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    Intent: A Free People “Should Have Sufficient Arms and Ammunition to Maintain a Status of Independence From Any Who Might Attempt to Abuse Them” (Video)

    Mac Slavo
    January 24th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
    George Washington

    We’ve all heard the argument from those who would disarm America that the Second Amendment is an archaic law that should be repealed, or at the very least re-written. They say that you should turn in your ‘militarized assault’ firearms because they are not necessary for sporting, hunting or personal defense. They tell us that the protections afforded by our right to bear arms are ambiguous and unnecessary in our modern-day society.

    But those who support dismantling our rights under the U.S. Constitution rarely cite our Founders’ reasoning for this fundamental law of the land – whether due to ignorance or because it doesn’t play into their ideologies of an all-knowing, benevolent centralized government.

    The following compendium of quotes from our Founders are so clear and succinct that even the most outspoken of gun grabbers would find it impossible to argue the original intent of this essential Constitutional Amendment.

    Via Infowars:

    “The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison, The Federalist, No. 46

    “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” 
– Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

    “Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense?” – Patrick Henry

    “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
    - George Washington

    Those who would supplant our right to bear arms – the one Amendment that makes it possible to ensure the authority of all the others – are no different than dictators like Stalin, Mao, and Hitler who are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people – all of whom had no means of defending themselves when the henchmen of tyranny kicked in their doors.

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    1. Satori says:

      wanna know how the NY gun law is gonna effect the average person ?

      Cuomo should be impeached

      http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/01/letter-re-new-york-gun-ban-teotwawki-is-here.html

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      • SterlingSilver says:

        This gun debate is starting to get hilariously out of control. Whats being spewed by the left is leaving me speechless…

        Until government can produce proof that for a specified duration (say 10 years) that not a single thug, criminal, thief, rapist, or murderer was ever a part of ANY swat team, Law enforcement agency, any branch of the military, or any code enforcement or within ANY federal, state, or local government bureaucracy, then we as Americans retain our right to defend ourselves with equivalent firepower. Once the possibility of all threats have been permanently removed during that decade, then we can have a discussion about their proposals

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        • 22winmag says:

          Reminds me of the time a recently laid off cop robbed a local bank with an AR-15.

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          • KY Mom says:

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            • Quite useful.

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            • Anonymous says:

              I consider your posting in this blog to be spam. It is completely off the topic being discussed, and is posted solely to benefit your self. What you are doing is a less than ethical way of getting free advertising. You know this; you knew it when you did it. Even if I was interested, I would go out of my way not to purchase anything from you or from the people who manufacture this product, and I will probably now contact them and also the people who sponsor this website, tell them about you using their blog for spam, and will ask them to ban you and delete all your posts. Please delete your posts and don’t do it again or I will follow through on my proposal.

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              • KY Mom says:

                Anonymous,

                I have no connection to these solar ovens at all. Even if only for a few days, the price of $249 is much better than the usual of $397.

                I do not have a blog. I get NOTHING from sharing this information, except knowing that maybe someone was able to save some money and get a useful item.

                This is a website for people who want to be prepared. Events in the past few years have led me and many other people to believe that the time we have to prepare is getting ever shorter. While YOU may be already prepared, there are many others who are still working on it.

                Your threats don’t scare me at all. When I see a preparedness item on sale or information others may find useful, I will share it.

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        • Rick:) says:

          Hey, just wondering??? Is anybody else getting tired of being MOCKED??
          I’m just about about fed up being portrayed as a low IQ,knckle dragging,Bible thumpen’, homophobic racist who wants to own a slave.

          I can’t understand the logic of a mostly unarmed segment of the population poking their damn finger in the eye of the armed segment of the population. WTF??? Am I missing something here?

          Are the wolves being goaded into attacting the sheep?? By the sheep?

          My head is screwed on pretty tight, thank you. But I would say there are one or two or twenty, that may have just had enough. This seems like a very dangerous game of chicken, if you ask me.

          Should prove interesting, no doubt.

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

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            • TripodXL says:

              Angelo Mutherfuquero; Well good morning SFB. In our country the word “Patriot” doesn’t need a modifier in front of it (BTW, that would be an adjective). A patriot is, as a patriot does, period. In this country there are no “hyphenated” patriots, which would have been the more correct way of presenting your race baiting “white-patriots”. You are a small-minded, hateful, little bigot! So, let me see if I can understand and plumb the depths of the “logic” (and I use that word loosely, in this case) of your premise. If someone is going to call you some nominally derogatory name, say like, uh, Shit For Brains, you might as well ACT like a Shit For Brained ass-wipe anyway. Does that pretty much nail your premise down? So in application, since we’ll be called this anyway, we should RESIGN ourselves to behaving like the MOST bigoted, hateful, narrow-minded and EVIL organizations ever seen on the face of the Earth and adopt their ethos (look it up moron) and live like that? Wow, you are such an inspiration to us “normal”, salt-of-the-earth, yet ignorant, proud, patriots. Lead on! How can we resist such obvious genius, leadership and charisma! Go Angelo Mutherfuquero…yea, yea, yea. We’re saved!!! Hurrahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Be Well.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

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                • TripodXL says:

                  Angelo Mutherfuquero; Well my small minded, little bigot friend, it’s like this. Your race baiting posts are simply SO OVER THE TOP that no one else’s even compares. LOL hahahaha, really yours are sooooo pathetic, puhhhleeese! If the topic wasn’t such a harmful point of view, first toward the targets and second for how it makes those of us that are conservative, principled concerned citizens, I wouldn’t waste my time on you. But you, and people like you, are the ones THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT AND SHOW ON THE NEWS. You are giving them the broad brush they use to paint ALL of us as “potential terrorists” and “racial bigots”, the latter they use as social justification and the former as LEGAL JUSTIFICATION to come and round us up. If they are trying to BAIT us into some sort of “EVENT” so they can start carting us all off, YOU ARE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS. You’re an idiot. You also apparently don’t listen either. Let me repeat. I am not Jewish, nor do I live in Israel, I live in a rural area, in a southern state, go to a Baptist church, had a very successful military career over an almost 40 year period (AD and Reserve), have raised 3 children, all of whom are productive citizens (2 were in the military and one was an Army Ranger, now medically retired from being WIA with a Bronze Star with Valor), had a successful civilian career in a high-tech industry, don’t owe any money, and am retired on my little 22 acre homestead. Oh, btw how is it you can spell all the Hebrew words correctly and can’t get your own(?)language vocabulary spelling correct? Are YOU sure YOU’RE NOT THE Jewish SHILL HERE? Most people that raise this much hell about something like you do are usually the “agent provocateur”, (that means shill in French) and couple that with your perfect Hebrew and absolutely shitty English grammar and spelling, makes you wonder??!!?? Just sayin’. Be well.

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                • BadAmerican says:

                  @tripod:

                  …not defending angle-mangle…but….

                  racism is a protected Right.

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                • Rick: It is not a game of chicken. It is a stratagey. They do want the other side to jump first so they can scream “it’s their fault”. But the point is that they want a civil war or the threat of one. That this their “win”. Divide and couquer. And their leader is the great divider. That was his Chicago M.O. and he is still at it. If we don’t divide, he loses.
                  No matter what they say we must remember that we are Americans. Tall, short, white, black, old or young we are Americans. That is how we stand togeather. Then it is us against those who do not choose to be Americans. They don’t like those odds. So their game plan is to get us fighting against each other while they go on about their business, consolidate power and resources and then they will deal with whoever or whatever is left of the civil combatants. Then they will have better numbers, resources etc.
                  UNITED WE STAND. The dividing line is the Constitution which they HATE! So they choose not to be Americans. Remember this. An American who has differing beliefs in some areas is still and American but the elite who hate the Constitution are not Americans! There is your enemy!

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                • tayronachan says:

                  @cara, exactlly. We need to be looking at a persons character, not the color of the skin.

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          • That is the point. This is the same mentality that caused Nancy to parade down the street with her gavel through the protesters. They wnat us to act. They want violence. LIberals want to goad you into action. Liberals want the lies they spew about the TEA party to become true. Liberal WANT the crisis and so far we haven’t given it them.

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          • Smokey says:

            I agree. What is the benefit to the nation in alienating a third to half of the population, heavily armed, educated, with many having military experience, and many more having supervisory and leadership roles in their employment? A dangerous game of political chicken, as you say? It could backfire on them in spades, without much more effort being needed.

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          • apache54 says:

            Rick
            you are correct and i think we should start a new political party to replace the corrupted ones and it should be named the (Conservative Constitutionalists party of the people and for the people), hope i spelled that correctly!

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          • old school says:

            rick
            me i dont want a damn slave hell i want two of them one to ride and one to beat,,,

            snake

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          • tipofspear says:

            They are trying to bait a “special group” of people into reacting. There are tons of groups that hate what’s going on. The G men will pick a group make up the tale that wags the dog and make an example of them in a big way. Probably won’t be until the debt celing talks are in the final few news cycle’s. Then whamo some other crackpot will do something more evil. keep your powder dry for the big show.

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        • TripodXL says:

          SterlingS; The problem with your premise is that it leaves them the OPTION of actually having a discussion of the restricting of a right (bearing arms). Have you noticed that they accuse us (the bully rabble of gun owners), eternally, of not compromising! Well, duh! You NEVER compromise when you are talking about “…they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE Rights…”. FYI, the words creator and rights are capitalized in the original document but the bold is mine. You should know where this quote comes from. You are ceding them power to incrementalize their agenda(s) with your premise of sounding “reasonable”. Rights are absolute, period. Just sayin’.

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          • SterlingSilver says:

            TripodXL: You are correct. Thats why I agreed to the conversation without ever compromising that unalienable right. We can discuss, but that doesn’t mean that I’d disarm. I’m just trying to be reasonable with these illogical mentally disoriented communists before a bloodbath ensues.

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            • TripodXL says:

              SS; You are correct in that we must all be above reproach, but the mere fact of sitting down at the “political table” (even figuratively) has the social and political pressure of compromise i.e. “we gave some now you give some”. This is what happened in 1986 with the Firearm Owners Protection Act, for which the acronym would be FOPA which coincidentally sounds like “faux pas”, imagine that haha. In 86 the FOPA was passed but at the cost of machine guns. Now of course, most people don’t want to go through the expense, effort and time of getting an NFA weapon, but THAT is NOT the point. As bad as it was to have to jump through hoops for the NFA weapons to begin with the so called “gun guy politicians” gave it away as a “compromise” to get the rest of the legislation passed. In fairness to them, this was also when the “so called assault weapons” were coming to the notice of the pinko commies and some of this “compromise” was to appease the pinko commie gun grabbers, by giving away what was left of the ability to have legal access to new NFA weapons. Well, we see how that appeasement worked, ala the 1994 AWB. I agree with your technical premise of looking reasonable, but it is the old camel’s nose in the tent ploy. Appeasement never works per Neville Chamberlain’s “peace for our time” debacle in 1938. The practical application of “sitting down at the table” just never seems to work out well. Just sayin’. Be well.

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          • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

            TripodXL

            What compromises are you speaking of? How about this:

            Start enforcing existing laws on criminals before you start shoving new ones on law abiding citiziens.

            A persons CCW is good anywhere in the country.

            Automatic speedy death penalty for gun crimes and non-gun crimes like ( armed or not )robbery,( armed or not ) burglary, rape, murder, gang related killings and drive by’s, etc. Get the point?

            If TPTB let some murderer out of prison who should have been executed and they kill again hold them ( TPTB ) accountable.

            Start hounding the criminals and not the taxpayers. I’m tired of some fuckhead politician who thinks they are above the law pointing their finger at honest citizens saying ” there is the bad guy ” while they finance the parasite criminals just for votes.

            Compromise is a two way street. Any suggestions on your part would be appreciated. I never here any from the current administration.

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            • BadAmerican says:

              @64EM:

              Good day Sir.

              Yeah buddy, nationwide Constitutional carry, no permission slips.

              A few legal public hangings for corrupt bankers and their hired puppets might send a clear message.

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            • TripodXL says:

              64EM; I think you need to go back and re-read the thread. I was opposing compromise, ANY compromise. My premise was that even “sitting down at the table” with the anti-gunners, even to appear reasonable, has the “hazard” of expectations from EACH side to “give something”. When you’re talking about individual “rights” THERE IS NO COMPROMISE, PERIOD! NO GIVE. Hope that clarifies. Be Well.

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        • JJsan says:

          Sterling,

          THEY don’t have to produce anything but the same lie over and over until the sheep believe it (Joseph Goebels wasn’t it). But don’t worry, they had that commercial celebrating the aniversery of planned parenthood and that was awesome!!! Sigh

          Keep your powder dry,
          JJsan

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        • Janelda Guido says:

          ..And not even then!!

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      • Impeached? That’s a bit light. How about Impaled?

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      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipRpsmKGlrE&feature=player_embedded#at=101

        Mac please post or do a write up on this….not many will see it buried down here….this needs to be seen and heard

        http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

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      • Live free or die says:

        These liberal psychos want to push the agenda of disarming america to the point where someone explodes. Some nut will react the way they want and then, BAM!! your rights are gone. They drool about having a legally registered gun owner flip out and start shooting. That will be it, game over, guns gone, 2nd amendment gone, executive order for martial law if anyone fights it on the street. This is a set up and guess what, it will work for these slimy little monsters.

        The brain washed and brain dead sheeple will be their support, after all there are more of them than there are of us now. They will say, America has spoken! No guns, no rights, no free America, let the dictatorship begin out in the open!

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        • Precisely! The liberals are beginning to to get restless and desperate because responsible gun owners are keeping their powder dry. Liberals are invoking God and prayers at their anti-gun news conferences, pitiful. It won’t be long until we see another tragedy occur in another gun free zone.

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          • ya, the same God they said didnt exist and they dispise us for clinging to…ya now they want his help in an evil endevor to disarm us?….sheesh,talk about pathetic…

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        • Beware a false flag by the lefties…attacking themselves…
          ;)

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      • I have been to NYS both inside and outside of NYC in the 90s. NYC seemed to be universally detested. People outside NYC and a few other cesspools are constantly outvoted by NYC residents. NYC was also hated for always sucking up most state resources.

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    2. No amount of reason or intelligent debate will reach these marxists…none of them(or few) believe their own BS about disarming the people for their own good and safety(ever notice how every stupid law uses safety as its lynchpin?)they know full well that they intend to control and eventually own us and everything else…that is their intent…question is how many people in general understand that..few it seems, but more day by day are waking up and they know it,hence the mad dash for hell they are currently on…bad times ahead but better times too!”Live free or die tryin”

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      • KY Mom says:

        “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.”
        Thomas Jefferson

        “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”
        George Washington”

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        • AnonLegion says:

          Thomas Jefferson commited some of the most atrocious acts in the history of the United States.

          He may of penned the constitution but it was a constitution for white men only.

          At the beginning of the 1830s, nearly 125,000 Native Americans lived on millions of acres of land in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina and Florida–land their ancestors had occupied and cultivated for generations. By the end of the decade, very few natives remained anywhere in the southeastern United States. Working on behalf of white settlers who wanted to grow cotton on the Indians’ land, the federal government forced them to leave their homelands and walk thousands of miles to a specially designated “Indian territory” across the Mississippi River. This difficult and sometimes deadly journey is known as the Trail of Tears.

          http://www.history.com/topics/trail-of-tears

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          • comanche says:

            Almost half of the Cherokee people died during that long forced march to Oklahoma. What a shame on the government at that time. The Cherokee were more civilized than their rulers. They tried to assimulate into the anglo society but they were not accepted. The Cherokee society was much more highly advanced than the anglos or spanish at that time. The Cherokee will be here when all the others are gone.

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          • Which acts would those be? Jefferson was president at the turn of the century (1700s into the 1800s)…he died July 4th 1826…the US Federal Govt didnt have and Indian removal policy till 1825 which was carried out by Andy Jackson and Van Buren mostly in the 1830s which is the time of the Great Sorrow..Trail Of Tears…part of my family hid out in the mountains of East Tennessee and Carolina(some were said to have been on the march)where they married into the Scotch Irish side of my family…later they went to war with that yankee lincoln…but thats another story…point is Jefferson wasnt the one who drove the Nations out of their homelands it was that bassturd Andy Jackson(who at least told the banksters to go pound sand)…also Jefferson(who penned the Declaration) was in France as I recall when the constitution was being framed…he wasnt too keen on it and he was the main proponent of the Bill of Rights….not a perfect man im sure but not too bad a resume either…just sayin…”Live free or die tryin”

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            • AnonLegion says:

              Jefferson proposed in private letters beginning in 1803 a policy that under Andrew Jackson would be called Indian removal, under an act passed in 1830.

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          • Paranoid says:

            Jefferson didn’t write it Madison did. Jefferson wanted the Bill of rights. And the slaves weren’t people still act mostly like animals

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          • Correction sir, it was president Andrew Jackson!!!

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          • Penned says:

            Madison “penned” the Constitution, you moron.

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      • The Universe says:

        I know marxists that own weapons.

        We aren’t facing marxists. If we were they would be defeated by now.

        We are facing a wholly new type of creature.

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      • Be informed says:

        True monsters try to take away people’s rights to defend themselves. Case in point look at the resemblance between one monster in the senate trying to take away our right to own self protection for ourselves and our families, feinsteinless and another true monster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Medusa_by_Carvaggio.jpg

        As you can see they look like the same monster, or at least sisters.

        All kidding aside, we are in big trouble even if the congress sides with freedom because BO can use executive orders under the pretext that the national security is at risk because of these rifles. It only takes a mass shooting with not just one shooter, but a dozen or so like happened in India a few years ago. The scenario would go like this.

        Arabs, white supremacists, freedom soliders, whatever label the government would use goes out and purchases legally these semi-automatic rifles and then goes into a very crowded area and crossfires the crowd. Maybe worse than 9/11 in fatalities. There is no way at that point that BO would not ban practically anything if congress somehow stuck to the rights of the 2nd Amendment. This type of false flag could be coming.

        There is a total obsession with banning so many firearms, and it is on some undisclosed time urgency. WHY? WHY so quickly? Why not wait until after the financial instability is addressed to discuss firearms? What is it so darn urgent to get this firearms ban going right now. This is what is the true trouble awaiting us. What is so severe in the future that we as a people have to be disarmed as soon as possible?

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          And if that did come to pass we would have no choice but to fight with everything we have to remain a free people, anyone who would just lay down does not deserve to be free

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          • TripodXL says:

            KF; Yes, you must fight with ALL you have or else it isn’t worth it………or is it?

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          • Noble thoughts and rhetoric are great, but the reality is that surrendering weapons will not save you. Being suspected of ever having ANY weapon will put you at the top of the hit parade. .gov does not fear our weapons only for the martial threat they represent, but they REALLY fear the spirit of the person behind these weapons. Surrendering your liberty teeth only makes your ultimate disposal safer for .gov and after you’re gone, don’t expect your family to be left alone.

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          • Yes because even if you fink out and dont fight them you still get to die…they wont be rewarding anyone for good behavior!

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        • Rascle says:

          That F’n funny but Medusa is WAY better looking than Frankinstein!!

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        • BamBam says:

          BI, I just read about a 4.4, a 3.2, and a 3.1 earthquake in California. Are these foreshocks, or just occurences? And when could we expect the main earthquake to occur?

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          • Be informed says:

            @ BamBam. The earthquakes in the Lake Tahoe region I would say are just commonplace. The ones offshore of Eureka near the Oregon border I would be more concerned about regarding the Cascadia fault. There has already been some true planet ringers with that 7.8 just north of the Cascadia fault and the 7.5 north of the 7.8. Really what could set it off is a similar size quake south of it, right in the far northern California area offshore. Watch these areas north of 40 degrees, anything large here probably 6.8 of larger is enough to trigger the Cascadia fault.

            These polar earthquakes have been off the charts since the 7.5 in Alaska more than 2 weeks ago. Most of these earthquake regions in the past have had earthquakes 6.5+ 90% of the time, a couple were 100% of the time, after these areas had moderate quakes. Statistically speaking there should be a 6.5+ by today, Jan.24, and if not today it nears 100% by Jan.30. There is about a 80% chance that the earthquake will be 7+, and better than 50% chance it will be 7.5+. As I said before, there is actually MORE of a likelihood of a 7.5+ than a 6.5-6.9 just because of the shear volume of precursor quakes all over the place. I still couldn’t believe the swarm in the Carlsburg Ridge.

            There is some much energy being directed at so many different spots around the planet, it has me wondering if what is coming is more in the high 8 to low 9 range. This would make sense for the slight delay in a big earthquake hitting, that it is so huge that the build up is what we are seeing right now. This is what happened to a lesser degree before the 9.1 Indonesian, and the 8.8 Chile earthquakes. The 9.0 in Japan was similar to the other high 7 range earthquakes with distant foreshocks beforehand.

            I think everyone is watching, as it has been over a day again since there has been ANY earthquakes of 2.5+ in the southern hempishere. Nothing south of 4 degrees south in about 27 hours. Even the 5.0 in Indonesia was 17 hours ago. To have the entire southern hempishere not even have one tiny earthquake in 17 hours is not good. The other day is went 2 and 1/2 days without anything south of 8 degrees south. It tells me that everything is jammed up tight, and when this happens it WILL give. South America is really primed, but so is western Indonesia (Sumatra zone), and from New Guinea to about Fiji. China and Japan are the most likely areas to have something huge if it is a northern event.

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            • Todd says:

              BI, thoughts on the 4.1 – 4.5 in east Texas early this morning? Kind of an odd place… related to the Louisiana sinkhole deal? Fracking?

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              • Be informed says:

                @ Todd. I was watching a Weather Channel “It Could Happen Tommorrow” about the New Madrid fault and one statement that really hit me was that if all the sediment had not been deposited in the rift area of the New Madrid, there would be an ocean there. This could be fracking or something else as this would be an extension of the New Madrid fault in east Texas. The twisting of the North American plate in this region is very severe, and the Caribbean plate has a huge impact on this.

                Yes, I saw that earthquake and I thought maybe it was manmade driven, as there are lots of earthquakes in Oklahoma region that are a result of fracking. Then I said, that is real close to what would be the New Madrid fault continuing south. This region around the New Madrid reminds me of one word, “backfill”. All that glacial silt from the past ice age being dumped did not make for very much stability for all those homes and businesses sit on. Another region to watch as the ONLY earthquake in the southern hempishere in the past day and a half or so was in the South Sandwhich Islands, that region that is hit and a big earthquake most often hits after this.

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                • Todd says:

                  Wow. That’s very interesting stuff. Scary too. There’s one guy (or maybe several, I’m not real up on this stuff) that has predicted the gulf of Mexico coming all the way up to the great lakes or something, I think after a New Madrid quake. From what you’re saying here, it almost makes that sound more plausible…

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        • kimintn says:

          @ BI – i am thinking you are correct on asking WHY now and WHY so quickly. The fight over the 2nd Amendment is a HUGE distraction; what is the REAL bubble that they would drag out such a high-dollar arguement to distract us with???

          Same thought for the announcement of females on the combat line; a good distraction to keep the soldiers thinking about something other than the real bubble.

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          • MXLord327 says:

            “Never let a crisis go to waste.” They need to act while public sentiment and raw emotion is still high.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ kimintn. I was thinking also along the lines that maybe the government knows what I know, that at least one of the major faults is going to snap in the U.S. and they are partially getting ready for some serious martial law. The Cascadia fault is gone and just waiting for something to push it loose. The souther San Andreas is like what you would describe 15 seconds to midnight. The New Madrid is kind of on the border of being overdue, 201 years, but could easily be set off by another fault breaking like in 1812 when it broke, the central San Andreas and the southern Caribbean plate did.

            I have not heard of copperhead in a long time giving us updates on USGS action down on the New Madrid. I would be interested to know if others are detecting USGS movement anywhere within 100 miles in all directions of the New Madrid.

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        • roger says:

          Executive orders don’t mean shit. They are NOT in the constitution under presidential powers, PERIOD. Barry can create all of the EO’s he wants, I am ignoring them, and you should too. Spread the word………

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      • Fuckingpissed says:

        Our only hope is to kill all the traitors

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        • In a Communist Nanny State, those that we see as traitors are considered Hero’s by the entitled. And consequently, there’s a lot of “Blood Suckers” on the dole in America.

          That only adds up to one possibility; like it or not, a whole lot ‘a killing.

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      • SonOfSam says:

        These ObamaNazi puke POS dont want to “debate” anything. A debate presumes a shared interest in arriving at the truth, and they are NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. They only want to bully us free citizens, the way their kind have been bullying free people for thousands of years

        MOLON LABE

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    3. Gunsmith says:

      @ Ole’ George W…

      Fear not pops…there are plenty here, who are more than capable of having your back…& honoring those who served/bled/died beside you & under your command!

      Honor & courage is alive/well at this site…and across the nation you & others bequeathed us!

      We will rout the enemy, never doubt!

      …on a personal note, please inform Thomas J…that he’s in for a huge back-slap/kudos…when he & I meet!

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    4. mirbach says:

      Out of control FedGov has crossed the Rubicon.

      “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

      History repeating…

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      • Gregory8 says:

        VRF: Good link. Historians say that history doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes. Stalinist Russian and Nazi Germany come to mind when I listen to this piece.

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    5. anoymous says:

      You should “Just Say No!”. Worked, sort of, for Nancy Reagan. War on drugs. War on guns. Can’t recommend either. Combining the two could get testy.

      Anybody checked the price on 8″ diameter plastic pipe lately? Don’t forget end caps, appropriate plastic cement, insulation, & D-CON.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        cheaper to use than to bury your weapons…just be patient. They are going to make a mistake soon.

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      • I don’t buy into this “burying my weapons” crap. If they’re coming for them you better believe they mean business and I don’t want them underground, out of reach, for that Event.

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        • no body . says:

          sometimes hiding is the right thing sometimes not if there isn’t a civil war going on I would sugest that u dont shoot the cops U dont have to bury stuff to hide it digging holes is a lot of work

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        • sc00ter313 says:

          Burry them parallel and next to underground utilities like cable tv, electric lines, water lines, etc. They are less likely to be found with metal detectors because the utilities will mask your guns.
          It is best to not have any “illegal” weapons when they come for them. AFTER they leave is when you retrieve your weapons. Choose to fight your way; don’t let them have it their way. We will be dealing with cowards who will arrive with overwhelming force of arms, it’s suicide to have a face-off then. Pick ‘em off one by one when the fight IS ON YOUR TERMS. That is how the rebellion in 1776 was won.
          just sayin’

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        • Gunsmith says:

          @ E.A.

          Consider the idea that…given many folks possess calibers/actions they don’t shoot much anymore(lever guns/bolt guns etc)…why not plant a few w/ +300 rds or more for posterity’s sake!

          …inform trusted blood relatives or close friends, as to its/their locations…w/ instructions that if anything happens to you…in the coming fight, they can carry on the struggle.

          Examples include 30-30 lever guns**, 7.62x54R Nagants, 6.5×55 Swedes, 8mm Mauser or whatever surplus weapon you have.

          In the meantime, you keep the rapid-fire/high-capacity hardware…within easy reach.

          …just a subtle thought/bit of planning…mind you!

          ——————————————————–

          **am not slighting the 30-30 guys…I still employ mine in the (thick)woods during deer season…its never let me down, either!

          But around here, seems most everybody is infected w/ “magnum-fever”…dumb-asses really…’cuz they always complain about wasting both shoulders of the deer after a 100yd or less, shot!

          Go figure…

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        • SWFL says:

          You can only carry so many at one time. You bury the others so they don’t disappear on you while you’re out working.

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      • Penned says:

        What will it take to make you dig ‘em up?

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    6. Chris45 says:

      Welcome to the next American revolution. Get ready boys and girls, we are in the fight for our lives.

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      • MadMarkie says:

        The coming conflict is going to be one of the worst civil wars ever known. Just look at what is happening in Syria right now. Our own civil war is a case in point. The atrocities committed, usually by civilians on one side against civilians supporting the opposite side, were truly horrific.

        This isn’t Afghanistan where once you finish your deployment you return home, many thousands of miles from your enemy. The boys and girls of our military and law enforcement need to recognize that their own precious families live right down the street from the folks that their leaders are ordering them to oppress and kill.

        The coming conflict, the one that so many on both sides seem to be looking forward to so eagerly, isn’t going to be friendly or very much fun for anyone involved ….. and everyone living in the United States will be invited to this ‘party’. Please be very careful with what you wish for; your wishes may just come true. It’s too bad that our government seems so damned determined to provoke this conflict with their own citizens.

        God Bless and good luck to all who post here …… we’re for damn sure going to need all the help that we can get!

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        • TripodXL says:

          MM; Well said, well said and very thoughtful. I spent a lot of time in the military both active duty for 11 years and in the Reserve, spanning almost 40 years. Whether or not troops will turn on the citizenry is not an issue, although the state/city of origin does have an effect on that. The most patriotic military members (which tend to be the special units or better trained combat units) will refuse. As to the local law enforcement, they will do what is their nature to according to what state they are in by and large i.e. NJ wouldn’t have an problems confiscating arms, but DPS wouldn’t even try in TX…and so on. You are right, it won’t be much fun…war is truly hell as well as HARD. Particularly hard for an old man (or woman). Be well.

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        • JJsan says:

          Mad Mark,

          AMEN

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        • Gods Creation says:

          “”"The coming conflict, the one that so many on both sides seem to be looking forward to so eagerly, isn’t going to be friendly or very much fun for anyone involved ….. and everyone living in the United States will be invited to this ‘party’.”"”

          Fortunately, there is no reason to become involved in the war between the corp and it’s citizens. Just don’t be a corp citizen and they will have no idea you exist.

          They can invite you all they want, but you don’t have to show up to the slaughter.

          The ONLY Law left is Natural Law. That’s the only Law Men were meant to understand and obey.

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      • Steve G. says:

        You are absolutely right. This is going to get real ugly, real fast. I have prayed for years that this day would never come, but it has been forced upon us. God bless Liberty, and all those who stand for it.

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    7. Was not that long ago, the conversation of losing the rights of the Second Amendment seemed impossible. It was a right that I would never have to question, it would always be there for me, and every American citizen. Now, it may well become the decision that will force me into becoming a felon, or worse..?? No citizen should ever been placed into this situation, I fear that those who started this, may not understand the final results.

      Take care all

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        +1. 9mm

        My dad was a marine, he taught me how to shoot, hunt, ride, rope,
        He told me the constitution was the primary law of the land and that nobody
        Could take those rights from me,
        I will honor his life and his memory by NEVER allowing anyone to infringe upon
        Any of my constitutional rights.
        MOLON LABE

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      • Fuckingpissed says:

        It will be ‘or worse,’ friend. They will force us to kill, because the alternative is slavery or death. I do not wish to kill, but I have made up my mind that I will and have made plans for the inevitable.

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      • Steve G. says:

        I just do not understand what part of “Shall Not Be Infringed” they don’t understand. It is the ONLY Amendment that uses those words. They ARE very strong words and very clear as to the meaning as well.

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    8. Fuckingpissed says:

      When they come- burn them to death, blow their fuc k ing brains out, drop trees on their vehicles, give them nothing and take everything from them. We are at war and they will get what they are asking for- hell

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    9. 20,000 leagues says:

      “Should Have Sufficient Arms and Ammunition to Maintain a Status of Independence From Any Who Might Attempt to Abuse Them”-George Washington

      Every citizen of the United States of America needs to accept and adhere to this.

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    10. SilverFox says:

      Our forefathers had tremendous foresight for they knew it was only a matter of time that these days would come.

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    11. Satori says:

      off topic
      but here’s a little warning from “big sis”

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-homeland-chief-cyber-9-215436416.html

      “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned on Thursday that a major cyber attack is a looming threat and could have the same sort of impact as last year’s Superstorm Sandy, which knocked out electricity in a large swathe of the Northeast.

      Napolitano said a “cyber 9/11″ could happen “imminently” and that critical infrastructure – including water, electricity and gas – was very vulnerable to such a strike.”

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        You can bet that if they are warning about it…then they are planning to do it.

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        • MXLord327 says:

          And right now would be a great time to do it, it is zero degrees across the whole northeast. Shut the net & the grid down and freeze out a few million useless eaters.

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      • pale rider says:

        Satori: The NET our life line of commo is about to be shut down, cell phones, and critcal infrastructure.
        Remember the winter time is the best time to start the take over, people will be hard pressed to stay warm. LOOK OUT if this is so time maybe very short.

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      • Feisty Old Broad says:

        @satori…the question that is raised in my mind is would the US gov’t initiate a limited cyber attack in order to create the emergency that would cause Congress to enact the cyber security bill that failed in Congress last year?
        fob

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        • Satori says:

          I’ll let Obama’s former top adviser answer that…

          ““You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” Rahm Emanuel

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      • We should all increase our cyber IQ and abilities! Count it as tactical ¤

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      • Maybe off topic, but highly relevant. I take it as a threat. ” Comply or have utilities cut off for large sections of the country

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        • Another thought on this. Note the immediate default to EO on the cyber security thing. This is just like the websites that you are diverted to and told “Pay us and we’ll protect you”. .gov is the one we need protection from.

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    12. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      ~ SHTFPLAN CLUBHOUSE PUBLIC NOTICE ~

      HELP WANTED: ;0p

      WANTED ALL ABLE BODIED ARMED FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN PATRIOTS – CIVILIANS AND ARMED FORCES VETERANS TO FILL POSITIONS IN THE ALM1776 ” AmeriCan Liberty Militia 1776 ” .

      POSITION – AMERICAN FREEDOM FIGHTER

      VACANCIES – ARE NATION WIDE .

      CONTACT – alm1776@hushmail.com

      * these are volunteer positions only , and potentially life endangering , APPLY AT YOUR OWN RISK .

      NOTE – NO ZIONIST’S FREEMASON’S OR FAIRIES NEED APPLY .

      ~N.O. ;0p

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      • clint hospo says:

        I agree with you 100 percent on this but whats wrong with the fremasons? I had one front me about joining after I told him about liking masonery. He told me that you go thru different levels and its all about being a better man and they help their own get a job. I was skeptical about it and he asked me if I believe in god. I paused and said that I believe in someone(jesus) died at the cross for our sins. If I would of said no, he would of not let me of joined. He said it helps them get jobs and some judges let him off by flashing his pin that he wears on his suit in court but said he had burned his times and he may be in trouble for alcohol related drunk driving I think. I dont know much about them and sorry for getting off track just wanted to share that. This was in Pittsburgh Pa.

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        • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

          @clint hospo … A Very Large portion of American chapter of the global international freemasons are going to be arrested for fraud theft insider trading drug smuggling conspiracy to commit murder murder racketeering sedition and treason against the U.S. CONSTITUTION , FREE AMERICAN CITIZEN AND THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA . Including the Knights of Malta and many other traitorous organization as they are already known and discovered .

          Thats the problem with the international fraud murder racketeering crime mafia organization known as the freemasons .

          IF YOU ARE ONE OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS I SUGGEST YOU TELL THEM TO RESIGN THEIR MEMBERSHIP .

          ~N.O. ;0p

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          • Andrew says:

            I dont believe it. I am a master mason. All we do at my local chapter is charity work and most of the members are old as hell.

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            • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

              Freemason Fascists are part of the problem … not the solution .

              Just ask the entire bush family , dan quayle , bill clinton , al gore , barry soetoro / obama , most of congress and the senate , most amerikan executives captains of ameriKan industries .

              all freemasons … all corrupted and ruled over by the real knight templar freemasons of england , ruled over by the black pope jesuits of the vatican and lord rothschild supreme leader of the british freemasons .

              THAT’S WHY NO TRAITOR AMERIKAN FREEMASONS !

              form your own freemason TRAITOR militia’s .

              but you’ll never work with nor around the “A. Liberty Militia 1776″ .

              ~N.O. ;0p

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        • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

          Free Masons the Knight Templar Cabala Devil Disciples

          Who are Free Masons ? and what are they up to? Listen to both sides and you will definitely be !!!Shocked!!! Explore the cloaked hand that has been responsible for some of history’s most important turning points. The same hand that now controls every medium, exploiting it for their sole ambition of total global domination with a one World government.

          The gripping truth surrounding Masonry, past and present that is exposed in this exclusive insight never before revealed …

          Side 1 : http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/audio/ShadowsPart1.rm

          Side 2 : http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/audio/ShadowsPart2.rm

          ~N.O. ;0p

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        • Nothing wrong with Masons. We have an obligation to not only help other masons in need but all humans. Like any other group there are a few bad apples but mostly good men doing charitable work. We are not a crime syndicate,we control nothing but ourselves. We are average men who try to better ourselves and believe in God. I don’t look for favors from other masons,ignore the law and anything illegal. I’m as distressed as everyone here about where are country is headed and will do my part to get it back on the right path. Patriots are needed whether its at the ballot box or otherwise and there are a lot of masons backing us up. Believe in conspiracies if you want,you’d be sadly misinformed!

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      • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

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      • I’m a Mason that is conservative,American as apple pie and ready to fight for my country. You know nothing of Masons in your comment. We are average every day Joes and have no plans to take over anything. We have no power but to try and be our best. Don’t believe everything you see or hear. We are few and don’t look for favors from anybody. There are no secrets anymore(check the internet). Unless you’ve been there you know nothing. I’ll be there with the rest of the patriots to take back this country but won’t impose my views on anybody.

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        • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

          FREEMASONS ARE PART OF THE ILLUMINATI ZIONIST FREEMASON PROBLEM … NOT THE SOLUTION .

          Good for you … HERE’S A COOKIE ;0P … your obvious a FREEMASON PEON MORON .

          I suggest you research who and what the freemasons are a lil’ deeper than wife swapping , boy buggery and trying to molest each others daughters on the weekends as i’ve discovered first hand working with Law Enforcement .

          I REPEAT “NO FREEMASONS” ! NO ZIONISTS ! AND NO FAIRIES (this means you too @fbp)!

          ~N.O. ;0p

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          • Facebook Page says:

            I am so happy that I haunt your thoughts on a daily basis.

            I love that you can’t even get thumb up when you are supporting the 2nd. Just show that as the SHIF family grows they have seen though your sewage and are improving this site by calling you out on your crap.

            Once again I feel honored you were thinking of me.

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      • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

        World Wide Illuminati Freemason Symbolic Pics of the Month12-2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=fOFQJLRPkqs

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    13. Mal Reynolds says:

      Question: What do all the quotes in this article have in common?

      Answer: You’ll never hear any of them repeated by a teacher in a public school.

      Mal

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      • 0352 says:

        Mal,
        You’re absolutely wrong on that one. I teach history in a public school. I have several of the quotes mentioned on the walls around my classroom. I speak to my students weekly, at a minimum, about 2nd Amendment RIGHTS. At least three other teachers in my department do the same. Of course, I do teach in a small rural school and most of my students parents have firearms in the home.

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        • Steve G. says:

          Bravo 0352! It shows that the public education system is not all the way down the toilet. My daughter tells me her English teacher and I would get along well, as she talks the same way I do. Now I read your words, and know that there are at least two patriots in the public school system. I believe that there are many more that I don’t know. Keep the fire alive in your students minds and the number of patriot mined people will swell to unimaginable multitudes. God Bless!

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        • Mal Reynolds says:

          @0352:
          Congrats! But looking at the issue on a national scale, you’re absolutely, positively, in the minority. I taught high school history in VA for several years and I was stunned at the Marxist ideology prevalent in the teachers’ lounge.

          Keep up the good work. As a nation, we’re in desperate need of teachers like yourself.

          Mal

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    14. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      ~ SHTFPLAN CLUBHOUSE PUBLIC NOTICE II ~

      HELP WANTED: ;0p

      WANTED ALL ABLE BODIED ARMED FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN PATRIOTS – CIVILIANS AND ARMED FORCES VETERANS TO FILL POSITIONS IN THE ALM1776 ” AmeriCan Liberty Militia 1776 ” .

      POSITION – AMERICAN FREEDOM FIGHTER

      VACANCIES – ARE NATION WIDE .

      CONTACT – alm1776@hushmail.com

      * these are volunteer positions only , and potentially life endangering , APPLY AT YOUR OWN RISK .

      NOTE – NO ZIONIST’S FREEMASON’S OR FAIRIES NEED APPLY .

      ~N.O. ;0p

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      • Feisty Old Broad says:

        AmeriCan FreeMan…..your moniker says it all and your comments reinforce it….in my opinion, you are a paid troll…..
        fob

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        • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • huh? says:

          FOB- you must be new around here
          He is quite serious, and has good
          intentions……

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          • Feisty Old Broad says:

            My apologies for calling you a troll…my mistake,perhaps, but I still would not want someone such as yourself in my group..based upon your comments…actually, you remind me of many friends of my husband…he did two tours in Vietnam (left the military after 10 years)and many of his friends spoke as you do..distain for Jews and Masons..and they became paid
            “instructors” in other countries…..after the “conflict”…which I call a war….my husband of over 20 years died at the age of 51….he had finally been told that he had been exposed to agent orange…but he died before the va could “timely” process his paperwork for him to access medical care from his gov’t…..and my Father was a 32nd Degree Mason (which he attained after only 18 months) and he was also the innovator, head of his dept instructor of a College Program….Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice….I could go on regarding his contributions, in the educational field, and in a personal realm….what HE did in his everyday life to perserve and protect…..I, myself, cannot claim anything of such note as my legacy…..
            Wishing all well and May God Bless US
            fob

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            • AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

              @ole’bag quote : “I still would not want someone such as yourself in my group..based upon your comments…”

              the feeling is mutual @ole’bag . your the kind of person who gets folks hurt by shear ignorance .

              best of luck taking up arms and standing your post on the front porch @0200 O’dark am hrs protecting yourself and property from looters during a shtf event .

              your definitely gonnna need it .

              ~N.O. ;0p

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              • Facebook Page says:

                So you miss me slapping you on the back of the head. I will have to pay more attention to you so you feel special

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              • Feisty Old Broad says:

                You can call me any name you wish…ole bag, ole hag….doesn’t bother me …..how about I call you what you are? Skinhead, Hitler Lover, blond bombshell? Mercenery? Names do not hurt one…..you state that I would get folks hurt by my ignorance….I say YOU WILL get folks killed by virtue of your hatred and your feelings of self-importance….YOU are not a Patriot..you are not a team member..and, if you are a veteran, you were most likely not a good SOLDIER….you attempt to inflame others by the virtue of YOUR words, yet there is nothing of substance to support YOUR words….
                I find it very ironic that those who believe in hitlers prose do not support the current happenings in gov’t….oh , wait for it….ah, yeah….
                Be well informed, be well physically, mentally, and spiritually
                And may GOD BLESS US
                fob

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        • FOB,

          Yepp ol nino is one crazy MF, but if I was in a fight I would want him beside me. And yes Nino your are a crazy MF…LOL

          Keep up the good fight it looks to be a late spring,

          DPS

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    15. asian prep says:

      anyone have experience with The Poor Man’s Slug?

      i’ve been watching youtube videos on them.

      yay or neigh?

      wally world bird shot is the reality when you’re preparing on a tight budget….

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      • The Universe says:

        Look for Wolf Ammunition 00 buck shot. Relatively cheap but have clear plastic shells so they can be traded without worry (assuming you want to trade your ammunition at all).

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        • MXLord327 says:

          Watch out for some of the cheap buckshot, a friend of mine bought a whole case of 12ga 2 3/4″ that was about 1/8″ too long to chamber in his shotgun. It shoots fine out of anything that will take a 3″ magnum, but will not shoot out of a 2 3/4″ only gun. It was Sellier & Beloit brand.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        No experience with them, but it would appear that they should only be used with single-shot or double barreled guns. Too much chance that they will hang-up in pump or auto.

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        • asian prep says:

          thanks. makes a ton of sense. i’m waiting for the stories about it blowing up on someones face. LOL

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        • Walt Kowalski says:

          Just an aside here….but why would anyone give a “thumbs down” to a non-political, informational post?

          Doesn’t bother me really. I know that I’ve probably attracted my share of enemies on this site. But really…..save your thumbs-down for posts that matter. Or at least for posts where it really means something.

          Whoever did it for this one is just showing everyone what an idiot they are.

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      • Dick says:

        Honestly the effort it takes to get it just right in my opinion isn’t worth it. If you are on that tight a budget invest in a Ruger 10/22 for distance work and load your shotgun with #2-000 shot for when it counts. You don’t know reliably if the bird shot slug will stay together.

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        • asian prep says:

          the bird shot tested on pork butt and ribs tied together was pretty devastating at 15 yards. anything much further than that probably wouldn’t take down a Blue Helmet wearing deer. thanks for the advice with the #2-000. will try to stock them when i can.

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          • Roseman91 says:

            Get some pdx1 rounds. 1 ounce slug and 00 buck, all in one shell.
            Home protection, at its finest!

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          • Asian Prep,

            If you only have a shotgun then yes get some 00 buckshot, but also pick up some slugs as well. My old shot gun knocks a nice hole out to 150 yrs after that it starts dropping very fast, But damn what it hits is sure down.

            DPS

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            • asian prep says:

              i have a few boxes of OO for home security but i was thinking more on a SHTF type situation. “zombie types” from the outside trying to come in and take my stuff.

              thanks for all the advice everyone.

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          • Steve G. says:

            I prefer my 30:06 at a distance.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Im making steel slugs with a grinder and a chop saw, you clear out the birdshot from the cheap shell and slide the pointy steel slug into the plastic wad, best to buy steel rod that is a little smaller than the barrel

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        • Kula,

          You do know that is really going to trash you barrel right, the reason lead is used it is softer then steel, hence the friction as the slug passes through the barrel is much less with lead however the lead slugs fowl the barrel after only a few shots. So you might wanna get a spare barrel if you keep using those steel slugs.

          DPS

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            Actually doesnt do too bad, the shells i used the first time were a federal shell, wad was pretty high, 3″ shells, barrel with cylinder bore is about .729, rod i was plying with is .701 diam. stainless i have been making the slugs about 1.5″ long, make it look like a flat nose bullet you would see for a 44 or 357, dont want a point since there is a chance the recoil could cause problems if the slug hit the primer of the next shell in the magazine,
            Was just trying it out, figure if we get to the point that i need to make my own slugs rather than just order up a few boxes from balistic products i have bigger problems than scratches in the barrel of a 200$ maverick home defense shotgun!

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        • Kula,

          You might wanna ask NetRanger I think he very sharp on reloading, I am only a novice at it but learning fast.

          DPS

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        • Rick:) says:

          Thanks for that last part Kula. Seems important.

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            It is, birdshot uses a faster powder than slugs so you want to have a little slop so the wad can deform and let a little of the excess pressure escape, the wad and gas check are plastic so do have some give, its a fairly instantaneous action, fraction of a second but the blown up receiver is that fraction of a second. Is best to not screw around like this unless were in an extreme situation. And definitely not with an old firearm, wear your safety glasses!

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      • HisArmsWide says:

        @asian prep

        Firstly let me state that having real slugs is preferred along with a rifled barrel.

        But with that said, I’ve experimented with turning shot shells into slug by the very simple expedient of cutting the shells right above the brass. Cut the plastic on both sides but leave about a 1/4″ of whole material between them cuts. It should look like (). Shooting them at 50 yards they punched a slug shaped hole through paper with no signs of loose shot. They cycle and eject fine in my pumps (moss and rem) and a tube fed semi. I do not have access to a box fed shotgun so I cannot speak for those.

        As a result of my testing I have several hundred shot shells stock piled now, both for the obvious of small game and as a last resort when the slugs and buck run out, for larger game. I would imagine one of these hitting a deer within 75 yards would be the same as getting hit by a glaser.

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      • roger says:

        from what i’ve seen, the maker of these slugs hit a 6″ pattern at 100yds. Went smooth through a piece of 16 gauge steel sheet. 22′s did not penetrate, even at close range.

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      • BadAmerican says:

        @asianprep:

        I make wax slugs, use ‘em in my coach gun.

        I like the results.

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      • I have alot of #6 gameloads stuck back for a rainy day…they contain an oz of shot and make a prettygood hole in a close range area…not as mean as the OO buck or the BB loads but effective and better than nothin Id say…not sure if thats what you were askin…

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      • Are you referring to cut shotshells?

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    16. Dick says:

      In the end Liberty requires more than words to ensure its existence. Our forefathers in their infinite wisdom tried to ensure that when tyranny finally arose the people would have the means to face it. There is a great deal of posturing going on but ultimately ” True Patriots” will have to decide to talk and then cower, or truly make a stand. I hope that I will be man enough to be the latter and have taken steps to improve my chances. It only took approximately 5% of dedicated patriots to throw off the yoke before. I believe it will take more than that if this attack on “The Constitution” is successful.

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      • Steve G. says:

        I do not think this will get through the House of Reps. The Repubs (for what they are worth, and it’s not much) are scared of the NRA. They’ll defeat it. It’s just another game being played to get our minds off the crappy economy that is deteriorating rapidly, and the devaluation of the dollar.

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    17. The Universe says:

      “They tell us that the protections afforded by our right to bear arms are ambiguous and unnecessary in our modern-day society.”

      If weapons stopped evolving 200 years ago I would agree with them. In fact, weapons have evolved to be surprisingly more dangerous than anybody outside of sci-fi authors thought was possible.

      If the government invents a ray gun we have the right to own one.

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      • exactly..
        I know I have said this before, but im going to keep saying it to get the point out to any new comers..

        If the Branch Dividians, or Randy Weaver had an Abrams Tank, There would have been negotiations.

        park it in your driveway and see if they want to take your guns away

        if you can afford it, and afford to feed it, and are not a felon, you should be able to own everything they have, per the 2nd amendment.

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    18. Sidney Weaver says:

      I’ve been watching this site for awhile now. Thought I’d contribute, not sure where to send suggestions for daily articles. Privacy advocates beware.
      http://www.livescience.com/26568-nypd-terahertz-scanner.html

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    19. pale rider says:

      First Rule of the Rifleman: TAKE NO UNNECESSARY RISKS

      Remain undetected until your rounds hit your target.

      Your mission is to harass, delay, and cause maximum casualties to the other side. If you are good enough, you can get several hits before the other side has time to react, thereby catching multiple targets unaware and undetected.
      Once your position is revealed you will immediately relocate to another position 50 or 100 yards away.
      Now’s when you don’t push your luck. Better to get out and fall back to the next good position and wait for them to saddle up and come down the road again. Eventually they will put out scouts to walk ahead, and these will be “give me targets”, until you’ve got them so demoralized they 1- stop for the night, 2- button up and ram their way down the road, 3- call in fire support. By this time, you should be bugging out, satisfied with a job well done, not pushing your luck—there’ll be other days.
      Depending on the persistent stupidity, or the quickness of the other side, you will have fired as few as half-dozen rounds or as many as 25-40 rounds.
      Fred’s

      The most important item of equipment that a rifleman can have in his possession in combat is a well-zeroed rifle.
      UMTPI

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    20. BigMouthKeyBoardCryBabies says:

      Just STFU and do what you have to do if the day comes.

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    21. durango kidd says:

      WE are Seal Team America.

      The penalty for TREASON is death. That is the Law of the Land. Apply the law judiciously. Its now a life or death issue and OUR right to keep and bear arms without infringement must be OUR highest priority.

      There is no Plan B.

      We are the generation of Americans who must keep America free by keeping Americans armed. Its up to US. If not US, who? If not now, when?

      Make every ballot count. Vote.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        buying as many ballots as we possibly can…

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Spent yesterday casting a few .22mag ballots at the okie compound/tactical training course (otherwise known as the back forty). That little John Wayne looking revolver sure makes a sweet sound! Yee haa! It’s stress relief at 130 decibels…

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        • clint hospo says:

          that sounds good smokie! glad your having some fun. what powder are you using with that?

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        • Smokin,

          Did some of that last sunday, those little 22 sure are fun to shoot, but of course boys will be boys so yepp got some bigger stuff out too. Nothing like the smell of burnt powder. Hope all is well at okie acres.

          Standing by in Texas,

          DPS

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      • Highspeedloafer says:

        I have many stored votes and when the time comes I plan to make every one of them count. I also have many voting machines and am looking at a couple of new ones. I like the way you think DK.

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    22. Walt Kowalski says:

      Off topic but…..

      Here’s old Beelzebub himself.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9825687/Barack-Obama-provides-landing-pad-for-fly.html

      (note: literal meaning of Beelzebub is “Lord of the flies”)

      And we all know what flies are attracted to.

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      • Rick:) says:

        Zero’d right in on Shithead.

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      • krispkritter says:

        A cowboy from Texas attends a social function where Barack Obama is trying to gather more support for his gun grab.
        Once he discovers the cowboy is from President Bush ‘ s home area, he starts to belittle him by talking in a southern drawl and single syllable words.
        As he was doing that, he kept swatting at some flies that were buzzing around his head.
        The cowboy says, “Y’all havin’ uh problem with them circle flies?”
        Obama stopped talking and said, “Well, yes, if that’s what they’re called, but I’ve never heard of circle flies.”
        “Well Sir,” the cowboy replies, “circle flies hang around ranches. They’re called circle flies because they’re almost always found circling around the back end of a horse.”
        “Oh,” Obama replies as he goes back to rambling. But, a moment later he stops and bluntly asks, “Are you calling me a horse’s ass?”
        “No, Sir, ” the cowboy replies, “I have too much respect for the citizens of this country to call their President a horse’s ass.”
        “That’s a good thing,” Obama responds and begins rambling on once more.
        After a long pause, the cowboy, in his best Texas drawl says, “Hard to fool them flies, though.” ;}

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    23. TnAndy says:

      If voting made a difference, it wouldn’t be allowed.

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      • durango kidd says:

        You must vote. By ballot or bullet but you must vote if you want to live in a Free America as a Free American according to OUR God given right. WE must defend that right.

        Divine Providence is with US. Engage. Vote.

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    24. Feisty Old Broad says:

      Does anyone remember the days when we had “civil defense”? I was kinda young, but I remember all the drills …but, more importantly, I remember the sense of community…and, we the People were a part of the training to protect and defend…..far cry from what we have today….no one knowing anything and left to “surmise” whatever “threat” is out there….be it a natural disaster, or worse…. WE just do not know! AND that is what makes for stress…and illogical thinking…be observant, be awake, be calm, be the person you ARE….and do not buy into the mass media “insanity”…if any event comes to pass, then you will be far ahead of others who “trust and believe” that the gov’t will be there to be of assistance….Have Faith…in yourself and your ability to “fend for yourself and your family”…..and if you believe in God, pray…..
      Be well, be attentive to your surroundings

      and May God Bless US
      fob

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    25. Emily says:

      @Satori ~ Thanks for posting the NY gun law.
      I go over to Jims Survival Blog, but had not
      been over there lately.
      After reading the “Limitations,” I am now more
      Ticked Off than Ever. I really hope that Cumo
      can be stopped, or this law be stopped, somehow,
      someway. I live in Upstate N.Y. and again, this
      is such a knee-jerk, foaming at the mouth,
      hysterical, punitive gun law. I have a few elderly
      relatives I have to be there for, otherwise,
      I would be moving somewhere where earth meets sky,
      and the right to be armed was sanctioned.

      @ Be Informed ~ Good Point, why the Rush???
      What are they keeping the people from seeing or
      focusing on?

      @ Santori @ Big Sis’s warning sounds ominous.
      What do they know that the people don’t know?

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    26. Domestic enemies of the United States are making a frontal assault on the 2nd Amendment. These are the real criminals! Not the ones these tyrants hope to criminalize by the passing of these un-American laws!

      Many have said, “When guns are outlawed, I will be an outlaw.” I prefer to ask, “Should anti-American politicians be successful in passing un-American laws against the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, will I remain a patriot true to the founders intent or become a patsy for the criminal regime that is intent in harming our great nation?” Should these tyrants outlaw guns, I won’t be an outlaw even though I retain mine. Should they successfully incarcerate me because I patriotically chose to ignore their anti-American laws, I will be a political prisoner not a criminal prisoner and outlaw. This is also how I will view any and all of you who patriotically choose to continue to respect the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution should any of you also end up being incarcerated.

      After first sending His disciples out with nothing(Mark 6:8), Jesus then said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22:36

      If you do not possess a weapon on the “proposed” ban list, I suggest doing your patriotic duty and acquiring one ASAP.

      Jesus also said, “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.” Whatever caliber you choose, I also suggest acquiring a weapon not on the list that uses the same ammunition so you can have plausible deniability should the situation warrant it in the face of the enemy.

      Fight Smart! Prep Right! “FSPR”

      Time for vespers. ciao!

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    27. rockymtn says:

      Oh boy…just a rambling timeline….jobs to chna less and less work in the us….manufacture almost nothing…too many ppl unemployed…us oweing big time $$ to chna…turn off nor ad…chna has low flying planes able to fly to us with no detection….america unarmed…no defense against an invading army

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    28. Andrew says:

      bad news preppers… the girlfriend of 2.5yrs just left me for some dude in a band. Good news…instant double preps now.

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    29. SmokinOkie says:

      Just saw the ‘fly’ pictures of Obama over at Drudge. Now, for some reason I have this mental image of the hand of God holding a HUUUGE flyswatter over DC. Is it just me, or do y’all feel a breeze?

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      • Hi Smokin,
        Ya know what attracts fly’s right…

        I never seen it stacked that high…;)
        It is also a spiritual clue, the man is true evil, look at the eyes.

        I want me one of those assault weapons… I guess I’ll have to wait until I get to take it off the dead body of a JBT or Blue Helmet…

        Hope you’re well dude, haven’t talked lately..

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        • SmokinOkie says:

          Good to hear from you Piper. By a strange coincidence, I recently had a student driver with some world views that were uncanny for their resemblance to yours. No need to derail the topic here, but he reminded me of much of what I’ve seen over at your site! (I still get over there often myself)
          Also, he told me about the Bessler wheel. Now that looks fascinating!
          As for the current, nonstop assault on our Constitution, I hope it’s not as bad as my gut tells me it is. I need more time to prep. Still, like most of the people here at shtfplan, I’m staying as ready as possible.
          Meanwhile, the search for truth goes on. The propaganda machine still spews out daily doses of BS, and the free citizens of America move to DEFCON 4 (or is it 6? 8? I’ve lost track!)
          All the best to you. -okie

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      • Feisty Old Broad says:

        Yup, Okie….the breeze is a-comin’….there is a reason that flies seem to love obama….this is the second “fly” photo op……third one may be the LAST one….if ya get my drift….
        fob

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        • Feisty Old Broad says:

          And, so that others do not misunderstand me on that….I mean that I believe that flies tell true tales….and that they are attracted to “that which smells” and the third time the stench will be smelled throughout the land….meaning, the people will understand – finally – what is going on….
          fob

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    30. braveheart says:

      BI, please refer to my comment #1064750 in the Missouri article. That is what I believe is behind this rush to disarm us; there could be some other motives as well, but I think that Chinese agenda is the primary one. It’s possible they’ll invade with whatever troops are already here, plus from mexico and Canada, and maybe strike our forces in the Asia-Pacific region simultaneously. Maybe even attacked in the Middle East at the same time? i think we’re all in for SUPREME SHTF! The biggest and worst events any of us will ever experience in our lives. Time is running short. Everyone get everything you need now while you still can. Braveheart

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      • clint hospo says:

        i dont think a invasion is going to happen here. i think a major war in iran/israel russia etc and economic problems and then riots here and we the people shooting at our under-trained under staffed national guard. we have the advantage for knowing our areas and homes vs someone comming in to try and disarm a few homes or even one. it takes over a dozen men just for one house. imagine a whole neighborhood with people banned together. they will tell the feds to leave and leave us alone or we will be “drawing” and you will lose and they know it.

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        • TRUTH says:

          Remember we were never indebt to a communist country either. Never say never.

          Not one more inch by any of these dems.

          THE DEMS ARE REALLY SOCIALIST COMMIES…

          We’ll use the FEMA camps for them…

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        • Rick:) says:

          Drones. Can’t stop thinking about those drones. I keep seeing images in my mind of real time surveilance of targeted areas, with infrared as needed. With IR, they will even know how many and location inside a house.
          Thoughts,please.

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          • Eagle eye says:

            No they won’t. IR cannot see through walls. I say that based on many years driving IR equipment. Hell, it cannot see through windows either. Stop watching TV, and movies designed to fuck with your mind and do some serious research.

            It can only see differences in temperature, and body heat in the middle of a room will not change the temperature on the outside of a dry wall sheet, let alone the outer cladding 4″ away from it.

            If you are really ocncerned stay away from the walls and insulate your house, which is smart anyway cause it keeps the power bills down.

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          • The big impediment to the drone fleet will be funds. Mass non-compliance, a few brutal, high profile raids, cops find themselves targeted by the lunatic fringe (on the job AND at home), the economy hits the skids hard, our creditors decide USA is no longer “good for it”, and the money river dries to a trickle. Just like USSR, USA’s trillion dollar hardware goes on the auction block for whatever it will bring, and just like USA did in the 90s, China et al scoop up bargain-priced intelligenceand hardware. Remember the Soviet “loose nukes”? USA’s episode will be even more embarassing and damaging.

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    31. TRUTH says:

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    32. TRUTH says:

      So Obama an these congress jews bought by the banks have tried to disarm us…
      But the exact opposite has gone down.

      LOVE FREEDOM.

      We’re all on the same page.
      Live in peace, vote and be patriotic.

      Fuck with America…you fuck with the 100 Million gun owners.

      I bet the Average NRA members has at least 1,000 rounds.

      WE LIVE IN PEACE..AND THEY LIVE IN FEAR OF US!
      THAT’S THE WAY THE FOUNDING FATHERS WANTED IT.
      THINK ABOUT IT.

      2ND BABY!

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      • clint hospo says:

        I DONT THINK THEY FEAR US I DONT THINK THEY REALIZE THE SERIOUSNESS ABOUT TO UNLEASH BY US IF THEY BAN ANYTHING IN ANY STATES EXCEPT NY AND CA. IF ANYTHING SPREADS PAST THOSE STATES IT WILL BE A WAR. SHE CAN SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DIE. SHE IS MESSING WITH PEOPLES LIVES. IF WE DIDNT HAVE THE CONGRESS THEY WOULD BE BANNED. SHE NEEDS TO DRIVE OVER A CLIFF AND BAN CARS IN HER TOWN. GOD SHE IS NUTS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FIGHT YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR OUR RIGHTS. ANYONE WHO TRIES TO INFGRINGE ON OUR RIGHTS SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IMMEDIATLY FOR ABUSING THE LAW AND OUR RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION THE STUPID BITCH. I CANT STAND HER.

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    33. Satori says:

      don’t worry
      be happy

      it’s not gun control
      it’s gun safety

      http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/24/biden-its-gun-safety-not-gun-control/

      “Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that he views the administration’s efforts to reduce firearms violence as gun safety – not gun control”

      Biden ended his remarks
      ““Write your congressman,” Mr. Biden said as he wrapped up his chat.”

      don’t worry douche bag
      I already have

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    34. SmokinOkie says:

      Did anybody mention this already? If it’s already been discussed, forgive me. But, concerning the move to allow women in virtually all frontline positions in the US armed forces: If an actual revolution begins in America, isn’t it possible that one of the benefits for the PTB is that some citizens will be less likely to fire on soldiers if there are women among them? Just a thought…

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      • Rick:) says:

        I won’t…….be less likely.

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        A prez to all—except you, and you… You there.

        Hey you! out there in the cold
        Getting lonely, getting old, can you feel me
        Hey you! Standing in the aisles
        With itchy feet and fading smiles, can you feel me
        Hey you! don’t help them to bury the live
        Don’t give in without a fight.
        Hey you! out there on your own
        Sitting naked by the phone would you touch me
        Hey you! with your ear against the wall
        Waiting for someone to call out would you touch me
        Hey you! would you help me to carry the stone
        Open your heart, I’m coming home
        But it was only a fantasy
        The wall was too high as you can see
        No matter how he tried he could not break free
        And the worms ate into his brain.
        Hey you! out there on the road
        Always doing what you’re told, can you help me
        Hey you! out there beyond the wall
        Breaking bottles in the hall, can you help me
        Hey you! don’t tell me there’s no hope at all
        Together we stand, divided we fall.

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      • asian prep says:

        thought about this too when i read it. that may be but if they come kicking my door down to drag our asses to some camp then no. i would have no reservations firing. they’re following orders and i’m protecting mine. one of us will have to go.

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      • KySSG says:

        Bingo! Damn Smokin, didn’t know you read minds. Just thinking the same thing as I was reading through the comments. Another thought I had, maybe they know they’ll suffer massive amounts of casualties when things kick off, and are wanting all the warm bodies they can get. Hmmm . . . I call that a “target rich” environment.

        Went into overdrive on the prepping. Spending the monopoly money as fast as it’s made. I do believe the event to kick off the festivities is just around the corner.

        My wife said today, “You have a lot of ammo, honey. When are you going to stop buying it?”

        My answer. “When they stop making it.”

        No quarter given here. This is one old vet who is not going to hesitate to do what’s needed when the time comes. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!

        Okay. On a lighter note . . .

        A burgler enters a home when the owners are away. He makes his way through the home, picking up a few items and stuffing them in his loot bag. As he enters the livingroom he hears a small voice say,

        “Jesus is watching you.”

        The thief whips his head around, but can’t find the source of that voice. He continues grabbing items, and once again the voice comes,

        “Jesus is watching you.”

        Frustrated, the thief clicks on a light and searches the room. He finds a parrot in a cage in the corner.

        “So,” the thief says as he walks over. “I guess you must be Jesus.”

        “No,” the parrot replies. “I’m Moses.”

        The burgler chuckles. “Really? What kind of people would name a parrot Moses?”

        The parrot eyes him. “Why, the same people that named their pit bull Jesus.”

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      • wendy says:

        Women can be meaner than men,if it happens, and they
        ( men or women) fire on the public they would get the same as anyone

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      • Eisenkreutz says:

        Of course. Thats the whole point.

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      • roger says:

        if she points a weapon in my direction, she shall get her ass capped and reap the whirlwind…
        you all better get your mind right, the blue helmet brigade would probably put girls out front hoping we won’t shoot. bad call fool………..

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      • Id have to shoot anyone who would threaten me or mine regardless of their sex…no way I want to put down a womans ability to fight in combat,some would do better than some guys…call me old fashioned I just have a hard time with it…not so much them that want to and can…but just with the fact that we are now living in a time and place where its actually applauded…war is hell,history has taught us that women and children almost always bear the brunt of the worst war has to offer…I was raised different…to protect and defend the ladies and kids…it seems to me its a reflection on the culture…a coursening from what we were, and I cant help but think theres an ulterior motive on behalf of TPTB to get us used to the idea and then one day draft our girls right along side our sons…I dont want em doing that to my sons and even less to my girls…sorry I just dont trust them and I cant shake that uneasy feeling about it…thats just me,folks can think what they want…

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    35. Make no mistake patriot these serpents and scorpions know exactly what they are doing. It is going to take every ounce of strength, all your ingenuity to make every action count. Pray God will always go before you and lead you according to his wisdom. The battle is joined let the fainthearted remain and take no part. Remember your integrity and do not become like them. Remember valor and may God smite your enemy in the hinder parts and throw them into utter confusion. Grant Oh Lord confusion in the midst of their camp.

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    36. Ted Kennedy says:

      guns/ammo…….down to the last shell. The other PM.

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    37. Smitty says:

      Let’s examine what we know. Over the last 4 years, weapons have been flying off of the shelves. Not hunting rifles, but legitimate weapons of war. Americans have also purchased record amounts of ammunition as well. These purchases have not been from survivalist types, but by first time buyers who seem to sense something is coming. Is it?

      Somewhere in the last 5 years or so, Americans began preparing for war. There have been many euphamisms for this preparation. TEOTAWKI, zombie apocalypse. Whatever you want to call it, it is real. For all of our complaining about “sheeple”, I have seen a huge awakening in the last 5 years. People know something is very wrong, and are quietly taking steps to make changes. Most won’t jump. That would be idiotic. But the large scale delegitimization of the Federal Govt. has begun. Gun laws? What gun laws? Who’s gonna enforce this nonsense? The Feds? The military? The UN? The Chinese? I am not trivializing any of these theories. But the bottom line is that whoever wants to disarm us has to take a lot of real estate to do so. They would be doing so against a very ticked off American populous. They better be prepared to sacrifice a hell of a lot of people to make this happen.
      They won’t have the initiative. This isn’t their homeland. This is somebody else’s conquest. My home, family and person will be defended. Those who would seek to disarm me are treasonous. The majority of Americans feel this way. No amount of propaganda will change this. What has changed is that many of us see them for whom they are. They are playing their cards way too early. This is a good thing that will only benefit all of us.

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      • Smitty,

        The recent sales of guns and ammo can only be seen one way.
        This is not a country panic buying because of a gun ban, No sir what we are seeing now is a Nation preparing for a War..

        Hold your gound,

        DPS

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        • asian prep says:

          people may not speak of it but you are spot on. i think they are underestimating the number of individuals who are ready for a war. should have let the sleeping dog lie. at the end of the day, whatever color is on the outside, WE ALL BLEED RED.

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        • MXLord327 says:

          The gov’t will never start a war by going ahead with forced confiscation, they would lose the support of the public. They will get rid of guns the same way they have taken over society, slowly, incrementally. I am sure this law will pass, maybe not this time but in the next few years definitely. This is their trial balloon. If they have the support of the majority of the sheeple, it will become law. If not, a new smear campaign full of false flag attacks, propaganda, and indoctrination will be the course of action. Once it is passed, they will not go door to door for years. Anyone with any mental condition will be disarmed. Anyone convicted of any crime worse than spitting on the sidewalk will be disarmed. Taxes will be raised on guns & ammo. More “gun free zones” will pop up. PR campaigns designed to turn the sheeple against gun owners will be run. Eventually gun owners will be equated with Hitler, neighbors will be paid to rat them out. Then when they feel they are safe, the outright ban will be passed. In 2 more generations, there will be no more gun ownership. It’s a bleak next 10 to 40 years, at best.

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          • MX,

            Sup fellow motocrosser hope all is well with you. I believe they will not get every thing in this bill and thats not their goal. Its like selling a car you always ask to much so you can drop your price right? Here is what they want,
            Bans of standard capacity magazines,
            A national gun registry, Taxing Semi auto’s
            Tracking, limiting sales of ammunition, or stopping online sales of ammunition
            If they end up getting those then it snowballs.

            DPS

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    38. Ted Kennedy says:

      Define sufficient ammo.

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    39. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      Warrants for the arrest of these anti-Americans attempting to violate the 2nd Amendment should be issued! What part of shall not be infringed do they not understand? Are senators (Dianne Feinstein) immune from obeying the laws of the land? If they can’t respect the basic laws our founders laid down, why should we respect any laws they create?

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    40. KorHi says:

      The hell with them getting mine. My weapons what ever those may be are a investment, fun toys, and a 85 year life insurance policy.
      Im so tired of hearing about gun control. Im ready to put up or them to shut up.

      Nobody is going to register or give up anything. What a waist of time.

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    41. I run across these the other day and something about it makes me read it everyday now.

      Written by Bob Owens,

      We live in dangerous times.

      The only rational response to such dangerous times and a rogue government is for a people to arm itself against the creeping tyranny, as Americans have done in the past four years, and especially these recent weeks as petty tyrants seek to squelch the greatest threat threats to their existence, and desires.

      In 1799, Founding Father Tenche Coxe wrote in the Philadelphia Aurora as tensions rose between Federalists and Republicans:

      Do you wish to preserve your rights? Arm yourselves. Do you desire to secure your dwellings? Arm yourselves. Do you wish your wives and daughters protected? Arm yourselves. Do you wish to be defended against assassins or the Bully Rocks of faction? Arm yourselves. Do you desire to assemble in security to consult for your own good or the good of your country? Arm yourselves. To arms, to arms, and you may then sit down contented, each man under his own vine and his own fig-tree and have no one to make him afraid….If you are desirous to counteract a design pregnant with misery and ruin, then arm yourselves; for in a firm, imposing and dignified attitude, will consist your own security and that of your families. To arms, then to arms.

      No man wants war, but only a man blind to human nature and the history of nations would not prepare himself for it now.

      Tyranny approaches.

      We live in dangerous times.

      Before you sleep tonight give your family a kiss hug your wife or your girlfriend as we are living in dangerous times..

      DPS

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    42. Anonymous says:

      1672.10

      They are still giving it away, if you have the fiat.

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    43. fiftyfiver says:

      Thoughts from my BOL in the hills: What is the REAL PLAN? This BS noise about gun control is just a distraction from what TPTB agenda is. Think about it – They must want us armed and ammo’d up NOW and we are following the plan perfectly. IMHO they want the Helter Skelter civll war to cut the population in half and Insure Their Complete Control via Martial Law. No efforts to create jobs/fix economy is the big orange light flashing – they just plan on reducing the population to get the employment numbers. They are counting on us making the next move and it sounds like the mindset is there via manipulation. WE ARE BEING DUPED PEOPLE ! I salute you who are about to –resist.

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    44. Bimbam says:

      These guys want you DISARMED SO BAD! You have to ask yourself why they use language like “…20 babies killed..”.

      They PROMOTE abortion, even late term abortion yet they refer to the fake Sandy Hook victims as “babies”.

      They are trying so hard, so, so, hard to disarm us that somethings wrong here. Why? You gotta keep asking yourself, why? Why do they want you disarmed so bad???

      I think we all know the answer. HERE’S WHY:

      True Indian Story:

      About 150 years ago Mexicans traveling through Indian country with their families when Indians showed up. The Indians fearing the armed Mexicans made a deal with them. They approached peacefully and unarmed and told them if they gave their weapons to them (rifles, pistols, etc.) they would leave them alone and they could go on their merry way.

      The Mexicans believed the Indians and handed over their weapons. Shortly after, the Indians tied the Mexican men upside down on their wagon wheels and burnt them alive, ravaged and scalped the women, slaughtered the children and ate the food the Mexicans had with them.

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    45. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      WHY/ WHEN YOU “SHOULDN’T” CALL 911 THE POLICE …

      You’re sound asleep when you hear athump outside your bedroom door.
      Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
      At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

      How guns will be outlawed in the USA, it’s already been used elsewhere

      http://dprogram.net/2013/01/23/how-guns-will-be-outlawed-in-the-usa-its-already-been-used-elsewhere/#more-123619

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      • Nino,

        I read this story a couple of yrs ago, and figured thats how it will begin. You and I have the same problem. To much digging for the truth. Alot of folks don’t even know that we already have German troops here NOW. If they would just do a search for ( German Troops in New Mexico ) and read the interviews they would find out this truths. For me the base stated is only 4 hrs from me.

        Very Dangerous times we live in.
        DPS

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        • Germans, UN Blue Helmets, and other non American JBT’s… I can shoot without remorse, from 800 yds.

          You don’t hear about the Winchester .270 much… fine sniper rifle from Vietnam days, it was my daddy’s…

          Works real good, but kicks like a mule.
          That’s why I like the AR-15 platform… recoil springs.
          You can shoot lots of rounds without breaking your shoulder. As I said, I guess I’ll have to wait to pick one up from a JBT body.

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      • BadAmerican says:

        @NinaO:

        Piper Mike has it spot-on:

        Shoot
        Shovel
        Shut up

        The best rule of threes– The three S’s

        “bugs and worms gotta eat too”…..BA.

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        • Sad… ain’t it?
          That we would have to sink to that level,
          neat thing is… on my property I got this big long ditch… been filling it in from the end, every pet that dies, just have to shovel a little dirt on ‘em.
          Still got plenty of dirt, and a short drag.

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    46. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      Film: War by Deception 2013

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSifMddGf8&feature=player_embedded

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    47. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      An EMP False Flag? – James Corbett

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaDA0q-wq6Q&feature=player_embedded

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    48. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      Foreign Agents: The Zionist Organization of America

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GauZzyiwPh8

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    49. Zoltanne says:

      The gun grab isn’t just about anti-Constitutional control in the US. Gun control is part of the NWO agenda and the assault will be seen through legislation and gun control compliance through manufacturing, shipping, etc.

      This was just written by an acquaintance and a small manufacturer:

      “New Twist on exporting: Have been exporting for about 25 years. We have a 100% compliance rating with Customs and State Department. I say that to preface what i am about to write. Exporting has not been easy but it goes well as long as all registrations are done and both sides do their paperwork. A few years ago I ran into a problem exporting into Spain-they had the proper import permit and I had proper export permit but the shipment was seized as Spain postal service does not allow any firearms to travel through postal service. We got that one worked out. Now many nations through the UN want world gun control. they can not make it happen through a treaty so far. So, now Germany and Italy have joined Spain disallowing any firearms parts to be received by mail (or at least any requiring a permit which is just about everything except rings and bases). UPS, FEDEX and DHL for years have not accepted those type of shipments. So essentially those countries are off the list of exports from other countries defacto. Spain, Italy and Germany still issue the import permits-but without a means to get the product there it is meaningless.

      So, beware–the USPS could decide the same thing with NO legislation! “

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      • Sounds like a possibility for a new business, like they say fill a need where a vacuum has been made.

        Im thinking more locally , here in the USA..sorry but I could care less what goes over or from another country, Im all about what is going on here..( not digging at your job or anything) Just pointing out , if they ( the shippers) decide to not ship arms parts or ammo here, We the free American Patriots will find a way.,, the Ameican way.

        Fuck their Legislation..from where I stand..paper and ink doesnt stand up well to hot lead.

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    50. The Veteran says:

      Least we “NOT” forget The Battle Of Athens Tennessee !

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oyz9QW-PX4&list=UUN4mNOILNXaEAx979f_ndcw&index=1

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    51. pale rider says:

      Have you gotten your new Rifleman from NRA?
      If so, have you read “SIEGE?”
      Please do if you haven’t. Even MORE surprises!

      They might even push through a Shotgun CHANGE!
      That meaning, anything over 28 ga. will be treated just like a Class III and you have to go through all of it INCLUDING the $200 for each gun of course.
      Ya, you will have to go through all the paperwork & red tape & waiting and pay $200 EACH for every shotgun you own “NOW”!

      This also includes SHOTGUNS YOU ALREADY OWN!!! Even that ole single shot Grandpa gave you or anything like that!

      I think they REALLY WANT to start a Civil War! Fuck Em. Bring it on.

      All “I” want is to live in peace and quiet out here, bother nobody and nobody bother me. They just keep PUSHIN though.

      Pale Rider

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      • roger says:

        I was wondering what took them so long to figure out the pump shotgun. It can have its magazine reloaded while in battery. Fire 2 rounds, chamber round 3 and stuff 3 shells in the mag while taking a bead on the next target without missing a beat. awesome……;)
        by the way, register nothing, no background checks, no way.
        resist

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    52. Satori says:

      you’ll love this

      Presidents Packin’ Heat

      Ronnie Raygun ain’t messin’ around !!!

      Obama and Biden ???

      the pics speak for themselves

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/photos-presidents-guns#13591177915711&action=collapse_widget&id=3223070

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    53. The Veteran says:

      Hey folks, I’m proud to say that my Sheriff in Desoto County Mississippi (Bill Rasco)
      ‘WILL NOT” enforce a gun ban on his watch…..! Hooray, there is HOPE.

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    54. AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot says:

      So you want Americans Guns ??? Molon Labe ~ NWO NJO ZOG Zionist Freemason Jesuit American Traitor Scum , not on my Watch !

      The True World History of what happened After gun registration was made Law … the confiscation was next, then Government DickTator DemoCide … human genocide followed against those who gave up their guns to those with the guns … (Turkey, 1915-20) by ISmail Enver1 ,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20) Everyone knows about the Nazi Holocaust directed against Jews, Gypsies, politicals agaist Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 13,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians deliberately killed in WWII plus 3 million Russian POWs left to die), IN (Cambodia, 1975-79 by POL POT, 1,700,000 campaign against all educated and intellectual persons .

      But official campaigns designed to exterminate all the people in a given group were also carried out in the Soviet Union by Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 20,000,000 (the gulags plus the purges plus Ukraine’s famine), in China Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) between 49 to 78,000,000, in Guatemala by Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 100,000 a (against the Indian population), in (Uganda, 1969-1979 under the brutal regime of Idi Amin
      300,000 in (Rwanda, 1994) by Jean Kambanda 800,000

      The total death toll from these episodes of officially-sponsored mass murder? About 120,000,000 million human we’re exterminated unable to defend themselves during the 20th century .

      … this is why you don’t give up your U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEED 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS once FREE AMERICA !!!

      THIS IS WHY WE WILL SOON HAVE TO FIGHT TO PROTECT THOSE AMERICAN NATURAL BORN RIGHTS !

      PREPARE !

      ~N.O. ;0p

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    55. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/feinstein-gun-control-bill-exempt-government-officials_697732.html

      The government gets to keep their guns under Fienstiens bill, it’s just you adn I who can’t have them

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    56. the police are arming their cars with their own AR’s…..of course it is to protect them against bad guys……I think not!!!!

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/24/iowa-police-department-seeks-to-arm-officers-with-semi-automatic-ar-15s/

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    57. OBAMA COMMIE CURRENCY DEBT CRASH says:

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fed-s-holdings-us-govt-debt-hit-record-1696691000000-257-under-obama

      So when the currency crashes…all those nice folks from the inner cities will pour into the burbs to look for food.

      Commie plan… bankrupt capitalist nation with debt. Raise taxes.
      Then when everyone is poor they vote socialist.

      I DON’T SUPPORT DEMS IN ANY WAY.

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    58. FeelsAlone says:

      The entire “argument” by non-gun owners only shows how irrational and illogical their thinking is. They have “gun paranoia” because they’ve never touched a gun in their life. They apply their irrational green love to an inanimate object and turn it into hate and abject terror. LAME!

      And is anyone questioning allowing women into combat? I think they better be pretty BIG women because I can’t imagine them being able to perform in battle, carrying all that gear, the same as a man – even a small man. I’m a woman – but I can’t effectively compete with a man. Maybe on ‘roids I could. Women’s liberation sure has done a lot to elevate us. WOW! Is this tied in anyway to military being willing to shoot citizens?

      Can it get any more strange?
      Also – what is this gun smoke screen covering up?
      I hear Greece continues to go nuts. TPTB don’t want us paying attention to that because we might learn something. Like how to confront a government when they continue to put endless austerity upon its citizens.

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      • KySSG says:

        FeelsAlone,

        It does feel as if there is a coverup. Have you heard of the “imminent threat” of a cyber attack?

        The following taken from Yahoo News:

        WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned on Thursday that a major cyber attack is a looming threat and could have the same sort of impact as last year’s Superstorm Sandy, which knocked out electricity in a large swathe of the Northeast.

        Napolitano said a “cyber 9/11″ could happen “imminently” and that critical infrastructure – including water, electricity and gas – was very vulnerable to such a strike.

        “We shouldn’t wait until there is a 9/11 in the cyber world. There are things we can and should be doing right now that, if not prevent, would mitigate the extent of damage,” said Napolitano, speaking at the Wilson Center think tank in Washington and referring to the September 11, 2001, attacks.

        Napolitano runs the sprawling Homeland Security Department that was created 10 years ago in the aftermath of September 11 and charged with preventing another such event.

        She urged Congress to pass legislation governing cyber security so the government could share information with the private sector to prevent an attack on infrastructure, much of which is privately owned.

        A cyber security bill failed in Congress last year after business and privacy groups opposed it. The measure would have increased information-sharing between private companies and U.S. intelligence agencies and established voluntary standards for businesses that control power grids or water treatment plants.

        Business groups said the legislation was government overreach. Privacy groups feared it might lead to Internet eavesdropping.

        New cyber legislation is being considered, but it is unclear whether it will get through the gridlocked Congress.

        President Barack Obama is expected to soon issue an executive order that would set up a voluntary system to help protect some critical infrastructure and offer incentives to companies that participate.

        But without a new law, companies cannot be granted any kind of legal immunity for sharing information with the government and within the industry about potential threats.

        Officials have pointed to recent hacking attacks on U.S. banks as a sign that the cyber threat is real and growing.

        “The clarion call is here and we need to be dealing with this very urgently,” said Napolitano. “Attacks are coming all the time. They are coming from different sources, they take different forms. But they are increasing in seriousness and sophistication.”

        It’s easy to predict a threat of that magnitude, when you are the one most likely behind it. A distraction, sure.

        “Look here! No, wait, look here! And here!”

        TPTB know something’s coming.

        FeelsAlone. An interesting choice of handle. I believe we all, to some degree, feel alone in facing what is coming down the line. I do also believe when the time comes to stand up and defend our way of life, our freedoms, vets such as myself, and all other freedom-loving Americans, will stand up and do what has to be done.

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      • The women in combat thing has been tried. It has a detrimental effect on the men near them as the natural protective instinct takes over. Sorry, but nature didn’t get the memo and can’t keep up with the PC rules. Women today have gotten what (some of) their mothers demanded, and most are pissed about it. No real woman wants to entrust her child to a stranger every day so she can be “independant”.

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      • Wait till their daughters have to register with selective service. I’m sure the wheels are already in motion on that lawsuit. “If my son has to register, so does your daughter”.

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    59. Fort Drum brass destruction threatens reloading supply and more

      “At Fort Drum, brass from expended ammunition is processed through a brass deformer machine located at the transfer station,” the description continues. “The deformed brass is purchased by a scrap metal vendor who reports the weighed amount to the QRP [Qualified Recycling Program] Manager. The proceeds from the sale of the scrap metal are deposited into the designated QRP account.”

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    60. SidDavis says:

      Here is a very good, but lengthy write up on the intent of the 2nd amendment:

      http://www.guncite.com/journals/vandhist

      In summary, both Federalists and Antifederalists believed that the main danger to the republic was tyrannical government and the ultimate check on tyrannical government was an armed population. Federalists and Antifederalists disagreed, however, on several issues. First, they disagreed as to whether sufficient checks and balances had been placed on the proposed national government to control the danger of oppression. Second, the Antifederalists believed a bill of rights should be incorporated into the Constitution to guarantee certain rights. The Federalists argued that such a bill of rights was unnecessary because the power of the federal government was restricted to the grant of authority provided by the Constitution. There was no need to provide exceptions to powers not granted. Further, the Federalists argued that providing exceptions to powers not granted was dangerous because it could encourage a claim that powers not expressly stated had been granted. Again, both sides not only agreed that the people had a right to be armed, both sides assumed the existence of an armed population as an essential element to preserving liberty. The framers quite clearly had adopted James Harrington’s political theory that the measure of liberty attained and retained was a direct function of an armed citizenry’s ability to claim and hold those rights from domestic and foreign enemies.

      Unfortunately there is a segment of today’s population, both citizens and politicians alike, that believe that whatever the majority vote is OK, and the Constitution is meaningless.

      The division we have in the US is between those who believe in freedom and those who endorse subjugation. I fear this will come to a violent resolution, as it should, more likely sooner than later.

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    61. Interesting to note that the proposal from the Dems states that government officials can possess guns. Nice.

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    62. KySSG says:

      In case you haven’t read Joe Biden’s latest idiotic comment to gun-owning Americans, here it is. I would just put a link, but it takes a while to clear mods.

      From Yahoo News:

      Are you looking into buying an assault weapon for protection after a devastating natural disaster (or the coming Zombie Apocalypse) plunges society into deadly anarchy? You’ve got it all wrong, Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday: Get yourself a shotgun.

      Biden, doing a Google+ “hangout” to promote President Barack Obama’s proposals for battling gun violence, had been asked whether a new assault weapons ban might infringe on the Second Amendment rights of those who want one “as a last line of defense” to fend off looters after “some terrible natural disaster.”

      “Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the outspoken vice president, a shotgun owner himself, replied. “It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”

      With the fate of Obama’s gun violence proposals unclear in the face of stiff opposition from most Republicans and some Democrats, Biden urged supporters of ideas like imposing a new assault weapons ban, limiting ammunition clips to 10 rounds and toughening background checks to pressure their elected representatives. “This town listens when people rise up and speak,” Biden said.

      Like Obama before him, the vice president emphasized that he’s a firm believer in the Second Amendment—but compared proposed new curbs on assault weapons to keeping fully-equipped F-15 fighter jets off the market.

      “You have an individual right to own a weapon both for recreation, for hunting and also for your self-protection,” he said. “But just as you don’t have an individual right to go out and buy an F-15—if you’re a billionaire—with ordnance on it, just like you don’t have the right to buy an M-1 tank, just like you don’t have a right to buy an automatic weapon” you should not be able to get other weapons for which there is “no reasonable societal justification, or constitutional justification.”

      Biden noted that “it’s not about keeping bad guns out of the hands of good people, it’s about keeping all guns out of the hands of bad people. There should be rational limits.”

      One of Biden’s questioners asked why, if they’re rational, there’s the lack of political will to enact them.

      Biden paused, then said he would have to watch his words. “Both left and right sometimes take absolutist positions,” he said.

      The vice president emphasized that the administration was not calling for armed guards in schools, a proposal recently floated by the National Rifle Association. Instead, schools would have the flexibility to hire a uniformed guard, armed or not, if they so desired.

      But Biden warned it would be a “terrible mistake” to arm school staff. “The last thing we need to do is be arming schoolteachers and administrators” who may not have firearm training, he said.

      **************************

      Heaven forbid we properly arm the people who look after our children.

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    63. Just wondering something here folks, In the areas which you live have they been testing the emergency broadcast systems??? I ask because for the last 2 days here they have been, very strange. Most times the sound the alarms only on Fridays.

      DPS

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      • KySSG says:

        Nothing here yet, DPS. Been watching things around here very closely for anything, ANYTHING, out of the ordinary.

        I want to put it out there for everyone. If you hear or see anything unusual, let us know about it. Info is vital. We don’t have the infrastructure and resources that they do, but we have people on the ground everywhere, who know what the normal patterns in their areas look like.

        I don’t like it. Just too many little things going on all at once.

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        • KySSG,

          Yes sir gotta keep an eye on everything now days, Around here we get so much military air traffic its hard to say whats what. Plus we have the osprey plant close by so I see those flying every day. But the alarm thing sure caught my attn. BTW thank you.

          DPS

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          • KySSG says:

            Thank you ,for what, sir?

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            • KySSG,

              First thank you for sharing any intel you might recieve as I will do the same.
              second thank for your serving our Great country.

              DPS

              Btw had alot of touch and go’s here at our airport today, and by a lot I mean all day long. ven had some of the big planes practicing.

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      • FeelsAlone says:

        Nothing resembling that yet in the “left” SW…

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        • Feelsalone,

          Btw your not alone :) what state? I’m in TX panhandle area. Its very important at this time to keep all eyes open and share with others. I figure soon after the first conflicts in the NY area they will be knocking out sites like these.

          DPS

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    64. JayJay says:

      New York Sen. Greg Ball called upon citizens to “cancel their subscriptions” to the Journal News, the outlet that has controversially printed the names and addresses of pistol permit holders.
      Ahhhh, poor Journal News lost 75,000 subscriptions??

      Link below.

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    65. Mr UnConstitutional is at it again..A federal appeals court on Friday invalidated President Barack Obama’s “recess” appointments to a labor board last year, ruling that the move was unconstitutional and dealing a blow to Obama’s strategy of bypassing Senate Republicans.

      when are we going to order him out?…its getting to the point where its passed being rediculous

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    66. OBAMA COMMIE CURRENCY DEBT CRASH says:

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/

      Did you ever notice how inner city folks…that code… ha
      Walk in the middle of the streets in bad areas.

      Seems these types just don’t want to follow the rules.
      Here’s another one…see the link.

      Funny how we elect a guy to lead the world…and he can’t follow the rules.

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    67. Nick 86 says:

      Mac, although I love your site, it appears that the quote by George Washington that is written here is not accurate, it appears to be taken out of context and even has erroneous words added. Just thought you should know.

      http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/ref/blfirstsou.htm

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    68. mmadeel says:

      scortched earth policy. destroy everything. make everyone suffer.

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    69. Lady of the Lake says:

      I’ve been a reader for a while now — I thank all of you for your information on preparing for the journey ahead, and for your thoughts on the events currently pressing down on us.

      I’m getting as ready as possible for this journey, psychologically as well as in terms of storing food, water, and other essential supplies and in terms of acquiring the skills that will be needed when and after the SHTF. I won’t go down easily or quietly. My father, a career naval officer who served 3.5 terms in Vietnam as a River Assault Group commander in the Mekong Delta and 40 years overall, taught me everything he knew about surviving and about guerilla warfare. He also taught me everything he knew about the (first) Revolution, the Founding Fathers, and his educated anticipation that in my lifetime I’d likely be forced to fight for my country and my Constitution. At 50-some I may be older now, but I’m still my daddy’s daughter, and I’ll do him proud if push comes to shove.

      And I’ll be honored to stand with all of you.

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    70. FeelsAlone says:

      @ KySSG,

      I read constantly about cyber threat attacks, especially on the banks. Another smoke screen for something other? Not to mention all the crap with deposits I’ve read about on here.Nothing like whipping us all into a frenzy, right?

      I’ll go ahead and share a little about myself because this is what I’m seeing with people…
      I preach to all my patients that everyone is under a constant state of stress these days. (I’m a DOM – aka licensed acupuncturist). Graduated (AA, BA and a masters) when all the stupid financial stuff was foisted upon us…so needless to say building a cash practice hasn’t been easy where I live. Many people are already stressed out and many feel like something is going to happen. They’re not all tuned in to websites like this….and the couple that are make for great conversation. But I feel their stress coming off them like a life-threatening fever….it’s that sad. I do what I do and help them cope.

      I think our collective heads are being spun on purpose – I don’t know and can’t guess what that purpose is exactly but you and the folks on here feel it in their gut even when we take off our tinfoil hats.

      I think the more they keep us divided the more damage TPTB can do in the background. Just a hypothesis.

      Oh and I haven’t heard anything on the EM broadcast here – on radio. We pretty much watch movies and nothing on broadcast.

      I’ll post whatever strangeness happens here but I’m in a weird state anyway. (neighbor to Texas).

      over and out…FA

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    71. greg says:

      what’s all this talk about the constitution? the genius george w. bush informed us all that the constitution is just a piece of paper! why all the fuss?

      and maybe we should consult the palestinians whether or not to own guns. they’ve had a lot of success throwing rocks at people with guns and tanks and jets and rockets and cluster bombs, and on and on and on. get the picture? only a fool would listen to these crooked, lying, stealing, corrupt, self-serving politicians! all of the mo-fo’s need to be water boarded, since it’s not torture. and maybe for once we can get down to the truth!

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    72. Cali Look Out says:

      Observations in LA/Inland Empire–off topic but wanted to give a regional outlook for fellow patriots across USA.

      First time poster long time lurker. Shortage of ammo in my local areas of Big 5 (sporting goods store), local Walmart has very low stock of them and rationing with two box limit of any ammo/caliber.

      Went today at local Big 5 and asked for a Ruger 10/22 magazine. Orig is out of stock but had 2 aftermarkets left. Clerk advised me to take both just to have them. Forecasting that they may not be staying in the shelves and restocked for a while. Their sign outside of the store apologized for having no .22 or .223 available.

      Local Vets are staying vigilant. Working to increase NRA memberships at local gun shows. This weekend’s Gun Show will be in Orange County. Suppose to have lots of attendees.

      Local Gun Range is busy any day of the week. Awake population seems to be increasing but still outnumbered by California zombies.

      As for decaying neighborhoods. More and more begging for money. Noticing a lot of petty crimes of snatching people’s purses inside local Targets and Grab and go crimes at Radio Shacks and drug stores around here. Now and then, I bring my stun gun or pepper spray while walking about the neighborhood. Area is not feeling safe and had been fortifying the condo lately.

      Standing by here in Cali- apologies for our Senate Reps. They are douche bags and we all don’t come that way.

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    73. Off Topic;

      Just watched BOOM TOWN on Sean Hannity (Fox)
      WOW… ya gotta watch this.

      Avg Fed salary now; $120,000 a YEAR…
      They don’t care about anything but their own bennies and shuffling money.
      D.C. has become Tammany Hall, business is booming, largest per capita sales of FINE WINES… Maserati’s…

      While we, our children and their children, eat shit and die to pay for it.

      ARGH! GOD, DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL.
      I’m about ready to lace up them boots.
      Its real close to just standing them up against a wall.

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    74. Singer says:

      I don’t know if anyone has already said this. I didn’t want to go through all 300+ comments.

      The George Washington quotes are bogus! He did not say either of them.

      The Patrick Henry and James Madison quotes are real.

      It does not help our cause when we use misinformation to support our point of view. We would jump on it, if we knew the opposition was using bad information, so we shouldn’t do it either.

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      • Nick 86 says:

        Singer, I realized that the Washington quote might be bogus too, and said so in my comment above. You are absolutely right that this does not help our fight. Misinformation must be avoided at all costs. I hope Mac is more careful next time.

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    75. 20,000 leagues says:

      An armed nation is a strong nation. An armed populace is an unbreakable union.

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    76. Mike L says:

      It’s very simple. If they want to take away the 2nd, we want the 1st removed too. So those idiots will be shut up, or jailed.

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    77. Ben Anderson says:

      That’s a bogus quote, BTW. It sounds good, but George Washington never said it.

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