have such short memories. Does any of this sound familiar? It’s the same damn thing as Iraq.

      Wake UP!!!!

      This is pure propaganda!

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    74. ninaorket says:

      one word…. “USS LIBERTY” naval vessal attack!

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

      prez johnson ordered the attack so america could go to war with egypt… he specifically ordered that the israeli jews Keep Attacking and Murdering american boys till the ship was sitting on the bottom of the sea! WTF?

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

      THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY FALSE FLAGS committed against american citizens, service men and women! By your own us fed government and israeli jews!

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    75. TheGuy says:

      First off, I’ve posted before that “exceptionalism” exists, in terms of our reserve currency status, our resources, and our military. This is a fact, similar to the fact that the sky is blue and water is wet.

      I do not advocate throwing some warped form of “moral and social exceptionalism” in ever other nation’s face. It’s a defunct policy. We have resources because they’re in the ground. We have nukes because we got there first. We have the world’s reserve currency because we got to the nukes first and ended World War 2 with them.

      While I may not support all these things, what do you think… that any other nation in our position would have acted any differently?

      Seriosuly? Yeah well, they would have. Read a history book. So first of all I’m not buying this whole “we’re morally wrong” shit. We’re as wrong as any other bunch of people. Which is, admittedly, quite so. But I mean, what are you looking for here?

      If we just bend over and be nice and let this fester, what do you think is going to happen? The poor oppressed freedom loving people of Iran are going to see our gesture of good will and just… I don’t know… just stop whatever it is they’re doing and be our buddies?

      They might pretend to do so but like any other group of humans, they will use that time to their advantage and come back and kick our ass or the asses of our allies.

      I could argue all day long that our bad choices on foreign policy led us here. Not 100% true but yes, it’s true we share a large part of the blame.

      Do better next time.

      Learn something.

      In the meantime, the time for debating how exactly we got here and why we’re so fucking evil is pretty much past. It got to the “past” state the second the UN report came back. Revisit it later when this is over with.

      You guys have never been in a fight, or fought for a cause, I take it.

      There comes a point where you pretty much take ideology and put it to bed, and you back up your people no matter if they started the fight or what. We’re there. Now.

      This is because if you don’t, they’re going to get the shit kicked out of them, and no amount of appeasement is going to stop it from happening.

      Is it right? Do I care? Not at present. Feel free to re-evaluate your position AFTER you’ve dealt with the situation.

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    76. TheGuy says:

      I’ll add, this is all true UNLESS you believe this to be a falsified report specifically designed to ellicit the kind of support I’m talking about.

      IF that’s the case then by all means don’t support it, you’ll only encourage more of the same tactic to be used to drum up support.

      The problem is, how can we know?

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      • The problem is, how can we know?

        History? Events of false flags on our side for decades??
        Follow the money?? Who gains in wars?? Corporate, manufacturers of war paraphenalia, corporate rebuilding what ours destroyed??
        Israel spends billions on defense; Americas spends trillions on defense…
        Any questions??

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    77. ninaorket says:

      TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Iranian legislative official revealed on Wednesday that the US, Israeli and British spy agencies have set up a number of bases in the neighboring states of Iran to conduct espionage and sabotage operations against the Islamic Republic.

      “Based on investigations, Mossad, CIA and MI6 spy agencies have set up spy bases on the borderlines of five neighboring countries (with Iran),” member of the parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Zohreh Elahian told FNA.

      “The bases are tasked with directing terrorist groups and even conducting sabotage and espionage operations against the Islamic Republic and its citizens,” she added.

      Once again it’s WE those who live in the Home of the Pussy’s and Baby Killers , getting ready to Kill even more innocent brown people / iranian women and children through genocidal deception / false flags!

      I’m an american and even i hate phucken americans! how phucked is that!

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    78. Prepping Preacher says:

      opinion, speculation and the like… truth is: Israel, for all she is and isn’t is still God’s Land and the descendants of the people He led there are still His People… what may seem to forget or disbelieve is that the Bible is still the Word of God and it is still true – every jot and tittle… all the things playing out now both there and on the world scene on the whole are tallied in His Book… the question is not IF they will play out but how quickly and is there a way to stave off the inevitable… best choice either way: side with God’s People and defend them and their land…

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      • What??? What is Iran??? What is Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan?? Just pieces left over and He just threw down and said there, here’s a shithole you can populate and when you’re bored or find a resource to steal , go destroy the land, families there, and their lives??
        You people make me sick with the chosen people crap—-God ‘chose’ all the land..I’M HIS PEOPLE!!!!!

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        • Note: Each day I try to think what I’m doing is not harming; think about what is on the receiving end of my actions.
          You evil here are talking in abstracts. Iran isn’t an abstract; it has people that by chance ONLY are there.
          That could be your leader or your country…you could walk outside and be bombed, pick up your child with legs blown off…it just requires a country to think of ‘us’ as abstracts; God knows we’re evil enough and through our leaders’ actions deserve it.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          @ Prepping Preacher

          You are a perfect ad against Protestantism.

          You have no grip whatsoever on the Davidic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, or the New Covenants, yet you presume to “preach” to others. You destroy the Word of God. God said the Israelites voided the Mosaic Covenant.

          Remember Jesus? “There is one who accuses you, Moses…” He said it in nearly 100 verses, but you just don’t get it.

          Every bonehead his own little Pope.

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      • yental says:

        “opinion, speculation and the like… truth is: Israel, for all she is and isn’t is still God’s Land and the descendants of the people He led there are still His People… what may seem to forget or disbelieve is that the Bible is still the Word of God and it is still true – every jot and tittle…”.

        If you are going to open your comment with “opinion and speculation and the like”, what qualifies “yours” to immediately transcend to “truth is”?

        How is it that a man-made compilation of cherry picked “scripture” and ancient text, agreed upon by a council of men then becomes by definition the WORD OF GOD? (Alot of ancient text apparently didn’t make the “final cut”)

        Do you have this image of “God” feverishly penning “His word”, then FED-Xing it to earth via “priority angel” with a cover letter that states: “The whole truth, nothing but the whole truth, so help Me, Myself?”

        While you are certainly entitled to “your opinion and speculation”, understand that others consider your apparent stance of “Israel right or wrong” to be as ignorant/potentially violent as the counter position of radical Islam. I am not an atheist, but also do not believe the various “versions” and interpretations of “the bible” to be as you describe: “is still true – every jot and tittle”.

        Keep prepping preacher.

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    79. CONOSUR says:

      IS ALL A BIG LIE!
      U.S. is the same story to invade countries,
      invest in weapons, indebted people
      and steal oil. They did it with Iraq and (there was no biological weapons).
      United States was in debt to international banks, while
      people to sacrifice to pay the chess game of military duty.
      The same was done with J.F.K. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING!

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    80. VRF says:

      Are police becoming militarized?

      you know the answer

      and where this is all headed

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    81. BierManVA says:

      After reading all the kooky comments on this thread, I am reminded of the four groups of people that I have absolute no time for in my life:

      1. 9/11 Truthers
      2. People who blame all the worlds problems on Jews
      3. Communists
      4. Radical Muslims

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    82. rachel says:

      an attack on Iran would only benefit Iran. Would not benefit Israel or the USA. It would make us look like bad guys whether they have nuclear weapons program or not. It doesn’t matter if Iran devlopes nukes or just energy programs. It simply doesn’t matter.

      Cause Iran is not occupying, invading or bullying around the world. They are not sending armies of young to die.

      Iran is in no way a threat to anyone. Never have been and the whole wide world knows this.

      So, it really doesn’t matter if they are in a weapons program or not. Actions of Isreal and the USA show the whole wide world who the bad guys are….and it is us.

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    83. Steve says:

      A few weeks ago, I hit an article which was linked to either the Ha’aretz or Jerusalem Post Online web news paper, and while reading the prodigious number of comments that were posted after the news article – I ran across a number of pants-pooping posts by jews in Israel, whereby they all were expressing their fear and worry over what was going to happen to Israel, once the majority of American gentile morons finally realized that Israel had engineered the false flag terror attacks on the USA on September 11, 2001.

      I found this exchange between jews in Israel to be quite fascinating, as well as highly illustrative as to the general awareness of just how psychopathic and mentally insane the leaders of Israel truly are, to have the gall to think that they could pull off such a treacherous act of terrorism against America and think that they could get away with it indefinitely.

      Its a small wonder that world jewry all seem to suffer from a collective sense of obsessive, chronic paranoia and devote so much of their time and energies whining about how the gentile world hates them and is secretly plotting to wipe them out. With their leadership pulling criminal acts like 9-11, murdering thousands of gentiles in order to trick the USA into fighting endless wars against the equally endless list of enemies of Israel, I can fully appreciate how most low level jews would be suffering from extreme paranoia and irritable bowel syndrome.

      Sooner or later, payback time is coming. And, it’s going to be very unpleasant.

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    84. adam says:

      2 strikes on an Israeli Nuclear Site – Israel will be history. 3 strikes and it is unimaginable. u, Israel, want to strike, be prepeared to be striked back. Suitcase Nukes OMG, think about it.

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    85. Old Fuzzy says:

      Is it good or bad for me that a foreign country has much more influence on my government than me? Why should I save Israel, when I can’t even save my own country? Many of us are still confused about how the government works. The US government is not our government. It is a seperate entity that controls us and our resources. Lobbyists and foreign governments can purchase influence and favors from the politicians. Since I have little money, I am only entitled to little or no influence.

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    86. CSBubba says:

      If this goes down, and it looks like the Israelis are just itching to start dropping bombs, there’s a strong likelihood that our troops in Iraq may not make it home by President Obama’s Christmas deadline.

      O’Dan never said “Troops are coming home” he said they will be leaving Iraq as of Dec 31st. which to me implies they are going somewhere else.

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    87. Echo KIA says:

      Most of you are probably fat, ignorant, inbreds. I would estimate at most a 10% rationale thought/message on this board.

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    88. ninaorket says:

      if YOU want to know the TRUTH of the middle east just watch this and open your eye’s to the truth…

      http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=16584

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    89. Saddam's Nukular Bombs says:

      As the nation in our sight changes, the narrative remains the same.

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    90. spiderella says:

      As a secular, non Israeli Jew, I absolutely detest the facist, racist regime in Israel. Yes, Israel is a terrorist state and will not rest until Iran is wiped off the face of the earth. Israel does not represent me or millions of people like me and to play the anti semitic card is oh so predicatable

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    91. ninaorket says:

      American veterans to tour Israel on Harley bikes

      Participants will visit military bases, honor fallen soldiers and deliver $0.5 million worth of medical supplies

      Ynetnews

      ;0P WTF… MEANWHILE homeless veterans are starving, freezin’ to death, livin in the gutter eating out of trash cans… commiting suicide and/or killing their wife and kids cause they can’t afford to eat no more or pay for the f-ing heat! ;0P WTF!?

      TALK ABOUT A NWO AIPAC JEW P.R. SNOWJOB… ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS!

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    92. Quince says:

      Iran doesn’t need nukes. All it needs to do is to scuttle a few well placed ships in the Straits of Hormuz. There you go, 40% of global oil supplies would not be able to move.

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    93. i, too, am disappointed.

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    94. turbodog says:

      For all you lovers of Israel. Do you think the U.S. blindly supporting that aparthied Zionist country may be a result of the fact that Jews own the Federal Reserve, almost all the media, and and have the most powerful lobby in Washington(AIPAC)?
      Just food for thought.

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      • GV Ranch says:

        I am amazed at how many people locally who I know, that consider themselves “plugged in” to what is happening politically, and they have NEVER HEARD OF AIPAC. Never heard of USS Liberty. They say they support Israel because their favorite (jewish) media talking head does.

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    95. Old Fuzzy says:

      The Iranians had a democracy back in the 1950′s. The US government overthrew that government and installed our puppet, the Shah. Then the US government aided and abetted the overthrow of the Shah, under Jimmy Carter. The Iranians seem to have the government that the US wants it to have. We are not in control of our government. They are in control of us.

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    96. turbodog says:

      If you support Israel and the Federal Reserve……
      you spit on the graves of Americas Founding Fathers.
      Oooh Rah!!

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    97. FYI says:

      The quest for world domination is real.

      This has been tried many times before in the 7th, 10th, 14th centuries.

      In the 14th century was known for death and wars. One of the voracious conquerors was Timur or Tamerlane, he had conquered Iran, Russia, lands East of Europe, Afghanistan but gradually lost it all because due to his small country was unable to control all these nations with his small number of people.

      Timur’s body was laid to rest in what is today called Uzbekistan.

      In 1941, although people said Timur did not want his tomb opened, but the Archeologist of the Soviet Union opened his tomb anyway and discovered that he was a very tall man.

      In the 21st century with today technology, a small country could conquer and control many other countries with little difficulty. For example, look who controls NATO ….. NEED I SAY?

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    98. Mardochee augustin says:

      Israel will not have to do nothing really. All they will do is fire a Jericho 2 ballistic missile at Iran to launch an EMP strike. That will cut off Iran’s electrical grid and bring the nation to its knees.I believe that is what Israel will do because a regular airstrike would do little to Iran’s nuclear sites(since most are deep underground) and the Iranian response would be too much for Israel and the US Persian Gulf presence to handle. So Israel will launch an EMP strike at Iran.

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    99. shitstormexpress says:

      I see the neo-con Christian zealots managed to turn this thread into a total shit storm. Typical.

      That’s one big problem with this country, psychotic Christians trying to bring about biblical prophecy by supporting Israel up to and including a global nuclear war.

      Insanity.

      Question Israel and you get called a nazi. Gee, I guess we should let them nuke whoever they want with the technology they stole from the U.S. (those spies were pardoned by some douche bag president a few years later, and they went home to Israel as heroes).

      Question insane fundamentalist Christian ideology and you get attacked.

      I have no sympathy for you insane Christian zealots that would drag America into WW3 to support Israel because of some ancient biblical prophecy. Insane Christians are just another reason that my PRIMARY SHTF prep is leaving the U.S. You puppets of Israel can vote for Romney and watch him Nuke Iran while your fiat dollars crash to zero and gas is $12 a gallon. I’ll be somewhere else drinking a beer saying, “I told you so.”

      Oh, and enjoy the Mexicans you’ve let over run your country. Another reason I’m calling it quits.

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    100. clem says:

      Answer this: What countries, in the last decade have not held a central bank?

      Those in power will not stop until we are all their slaves.

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    101. Michael Miles says:

      The USA cant be attacked with missiles.
      If one is fired it is detected right away and a laser will take it down immediately
      That is why they are not afraid to strike with nukes
      USA has weapons that will protect North America from all nuclear attack
      They only thing USA people have to fear is the USA government setting up a false flag event and nuking one of their own cities to get world approval to attack the middle east. I mean all of the middle east.
      The bombs that fall on USA soil will be made in USA
      That’s the honest truth

      The Government thinks we are just toys to play with.
      They are mistaken

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