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    DHS Insider Report: Coming This Spring: “Life for the Average American is Going to Change Significantly”

    Doug Hagmann
    December 28th, 2012
    Northeast Intelligence Network
    Comments (506)
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    SHTFplan Editor’s Note: The following interview is both informative and terrifying, and essential reading for anyone concerned about what comes next.

    What the DHS Insider suggests is about to happen is exactly what many of us fear – a police state takeover of America, with urban centers to be pacified first, all outspoken critics of the government to be silenced, and travel restrictions across the United States to come shortly thereafter.

    The dollar collapse, riots, the mobilization of domestic law enforcement, gun control, rationing of food and gas, suspension of the U.S. Constitution and a complete lock-down of America as we know it. According to the report, sinister forces within the U.S. government operating at the highest levels of our country’s political, financial, intelligence and military hierarchies have set into motion a series of events that will leave the populace so desperate for government intervention that they’ll willingly surrender their liberty for the perceived security of a militarized police state.

    Interviewer Doug Hagmann cites an anonymous source operating deep inside the Department of Homeland Security, which may leave many skeptical of the accuracy of the reports. But the fact is, were such events being planned behind the scenes we certainly wouldn’t be given official mainstream warning. If real, the report is a game changer, and it makes sense that anyone privy to such information would want to keep their identity hidden. Whistle blowers in America who expose the corruption of officials in our government are treated not as patriots, but as traitors, and are often branded as psychos or terrorists.

    What’s most alarming is the speed at which these events may play out.

    The latest from “DHS Insider”
    (This is the complete interview from The Hagmann and Hagmann Report)


    23 December 2012: After a lengthy, self-imposed informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known as “Rosebud” emerged with new, non-public information about plans being discussed and prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying and prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not sanctioned by the executive office – the latter of which there are many.

    Due to those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of caution to avoid compromising a valuable line of communication until he had information he felt was  significant enough to risk external contact. The following information is the result of an in-person contact between this author and “Rosebud” within the last 48 hours. With his permission, the interview was digitally recorded and the relevant portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format for easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs and are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance purposes.


    The following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated discussion:

    DH: Do I have your permission to record this conversation?

    RB: You do.

    DH: I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why you’ve been so quiet.

    RB: As I told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began to happen before the election and have continued since. Odd things, a clampdown of sorts. I started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that shook me up. I’m not the only one, though, that found a [REDACTED], so this means there’s surveillance of people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this cloak and dagger stuff for this meeting.

    DH: I understand. What about the others?

    RB: They are handling it the same way.

    DH: I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information to Ulsterman. Are you?

    RB: No, but I think I know at least one of his insiders.

    DH: Care to elaborate?

    RB: Sorry, no.

    DH: Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?

    RB: Yes.

    DH: Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I printed what you said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.

    RB: You’d better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of the events leading up to the election. I think you’ll find that a full blown campaign of deception took place to make certain Obama got back into office. The polls, the media, and a few incidents that happened in the two months before the election. I guess if people are looking for some big event they can point to and say “aha” for verification, well then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they are being lied to.

    DH: What specific incidents are you referring to?

    RB:  Look at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of racism. Then look at the polls, and especially the judicial decisions about voter ID laws. Bought and paid for, or where there was any potential for problems, the judges got the message, loud and clear. Then look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the Republicans. Nothing. His second term was a done deal in September. This was planned. Frankly, the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election day. Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be implemented.

    DH: What’s going on now?

    RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.

    DH: Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.

    RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years – decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.

    DH: So, what are you seeing at DHS?

    RB: We don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting –  as well as a country. I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of view, from what I am seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it seems that Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed] up. This really went into high gear since the election.

    But it’s a train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at the lower levels. A lot of police departments are being gifted with federal funds with strings attached. That money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than it can be counted. They are using this money to buy tanks, well, not real tanks, but you know what I mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.

    By the way, there has been a lot of communication recently between Napolitano and Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being planned right now. This is so [deleted] important that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you get nothing else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the gun confiscation begins.

    DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?

    RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?

    DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.

    RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.

    And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.

    Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.

    They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.

    DH: New federal gun laws?

    RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.

    DH: Sure

    RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.

    DH: Another shooting?

    RB: Yes.

    DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.

    RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.

    DH: Are they? Were they?

    RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.

    DH: So…

    RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.

    Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top of the list of people to be handled.

    DH: Handled?

    RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.

    DH: Will this happen all at once?

    RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.

    DH: Wait, this sounds way, way over the top. Are you telling me… [Interrupts]

    RB: [Over talk/Unintelligible] …know who was selected or elected twice now. You know who his associates are. And you are saying this is way over the top? Don’t forget what Ayers said – you talked to Larry Grathwohl. This guy is a revolutionary. He does not want to transform our country in the traditional sense. He will destroy it. And he’s not working alone. He’s not working for himself, either. He has his handlers. So don’t think this is going to be a walk in the park, with some type of attempt to rescue the country. Cloward-Piven. Alinsky. Marx. All rolled into one. And he won’t need the rest of his four years to do it.

    DH: I need you to be clear. Let’s go back again, I mean, to those who speak out about what’s happening.

    RB: [Edit note: Obviously irritated] How much clearer do you want it? The Second Amendment will be gone, along with the first, at least practically or operationally. The Constitution will be gone, suspended, at least in an operational sense. Maybe they won’t actually say that they are suspending it, but will do it. Like saying the sky is purple when it’s actually blue. How many people will look a the sky and say yeah, it’s purple? They see what they want to see.

    So the DHS, working with other law enforcement organizations, especially the TSA as it stands right now, will oversee the confiscation of assault weapons, which includes all semi-automatic weapons following a period of so-called amnesty. It also includes shotguns that hold multiple rounds, or have pistol grips. They will go after the high capacity magazines, anything over, say 5 rounds.

    They will also go after the ammunition, especially at the manufacturer’s level. They will require a special license for certain weapons, and make it impossible to own anything. More draconian than England. This is a global thing too. Want to hunt? What gives you the right to hunt theiranimals? Sound strange? I hope so, but they believe they own the animals. Do you understand now, how sick and twisted this is? Their mentality?

    The obvious intent is to disarm American citizens. They will say that we’ll still be able to defend ourselves and go hunting, but even that will be severely regulated. This is the part that they are still working out, though. While the plans were made years ago, there is some argument over the exact details. I know that Napalitano, even with her support of the agenda, would like to see this take place outside of an E.O. [Executive Order] in favor of legislative action and even with UN involvement.

    DH: But UN involvement would still require legislative approval.

    RB: Yes, but your still thinking normal – in normal terms. Stop thinking about a normal situation. The country is divided, which is exactly where Obama wants us to be. We are as ideologically divided as we were during the Civil War and that rift is growing every day. Add in a crisis – and economic crisis – where ATM and EBT cards will stop working. Where bank accounts will contain nothing but air. They are anticipating a revolution and a civil war rolled into one (emphasis added by this author).

    Imagine when talk show hosts or Bloggers or some other malcontent gets on the air or starts writing about the injustice of it all, and about how Obama is the anti-Christ or something. They will outlaw such talk or writing as inciting the situation – they will make it illegal by saying that it is causing people to die. The Republicans will go along with everything as it’s – we have – a one party system. Two parties is an illusion. It’s all so surreal to talk about but you see where this is headed, right?

    DH: Well, what about the lists?

    RB: Back to that again, okay. Why do you think the NSA has surveillance of all communications? To identify and stop terrorism? Okay, to be fair, that is part of it, but not the main reason. The federal agencies have identified people who present a danger to them and their agendas. I don’t know if they are color coded like you mentioned, red blue purple or peach mango or whatever, but they exist. In fact, each agency has their own. You know, why is it so [deleted] hard for people to get their heads around the existence of lists with names of people who pose a threat to their plans? The media made a big deal about Nixon’s enemies list and everyone nodded and said yeah, that [deleted], but today? They’ve been around for years and years.

    DH: I think it’s because of the nature of the lists today. What do they plan to do with their enemies?

    RB: Go back to what Ayers said when, in the late 60′s? 70′s? I forget. Anyway, he was serious. But to some extent, the same thing that happened before. They – the people on some of these lists – are under surveillance, or at least some, and when necessary, some are approached and made an offer. Others, well, they can be made to undergo certain training. Let’s call it sensitivity training, except on a much different level. Others, most that are the most visible and mainstream are safe for the most part. And do you want to know why? It’s because they are in the pockets of the very people we are talking about, but they might or might not know it. Corporate sponsorship – follow the money. You know the drill. You saw it happen before, with the birth certificate.

    It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective. They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are the people who have to worry.

    Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses, do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.

    DH: That’s disturbing. Do you… [interrupts]

    RB: Think about the Oklahoma City bombing in ’95. Remember how Clinton blamed that on talk radio, or at least in part. Take what happened then and put it in context of today. Then multiply the damnation by 100, and you will begin to understand where this is going. People like Rush and Hannity have a narrow focus of political theater. They’ll still be up and running during all of this to allow for the appearance of normal. Stay within the script, comrade.

    But as far as the others, they have certain plans. And these plans are becoming more transparent. They are getting bolder. They are pushing lies, and the bigger the lie, the easier it is to sell to the people. They will even try to sell a sense of normalcy as things go absolutely crazy and break down. It will be surreal. And some will believe it, think that it’s only happening in certain places, and we can draw everything back once the dust settles. But when it does, this place will not be the same.

    DH: Will there be resistance within the ranks of law enforcement? You know, will some say they won’t go along with the plan, like the Oath Keepers?

    RB: Absolutely. But they will not only be outnumbered, but outgunned – literally. The whole objective is to bring in outside forces to deal with the civil unrest that will happen in America. And where does their allegiance lie? Certainly not to Sheriff Bob. Or you or me.

    During all of this, and you’ve got to remember that the dollar collapse is a big part of this, our country is going to have to be redone. I’ve seen – personally – a map of North America without borders. Done this year. The number 2015 was written across the top, and I believe that was meant as a year. Along with this map – in the same area where this was – was another map showing the United States cut up into sectors. I’m not talking about what people have seen on the internet, but something entirely different. Zones. And a big star on the city of Denver.

    Sound like conspiracy stuff on the Internet? Yup. But maybe they were right. It sure looks that way. It will read that way if you decide to write about this. Good luck with that. Anyway, the country seemed to be split into sectors, but not the kind shown on the internet. Different.

    DH: What is the context of that?

    RB: Across the bottom of this was written economic sectors. It looked like a work in progress, so I can’t tell you any more than that. From the context I think it has to do with the collapse of the dollar.

    DH: Why would DHS have this? I mean, it seems almost contrived, doesn’t it?

    RB: Not really, when you consider the bigger picture. But wait before we go off into that part. I need to tell you about Obamacare, you know, the new health care coming up. It plays a big part – a huge [deleted] part in the immediate reshaping of things.

    DH: How so?

    RB: It creates a mechanism of centralized control over people. That’s the intent of this monster of a bill, not affordable health care. And it will be used to identify gun owners. Think your health records are private? Have you been to the doctor lately? Asked about owning a gun? Why do you think they ask, do you think they care about your safety? Say yes to owning a gun and your information is shared with another agency, and ultimately, you will be identified as a security risk. The records will be matched with other agencies.

    You think that they are simply relying on gun registration forms? This is part of data collection that people don’t get.  Oh, and don’t even think about getting a script for some mood enhancement drug and being able to own a gun.

    Ayers and Dohrn are having the times of their lives seeing things they’ve worked for all of their adult lives actually coming to pass. Oh, before I forget, look at the recent White House visitor logs.

    DH: Why? Where did that come from?

    RB: Unless they are redacted, you will see the influence of Ayers. Right now. The Weather Underground has been reborn. So has their agenda.

    DH: Eugenics? Population control?

    RB: Yup. And re-education camps. But trust me, you write about this, you’ll be called a kook. It’s up to you, it’s your reputation, not mine. And speaking about that, you do know that this crew is using the internet to ruin people, right? They are paying people to infiltrate discussion sites and forums to call people like you idiots. Show me the proof they say. Why doesn’t you source come forward? If he knows so much, why not go to Fox or the media? To them, if it’s not broadcast on CNN, it’s not real. Well, they’ve got it backwards. Very little on the news is real. The stock market, the economy, the last presidential polls, very little is real.

    But this crew is really internet savvy. They’ve got a lot of people they pay to divert issues on forums, to mock people, to marginalize them. They know what they’re doing. People think they’ll take sites down – hack them. Why do that when they are more effective to infiltrate the discussion? Think about the birth certificate, I mean the eligibility problem of Obama. Perfect example.

    DH: How soon do you see things taking place?

    RB: They already are in motion. If you’re looking for a date I can’t tell you. Remember, the objectives are the same, but plans, well, they adapt. They exploit. Watch how this fiscal cliff thing plays out. This is the run-up to the next beg economic event.

    I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring. Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals, when they dip. It will be a good indication that things are about to happen. I got that little tidbit from my friend at [REDACTED].

    NOTE: At this point, my contact asked me to reserve further disclosures until after the  inauguration.

    Copyright Douglas Hagmann.


    Douglas J. Hagmann and his son, Joe Hagmann host The Hagmann & Hagmann Report, a live Internet radio program broadcast each weeknight from 8:00-10:00 p.m. ET.

    Douglas Hagmann, founder & director of the Northeast Intelligence Network, and a multi-state licensed private investigative agency. Doug began using his investigative skills and training to fight terrorism and increase public awareness through his website.

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    1. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Surprise, surprise.

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      • Be informed says:

        All it takes is a false flag or some real natural disaster to start this up. One reason why I try to give everyone a head’s up on the earthquake forecasting. You know what worries me the most and is one of the easiest insidous plans that the government could do is to let loose a plague. There are all sorts of mutated viruses that could just be blamed on nature. Anyone desiring the cure or a vaccine against something worse than smallpox would have to turn in their firearms and totally comply with anything else.

        I have thought and thought about what could the government do to obtain most if not all guns, and this is one of the most horrible scenarioes to think about. These bastards could even spray the air to make sure everyone is exposed. Then when you see your skin start swelling up and turning purple like rubber, almost everyone would be willing to do anything to get the cure or at least treatment. Sounds like something from a science fiction novel doesn’t it? Unfortunately it would work all to well, and something that personally terrifies me because I think any government is capable of such a crime against humanity act.

        I don’t mean to frighten people, but this is one reason that people need to know how to protect themselves the best they can against a natural or manmade pandemic. Many people even if they get ill can fight off MOST viruses if their immune system is high enough. People have lived through Ebola and Marburg for example that have 75-90% fatality rates. I think one item that EVERYONE should have plenty of is Beta-carotene, Vitamin A. The animal based Vitamin A damages the liver. Also know fully how to decontaminate themselves and items around them.

        IF you were the head of the evil organization to enslave humanity what method would you use to obtain everyone’s firearms and make the population mind slaves to you? On top of that thin out the population to desired levels. <strong<Seriously everybody, the old adage "know your enemy" applies here. Can anyone else think of any other almost full proof method of easily taking over than an engineered plague. If you can, I and others would like to know so we can at least think about how to prepare for it.

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        • lonelonemum says:

          N.Korea leads the world in virus/genetic bio research. The ONLY reason it hasn’t yet got a “Central Bank”, despite being on the “axis of evil”.

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          • pup says:

            Sorry for the accidental down arrow. My bad. One observation about this “source” being quoted. Remember what he said about infiltrating message boards…what if this guy is also some kind of pys-ops guy, with a mission to put all sorts of misinformation out there to confuse, out, intimidate, or discredit the people who may otherwise make trouble…just a thought.

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            • durango kidd says:

              You are exactly right PUP. I have NO doubt that this “source” is a plant. He gives no actionable intelligence only propaganda to sow fear and soften up the “resistance”.

              DHS cannot disarm American citizens. Neither can the Congress. Its impossible if Americans resist. Weapons are an intrinsic right. Americans are voting with their wallets right now. Guns and ammo have been flying off of the shelves for years!

              If only 10,000 American gun owners resisted a ROGUE Administration that tried to take OUR guns, the Internet would EXPLODE with scenes of the violence encouraging other Patriots to act.

              Soon the carnage on both sides would be soooo pervasive that the Government could not justify their leadership and moral authority. any government that turns its weapons upon it’s citizens is not worthy to lead them.

              This is the process that brought down Mubarak and Daffy Gaddaffi; and it is the process that is being used to justify replacing Assad.

              The action of American PTB to make guns illegal and then violently try to confiscate them when guns are a constitutional right of every Americans justifies the labeling of any ROGUE Admin as TREASONOUS and requires a violent response.

              NO administration could illegally ban guns in America and withstand the moral outrage, violent carnage, and political response of 100 million American gun owners who hold the future of America in their hands.

              No one lives forever. Any day is a good day to die, if necessary, in the defense of the US Constitution and the real America.

              Engage these MF’s or be enslaved by them.

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Thank you, Daisy, for your earlier comment. Sorry to leak it over here on this thread, even though this thread is related, but I didn’t want my “thank you” to get buried among the 500 messages :-)

                I have never condemned what a person cannot control. People cannot control their parentage, race, or place of birth, but people certainly CHOOSE and are ACCOUNTABLE for what they BELIEVE and what they DO. I have been scrupulously careful to criticize wicked behavior and wicked belief, things that people have CHOSEN to believe and CHOSEN to do. I do not hate innocent people. I hate EVIL. I condemn all Master Race creeds, Nazism, KKK, and Judaism included and I condemn all wicked behavior, including swindling and genocide that are inspired by such creeds.

                It is not only Zionism and Communism, the secular offshoots of Judaism, that are problematic. Judaism and its Kaballistic necromancy are VERY problematic precisely because of their “only Jews are human” and “the [i]goyim[/i] exist only to serve Jews” and “kill the best of the Gentiles” creed, especially because it has been put into DEADLY global action through their banksters, financiers, and genocidal policies and especially since Jewish politicians are putting their totalitarian Master Race plans into effect HERE and NOW in the USA.

                There are indeed people born into such beliefs who have rejected the Master Race creed and they are NOT the problem. It is the Lenins, Trotskys, Kaganovichs, Netanyahus, Rothschilds, Warburgs, Feinsteins, Schumers, Nadlers, Bloombergs, Liebermans, Reids, Levins, Blitzers, Perles, Chertoffs, Goldmans, Sachs, Schiffs, ADL, SPLC, AIPAC, etc. who ARE the problem, precisely because of their beliefs AND their actions—actions that threaten everyone of us now. Homeland security or Zionist bankster police state? Freedom or slavery? Alive or dead?

                Careful readers already understand that, but unfortunately there are lots of careless readers and lots of people programmed by the lifetime of propaganda in which they have been immersed by Jewish-owned media and their talking head accomplices who will never ask the meaningful questions, name the perpetrators, or offer real solutions to the actual problems. THAT is exactly why they must control the internet and must disarm us.

                I am gratified to see that you—and increasing numbers of others—have penetrated the propaganda. It is overdue to end ALL crimes against humanity, including the economic crimes against humanity. “Antisemitism” is no legitimate alibi for THEIR crimes against humanity.

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              • Jay in UK says:

                If anyone is a plant it’s you, advocating violent reprisals against the state. That’s exactly the sort of thing agent provocateurs will always do. This isn’t Molon Labe or Unintended Consequences; this is the real world with a switched on, clued up, massively resourced adversary taking the initiative against the American patriots with a view to their complete emasculation.

                Your enemy is not a bunch of lobotmised bureaucrats and bought-and-paid-for politicians; it’s an entire system, a mindset, the insitutionalised stupidity of a nation plugged into that system from birth. The only way to tackle the mob taking you on is to get your own preps made as discreetly as possible and get busy educating / informing anyone with an ear to listen because what’s coming for America is the mother of all psyops and the most important battlefield will be the hearts and minds of your people.

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              • ThreeToesKnows says:

                Well Said!

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              • durango kidd says:

                Jay In UK: That is the kind of cowardice that I expect from a vassel of the Queen. Americans are different. OUR Constitution is different, OUR culture is different, and WE are different.

                grow some fucking BALLS!

                Hope you are real comfortable there in the UK without any self defense while you are inundated by Sharia Law.

                Enjoy! :-)

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              • You make some good observations durango. I read through the whole interview yesterday. It is hard to close the gap on the majority of what was said. All plausible and possible if they can clear the hurdles you mention, and like you say: “no actionable intelligence” Except for one comment made: Have you been to the doctor lately? Asked about owning a gun? This is the second time I’ve seen this claim. It gave me mild trepidation on my 1st doctor visit to the VA btw wondering if it were true. I didn’t get asked on that visit or any visits since to VA or other doctors.

                So I wonder, is there anyone out there who has seen a doctor lately and has been asked about owning guns? Anyone? If there is no one, that seems to add even more credence to your statement: I have NO doubt that this “source” is a plant. He gives no actionable intelligence only propaganda to sow fear and soften up the “resistance”.

                Interesting times we live in non-the-less.

                As always for those who believe in God, it is time now more than ever to be serious about Ephesians 6:13 “Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.”

                and one more to keep in mind for these times: “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28


                ps Doug Hagmann is an interesting character. I wonder why someone like him wouldn’t close the gap on some of the presented facts for us who have less resources? You can’t get a copy of his book Tactical Surveillance from Amazon or his website.

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                • Debra says:

                  I went to the doctors a couple of months ago with my husband, it was his doctor. He rolled in a computer and laughed and said, it’s information needed for Obama. He asked a lot of questions…and one of them was, as he stated…”No kidding, do you own a gun??”

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                • comment2follow says:

                  Ok, a little late for this, but we are asked about guns in the home as part of an annual health questionnaire that is part of achieving “Gold” for my medical benefits thru work. I also work for local LIBERAL county Govt. in WA. I lie :)

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              • durango kidd,

                Very well said!

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              • Jay in UK,

                During the American Revolutionary War, only 9% of Americans actually picked up a weapon and engaged the British war machine. By some estimates, 50% of Americans (traitors) sided with King George III.

                Only 9% of Americans stopped the most powerful military machine in the 18th century! I think here in America today we have A LOT more than of Americans today who have had it up to here with Obama’s socialist, wealth distributing, debt ridden, social justice, collectivistic B.S. manifesto being rammed down our throats each day.

                When the SHTF, I’ll put my money down on good old fashion American patriotism to win the day.

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              • Dboy says:

                This article reads really strange to’s crafted. It’s just TOO PERFECT. Count me as a non-believer. The only question I have is, what was the motive for it? And we can’t really know that without knowing the origin. The writing pushes ALL the right buttons. It says what most of us here WANT it to say. It validates our fears…All I want to know is WHY. THIS IS AN INFORMATION WAR. Never forget that. Various entities have varying objectives.

                A few of you here will be happy to know that I’m going dark as of Dec 31. I don’t need a crafted transcript from a supposed DHS informant to tell me which way the wind is blowing.


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              • tayronachan says:

                @durango I agree. But why do or say things that would make Americans stock up on arms, ammo and food? That is weird, because everyone on earth must understand the psychology of your typical American. How stupid is that? Or, maybe a lot of people see what’s coming where the dollar is concerned? Of course that could be draged out for years yet. And while we don’t talk about it much, the US Constitution still means something to a lot of people. peace

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                • RedWhite&Blue says:

                  @tayronachan, this article was written by a very polished & skilled marketer to sell more product for their employer. Think of this as nothing more than modern day version of the soap opera meant to keep your attention while pushing you products between installments… nothing more, nothing less! Makes for fun reading if you are into this kind of conspiracy stuff… the crowd particpation makes it all the more compelling to stay tuned. Hmmmm, maybe I’m a plant ;^) LMFAO!

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              • John W. says:

                My guess after reading your post is that maybe you yourself are a plant or just stupid. Things are going to change starting after Jan. 20. The debt crisis will be pushed back until the Spring when it will return even worse than now. Think seizure of 401K and IRA accounts as a result of this. If the drought continues there will be serious problems with food not to mention if the Mississippi is still closed to barge traffic. All these will make the job easier to seize power. I have been telling all my close friends that this Christmas most likely will be the last normal one they may ever have. Collapse of the dollar will be the end game as no one will have enough money to survive with the price of a gallon of gas at twelve bucks a gallon.

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              • samuel spetzigue says:

                internet? there will be no internet.

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              • Jay in UK says:

                @ Durango and others: Why not just call me a gun-grabbing socialist as well and get all of the European stereotypes out of the way?

                As for being a “vassal of the Queen”… That would be you too since you live in a country owned by the global financial system headquartered in the City of London.

                Now let’s talk about cowardice and bravery. By your apparent definition, it’s brave to be the big man online and call for direct assaults against the government. By my definition, that’s plain stupidity when (A) you already live in an emerging police state where everything you say on the web or on the phone is monitored and recorded for keeps and (B) you chaps are the precise demographic the bad guys have been trying to brand as “terrorists”. All that lovely NDAA legislation, all the “Demand-A-Plan” propaganda from the useful idiots in Hollywood, all the TSA compliance, all the hollow points ordered by various departments, Main Core, FEMA camps… By way of reminder, that’s all for YOU. So if you’re languishing in a detention camp somewhere cut off indefinitely from everyone or anyone who could help as you await your execution for terrorist incitement on the net, what good would your bravado be then?

                When you lash out publicly with aggressive language, you are reacting in the way they expect, nay, wish for. It fuels their propaganda war against you and ostensibly justifies their actions when they kick your doors in in the middle of the night and drag you off never to be seen again. The term “National Security” covers a multitude of sins…

                Your enemy has studied every war, every civil conflict, every insurgency, every terrorist movement in history with intense scrutiny to learn, learn, learn from the mistakes the losing party made in every instance because this time they believe they must not, cannot be thwarted by anyone or anything. You therefore must assume the worst in every aspect of the situation you are facing, namely, that they are not one but many steps ahead of the patriots. That may be demoralising but actually, knowing this is better than blindly charging ahead like an enraged bull. The only way to stop – or slow down – what’s coming is to try to get as many people switched on as possible because as I’ve said before, it’s a war of mass perception. So get your own house in order, exercise self-control, don’t try to organise into groups (because that attracts attention and infiltrators), but get proactive in informing others. And above all, don’t be predictable in the face of provocation!

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Yes, Wild Goose.

                In the past such non-medical questions were seen as ethical “boundary violations,” but since the 90′s efforts to pathologize gun ownership, “own a gun” questions have been taught to medical students and physicians-in-training as standard intake questions. There is, of course, resistance by some physicians, but with increasing pervasiveness the question is seen on the intake questionnaires of Electronic Medical Record software, the permanent computer record of your medical care with your doctor.

                That information is usually sent with the bills that your doctor sends to your medical insurance company or the government “insurer.”

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              • Anonymous says:

                Would be funny if Putin sent Spetsnaz operatives here to train guerillas .

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              • durango kidd says:

                Wild Goose; I am not discounting DOUG. I am saying that the “source” is using DOUG to spread the DHS line with the intent to condition Americans to the idea that they HAVE to give up their guns.

                THAT is bullshit.

                The PTB can confiscate GOLD because it is not protected by the US Constitution. Possession of gold, as an example, is not protected by the US Constitution while guns are, and that’s the RUB.

                Americans must resist ANY form of legislation that INFRINGES upon OUR possession and use of all firearms. The Globalists are masters of incrementalism.

                Their goal in this round is just registration so they will call for a ban, settle for registration to create the idea that the FEDs can regulate guns, and leave gun owners with the idea that they are lucky to still have the right to keep and bear arms.

                Thesis, antithesis, synthesis yto achieve their goals. Americans must resist Globalism at all costs.


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              • durango kidd says:

                Jay in the UK: You are a gun grabbing socialist! Do you feel better now? I do!

                No, I am not a vassal of the Queen and I am not controlled by the Globalists in London. You are!!!

                As for the Queen, she walks several steps BEHIND the Mayor of London, while you kiss her ass! :-)

                No, I do not accept your propaganda that I must accept the worse. That is pure bullshit and id’s you as a troll. The folks who have been posting here for any period of time will tell you that I would see the glass half full if sitting on Death Row.

                You are not telling me ANYTHING of which I am not already well aware, yet my defiance persists and it is real. That defiance is shared by many tens of millions of Patriots, who like me: cling to OUR religion, OUR Constitution, and OUR guns!

                I do not underestimate the enemies of America, whether foreign or domestic. Neither should they underestimate US. United WE are INDIVISIBLE.

                (And they don’t which is why they pay trolls like you to spread their propaganda.)

                WE have the numbers. WE have the guns to defend the Constitution which is EXACTLY why OUR Founding Fathers insisted that OUR right to keep and bear arms “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”.

                Any Rogue Administration attempting to disarm the American people is not fit to govern US and they will be repudiated by the people. Any legislation introduced by the Left, will be opposed by the Right and if in fact some kind of legislation should manage to pass, incumbents will be repudiated by the People in the next election.

                Should Civil War result, many will die, the Rogue Admin will fall, and the Union will be preserved.

                Better to die in the flower of youth in defense of the US Constitution, than to live at ease like the Sheeple and die unloved and in chains!

                Engage My Peeps! 100 million Americans hold the future of this nation in their hands!!!

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              • Southern grannie says:

                My brother in law went to the doctor about four months ago and was asked. Truth. He came home and told us. He trusted his doctor and felt she was asking for safety…depression, children, etc. he told her yes and now regrets it.

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            • largetarget says:

              Rosebud, really might as well been redrum or deep throat.

              it’s a distraction from the coming gun control arguement

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            • Lanny says:

              Then read this 3 part series that came forward after seeing the above interview. Cites actual former Feds:


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            • DK, I salute you sir.

              UK Jay, you are correct. Its is the system. But, the problem is that system will attempt to disarm us. Its not only our right, but in many cases, our duty to defend the Supreme Law of the Land. No, its not government regulations. Those are not law, they are color of law. We have allowed this system to develop. Not one man or dictator but a whole bunch of little dictators that have oppressed us. They’ve lied their color of law rules into place and made us feel dishonorable for breaking them. It is coming to an end. Armed, we can resist. Unarmed, that resistance is much more difficult. Because the entire civilized world has maligned weapons of all types, they both fear them and are ignorant of their real advantages. And most people in your society have been programmed to believe its unmanly or even dishonorable to defend ones self. We see that as being “sheople”. That would be sheep walking upright, appearing to be men, but actually haveing the heart and mind of sheep.

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            • Bingo! Anyone who thinks these people haven’t included psyops in their plan is naive. No matter how much I may agree with any patriot group or blog I have no doubt thaty every single one is under active and/or electronic survailence if not outright infiltration for entrapment purposes. Be carefull, very carefull where and how you express your outrage.

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            • Anonymous says:

              What if you are the government plant… Just a thought.

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          • hughcapet says:

            …curious, why is former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson and Google founder Schmitt visiting North Korea today? He claims it is for “humanitarian reasons” if you can believe that!

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        • Federalist45 says:

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          • Stephen says:

            Sounds like an infiltrator right here.

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            • largetarget says:

              Paranoia the destroyer da da, da da, da da da na na,

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            • Gunsmith says:

              Stephen, you’re probably right about F-45.

              But as a refutation to his defeatism…I cannot help but wonder why, a bunch of peasants in Afghanistan have yet to be eradicated & pacified, via the worlds’ most fearsome high-tech gizmo warfare machine….

              …my conclusion gravitates to the obvious…

              …because the Afghans are PRO-ACTIVE!
              They’re not DEFENSE orientated…they prefer to ATTACK & KILL their adversaries!!!!

              Draw your own conclusions, folks.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Gunsmith: I agree. WE must be proactive!!! the G&L community represent only 3-4% of the general population but they are vocal and loud about it. Consequently they are getting what they want.

                100 million American gun owners represent almost 30% of the population and a much higher percentage of the eligible voters.

                Any career politician endorsing additional gun laws in America will be looking for a job rather quickly; or find themselves in a small minority that can Caucus in the G&L bathrooms of the Senate and House.

                Engage. Be vocal; be active; be loud!!!

                Death to TRAITORS!!! :-)

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              • Gunsmith says:

                @ DK (12/28/12 – 18:47hrs)

                Agreed sir!

                Took your advice, finally found a political group I can support (sorry, no names/titles now…see opsec).

                Whew!!! Took a long time(invested) to find! Damn near 100% vets too!!!!!!!!!!!!

                I know we argued/debated much in the past…but you were right, in the end…kept getting an urge….hearing a voice.


                Just out of curiosity….your not into voodoo dolls, casting spells & hocus-pocus shit, are you???
                —(humor w/ twilight zone music)—

                Thumbs up, bro!

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              • yental says:

                @ Gunsmith: Yep, WE ALL NEED a change of mind. Time for “offensive” tactical preparations vs. defensive. THEY are in a strictly “offensive” mode and WE need to not only match, but exceed that strategy. And you know exactly what I’m thinking.

                Waiting for that “knock/kick-down” at the front door is not going to “get-the-job-done”. Proactive is the only reasonable answer left. NOW, before this fantasy of “gun control mandates” has a chance to hatch.

                OUR possible reality has been defined by THEM. WE need to answer with an undeniable HELL NO! None of this qualifies as “conspiracy theory” anymore. If someone still cannot see the coming reality left unopposed, then those individuals will suffer every atrocity that has faced a “disarmed citizenry” throughout history.

                The “hammer” is raised over all of our heads. Rather than “duck-n-cover”…LET’S DESTROY THE HAMMER! It can be done, and it doesn’t require the majority of sheeple to be victorious.

                THEY expect US to comply. WHEN that fails…ALL bets are off. For those that still persist in perpetuating the government sponsored position that “we can’t possibly win”, YOU are willfully ignorant or YOU are one of them. In either case…YOU are irrelevant. Determined, intelligent, and coordinated right vs. might, WE WILL PREVAIL.

                Fear has no place in the coming conflict. A very small window of nonviolent, noncompliance yet remains. Personally, I have no faith in that response, but will support it if instituted on a large enough scale. BIG IF!

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              • John W. says:

                If you have to ask that question then you have no clue. Noticed the topography of Afghanistan? The fact that it is a strongly tribal country where loyalty is everything and betrayal means death? A country where the people live literally the way we did two hundred years ago when Americans were tough hard people who shot and prepared their food. Now compare that to the US where the average person cannot walk a block or miss a meal without complaining. Where most think the meat at the store is born in those little packages. My guess is that he is just posting reality not Rambo escapism.

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              • Gunsmith says:

                Yental @(12/28/12 – 20:39hrs)

                Hope you return to this thread/catch this post.

                Am confident we’ve both “war-gamed” this scenario manifold times, be it here, at work, amongst friends or at family gatherings.
                We know not what the near future brings….but if its what we expect(worst-case)…may GOD have point & our six!
                Then we do…what we must!


                To all……..

                Reference Chechnya, the IRA, victor-charlie & Rodger’s Rangers…plus others.

                Ever notice that throughout history, every credible/successful insurgency always went after the mid-level bureaucracy & bureaucrats of the OCCUPYING POWER?
                Especially those at the outpost offices/locations, spread across the country, as their primary objective/target!

                Ever notice that for the vast majority of time, said OCCUPYING POWER lacks/lacked the ability/resources to protect their mid-level bureaucracy/bureaucrats and hence…LOST!!!!!

                Probably the best documented examples of success lie with the Irish Republican Army(IRA) & the US “Operation Phoenix” program(see MACV).

                -(want a Phd. in guerilla-warfare strategy, study those two example, real hard!)-

                …per “Operation Phoenix” tactics…simply turn it against the OCCUPIER!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Do a web(bing/google…whatever) search for details.

                Call it…food for thought!



                GOD-speed & watch your six, bro!!!

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          • JayJay says:

            Federalist, I have given many hours to this line of thought.
            My one and only conclusion;
            It’ll NEVER happen like this.
            Say you target one metropolitan city; deaths and lots of them; how do ‘they’ eliminate the germ spread? the hygiene of all those dead, infected bodies without adding to the mess?
            Clear out the ‘safe’ people(those willing to succumb to pressure and turn in all guns)?? what if they miss several and one is their family?
            Burn them?? Dig holes?? Without being attacked?
            I just haven’t found a way to convince myself it will go down this way–germ warfare will require disposing of thousands- if not hundreds of thousands- of bodies.

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            • Jerry C says:

              @ JayJay, unfortunately, your question has a very easy answer: the PTB couldn’t care less on how ‘they’ eliminate the germ spread – especially if ‘they’ already have the vaccine… concerning the ”hygiene of all those dead, infected bodies… adding to the mess” – I’m confident that the PTB would say: “the worse it is – the better it is”.
              Don’t overlook the fact: the PTB DO NOT CARE! I strongly believe they have no intention of disposing of the thousands – if not hundres of thousands of bodies.

              If you leave all those dead bodies exposed to the elements of nature for a few years, nature will take care it for them, plus, in the mean time, the dead bodies will continue to have it’s desired effects on any survivors – even if (because of the exposure to the elements and the time factors) the yields will have diminishing returns…

              I still have to agree in large part with Federalist 45…

              Never underestimate the evil that dwells in the hearts of the PTB….

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            • Odrama the Douchd says:

              What about all those coffins in those fields outside big cities?

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            • glhutch says:

              @Gunsmith–I believe we should ALL sound the alarm when ANY govt. person/s comes into a neighborhood or community or onto any property uninvited. Especially armed and masked. This sets the tone of our disgust with them. This is very IMPORTANT! THEY ARE NOT WELCOME! UNLESS INVITED!

              We should have done this years ago.

              That is the way it should be! That they are now not welcome in our lives. We need to tell them to “GO AWAY”! We do not need them and we surely do not want them in our lives.

              Here is what I believe. We are ADULTS! ADULTS do NOT tell other ADULTS what to do! Only IF we agree! “THEY” cannot tell us what to do! We are not children! We do NOT agree! THEY ARE WRONG! WE ARE RIGHT! PERIOD!

              THEY will not like this. But they will try. So right here right now we must tell them to go to hell! This is it! We should have done this long ago. But it is NOT too late! We need to tell this corrupt, rotten govt. and ALL of it’s employees we will no longer pay them to continue what they are doing and to GO AWAY and leave us alone. We must disobey bad laws. Civil Disobedience is a well known and effective way to defeat tyranny. It works!

              WE REALLY DO NOT NEED THEM! What they do, private enterprise can do better and cheaper. I would hope people would learn through reading and finding out what life would be like with NO formal govt.! There are several good books written by brilliant men that will convince you of this idea. And if you think chaos, you haven’t even tried to understand this concept that I believe is the only way forward for living as free men.

              Because ALL govts. in history have ended badly. Every single one! We do not need govt. to live in peace. ALL wars are caused by GOVTS! We are capable of taking care of ourselves. We do NOT need some idiot in some office somewhere telling us what to do! Or what we can’t do! We are ADULTS! WE have common sense, THEY don’t and they sure don’t care what we think or how it affects us. Why do we put up with this idiotic situation?

              As sort of a call to arms, I propose we click our vehicle “panic buttons” as a call to assemble to the area where “they” are and raise holy hell! Yelling, blowing horns, video taping/filming and calling all media, friends, neighbors, family and anyone else we can think of and start raising hell. Exposure is what they don’t want. We must expose them!

              They will probably come at night with night-vision and IR and that is when we REALLY need to expose them and not just sit there waiting for something to happen. WE need to make it HAPPEN! We need a plan, a promise, to SUPPORT each other when there is trouble. We need lights and horns and sirens and noise and cameras to let them know we will not go quietly or willingly. Remember, they are coming to kill us if we don’t hand over our only means of defense for our families and our country! WE MUST NOT DO THAT! PERIOD!

              Does this sound worth doing? It may sound silly but I think it’s a start and I think it can set the tone of our anger and disgust and disrespect we have for these guy’s that say, “Man, I’m only doing my job!” No, what you did was fill out an application and got hired by one of the most corrupt govts. on earth! You have sold your souls. We were NEVER your enemy! Someday, you and YOUR families will pay a terrible price for inflicting pain and suffering on OUR families. Do not ever forget that.

              I am going to my neighbors and friends and family to see how many will feel up to doing this. Maybe not many. But one of my favorite quotes is:

              “All you can do is all you can do, but all you can do is enough!” We’ll see what happens.

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              • Gunsmith says:

                @ glhutch

                …and I will leave you with a quote to remember…

                “The only thing necessary for EVIL(tyranny) to triumph…is for good MEN, to do nothing!!!”


                The authors name escapes me at the moment, but he was/is right!
                Thumbs up to you…

                …and per your idea of “loud back-ground noise”, know this…
                …any diversion of enemy resources is worthwhile!!!

                “Cuz you never know who’s depending on it…for cover!

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          • Southpaw says:

            EMP levels the playing field. Know any Iranian rocket scientists?

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            • Southpaw says:

              Im replying to my own post to say READ THE LONG POSTS JUST DOWN THE PAGE. Well said gentlemen.

              ESSE QUAM VIDERI

              For those of us who don’t read Latin (and I don’t):

              “TO BE, RATHER THAN TO APPEAR”

              It is about to become extremely applicable to each of our lives. God Bless.

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            • John W. says:

              Actually a more localized EMP device can be mounted on a truck. no explosion just a massive collapsing electro magnetic field. Piece of cake.

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              • Gunsmith says:

                Hey John,

                Build the device…I’ll supply the truck, buy the gas…I’ll drive & I get to pick the TARGET!!!!

                You flip the switch!!!


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            • Freight85 says:

              An EMP would most definately level the playing field. The only problem I really would worry about is nuclear meltdowns.

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              • Southpaw says:

                I agree. I wonder if post-Fukushima the protection of American nuclear reactors has been upgraded to the point it could contain a meltdown? No guarantees I am sure, but weren’t the Japanese reactors designed to contain radiation after a meltdown? Maybe someone learned from the mistake.

                Either way, I’d take my chances getting radiation poisoning knowing the only weapons that work are the ones I can use (i.e. no satellites, drones, smart weapons, etc.). Otherwise (and I’m not military, so educate me)I would think the only hope of winning would be in very close combat to cancel out the effectiveness of air support. Can anyone offer a primer on guerrilla warfare tactics against modern weaponry?

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          • Bill says:

            Bring it!

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          • While it may be true that this government has all the high-tech weaponry and the man power, if the last few wars are any indication of the efficiency and effectiveness of our military then I think that they would really want to take a second thought about tackling an insurgency on the scale that would arise in this country. The War of the Flea is one of the most difficult wars to win and every military general knows that fact. Eventually, as more oppression occurs on the side of the official government forces, then the more they lose as more and more of the population becomes aware and supports the insurgency.

            To be sure, if you are a member of a known group of resistance, or if you have hunkered down to defend your self and property then you are a sitting goose, but what they (government) fears are those who are not members of known groups of resistance, who are not hunkered down in a defensive mode. What they fear is the invisible resistance fighter, the one that is mobile, that blends in with the sheep, but who, at a moment’s notice can take to task a military element, strike and then blend back in again without being noticed or exposed.

            Insurgency is a fearful thing to an established military, no matter how massive the military might be, for such an insurgency relies upon the inflexibility of the established military and indeed all the weaknesses that are exposed in such a military force by reason of shear size and complexity. Organized military force is like a slumbering giant, one that must consume a great deal of resources just to function, one that must maintain massive amounts of equipment just to wage a war…all of which are vulnerable to quick insurgent attacks.

            Additionally, the incredible vulnerability of the infrastructure that this country relies upon and therefore that the military would rely upon in the case of actions described in this article, are extremely exposed weaknesses. To think that this government, one that has not been extremely effective in putting down the a minor force such as the Taliban in Afghanistan, would actually have better luck putting down a massive, invisible insurgency in a country that is as heavily armed per-capita as the Afghan’s is a little beyond belief.

            It should also be noted that there is a substantial difference in the psychological culture of this country than other countries that have fallen under the weight of oppressive tyranny. This country, even thought the people might not be fully aware of the meaning of Liberty and Freedom, they are still emotionally tied to those concepts in ways that are so deeply ingrained that acts of an oppressive government would eventually be resisted on mass.

            It is also worthy of note that, based on evidence, cities, locales, even government can be brought to a stand-still upon mere threats. This is notable due to the fact that entire city blocks are closed, schools, companies and government offices closed and evacuated on threats called in or from even an odd looking package left in a particular location. The equation is filled with so many variables that in order for this government to maintain itself through such a time of chaos it would have to be completely restructured, the economic system would require a complete restructuring on a level that, to the best of my knowledge, would require decades just to make it semi-viable in order to support itself, much less a massive government oppression machine such as the one being asserted in this article.

            What I am saying is that, based on what I have witnessed over the last 60, nearly 70 years of my life, this government is inept, it is cumbersome, it is non-efficient, not extremely coordinated, nor does it appear to have the ability to adequately wage small wars in third-world countries, much less mount such a massive undertaking as to subdue the people of this country.

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            • Roger says:

              So, you’ve been around for nearly 70 years therefore you should have a pretty good feel for how difficult it will be for TPTB to go door to door and subdue America. I feel the same way however, I too have been around for almost that long and have developed a much different take. First of all, citizens in third world countries are used to adversity and hardship and they have little to nothing to lose by fighting an insurgency and everything to gain; Americans are used to having everything given to them on a silver platter. They have much more to lose and nothing perceivable to gain through their own ignorance. Over half this country receives some sort of check from the government in the form of: Social security; welfare; unemployment; local, state federal/military retirements; food stamps etc… It is very easy to subdue America. All they have to do is turn off the money. Crash the dollar; freeze your bank accounts; put a lien on your home; confiscate your retirement benefits (that’s the easiest one)… When you go to the hospital and try to use your wonderful Medicare card, it won’t work because you will have been flagged. After several months of no checks, no money in the bank and no food, and no government subsidized medical care, you will be more than happy to give them your guns, at which time they will show no mercy and probably either send you to a FEMA camp or summarily execute you on the spot. (There’s nothing better than using a resister to make an example of) All those that have made preparations for this type scenario will be demonized to the point where all they have to do is summarily execute half a dozen preppers to make an example out of them too and the rest of the country and all the other sheep will quietly bleat their way back into the fold. Happens every time. The concepts of rugged individualism, freedom, personal responsibility by preparation (preppers), and guns will be trashed by the media to the point where all of these concepts will, in the minds of main stream America, be synonymous with being a child molester or evil dope fiend. Americans today are nothing like pre-revolutionary war Americans and even they had their problems to the point of almost losing the war and failing to oust the British. They had the same problems with Congress and bureaucrats as we have today but on a much smaller scale. The biggest difference was they were much more capable of enduring hardship than Americans today. American’s today are soft and will capitulate quickly as soon as the electricity, food, water and medical care stop. I hate all this as much as anyone… just saying.

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              • tayronachan says:

                @Roger, 55yrs here. A lot of what you say is true. But gun and ammo sales are saying there are still a lot of people out there that take the Constitution seriously, and expect their Congressmen to do the same.

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            • Gunsmith says:


              I do not worry over much about having to trade incoming with the US military. Because the majority of the ground-pounding/infantry types, come from our areas…the RED-ZONE!!!
              Think hard about that.

              Yeah, you’ll see some E-1s/E-2s who’ll follow illegal orders…but once you hit E-5/E-6 levels & up… well let’s just say, there will be “sand tossed into the gears” and many ops will experience an intentional…Charlie-Foxtrot episode.
              The only stickler will likely be…the racial composition of the ops’ command structure. And I can deal w/ that!

              For the fearful & concerned types, know this…the initial enemy at the street level will be DHS/TSA jack-boots!
              They’re the ones whose focus is ‘totally domestic’. They’re the ones who ordered/stock-piled over 2billion rounds(assorted calibers)…FOR DOMESTIC USE!
              …and WE ARE THE TARGETS.

              …that said, per federal hiring guidelines…its likely that ‘affirmative action policies’ will endeavor to aid us in ways that I’ll leave to your individual imaginations!!! -(knowing grin)-

              When their shit-ops take too much flak…you’ll see other alphabet soup agencies commit!
              -(we’ll see how that works out soon enough-)

              IMO, the ones to worry about are, the cloak-n-dagger & silent/black-bag/all seeing/cataloging/monitoring types.
              Because they are an unknown quantity…of unknown allegiances.

              If the balloon goes up, folks…

              Pray hard & often.

              Then aim small…miss small.

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            • Patriot2013 says:

              Roger that, Patriot-in-arms

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            • Bob says:

              If the EBT cards stop working, the gimme crowd will turn on .gov as quickly as they had embraced them.

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            • Barn Cat says:

              That’s ridiculous. It’s easy to put down an insurgency if you’re willing to be as brutal as you have to be. Stalin made the Russian people so afraid that they would falsely denounce their neighbors and get them sent to concentration camps before their neighbors denounced them. They were so afraid that they let their neighbors children starve to death in the streets. The secret to controlling a population is terror. Expect Obama to implement that. Obama will use foreign troops to do things to Americans that American troops wouldn’t do. Including raping and murdering the families of men who participate in the resistance. The evil people in the New World Order know the importance of conquering the American people. Expect them to stop at nothing to accomplish their goal on the way to the one world government and the rise of antichrist.

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              • First, you are equating two entirely different things as though they were similar, they are not. The Russian people were accustom to tyranny, that is pretty much all they knew for generations, they were already a compliant people with no taste for or understanding of Liberty or Freedom. By the time Stalin rose to power, there was no Whites verses Reds, no hint of insurgency, no real opposition.

                What we are talking about is a country that has, even if they don’t fully understand the concepts, a long history of “feeling free” and equating “Freedom with America”, it is a strong, extremely strong internal attribute, one that will not be easy to erase or eradicate even under the most brutal of measures. Insurgency, in such a case, would arise and nothing would fuel the fire of insurgency like a foreign invading force marching through the streets of the United States, whether it was an invited force by our own government or simply an actual invasion.

                Insurgency is a far greater threat to any standing government, revolution is a fearful thing to any government, even ours. The uncertainty of revolution strikes fear in all political machines, no matter how armed and well-equipped their military forces. High-tech weapons never remain in the hands of the official government military during such revolutionary episodes, they filter through to the opposition, eventually creating a somewhat level playing field in battles. Additionally, as stated in the previous comment, this government relies upon a relatively open and indefensible infrastructure, one that would be ripe as targets. They simply don’t have the man-power to defend themselves nor such an objective as you seem to believe.

                It also must be considered that if there is an economic collapse, which most certainly would mean a massive disruption in the global supply chain, how do you think that the military will be able to adequately function under such circumstances? If there is such a collapse, it will most certainly affect the global economy, the global supply chain, once down will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to revive to a degree where it can provide the adequate resources for any type of military or political operation on a scale necessary to subdue a country the size of the United States.

                There are so many factors to consider in the event of such an overwhelming complex operation, many of those factors are not even mentioned or considered in the above article, which makes me question its veracity. In the event of a collapse of the dollar, or a collapse of the entire economic structure, which by the way, this government relies upon for its own existence to a higher degree than even the people, then things would not be quite as easy as the article makes it appear.

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          • Jerry C says:

            @ Federalist45, there is a lot of merit to your perspective – I fully agree that the technology that is available at the hands of the military – friendly or not – will easily overwhelm the masses at large.
            For those whom I know that have the latest and greatest in hardware that throws ‘lead’, it just simply won’t compare to armored personnel carries, drones, tanks, and everything else that’s at the disposal of the military… and, who says the military is going to take on every single town, city and province simultaneously?
            One of the easiest ways for the military to accomplish their objectives (that’s ‘taking care of’ or killing all of us peasants – folks) will simply be to overwhelm section by section – or – city by city… who says they have to do everything all at once. War is a ‘progression’… it’ll take time…
            Corrie ten Boom wrote about how they could see way off in the distance black smoke rising from the small town next to the one she lived in… the Nazis were coming for the Jews (and those who supported the Jews) one town at a time… much like the way a group of men would go into the ‘jungle’ and ‘drive’ the tiger out into the open – right into the ‘battle zone’…
            Regardless of whether or not you’re of the Christian persuasion who see everything happening around the world as ‘signs’ that the Messiah is ‘returning’, you’re still faced with one of three basic decisions, do you ‘stand and fight’ or ‘advance in the reverse direction (in other words: run like hell) or ‘go along with the program – this is the one event that no one will be able to ‘opt out’ on.
            Personally, I strongly believe that the vast majority who decide to stay and fight, will end up standing before the ‘throne’ before the day is out, but, on the other hand, if you ‘run like hell’ – sooner or later – you’ll likely run out of options to ‘run to’ – unless, of course, Christ hurries up and gets back to straighten out this whole mess.
            But if you go along with “the program” and (in my opinion that means ultimately ‘taking the mark’ Rev. 13, & 14 or pledging your allegiance to the PTB) then, you’re really ‘screwed’ – and that’ll be for a very long time…
            Make your plans now folks, and it’s not going to be ‘fun for the whole family’…

            Personally, I can see why Stephen would suspect you as an informant or an infiltrator… these kinds of ‘reality checks’ are not easy to accept… nonetheless, these are some of the hard considerations…

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            • Patriot2013 says:

              TROLL backup.

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              • John W. says:

                Patriot 2013,
                You sound like the morons on Free republic whenever someone posts something the resident clique does not like. The old Troll accusation. Based on what? You have no clue either as to eactly how things will unfold.

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            • tayronachan says:

              @Jerry C, I don’t think anyone will be able to sit on the sidelines. There is a book called, The Fourth Turning by Strauss & Howe (youtube it), that talks about big crisis happening in cycles, and why that happens.

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              • Jerry C. says:

                @tayronachan, thanks for the info… I’ll check it out. I have to say I was humored that Patriot2013 accused me of being a troll backup… that’s just too funny.
                I also agree with you in that no one will be able to sit this one out on the sidelines…

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          • Lanny says:

            I think once it starts, whole towns will come together and it will be a whole new ball game.

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          • Patriot2013 says:

            Hello TROLL, like even a 30-30 cannot drop a drone, rotor, or fan blade of an F-18? Obviously you have never fired a gun. They are toast, just watch us, all 120,000,000 of us…

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            • Jerry C. says:

              Patriot2013, I have to say that I’m impressed with both your optimism in the coming civil war and the abundance of confidence you seem to have in the abilities of yourself and the other 120 million ‘freedom fighters’ you speak of.
              It must be understood that I’m truly not trying to sound condescending towards you…

              Having said that, based on my own skills with a firearm, I do ‘raise an eyebrow’ however at your seeming ability with a 30-30 … the targets you speak of won’t be standing still and it’s highly likely they won’t be flying all that low to the ground… the precision of marksmanship you allude to would be a 1 in a million shot – if not 1 in 10 million – or higher… but hey, as the old saying goes: “with God, all things are possible”.

              Just incase you’re the one who’s actually the TROLL (which I seriously doubt – your comments actually read like that of a young – inexperienced – optimistic – X-BOX ‘Call of Duty’ player – like my own sons), let it be clearly understood that I hold to the same mind set as that of Patrick Henry… many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence lost both their fortunes and their LIVES to a cause they believed in – who am I to think I can enjoy the fruits of my labor – at the cost of their lives – without being willing to do the same for my own future ‘blood line’?

              I’m going into this whole event with the clear understanding that I will – more than likely – NOT live to see the conclusion of the matter, and frankly, this old beat-up body of mine looks forward to being at rest anyway.

              To the young wiper-snappers out there who sub-consciously believe they’re bullet proof – I would ask you to consider the implementation of guerilla warfare tactics into your mindset… and limiting yourself to one shot – and move, one shot – and move… if you think you’ll be able to take them head on… remember what happened to General Lee’s forces at Gettysburg… and even though I’m an old southern boy, I would have shot Lee myself if I had been standing in that tent when he made that decision… how incredibly insane… of course, that’s what happens when you start to believe you’re indestructible… and with that same thought…

              To o-bubba and all his gun grabbers:

              Molon Labe: Greek phrase for – “Come and take them

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              • I see Jerry knows my friend Scooter. Scooter, as in Shoot-n-Scooter.

                And the Molon Labe means more than just “Come and take them.” The connotation is “We dare you to come and take them.”

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          • 150 million peeps hitting the infrastructure?I mean simple stuff like railroads /refineries /power lines etc ? No desire to see that happen but 150 million peeps with nothing to do but stuff like that are u kidding yourself fed45?Say 50 million die in the process do u really think an unsupplied aggressive force anywhere can
            stop a defensive force that has nothing to lose?How many peeps who lose family members will stop ? look at guerilla forces thru out history – they always win if the aggresser cannot be supplied?Its like a movie i saw once, if the guy needed a rifle there would be so many laying around if he wanted one lol .i have no desire for anarchy i need a civilized society but in a balkinized country that cant be supplied, well you tell me how fast things go bad for everyone.Read actual history . al out peace )

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          • Dboy says:

            Federalist45 = recent grad of half-baked psych warfare training program. Likely graduated near the bottom of his class.

            You have ANY IDEA the WIN it would be for Free People if the govt used drone weapons against its own citizens????? That single decision would take the US military from a 100 to a 0 on a scale of integrity. The US military is enjoying almost absolute support from the civilian population (which I believe to be misguided). Military action against civilians is a war crime (which by itself isn’t so important anymore, due to our moral decay as a country), but it will also damage the military-civilian cultural relationship beyond repair. This would be a “win” for the insurgent side.

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          • You are perpetuating the “myth of technology”. If 1 million resist, they’ve lost. Thats is why they are battling so hard with the Sandy Hook propaganda. They know what F45 does not. There is not enough manpower to handle even a small amount of resistance. They also, by now, have realized that we’re not falling for their bullshit.

            …and then there are The OathKeepers! God Bless Them Every One. Its reported that more than 50% of the military is on board with that, covertly, of course. You bring the military in here and half your people are really working for the other side, well, YOU’RE GONNA LOSE BIG.

            But, even without oathkeepers, ask yourself why we’re still in Afghanistan? …a country of 25 million with 1% “resistance”. We can’t win that fight. Why? They’re fighting us with AK-47s and IEDs. We’ve got drones practially bumping into each other over there, even doing illegal attacks in Pakistan and yet, we’re still flailing.

            Really? A bunch of goat herders? Poorly fed, mostly illiterate and even more poorly supplied. Yet, we’re stalemated. Why?

            Because, as great as technology is, men can morph. Their tactics can change. In Afghanistan there is little worry about collateral damage. In America, the first time they take out a patriot and a couple kids get killed there will be hell to pay and the whole project will be re-evaluated. If it is not, more and more will start fighting it. They have to be VERY careful and that careful keeps them undergunned to the point where they are manageable.

            I can guarantee you: they will disarm the cities, hellholes that they are now and they will get worse.

            If they go into slaughter mode, not caring about the collateral damage, the entire country will turn on them.

            Then there are some other factors that strike fear in the hearts of military men. Those factors will come to bear if the patriots are pissed off enough. What happens when people find out who the drone pilots are? Who will fly the drones? They cannot hide forever.

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          • “. But there is no way that the average American–even if 150M of the 300+M resist–can win this thing. The technology and means to killing are too far advanced.”

            What if the power goes out all of a sudden like….


            what if, after the government starts openly killing us, people slow down the payment of their taxes? How will the government come up with the massive amount of economic resources it needs to maintain its death squads? How can dead people pay the bills and do the work they need to live high on the hog?

            I think that all will it take to destroy the communist monsters and their system is a general strike, done with much passion and feeling, that lasts sufficiently long. They will wail and gnash their teeth, but if we hold fast to our strike, they will starve and they will die.

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        • Jim says:

          The plague would be one they could do and blame on Iran or NK. They could even feasibly do an EMP event and blame it on them; and then join with China and Russia in nuking the two of them – Venezuela will then be a most peaceful compliant. America will lose a big chunk of its population and they can send in the Chinese peace keepers to make sure we run our farms to capacity so they have food.

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        • Jerry C says:

          B.I., you’re perspective is as plausible and valid as any other I’ve considered or read. I’m expecting the P.T.B. to hit us from 6 or 7 arenas at once or in series… the bottom line is to COMPLETELY overwhelm the populace at large that none escape.
          I’ve already out-lived over half my siblings and death will be a welcome relief for this old beat-up cancer trap body of mine… it’s my sons and wife I fear for… yes, I know where they’ll be on the ‘other side’ – with my Lord and Savior Christ, but in the mean time, it’s the suffering they’ll likely be faced with that torments me…
          Now I have a better understanding of how the Jews felt in Nazi Germany… they too saw ‘it’ coming … there was a movie that came out a couple of years ago based on a true story of how many Jews fled into forests of Germany and banded together and took their stand against the Nazis… the movie is called Defiance.
          Personally, I would recommend taking time out to watch it…

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            Funny you mention jews since 99% of All them such as Jarret-Ayres-Dhorn-Many in us senate and us house, and dems and neocons in general-Apaic!-ADL!-SPLC(splc Is who is now an offical part of DHS and trains cops to Hate gentiles who Think independantly etc!)happen to be jews too!

            You ned watch a Movie on how 20+ yrs PRIOR to nazis, jews invented communisim and began it in Russia-Poland-Ukraine.

            OH WAIT!! You Cannot see any hollywood movies of that due to jews own/run all hollywood/MSM nationwide, and will Never make a factual truthfull movie which depicts Their jew evils when They Murdered over 100 Million in eastern euro areas!

            And all That slaughter of so many Innocents(whites/christians mainly!) occured BEFORE nazis was invented!

            In fact them kommie Butchers IS the reason the nazis got started…To Halt the Vast invasions and boatlaods of russian/polish jews who were Kommies trying to destroy Germany!

            Once they overtook Russia(largest nation-landmass of world! over 3 times size of usa!) their(jews) Goal was take over germany as it was the most military powerfull and smartest inventors and manufacture/industrialized of europe…Alot like the usa used to be before the kommie jews took over usa eh!

            Because with Both Russia+germany under kommie kontrol(jew kontrol) Nothing could stop a total Kommie takeover of all european nations Includeing England…Then…

            America-canada and not much left to conquer afterwards eh.

            Of course if you keep believing Movies from hollywood and its bolshevik producers and script writers etc, and if you also read and believe books by so called holyhoax survivors stories?…Nothing I or anyone tells you will work.

            My favorite “Aushwitz” survivor book was wrote by some woman 20(?) yrs ago…She claimed she escaped nazis camp and Hid out in below freezing woodlands…And being like grade school age if that old, was Raised by a Pack of wild WOLVES!!!!!!!

            The wolves pack kept her warm and fed her Raw animal meat! For a couple YEARS untill near end of war a nice caring couple from sweeden or switzerland Found her while on a stroll thru woods!!!!!

            Ain’t it so fuzzy warm?…BUT WAIT!! A couple years ago…She was OUTED! and on a Live tv or radio show Admited she not only LIED about wolves etc…

            She admited finally that she was TOO Young to do such AND..

            She admited her book of Wolfgirl(or some catchy similar name) was phoney since she WAS NOT EVER A JEW!!!

            READ THAT AGAIN! She was NOT never a Jew!!!!!

            She waited to admit it all untill After she earned $20 Million in book sales and one MOVIE deal!

            YET! This total Non jewish Fraud “Survivor” is Still going on the Univ. Tours circut and Paid handsomely to “tell her Story of the little wolf girl escapee!!”

            How many parents pays for tuition for Their kids to learn from PHONY hoaxers?

            Sorry for the ranting, but it seems we still has way too many who are either Ignorant of truth? Or simply refuse to awaken. And we must admit today it Is critical to awaken to All of the story…

            Especially since them who want to destroy america is who invented kommies and from 1918 to 1990 Killed 250+ Million by it!….Now their kids and grandkids is Here…Over 1/2 of the worlds pop of their “tribe” is here.

            Big question is…Which ones are on OUR side?…When will They speak out?…How else can we know?

            This IS reason they got Booted by 109 countries since 245ad…Nationwreckers…This time its usa turn eh?

            We Shall see about That!…Speak out or do not blame any of us american patriots. Everybody Must choose sides…Only Two choices…And everybody includes jews.

            I hope for our and their sakes true american patriot jewish folks do speak out because history shows what happenes when jews Trust Bad type jews eh..(polls I seen shows 84-86% of jews voted hobammy and dems usually, so it aint likely many will choose proper eh).

            ps any who disbelieve this, go read back articles this site where several here has posted Plenty of links and factual info..from their Own(jews) mouths too!(bad ones I mean).

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            • Not so much says:

              Cukoo for coco puffs.

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            • Jerry C. says:

              @Angelo Mysteriouso, wow, I really touched a nerve, didn’t I!?!

              It never ceases to amaze me how many people I meet who always want to “..throw the baby out with the bath water”.
              So many people take one or two or three examples of people who have been proven to be frauds in a “cause” or a “concern” and they use these frauds to discredit and condemn the entire race of Jews.
              There is an old saying: “Never judge the ideology of a religion based on the abuse of its followers.” In a like manner, you appear to be judging an entire race based on the abuse of a few.

              Additionally, I haven’t yet met a single person on the face of this earth, myself included, who doesn’t have a bias or an agenda. It appears your agenda is to get every reader of this site to hate the Jews as much as you do.
              Is my perception of your intent incorrect?
              My agenda is to convince you to be honest with yourself and tell me why you really hate the Jews…. Don’t beat around the bush, we’re all grown-ups here. Don’t be rude. Rudeness and name-calling simply reveal the sophomoric level of thought the individual is only capable of achieving in expressing his or her level of intelligence…

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            • I agree with judging communist Jews very harshly, because communism is the essence of Satanic wickedness, but, to say that communism is Jewish, or vice versa, is just plain ludicrous.

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        • InsanityISContagious says:

          Be Informed: I AM NOT GIVING MEDICAL ADVICE (PLEASE SEE YOUR DOCTOR) and I am no expert, but on doing my own research of the literature, it would appear to me that plague viruses come out extremely lethal…blow through the community…then again come in waves, but to a lesser extent, until basically it is a non-lethal disease with still serious side effects.

          One of the BIG (read as the REAL problem) problems with humans encountering new viruses seems to be what is called the “cytokine storm,” which means basically that an immune feedback loop doesn’t turn off when it is supposed to becomes an immune cell “storm.” (google cytokine storm)

          So if a plague hits, I am going to have an immune modulator (again, do the google) or two handy for my family. I also personally will have some vitamin K on hand just in case the virus causes excessive bleeding. BUT anybody else, PLEASE SEE YOUR DOCTOR….typical disclaimer, blah, blah, blah

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          • JayJay says:

            Don’t forget Vitamin A–very important; many forget and it’s in sweet potatoes.

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            • PuppyPrepper says:

              Actually high dose Vitamin D3 (30,000 – 50,000u — huge doses)are a better choice in event of a biological event.

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              • ThingsthatMakeyouGoHmmmm says:

                Actually, I have to take between 60,000 and 200,000 IU of Vitamin D3 to treat another illness. As far as I know, 40,000 IU has zero side effects. In treating MS, for example 60,000 has been given to people over 6 month periods.

                The reason I state this, while I do occasionally get sick from some sources, fever etc. I haven’t had the flu in a long time. I have friends that don’t get the flu etc. anymore after taking Vitamin D3, even when around all kinds of sick people.

                Not everyone needs 60K+, but it’s relatively impossible to poison yourself with the stuff (though if you take huge amounts, you have to watch your calcium, which is affected). I know from experience.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Anyone who thinks that herbs will protect you against biowarfare agents… good luck!

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        • pale rider says:

          So easy to do. Take two or four people infected with anything that is very contagious and serious one or two at each end of the Mall of AMERICA walking toward each other, the domino effect will be spread to tens of thousands of people. Now other areas, sporting events, other malls etc.

          Yes BI this is truly a very likely plan on their part.

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        • TheGuy says:


          Yeah… that would work. That’s a scary thought.

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        • Prepper says:

          Be Informed: Sadly, I have to agree your scenario makes sense in an evil and twisted kind of way. I’d like to urge my fellow preppers to optimize their vitamin D by taking 5000 international units a day. An optimized vitamin D blood level (50 to 100 ng/mL) properly regulates the immune response to your body effectively deals with the invaders without taking out collateral damage. It’s known in medical circles as an immuno-modulator and it presents a strong defense against many assaults including virus attacks. A bottle of 250 capsules runs abut $15 and last 8 months which makes it about 6 cents a day. Don’t wait for the S to HTF; it’s a healthy thing to do even in good times. (We’re entering the height of the flu season.) Disclaimer: I’m not a doctor and have no financial interest whatsover in anything having to do with vitamin D or any other supplement.

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          • JayJay says:

            Puritan’s Pride…….Vitamin D3 2000 IU
            100 Softgels / Item #017621

            2 for 6.99…free shipping

            {I get all my vitamins here; the cheapest found on the net by me}

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        • John Q. Public says:

          Read Biohazard written under the nom de plume of “Ken Alibek” (Colonel Kanatzhan Alibekov), head of the USSR Biopreparat biowarfare program for almost 2 decades.

          The most chilling part of the book was where he recounted their dual agents, gene splicing together agents that separatey would have 95% lethality in nature, but that together, for example, their smallpox/Ebola dual agent would have over 99% lethality.

          Having defected to the USA and being handled by “our” intel agencies, it was amusing how many times he insisted in his book that the USA made no such offensive biowarfare agents, that the USA only did “defensive” biowarfare research. Tell us something we might believe..

          Important to note: “Alibek” has described his own serious health problems that he blames on the vaccines that Biopreparat developed to counter their own satanic creations.

          It takes an especially amoral person to build designer viruses that can wipe out humanity. Only the most evil would employ such agents against mankind, the kind of people that would rain white phosphorus down on innocent women and children.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ John Q. Public. Everytime I pick up that book; Biohazard, to read it freaks me out. I think the one part of the book that bothered me the most was Ustinov and when he barely picked his thumb while trying to inject a guinea pig with Marburg virus. He then proceeded to literally “melt” away. They tried to save him with antiserum and antivirals like ribavirin and interferon, no go. This virus is more stable than Ebola in oxygen and was merged with various other agents such as smallpox to make super lethal terrible weapons that can be used on whole populations.

            There was a movie that came out just weeks before 9/11 called World War 3 I believe, in which terrorists were spreading Marburg around at various targets, like at a baseball game where this arab was taking a shaking jar and throwing into the air around the ventilation systems. Never again saw this movie on TV or cable.

            It is interesting about Marburg that actually they give anti-coagulates like heparin to thin the blood because the marburg virus thickens the blood so much that people actually go into cardiac arrest and suffer even strokes from this before the other effects set in. Two people in South Africa caught Marburg back in the early 70′s from this naturally. They saved the girl by thinning th blood enough that her immune system was able to fight it off eventually. However Marburg surviviors often have internal organs that have been damaged from this nightmare virus, especially to the liver and sexual organs.

            The point is that these filo-viruses are the closest to something from nature that is pure evil the way they work. They don’t spread through coughing or other common means, they literally try to explode the body so that the virus can find a new host. These horrible virus are so small that they pass through the skin like it was not even a layer there to protect it. People will and have caught this virus, at least what I read, through simply touching someone without a glove on. No open cuts on the hand or anything, just like the way nerve gas can get on your skin and kill you.

            These a-holes found this lethal virus and made it into even more lethal like John describes above. They did this also with something called India-1 smallpox also described in the book in which they found a battle strain of smallpox from a man from India back in 1967. This smallpox variant only takes 1-5 days to develop rather than the normal 10-14 days. Reason for this, less time to vaccinate people, more fatalities. Also about smallpox, not mentioned in the book, is that they found variants that still only kill 30-35% but the surviviors are more prone to blindness.

            Talk about pure evil. These characters in Russia and yes the U.S. f around these satanic killers and get the perfect “witch’s brew” for maximum efficency. Here’s the thing why I think it can be used against the public. These so called scientists talk about this sh^& as some sort of acheivement of science and treat this as someone would a specimen in a laboratory, nothing wrong here. These so called leaders also don’t see what it can do until it is unleashed, they only want something that will work. Which it will work all right, and get someone a special place in hell or whatever type of punishment for doing something so incredibly evil.

            Like John said, there are people that would rain down white phosphous on women and children, that caustic crap burns down to the bone. There are plenty of “leaders” that would use a bio-weapon to obtain their goals. Especially when these scientists show sicko enthusiasm about their very own creation and the shear way it can achieve what the “leader” wants with minimum cost and quickness, plus the shear fear factor of complete obidence with the surviviors and those terrified to catch the germ.

            God, this is depressing, but shows what humans are capable of the their desired end results. Old saying, the end justifies the means, and you know that those in the NWO positions take this type of philosophy deeply to their black souls.

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            • John Q. Public says:

              Thank you, Be Informed. Biohazard did indeed impart a graphic and horrifying understanding of the effects of these agents, metric tons of which await release.

              The “elite” who concoct their depopulate/enslave schemes command and finance the production of these biowarfare agents capable of killing all humanity. The “elite” imagine that their vaccines and underground enclaves will save them so that they may emerge from the bowels of hell as totalitarian masters of the decimated earth… BUT…as Alibek’s own suffering health testifies, God will not be mocked.

              At the “risk” of putting a religious spin on the big picture… the heavenly thrones emptied by the fallen angels can be filled by saintly humans. Lucifer is enraged that we puny humans may take his place and he means to do his worst to reduce the number of humans who may potentially fill those empty thrones. He does that by depopulating the earth and by enslaving the survivors to sin.

              And, yes, we know who assists him in all that.

              If you want life, yes, eternal life, serve God according to His Laws.

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        • Ryback says:

          Earthquakes, hurricanes, and all this administration says is we must confiscate your guns to save you. How mentally deranged is that. This is fact, this administration full of psychopathic lunatics. If they want to find monsters they need to look in the mirror, but they know that already. Sick Fucks Indeed.

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        • Worried police officer says:

          So civil war is about to start . I truly believe that some % of americans will not just lay down and die like these thugs want but stand up and stand together and change it for the better. Let there be a collapse i can live off bream and catfish a long time. And i still dont have any guns except city owned

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        • possee says:

          I’ve been reading this site for well over a year.. daily I might add.
          and commenting almost as equally.

          But this post is over the top Mac..!!!
          Just how credible is this Hagmann ..never mind the so called source..?
          Has his insider sources provided prior intel that proved any credence whatsoever in fruition?

          This article makes Steve Quayle pale in comparison with his years and years of sources quoting outside Chinese and/or Russian/UN/other foreign nationals ready to invade our shores…and all was bullshit fear-mongering!
          Or Alex Jones in his paranoid delusions where everything is a conspiracy..and again nothing comes to pass years later with all these”insiders” and ‘sources” and those close to the”elite”nonsense prognostications..

          And yes I used to listen to all of the above and then moved on..

          We are in an age of total disinformation from every angle.

          Yes there is ,and are, conspiracies abound in every facet from every facet of media and government..

          My bitch/gripe..
          show me the proof!

          Document document…there’s always a paper trail nowadays

          and until some un named source comes through the matrix with real proof positive facts..

          I’ll call bunk!

          At least Bill Cooper was an insider and exposed the agendas at hand and died(taken out) like a man…and many before and after him..

          At least our so called founders stood up to tyranny and died at the hands of the enemy with their real names and reputation at stake…no more I’m afraid..

          Me.I have no insider information..but fully understand my ip address is attainable by tptb by commenting here.

          Is an engineered societal economic collapse inevitable?

          Is the possibility of the dhs turning the 1.6 billion rounds against us?

          Please give us here some credible info that would make all the others who have previously used this guise..fact!

          Thank you



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          • possee says:

            Before they turn against any of us..

            They will continue to do the following..

            allow us to continue to pay taxes and then become frail old men and women unable to fend for ourselves..
            and then suck the lifeblood out of our holdings and real estate by state decree til nothing is left…except frail old babies eating pureed food and wearing diapers with no quality of life ,sustained by pharmaceuticals, til we breathe our last breath..and then leave our spouses and children penniless..

            Until that last vestige of wealth is consumed by the former generations..then they will begin the slaughter and enslavement of the now poor and penniless masses left to fend for themselves.

            There will be no honor amongst the people,save a few whom remembered or were taught, to die for freedom…as a very will be left to fight..

            This is happening now amongst all the veterans and folks who were self reliant..

            We who hold the last breath and dreams of freedom, and our children and grandchildren, must continue the fight though they, and we, will be but few..

            May we all pass on with honor and on our feet as free men and women…and never as slaves on our knees!


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          • Anonymous says:

            so this was first posted on the free canada press sit.DH has been talking to RB for some time now.So far his ‘RB’imfo has beenspot on.

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          • MiVidaLoca says:

            I believe that Cooper was the one that Clinton was referring to when he blamed a radio talk show.

            Clinton was not a fan of Cooper’s. God bless Cooper.

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          • Anonymous says:

            I just wonder- what will the PTB do after they have slaughtered off all the people that they are relying on to run the country ? Who will pay taxes to them and how little can they collect from the few that are left ? Who will run the farms, make bread, man refineries etc. ? In short, if they come to oppose a large part of the population that is armed, the will almost surely win EVENTUALLY, not immediately- as was shown by the American insurgents ( swamp fox, sons of liberty), these were insurgents and highly effective. But to get back to my original thought- what will they do when they have killed off all their “cash cows ? I think they need us much more than we need them and frankly, I think they know that.

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        • lastmanstanding says:

          Remember all, the bastards in charge will use anything that will NOT look like they were the cause.

          They would love nothing more than for us to start it.

          They want to sweep in and be the savior of the earth and all people.

          Be patient. They are despret for their nwo…so despret that they will fuck up…no way the earth will put up with this bs much longer.

          Pray for their demise to hell for the last time.

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        • Older but Wiser says:

          Hello. Did I not recently read that scientists had sucessfully combined ebola with smallpox? Is there even a vacine to combat this? The death rate would be horrific. And, I pay attention to earthquakes as well…..they have and will again, soon, wreak havoc….

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        • June Allison says:

          Disinfo Bull Crap

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        • TexMex says:

          Your insidious pandemic is already here. The myriad of unidentifyiable sicknesses coming across the borders that are either previously US elimated diseases, or ones we haven’t seen before. While “we the people” have to pay huge bucks for treatment, the criminal infiltrators just go to your obamacare lcal “buy a vote” outlet and get help for free- with our money backing them. The huge upswing in numbers of sociopaths and useful idiots running all fed agencies, but centered in fed LE, is moving the agenda forward rapidly. The only possible insider help will come from the oath keepers, as 75% of lower, middle, and ses level mgmt are programmed to think that their oath is just something they have to “say” to get the job. The sociopaths don’t even understand the meaning of “taking” an oath. And unfortunately, it is even creaping into the military. So, many useful idiots can throw stones at the dhs insider, but he is alot closer to current govt mainstream than anyone wants to believe. Point of fact, I have seen hundreds of g management actions that would get an employee fired, clearance revoked, etc., just ignored by other mgmt. so the slippery slope is apon us and the fruit of the poison tree is normal table fare by fed mgmt.

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      • Live free or die says:

        Do you want to know who is the most extreme survivalist, prepper of them all? The President of the United States of America. Yea, underground bunkers beneath the white house, tons of meds and food, guns, ammo, you name it they got it covered. But you, little american sheeple, how dare you speak out, how dare you question their authority, how day you store more than three days of food, how dare you have guns and ammo. Well, don’t worry, they have that covered, take the guns, take the food by making others think you are a terrorist. Take away all of your rights and then… who the hell know what.

        Do you love your kids, do you love your freedom, do you love your country, then you better find a way to outsmart them because they are knocking at your door, what are you going to do? Have to use your brains, that is what they fear the most.

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      • Ryback says:

        Ayres and Dohrn were on the FBI’s most wanted list years ago so was the weather underground. They will start to disappear one at a time “Jimmy Hoffa” style. Because they are being politicaly embarassing to this administration or by a real Patriot, remember the Special Forces underground that the Green Berets founded in case something like this happened. Where did they go?

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        • Gunsmith says:

          @ Ryback

          Yep, I remember that/them. Still have most copies of “The Resister” sitting on my library shelf.

          It was J.F.A. Davidson & the mag’s S-1 & S-4 who personally educated me, as to “who”…our real enemies are!

          Dr. Susan L.M. Huck…filled in the finer-point details.

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      • Paranoid says:

        Relax. none of you get it, what this means is the crisis is over. Ding Dongs, twinkies, and HO HO’s are returning to a store near you, good times have returned,

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      • Bayou Bob says:

        Doug Hagmann is hack and fear porn monger.

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      • Molon Labe says:

        It all seemed credible… right up to where the smoking man talked about the U.S. map being districts. I’ve seen the Hunger Games and I’m not a moron. Nice try, French fry!

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        All of you are on the list… Congrats for another one on 321 Medicine Man. What a fake out on the metals today. I’m typing from the Far Side.

        Get your chains out Okee.

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      • Dustin says:

        To the Wild Goose question below (has anyone been asked at their doctor’s office about owning a gun? Answer: YES! It was when I took my 3yr old daughter for her check-up. They asked a battery of questions and one was “do you have guns in the house?” I thought this was very disturbing so I asked her (nurse) what the reason for question. Was told it was just a survey the dr’s office was participating in for the local college. In hindsight it looks very different now & I think the real reason is obvious. I’m in Oberlin Ohio, which is also where dr’s office is.

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      • T-Bear says:

        Interesting closing statement…”watch for a dip in metals”. Anyone care to evaluate that? When F.D. Roosevelt confiscated the gold in 1933, it was around $22. an oz. Afterwards, he moved the goal post to $32. an oz, realizing an instant profit of $10.oz, pulling the country out of depression. History repeats itself. When they manipulate the market down to a desirable level, they will confiscate the gold once again, and raise the value to $2,000.+ oz. Have you ever seen so many ads on TV to buy gold, “convienently delivered to your door.” They have a record of who bought how much and where it’s located. These ads have a very small target audience…the wealthy..who else, in these diffficult times, can afford to buy gold. The wealthy are hoarding “dollars”, and the gov’t does not want those…they can print as many as they like, but when the wealthy converts their dollars to gold…well now!
        At that time, the FED. will not only have all the gold that use to be in Fort Knox, but another windfall as well. Watch it happen!

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      • T-Bear says:

        Those of you who are dismissing this as “bunk” are living in denial of reality, and you had better wake up, or you are going to be the deer caught in the headlights when it happens. Prepare for the worse, and hope for the best. I hope you are correct about “bunk”. I have been reading and studying this gov’t and Federal Reserve for over twenty years now, putting the puzzle together one piece at a time, and here are a few more pieces that fit when combined with the above article by Hagman. Abandoned military bases all over the U.S. have been converted into “detention camps”. The Obama Administration just ordered 1.6 Billion rounds of mostly hollow point ammo.,prohibited in war zones by the Geneva Convention, in every caliber imaginable, from .40 handguns to .308 sniper rifles. The Bush Administration and FEMA ordered 3 million military style coffins to be stored underground in Covington, Ga. This can be seen on Youtube. This cannot be dismissed as “bunk”. They are definately getting ready for us. God help us all.

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      • T-Bear says:

        To Wild Goose: Yes,actually, I was asked at the VA hospital if I owned any guns. My reply was..”of course, I live in rural Missouri, and I don’t know of anyone who does not own a gun”. She then asked, “How many guns do you own?” I replied, “I do not wish to disclose that information, but I will give you a hint: enough for one in every window!” She said, “Don’t you worry about your children or grandchildren with that many guns in the house?” I said,”No, I duct taped them to the ceiling fan, put it on low speed, and made them eat liver every time they came around, and they’ve been quiet ever since.
        Besides, most of them are better shots than me anyway!”
        They don’t have a lot of sense of humor at the VA. My point is this…if you are asked by anyone if you have guns, don’t hide the fact..proudly answer “Hell yes I have guns!” We gotta let them know what they are up against. But you have to ask yourself this…and NOW…if and when they come for the guns, am I going to give them up or stand my ground? I think you already know my answer.

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      • Anonymous says:

        This is a load of silly right-wing fantasy nonsense!

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      • Gregory8 says:

        This so-called DHS guy is full of crap! There is so much misinformation in this story I hardly know where to start. One point: he says TSA Agents will be used along with local LEOs, and do what? They are not trained in arrest techniques; the have no handcuffs, pepper spray, batons, and they are not trained in the use of firearms. I call major bullshit on this DHS phony. This guy isa ll over the place with every possible scenario to feed the fears of just about everyone. Yeah, we got problems like the continuing decline of the dollar and the possible (severe) restrictions on firearms, but these folks are not some group of super-masterminds, they’re just a bunch of political hacks; dangerous, but not invincible. They will eventually fail.

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      • Dkarry says:

        I’m sorry but this is such bullshit. Anytime the insider was challenged he refused to elaborate. He only gave details on what is going to happen, anyone can do that. Example: “And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring…. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department….. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic.” He’s sure there’s going to be a dollar collapse,even states that it MAY happen this spring, but hedges his BS by saying if he’s wrong, ti’s bc there’s patriots working to stop it, all the while stating throughout the article that the gov’s plan is already in motion and we should prepare since it’s too late and we don’t have enough power to stop it. Who is this idiot? Let’s be a little more selective in what we publish on this site and stop trying to frighten people who are already scared. This does nothing to help the liberty movement.

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      • meggo says:

        seems we heard this threat for Dec 21, 2012- and Jan 1, 2000…. efforts to paralyze folks via fear or apathy are starting to wear thin

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      • niko says:

        Well I’m ready….. lets get this civil war started already…

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      • Jarl says:

        all these fuckin KOOKS do seem to tell al this “secret” info to alex jones or the other kook websites………..


        you guys mus be special

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    2. KY Mom says:

      Frightening…All I can think of is the “final steps” as described in this article.

      Sobering steps from freedom to fascism

      “Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away!”

      By Kitty Werthmann

      An Austrian witness of Nazi tyranny and transformation

      “The Final Steps – Gun Laws:

      Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms.

      Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

      No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

      Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath.

      Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

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      • Be informed says:

        @ KY Mom. You know I don’t even want to think about what Manos was talking about over in Greece. Imagine not even being able to fight back with your body against being attacked. This is a totalitarian society from the real founders of democracy, that’s scary. This is why I constantly harp on even basic non-lethal self defense items also being banned. It is hardly that I would accept one firearm being outlawed, it is that I want to show just how extreme these radical terrorist like anti-sgun whacks really are. They want EVERYTHING banned to protect yourself.

        These very dangerous hippie like characters see ALL self defense as wrong. They are just going to start with assault weapons and work their way down. They are not only too naive to see what will happen, they are too spaced out on condensed air from huffing to understand that their very meaningless lives will also be deeply affected.

        First you have crime rates go up 4 times or higher like in England that banned everything. Then you lead the country wide open to invasion, as the United States is the ONLY reason that Russia, China, and the Arabs have not craved up the countries into the world under some eastern coaliation rule. As I mentined yesterday these radical anti-self defense extremists don’t have a clue what it would be like under Russia, China, or Sharia Law. They would have no rights and be lucky to not be used as slaves or being repeatedly raped by whatever Russian or conquering power’s soldiers.

        Starry eyed and bombed out of their minds are ANYONE that supports anti-gun laws. An unarmed population LOSES ANY and ALL wars, and becomes automatic pieces of meat to the winning army. To the victor goes all the spoils of war. WHY can’t people see this? Has the masses become that stupid? I mean most parrots, monkeys, marine mammals, and other higher intelligent animals can figure this one out. Can anyone tell me what has made these anti-gun individuals so incredibly ignorant and manure for brains? Anyone have a theory on this?

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        • JustMe says:

          You are not facing who is really behind this agenda. They are not hippies, or nazis. They are hardened marxists, and the people who own them. This was laid out in print for everyone to read over 100 years ago, but people still won’t face the truth.

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          • Dboy says:

            JustMe: I know its useful to try to label this thing, in order to make it easier to deal with. But honestly, I think what we are seeing is something COMPLETELY and RADICALLY new. Likely that historians will create whole careers out of the analysis of our ruins! But we are IN IT, and therefore can’t see it very well. I’m rather visual, so I think about what’s happening to us in terms of movies I like. And I’m seeing quite a bit of “Children of Men”, some “Code46″, some “Gattaca”, “Hunger Games”, “Clockwork Orange”, “Blade Runner”…the list goes on awhile lol. All I know is this is NEW, with some rhyming from history (clearly Nazi Germany is a model).

            You were arguing that this isn’t about “hippies”. Consider this…before taking over Germany, Adolf Hitler was an art student. So I would not dismiss the “hippy” idea so quickly. Nazi Germany WAS a Utopian project (look at Hitlers ridiculous urban planning designs for reference). There is some quality of Fascist Art Project to all of this, and I think the “hippy” comment was a way of getting at that aspect.


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          • meggo says:

            the freemasonic cabbalah jews at the top of the pyramid (including the deluded British Israelists who consider themselves the ‘lost tribe’).
            the entire NWO- One World Gov is off of a PHARISEE/ZIONIST model going back to Solomon’s adoption of Babylon heresy.

            THAT is who is behind all of this.

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        • Patriot2013 says:

          My theory: 95% of gun “opposition” all over the web, are TROLLS working disinfo shifts for the enemy. Take that to the bank. We KNOW they will NEVER get our FREEDOM devices, a/k/a guns. Never.

          Give me liberty, or give THEM: D-E-A–T-H.

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          • John W. says:

            My guess is that you are the troll. Usually the guys doing the most yelling about violence are the govt. agents. At least that was the way it was back in the old SDS days. the govt. guys were even crazier than the SDS moonbats.

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          • don't tread says:

            You may be on to something. However; the big city,leftists liberals have always been anti-gun. They are just now jumping up and down more, because they have an audience(our government liberals). What has happened to the “occupy” crowd? Maybe they are doing a lot of the web trolling with “gun hate” comments.
            The majority of rural folks, no matter what state they are from, don’t have a problem with 2nd amendment rights. Heck, they know if chaos goes rural, there aren’t enough LE to protect them, so most are armed and ready to protect their own.

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      • GregorKlusar says:

        KY, Hitler did not impose a ban on guns. In fact, in 1938 he amended the legislation to allow MORE German citizens to own firearms. He was popular in Germany, there was no reason to induce a ban on guns of the people that supported him.

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        • phaedrus says:

          not true gregor
          “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.” Hitler’s Table-Talk at the Fuhrer’s Headquarters 1941-1942, Dr. Henry Picker, editor. (Athenaum-Verlag, Bonn, 1951)] (But see N. A. Browne’s The Myth of Nazi Gun Control)

          Gun control, the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, was introduced to Germany in 1928 under the Weimar regime (there was no Right to Arms in the Constitution of 1919) in large part to disarm the nascent private armies, e.g. the Nazi SA (aka “the brownshirts”). The Weimar government was attempting to bring some stability to German society and politics (a classic “law and order” position).

          After coming to power in 1938, the Nazis extended the German Weapons Act, an oppressive and brutally enforced regulation on gun ownership which required Germans to go through an extended bureaucratic process in order to obtain a defensive weapon. The Act gave the Nazis the right to arbitrarily prevent citizens from purchasing guns and ammunition. The most important restriction was the one that banned Jews from owning firearms. This had the effect of leaving the Jewish people completely helpless and defenseless.

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          • GregorKlusar says:

            I am not sure where you are getting your information, but it is wrong.


            he National Socialist government of Germany, unlike the government in Washington today, did not fear its citizens. Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has ever had. Unlike American presidents, he did not have to wear body armor and have shields of bulletproof glass in front of him whenever he spoke in public. At public celebrations he rode standing in an open car as it moved slowly through cheering crowds. Communists made several attempts to assassinate him, and his government stamped down hard on communism, virtually wiping it out in Germany. Between upright, law-abiding German citizens and Adolf Hitler, however, there was a real love affair, with mutual trust and respect.

            The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and individual self-defense and self- reliance were central to the National Socialist view of the way a citizen should behave. The notion of banning firearms ownership was utterly alien to National Socialism. In the German universities, where National Socialism gained its earliest footholds and which later became its strongest bastions, dueling was an accepted practice. Although the liberal-Jewish governments in Germany after the First World War attempted to ban dueling, it persisted illegally until it was again legalized by the National Socialists. Fencing, target shooting, and other martial arts were immensely popular in Germany, and the National Socialists encouraged young Germans to become proficient in these activities, believing that they were important for the development of a man’s character.

            Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a decade earlier by his predecessors, substantially amel ior a ting it in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler’s government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler’s government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.

            At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war. In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.

            Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had been born in Germany. The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law, etc. The aim was not only to free German life from an oppressive and degenerative Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate. The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to cast their enemies in a bad light.

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            • Kevin2 says:


              On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

              I was personal friends with the founder of JPFO the late Aaron Zelman may he be known for good who along with Jay Simkin translated the entire text of the NAZI Weapons Law of 1938. They found out that significant parts of GCA 1968 were apparently taken from this law and Senator Dodd the author of GCA68 has access to it as a Military Attorney at the time working on the war crimes cases.

              Jews were specifically forbidden from possession of not only firearms but also cutting weapons and clubs. I have read the specific translation word for word.

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              • Not so much says:

                I could be mistaken but I believe that Gregor is the dolt that claimed (a dozen or so threads back) Americans were the ones that killed the vast majority of the Jews during WWII.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                Kevin You fail to understand it was very similar to usa when japs was rounded up and not allowed to own guns etc.

                Because usa didn’t no for certain which if any was foriegn agents or planted enemys etc.

                Same for germany. Their govnt was like Ours now riddled with kommie jews. You cannot deny of so many schumers or finestiens all thru fed gov-msm-hollywood etc etc etc.

                They is the orig kommies kevin. And if you refuse to believe it or lable me or others as antisemites it still wont change Facts. I cant help that They is who the kommies was and still are mainly.

                Yes many are gentiles sell outs too…So what?..Its still Their tribe who runs and manages and Profits the most from todays kommie ran usa.

                How many jews here are really Loyal to usa and NOT isreal first?…Not Many I’d wager…It dont matter what race or tribe or whatever kevin..It is what it is and jews is the main trouble makers and nationwreckers period.

                How can so many be wide awake on 99% and yet reject the remain puzzle piece which happens to be the KEY piece?

                Try reading Real historians who painstakingly searched and found facts and truths we been denied till a decade ago. Or keep in the Dark..Your choice I rekon.

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              • GregorKlusar says:

                This is correct, but in Germany, Jews were not considered German citizens. Others are arguing that the gun bans affected ALL the people of Germany in order for Hitler to take it over. By 1938, Hitler was already in control for many years. November 9th 1938 started the Night of Broken Glass…obviously restrictions would be placed soon after as he basically declared war against the Jews. My point is Hitler struck first before banning the Jews rights to weapons. People claimed he first banned weapons and then oppressed the people, that is not the case.

                Over the years a lot of propaganda has been created by both sides, and much of it has been false. It can be difficult to find the truth of what actually happened unless recorded at the time.

                To “Not so much”, no that wasn’t me, thankfully.

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              • Kevin2 says:


                I had that discussion with Aaron Zelman may he be known for good of JPFO and he theorized that the Battle of Midway with the US victory turning back the Japanese advances saved the American Japanese interned. If the Japanese ever landed on US soil and advanced there would have been a strong possibility that we would have committed genocide upon those interned. I agree with that theory and have never subscribed to idea that it “can’t happen here”.

                Never underestimate the potential for cruelty that authorities are willing to inflict to get their way or the capacity of any people to inflict them on their behalf.

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            • Barn Cat says:

              Sounds like a load of Nazi propaganda.

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              • GregorKlusar says:

                If you call history Nazi propaganda then I suppose so. At least I source my material so that people know where I am getting my information from and whether or not it is reliable.
                Also, you could contribute to the discussion instead of making a generalization that is more than likely false.

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              • Anonymous says:


                Are you a troll?

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            • John W. says:

              Want to know the funny part? had Hitler left the Jews alone and treated them a germans instead of wasting all the resources he did by killing them he would have won the war. That is the part all the Jew haters never get. Not to mention all the Jew scientists that fled to the US and gave us the bomb first. Shame they did not drop one on Berlin.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Justme: like you say a Hundred yrs that this info was avail. Here in usa! But still because it is jews that are the main culprits on inventing communisim and killing hunderds of millions and reagrdless how many posts With supportive proof/links…Folks Refuse to even consider it!

          They Will soon when while they look here and there for comming “nazis” or “Sharia” etc…What WILL overtake em all by shock and awe suprize will likely be.

          NOAHIDE Laws already signed into Law by Bush jr, and his daddy bush back in 1991…But daddys stuf was like exec order Only not real law…

          Bush jr did sign into Fed Code “law”(fake un const laws, but They will enforce as if real).

          Oh did I mention them noahide laws was also an Invention of the Jews and zionists?…Yep…

          I got a web link to a Former US Rep from kalif, a dem who spent 16yrs as us rep. His site shows the full Text exact laws, and tells how it got passed in BOTH house and senate by Same methods as FED RES act!

          Sent all but 4 or? folks Home for xmass holidays! THEN do a “VOICE” vote to Pass it!! same as fed res act was done!

          I rekon most will also Reject His acurate factual true info since he too outs them jews whos responsible.

          If anyone wants the link just ask ok…I hate posting a link with a reg post repy as it holds up the reply so long usually. I got TONS of similar links to back stuf I write….Documented proven facts and truths!

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          • John Q. Public says:

            I have your back, Angelo.

            Bad news for the Reagan worshippers here:


            Remember Chabad is one of the most vicious racial supremacist of all Jewish groups.

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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              Thank You JQP..I appreciate it alot. And I think My link to that us rep site may be different so I will include it here. In aprox 30-minits reading time any who desire True Facts and aint jew worshippers such as JohnW seem to be.

              And refuse to, like him Blindly defent jews Regardless What facts or truth is posted, those types just may find time to READ and LEARN…After all aint that reason most come here to do?(yes it is!)…

              LINK WILL BE IN NEXT POST!(Down)


              Bill Dannemeyer
              U.S. Congressman, 1979-1992

              Your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the “crime” of worshipping Jesus Christ! A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their OWN leaders, Senators and Congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil. On March 5, 1991, in the House of Representatives, and March 7, 1991, in the U.S. Senate, without any knowledge of, or input by, the people of the United States, U.S. Senators and Congressmen passed a law that is so outrageous – and frankly unconstitutional – that it forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules, called the Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishable by decapitation by guillotine! On March 20, 1991, President George H.W. Bush, a supposed Christian, signed the bill into law.

              Before you respond, “NO, that cannot be – not in our free country!” let me explain.

              The passage of this law, HJ Res. 104, is especially troublesome to me because I was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time it was passed. Even worse, I was in the House Chamber the very day that is was passed, voting on other legislation. Yet I, as a U.S. Congressman, had NO KNOWLEDGE that it had been passed or even that it was to be brought up for a vote.

              How could this be? How could the deception be so pervasive that those of us who had sworn to uphold our country’s Constitution, particularly those of us (few, indeed) who really took our position seriously as the protectors of the people, could be totally in the dark regarding the content of this bill and its passage by the leaders of this country – by treachery and deceit?

              Here’s how it happened!

              On January 31, 1991, an innocuous-sounding Resolution was introduced, designating March 26, 1991 as “Education Day, USA.” It was purposely given this name to deceive the American people. It was, in fact, a Double Deception because not only did the Resolution have nothing to do with “Education,” it was also deceptively billed as a vehicle for recognizing the eighty-ninth birthday of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. But in truth, the Resolution was nothing less than a secret, under-handed plot to control the American people by the Noahide Laws – a subterfuge for the elimination of Christianity, the elimination of all Christians, and the enslavement of all remaining “Gentiles.”

              The Resolution, first introduced by Minority Leader, Rep. Robert H. Michel of Illinois, was then referred to the House Post Office and Civil Service Committee.

              Early in March 1991, 225 members of the House had signed on as co-sponsors of this Resolution, but it is highly doubtful they were given the full text of the document. They were probably told only that it was a Resolution in honor of Rabbi Schneerson’s birthday. Most likely they had no knowledge that the treacherous Noahide Laws were a silent attachment. I was not one of the co-sponsors.

              The committee referred this Resolution to the House for a vote on March 5, 1991. But here is where the real treachery begins! The record states that the House of Representatives passed this Resolution by “Unanimous Consent.” But what the average American does not know is that “Unanimous Consent” is a euphemism for getting a bill passed “under the radar” with almost NO ONE present to vote AND with NO RECORD of who voted or HOW they voted.

              A Congressman’s ears prick up when he hears the words “Unanimous Consent” because he is aware that this may be a signal for skullduggery. And in this case, it most certainly was!

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                heres a LINK to the US REPS site so You can read it All..Theres alot more I didn’t include so as to Not clutter this site etc…READ IT ALL!


                On the day this Resolution was “passed,” the entire membership of the House of Representatives had already been dismissed after having been told that the day’s work, including all the voting, was over. We could all go home.

                It was THEN, after virtually ALL members had left, that the traitorous authors of this Resolution brought it up for a vote on the House floor – with only four hand-picked members present. It was then deceitfully “passed” by “Unanimous Consent” on March 5, 1991, by voice vote with almost NO ONE there and NO RECORD made of their names or how they voted.

                Two days later, on March 7 1991, the U.S. Senate passed the Resolution by voice vote, also with no recorded vote. On March 20, 1991, it was signed by President George H. W. Bush and became Public Law 102-14.

                As you read on, you will discover the identity of the evil forces that have so much control over the U.S. Government that they can accomplish these dastardly deeds under cover of darkness.

                This is the language of HJ Res. 104:
                102nd CONGRESS
                1st Session
                H. J. RES. 104
                JOINT RESOLUTION
                To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.’.
                HJ 104 EH
                102nd CONGRESS
                1st Session
                H. J. RES. 104


                JOINT RESOLUTION
                To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.’.

                Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;

                Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;(No such laws exist! except in evil jesih minds who “Invented” such crap! Yet its still FED CODE LAWS!!!!!)

                READ THE REST!!!! Then…Try to DENY truth and FACTS!

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              • Anton Hackl says:

                Angelo. Thanks much!

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        • KY Mom says:


          Kitty Werthmann, as stated in the article, was an citizen of Austria. She tells how Austria came to be under German (and Hitler’s) control.

          She tells of the changes Hitler’s control brought to Austria.

          You are mistaken. The guns of the citizens of Austria were CONFISCATED.

          Living in Hitler’s Germany was not the “wonderful life” as you seem to want to convey. Life was very controlled. Guns may have been easier to OWN…but only for “certain citizens”. If you did not SUBMIT or follow the laws laid down…there was h*ll to pay.

          Remember what they did to the Jews. Well, they did bad things to other German citizens whose “views they did not like”. Many Christians who spoke out were also killed or sent to concentration camps.

          I am of German/American descent. I STILL have some older relatives who REMEMBER.

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          • Ugly says:

            Eric Bonhoffer was one. Spoke out against the Nazi, and as a German he was sent to camp and died.

            FEMA Camps are not new. They came from the ideals of WWII. Ask any Japanese-American what they were like during WWII. Many lost their farms and finances and never got them back. Look at the camp in Minidoka, Idaho.

            I remember photos of German soldiers shooting their own for sport. One photo showed a soldier posing as 4 lay dead on ground–a mother, grandma, and two boys.

            Society can turn on itself. We dont want to repeat history at all.

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            • Kevin2 says:


              What is most frightening is that it happened in Germany a nation of high technology, education and civilization. Push the right buttons in more or less the same order and you get identical results.

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              • Ugly says:

                Kevin2….I agree. The same paralels. A good orator that speaks what the people wanted to hear. Good education. Wars. And money printing to try to fix a false economy. Then came martial law and the weimar republic. Then WWII.

                Americans dont understand or simply dont care. $1T has been created each year from nothing. $40B is for mortgage securities. We are paying our own Ponzi scheme. When this $40B is due with interest, who owns all of the unpaid mortgages?

                If you own you home under one of these securities, will your home be an asset that they will collect on?

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              • John W. says:

                Noticed how Obama has seized the narrative and now the Dems who fought the Bush tax cuts are now claiming them as their own and blaming the Pubbies for now trying to raise taxes. With the conivance of the MSM and the inaction of the Stupid Party they will get away with this.

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              • Rabid Cat says:

                US civil war had concentration camps with ususal noted outcome of such things; diseased, skeletal bodies, starvation – noted of camps operated by both sides. (Harpers).

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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              ugly..So You can tell for sure by pics of several dead kids etc who they are or were?…germans because? pics says so?…

              Tell me when you see pics of like 1000 dead Naked bodies strewn in a pile…Is it jews? germans?….Italians? polaks?…..what clue give it away?…jews has a “certain” dimple on asses?….Or???

              OR like most folks you take whatever or whoevers word and then never again ecept Any other info period…Alot like libs no?…Aint that a main reason so many are dumbed down today?…They reject any info if its different no matter what….Unbelievable…

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              • Ugly says:

                Angelo….Your point is correct. I cannot remember how I go to website, but it was a site with many, many WWII photos. It had Imo Jima, the famous sailor kiss, Japan planes, etc. It also had this photo. If I remember right, the captions to the photo stated that they were heading to a food bank and were shot enroute.

                Im not picking on Germans. Just using them as example because I believe we are repeating their history.

                Sure photos like this are all around the world. Mans inhumanity towards man. Alittle sick.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                UGLY, It is nice that you reply with alot more than snide remarks as so many seem to always do. I am sure some nazis did evil stuf…So did usa-french-brit-Russian armys too.

                But for anybody today to not be able to admit we was so badly lied to on so many issues our entrie lives is akin to being a stupid liberal.

                Them types are easy to see…All they ever offer as refutes is a stupid name calling posting.

                No substance as backing. Too bad so many yet exist since internet has provided a true awakening event still unfolding!

                I used to believe all I was told or taught also…Not no more though….I have read aprox. 25,000 to 30,000 hrs worth the last 17 yrs or so now….On every issue or topic I can find.

                And in last 10 yrs there is litterally tons, Truck loads of info from all sorts archives previous denied our eyes.

                When soviets collapsed a few yrs later the kgb released its own AND Most all of germanys records. Kommie russians was first in and grabbed most records to hide etc.

                Aprox. 1997(?) kgb released most records on german camps etc..And we already knew germans are sticklers for keeping very detailed acurate stuf.

                Same with american Red CRoss WWII records…red cross Was allowed in camps most times. They wrote detailed reports on folks in camps. AND wrote details on how many die or was released at wars end.

                EXAMPLE: One red cross document record says at end of WWII, about 65,000 jews got released alive…30 days later, 20,000 died…That left 40,000 Camp survivors.

                Then as of 1999 at some euro hearings jews stated they had still living aprox 160,000 survivors…Hmmmm.

                THEN: As of around 2010 at some survivor festival or whatever was called in Isreal…They announced a whopping 1,100,000 One point One MILLION survivors!

                Hows That posible when almost all WWII armymen of ALL nations armys are dead or near death now?

                40,000 Expaned to over 1.1 Million in 65 yrs?….Oh they all now eligable to collect aprox $1000 per mo from…germany!..hmmmmm…hmmmmm…

                Like I said alots out there to Read now, alot Proves in no doubt alot of lies we was told.

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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              UGLY: fair enough eh…NOW! lets see what the JEWS In Their Talmude say…This IS Jews saying/Writeing this- got it yet?

              15. “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.” — .9boda Sarah 37a.

              16. “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.” — &ad. Shas. 2:2

              17. “A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.” –Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

              18. “A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief.” — Maimonides, Jak. Chasaka 2:2.

              19. ” IF a goy kills a goy or a Jew he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy he is NOT responsible.” –Tosefta. 9boda Za,-a 8, 5.

              20. “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”–Schuichan Qruch, Choszen Hajpiszpat jog

              21. “Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said, ‘Thou shalt not do injury to a Goy.’ ” — Mishna Sanhedryn 57.

              22. “When you go to war do not go as the First, but as the last, so that you may return as the first. Five things has Kanaan recommended to his sons: ‘Love each other, love the robbery, hate your masters and never tell the truth.’ ” — Pesachis F. 113B.

              23. “A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself; but he must take care that he is not found out, so that Israel may not suffer.” — Schulchan Aruch, Jore Dia.

              24. “A Jew may rob a goy – that is,.he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him.” -Schalchan Arach, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

              25. “If a goy wants a Jew to stand witness against a Jew in a Court of Law, and if the Jew could give fair evidence, he is forbidden to do it; but if a Jew wants a Jew to be a witness in a similar case against a goy, he may do it.” — Schalchan .9ruch, Choszen Hasiszpat 28, Art. 3 and 4.

              26. “Those who do not confess the Torah and the Prophets must be killed. Who has the power to kill them, let them kill them openly with the sword. if not, let them use artifices, till they are done away with.” — Schulchan Qruch. Choszon Haviszpat 425.5.

              Speaking of the Prophets of the Oral Torah Mishnah, of Talmud Bavli…the rabbi’s….

              NOT THE PROPHETS of GOD who they slew and prisoned

              27. “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general’ “–Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.

              28. “Should a Jew inform the goyish authorities that another Jew has much money, and the other will suffer a loss through it, he must give him emuneration.”–Schalchan Oruch, Choszen Maipiszpat 388

              29. ‘How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”–Tosefta, Qbda Zara VIRZ, 5.

              30. “On the house of the goy one looks as on the fold of cattle.” — Tosefta, Erabin VZZ, 1.

              31. “All vows, oaths, promises, engagements, and swearing, which, beginning this very day or reconciliation till the next day of reconciliation, we intend to vow, promise, swear, and bind ourselves to fulfill, we repent of beforehand; let them be illegalized, acquitted, annihilated, abolished, valueless, unimportant. Our vows shall be no vows, and our oaths no oaths at all.” — Schulchan 9ruch, Edit. 1, 136. (The Jewish Kol Nidre ['All Vows"] Oath has been set to a morbid Jewish music, and is often heard on the radio. it is sung as a chant at each Yom Kippur [Jewish New Year] service [September 17].)

              32. “Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.” — Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.

              33.. “A Jewish mid-wife is not only permitted but she is compelled to help a Jewish mother on Saturday (Jewish Sabbath) and when so doing to do anything which otherwise would desecrate the Saturday. But it is forbidden to help a non-Jewish woman even if it should be possible to help her without desecrating the Saturday, because she is to be considered only as an animal.” — Schulchan gruch, Orach Chaim 330.

              34. “At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the Lord.” –Chuichan Qruch, Orach ChaiD 539.

              their god…satan

              35. “The Jews are strictly Forbidden to cheat their brothers and it is considered cheating already if one sixth of the value has been taken away from him. Whoever has cheated his brother has to return it to him. Naturally all that only holds towards the Jew, to cheat a goy he is permitted and he is not permitted to return to him what he cheated him out of. Because the Bible says: ‘Thou shalt not cheat thy next brother,’ but the non-Jews are not our brethren, but as mentioned above, worse than dogs.” — aruch hoszen Haniszpat 227.

              Do You Get it Yet? these are the Incessant Whiners of world fame who Always claim to be a “Victim” of all gentiles, who of course are All “Nazis” in satanicly warped jewish minds…The Above verses proves it in Spades!…Do You get it Yet?

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              • Ugly says:

                Angelo: basically, what you are saying is that even the Jews do not practice their own religion. In other words, practice what you preach. You are correct, most of them don’t practice their true religion.

                Jesus only got angry at the religious sect because they were the hypocrits. The religious sects of those days were telling others how to live based on the laws of Moses, but they themselves did not do it. Things have not changed much in 2,000 years, have they?

                Where I diasgree with you is that I dont find all of the social ills as a Jewish fault. I dont believe the jews are behind our drones in Pakistan and around the world. Maybe they are? But I doubt it. Yes, they may have some influence of the Iran stuff, but hopefully it ends peaceful.

                But look at the side of the jew too. By 1947, they were almost exterminated. They definitely suffered from hate crimes and lost millions of souls all because they were jewish. In 1948, they gained a portion of their homeland back thru some treaty. Then came the wars of 1949, 1967, and 1973. From those, they regained the Golan Heights.

                That piece of land has been fought over for well over 4,000 years. Maybe someday, the sheep will lie with the lion.

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          • GregorKlusar says:

            This may have been true DURING THE WAR, because Hitler legally declared MARTIAL LAW, but previous to 1939 for the many years Hitler was in power, guns were not as controlled. Jews in 1938 were not permitted to buy or sell firearms in Germany, but they were allowed to own and operate firearms. This does create a dilemma of how they would buy guns in the first place, I imagine they would need to travel out of the country to purchase weapons or somehow manage to get them from people they knew who were citizens that could legally purchase weapons.

            Let it be clear that I am not defending Hitler or the legislation, I just like to be factual. I certainly do not think it was a “wonderful life”.

            The fact is that Hitler did not impose gun control on Germany like the U.S is trying to do today. To imply that Hitler banned guns from the people before taking over Germany is not factually accurate.

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          • +1 KY Mom! Would of loved to sit down and hear her stories.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            KY Mom,

            You could put a discerning eye on the claims of such eyewitnesses. The Holocaust saint himself, Elie Wiesel has made asinine “eyewitness” claims of geysers of blood spurting from the ground. Even the supposed photos of him in the camp have been shown by the testimony of the soldiers who freed the camp and took the pictures, that Wiesel was 120 miles away from that photo.

            Here are a few salient LIES. URL links will follow since links seem to end up in limbo forever.

            “The head Nazi-hunter’s trail of lies” by Guy Walters, Times, London, UK, July 18, 2009

            Professor David O’Connell also published a well-documented study of Elie Wiesel’s “eyewitness” lies. For his effort, the Holocaust Fundamentalists attempted to have him fired.

            “I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true.” Elie Wiesel in Elie Wiesel: conversations By Élie Wiesel, Robert Franciosi, (1970), p 33.

            The quality of “eyewitness” testimony is shameful. Watch ABC News video of “Holocaust eyewitness,” Herman Rosenblat rationalizing his shameful deception:

            Interviewer: How can you say it wasn’t a lie? It wasn’t true and you know it’s not true.

            Rosenblat: Yes, it’s not true, but in my imagination it was true.

            etc. etc. etc.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Faked photographs:

            The quality of “eyewitness” testimony is shameful. Watch ABC News video of “Holocaust eyewitness,” Herman Rosenblat rationalizing his shameful deception:

            Interviewer: How can you say it wasn’t a lie? It wasn’t true and you know it’s not true.

            Rosenblat: Yes, it’s not true, but in my imagination it was true.

            “The head Nazi-hunter’s trail of lies” by Guy Walters, Times, London, UK, July 18, 2009

            Professor David O’Connell also published a well-documented study of Elie Wiesel’s “eyewitness” lies. For his effort, the Holocaust Fundamentalists attempted to have him fired.

            “I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true.” Elie Wiesel in Elie Wiesel: conversations By Élie Wiesel, Robert Franciosi, (1970), p 33.

            Spielberg’s Hoax – The Last Days of The Big Lie

            Many other incidents that never happened:

            I have page upon page documenting the “eyewitness” LIES.

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            • Anonymous says:

              John Q. Public

              It is pointless to even attempt to discuss this.

              I am sure you can find “sources” to support whatever you want. According to you, Hitler was a popular, beloved, benevolent leader who only wanted peace and harmony for everyone in the world.

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              • John Q. Public says:

                I said no such thing.

                Quite the contrary, I clearly stated that I oppose ALL Master Race creeds, NAZISM, KKK, and Judaism included.

                Hitler committed enough evil that it requires no embellishment (or financial tribute) for “Jewish fables” (Titus 1:14)—especially since the embellishing LIES are used to advance genocide by the other Master Race creed.

                The TRUTH can stand on its own.

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            • Ugly says:

              John Q….

              We Christians will see the anti-Christ, according to Paul in Thessolonica.


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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                What did BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SAY?

                DID BENJAMIN FRANKLIN KNOW WHEREOF HE SPOKE? Mr. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, one of the framers of the Constitution of the United States, published his diary in which he says:

                “Dr. Benjamin Franklin, a venerable figure weighed down by years and wisdom, leaned one hand on his staff, the other on the table and said, ‘There is a greater menace to these United States of America than the strictly Roman….

                ‘This greater menace, gentlemen, is the Jew!

                ‘In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers they have lowered its moral tone; they have depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves; have not assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which this nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state, and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially.

                .. ‘If you do not exclude them from the United States in his Constitution, in less than two hundred years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, change our form of government for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance, jeopardized our liberty, and put into it our best thoughts.

                .. ‘Gentlemen, Jews are Asiatics. Let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, and they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard can not change its spots. Jews are Asiatic’s, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitution.’ ” (BENNY F. Was RIGHT!!)

                The Jewish Transcript of Seattle, Washington, under date of May 29, 1936, admits that “the Communists are Jewish controlled,” therefore it would be fitting to quote Karl Marx (Mordecai), the Jewish founder of both socialism and Communism when he says:

                “It is in vain we look for a key to the labyrinth of the Jewish soul in his religion. On the contrary, one must look for the mystery of his religion in the mystery of his nature. What is the basis of Judaism? A practical passion and greed of profit. To what can we reduce its religious worship? To extortion. Who is their real God? Cash!

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            • John W. says:

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Evidently, John W, you are only aware of a tiny portion of the documentation, the portion vetted by the ones who STARTED the war.

                For the moment, focus on the DOCUMENTED agenda of the Jewish fables, to replace Jesus’ Sacrifice on Calvary with “the Holocaust” as the pivot point of all history.

                “If Auschwitz is true, it represents human suffering that is incomparably greater than that of Christ… Auschwitz is the denial of Christ.” Claude Lanzmann, Les Temps Modernes, Paris, December 1993, p. 133

                “The Golgotha of modern man is Auschwitz. The Cross, the Roman gallows, was replaced by the gas chamber.” Rabbi Ignaz Maybaum, The Face of God After Auschwitz, 1965, p. 36.

                “I kneel at this Golgotha of the modern world.” Rabbi-Blessed Karol Wojtyla
                See the quote here:

                “After Auschwitz the Christian churches no longer wish to convert the Jews. … After Auschwitz it is the Christian world that is in need of conversion.” (Second Vatican Council theological adviser, Judaic ‘convert,’ Fr. Gregory Baum, Auschwitz, Beginning of a New Era?, p. 113)

                Holocaust fundamentalists even want to replace Jesus Christ the King at His Judgment Seat:
                “When each of us stands before the Six Million, we will be asked what we did with our lives.” Simon Wiesenthal’s magazine Response, Vol. 20, No. 1

                “The Holocaust is a divine mystery whose secrets are reserved for a priesthood of survivors.” Elie Wiesel quoted in Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American Life, 1999, pp. 211-212.

                “The sincere Christian knows that what died in Auschwitz was not the Jewish people but Christianity.” Elie Wiesel, Against Silence: The Voice & Vision of Elie Wiesel, Volume 1 (1985), p. 272.

                Certainly Jews were among the 60 to 80 million who died in World War II, but important claims by Holocaust Fundamentalists are crumbling under deserved examination, even though such examination is—unlike any other historical issue—criminalized in over a dozen “democracies.” In 1933 World Jewry declared War on a Germany suffering the same kind of Jewish economic warfare that we suffer today. Have you forgotten that on August 7, 1933 Samuel Untermeyer, as representative of the World Conference of Jews, declared war on Germany and then broadcasted the declaration on WABC radio and published it in the New York Times? 

                Google “Samuel Untermeyer text speech” and “Judea Declares War on Germany,” then pick your favorite source.

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      • don't tread says:

        The interesting part of it all will be which elements, or fragments, of LE decide they have a conscience, and drop out of compliance.

        I was at the local gun/ammo shop wednesday and just as I had suspected, a lot of the vehicles that have been keeping the parking lot full for the past three weeks, aren’t driven by the general populace. Besides the sheriff (out of uniform), I noticed other individuals doing more looking at persons than at guns or ammo. I believe LE is in on the whole thing and is looking for signals of “anti-establishment” behaviour. My major SHTF preps are already in place so there will be no major purchases by me or the little woman to attract attention. The late bloomers will need to be very wary of attracting attention as a prepper/gun owner. TPTB and their cronies are against people living independant of the status quo.

        We have been warned, and if people haven’t heeded the warning and prepared accordingly, they can only blame themselves.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        KY mom: More wrong info by that person you wrote of…germans antigun laws or registration lists etc occured BEFORE hilter or nazis came into power.

        It was Wiemer Republic govnt that did that. 99% of all we was told or taught on nazis or WWII era is wrong or semi wrong or total propaganda. And no body has been more bogus about it all than our own fed govnt. Except for maybe brit govnt too!

        Did you read any quotes I posted the other day?…Quotes BY jews and rabbi’s, most all high level zios etc or political types who themselves Brag of how WWII was done to assist zionists takeover isreal?

        Them quotes Admited of many lies we was told all our lives. Seems the final frontire to awaken to truth of is the jew and WWII stuf eh…I doubt anything else in 20th century has as many lies or propagandized stuf attached to it….Alot of folks has made fortunes$$$$ in movies and books which has been Proven to be lies or 1/2 truths(even worse than a lie usually).

        Just wanted to give a heads up is all.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        KY MOM: also if I recall correct?…Austria VOTED by vast majority of like aprox. 90+% or More to JOIN germany!

        There wasn;t any takeover like that person says…Real history shows alot diffeerent occured than she says did.

        I think that vote was called a vote for austria to annex itself to germany?…If thats proper term/word?

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        • KY Mom says:

          Read the whole article. It is rather long, so I only posted the final portion of it.

          She says, “I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide – 98% of the vote. I’ve never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.”

          Things didn’t work out so well for them…

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          • John Q. Public says:

            You really have to laugh when someone like John W. talks about “so much documentation.” Americans have only the expectedly falsified H✡llyw✡✡d image of the Austrian annexation, the Anschluss, from “The Sound of Music.”

            Even at its simplest it is well-documented that the Von Trapp family comfortably left Austria on a train having met no force or resistance whatsoever, not chased by bloodlusting Nazis with Schmeissers.

            Jesus said this about the tribe’s liars:
            You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. (John 8:44)

            It is the TRUTH that sets you free, NOT lies.

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      • KY Mom says:

        Here is the whole article…

        Sobering steps from freedom to fascism

        “Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away!”

        By Kitty Werthmann

        An Austrian witness of Nazi tyranny and transformation

        What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or will ever read in history books.

        I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide – 98% of the vote. I’ve never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

        In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

        Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.

        The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Linz, and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

        We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group — Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

        We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

        After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

        Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

        Hitler Targets Education – Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:

        Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles, and had physical education.

        Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

        My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

        Equal Rights Hits Home:

        In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

        Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

        Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:

        When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

        Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:

        Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna. After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

        As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

        We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

        We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

        Mercy Killings, Redefined:

        In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

        As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

        The Final Steps – Gun Laws:

        Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

        No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

        Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

        After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria . Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn’t destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn’t, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.
        It’s true… Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

        America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away

        “After America , There is No Place to Go”

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          KYMOM: Do you not think its strange on the one hand she admits americas news never reveled this stuf etc…Yet not Once did she mention that the Russians and eairler kommies troubles of germany were done by Kommie Jews?

          Who do you think did the russian revolt and killed tens of millions Prior to hitler and nazis in power?

          Why do you think most germans supported nazis?…Because like usa today Marxist(jews) by the boatloads was wrecking germanys total culture-arts-music-society-ancestoral ways etc…

          The proof facts on jews invented and Did comunisim is overwhelming KY.

          And I never said I liked hitler or nazis nor want any such system Here in usa…No I sure do not.

          But it dont change facts that jews wrecked every nation to allow them entry. Now america is on chop block and Who/Whats doing it?…KOMMIES! Led and Run by…jewsih folks again!

          So we should forget true history and trust em ell now?….What if we do and america is finished due to that?

          Perhaps you need read Other info which more clearly proves facts and aint just some persons recolections etc eh. I too used to believe all I was told about the ever whinny “we are always Victims” jewsih storys,and how They never ever do anything wrong nor deserve it etc…

          Then I seached and found More actual true history(like Your story woman admits americans was NOT told true facts eh) and discovered the fed res or liars in politics weren’t the Only thing we was lied to about!

          Read American RED CROSS documented evidence that states less than total of 300,000 died in camps..And Less than a third was jews…And most died from starvation Due to USA=British bombs the final six months of WWII!!

          IS Red CRoss also antisemite liars KYMom?…There is litterally Tons more such stuf only avail last decade or so….Just toss all of That info out?….Sorry I aint buying lies no longer.

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      • SkepticinEU says:

        You are no Austrian. You are something else, with an agenda (let the readers figure out what).
        Germany’s first comprehensive and restrictive gun law came to being in 1928, 5 years before(!) Hitler. (Austria was still Austria).
        !938: Anschluss AND Hitler’s new gun law – a modification of the 1928 law.
        Let’s see what did it change from the old:

        ” … substantially ameliorating it (1928 law) in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler’s government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler’s government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; NO NEW RESTRICTIONS WERE ADDED, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.”

        Only “resident aliens” were prohibited from owning, buying, dealing arms – which included the Jews, on the premise, that Germany belonged to the Germans, and to the Germans(!) only. (A reasonable notion). Since the Jews insisted throughout the centuries, that they are a distinct people, race, culture, nation, they were classified as ‘resident aliens’; literally “guests” of Germany and of the German nation.

        “At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war.

        In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.”

        In conclusion:
        The FIRST COMPREHENSIVE GUN BAN in Germany was NOT by Hitler and the Nazis. Not by a longshot.
        It was by the “freedom loving” “democratic” Americans, led by Eisenhower.

        If you study the 19th and 20th century history long enough and deep enough (written by the victors), you WILL realize (like I did) that EVERYTHING you have been told and taught (both in schools and media) is a comprehensive, deliberate LIE, from beginning to end.

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    3. Walt Kowalski says:

      Just read this on Hagman’s site.


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      • John W. says:

        Actually all the Dems have to do is crash the economy, the Stupid party will get the blame,the House will go to the Dems and all three branches will be under Obama. Icing on the cake to ensure the coup is to have one of the somewhat conservative Supreme Court judges retire and Obama can do anything he wants without having to resort to any heavy handed tactics. If the people are starving and freezing by that time all the better. Sounds like a plan.

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    4. We all better have our shit right if this “bone” we’ve been thrown has any “meat” on it. There are things that everyone of us as far as preps, don’t have that we’ll be depending on others to barter with/for. There some of us that will probably vanish like wisps of smoke. Get right, get ready, and if I don’t see ya soon, I’ll see ya soon.

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    5. anon says:

      Those liberatians in Russia had no warning. Neither did the Non-Zionist jews used as cannon fodder.

      Please heed the warnings and protect the generations to come.

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    6. Federalist45 says:

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      • Dude, are you fucking kidding me? Oh noes, the technology. Shut the fuck up you god damned shill. If a band of illiterate, ass backward goat herders in Afghanistan can hold off against not just one super power, but two, I think we have a pretty good chance to stop this shit. So tired of hearing whiny little pussies spout off about how terribly fucked we’re all going to be because of the high technology toys. Americans that will resist are far more educated, resourceful and innovative than any mountain goat herder. Man the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

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        • Federalist45 says:

          You can believe in your dream all you want, but if the U.S. military and state and local police forces stay loyal to the govt, resistance will be futile. Again, a death fighting for the Consitution may be honorable, but it will not be effective in today’s world.

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            The above is a sample of what you can expect.

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            isn’t going to happen. Police live in their community.

            Our soldiers will stand with the people.

            That is how the planet works.

            It is good vs evil…pick a side.

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            • Federalist45 says:

              Well, it is good vs. evil, yes, but evil offers food, water, storage, and security for your children. Good offers the remote possibility of one day living free again. Maslow’s hierarchy would suggest that most of us will choose the food and material satisfaction over a hope of future liberty. I have yet to meet anyone who, in spite of this best intentions, would choose the hope of future liberty over food today when his kids are starving to death. I like your line of thinking, and I hope you are right about choosing good over evil, but I just don’t think it will go that way. But it is, to quote Hemingway’s Bret, “pretty to think so.”

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          • Cameraman says:

            F 45 Gov Shill asswipe..This Gov Trained Me and 25 Million Like Me..Wanna bet we don”t know the Playbook? You are either the Biggest Coward or just a Lackey for the Beast..Bring it on..we been there done that Before, maybe be slower but just as On Target if you Can get the Drift!

            Semper Fi

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          • Gregory8 says:

            Ferderalist 45: That’s assuming that all military; active, guard, and reserve = > 3 million and all LEOs including state, federal, and all reserve officers = >1 million. So you’re saying that > 4 million people are all going to line up against the rest of us? Oh, I forgot, half the military is still overseas, so the number is way less than > 3 million against 330 million Americans, many of whom are their family, friends and neighbors. Is that how it works?

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      • NHPatriot says:

        I don’t for a minute think that 2.5 million armed patriots will be defeated. We must go after the head. Kill those in power, not only those they send to kill us. We haven them outnumbered and our numbers will grow as they commit atrocities against the people.

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        • Federalist45 says:

          You will be lucky if half that number turns out. And yes a million, or two, or three, are easy kills given today’s technology and the WILL to use it (with the MSM on the sidelines, cheering govt onwards and upwards to totalitarianism).

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      • durango kidd says:

        FED45: You are a FUCKING TROLL spreading propaganda trying to soften American Resistance to TREASONOUS actions against the American people by Globalists in Government.

        In the event of an illegal attempt to confiscate American guns the response will be so intense, so violent, and so much carnage will be unleashed against the ROGUE Administration that attempts it; that the attempt will be stopped, the POTUS will resign and will face legal action by WE The People.

        The mistake that the Globalists made over the past 50 years was using American males to fight their wars of phony crony capitalism.

        American males will resist. These are combat veterans. They are skilled in war and capable of squeezing the trigger against their foes. The blood will flow in America until the ROGUE enemy is crushed.

        Suggest YOU read Washington’s Vision at SHTF Patriots. Divine Providence rules this nation; not POTUS.

        Get a fucking clue!!! :-)

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        • Gunsmith says:

          GET SOME DK!!!!!!!!

          KUDOS & +1000 thumbs up!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Federalist45 says:

          You do realize, don’t you, that these same Americans are the people who reelected Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, and so on? And that the American military is one of the single most effective brainwashing machines in human history? And similarly, most police officers at all levels BELIEVE that the CAUSE OF GOVT is righteous. Most do not even know what the Constitution says, much less care about it. What they care about is food, water, sanitation, and security. The govt will take care of them, so they will take care of the govt. What makes you think that 90% of all Americans won’t cheer your deaths? Hell, your neighbor today would turn you in to the govt for tax evasion if he could earn himself a buck by doing it.

          And why would God, or Divine Providence, rule this nation? Good grief. This nation IS SODOM, this nation IS GOMORRAH. God does not rule this nation. Fools, knaves, criminals, and sinners rule this nation. This nation turned its back on God long ago. We may as well have been at the cross, hammering the nails ourselves. This is an ANTI-CHRISTIAN nation today.

          He who owns the message owns the future. The Statists and Socialists OWN media, academia, schools, and everything else that shapes Americans’ values and opinions. The 90%+ are simply following the formula that govt wants them to follow. They WILL BE GOVT supporters, even against their neighbors.

          Again, the ONLY hope would be for military and police personnel to reject govt’s unconstitutional actions and join with the resistance. THAT would be successful. But it is LONG shot, because most military personnel BUY INTO their own brainwashed support of govt as “patriotism.” They will see resisters as the enemies of America, and they will participate in the slaughter willingly.

          I repeat–death by resistance in such a scenario will be good, honest, and honorable. But it will be death.

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          • durango kidd says:

            FED45: Any Rogue Administration that turns it’s weapons upon 100 million American gun owners in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL attempt to disarm them is not fit to govern and will follow Assad, Mubarak, and Gaddaffi to the grave.

            Veteran’s will support gun owners, the military will be divided, and police forces may be divided too, but current history shows that if Americans stick to their guns (pun intended) and continue their resistance, the police and military on the fence will switch to protect and defend the People.

            If the population rejects a Rogue Administration, the military and police will follow their lead as it has happened elsewhere and is happening now, in Syria.

            The Lord has said that if there where but ten righteous men in Sodom that he would spare it. Their ARE righteous men and women in America.

            Don’t judge everyone from your experience. I know better. :-)

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          • SkepticinEU says:

            Food for thought:
            Policemen and similar kind of people live in the same neighborhood as the general citizen populace.

            They have house and family. And here comes the rub:

            If the guy/policeman goes out to kill citizens, his house will likely be a smoldering ruin with his family turned into crispy critters on one lovely day (or night) when he gets back from his daily pursuits.

            Since general lawlessness and sheer rage will prevail, surveillance cameras will be taken out in a day or two – guaranteed. (Face recognition systems can be defeated with infrared LEDs built into baseball caps).

            After a few events of this nature among his cohorts, he’ll get the message not go anywhere, but to just guard his abode and family.

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        • Older but Wiser says:

          @durango….I hope someone, somewhere preserves what you stated…it is the simple truth which cannot be denied…I thank you for your previous service to our Nation…many retired military will be standing right at your side…

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          • durango kidd says:

            OBW: Rest assured that the Cyber Squad preserves my posts and copies the relevant ones into my file!

            The file is getting thick. Fortunately for them its all digitized and particularly egregious comments are coded for easy retrieval.

            Not to worry. Many of them secretly agree with me! Its nice to have friends in high places. :-)

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      • John W. says:

        FED 45,
        The fact that you received all the red thumbs indicates that the same brainless sheep reside on this site as in society in general. Brackens books are great as to likely scenarios of what will/may happen not to mention the guy was SEAL. Any serious prepper will read them all more than once along with One Second After.

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        • Hey genius, this isn’t about Bracken’s books. Read the quote below and try to COMPREHEND it this time.

          “Bracken laid it all out in these novels. The only thing he got wrong, I think, is the notion that there can be a viable defense. I think that those who fight will be slaughtered very easily. The sheep will survive. Technology and the ruthless will to use it will lead to the deaths of all those who oppose the tyranny.”

          The sentences above are the source of why so many people thumbs down this guy and become infuriated with him. Read his other pessimistic comments loaded with nothing but remarks about how helpless he thinks we are and you have to start wondering if this guy is on the shadow government’s payroll.

          Anyone with half a brain could see this is the source of our disdain. People are not bashing his suggestion of Bracken’s books, we’re bashing his shill remarks. This brings into question your motives as well, as you come to the defense of an obvious shill.

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          • Federalist45 says:

            But here is the thing–I could care less about your disdain. Your overreaction suggests that I have hit a sensitive nerve. Perhaps you and others of you ilk are concerned, down deep, about exactly what I have suggested will happen.

            The “shill remark” on this website and on this thread would be the one that follows THIS herd. Perhaps we on SHTFPLAN need to consider other ideas, other perspectives, once in a while or we get stuck in the rut of simply preaching to the choir. It appears to me that many SHTFPLAN posters are the shills for one another. Maybe step out of the comfort zone and consider other possibilities?

            But in any case, disdain away.

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      • Dusty says:

        Well of COURSE the sheep will survive! But not for long! I’d rather get my head blown off trying to defend my kids and freedom then live a horrible life of servitude under a dictator. I know where I’m going when I die.

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        • Federalist45 says:

          And there you have it. An honest man accepts his honorable death. Dusty has it correct. Many of us hope to be committed to such a death rather than a decision to cave to a govt that would give us food and security in exchange for docility. But many will fail. Good luck, Dusty. If enough Americans understand this, there would be hope. The problem is, most will trade their very souls for a little slop and a roof.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          Nobody knows where they are going when they die until they get there. Your eternal fate is in jeopardy from your thoughts, words, and deeds until your last breath.

          Do not presume upon the mercy of God. Be baptised, behave, and believe as He commands until your dying breath. THAT is your hope.

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          • Federalist45 says:

            JohnQ: We are sinners and are condemned to Hell for all eternity. We cannot change that. We cannot rely upon OUR behavior. Our HOPE is in salvation through God’s Grace. It is a gift that cannot be earned by miserable sinners. None can stand here and state definitively that he is going to Heaven or Hell. What he can do is stand here and state that he is fully committed to Christ and that he accepts God’s gift of Grace through Jesus Christ. The ONLY hope, then, IS, IN FACT, to PRESUME that God will have mercy on our souls.

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            • durango kidd says:

              FED45: I have BEEN to both Heaven and Hell and I can promise you that Hell is much like NYC: bright and spectacular at night as it sits in the outer darkness with a million tiny points of light.

              But in the clear light of day the illusion is gone and one can see the dirt,garbage,filth and vermin.

              I may not sit on the right hand of God when I get to Heaven, (again) but my salvation is assured in Christ Jesus.

              The is NO doubt about that. :-)

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          • Anton Hackl says:

            Yes JQ, you’re right! But I would also suggest that we are honor bound to defend his TRUTHS…even unto our death, in this realm!

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    7. maudy fricket says:

      Surely, no one here is surprised. What is your plan to stop it? What is your plan to slow it down. Make it too expensive to impliment? What? You don’t have a plan? Then you deserve it. Think up a strategy for your area of operation. Your town, county, neighborhood. Why didn’t you already have a plan? You’re preppers. Or are you?

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      • durango kidd says:

        Create a FREEDOM CELL where you live” politically active, but cognizant of your liberties.

        These cells will sprout all across America: two, three, ten Americans (gun owners all) demanding their rights under the US Constitution which is the LAW of the Land, whether a TREASONOUS Congress or POTUS says otherwise.

        If a thousand Freedom Cells across America responded appropriately to a violent attempt to disarm them and strip them of their RIGHTFUL liberties, could any Administration withstand the outrage from the electorate that would follow?

        I don’t think so. Engage.

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        • Timothy says:

          I thought about that very same idea, malitias, etc. But the government would immediately label them as a terrorist cell and crush them. It would have to be done carefully and silently. How to do that and prevent rats from joining in is the difficult part.

          Otherwise, I’d be starting a group right now.

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          • don't tread says:

            I totally, 1000% agree. The rats slipping in thru the cracks will be the hard part of any group forming. People i have known all my life are now surpeising me as they make stupid decisions and turn on the very people they may need in the near future. Most of those that have gained a little wealth and “stuff”, and have gotten too big for their britches and above their “raising”, are the very ones that have taken God and Christ out of the equation and made themselves like “mini-gods”. Those are the kind to be very wary of.

            Any groups that form, will most likely be of a like mind and have the Father and Son at the forefront. They will probably form out of desperation and anger, “after” the SHTF.

            Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for “with” God all things are possible.

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        • John W. says:

          Half the cells will be govt. informants. This ain’t Afghanistan where everyone is everyones cousin. It better be me, myself and I. Otherwise you are going down.

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          • maudy fricket says:

            Individuals must be active. No more than three man cells. Silence is security. Stay with what you know.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Freedom Cells are spontaneous, grass roots groups organized at the local level by Patriots taking the initiative to spread the gospel of personal liberty which is OUR heritage. Connect with persons you know and love and multiply your voice.

              Become politically and spiritually active.

              These cells should be first and foremost loud and vocal about American freedoms, The Bill of Rights, and the US Constitution at the local level to spur your community to patriotism and a return to the founding Principles of America.

              These principles are God, Country, Constitution, and family. These are the values by which true Americans live and by which this nation endures.

              Where these values have been corrupted decline has set in and those cities stand as vacant witnesses; a testament to the liberal theology of the Left.

              Acknowledge the Source of OUR liberties and honor that Source; the Union will endure and so will OUR way of life. Free choice, as agents of free will co-creating with OUR Creator, for well or ill, is the essence of OUR humanity.

              Free choice requires personal liberty.

              Freedom Cells should spread the message of personal liberty everywhere and especially on the internet on blogs and message boards: particularly on the comment sections of major LSM like Yahoo! and others.

              The origins of OUR heritage and the special blessings WE have as Americans need to be annotated for others and reinforced to them; understanding that OUR ascent and prosperity as a nation is generated and sustained by OUR faith and OUR participation in the American way.

              Send the message loud and clear: Americans will not be deprived of their Freedoms by the Globalists in Government who seek nothing less than the dissolution of the US Constitution so that they can merge US into the NAU with Mexico under UN auspices, as the next step toward One World Government.

              Such an action by the PTB is fundamentally abhorrent to Nature’s God and TREASONOUS under the foundations upon which nation was founded.

              Voice your displease, defiance, and disobedience to this abomination called Globalism; which today, is hindered only by the US Constitution and the gun ownership of 100 million Americans.

              America will NOT be participating in One World Government. Read Washington’s Vision at SHTF Patriots if you do not believe me.

              Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote ….. for Patriots. That which is good for the American taxpayer and family is good for America. Pray for discernment. Pray for America.

              Engage your EMPLOYEES or be enslaved by them.

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        • Otherwise known as a;

          Militia of One.

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          • durango kidd says:

            A thousand Freedom Cells in resistance, if even manned by a single Patriot, acting spontaneously on any given Sunday, could create enough havoc and commandeer enough headlines as to strike terror in the heart of the PTB.

            Their grip is tenuous at best which is why the PTB are passing UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws to corral Americans. But what they are really doing is creating more Patriots.

            I love it! :-)

            They are also increasingly antagonizing those on the fringe most inclined toward violence that they will create a new generation of rebels and a higher dislike for authority. For a generation of kids on prescription drugs this is recipe for violence.

            The PTB created Osama. Now they are creating a new generation of Patriots. Authoritarian regimes never last. The ash heap of history is littered with authoritarian regimes. You would think they would learn that lesson by now.

            The future of humanity is more FREEDOM.

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        • T.R. says:

          Be funny as hell if Putin sent Spetsnaz operatives to train guerillas ……..a little belated cold war revenge . Like anything else , coming in from the Mexican border is as easy as it gets .

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    8. blackriflewarrior says:

      While I believe the gov is complicit in backstabbing the American public, this whole article is a little too “cloak and dagger” for me. I’m not sure about the whole “insider” thing. Anyway, there is a petion up to try Dianne Fucksteen for treason, sorry can’t post the link, but we all need to sign it.

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    9. Federalist45 says:

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      • durango kidd says:

        FED45: I think any Administration that attempts to illegally strip Americans of their guns will find that “life will change significantly” for THEM!!!

        They will not be able to survive the aftermath of an illegal action that creates a Civil War in this nation. In the end, THEY, at least the ones that survive, will face charges of TREASON.

        Molon Labre

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        • Bob says:

          No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.

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          • John W. says:

            No battle plan survives some moron sitting in a bar and spilling the beans to everyone who will listen.

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            • don't tread says:

              ….and a moron at the local VFD weekly meeting,civic club gathering and worst of all the local convenience store/community gas station. It has gotten so bad at our little country store, I stopped visiting. What they don’t know, won’t hurt me. The men are worse gossip mongers than the women ever thought about being.

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        • Federalist45 says:

          DK: Can you explain your spelling of “Molon Labre”? I have seen it written almost exclusively as “Molon Labe.” Is yours a more correct spelling derived from the ancient Greek? I ask because, and this may sound absurd, the term “Molon Labe” may well be the finest term ever conceived to describe the new political party that must arise in the U.S. if ever there is hope for a restoration of the republic. The Molon Labe Party. It would invite all comers dissatisfied with both the Hard Core Statist Democrat Party and the Soft Core Statist Republican Party. It would be the Anti-Statist Party, whose symbol would be no stupid animal, but, rather, the raised hand holding a rifle. So, I figure we need to get the spelling correct. What would be the most accurate English spelling of the ancient Greek term?

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    10. y99 says:

      This script changes nothing for the true American patriot, this scenario has been in the wind for years and if you’re not ready mentally, physically and spiritually by now, well I’d start.

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      • BadAmerican says:


        ..9/11 happened
        …Sandy Hook Happened
        ….from 34 to 48 million on food stamps happened
        …..40% decreased in our annual median value happened
        ……obummer re-elected happpened
        …….twinkies died happened
        ……..your waking up happened


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      • Bastet says:

        So, why are you here?

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      • If Rosebud were a mainstream anonymous source, would he/she be legitimate then?

        I often read comments where people say things such as “if this were really happening, we would have heard about it… someone would say something.”

        I think when you look at reports from people like Alex Jones, Doug Hagmann, Ulstermann, etc., those “someones” are trying to get the info out.

        Some of it may be bogus, but I do believe there is truth out there and that good people within these elite circles are trying to get it out.

        Given what we are seeing and have seen transpire in the last decade, the information in this report from Doug Hagmann may very well be legitimate… There are a host of topics and angles covered here.. Taking a single event or report individually would certainly be conspiracy theory of the highest order, but when you start sorting through events and news reports and start connecting the dots one can’t ignore that something is horribly wrong behind the scenes…

        And again, if this were really coming, do we expect ANYONE in mainstream conglomerate media or a political official, say a congressional member or someone directly within the Obama administration, to come out and tell us?

        It’s likely that any non-anonymous source looking to break some highly classified plans and details would end up locked away under Patriot Act terrorism charges or end up committing suicide with a shotgun blast to the back of the head.

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        • Bill says:

          Which is exactly why we will never know. Maybe this is the way events will unfold but there are so many variables and so many stories being tossed around it’s making my head spin.

          We live in such a fubar country anymore you would have to be blind not to see and feel what’s going on. I myself cannot imagine living in a big city or any city for that matter. That would put me right over the edge.

          I sure pray this story is b.s.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Bill: That is the intent. The PTB want to send US so much bullshit from sooo many different channels that WE would be confused and overwhelmed by it all, unable to decide and unable to act.

            Classic psychological conditioning.

            Stay grounded in God, country, Constitution, and family. These are the only values that matter. Everything else is hubris.


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        • asian prep says:

          the sheep loves their news served up to them nice and hot from the 6 o clock news while eating their slow cooked pot roast dinner then tuning in to the Andy Griffith show for dessert.

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            AP…Or they turn to that sitcom with 3 zio bitches in clevland! never seen it and wont be neither. But just the constant tv ads for that crap show is disgusting!

            Especially that 92 yr old ziobitch betty white(?) all she ever says on tv ad for show is assinine non funny jokes which always is about Fag sex-Sex and shit-sex and piss-piss and fags and lezbos-transvestite(whatis that?) and shit piss sex galore!

            And the avg dumbed down sheeps think she is a white woman, as intended to be thought of…Now that they totally dissed white Men, their going after white Women and kids too!

            Its all designed to cause folks(dumb sheeps) to think of their Own kind(whiteys) as some type super stupid-Buffon-idiot-Racist-antisemite-nazis…..While every new show or movie portrays African Blacks as some type Higher Plane nobles and leaders etc..

            Look for instance at ads for new movie called “DJANGO”!!

            Yep..Black slave breaks his “chains” goes on wild rampage to Kill “evil” white men because we all know the REAL cowboy Men was Mighty African former savages now transformed into Noble Leadership Models!

            Its all part of non stop PSY-OPS!!!….WAR aganist Whiteys and ALL WE Hold dear!

            High time for whiteys to reject it all and take a serious stand. Everybody non whites a ‘victim” of whiteys!

            Yeah right…Like life in wonderfull africa if no slavery would somehow be better than life in america?…Right!

            Bunch of Ingrates and Inbred fools. Managed by zios.

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            • Not so much says:

              OGL. Is there anywhere that you look and DONT see THEM JEWS!?

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                is there any ammount of proof to cause You to Not believe all you was told to about jews?….Ok I didn’t think so.

                Just keep your head firmly inserted up your ass fool…Oh and yes keep bashing all who try to educate you if it is about anything jew or isreal right!

                You been to collage right?…figures!

                Now go read a book by a “survivor” like ely the weazel…

                You know…The book where some survivor Saw nazis murder Both parents at a camp…5 yrs Before she or he was Born!!!

                Yet the survivor has certain “memory” genes only a jew inherits due to jews is ‘special” compared to all gentiles!…They can inherit memory genes from Dead parents who died prior to their own birth!

                Then although 8 yrs too young to be alive dureing WWII…Somehow was able to Escape nazi grip!

                By Hidding in a smoke Chimney 200 ft Up, for Three weeks straight withOUT food or water! it was a miricale I tells ya! Oy Vey!

                Then after 3 weeks, she climbed to top of chimney at 300 ft tall! and Jumped into a snow bank 4ft deep(all while a small kid age 4yrs old! thats why she can hide in a skinny size chimney!).

                Then while still Dark outside, she Ran! ran Faster and took a Mighty Leep to jump Over a 30 ft tall barbwired 20,000 Volt elec fence right under nazi soldiers noses!

                Then while Barefoot(and 4yrs old!) was somehow able to Hide in woods for Days! Till a wild pack of wolves found her naked-starved-thirsty-and barely alive!

                Did said pak wolves eat her?..NO! them wolves ran to hunt a rabbit and brung Her some Raw rabbit meat!

                Then to keep her warm and alive..The entire 8 wolves laid in a circle around her cold body to keep her warm…

                This went on for about 2 1/2 yrs untill some nice married couple from Sweeden! went strolling in same woods…Shooooed away wolves and rescued the Little “Wolf” girl!

                All of it occured as she stated several yrs Before being Born by two Dead parents whos “memories” she inherited!

                Okay! tell me when ya ready for story of survivor No2.

                Or perhaps one of the famous “6 Million” hoax…

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              • Not so much says:

                I’m prolly a Jew too huh?

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              • Not so much says:

                BTW dipshit.

                Nah, I’ve never been to ‘collage’. I did however go to college. They taut me tuh spel gooder.

                Jeez, at least learn to spell when you’re try to insult someone about their learnin. Fucking retarded anti-semite.

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          • old radio nut says:

            I much prefer slow cooked chili. Pardon to any Texicans on this site, but chili always includes beans, and speaking of beans…

            I’m ready to spill’em!!!

            I’m an INSIDER too!!!

            Journalists, Bloggers, Talk Show Hosts, MSM pretties: Yers truly, old radio nut, has the info you need at a price you can afford. Just gimme a clue and I’ll take it from there. A true ratings/count builder. I’m your inside guy. Inside of what doesn’t matter I’ll spin your web! Let’s do an interview!

            orn very tic

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        • Jeff says:

          Mac, you’re 100% correct. I’ve followed all these websites for years and you can generally tell what is BS and what’s not.

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        • maudy fricket says:

          Years back Aviation Week Magazine broke a story about a Nato jet that had accidentally shot down a civilian airliner over the Mediteranean. The story was 15 years old when it was revealed. Government employees of a few nations actually were aware of the incident, but never talked in public. The Italians actually indicted some intelligence employees for the cover up. Yes, sometimes the government can hide events.

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        • Older but Wiser says:

          Why WOULD anyone give a “heads up” warning to those who may “upset” the plans in the making….?

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        • Ryback says:

          There is no way they can do it quietly. When the raids start, we would know by word of mouth, and hear it going down. I dont think their that stupid though, for one it would be a meat grinder, and they would pay dearly. Certain politicians would have blood on their hands, and they would not be able to blame it away. And as for foreign troops in the U.S. , Russians, U.N., whatever, and Specnaz dont need any training from us. They would wait tell the turmoil starts, then stab our government in the back, and probably try to take over. Good for us in a way maybe. Who knows what would happen. All I know it won’t be good for ANYBODY.

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      • Live free or die says:


        Whether the article with the whistle blower name rosebud,( I have to admit, that is a pretty funny name)is true or not, I don’t know. I do know that they are coming for our guns and playing a game of seek you out. They are showing exactly how they will silence anyone who speaks out against their agenda. If you don’t believe that then you are in lala land. They want us to go over the Obama cliff and they want chaos and confusion to overtake us. Rough times are coming so get ready, even the mass hole media is telling you what will happen in their own pathetic way.

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      • BadAmerican says:


        go play in (insert your name here)

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    13. Ugly says:

      I remember this stuff being talked about in the 1970s thru 1990s, mostly by Preachers on Daniel and Revelation.

      I didnt think I would see it this quick.

      2013 is the year to prepare. But what do we prepare for? If I prepare and my neighbor does not, then what good did I do?

      How do I prepare for a drone? or a bank holiday?

      I am going to live and be ready the best I can, after that I dont know?

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      • How do you prepare for a bank holiday, you say? Have cash on hand. Be very, very creative at hiding it, in a variety of places, preferably some that can’t burn. Tell only one person, and remember where you put it.

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        • Bob says:

          And don’t get too comfy where you are living.

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          • That’s a good point. Be comfortable, yes, we have to have a place to let go of stress and recharge. But remember it’s just a material possession and we are not to love the things of this world, including our home. Enjoy it, yes – love it, no. I felt the Lord reminding me of this one day as I walked down the hallway – This is temporary and it belongs to the Lord. The whole earth belongs to him and He might have another place for us in the future. If we love something of the world too much and then we lose it, we won’t be able to be an encouragement to those around us who have also lost things.

            Also, keep some cash somewhere off your property. Easier said than done, I know. I need to take my own advice and find somewhere to cache a few things. Somewhere you could get to easily. I’m thinking, on the property of someone you trust, with their permission, especially if they can’t see exactly where it is.

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    14. Jughead says:

      BI…..thanks for your multiple inputs….but this one is probably over the top….I.e….unlikely. Anything is possible, I guess,….and I want to be prepared and aware of all thrats, but in my humble judgement, what you describe seems more compatible with the tin foil hat crowd…..fwiw….

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      • Be informed says:

        @ Jughead. I hope you are right, germs scare me more than nuclear war or an asteroid hitting the planet. Unfortunately evil has no boundaries as one can see from shooting those little people over and over again, 3-11 times each. If someone in the government is evil enough they can easily accomplish much with germ warfare. The ONLY reason Assad hasn’t used those chemical weapons is because he knows what will happen afterwards. Some say Assad’s father used chemicals on his people, as well as hussein did of course.

        Here’s the thing, the United States and Russia have the most advanced bio-weapons there are, followed very closely by China and North Korea. These bio-weapons are there for future use, including by the U.S. on whatever enemy they deem suitable for.

        I can understand your ideas of the tin foil hat crowd, as no one could really see another person unleasing this type of horror on others. The mere fact that the U.S. has manufactured practically every type of bioloogical agent to be used in warfare known to man, means that they are more than capable of using it.

        As you know I am extremely careful not to exaggerate anything, I go by facts, this is how I was able to come up with a method of forecasting earthquakes, NEVER skewing the numbers. Pure honesty, what i hope to expect from others. Now granted this is speculation on my part about the use of germs to help control the population, but you have to admit it would be extremely effective means of achieving their goal of mass control.

        I have read many books on warfare, and actually germs are a prefered method of killing the enemy. Many generals have spoken that it is the cleanest method of disposing of the enemy, and one of the CHEAPEST. This is what really spooks me, is the old saying that germs are a poor man’s nuclear bomb. The real problem with germs that, unlike the nuclear bomb that expels all of its energy is a few seconds at most, the germ will continue to spread as long as there is a host or a reservior in which it can stay stable.

        If you are an evil leader that is hell bent on total oppression which method of obtaining your goal would you choose? A revolution in which there are large pockets of resistance in which much resources are taken to win this long battle, that you could lose like Assad is finding out. Or would you use a virus that is highly contagious, but that you have the vaccine for and even a type of way of controlling it even if it mutates, that takes down whom you select to take down with very minimum resources used and practically no manpower lost? See that is what is so frightening.

        Did you see the Red Dawn movie that was made back in the 1980′s? Remember when the Russians dropped the food on purpose so the Wolverine guerillas would pick it up, then the Russians sent the attack helicopters to finish them off? This didn’t make sense at all because you wouldn’t get all the rebels. Lace the food with a very slow acting bacteria in which symptoms don’t appear for a couple of weeks and no more Wolverines in the movie no matter how many of them there was.

        See how ugly germ warfare is, but how effective it is because people just don’t see germs or know that they are there. People become terrified also when they see their bodies becoming liquidified, I sure would. Most people when they are terrified lose the ability to reason and think rationally, and will do just about anything to cure themselves. This type of psychological warfare also works TOO WELL. This is again a terrifying thought, but too possible.

        This is why people have to learn to sanitize themselves, their food, clothing, everything after a germ episode and after a SHTF events just because of the shear dirty conditions afterwards. To combat illness people need to learn about what to use to help their bodies fight off infection and viruses and bacteria. Vitamin A and C are so important. Elderberry works pretty good. Zinc is wonderful up to 100 mg. L-lysine is a good one. Grapefruit seed extract is a powerful immune builder. Even good old garlic. Preppers/survivalists can survive most germ attacks, but it takes some work and knowledge.

        Again, do I think this will happen? There is a fair to good chance of it because of the above reasons, unfortunately in my opinion.

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        • Bob says:

          It is a mistake to underestimate man’s inhumanity to man. All through recorded history, every weapon invented has been used. Governments have always been the worst mass murderers.

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    15. Emily says:

      @ Doug Hagmann – Thank you for posting this. I read this over at Steve Quayles website. It gave me pause and reflection. The DHS is watching its own DHS employees, that does not surprise me. I hope whomever the patriots are, they can slow this, fight this, cease this.
      Information is power, at least people are becoming aware.
      @ Be Informed – Thank you for your earthquake updates.
      When I read the nah,nah, nah, nah, hey, hey, hey, good bye, I lol. Well said.

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    16. lonelonemum says:

      Listen to the kids:-

      My son and his wee mates (aged 5-12) have been practicing this song all afternoon on their instruments.

      Nickleback – “When we stand together”.

      In the lil’group there’s a Somalis’s, DS is anglo-roma, others from England, Malyasia and portugal.

      In their innocence they teaching us all a lesson.

      Divide and conquer cannot work this time – way too much at stake!

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    17. Crazy Horse says:

      Hóka-héy, today is a good day to die!

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    18. Ugly says:

      Is it too late to study karate?

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    19. scott says:

      Well, to ignore anything at this time would be stupid in the way of preparing. Then this whole situation begs the real big question..where does the military come down in all of this stuff. There is no takeover without them saying yes. If a couple dozen generals conspire to derail it, it could snowball against the DHS and the POTUS big time and real fast. The DHS/TSA/FBI are no match for the military to project power and stability all over this country. No one group can control this country. The military couldn’t even venture a try knowing they would fail miserably. The military couldn’t control every major city in this country. Think about trying to control every city above 250,000 people. Can’t be done. The Russians knew it 50 years ago. How do you control a population of 311 Million people without a LONG major civil war. It would be a revolution on a higher level then WWII in Europe. They could profess to being in control of the federal/state and local governments but nothing else. They would never be able to control anything outside of any city proper.

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    20. laura m. says:

      Lots of good comments, I agree w/Jim and Be Informed. I read this too on Hagmann and sent it out to others to read. Bio weapons are most logical (low tech, easy to disperse), and gov media will blame it on some group/country. Martial law declared and the average person will comply, assuming it will get fixed in a few days. The article was written so anyone will know the agenda and warn others to get their house in order. I seriously doubt if enough people nationwide will oppose it or are even aware. Will patriots take a stand when the time comes?

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    21. wally says:

      i’m going down fighting tooth and nail….

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    22. pale rider says:

      If only 1/10 of these article is true in any way, we may have waited too long to act.

      Because when it starts they won’t turn back, we have to do something now to at least slow it down so we can organize and have a plan to take it to them. Look a march on D.C. several million strong would show them at least something.

      Like I have said before and other to, they will start this in the winter, this will hold down any resisters to go to a march. We need to show them that we are not scared to go to them in the winter, we must act now.
      Every day we put off something to counter act them, our % of success decreases.

      We do not have 6mos. to act, so someone must stand up and take the lead, we can comment all we want to on these blogs and such, but they know it is all bumping your gums. THEY NEED SOMETHING PHYSISCAL IN THEIR FACE. If nothing more it will make them stop to think about possible resistant’s. It also may show some on the fence, L E and Military that it will not be easy to carry out their orders.

      If nothing happens on our part by the end of March, IT TRULY WILL BE EVERYMAN FOR YOUSELF!

      Disagree all you want, but reality will soon be looking you square in the eyes.


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    23. kaynine says:


      “A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing numbers of producers………END QUOTE..
      After reading the dhs article,I’am so effen depressed,and who wouldn’t be? However ,it made very clear to me what we are up agains’t. Total evil,led by the devil himself. (just so you know he loose’s in the end)…Now the queston, FOR ME IS ???? DO I WANT TO DIE IN THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS?? OR PRETEND!!! TO PLAY ALONG. I HAVE NOT REALLY DECIDED…
      There are more than a few people depending on me to get this right.There are going to be some horrible situations to deal with, I’m not looking forward to any of them. NOW!! WHO WANT’S DESSERT????

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    24. braveheart says:

      BI, I’m with you all the way on what you said in #981912 and #981957. I read this same article at on Christmas Eve; very chilling and plausible. F45, the only part of your comment #981950 I have to question is about no viable defense. Sorry, I can’t accept that there’s no effective way to counter what they are planning; there is always some way. Police states have been successfully challenged and defeated going all the way back to the Roman Empire. F45, I’m sure you mean well, but don’t give up on the idea that the enemy can be fought. I’m going to stand up and fight, period. I may not last for very long, but I’ll take as many as I can with me. Surrender is not an option. I’m not submitting to any 2-bit dictator, period. Steppin up my preppin; hope everyone else is doing the same. Braveheart

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    25. JoeinNC says:

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      • two high level sources, in fact the highest levels of the State dept. and CIA, were going to testify about Bengzahi… look what happened to them… one was forced to resign 2 days after the election and the other had a “concussion” 3 days before her testimony.

        Moreover, the last whistleblower to expose the NWO agenda with state dept memos, military videos, etc. ended up in a hole in some prison for getting the information out.

        That’s what happens to named sources. Or was all that just a figment of my warped imagination?

        Is it any wonder that people with insider knowledge want to remain anonymous?

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        • Attempting to reason with Joe is like attempting to explain to a fish that it should stay on one side of the aquarium.

          Can’t be done.

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        • Zoltanne says:

          @Mac, We are aware of these isolated incidents that have “coincidental” circumstances. But these are isolated incidents, none of which took much effort to implement the plans.

          On the other hand, large “homeland missions” such as biometrics, encampments, eugenics, or US military presence all involve extreme measures that take a large bureaucracy to implement. Each of these wacko missions still involve planning, policy, and legislation to implement — and it would take more than a dozen people to do each of these, as opposed to the cited situations you used as a reason. Do you see the enormous difference between the two??

          Without overthrowing the Federal government by a segment within the government/military, these sinister John Holdrenesque measures cannot take place.

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        • Don’t forget Andrew Breitbart and Matt Simmons, who kept talking about the gulf oil spill.

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        • largetarget says:

          hey you give joe a brake for at least trying to think it through. not taking everything read hook line and sinker.

          bengazai people did step forward because it was the right thing. which is what we need here.

          now that info is out there wheather folks want to do anything about it or not.

          and come on rosebud Does make you giggle when you hear it and seems a little sketchy

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        • Penny Tration says:

          Is this as credible as that article you had of Drake last spring?

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      • Defcon 1 says:


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      • ScoutMotto says:

        Joe, please prove to us somehow that replying to you is not a waste of effort.

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      • BadAmerican says:


        still getting fucked in the mouth a lot ?

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      • don't tread says:

        I have come to the conclusion that JoeinNC is a mental masturbator/exhibitionist, among other things, that strains his little erect brain to come up with these insane acusations against preppers to attract attention to himself.
        He loves the negative attention, in some twisted way…. No guns for you; Joe.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:


        Hey Joe…..FOAD

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        J in NC…most people simply read these articles and use the info as they see fit. If they feel it necessary to share it, they do.

        Conspiracy theory is everywhere these days…the internet has more info than one could read in 2000 lifetimes.

        Many of us want to be left the hell alone.

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    26. braveheart says:

      Mac, I have to agree with your analysis. While part of the info could be false, it fits in with what I’ve seen going back to Ruby Ridge and Waco. Those two atrocities confirmed my worst fears about the US government being out of control. I first heard of things like this coming back in the 60s when I was a kid. Now things have almost come around 180 degrees. We’re heading towards war; no question about that. I’d love to think someone somewhere can stop it, but I’m not holding my breath. Braveheart

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    27. Josh says:

      Doug Haggman has cried wolf before, so just know that. Stay vigilant, though.

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      • John W. says:

        I predict that by this time next year private gun ownership will be a thing of the past with the possible exception of rim fire .22s and shotguns that hold three or less shells. The Stupid party has caved on the budget and they are getting ready to cave on gun ownership. One more shooting incident and there will no longer be any support for gun ownership in private hands. They own us and they know it.

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    28. Quick question- besides guns, what are other weapons or self defense objects should I be buying? If they take my guns, what would be the next best thing to have to protect myself?

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      • Mike says:

        Cross bow, Bow and arrows, knives, pellet gun (go for the eyes). Alarm devises, motion sensors etc to give you the edge of someone approaching especially while sleeping.

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      • kaynine says:

        a compound bow and lots of arrows. Ithink i will go and get one myself, they can be very .shhhhhh!!!!

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      • Body Armor & Night Vision so you can fight better to keep your weapons.

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      • 9mm says:

        Wow, tough questions!

        So many aspects to consider. In my area, with my skills, I would argue that tools would be the best “buy”. Note that you asked what you would want to buy…. which means to me, not already in hand. Also, where are you located now, and will you stay there when things go bad?

        What to have for self defense depends so much on where you are, and what will be the dangers you will face. Example, stuck in the middle of a large city with no plans to leave? Not really sure I could give any real good advice…

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      • 9mm says:

        Quick addition, I mention tools because, if as you say, you give up your guns, then building levels of defense/barriers might work (again depending on what you have to work with).

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      • BadAmerican says:


        ..frying pan
        …wasp spray /bic lighter
        …..recurve bow
        ……laser pointer

        The list of tools is endless once you understand that you,my fellow patriot, are the weapon.


        … are the Wolf…

        .ther is no spoon…….BA.

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      • wally says:

        buy knives and baseball bats

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      • Gunsmith says:

        @ SH (12/28/12 -13:01hrs)

        In truth sir…if you allow them to take your guns w/o killing them…

        …I’d suggest you beg or borrow a large working set of gonads…before you ever contemplate acquiring weapons of…ANY TYPE!!!


        On the off-chance that you’re female…latch onto a REAL MAN who knows the score. Treat him well & he’ll fight the armies from hell for you!!!!!!

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      • Butterknife says:

        faith and knowledge, a healthy body and mind,a bible
        psalm 91
        Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
        will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a]
        2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
        my God, in whom I trust.”

        3 Surely he will save you
        from the fowler’s snare
        and from the deadly pestilence.
        4 He will cover you with his feathers,
        and under his wings you will find refuge;
        his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
        5 You will not fear the terror of night,
        nor the arrow that flies by day,
        6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
        nor the plague that destroys at midday.
        7 A thousand may fall at your side,
        ten thousand at your right hand,
        but it will not come near you.
        8 You will only observe with your eyes
        and see the punishment of the wicked.

        9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”
        and you make the Most High your dwelling,
        10 no harm will overtake you,
        no disaster will come near your tent.
        11 For he will command his angels concerning you
        to guard you in all your ways;
        12 they will lift you up in their hands,
        so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
        13 You will tread on the lion and the cobra;
        you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

        14 “Because he[b] loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;
        I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
        15 He will call on me, and I will answer him;
        I will be with him in trouble,
        I will deliver him and honor him.
        16 With long life I will satisfy him
        and show him my salvation.”

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        • Norse Prepper says:

          Butterknife. Thank you for the perspective. Too many live in fear of what is coming. I don’t. What will come will come and I know that the time I spend on this earth is nothing compared to the eternity awaiting me after I pass on some day. That is why when there are hard times, who cares, this is a temporary situation. Deal with it.

          I will take exception to verse 12 though. I must have some bad angles because I stub my toes CONSTANTLY! The wife just laughs because she can’t believe it is possible.

          Thank you again.

          God Bless

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Butterknife: #13 says trample the Lion and serpant eh..

          Ok Our Founders already trampled that “Lion” aka symbol of britian, in Two wars england started by attacku=ing usa! 1776 and again 1812!

          So it looks as if that psalm may mean Us american patriots Today, and seems we only got the evil serpant(zios/jews) left to defeat aka Trample huh!

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      • Butterknife says:

        one more thing, a Butter knife :)

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      • Prepper says:

        SH – Awesome question! Please go to YouTube and find many videos by Joerg Sprave. This guy improvises slingshots that handle all sorts of low tech weapons from steel balls, arrows, nails, and even a rotating circular saw blade. If you are handy with power tools and don’t mind experimenting, you can come up with a decent arsenal at a very low cost. Also see if you can purchase or make an assegai (an African spear used by Zulu warriors) and maybe a tomahawk.

        SH, remember the immortal words of Albert Einstein: “I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.” Time to arm up for World War 4!!

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      • John W. says:

        For close in a can of Hornet Spray. game over.

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    29. lena says:

      “Life for the Average American is Going to Change Significantly”

      i second that. maybe not in 6 months or quickly, but it will happen.

      my prediction is the US becomes like spain. the debt becomes unmanagable and unemployment skyrockets leaving cities all over the US with regular riots, mass crimes and police using brutal tatics as the govt puts in boot on anything violent or challenging its authority.

      i’m guessing we dont see the worst until 2014, most people still think things are okay and i dont think
      the govt is ready to squash anything, anywhere; at a moments notice.

      but dark days are coming. when the debt problems do hit the fan, the govt is going to do whatever is neccessary to keep any trouble down.

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      • Lena…I slightly disagree with you in that the PTB have been planning this for a long time and they believe that they’ve got the “right guy” Obammy to do the job and I think that they’ll want to strike when the iron’s hot….so to speak! I suspect the next 3-6 months will be it….the economy & dollar will die very soon, food will become hyper-inflated-if available at all and once the gun-grab begins…well-there ya go! Along with that, numerous reports of a ton of foreign military types here in the US. I doubt that they’re here vacationing????

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        • don't tread says:

          I agree that the SHitsTF this coming year and it has been planned for a long time. The event that triggers the collapse of the economies of the world, will be WWIII and $10.00 a gallon gas/diesel. Israel will not allow Iran to assemble Nuclear warheads onto missiles that can reach their country.

          Reports have been saying Iran can achieve that assembly by mid to late summer 2013, if not before. Look for it.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          You keep forgetting unlike spain or others usa is worlds reserve dollars and prints as many as needed. As long as That aint changed…How does usa run dry or be unable to redo food stamp card digital debit reloads?

          They wont. Compering usa to any other nations is apples and oranges when it comes to money.

          Besides if anyone really desires to stop all our cash woes?…BOOT out them banksters and stop all forms of “usuury/intrest” fees….

          We has a treasury dept, congress, and why does we even need ANY Middlemen(Private banksters aka swindlers)?

          Real solutions are very simple if we can get folks to act proper and true to america instead of isreal and jew banksters obcene Profits…

          Why do we taxpayrs need to Keep funding an Entire welfare state of isreal and its aprox 7 million jewish persons any longer?…Its been aprox 65 yrs now cannot them so wise and awsome smart jews pay their Own way?

          Especially dwelling in isreal?…If They cant afford to be a jewsih state or nation on their OWN?…Too fuckin bad eh!

          Please do not say we must bless jews or God wont bless america as pastors like haggee state!

          Does it Really look as if God has been blessing america since 1960′s era?….If This is blessings? who needs Curses?!

          Seems more we bless isreal(pay their way and Kill all Their percieved enemys) the Worse off america gets!

          Either todays phony preachers is dead wrong?….Or we need give MORE free cash and aid to that Bandit state eh!

          IMHO its them preachers whats wrong alright!

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    30. Kevin2 says:

      The Anti Gunners as I expected have over reached. Their including center fire semi auto handguns that have the capability (that’s all of them) of accepting a magazine over 10 rounds. They would require NFA34 registration and require the weapon to be surrendered to the government upon the death of the registered owner. So much for granddads WWII Luger getting passed down. Their insane zeal has overstepped better political judgement and an additional 25 million to 50 million or more people are now personally effected by this nonsense legislation. If further shows the body politic that they want “all guns” when they include so many otherwise considered “normal” guns in their definition.

      The Anti Gun people know damn right well that few guns registered would be surrendered after the death of the registered owner. They would be sold and literally vanish and with no accountability fall into criminal hands eventually. The obvious solution is to confiscate said firearms while the owner is still alive. This frames a time time table for a future gun ban.

      I’m feeling more confidant that their ego is writing checks that their political horsepower can’t cash.

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    31. VRF says:

      I got a bad feeling that Newtown isnt the last Government sponsored mass killing..

      and if dis-arming is will be all out slaughter

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      • John W. says:

        I expect they will go the making an unpleasant example of route for those who do not comply first. If that does not work then they will get tougher. It really will be easy when putting down an advanced nation whose population is not used to violence or privation. Afghanis don’t care so they fight back, life sucks anyway and paradise awaits them if they die for Islam. An American might have to go without DWTS or a ball game. Oh the horror!

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    32. Anon says:

      Rosebud made forecasts of horrible thing to occur last summer and fall. Nothing came of it. Fear mongering at its best.

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    33. Bill says:

      I love this site, and I read this day ago. Seems a way bit too Tin Foil for me to believe. Besides how many are going to actually hand over their Arms peacefully? Hell I talk to Law officers I know within my family and most would tell you to go shit in you’re hat before they give up their rights.

      Take a read on this, now this would make for a fine legitimate post. ( Not to discredit the author )

      Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654 (Dick Act of 1902)

      Be well and keep up the great work.

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    34. Zoltanne says:

      “… I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge…”

      While this article has an interesting fictional base to it and some of the outcomes are plausible, the key players are not 2 femi-Nazis. Those ‘at the top’ have enormous egos, both at DHS and the subordinate agencies, and they will not fall in lockstep to their dictates. There have been NWO strategies in place for decades. Some have been implemented before Jarrett and JNap were theoretically ‘in charge’. The idea that those two are leading a covert take-over of America is absurd.

      Better to look at the realism of past events and plan for the possible events that have the possibility of the SHTF-factor than placing such extraordinary and unlimited power to the 2 femi-Nazis.

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    35. y99 says:

      Any conspiracy is possible, but the most freighting thing about scenarios like this is the level of narcissism and the number of sociopaths required to pull it off. These things alone place us in clear danger; our additional concern is the MSM/GOV ability to pit us against one another leaving us without the ability to unify.
      Unified we stand a very good chance; many on here overestimate the GOV/DHS/TSA’s technological abilities and the proliferation of armed drones, thermals and night vision. It’s one thing to have it and another to know how to use it in an urban/suburban environment.

      My hope will be in the Military leadership 05-06, E-6 to E-9 they must reflect on the oath they took and what the idea of America truly is, they must fight for US and we must always remind them of their oath, we must also stand ready.

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      • I honestly think that it will be foreign troops-UN peacekeepers who will be attempting to take guns. I think the government knows that it can’t depend on the military to do this.

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        • Bob says:

          Surely the French are up to the job!

          The UN crowd WANT this to happen, but can’t seem to find volunteers willing to do the hard parts. Plenty willing to go fight dangerous foes like in Haiti or Darfur. The few willing to go to Bosnia seemed intent on keeping their heads down to avoid having them blown off. UN forces are always the first to flee when things “go live”.

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    36. Dave says:

      Surreal. But entirely possible. I would thoroughly enjoy it if; say; someone put a well placed bullet into the feeble brains of these disgusting; over aged Marxists/Hippies. Never could understand how the Greatest Generation produced the Worst Generation.

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    37. fiftyfiver says:

      Great time to be from America! Far away from it it would seem. Happy New Year – sure gives watching the ball drop a whole new meaning me thinks. If you are not a survivalist by now … well the learning curve is pretty steep. Step Up the Prep Up and don’t forget plenty of hard spirits and cigars to celebrate with because WE WIN THIS MY FRIENDS! See you on the other side.

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    38. Private Citizen says:

      This makes for passible fiction, but grammatically it reads like a hoax. There’s lot of things to be concerned about – and this story might even touch on some of the plausible events – but seeding fantasy-as-fact (from a source with a long history of being wrong) will not help the cause.

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    39. Satori says:

      “Feinstein’s Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution”

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    40. braveheart says:

      JoeinNC, go somewhere else with your crap.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ braveheart. Isn’t it amazing how Joe can even upset Mac? I Mac is the most totally in control person there is, yet Joe again gets to him and everyone. It is like that idiotic movie “Dumb and Dumber” with Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels when they both said to that assassian in the movie, do you want to hear the most annoying noise ever made? Then the two inept comedians make this horrible sound. The actor you could see is trying desperately not to laugh his head off. Some of the comments by Joe are so ridiculous and obviously from head rammed up the ass location that you just can’t believe them. We all though seem to fall for that though.

        I have tried to reason to Joe by being kind and explaining that the people are pretty cool here and to “attempt” to carry on a conversation about something that he could learn from, no dice. Like Daisy said it is like trying to reason with a fish behind the glass, they usually just blow bubbles back at you. I though fully respect Mac in not censoring people, especially with some of the total lack of value that some trolls post. There are many sites that do censor people that don’t kiss their rear ends. Two thumbs up for Mac about allowing free speech to even the most obnoxious.

        Usually when anyone sees a JoeinNC post they red thumb it immediately and within 10 or 11 it is gone. Just like you, I too click on the see the comment to see if this one gets the hall of fame for stupid comments. Sure enough this is one thing that Joe seldoms fails at, amazing us all for topping the last comment for total absurdity.

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    41. Kevin2 says:

      Oops they’re not their.


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    42. Watcher69 says:

      Psalm 140:4 NKJV
      “Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; Preserve me from violent men, Who have purposed to make my steps stumble.”

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    43. This information aligns with what I have been hearing for many, many years. It takes a long time to bring a country down. They have to weaken it first, and that was done partially by getting people to think they should buy huge houses even if they could barely afford them, thereby getting them enslaved. Now the government owns 90% of the mortgages in the U.S. When the economy totally collapses, most will lose their houses and the govt will rent them back to them. They will lose their equity and end up so hungry and desperate that they’ll do anything, and allow anything.

      That’s only one aspect and an oversimplification of that. Suffice it to say they have been patiently waiting for the opportune time and it’s almost here. It’s been a very gradual downhill slope. They HAVE kicked it up a notch recently. Everything he said in the article has been building up for years, and if you get your news from the right places, you have been watching it happen, hearing these things from many sources for years and seeing parts of it come to pass. It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who is informed.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        LT…Yes except I think its more likly 90% of houses will be rented to 50+ Million Illeaglles After they get rid of us all and leagalize them illeagles here with many millions more to still arrive then.

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      • Bob says:

        They can’t keep squatters out of foreclosed houses even now. Are you going to live under a bridge because some goobermint puke sends you a letter saying you have been evicted?

        If the economy really tanked the cash river would immediately start running dry, and .gov would make a lot of noisy threats, but would have to expend a large chunk of dwindling resources trying to keep itself afloat.

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    44. asian prep says:

      went to 6 Wally World last night to grab the 100 value pack shells and they were all out. went to the range a week before and they were stocked to the brim. it was comforting to know that not everyone in cali are zombie libs but not cool when the manager tells you that they aren’t even sure if the trucks are bringing anymore….

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        maybe that is the plan…clear the shelves for the last time.

        the manufacturers and such have imo sided with big gub.

        how fucked is that?

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        • Bob says:

          If Feinswine got her wishlist filled, think of the economic impact. From small shops never being able to sell existing stock to manufacturers having to eat existing units, foundries that made the forgings, metal suppliers, truckers delivering new units, ammo companies, the list goes on and on. They can’t ALL survive on goobermint contracts. If the manufacturers and dealers think they can buddy up to the bully and survive, think again.

          I think it was Winston Churchhill who said “The appeaser appeases the tiger in hopes of being eaten last.”

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    45. 2 things.
      1. I feel sick, stomach, heart and mind
      2. I wish I were Jason Bourne……cause they have all the stuff we don’t. 2nd amendment was trampled on long long ago, it is only becoming evident to people now. If we truly had 2nd amendment rights as they were intended, we have everything “they” have

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      • Kevin2 says:


        “If we truly had 2nd amendment rights as they were intended, we have everything “they” have”

        And as my Italian American ancestors would say in broken English, “Youa hava bazooka youa getta respecta”.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        be your own type of “born”.

        “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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    46. Ugly says:

      A Survival tip by Ugly

      RE: How Not to talk to your neighbors about preparation.

      Ugly heads to neighbors and talks about preparedness.

      Ugly: Hi neighbor. Just thought we should talk as a community and prepare together via food and water, so we can be ready for a possible economic meltdown and food inflation.

      Neighbor: Kook.

      Ugly: No really. No man is an island. We can prepare better if we prepare together.

      Neighbor: Im not worried. I will retire from state in two years with a very good pension. Plus, Wal Mart has tons of food.

      Ugly: yeah but food inflation will hit 14% in 2013. I cannot invest anywhere today and make 14%, so I am putting together a 6 month food storage for my family. Also, I am buying heirloom seeds for my garden.

      Neighbor: Goodbye kook. Doomsdayer!

      8 months later then SHTF….

      Ugly’s House–door bell rings.

      Ugly answers the door—

      Its all of my neighbors for their evening meal!

      LOOSE LIPs SINKs SHIPs !!!!!!!

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    47. Anonymous says:

      I’m paraphrasing a civil rights activist “You don’t need to tell a man to sit in the back of the bus if you can make him believe that that’s where he’s suppose to sit, he will go there all by himself”. This government has control of the message and the sheeple already go to the back of the bus. Why would the government want to have overt totalitarian control when they already have covert totalitarian control. They will just be telling everyone to get off one bus and go sit in the back of the other.

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      • John W. says:

        They have already been conditioned to accept the invasion by illegal and legal third worlders. They actually feel guilty that more things are not done for them the poor immigrants.

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    48. Two Buckets says:

      If petrol/gasoline or diesel become scarce and the whole finacial system goes through the floor followed by anarchy, curfews with rape gangs and shoot to kill storm troopers roaming about there is one prep that is absolutely essential and free, fitness and i dont mean the gym type. Speed walking 5 or more miles a day is great for stamina and endurance. Roman soldiers used to walk up to 25 miles day after day with full kit and they conquered the known world. There was a army in southern africa who used to parachute their operators 500 miles or more into enemy territory to conduct missions these men often with limited supplies were expected to make their way back to freindly lines on foot thus they give such operations the nicknme of gunston 500′s who knows whats going to befall this world when the screw begins to tighten best be prepared to get off the tarmac and walk those old pioneer byways

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    49. Mountain Trekker says:

      Interesting article, something to ponder and stir people up. Just like how the world came crashing down in 1999-2000 the millenium and then came to an end on 12-21-12. What amazes me, is how many don’t believe in the LORD or the BIBLE which predicted a One World Government 2000 years ago, and here it is at our door step. But they will believe this article. Yes hard times are coming for America and they will continue to tighten the noose. And they will continue to push their Socialist agenda. But don’t panic, just keep doing some sensible prepping. Keep putting away a good supply of food and ammo. Yes ammo is in short supply, but it will free up after the panic subsides. They may ban hi-cap mags and certain guns, that will be hard to get and expensive, but ammo should become more available. I believe that even if they don’t get some kind of gun laws passed in Congress, they will let the United Nation Ban Treaty pass. Definitely the One World Government. So Prepare and Put your faith in the Lord, because HE will prevail. SEMPER PARATUS!!

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      • don't tread says:

        Yea i think you are right about ammo becoming more available. Especially after the “buying frenzy” dies down. The only problem is that it will most likely cost two to three times as much as it did in 2012.
        All 22 rimfire ammo increased by about .50 cents on a 50 ct. box at the local gun store over the last few weeks and a ten box limit was given. Wallyworld has sold out.

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    50. I don’t know, I’ve read through this interview at least five times. About the fifth time I was reminded of the movie “Christmas Story” on TV that ran 24 hours non stop on Christmas day. There was one scene in it where Ralphie received his decoder button in the mail from (I think it was the “Shadow”) a radio hour. He runs to the bathroom with decoder ring, pad and pencil and starts deciphering the code and it is this: drinkyourovaltine. I don’t know about you all but I’m gonna keep prepping and vigilant like its going to happen tomorrow. I’m gonna buy P.M.’s on the dips along with food on sale. I gonna keep buying ammo and puttin’ it back and say “Fuck this current government whether it be Federal, State, or Local”.

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    51. eeder says:

      john boehner just stormed out of a meeting with barry sotoro today. The stock market just sold off hard into the close and is shedding more points after hours. the united states is a paper tiger. period. you are a true banana republic.

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      • The only thing good about bananas is that they’re good for ya! Damn, I sure would like to be sitting in Sloppy Joe’s (Key West) right now with a tall Gentleman Jack (on ice) in front of me, smoking a fresh handrolled cigar, listening to some blues with the gentle breeze rustling what little bit of hair I have left, eyes…… half…….. closed…….ZZZzzzzzzz.

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      • ScoutMotto says:

        While I believe an ecnomic collapse is coming, the DOW dropping to 12,900 is not much of a change. When it drops below 12,000 quickly, it will get my attention. The Dow is the least reliable indicator right now, since it is overblown.

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        • Bob says:

          a 1300 point drop would only be a correction. I think dow could easily have a 2500 point correction, and other than panic, it would not be a huge deal.

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      • Bob says:

        NOT REALLY. We can’t grow bananas in USA. Boner and Barry want to push USA ofer a fiscal cliff. If USA goes down after Jan. 1, other things will be involved. The tax increases will be real, but the spending cuts are mythical.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          All this fiscal clif really means is that those bush taxcuts will expire and tax rates will again resume to before buch cuts began back around 2003(?)…

          Death tax back to 55% capital gains back to whatever it was?…Etc…Along with probobly some job losses too.

          A far Worse scenario that NO MSM or Polititions is speaking of is Obammacare and cost increases and fed gov beurocrats(15 person panel) decideing who pays what or who gets what treatments etc…

          Seems many here believe the so called fiscal cliff is the Big one! as in Total finacial Collapse and halt of all goods or services etc…NOT TRUE!

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    52. Satori says:

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    53. wildad says:

      This report is bogus. Nothing this extreme will happen any time soon. The Hagmanns are well known for extreme hype.

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    54. lemmingsrnotusdamnit says:

      Sorry. But anything from InfoWars is suspect as hell. I’m a prepper, and I’m as worried as everyone else, and I think the government is full of psychopaths. I definitely feel things could be going to hell at any time. And I have no doubt the feds have contingency plans for civil unrest.

      But to borrow a phrase from a prepper I respect, Alex Jones and Infowars suffer from Information Incest. They use anonymous sources and reference their own articles as supporting evidence.

      They are no different than the annoying infomercials on T.V. What do they sell? Paranoia.

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      • They reference their own articles because those articles have links to news and supporting documents. They know that their opinion isn’t evidence, and don’t promote it as such. They might offer information that they’ve gotten from several different unnamed sources if it corroborates with each other. Scripture considers 2 or 3 witnesses to be enough. We should at least take seriously the testimony of 3 independent witnesses.

        One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deuteronomy 19:15

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    55. VRF says:

      3 Cops shot on NJ cops shop..
      Notice , None of them dead,, and no more than 3 were shot..


      Because they had FUCKIN GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    56. Long live the spirit of Jonas Clark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    57. Wizard of ZOG says:


      worth reading

      What the FBI Wants to Hide From You In Their 2011 Gang Threat Assessment

      Recent seizures in Denver, Colorado identify close involvement between street gangs in the Denver area and drug traffickers in Mexico and along the Southwest border. In July 2010, a search warrant tied an Untouchables street gang member to nearly half a million dollars intended for a source of supply in Juarez, Mexico, according to FBI reporting.

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    58. stu johnson says:

      I enjoyed reading this as I enjoy most of my daily view of this site,however, it seems a little far fetched.
      However, how many people leave the military every year?
      I really don’t know but over the last 30 years or so it probably amounts to a lot more than are currently in the military. And a good many must be combat vets.
      Also there are a lot of GOOD shooters in this country that were not in the service, and some of these guys are GOOD. A LOT of people are going to say NO-WAY.
      And where are all of these gun grabbers going to sleep?
      After the first raids the ambushes of the gun grabbers will start. Then there may be some offensive attacks on them and the system that would destory us.
      I really don’t think that we the people will lose, if anything like this goes down.
      Mao tse-tung on guerrilla warfare is a good guide. Our own history is a good guide. And a LOT of us just ain’t gonna give up–ever.
      We ARE going to kick donkey.
      Have a wonderful day. STU out.

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    59. Trail Guide says:

      I have theory that works for my wee brain. Some news may / might be a deep conspiracy talk. It’s easy to say “see, he said and nothing happened”. (note to self: never forget to be happy ‘IT didn’t happen’ today)
      On the other hand, if we didn’t hear / read the talk then we wouldn’t ENGAGE and do our research, weigh / balance and most importantly BE ON GUARD.
      I tuck some info in a side pocket as I have little hairs on the back of my neck that raise when necessary.

      In this great information highway, it might seem detrimental that some info is lame; but the alternative is the little hairs would not be on guard. It’s all about perspective.
      These troublesome times didn’t just pop up because some loons were bored. I do wish life was boring as watching paint dry. Unfortunately – it IS NOT. >On Guard< has now been become a permanent mode of operation.

      Glad to have Mac shaking and baking the news… hope you had a blessed Christmas holiday.

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    60. The realist says:

      Who ever turns in their guns willingly deserves to get poked In the shorts once the final event happens..

      I am a firm believer of live and let live..

      The problem we have these days is that we are all plugged in and know, well.. Are informed by the media to what big Govt wants us to see, feel, taste and believe..

      Until we don’t dump the queen and kings TEA into the bay again.. We will be suceptable to living from lie to lie.. Until its blows up in our own faces..

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    61. WAR (Willing And Ready) says:

      It’s better to be prepared and nothing happens than to be unprepared and something happens.

      Look, we can (and we should) talk and think about the various things that can happen, collapse of the bond market, collapse of the dollar, war in Syria, food shortages, skyrocketing food prices (farm bill wasn’t renewed) and of course the countless false flags that could be initiated… many that we may not be thinking about.

      That all said, no matter how many unnamed sources feed us information… one chilling and telling fact that is glaringly obvious is that DHS purchased over 1.6 billion bullets… DHS is NOT the military so why do that need that much ammo.

      While they stock pile ammo, dig underground bunkers, flee to rural areas and stack up seed vaults… they are the ultimate preppers but they demonize and look to demoralize any citizen that looks to do the same.

      There is a reason… that want us to be stripped of everything (guns, ammo, food, etc) and bent over butt naked for the ultimate f*ck you that they are going to send up the American people’s azz.

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    62. Satori says:

      off topic
      but I just love Daisy !!!

      “Preparedness. It’s a state of mind.

      When you are a prepper, you begin to think differently than the other folks on the block. Not only do you take steps to become physically prepared, with food, medical supplies and tools – but you are mentally prepared. You develop a problem-solving mindset”

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    63. BadAmerican says:

      Gun confiscation…not in my house.

      We will be the roto-rooter to flush those commie turd traitors.

      …me and my widow maker standing firm…ninja style…BA.

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    64. john says:

      this sounds like entertainment! I can only comment on what I am personally involved in. I work for a PD of 300 officers which borders a PD of 6000 Officers. I haven’t seen any tanks, TSA/DHS joint training exercises with Law Enforcement or “Let’s confiscate guns” preparations. I do believe that there are many problems that need to be addressed, but one of those problems is when “source” makes claims with no proof. Would anyone purchase a car, convict his/her neighbor or discipline his/her children with the same weight of evidence as presented here?
      I’m sure I will see replies of,”you’re blind, you’ll see.” I preparing for the worst but would still like to see evidence of claims made. Without evidence, it is just propaganda. There are enough people out there that accept everything at face value, don’t add to the problem, think for yourself…

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      • RickInOregon says:

        John I couldn’t agree more with the gist of what you’re saying. I’m beginning to lose the seriousness of this site. I wish SHTFplan would get off the hard to believe doom crap and get real. There’s a need to be ready for when it does hit the fan but I fear that by posting stories like this one, that it will turn people off that should be turning on the aware switch. It’s doing more harm than good. Right now with the debt problems, tax problems, job problems, trade problems, gun control problems, energy problems, divided nation problems, expanding poverty problems, propaganda problems, loss of national identity problems, the rewriting of history problems, the endless wars problems, the screwed up foreign policy problems, the government waist problems, the government lies and deceit problem, the slipping from greatness problem, the national message of defeat and to except mediocrity and second fiddle and to except that China will be the new world leader problem, the continued death of a thousand cuts to our liberty problem, the global stomping and policing problem, there should be more than enough actual and tangible issues to motivate a prepper without having to resort to the theater of the absurd.

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      • Anonymous says:

        With all due respect im not in law enforcement and i am from a very small town, our local pd just recieved 2 apc vehicles. Not syaing your department isnt getting ready but maybe others are. Just my 2 cents.

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    65. RICH99 says:

      ROSEBUD is an email insider but doesn’t know what the catalyst will be and he is a whistleblower …….give me a break …..what naive person will believe this crap

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    66. The realist says:

      Now that the world didn’t end.. We can now worry about all of this.. And not the bigger picture..

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    67. KY Mom says:

      New Executive Order…

      Obama orders PAY RAISES for Biden, members of Congress & federal workers in 2013.

      Posted at the Weekly Standard

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    68. Rachel says:

      Oh man, reading that interview was like reading a script for the X Files. Un-named sourses using code names? LOL. Seriously? I could see the scene as I read it complete with theme music. LOL, I needed a good chuckle.

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    69. Be informed says:

      This is what will become a common place type of crime all over the United States IF guns and other self defense devices are banned like in piers morgan’s “1984″ type country of England:

      When I see some innocent women gang raped like this, and the FACT that England has almost 4 times the rape rate than the U.S., it terrifies me what so many innocent people would have to go through because of these antigun, anti-self defense higher than a cloud “toad licking” liberal radicals IF they get their way of disarming America. Numbers don’t lie. Get rid of people’s guns and self defense and the crime rate goes out of control. Also get your country invaded someday from an enemy that has plenty of firearms.

      I love what Larry Pratte told that toilet breath piers morgan, stop being friends to the criminal.

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      • oldfatbroad says:

        The rape victim died. They rammed a lead pipe up her after they were finished with her. She died in hospital in Singapore. I believe her boyfriend was killed too.

        The men who did this are to be tried for murder. Finally!

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    70. seanx40 says:

      Regardless of ones political views, or mental health, you have to believe this is bullshit. The US government doesn’t have the ability to pull off 1/10 of this idea. Know any local cops? Do you really think they would help with this? No, of course not. IN any real emergency, cops are going home to protect their own. No one is going door to door collecting guns. There isn’t anyone stupid enough to do that job. You would need a force of millions to do that. There isn’t such a force.

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    71. Watcher69 says:

      After coming out of my “coma” (being awakened to the truth about TPTB) it reminded me of this movie….

      “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill — the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill — you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.”

      “I’m trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You’re the one that has to walk through it.”

      “The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.”

      “What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.”

      “Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.”

      “The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.””

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    72. Mountain Trekker says:

      What a shame. I read some really good comments that are posted by some very intelligent people, that I would like to give a thumbs up, but they seem to have to put some profanity in that isn’t necessary. When they have made a very good point without it.

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    73. Anonymous says:

      I think this is bullshit.

      Too many people own guns- there’s no way they could disarm Americans.

      Also, what would they do with us once they ‘caught’ us?

      We are the workforce, OK? I can see them doing some of this, but not all of it.

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    74. kaynine says:

      A thought on the fiscal fubar!!! in regards to the new gun control bill,Our elected shill’s will just do what they have always done in the past, attach it to another bill.This is the way it always happen’s. ask for it all,and settle for half.We loose our gun right’s and are then told,that it could have be much worse. (sound familiar)

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    75. name withheld says:

      Have yall been disusing the coming gun control laws with everyday folk you run across in stores and what not?

      I have and if I had to run the numbers we are out numbered by Fox,CNN,Local news watching sheeple that have been brainwashed into letting/wanting the gov to ban/confiscate our firearms.

      Its going down like it or not. Your gonna have to choose where you stand and make a stand or lay down. That simple.

      I for one will have none of it!!!

      Whether this insider is real or some psyops plant is not important. They are going after our guns and if that is not a clear indicator to you that the wheels are in motion to push the police state agenda then you need your head checked.

      I have moved my hardware to a safe location and as soon as the first shots are fired in defense of the Constitution I/we will be on my way to join the cause.

      Peace full marches have proven not to work.

      jtk: Drones are hackable… Do the math..

      This is my word and my bound and for any agent reading this. Fuck you, put me on your list, I’m probably already on it. You might