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    Guns And Ammo Production Maxed Out: “This is a Society Preparing For War”

    Mac Slavo
    February 14th, 2013
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    President Barack Obama is, arguably, the best gun salesman ever. Over 65 million guns have been purchased since the President took office in 2009. FBI background check statistics indicate that, over the last twelve months, Americans purchased a new gun every 1.5 seconds, a figure which suggests there is much more to the recent panic buying than people just stocking up to go hunting or sports shooting.

    The following guns and ammo industry report indicates that every major gun and ammunition manufacturer in the country is running at 100% capacity, with many so far behind that they’ve stopped taking new orders altogether.

    Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

    RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

    FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!

    Armalite: Maxed out.

    DPMS: Can’t get enough parts to produce any more product.

    COLT: Production runs increasing weekly…bottle necked by Bolt carrier’s.

    LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity…can’t get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

    Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

    AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

    MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

    RELOADERS… ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra’s for reloading purposes… it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we’ll keep you posted…

    Many who have exercised their Second Amendment protections are first time buyers concerned with Federal and State gun grabs being spearheaded by politicians who are using the Sandy Hook school shooting as a pretext to restrict access to personal defense rifles, larger capacity magazines, and even ammunition.

    But this may only be a part of why there’s so much demand. There are millions of Americans who are genuinely concerned with not just the government taking their guns, but all of their other Constitutionally protected freedoms as well.

    We understand what happens in regimes that disarm their people. We’ve seen the democide of the last century, which left hundreds of millions of people dead or displaced when their governments turned on them.

    We are determined to prevent it from happening in the land of the free.

    Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand.

    It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone.

    This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.

    Source: Bob Owens via SteveQuayle.com

    With over 300 million firearms in America in the hands of private citizens, the people are sending a loud and clear message to their government.

    Back off. Stop encroaching on our personal liberties. Limit yourself to your Constitutionally granted powers and nothing more.

    You’re not the only ones that are armed.

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    1. CrackerJack says:

      “Back off. Stop encroaching on our personal liberties. Limit yourself to your Constitutionally granted powers and nothing more.

      You’re not the only ones that are armed.”

      Amen to that. I’ve waited several weeks to buy some .22lr. It is OOS everywhere. Finally had the DW go to the store when they got a shipment in yesterday. She was allowed to buy 1 friggen box of 525…

      • Claymation says:

        Wow, Are shelves are still pretty well stocked. I hate it when anyone selling anything sets limits. I mean, are they in business to sell or not. If you get up early in the morning to beat a crowd and buy it all, how is that your fault that others are too slow? Pure BS. My son and I run through 500 easy about every 2 weeks. Clay

        • Barterman says:

          Thats why they set limits.duhh

          • clint hospo says:

            READ THIS IF YOU WANT AMMO/MAGS. I ALWAYS TRY TO HELP YOU BUT IF YOU CALL A FEW OF THESE PLACES and check weekly THEY WILL HAVE AMMO/GUNS. ACE SPORTING GOODS IN WASHINGTON PA(WHICH PHONES ARE BUSY A LOT OF TIMES) WILL HAVE MANY AR-15′S BIG SELECTION PROBABLY IN STOCK MAYBE NOT AND ALLOW FOR ONE MAG PER DAY FOR AR15 CURRENTLY. PRICES ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER ON GUNS BUT USUALLY HAVE. AS FOR AMMO NOT SURE IF THEY DELIVER BUT YOU COULD BUY A GUN FROM THEM AND HAVE THEM SEND IT TO A GUN DEALER LIKE GANDER MOUNTAIN OR A SMALLER GUN DEALER IN YOUR TOWN. NOT SURE ABOUT CALIFORNIA ETC.. AMMO THEY HAVE BUT EXPENSIVE AND NOT CHEAP. CARRY LESS COMMON ROUNDS LIKE .338 LAUPA AND .50 CAL 2ND ATLANTIC TACTICAL GUNS STORE IS MY FAVORITE IN NEW CUMBERLAND PA NEAR HARRISBURG PA CARRRY SCAR-16′S.(WHERE I got mine) THEY HAVE MANY MAGAZINES AND GET ABOUT 5,000 A WEEK BUT GO QUICK. THEY DO DELIVER I KNOW, NOT SURE IF THERE IS A MIN. THEY ALWAYS HAVE .223 AND 40, 45 NO .22 AND 9MM AND 308. THEY CARRY A FEW SPECIALTY ROUNDS LIKE SOLID BONDED BASE .223 OR PDX.223 ROUNDS BUT IN SMALLER AMOUNTS. THEY ARE GOOD WITH KEVLAR PLATES, TRAMA PLATES SIZING ETC, THEY CARRY ABOUT 25 GUNS ON DISPLAY LONG GUNS. LIKE FN SCAR, A COUPLE COLTS/ SMITH WESSON m&P. LWRC ABOUT 5 MODELS AND A COUPLE OF ROCK RIVER ARMS. THEY ARE GOOD ON CALLING AND GETTING MAGS. I PICKED UP 4 60 ROUND SUREFIRE MAGS AND 2 100 ROUND SUREFIRE. THOSE I HAVE NOT SEEN AND I DONT THINK ARE PRACTICAL BUT JUST WANTED. ATLANTIC TACTICAL IS GOOD FOR MAGS IF YOU CALL WEEKLY AND DO SHIP. AMMO NOT A HUGE SELECTION BUT GOOD ON FN AND LWRC THEIR GUN PRICES ARE GOOD AND AMMO SLIGHTLY HIGHER AND MAGS ARE BEST DEAL.

            THEN THE BEST FOR RELOADING IS beikirch east rochester ny. THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST BULLETS/PRIMERS AND POWDERS AND BEAT MOST PRICES I HAVE SEEN. i GET RETUMBO 7-8LB JUGGS FOR MY 338 LAUPA FOR LIKE 190 BUCKS! VERY REASONABLE!! THEY ALWAYS HAVE PRIMERS AND POWDER AND BULLETS HORNANDY,SIERRA MATCH GRADE ETC. GUNS HAVE PISTOLS AND A FEW RIFLES BUT NOT MUCH, BEST KNOWN FOR RELOADING.

            THEN I ALWAYS FIND AND HAVE A SELECTION OF .223 AND 7.62X39 AND 7.62X54. THERE IS A NEW COMPANY THATS USING THE XM193 BULLET BUT RELOADED BRASS CALLED INDEPENDENT OR SOMETHING AND CHARGING 9.99 FOR 20 ROUNDS OF AT GANDER MOUNTAIN IN JOHNSTOWN PA GANDER MOUNTAIN. THAT IS WHERE I GOT MY xm855lc1 THE GREEN TIP SLIGHT ARMOR PIERCING ABILITY. 420 ROUNDS FOR 199.00 FOR AR15. THEY NEVER HAVE MAGS BUT DO HAVE A LOT OF .223 IN STOCK.

            SORRY FOR THE MESS BUT IF YOU CALL AND CHECK MIGHT HELP YOU OUT ON THE WEST COAST. THE ATLANTIC TACTICAL HAS BEST MAG SELECTION AND THERE ARE 4 STORES TO CALL. THE NEW CUMBERLAND ONE NEAR HARRISBURG PA IS A GOOD BUSINESS.

            i DONT LIKE THE PEOPLE AND THEY ARE IDIOTS, THE OWNER IS A FUCKING DICK BUT HAVE A BIG SELECTION AS WELL OF GUNS IS BUFFALO GUN CENTER IN BUFFALO NY ON HARLEM ROAD. IF YOU CALL THEM THEY CARRY A LOT OF .22 WOLF MATCH GRADE A LOT OF .17 AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT .22 THAT ARE LOOKING FOR ALL SORTS OF BRANDS. TOO MANY TO LIST. A BIT HIGH BUT HAVE THEM. ALSO CARRY TONS OF 40 AND REALLY CRAZY SIZE CALIBERS. SO GIVE ANY OF THEM A CALL TOMORROW. IF YOU GET A DICK AT BUFFALO GUN CENTER HANG UP AND CALL BACK AND TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE. THE SALES PEOPLE DIFFER BIG TIME IN WANTING TO HELP YOU. THE PEOPLE AT ATLANTIC TACTICAL ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE BUT TALK THEIR TALK DONT CALL AND ACT LIKE RAMBO. JUST TALK LIKE THIS ISNT YOUR FIRST RODEO AND CALM AND THEY WILL HOOK YOU UP. THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STUPID AND IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT AND ASKS DUMB QUESTIONS THEY WONT WASTE THEIR TIME TO HELP YOU. ACE SPORTING GOODS IN WASHINGTON PA HAS ABOUT 25 PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE PRETTY BIG STORE. ATLANTIC TACTICAL HAS ABOUT 4-5 MAIN PEOPLE. BEIKIRCHS HAS ABOUT 10 PEOPLE FOR THE RELOADING CENTER, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU LOOKING FOR OR THEY WILL BE SHORT WITH YOU BUT IF YOU KNOW THEY WILL HELP. JOHNSTOWN PA GANDER MOUNTAIN HAS A FEW YOUNGER GUYS AND A FEW GUYS IN THEIR LATE 30 AND A FEW OLDER ONES, THEY ARE RATHER NICE.

            HOPE THIS HELPS AND GIVE THEM A CALL, AND SORRY FOR THE WRITING IN ALL CAPS. JUST WANTED YOU TO TRY AND GET HOOKED UP. BEING SERIOUS HERE.

            • clint hospo says:

              are you kidding me for the thumbs down already? do you realize dumb asses that people can’t find ammo and mags and these places do have them!! If I didn’t give a crap I would of never wasted the time to give you this info or could of bought more for myself and some of you would still be looking and never get them. Goes to show you how stupid some people really are or how uncaring you are. In my book you can go fuck yourselfs and you have no interest in guns or even preparing yourself. I hope you go thru hell when America collapes. It’s idiots like you out there that would never share ideas or resources. Again I hope your life is hell or gets worse. I spent a lot of time trying to help these people. But I guess you don’t give a fuck do you anti-gun idiots or die hard liberals. You are selfish just like Obama and that whole admin. I wouldn’t give you a rotted carrott if I had a ton of them at this point fuckers. Joe in NC hope you get shot in the nuts and mom kicks you out of her house.

              • clint,

                Thanks for posting the info buddy, I think you got some thumbs down because its very hard to read in all caps.
                All caps also implies screaming at people and we both know that just doesn’t work.
                And from the looks of the next post you might wanna go shoot a few rounds off, it always helps me claim down

                Stay focused brother,

                DPS

                • Ya’ll check out RT news very cool pics of a meteor strike. And the russians shot it or so they say

                  DPS

                • InsanityISContagious says:

                  Clint: You have to appreciate the irony of the situation.

                  You do everyone the courtesy of posting the info that could potentially save their lives and yet the folks are flapping over the fact that you used CAPS on the Internet? OMG!!! I am rolling on the floor. CAP away, brother. EVERYBODY should be standing up and SCREAMING that the crap that is going on today is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!

                  Hard to read…OMG, I am still laughing — wait until you have no food and no light and are huddled trying to hide from the wars that are coming and see if shit is hard to read.

                  Clint — thanks a bunch bro! Appreciate the info!!

              • Paranoid says:

                You got the thumbs because you blather like you have diarrhea of the mouth and your post is impossible to read.

              • lower40 says:

                thanks for posting brother ,the caps dont bother me i cant half see anyway ,i guess i dont see it as shouting ,more like hey im excited to share this with you ,ive stoped looking here in SWFL im 30mi out, to much gas just to see empty shelves

              • GOP4EVER says:

                Thanks for this great info, Clint. I personally like all caps…………….

              • 10% Off says:

                Clint – You would have thought you stopped in the middle of a speech to take a drink of water! Don’t sweat it : ) Those with any sense will feel your sincerity….as for the rest, well….

                Oh, and you have to have nuts before they can be shot off!

              • Thanks Clint, much appreciated brother!

              • Shooty McBang says:

                You’re helping people out. Those that don’t know any better at this point never will. The blind cannot see that they can not see. There are enough of us that “get it” to see us over this hurdle.

              • Doesn’t particularly sound very American, bro.

                The thumbs-downers have the right to their opinion, no matter how dumb or short-sighted they may be – so long as they don’t infringe on our rights. So – let ‘em. You have the right to yours as well, of course, but to wish the worst to your fellow citizens – well chill, though agreed, don’t come whining to us when if/when the crap hits the fan. Makes us look as illogical as they are.

                Thanks for what you are trying to do.

                Red

              • doc J says:

                Thank you Clint for the good and useful info.

              • dfisherman says:

                @ CLINT: DIG MY MELLOW FELLOW,SOME FOLKS JUST SUBSCRIBE TO THE AFORE-MENTIONED OSTRICH THEORY(FEB/07)AND AIN’T A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO FOR THEM BUT PRAY.KEEP ON WITH THE INFO CAUSE SHOULD THERE EVER BE A DAY OF RECKONING,NO DOUBT THIS WILL FRY THEIR BRAIN SOMETHING FIERCE. BE GOOD&KEEP PREPPING!!!!!!!!!!

              • Response to a Moron says:

                You sir, are a fucking idiot. You’re arrogant, know-it-all, self-righteous attitude is what got you voted down.

                You don’t think we can find our own mags? That we needed your “help”? While you shouted down at the rest of us?

            • j Stuart says:

              Annoying. Learn to avoid shouting.

              • Gunner says:

                THIS IS WRITING IN CAPS! This is SHOUTING in caps. Does anyone here remember when all we could use on the pre-public internet WAS %UCKING CAPS? If this is your major bitch, life must be damn good in lollipop and gumdrop land.

            • Clint – all caps aside, thanks for the info! I spent my whole saturday going to 3 other shops where they said they’d been “hoovered” out of almost everything.

              I’ll be checking out Ace soon…oh and since you’re local to SW PA check out our prepper meetup! (linked above)
              :)

              -DP

          • amused says:

            i witnessed 36 boxes of 9 dissappear in under 48 hours,at 17 bucks a 50rd box, ar mags are still going for 30-40 if you find one
            i understand many who bought a detach-mag firearm recently learned they cant get mags, and guns are starting to arrive but arent selling because of this mag issue, some have had to alter mags not correct to work so they have a spare, they set limits because i heard early on that customers were goin at it over bulk purchasing, we are in this together, would u throw me a mag if im out, id hope, if you have a issue with lack of mags or ammo or supplies, i hope you have buddies who barter, i dont see the old days returning any time soon, things also selling out include kevlar helmets and flak jackets, lights lasers, good scopes,etc. wish i had a flak jacket to go hunting with

            amused

            • speedymh says:

              I think we are on the same team! I would toss you a fresh mag, and if we both run out, well we gave it our best shot.

            • Dimarco says:

              If you have not been able to get enough mags or ammo…when SHTF, choose wisely and use what you got to TAKE from those who who would take your life from you. The aggressors and trespasser of our country and Constitution have been buying plenty of ammo and mags with OWN Tax money, so only fair to use your one round to take their many rds and mags.
              Quid Pro Quo…

            • tyrannyandtraitors says:

              I will throw you a mag and some ammo brother. We patriots will need each other before this is all over.

            • Mountain Trekker says:

              Amused.36 boxes in 48 hours! Well get a load of this,in North Central Missouri, there is a gun shop that gets ammo in every Fri. morning, and when they get there to open, there are customers in lawn chairs waiting for them. My son said he went there one Fri. to see if they had any 223, and the guy said they got 35,000 rounds in that morning, and limited customers to 500 rounds each, and in 45 mins. it was all gone. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

        • Paranoid says:

          Pay attention, shelves are EMPTY

        • Manganese says:

          You better stop running through 500 per week and start stockpiling 500 per week.

          • MXLord327 says:

            Right you are! That’s why they make air rifles….

          • Claymation says:

            Got plenty no worries. My Aunt owns a sporting Goods store. In return for helping out there now and then (holidays etc..), she sets aside what we need. This time a year it is more like 300 rounds every couple of weeks. We have about 30,000 rounds set aside, that are strictly not for target, well not paper ones any how. Peace.

          • GDawg says:

            Thats what I’m talkin bout. We have 3 Daisey Red Ryders for practice and actually do alot of shooting with those. Kid you not, my 9 yr old boy can shoot someone in the eye, (easy) at 20-25 ft. Theyre great for practicing techniques and form. I got 3 rifles needin to be sighted in. Gonna allow 20 rounds each then no more. Glad I started my collection in 09′ Semper Fi. III

            • kimintn says:

              @ gdawg you may want to look at a laser bore sighter. then you only need a few rounds to verify the sight.

            • Not Timothy says:

              :( I started in ’09 too but just didn’t stock up fast enough. AND, I learned something about myself. When Sandy Hook happened I was horrified and somewhat paralyzed — last thing I wanted to do was go out and buy a gun. And I should have. And anything else I could get my hands on. Lesson learned. I won’t repeat that mistake. It’s still possible to fix this, though difficult. And I’ll be better off for in my decision making process.

            • MXLord327 says:

              I love practicing snap-shooting with the air rifles. Hold it in a normal carry position with the safety on, and snap it up to your shoulder as quick as you can and fire, both eyes open, don’t even look at the sights. With enough practice you can become very accurate. I can snap shoot a clothes pin off the clothesline 8 out of 10 tries at about 20-25 feet. You can tell if you are going to hit as soon as the rifle touches your shoulder. It’s a lot of fun, but the wife is getting pissed that I am killing all her clothespins….

            • Colorado grandma says:

              Tried out 2air rifles. Daisy is great. Pull up and shoot, don’t use the sights. Practice makes perfection. Doing well with Daisy and will get more. Cheap practice and I will be excellent when I need to be. At 29.99 it is a bargain and I don’t need to use real ammo. Go daisy.

        • BigB says:

          @Claymation,

          I don’t know where you are at but here in Calif. almost nothing is available. Woman at Big 5 day before yesterday told me that a shipment would be in the next morning at 10:00, that there would be a line and it would all be gone by 10:30. We here cannot recieve an order by mail either. Taking a trip to Nevada next month and will stock up there.

          • Claymation says:

            You guys have Nevada we have PA…lol. I live in South Western NY. Most of the sporting goods store near me seem to be still well stocked with 22lr. Granted that most are small mom and pop operations. I was at the local gas station in my home town yesterday afternoon, and stopped in to get a soda. I wast surprised to see they were still selling ammo all these years later. There supply was down a bit, but still had a little of everything on the shelf. My Aunts store the next town over has been getting regular deliveries. She told me things got a little thinned out right after the new unlawful laws announcement, but now she is having trouble getting .223, but she had a bunch of 9mm left for sale. Just weird I guess.

          • John W. says:

            BigB,
            The Happy Gunner has ammo but like you I live in Californicate and cannot order it on line. If you have a family member in Nevada ask them to order it and then go target shoot there.

            • RickInOregon says:

              I’m not a gun person and I haven’t been in the market for a gun or ammo but these post have me looking whenever I’m in a store that sells shooting supplies. The shelfs in our area are empty of shooting supplies (except for the .17 and some steel shot) yet I have no problem finding archery supplies. I bow hunt and have for the past 25 years and only a couple of times did I wish I had a gun, getting face to face with a black bear does that to you as does finding mountain lion tracks in your tracks.

              What’s your opinion on the .17? it looks like it would be a good sage rat gun and a varmint gun. What about for game?

              • Paranoid says:

                The small high V .17 slugs tear up game fairly bad, and are expensive. I’d stick with the old standby for small game, if you use a rifle, and that’s 22 hollow points, or just slugs. Shot a lot of woodchucks with 22. If you want to play the long range game and don’t figure to eat them. You have lots of choices.

                • Anonymous says:

                  Hey, I’d be very cautious of wasting any ammo – especially in unethical activities like killing anything without eating it, (assuming it’s not a tyrant). We’re all dependent upon a healthy Ecosystem and thriving critters. We dare not just kill for fun,and we’d better learn to catch and eat Asian Carp, and other Non-native species!

              • lbdodger says:

                The .17 ia a pretty good varmint weapon, and with practice; it’l take about anything down, but be a good shot. My .22 does a good job on most up to a deer, and will do bigger animals; but have been shooting it, for years. Got a good idea, where it shoots. Also have bigger calibers, but in a pinch, the .22 is my choice.

              • BigB says:

                @RickinOregon,

                Since you are a bow hunter I would like to know what pound cross bow is appropriate if you do not have a gun? I was looking at them the other day and wondering what is a good crossbow, what features should it have and whatever I (we) should know? TKS,
                BigB

                • RickInOregon says:

                  BigB I don’t know anything about crossbows, I hunt with a Mathews compound bow and a custom built recurve bow.

                • floridagirl says:

                  First off you need to know there are difference in bow – like “left and right handed” Draw length is measured by finger tip to fingertip (do not hyperextend) divide by 2.5 and that will be your draw length. Poundage for men is between 50-60 pounds. Women 30-40 pounds, Youths 20-30 pounds. I just started archery, figured I needed another mode of defense. Left-handed bows are hard to find in your local stores. If you can find one, go for it otherwise, if you are left-handed you will need to order it online.

                • Barnett Jackal crossbow delivers about the most for your buck, IMHO

              • Not so Much says:

                “as does finding mountain lion tracks in your tracks”

                I think I just soiled myself.

          • Jake says:

            BigB,

            I live in California and I have received plenty of ammo through the mail.

          • VegasJim says:

            Ha, you’re not going to find any here either. Been trying all the stores for a couple weeks now and all common guns/ammo are long gone. Might consider picking up an unconventional round/weapon just to have the opportunity to stock up.

          • skittle shitting unicorn says:

            Forget NV there are nothing but shortages unless your hunting for big bear and moose 45/70 300 win mag etc

            NO 9mm NO 45 acp NO 38/357 you get the picture

            don’t waste your gas or money here
            at the local gun show If there are any ammo sellers they have lines of about 1 to 3 hours for ammo and Limits are in place. maybe 2 to 3 boxes of primers ( 2,000) or so ammo is most likely three to 5 boxes IF your lucky or Maybe two cases of 1,000

            This is not a joke i shoot 50 Beowulf and haven’t seen a single round in three months i reload and havent had a full box of primers in 4 to 6 months and bullets same deal

            most of the gun stores in vegas are hittin empty and IF they have a shipment its gone in about an hour maybe two 223 rem is hitting $600.00 to $700 per 1,000
            shot gun shells are going from $100.00 to $300.00 per case of 250 depending on what you want

            IMPEACH O BUMMER

            Skittle Shittin unicorn

          • skittle shitting unicorn says:

            Skittle Shitting Unicorn

            A follow up to my earlier post

            The following are gun shops in the las vegas valley and most are online and have the phone numbers posted
            You might make a few phone calls

            Lock and Load Henderson N V unknown stock Levels

            New Frontier armory North Las Vegas no ammo to speak of

            Guns and ammo garage unknown stock levels

            Citadel unknown stock level

            Accuracy gun repair unknown stock levels

            Sportsmans warehouse limits to 2 lbs of any sku for powder or 1 4 lb keg
            1,000 primers and or 10 sleeves 200 rounds of factory ammo (if they have any)
            Or one 500 piece box of bullets
            1 semi auto weapon 2 mags per customer per day

            Bass pro shops same limits as above

            Ventura munitions Might not be open to the public as yet mostly online sales they have reloads. Prices are about what you would expect now

            Wild West Guns same shop as the TV show Wild West guns Alaska on the animal planet Mostly Big bore hunting types no limits on purchases as yet and if you want a really fine Bear Gun there the people to go too they have stuff like the 454 casull

            As far as the gun shows go most have had lines of up to 2 hours just to get in the door and most sellers are either limiting purchases or Price gouging such as $75.00 for a 30 round Pmag
            There were an estimated 10,000 people at the last one at Cashman Center put on by the Rocky Mountain Gun Show the line stretched out the door through the parking lot and down the street and around the first corner and towards the second corner. Next show is Mar 2 and its promising to be a total sell out with 2 semi loads of ammo to be sold but the last time this was done it lasted about 7 hours and folks were waiting for 3 and 4 hours for ONE case

          • scott says:

            Call ahead of time or you may just be wasting your gas. I bought the last Pyrodex powder for one of my backup units from North Idaho Cabelas 2 days ago. They had zero primers, brass or #11 caps as I bought them out I got lucky and it wasn’t a waste of gas to drive there.

          • CrackerJack says:

            Sure you can, unless you live in certain cities. I’ve ordered ammo several times and delivered to my doorstep.

            Don’t say dumb stuff to the delivery person though, they might call the cops on you. (stories from friends/fam members that deliver packages).

            It must be shipped ground though, so it’s not going to get to you with any kind of quickness but im pretty sure that is the case everywhere.

          • About 2 weeks ago my wife went to Big 5 to see if they had any ammo come in. The guy knows us and told her he had 2 AR-10 308s in the warehouse. He showed her one that was another customer. She bought one on the spot.

            We got it a few days ago. She found 308 ammo in LA for a buck a round. Got 200 rounds to start.

            Another gun store sold the 308 we bought for 1480.00, that store resold one unfired for 5K….unbelievable they are getting that much.

            won’t sell ours though, even if we made twice what she paid we would then not have it.

            She doesn’t think Im crazy anymore that I use to buy ammo weekly when on sale. No shortage in our safe.

        • Claymation says:

          Reread my post should have read “Our shelves are still pretty well stocked.” Sorry for the confusion.

        • whome says:

          @CLAYMATION— Problem is the whores buy out every box, then out it on Gunbroker for 6 times more.

          • Bob's Your Uncle says:

            Isn’t capitalism fucking AWESOME! Buy low & sell high! Don’t like the price? No one is forcing you to buy it!!!

            In case you haven’t noticed, this is a free market economy not some socialist-hippy-share-everything-love fest. No, you are not entitled to a fair share, so quit whining. You can, however,purchase at a price determined by supply and demand.

            Why not think of it as a helpful lesson in preparedness? Those who have a surplus and are of limited means can sell at a profit and use the windfall to purchase other items they might not be able to afford.

          • Willie Wonka says:

            I was just checking gunbroker for shits and giggles, from what I saw they have plenty of ammo and at near normal prices?!?!?!

        • And this is how it begins link to follow.

          The truth about guns web site, This is how DHS Seizes your guns..Might wanna read this!

        • Kelly Winters says:

          Apexgunparts.com has mags.

      • 230 JHP says:

        Mac,

        “Stop encroaching on our personal liberties.”

        Correction, should read infringing.

        Note to politicians far and wide: What part of, “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do you not understand?

        • AnonLegion says:

          @230 I think mac said encroaching because the constitution is more than just the second amendment. There is the 1st 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th and 10th to think about too. By the way you may have noticed that a few of those have been taken away already while the second is still in place. hmmm always thought the second was to help protect the other 9….. must be wrong about that…..

        • Spook89 says:

          Oh, they fully understand…the reason for the 2nd Amendment isn’t about the right to hunt, it’s about the right to shoot tyrants. That’s why they want our guns. There, I said it.

        • lbdodger says:

          If you’re in SD, it seems like a lot of the legislators; don’t understand any of it. They swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, but when they go to work; it’s business as usual. Although, I do know a few of them; who are locked in, to honoring their oath. Most are veterans.

      • NunjoBizness says:

        Well, I just made the move and finally joined a state militia today. As a female, I have no idea what I will be needed or called for, or what talents I might have that could help – but I’m all in! :)

      • NewYorker says:

        Dude watch out! here they come for you.First they will come and make your gun be on a list to register, make you sell your HIGH CAP mags and to keep a 7round mag?? who makes them anyway? I was first…guess what, your next. they are coming for all your guns. why do you think the army is training in cities? THEY ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS, FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS GUNS, AND YOUR DADS SHOTGUN. AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING YOU OR I CAN DO CAUSE A PRESIDENT WAS PICKED THAT LIED ABOUT NOT TAKING YOUR GUNS. THEY WILL TAKE ALL AMERICANS GUNS AWAY!!!

      • Although there’s really no such thing as enough ammo, I thank my lucky stars that I reached my years-long goal for each firearm (purchasing the last 100 rounds) on the very day that the Sandy Hook tragedy took place. What a relief to not have to worry about the shortages and escalating costs.

        • justhinking says:

          So on the news it said law enforcement are running low on ammo. That they only had enough for a couple of months and it could be four to six months before they get more. On that note the government has plenty so its only a matter of time before they step in and have more control. Prepare as best as possible its about to get way out of hand

      • Sic Semper Tyrannis says:

        The Constitution doesn’t grant Power to the people. The antifederalists saw to it that, “…Congress shall make no laws…” regarding rights and powers retained by the people. Only the people have rights and they weren’t granted by the f-upped government.

        Gun control is unlawful and tyranny.

        Sic Semper Tyrannis

      • T.R. says:

        She was only allowed to buy one because of all the assholes buying up the entire shipment in a single purchase . This is NOT rationing , its the retailer trying to be fair to their consumer base by not allowing 5 people to buy up everything and pissing off 1000 people ( all of who are their customers , including the 5 jackasses ) . Send her back tomorrow for another box . Listen folks , WE are the problem ! stop this horseshit panic buying and things will return to availability . Supply and demand . Self control . If you were prepping as you should ………you should have no need for panic buying . Just sayin . If there is a civil war , the dead enemy and all THEIR stockpiles will supply us with what we need .

      • Anonymous says:

        Except they are armed. MILITARY first then Homeland Security/Law enforcement then Civilians, and while I have a feeling many of the two groups above will turn and stand with civilians to support the constitution I hope it is not to little to late.

      • Except they are armed.They are stockpiling rounds faster than civilians can get it. Will our military, law enforcement and DHS actually help defend us against a domestic enemy?

    2. After the Colapse says:

      CHUCK BALDWIN: If Americans Lose Semi-Auto Guns, TYRANNY Will Engulf America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNmownkmOZE&list=UU2nQYGjfe9I_tgWpqgJorUg&index=7

        • Dick says:

          I recently had the pleasure of meeting an 85 year old who was wounded twice fighting the Japanese. I was with my wife at a restraint and he was eating alone. My wife can get sentimental as she has recently lost her Mom and she was crying seeing him eat alone. We asked him to sit with us and learned he had just lost his wife of 42 years. Despite this he was pleasant and talked to us about their love of dancing and he was now teaching his sister how to dance.

          I bring this up because I believe ultimately his sacrifice is what makes it possible for me to express my views and concerns. I agree that all of the Bill of Rights are at risk and he was wearied by what he sees now. I appreciate that man and the thousands who have made the ultimate sacrifice, right or wrong, for THEIR belief in the Constitution. It is easy to attack one another right now for the difference in our views but the guns and ammo being bought aren’t for a picnic. This man is witnessing the destruction of the country he saw men die for as have many others who frequent this site. PREPARE! But make no mistake that should war come of this it will be beyond anything any of us can imagine.

          Mac I appreciate the efforts you make to give me a forum to show my concerns.

          To everyone else I hope for your prosperity if possible, and your preparedness if all else fails.

          CATI

          • Grasshopper says:

            Someone suggested we download important information NOW before they start messing with the Internet. Example:
            1)Filtering water with activated charcoal.
            2)Drone Jammer at “From The Trenches World Report.com” etc.

            Anonymous said that if the Government shuts down the Internet then we should shut down the government. The book, “Monkey Wrenching” tells how. I haven’t read it yet but it has excellent reviews.

            • Archivist says:

              I download entire web sites when I find good ones (and revisit for updates). I use BlackWidow from SoftByte. Also, books, magazines, and radio programs from newsgroups, using NewsRover. Get a high speed connection and a Giganews account. I’m downloading 24/7. I have a stockpile of blank disks for info trading in the future.

              • bill says:

                Some of the best advice I’ve read! Make sure your lap-top is in the bug-out-bag!

                • Archivist says:

                  I have a little netbook for portability. It can run 8 hours on a charge.

                • DRD5508 says:

                  Dick, thanks for sharing your meal with a Vet. In 1975, stationed in Germany, a German vet from WWII treated my partners and I to a great meal and plenty of drinks. Not knowing why all the food and drink was coming to us. I asked the waitress about the spread/drinks. She told us that the old man at the bar had killed 8 Americans during the war and was very sorry for it. We happened to be the first Americans He had seen since the late 40′s.

                  I learned early, all vets need to be appreciated because we share similar horror stories and dreams.

              • lastmanstanding says:

                Hope you have a semi to haul all that shit around.

                You must not have a brain to store any pertinent info related to survival. By the time you find what you are looking for your most likely have starved, frozen, or worried yourself to death.

                I love it when people depend on the technology that destroyed a generation or 2 to survive what is coming.

                Don’t forget matches to light all that worthless shit on fire to keep warm while rummaging mindlessly thru it to find the next answer in the survival puzzle.

                • Archivist says:

                  It will all fit in a backpack. I have multiple backups, multiple computers, and backup solar equipment to power them. The drives are searchable. I am sorting the references into categories. I have sorted the printouts by categories in notebooks. If I want to make soap, I can turn to that article in seconds.

                  There is no possibility of freezing to death where I live. There is no possibility of starving to death where I live. I have stored food. I garden. And nature is full of food that most people will ignore.

                  And best of all, I do have a brain. Not to brag, but my IQ is in the 140-150 range. I am very good at solving puzzles of any kind. I have been collecting information since 1960. I have most of the most need information in my head already. Technology is a tool. It is in addition to all the books, information, and printouts that I have.

                  The technology itself did not destroy anything. I suppose you would badmouth shoe boxes and slips of paper because that was Hitler’s information storage system. Almost anything can be used for good or bad.

                  Lastly, I look down on people who use crude language in place of actual thought. I have just placed your posts in the same category as the other trolls. What is wrong with telling people about additional sources and methods for obtaining information?

                • lastmanstanding says:

                  Good to see that you have so much faith in a stack of paper and disks stored in a back pack.

                  The tech boom is so out of whack right now that most can’t even see that it is damn near over. The infrasture that was used to build this great country is nearly obsolete…it was built by people that worked together…the politicians, corps, and banks have destroyed over half the population of this great nation. What is it that they hold in their hand that make all of there daily decisions for them?

                  Use that 150 IQ to look into history and see that it always comes and goes…and who always causes the problems…politicians, corps and bankers. If you have been collecting info since I was born, you of all people should be running from this crap like the plague.

                  Brother, it is a battle for hearts and minds of our kids and grandkids right now. I will make damn sure that they have the same ops that we have had.

                  So help me God I will see that they have it and I don’t give a damn how we do it.

                  Crude…let me tell you something…crude won’t even describe the vile mess that many of us will have to clean up after it’s all over.

                • T.R. says:

                  Technology is your friend or your enemy ………..it just depends on how you choose to use it . Did you ever stop to think that all wars eventually come to an end …….then its time to rebuild . Information and knowledge is the key to most things , without them , you are just as dead . People die , and if the ” knowledge ” isnt passed on in a timely manor or written down for others to follow , they die also . WHat if the guy with the knowledge gets killed . Look at all the peoples on earth that had no written language , they usually ended up the slaves of those that did and were considered inferior at the same time . Technology will now allow a person to cary an entire library of information of a few flash drives to be easily accessed on the move . Our enemies are going to use it …..we dare not dismiss it either , think of it like when the Soviet Union made the AK47 the standard issue weapon for the red army . It not only caught the west by surprise , but it forced the west to issue a similar weapon in order not to be at a disadvantage , in our case , the M16 . The russians forced the world with one single action to abandon the rifle as the main weapon …….forever . I hear ya , but technology does have a place . Just sayin

              • ScottyK says:

                And for the geeks out there, NewsRover will happily run if you are using Linux. I run it using WINE, but be sure to get the 32-bit version of NewsRover.

            • Been archiving for a couple of years now. Just want to say there are two great publications to get subscriptions to: Backwoods Home Magazine and Mother Earth News Magazine. Read them/store them.

      • Commie hater says:

        Tyranny is already here, commies everywhere.

    3. Chris45 says:

      Glad I stocked up on primers and powder months ago. I can still make 4000 rounds if need be.

      • Chris,

        With you there but I went full in on the primers and powder, we are still getting primers every week,some powders are a little harder to find.
        But those are powders that can be used in mult cals.
        My supplier called me one early morning to let me know a fellow reloader passed and he was unloading all the mans inventory. So yes I bought him out. I mean why buy a pound of powder when you can get eight. As far as ammo shortage goes panic buying will claim down just like the gun market has.
        Myself and most of my shooting buddies have not bought a single round in months.. Stack them primers to the ceiling.

        NOMI-CATIMF

        DPS

        PS Ya’ll hit youtube and check out the rally feb12th in albany NY.

        • Bulldog says:

          DPS,
          I stocked up a while back. We must have some of the same shops as Texas, Texas being a suburb of Lousiana ;)Primers are still around, powder, only if you want an off brand that is hard to find charge data for. Cant find .45, .38., 9mm, .223, .308 bullets. I wont say how many I can reload, but I will be ok. My motto is double the rounds you have on hand, you should be able to reload. I ordered a couple new dies to expand to a few more calibers. They told me they would arrive “this year”.
          I went to Academy to get their daily allotment of ammo. It was a joke. You can have one box per day. THe only Ar stuff that was left was some 5.56. Most folks didnt buy one that chambers both. It was steel cased, so I passed on it.
          Primers and powder are the most important. You cant easily make either. We can always cast bullets if we absolutely have to. Brass will be everywhere.

          • Bulldog,

            If you run across gas checks pick up a few thousand of those as well, It is a must for anything over 1240fps.
            Casting bullets will be the way to go if need be. And yes I’m Texan, just way up north in Texas. I think it was NetRanger that talked about the steel cases last yr, He claimed they could indeed be reloaded a couple of times.

            NOMI
            DPS

            • Bulldog says:

              DPS,
              I do my best to avoid shooting steel casings in anything semi-auto. dont want to bust my barrel. I have some as a last resort. I was saving brass even before I was reloading, because I knew one day it would be needed. I need to get a old school scale, if my batteries run out, then I will be old school on everything.
              I have never loaded bullets with gas checks. I guess I need to get comfortable with it.
              Thanks, I will pick up a few if I can get across the river to Cabellas or Bass Pro. I hate going through Baton Rouge.

            • slingshot says:

              First I have heard of steel case problems busting a barrel. Have used steel cases( copper wash) for years with plenty of rapid fire with no problems. Lacquer coated steel cases did gum the breech up some. Now there is a powder coat works fine. I have heard of reloading steel cases but have to redrill if berdan primer. Some weapons do not like steel cases becase the steel case does not expand and seal the chamber needed to cycle properly as with brass. AK’s and SKS’s are just fine with steel case for they are designed for that usage. I have also used 9mm aluminium (CCI) cases with no problem.

              • Bulldog says:

                One of the ranges I shoot at wont allow steel in semis and the have a upper and the case that split to show why. It is mostly from the russian stuff I believe. The case had split from the base to the top and tore up the barrel pretty good also. I am extremely picky about what I feed my weapons. They only get the best cuts of meat. :) They havent failed me yet.
                Have yall reloaded any 225 gr .308s yet? I finally found the data Hornady sent it to me. It isnt published yet. Those things are beasts. I havent fired my 225 gr reloads yet. Cant wait to try them on some concrete, steel, kevlar, etc.

                • slingshot says:

                  I don’t do any reloading. I have had a thin case or overcharged explosion in the past with brass casing. Blew the extractor off the bolt. Flash of gas in the face and the gas pressure also blew the magazine clear of remaining bullets.
                  Could not hear well for a few days. Was like a bomb and it was .223 reloads. Hence no more reloads. There was some Malaysian .223 that were overcharge a few years back. No other reports of bad ammo on the market

                • Bulldog says:

                  slingshot,
                  Ouch! Sounds like over charge. I am guessing someone else loaded it? I always double check the weights for large differences after I complete them because I am worried about that happening.

                • olered says:

                  With the capacity of the 308, my research indicated that the 175 grain smk is about the pinnacle of performance.

                • Bulldog,

                  I don’t shoot a 308 yet, I still love my little 30-06 and have shot some of the 220gr reloads and yepp the do some damage. Most of the time I just stick to the 150gr it does a great job on everything. And I have never ran any steel case ammo. Even in the my TOY 9mm.. (VRF)

                  Just always bought what I knew could be reloaded..

                  DPS

                • Bulldog,

                  175gr FMJBT is the heaviest .308 Win loads I’ve worked up hand loads for. They are just about the heaviest projectile I’ve loaded in .308 Win that doesn’t compress the powder. They are very accurate but about 150/fpm slower that the standard 168gr projectile.

                  225gr sounds like .338 territory. I’d be willing to bet it’s a very slow projectile from a .308 Win with a lot of ballistic bullet drop, and it might be a real handful. Watch for signs of overpressure as you work up the loads. Do you use a chronograph to validate your velocities?

                  I might suggest performing a ballistic energy calculation while you’re at it. The lighter faster projectiles often delivery more accuracy, energy, and flatter trajectories than the heavier bullets. Have fun.

                • Kulafarmer says:

                  Olered n guys,
                  That blowup sounds scarry, ive been loading 308 with 175gr SMKs real good results, varget has been the best all around powder, using CCI magnum primers

                • armed citizen says:

                  loaded some 220gr bthp for the .308 and what it did to a coyote was impressive. tried wolf steel case .308 a few years back..case seperated in my rifle. saved the bullets and shit canned the rest. Loaded some lead rounds up for the Ak, great for target practice. the Ak doesn’t care what it eats.

                • Been putting away primers and eight pounders of Tac and Varget. I shoot the 175smk in my 20 inch AR and the 168smks in the 16 inch AR. Both 1/10 twist, 7.62.

                • MXLord327 says:

                  I love my .30 cals. I load 123 grain bullets for the 7.62×39, 150′s for my .308, 165′s for the .30-06, and 180′s for the .300 Win Mag. I’ve never liked the heavier projectiles, I like velocity!!! Although I did use Hornady High Energy 200 grain loads with Nosler Partitions (no longer produced) on my moose hunt. Dropped a 900lb animal in it’s tracks at 125 yards.

            • Burrow Owl says:

              This is a popular misconception.
              Proper bullet fit, lubrication and chamber pressure vs. alloy are the keys to cast bullet performance.
              Plain base bullets can be pushed to 2K+ without undue leading or loss of accuracy when done right.

              • Burrow Owl says:

                Seems I screwed up the quote in the previous post.
                This should have been the first line:

                “If you run across gas checks pick up a few thousand of those as well, It is a must for anything over 1240fps.”

            • MXLord327 says:

              DPS – I heard the same thing from a guy at my gun club, he regularly reloads steel case pistol rounds. I don’t know if I’d want to try it in a higher pressure rifle round though. I’ve never tried casting lead bullets, never liked the lower velocity and extra barrel fouling, but am definitely thinking about it now. I at least need to get a mold for the .50 cal muzzle-loader.

            • Anonymous says:

              handloaded after a LOT OF CASE PREP. gotta bunch of different Lee’s. you can handload just about anything with enough patience.

          • Semper Fi y'all says:

            Since the Depression days I have always cast my own bullets, including 00 buck. Get a gang mold for the 00 buck. I get about 300 rounds per pound of powder for my 00 buck load. The 12 gauge pump is one of our best weapons, especially for poor light work on the perimeter.

            Other than the .22 RF, I own only weapons that fire a hard-cast lead bullet efficiently, that is 170 grain gas check bullet at 1,900 fps in my .30 cal. rifles. I shoot heavy bullets in all my pistols. My wife shoots the .38 spec. I prefer the .45 1911A1 and the .44 spec/mag.

            Stack wheel weights and pure lead.

            I have been a collector of primers and powder for 50 years.
            Save your jacketed bullets for long range stuff.
            Precious metal is lead, and if you don’t have much – brass.
            Semper Fi

            • Semper Fi ya’ll,

              Maybe you can help me out. A older man was telling me that the lead from batteries could be used for casting is this right?

              DPS

              • slingshot says:

                @DPS
                Would you want to take a chance with sufuric acid leaching out the deposits and burning the rifleing in the barrel?

                • Slingshot,

                  Nope thats why I’m asking that old man said something about the lead being neutralized first.. Its been so long I forgot what he said..

                  DPS

                • RedPine says:

                  DPS,
                  beware of using battery lead , the acid in the lead makes
                  it ‘blow up’ when added to the molten lead already in
                  the melting pot! I learned this the hard way! Go to the
                  junkyard and get wheel-weights cheap. They make quite
                  hard bullets that won’t lead your barrel at reasonable
                  velocities.
                  I used to screen the backstop hill at the local gun club trap-range for lead shot by the ton. Extremely hard, have
                  used it up to 2,000fps without barrel leading. Melt it
                  outside though, it uses arsenic to make it hard and you
                  don’t want to inhale the fumes.
                  Hope this helps. Further questions? Just ring my bell….

                • Red Pine,

                  Thanks buddy I am sure you will hear from me again soon..LOL

                  NOMI

                  DPS

              • slingshot says:

                For the purpose of emergency lead acid mining for bullet casting.

                I would soak the lead material from the battery in a baking soda solution till it stops fizzing. Ever clean a battery compartment. Litmus paper test after wash off.
                Bake the lead at a temperature to remove all moisture.
                Then go to melt and casting. Wear protective clothes and goggles as moisture is not conducive with molted metal. Explodes!

                • delr says:

                  for cleaner lead remove the paste on the plates. the plate is the substructure that holds the paste. paste is where all the nastiness is. i worked for Exide.the plate is a mixture of tin,antimony and lead. 7 to 12 percent of the first two the rest is lead. paste has lead antimony tin calcium and some old formulas had alittle powdered sulfur.get rid of the paste. it’s an extra step; and a pain More than worth it.i smelt a little into bars two three times ayear. trade it buddies for projectiles.you don’t have to do it all your self. trade with friends and establish a network

              • lower40 says:

                dont forget if you get in a pinch you can go on the roofs of some of the abandon houses and get the lead stack pipe sleeves ,ive melted them down and it was some clean lead .im not a reloader ,so i cant speak for any contamanates that may preclude it from being used

              • DPS…not to argue with all the others who commented on this subject but Ive made alot of bullets outta battery lead and used alot of them…its a harder grade of lead than say wheel weights(noticed around here theyre not lead anymore)or plumbers lead but Ive never had any corrosion problems…I use most of em in black powder pistols…not saying others are wrong,but personally Id rather have it around at least for backup lead than have none…

              • Semper Fi y'all says:

                DPS,

                On a public forum I’d stay away from battery lead. You might store your batteries in a secure cache and let me know where the cache is so I can dispose of them properly.

                Lead is fine, i.e., wheel weights, plumbing lead as drain traps, exc., and plumbing solder (very valuable because of its tin content), and linotype. Learn its content as to lead, antimony and tin.

                “Number 2″ lead mix is what you want for a hard-cast mix.

                I like, where supplies allow, 90% lead, 9% antimony and 1% tin. Pistol bullets don’t need gas checks and in my opinion should not have gas checks. I load my .44 mag with 250 grain hard-cast plain base bullets to 1,200 fps. This load is a good big game killer.
                Tin is expensive, but what isn’t, funny money everywhere.

                00 buck and black powder projectiles are cast of pure lead as are cores for core bonded jacketed bullets.

                Stack it deep.

                A 170 grain hard-cast gas checked bullet such as Lyman’s 308291 loaded to 1,900 fps cycles the bolt for my M1 Garand and is extremely accurate to 600 yards. All lead bullets are lubricated. For me the lube is not a problem in the gas cylinder. This 170 grain bullet is also excellent in my 03-A3s.

                I regularly kill elk and moose with a 250 grain hard-cast, gas checked bullet out of my .35 Whelen at 2,000 fps. I have never lost a head of game with that bullet and load.

                Hope this helps.

                Semper Fi

            • Kulafarmer says:

              @Semper fi
              Curious if your loading 308 and if you are, what sorta weights and what type powder, got info in my Lyman book but always looking for more info
              Thanks!

              • olered says:

                If you want something that is rather unconventional yet laser death try the 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip with 49 grains of Varget. Start @ 48 and work up.. @ around 3150 fps all kinds of critters start to explode.. Great fun..

              • Semper Fi y'all says:

                Kulafarmer,

                I used to shoot the .308 (7.62×51 NATO) when it replaced the 30-06 (M1 Garand and 03-A3) in the military, thought I’d give it a workout. The .308 is a superb cartridge and in the 700 Remington with scope is a fine sniper rifle. I’m sure there are other good combinations.

                A long time ago I exhaustively tested four of my rifles, (bought back when there was still silver in our dimes)
                configured thus: All four rifles in pre 64 Winchesters, two in .308 and two in 30-06. One rifle in each caliber fitted with Lyman’s 48 receiver sight and one rifle in each caliber fitted with a Redfield 3×9 scope. I spent the day shooting them at a target at 600 yards.

                I have always preferred my M1 Garand (the best rifle ever made) and my 03-A3s.

                In the .308 I like the Sierra 180 grain bullet with 48 grains of 4831. Hornady’s 165 grain bullet is also fine. 4895 is also a very good powder. For a squib load I like a 190 grain hard-cast lead, gas checked bullet with 7 grains of Unique. One hole at 50 yards, only a soft “pop”.

                An excellent hunting load in .308 with hard-cast lead gas checked bullet is 20 grains of 2400. Good for deer and antelope.

                Hope this helps.

                Semper Fi

        • 230 JHP says:

          @DPS,
          “As far as ammo shortage goes panic buying will claim down just like the gun market has.” When the ammo is gone just like the guns are.

          • 230 JHP,

            Not sure where you are but in the last week our guns stores have been getting resupplied lots of semi autos pistol and some rifles. I have also noticed the AR-15 thats was $2000 last week can be had for $1200 to $1500.
            I also just got back from the reloading store, he had set me back some smr &smp primers. But they had a ton of lrg rifle and pistol primers. Bullets are starting to flow in again also. Powder is in short supply for the good stuff. All I can say is buy when you find & always carry enough cash to pay for it..

            NOMI

            DPS

      • Pride Goeth BeforeDestruction says:

        I bought millions of rounds of ammo and all kinds of fancy black rifles… of course that was back when I bought my gold at $35 an ounce and silver at $2.

        Don’t you just hate the “I told you so” assholes that have to toot their horn?

        Good for you – glad you did well – but STFU about it already!

        • slingshot says:

          Have me beat.

          Gold at $254, Silver at $4.00
          7.62×39 at 6 cents a round.
          .223 at 15 cents around.

        • Archivist says:

          Some of my silver was acquired at face value, some was actually given to me. A job in the mid-1980s gave every employee a one-ounce silver coin with certificate. I still occasionally find a silver dime or quarter in change. I examine all change, pull the nickels and pre-1982 pennies, and put the rest in the piggy bank for hard times. Keep the foreign change just in case. Haven’t found any Chinese money yet.

          Other good deals have come my way, but OPSEC precludes discussion.

      • Get on it. Trading stock if you’ve more than enough, but not likely, methinks.

    4. I would really like to think that people are waking up to what’s going on in this country and acting accordingly……do I dare hope???

      • Kindle says:

        Obama just isn’t the best gun salesman but will also go down in history as the one that woke the sleeping giant.

        Granted some are still asleep or sufficiently brain-washed but they will wake up when it’s way to late. They will probably freeze up and go suck their thumbs in a corner because their dumbed down brain won’t be able to deal with their illusions being blown away.

      • Be informed says:

        I want everyone out there to be fully prepared for the next debacle certain to come from some gun grabbing creep like that medusa ogress feinsteinless, “how much ammunition you can possess”. Yes this is almost a certain bill or executive order to come, limiting the good citizens of this country to probably less than 500 rounds per household. While not enforceable really, it will be the next line of horse crap attack against the 2nd amendment. They will likely not only put fines with such violations, but also they will try to make it illegal to own firearms if you break the “regulation”.

        I know this sounds horrible, but BO and those that hate Americans being able to defend themselves have all sorts of these plans. They already limit how much ammo you can purchase in many police run states that hate guns. I can imagine this one also, that if you commit any crime higher than a misdemeanor that the state or the feds have the right to search your property for violations of the firearms laws and excessive ammo laws. Time to get some nice PVC pipe and start burying your ammo I guess. I have upset myself today with my doom and gloom, however it is very likely that BO and others will attempt to pass these type of laws in the near future. It is all coming to a head.

        I will comment in a few minutes on the very serious earthquake situation between the Asian and North American plate. I always want to try to comment on the article posted as respect to Mac, the site, and to those that feel that I overdo the geophysical part of future SHTF events to come.

        • Barterman says:

          Thats when you go doner on their asses. Their not checking my shit perion. People you got to stand up and be heard!

        • Facebook Page says:

          Thank BI for post earthquake closer to the bottom.
          Makes it easier to find.. this numeral post searches stuff is not easy on phone devises to use.

          I was on post the other day and the subject of structure integrity of some serious under ground storage at yakima firing rage came up. Some are worried that they are not strong enough.

          Strange part is it was not an issue when they were only worried about it surviving a nuke strike. And i do not think age is the reason for their concern. They are “special enginerneerers”

        • Bimbam says:

          TIP: You don’t have to OBEY any law that is not Constitutional. So don’t worry about it.

          NO ONE NEED OBEY IT. This how you castrate a dicktator’s power. You render it null and void and he goes away looking like a fool.

        • Theguy says:

          Makes me want to read The Stand by Stephen King again. Beh just the first half, it sorta goes downhill after all the doom pr0n.

        • Grasshopper says:

          I’ve read that scientists are concerned about a faultline that exists across from the eastern coast of America– that if the thing becomes active, it may start a tsunami that will inundate the Eastern United States. Can you please comment on this? (Please excuse my wording– I don’t know that much about earthquakes).

    5. Zoltanne says:

      The NWO is overwhelming the system with their own form of assaults from all angles. It’s getting nasty in some of the Dem-heavy states with gun control legislation. Now it’s Missouri — they’re going for the gun grab now (House Bill HB 545).

      If this isn’t beginnings of the final set-up for a revolution, what is it?

      Oh wait!

      Could it be that gun owners are a Conservative majority in America? And let’s see….the charges for non-compliance for not turning in the aforementioned guns means felony charges.

      A felon cannot vote.

      Not that the elections are rigged or anything.

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Zoltanne, thanks for this post. All my family and friends still live in Missouri. I’ll send this along to all, on my email list. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus.

      • Zoltanne,

        Looks like Washington state is joining in on a bill very much like MO.

        DPS

      • Gregory8 says:

        Zoltanne: Missouri, the same state were a small town(Skidmore 1981) got tired of their local bully who kept getting off, died in a hail of gun fire in broad daylight? Missouri, where the local sheriff and the state police had called in the FBI to solve the case? Nearly 20 people saw McElroy leave the pool hall that day but no one saw who shot him seconds later? Missouri where millions $ were spent and thousands of LEO hours logged and no gun was found, and not even one suspect was ever charged, even when nearly the entire town was questioned (>300 pop.)? It seems to me that the good folks of Missouri don’t like being pushed around by bullies or the cops. My guess is that this proposal is going to vanish like a Fart-In-The-Wind. I could be wrong but I hope not.

        • Zoltanne says:

          Gregory8, American citizens shouldn’t take ANY of this Nazi-style government grab. NOT ONE MORE INCH! All states need to have template nullification bills at-the-ready for everything now. Buck Ofama and his NWO global idealism!

          I just read MO’s HB 436 which is a nullification bill that’s got quite a bit of support in MO.

          HB 436 will void all laws, acts, and orders from the past, present or future, that infringe on the second amendment, “It shall be the duty of the courts and law enforcement agencies of this state to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms within the boarder of this state from the infringements in subsection 3 of this section. No public officer or employee of this state shall have any authority to enforce or attempt to enforce any of the infringements on the right to keep and bear arms included in subsection 3 of this section. Any official, agent, or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any of the infringements on the right to keep and bear arms included in subsection 3 of this section is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. Any Missouri citizen who has been subject to an effort to enforce any of the infringements on the right to keep and bear arms included in subsection 3 of this section shall have a private cause of action for declaratory judgment and for damages against any person or entity attempting such enforcement.”

          A class A Misdomeanor has a maximum penalty of 1 year in jail and up to $1000 fine.

          I posted a link to the Bill but it has to go through moderator-approval.

          • Gregory8 says:

            Zoltanne: No argument from me there. My point was that folks from Missouri seem to have good sense and they are not about to let anyone ride roughshod over them. The story I posted was about decent hard working people pushed to the brink and I find no fault with any of them. The law counldn’t or wouldn’t protect them as it should have so they took care of the matter themselves. I say “Job Well Done”!

            • Zoltanne says:

              Gregory8, Oh, yes, I got your point — guess I just said things wrong. I would have to agree with you except for the cities where the sheeple and GimmeDat groups tend to try and rule the entire state from.

              Anyone who is working and has their eyes open (even partially open) knows they’re being pushed to the edge.

    6. yental says:

      Started “preparing for war” in early 2009. The reason is now blatantly obvious to those “coming late to the party”. Got Ammo? I hope so!

      • AUDENTIS FORTUNA IUVAT says:

        Yental
        I have been telling all of my buddies for the last four years ”buy ammo,the next war on guns will be that you can not get ammo.”……..You can only imagine how many phone calls I have received. They usually start out ”man….you were right,what am I going to do know?”

        • yental says:

          Same story here. Advised my “inner circle” not only to purchase ammo weekly/monthly, but as of the last 3 years now…pay cash. Even if supply returns at some point (before the coming war), limits and the loss of anonymity of purchase will likely be gone at that time.

          One other bit-of-advice about ammo. Multiple cache locations and proper storage. Same for “ballistic delivery systems”.

        • funny, most of the people I told and even on here have forgotten who it was that gave them the heads up. and many of them are pissed ’cause they didnt listen

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Couple of my friends were snickering at me and saying im nuts a few years ago when i was getting into reloading, they said, “what the hell are you ever going to do with all those cases of gunpowder, and shelves and shelves of bullets and brass”
            Not laughing so hard now!

            • WARFACE says:

              Kula…Its amazing all the barstool pundits who shook their heads because I was buying up them neat looking black rifles a couple up yeats ago and now they all ask if I want to sell them one. I knew King Barry Obamanure was going to get another 4 years and try to take our guns. Its just a damn shame I got really drunk and hid all them damned things and for the life of me I can’t remember were I hid em. Maybe it’ll come to me some day..hehehehehe!

            • Smokey says:

              I just started reloading, and am trying to stock up. Pistol primers and any omnibus powders are gone. 9mm in 124gr is scarce, and 115gr is running out, countywide. .45 bullets are low. Brass in 9mm is low. Rifle brass in .223 and .308 is gone, not available.

              Good thing I’ve kept my brass for the last 20 years…

      • RedPine says:

        I’ll get all the extra guns and ammo I need on the battlefield, “from THEIR cold dead hands!”

      • Gregory8 says:

        Yental: a wise man sees a storm coming and prepares for it; and fools just ignores it. Big clouds started to gather in 2008-2009.

    7. clint hospo says:

      I travel thru Pa and the midwest a lot. Check around for ammo ladies and some men, walmart does have a good size variaty and some others have zilch at times nothing. You will pay higher prices at gander mountain and many online dealers are raising their prices big time. I bought 10 ar-15 mags for 15.99 each 3 days ago. (30 round) There are out there but once they get them in they are sold pretty quickly.

      So don’t panic. I found 420 rounds of xm-855 green tip ammo at gander last week for 199.00 Yes its very hard to find but it will come around. We just have every single person in their minds getting ammo after the sandy hook shooting. IF your looking for reloading and primers call beikerks gun supply or store in rochester ny. Google it you wont be wasting your time. They have mainly reloading and have very good prices. Better than I have seen anywhere else ever. They even beat midway and major gun dealers. IF you looking for some stuff I will tell you. I visit a gunshop in different city at least 3 times a week. Just trying to help you guys.

      • Kindle says:

        Isn’t PA, NY and a lot of midwest democratic states? I’m not surprised you are finding quantities in those areas. Why would the nanny states buy ammo and guns. I believe it is a different story in conservative states.

        • Zoltanne says:

          Kindle, PA is mixed. Philly is pure Dem, home to those tough-ass New Black Panthers. I don’t think there was one single Romney vote in all of Philly last November. ROFL! Rural is more conservative. Remember the Obama “bitter clingers” gaffe about those Pennsylvanians who cling to their guns or religion?

          • Kindle says:

            Then why does some parts of the country have ammo & guns available and other parts are wiped out? I keep thinking there must be a reason to it. Everywhere I go in Colorado the shelves are bare with people waiting in line on “truck day.” Just curious.

            • Zoltanne says:

              Kindle, maybe others can explain the phenomenon. Seems to me the store’s region, customer base, and mode of selling has something to do with inventory on hand versus back-ordered stock.

            • clint hospo says:

              I don’t know, they probably have huge sales and a good order history with some of these stores in Pa. Thats my guess. If you got a store with large purchases constantly they are probably going to serve that store first when they re-order their stuff or political reasons. I dont have the answer to this.

              • Kindle says:

                Clint,
                Good point. From my corporate retail days we did order by regional sales. We would often have to order SIX MONTHS out…could what we are seeing is the high selling stores getting their orders that were already in the pipeline (on order)?

                I wonder what it will look like once we pass the 6 month time frame?

            • Yikes says:

              As for Colorado? I think its a mix of things. I don’t think what I’m going to say covers everything, but,… First, a large section of voters in the state don’t affiliate with either the R or the D party and a big section of the population is influenced by a libertarian mindset, even though the Libertarian Party doesn’t have much sway. Frontier history is part of the culture of the state. Put that all together and you have a pretty independent minded population. Its an open carry state and a conceal carry state. You can expect guns pretty much everywhere, with a few exceptions and the gun free zones. People want to make sure they have something to shoot and that they don’t just just a fancy metal club. So it follows demeand for ammo will be high. Second, you need to look at what is percolating in the state legislature. Everybody is so focused on the federal level gun control stuff. On top of that, Colorado has double digit pieces of proposed gun control legislation that is making its way through commitees right now. (I don’t remember the exact number) But anyone that supports the USC 2nd Amendment and the article in the Colorado State Constitution that also recognizes the right of citizens to keep and bear arms, will find the scope of the legislation disturbing. For example, this week (2/12/13) hearings were held on HB1224, which is a proposed law that deals with magazine capacity (ie 10 round limit)and ownership, etc. This isn’t the only “gun control” hearing being held. Third, I think people are buying whatever ammo they can, when they can because of all the uncertainty inside the state and with the economy. (Prices aren’t generally going down on much of anything.) Ultimately, shooting is a perishable skill. You have to practice to keep your accuracy skills up. I know this doesn’t explain everything, but I think it gets part of why the shelves in Colorado are pretty empty.

          • clint hospo says:

            Yes rural Pa in the center and to the left where pittsburgh Pa is more republican I think than philly. Philly is DEM maxed and some. Center where harrisburg is there are a lot of tactical gun stores that cant stand dems! they are very right conservative. In washington Pa (ace gun store) they had a wall solid filled with ar-15′s over 200 of them gone after the shooting. they get a lot of ar-15′s and carry a few 50 barretts. But yes Pa is very mixed emotionally charged. they can’t stand Obama and all agree fuck Obama we will not ever or register our guns. this is talk at the gun shops of what is going on in southern Pa near the border of west virginia.

            • You’re right clint, Harrisburg area has a lot of conservative gun owners. The city itself is pretty much bankrupt with a Dem mayor,but anywhere outside of town you won’t fuck with the gun owners. I live quite a distance west of there but worked around Harrisburg for 30 years. They just had their 2nd homicide of the year yesterday. Guy beat another in the head with a 2 lb hammer. Should outlaw 2 lb hammers,I guess. Pa also has a republican governor so they may shy away from new gun laws. The only one in the pipe now as far as I can see is one about not recognizing out of state gun permits if you are a Pa resident and can’t get one here.I hope I worded that right.

            • Ya, and anything north of I80 acrossed that state(PA) is mostly rural and home to alot of outdoor types…lots of guns!

            • John W. says:

              clint hospo,
              Most of the cities in Pa. are pretty bad. Philly is just an extension of Camden across the river. Any idea how Monongahela is doing these days? Ancestral homeland.

              • clint hospo says:

                I never go to philly ever or that east of the state, I travel to scranton to pittsburgh a lot. thats about it.

                • John W. says:

                  Pretty state last time I was in the Pittsburgh area was in 1980. Seems like all cities are going down the toilet as far as crime and just plain falling apart. Don’t want to think how things will be in another ten or twenty years. Scranton is where the Office show is sited.

          • lastmanstanding says:

            Don’t for get about Pittsburgh…the 2 cities have enough to carry the state. There are over 1 million hunters on the first day of deer season…in the woods.

            Don’t give up on Pennsyltucky!

            • lastmanstanding says:

              …and we’re not giving up on you New Yorker’s either!!!

              Check out the rally in Albany on the Feb 12th on you tube.

              Thanks to DPS for the heads up!!!

            • clint hospo says:

              Yes Pittsburgh are good people! there are a lot of people in pittsburgh who are on our side!!!

              • afterthefallpa says:

                We’ve got alot of patriots in the rural burbs here just to the NE of Philly.
                The spirit of revolution & patriotism is strong along the Delaware River Valley!
                Hell, Thomas Paine wrote “American Crisis” in my backyard! The 1st revolution was fought at my doorstep! You can’t help but be a patriot and constitutionalist if you live here!!!
                We are an area full of common sense folk- alot of hunters and fishermen and proud old school Americans. No matter if they’re dems or reps, the vast majority of people around here are on our side.

                Philly and some of the major cities may have fallen to the sheeple, but just a few short miles outside of the Philly city limits and it’s a whole other world ;)

      • 22winmag says:

        What Sandy Hook shooting are you talking about? The fake, made-for TV event full of actors and paid shills?

      • lastmanstanding says:

        What a score on the mag’s Clint…I found some the other day for $25 and thought that that was a score.

    8. Klingonwork says:

      With so many people panic buying and hoarding…regardless of ANY laws coming out, do you think for one moment anyone would willingly surrender their weapons? At a recent visit to a local gun store here in California, there was practically nothing on the shelves, but scared and angry people were buying anything they could get their hands on.

      If you haven’t purchased self protection by now…you’re too late.

    9. Fucking pissed says:

      Good article and true. I hope the scum politicians are in fear of their lives because of their treasonous actions.

    10. Stealth Spaniel says:

      Wow! This would be an amazing uptick in the economy, if it weren’t such a sad commentary on our country. 2 of our elected idiots (Boxer and some other yahoo) are so worried about the state of the country, that they are introducing a carbon tax bill today. They might find themselves getting a full lead rebate if they aren’t careful. I wish that I had money to start manufacturing guns and ammo now. A nice tidy business with
      an absolute sale. With all of the military/special ops people be laid off in Sequestration, I would have unlimited knowledge to pull from.

    11. Eisenkreutz says:

      Why are they making ammunition for the government pigs first when the government wants to shut down the armorors? Sell to we the people first. We’re the ones who never fail you.

    12. 22winmag says:

      Not exactly true. My local shops suddenly have dozens of sub-$1,000 AR’s and AKs available. The primarily military style gun craze peaked around two weeks ago and prices are falling fast now that it’s clear there won’t be any significant ban (or any ban that would actually be obeyed). The speculators who were doubling and tripling what they invested in AR/AKs 30 to 45 days ago are now scambling to dump their guns before they are stuck with them. Ammo is still peaking, but hey… I’ve bought over 10,000 rounds of bulk .22lr at local establishments for at $20 per 500. Yeah, CCI minimags are $30 to $50 per 500 and Stingers/Velocitors are around $60/500, but I can get them all on most days at those prices.

      • Paranoid says:

        Where are you? I’ve been to several stores and they have nothing a few hours after the truck. One place said they had 700 guns on order and got 6. Incidently the stre I use; last week got in over 300,000 22 rds in 525 rd bricks, this week got about 20-50 rd boxes. They got a lot of wierd stuff. 45-70, 375, 338, 222,etc. Looked like whoever they got the stuf from was clearing out whatever they had.

        • Kindle says:

          I keep seeing off brands of ammo. Stuff I have never seen out there before.

          • AUDENTIS FORTUNA IUVAT says:

            Kindle,
            I can say that Aguilla ammo from Mexico and Privi Partizan from Serbia ”runs just fine” in my systems. If you can find some and save a few dollars,do not be shy.

          • Smokey says:

            Aguila .30 carbine is outstanding ammo, and the Prvi Partizan is low in price and boxer-primed, good stuff.

            If you’re looking for some off-the-wall calibers like 7.5mm Swiss, .30 Mauser, stuff like that, Prvi is the place to go. Their .303 British is good fuel for the SMLE.

            Their 7.62x54R, brass cased, boxer-primed, totally reloadable, is running about $0.65 a round even now, a great online deal and reloadability makes it cheaper than corrosive surplus once you reload the case twice.

        • YankeeDoodle says:

          I put an order in to Cabelas four weeks ago for 2000 rds Aguila Supermax High Velocity 22lr and received it yesterday.Four week waiting period not bad considering what the hell is taken place in this country.Just checked Cabelas website and they still have some ammo left, but its going fast. Jump on it.

          • Not Timothy says:

            Here’s my buying experience today. Last night I happened to see Federal 500# .22 lr in stock at the local Walmart. I thought I was seeing things. But it was late and I thought I’d go this morning.

            Well, there was a line waiting at the door this morning. I had a feeling I knew what for. Sure enough everyone shoved their way back in a clump, no civility, everyone trying to body block the others from the ammo case.

            There were 4 boxes, so 2 people got it (Walmart has now a 3 box maximum). The first guy got 3 boxes and had to depart from a pretty angry group. Didn’t seem to bother him. What are they going to do? Shoot him? Oh wait… no ammo.

      • HisArmsWide says:

        Are you in a location with few shooters? At all the locations around here, various Walmarts, Academy, Dicks, Bass Pro, there are little to no options on anything other than the ‘odd balls’. Plenty of 12 guage shot of course.

        I was just at Walmart today for example and couldn’t not go look and other than 12 gauge the shelves were completely empty except for 2 lowly 50rnd boxes of 22WMR and a few boxes of 7MM and 22-250. Nothing in pistol caliber at all. Some 22LR in shot shell snake killer stuff. A single box of 20 guage slugs. No 223, 308, 303, 30-30 etc and so on.

      • Former Cal Girl says:

        What is your location? May be time for a road trip.

        • 22winmag says:

          NH. Even with millions of over-licensed, over-taxed people coming up from MA, we are still doing pretty well on ammo here, and $750 to $999 AR/AKs are becoming common again in stores.

      • John W. says:

        Remember when a brick was around five bucks. Of course gas was a buck sixty cents too.

    13. After the Colapse says:

      have no mercy for the dhs blue piggies ,

      as they obviously have no mercy for you .

      war has been declared upon you The American Citizen by your own njo new jew order zog zionist occupied government .

      when you leave your home pack heat ; not for criminals but to defend yourself from the njo zog traitor blue piggies .

      AtC

      • After the Colapse says:

        Seven Active Burners ;

        L.A.P.D. / San Bernardino Sheriff Department quote after subduing suspect – ” Burn that Mother$ucker Down !”

        Radio activity from the Christopher Dorner standoff

        • Kindle says:

          ATC,
          Now they are saying that we are misinterpreting those audio clips. Burn the house doesn’t mean burn the house down. I watch a news conference where the LEO in charge actually was saying “we didn’t intentionally burn the house down.” I had to do a double take on that one.

          The sheeple that do no research or listen to your linked clip will buy it of course.

        • While I rarely read the paper anymore,I got one today and read the write up on the shoot out. It said they used “pyrotechnic tear gas” to “flush” Dorner out and did not intend to burn him out. lol. Just what in the hell does pyrotechnic mean. Isn’t that “fire”works?

          • After the Collapse says:

            Branch Davidians Burned Alive on purpose to Scare America in to Tax Debt Slavery and the NWO ZOG .

            waco tx

          • MXLord327 says:

            JRS – Same thing they used at Waco, and they didn’t expect it to start a fire??? Bullshit.

          • Theguy says:

            Of course they didn’t intend to flush him out. They intended to either burn him to a crisp (assuming he was in there) or else to get the media off their asses and welsh on the badly thought out $1M if he wasn’t.

            I’m not so sure that burning him to a crisp would have been a particularly bad thing… just in the scheme of things… he sort of lost my sympathy when he killed the guy’s daughter that had nothing to do with anything.

            But then, coming from LEO’s… yeah it’s a bad thing. It comes back to an issue of trusting them to use a reasonable level of force. If they were upset because several got shot all I can say is… I’m sorry but you knew what you signed up for. This is a job that has a non-trivial possibility of ending in death. Personally I can’t see why anyone would want said job but eh…

            Bad guys all around in this one. Being from LA I have zero difficulty in believing his accusations against the cops. But my sympathy stoped dead in its tracks when people started getting dead. I don’t think being treated like dogshit on the job is adequate reason to go killing people, and certainly not people that had nothing to do with it.

          • Smokey says:

            They should call it something like ‘flammable’ if it could ignite under some circumstances, ‘pyrotechnic’ implies deliberate ignition.

          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            Hannity thur nite tried to say burners is cops Code for tear gas!!!!….Yeah sure it is…Hanity also believes is it good for jews/isreal really means Pro white gentiles!!

            Hanity also believes hobammys birth cert is Real too! we Must all agree since rubio is also a NOT natural born citizen that hannity is already pushing for next repub prez!….I think Hannity looks more and more every week like a Khazer askanaiz compared to all the irish folks I ever knew, including myself!

      • The Last American says:

        The first thing that the Marxists do to destablize a country is to turn the population against the police, just say’n.

        • seems like the cops are doing a fine job of that all on thier own

          • Burrow Owl says:

            @ VRF:

            Exactly.

            There’s a damned good reason why an abused dog will eventually turn around and bite its tormentor.
            The only surprising thing is the amount of abuse that some are willing to endure before doing so.

            • Live free or die says:

              Burrow Owl,

              Did you know that Dorner was previously charged with abuse and served with a restraining order? He was not an abused little dog, I wouldn’t insult an animal that way, he was an abuser and now he is a dead murderer living in hell.

              • Burrow Owl says:

                My comment had nothing to do with Dorner- rather, it was aimed at abusive law enforcement personnel in general.

                BTW,I have trouble accepting your premise in comment #1147107.
                Why would TPTB try to marginalize those who are charged with enforcing their edicts?

            • look at how they are avoiding paying out the 1 million reward..they are backing out of paying up..so maybe this is a lesson to everyone..next time the PD or any PD, can suck a big one if they think the public will help them out again

              Nice job sealing the deal LAPD

          • Eisenkreutz says:

            Fuck the pigs.

        • Tucker says:

          True, but then – why do the cops fall for it?

          When we can surf to youtube and spend hours watching videos that I suspect were uploaded deliberately as part of the psy-op that you are referring to – and which show sadistic, brutal, blood-thirsty psychopaths with badges beating the snot out of citizens for the flimsiest of excuses or tasering grannies in wheel-chairs or watching 240lb steroid addicted skin head cops picking up 110 lb teen age girls and slamming them face first against the wall and then grabbing them by the hair and banging their heads against a wall – there is a point where we ought to start asking a few questions.

          Such as: Are these cops actors and are they acting out these abuses and recording them for upload, as part of their cooperation in this psy-op? Or, are they simply an accurate reflection of just how out of control these jackbooted thugs have become?

          In either case, uploading videos of their abusive tactics – is a deliberate action on someone’s part. Those cop car cameras have high capacity SD cards or maybe high capacity removable media such as thumb drives in them. Those videos don’t wind up on youtube without someone posting them there, right? Same goes for the videos we see from inside police stations and surveillance rooms – someone has to upload those videos.

          Who is that someone? Would a cop that did the deed do it, and risk losing his job? I doubt it. So, who?

    14. Libprep says:

      How much 45 auto ammo should i be stocking up on? Has there been an increase in prices for 45 auto ammo that anyone knows of? I recently purchased a 1911 and i want to make sure i’m not overpaying for ammo due to shortages.

      Good things come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle ~Abraham Lincoln

      • TheWeasel says:

        How many magazines do you think you can go through before you get popped? If anyone thinks they are going to need thousands of rounds you are not a realist.

        • Libprep says:

          @TheWeasel

          I certainly don’t intend on getting popped, so i would like to think that my supplies would last as long as myself, family and friends survive whatever situation that may occur.

          By the way, i “only” have 4 magazines, two 7′s that came with it and two Chip McCormick 10 rounders.

        • Theguy says:

          I agree, thousands of rounds is rather pointless.

          1. If you’re planning on hunting, so is everyone else. Pickings are going to get sparser than ammo real real fast. But, initially, for I dunno, a few months, and then later again after like 5-10 years… ok that makes some sense.

          2. You need enough to defend yourself from bad guys (perhaps on multiple occasions). I rather suspect however, if you’re alone or in a small group and you have to blow through more than 30 on any one occasion… you’re not walking away from said occasion. Not likely.

          Really 500-1000 ought to do it and even that’s a pretty insane number. But I’m factoring in the idea that you won’t be able to get anymore for circa 20 years.

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Excellent point, realistic speaking, if things REALLY unwind, we may be limited to whatever we can carry in a pack, because if the gov is one of the groups were up against, we most likely wont be too safe staying put, especially if you exchange fire with them,
            BOB needs to have more than bullets in it,

        • Smokey says:

          Personally, we don’t need, say, 2,000 rounds of .45ACP or anything else. However, our neighborhood or community might need it, when things descend into the chaos that it seems to be heading for.

      • the amount of ammo to stock is up to your shooting habits. keeping an unfired stock that you never intend to use for target practice would be a very wise choice.

        all ammo is high in cost right now..I really cant say what factory .45 is going for, or what would be fair, i build my own

        you will be overpaying for ammo no matter how you look at it

        • Libprep says:

          @VRF

          This is more or less what i was getting at. My apologies to everyone else for being vague or trying to figure out “how long it takes to catch a fish” :)

          Like i said, i just recently picked it up and this will be the first 45 ammo that i will be stocking up on.

          My 7.62×39 cache is approx. 1k +. I also have an assortment of other guns and ammo, but i was just curious as to how everyone felt about the 45 cache.

          Thanks for the input.

      • Kindle says:

        I would say if it is your main tool then at least 1,000 rounds or more. My 45 is number 4 or 5 in the pecking order so I went with 500. But then I am a woman and a 45 is not my favorite to shoot.

        • Kindle says:

          Guess I’ll get back to the kitchen where I belong and let the men folk who acturally know anything about guns & such take the floor.

          Sorry, but there is such a “guy” mentality to the site some days.

          Don’t beat me up…just saying.

          • Kindle, dont discount women having and using this type of knowledge..just because it may not be your wheel house doesnt mean it isnt another ladies thing.

            My daughter and I shoot regularly, and she is one hell of a good re-loader, brass catcher, and one of the best primer pushing queens i know.

            its not a “guy” thing, its a survival thing..your definetly included as all ladies are and should be.

            granted, I have taught mine the shooting lessons and the patience of re-loading for the benifits it provides..but that doesnt mean her other skills are not just as important.

            all teams need hunters, and gatherers, and niether of these is a step above the other as far as im concerned.. your skills are necessary and important, and dont short yourself that you cant learn about arms and ammo, because you can.

            • Eisenkreutz says:

              “wheelhouse”, not “wheel house”

            • Kindle says:

              VRF,
              I think you might have missed my point. I was being sarcastic. I grew up shooting. I am extremely capable and well armed. It is my wheel house as well as a lot of other women’s. Even if we are capaable & knowledgeable sometimes we are dismissed because we are not a guy.

              • Zoltanne says:

                ’til we meet ‘em at the range, Kindle. :-)

              • I didnt realize you were being sarcastic..the post just made me wonder why anyone would short change themselfs

                • Kindle says:

                  VRF,
                  I’m a touch bit punchy latey. Twice this week I have gone to the hunting department at the local big box sporting good store and have been left standing at the counter.

                  Saleman would jump at every male entering the hunting department and follow them around like a puppy dog. Only after every available male was attended to did they bother to ask if I needed anything.

                  I beginning to think I need to take out a couple of $100 bills and flash it at them….yes, I need help. Yes, I have money. Yes, women shoot also and yes I do need some stuff.

                • Theguy says:

                  The “getting ignored” thing happens to everyone on some issue or another. Happens to me all the time.

                  Ok, so… they’re stupid. No changing stupid. Gotta work around it.

                  I don’t see why it would be a “male thing”… it’s just a simple mechanical process.

            • Semper Fi y'all says:

              Women, for the most part, don’t flinch and that’s what makes them good shots.

            • Live free or die says:

              VRF,

              I’ll bet the Father of the innocent young lady that Dorner murdered wished she had a gun on her. You have a Daughter, make sense to you? Something to think about. Don’t bother answering with the same old crap, (but we don’t know the whole story yet). Pretty pathetic.

          • Kindle,

            Bullshyt you just pull up a chair and stay a while, I know a lot of ladies that shoot very well.

            NOMI
            DPS

            • Kindle says:

              DPS & VRF,
              Thank you. I appreciate your words. You clearly are men like my father who did not limit the women in his life from being taught shooting and firearm safety. My dad & brothers were very good in that regard…taught us one and all. And yes, my brothers learned how to cook, clean and do laundry. No gender bias in our family.

              Thank you again…I would have your back anyday and I mean that.

              Kindle

          • Libprep says:

            @kindle

            I think its awesome that you’re involved, and I think it’s just as important to have all hands on deck if the SHTF. I’m getting my wife into shooting and prepping, and she has been surprisingly eager to learn more, receptive, and supportive.

          • lastmanstanding says:

            Kindle, my wife reads from one, is a damn good cook, heals people and usually carries 2 cw’s.

            She is also a strong, capable fighter that loves knives.

            No guy “mentality” her.

            • Kindle says:

              Lastman,
              I love knives too. It’s good to hear of another woman with the inkling. My dad collected them and I inherited quite a few of them. Grew up praticing with throwing knives and playing mumbly peg (spell?).

      • Paranoid says:

        How much ammo for a 45? Not the worlds best question. How much do you plan on shooting it? If you target shoot 100 rds per week you need a lot. If you figure on shooting burglars, 2 clips should be plenty, unless you have a huge h\flock of crooks. Defence issues, who knows, never heard of anyone shooting 100 rds for real in combat from a pistol. As a wise man once said the only use for a pistol in combat is to shoot your way to your rifle. (Actually it replaced the sword for officers to shoot their own troops if they ran)

      • tiwimon says:

        “How much 45 auto ammo should i be stocking up on?”

        As much as you can find, and can afford… and hope if they have it in stock and you want more than one or three boxes they don’t limit you. As for me – I never turn away from a box of ammo now if I have the money to spare

        “Has there been an increase in prices for 45 auto ammo that anyone knows of?”

        UM, he!! yes. If you can find it – its gotten quite expensive at most places – save for a few retail stores like walmart that sell for nearly what they were before this latest panic buying spree

      • Granite Prepper says:

        Always have 1000 rounds as backup and whatever you’re going to shoot in practice as backup…..I plan for 100 rounds per/two weeks for each gun.

        • Libprep says:

          @Granite

          I’ve always liked the 1k rule for each gun. This will give me a lot of breathing room if everything came to a complete halt!

          One more question in regards to 45 ammo. I keep seeing the Zombie ammo on sale and its always cheaper than others. Are they known for jamming or something, because their always available? If i had a glock instead of a 1911 i would probably go ahead and get some, but i would hate to get something that i would have to sit on. I know with my AK i dont have to worry about what kind of rounds to get since it eats up and spits out anything i feed it. Since they’re so cheap i may get a box and see how they do and go from there.

          Thanks to everyone for all of your input!!!

      • MXLord327 says:

        Walmarts in my area have 250 round brick of UMC brand FMJ .45 for $100, if you could afford it, buy 4.

    15. AUDENTIS FORTUNA IUVAT says:

      My FFL Dealer has six distributors. They are told ”no ammo,no mags,no semi-auto handguns”….they know not to even ask for a rifle. While at the range, it seems now that people are ”training” instead of punching paper. May I suggest that if you need anything to get your family ”squared away” try going on gunbroker . com. You will pay a premium at this time but if you got caught flat footed ( I know nobody here has….wink,wink ) they will have anything you need.
      Our federal overlords know that we will not surrender our arms. That is obvious by MAC’S great article. Watch your back,who you talk to,and watch for false flag events that try to demonize law abiding citizens.

      • Klingonwork says:

        True…I go to Angeles range here in L.A. and many openly admit to “training”. They dont have the ammo to spare to punch paper or pursue a hobby. The anger is palpable against the federal overlords.

        Note to all: Those federal overlords ARE watching and infiltrating the ranges, overly friendly and asking questions, then suddenly disappearing. It’s happened to me, it’s happened to friends.

        Loose lips…

        • MXLord327 says:

          I have been doing most of my shooting (not that much trying to save ammo) away from ranges, going to remote sand pits if I can find them. I have been practicing firing on the move and from behind cover at awkward angles. Just like training for bowhunting, you will rarely get an easy, perfectly outlined shot.

    16. Claymation says:

      Mac, Ordered a Stainless Pietta Model 1858 New Army .44 Caliber Revolver through Cabellas. One of the few pistols that can be delivered right to your door in NYS, being black powder and all. Will be buying the conversion to shoot .45 cowboy cartridge rounds from C&R. The gun is back-ordered from Cabelas, a 3-4 week wait according to customer service. The C&R conversion is another 3-4 weeks as they are very busy too. Hope to have them by first of March. When I found out I could go this route for a gun, I just shook my head and thought my M&P is an assault weapon but I can buy a pistol straight to my door. You got to love New York..lol..NOT! Clay

    17. JustOneGuy says:

      I’m afraid the ecology around the reloader’s world is still in full ‘SUCK’ mode….Midway has a banner at the top of every powder listing proclaiming, ‘A 10 -12 week delay on articles ordered’, the lead situation is almost as bad and primers are SCARCE. Sheesh, it’ll be 6 months before this ramps out…if then. :(

      • Kindle says:

        JOG,
        I agree with you and keep seeing the same thing. I totally believe people that are saying they don’t have any trouble finding stuff. It’s got me baffled as to why? From what I’m seeing, at least in my part of the country, this very well could be a long term problem.

      • Zoltanne says:

        JOG, you’ve got the time AND reason to make your own now.

        • JustOneGuy says:

          Hi (again) Z,

          GEE, WISHED I’D A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT!!! :) ;)

          As far as that legislation thing mentioned earlier, let ‘em try. THAT might apply to the fools in the city(s) but if they come out in the boonies with US then it’s “Good Night Gracie”….period.

          • Zoltanne says:

            JOG, maybe you’ve got swap meets in your neck of the woods? Maybe you’ve got something you can swap to round out your supplies. Then again, maybe you can locate the basic components to DIY powder?

      • Be informed says:

        @ JustOneGuy. I want to thank you for digging up my previous posts on the Asian and North American plate collisions that are going on, you RULE. I saw the other comments from Norse Prepper and others on the previous article yesterday and I felt that everyone should know what is happening and I decided to comment on the present article after first talking about the nightmare gun and ammo grab certain to come.

        Simply put this area of Siberia has been hit only 4 times in 40 years of records and each time at a 7+ earthquake came afterwards with a couple of high 6′s. The areas were New Guinea, Mexico, South Sandwich Islands, and south of New Zealand, and one 6.6 towards Sumatra. The larger the quake here the larger the future earthquake is coming. The previous earthquakes were 5.0, 5.4, 5.3, and 6.1 in this region of Siberia. This one was 6.6 or 6.9 depending on the seismic station. All I can say is look out something awful is coming as was stated before, these are the two heavyweights having a sumo wrestling match.

        To have an earthquake here, an area that is not suppose to have anything above a high 5 range is really telling. Wihin 15 days, by March 1, there is a 85% of a 7+, and a 95% of a 6.5+. There is at least a 50% of a 7.5+, and a 35% chance of a 8.0+, and 30% chance of a mega quake of 9+. I may actually be understating the chances.

        Here is the thing about the location. On the previous posts about the West Chile Rise and the South Indian Ocean. I mentioned eastern Russia as one of the target areas for a 6.5+ by later in the month. The system works again. The cycle in a way has reset itself. While the areas mentioned still remain potential targets such as China, and especially the international dateline, the real targets right now from this earthquake are limited to the following:

        New Guinea to Fiji
        Central America, including southern and central Mexico.
        New Zealand and the Kermadec Islands
        South Sandwich Islands

        That is it for this earthquake. Until future earthquakes hit on the plate boundaries to determine the energy signatures, these areas are in extreme danger for the rest of the month. I would also add that eastern Russia has some true potential for a big volcanic eruption VEI 5 or more for the next 6 weeks.

        • AnnieOakley says:

          Be Informed, let me just say, I very much enjoy your post, I find myself ” looking” for your and a few others comments as I know they will “be informed”. Anyway, I was reading on another site this morning, above top secret. A headline caught my eye as I have friends in the area they were talking about. I don’t have a link, but it was entitled something like ” strange noise” back in East Tennessee. Low freq. noise, rumbling of homes reported by many. They had some charts but were unable to read them due to lack of knowledge on the subject. No one seems to know what’s going on up there, earthquakes, tremors, ? Strange things happening, bird die offs. I thought maybe you might be interested in looking over the data. I would be interested in your opinion as well as my friend who lives there and has experienced this first hand. Lots of speculation going on up there. Sorry this is off topic, but I didn’t know how else to relay this to you.

          • MXLord327 says:

            I heard the same thing deer hunting in Maine one day last fall. Just a faint rumbling like a jet engine way off in the distance, it lasted all day long though, very strange.

          • Be informed says:

            @ AnnieOakley. A lot of times before a large ship is going to sink you hear all sorts of moaning and sudden booms. The ground is not too much different, as any type of disruption in the equalibrium of the ground can cause these “strange” sounds. Some of what you are talking about can even be the displacement of groundwater through excessive wells pumping up too much water. Any type of action that causes any imbalance of the ground can cause these strange sounds. There was still something that was most disturbing that could explain these sounds.

            On a map there was a line of these sounds from the Texas area all the way across to about North Carolina and then up along the coast to past Rhode Island. This line matched the northern border of the Caribbean plate. In 1812 there was a mega quake down in Venezuela when the New Madrid broke three times, along with the central portion of the San Andreas, all within about 5 months of each other. No way was this a coincidence. The southern portion of the Caribbean plate is where the mega quake occurred in 1812.

            I have heard bizarre explanations for sudden bird die offs all the way from cloaked alien spaceships that the birds ran into, all the way to sudden disruptions of space and time. The most plausible reason I think, other than manmade pesticides or sudden loud noices that scare the animals to death, is noxious gases that come out of the ground and the birds fly into these clouds and suffocate themselves. Around volcanic vents in Africa rift zone this happens all the time where animals literally go into an area void of oxygen and just pass out and die. I watched this one show where this monitor lizard actually figured out what was happening and got out of the area where it could breathe and saved itself. Monitor lizards are actually quite intelligent for any reptile.

            You look at many of these areas that birds suddenly die off and there is fracking going on for example. Gases can dissipate quickly before anyone knew what happened, and can form within temperature inversion in quite concentrated amounts. Hundreds of thousands of birds this would explain it, as the insects would die off first and the birds would then go to feast on the insects and suffer the same fate. I don’t know if others have come up with this explanation, but it seems the most logical to me. The reason why those gases are coming up in areas not being fracked is what would be alarming.

            • AnnieOakley says:

              Thank you for looking in to this. I appreciate and value your response. I know nothing on the subject . In the few months I have been reading here, I knew you would be able to shed some light on it. Apparently these types of events, anomoles are not limited to the area, but follow a pattern indeed. The whole new Madrid thing freaks me out a little. If its gearing up for something, according to history, its not gonna be fun times, no sir. I’m squared away here for the most part, but I think I’ll add a few things in the very near future. Can’t be to prepared right?
              I live in a tornado prone area, had one hit about 10 miles from my home last week, our corrupt gov up in that sh!t pit DC, now these strange/unusual events? Plus the normal everyday BS….I totally get your earlier statement, ” I have upset myself with all this gloom and doom. ” please keep us informed as best you can, I know for myself and others comments you are considered a valuable asset to this site and look forward to your future observations!

        • you don't need to know says:

          This was an interesting article. It makes sense that there’s alot going on in those areas, volcanoes are erupting all over the place, and they definitely tie in with earthquakes. I wouldn’t want to live in New Zealand right about now.

          http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/part-2-extinction-level-supervolcano-growing-in-the-pacific/

        • JustOneGuy says:

          Howdy BI,

          Whew, glad I weren’t steppin’ on any toes there, doin’ that. I KNOW you’re busy Friend…I never mind to help, when time permits. T’anks for the update…I didn’t hink it would be other than as you put it. The sole thought that keeps coming to mind lately is “What is the ACTUAL Plate loadings at present?”, over and over again.

          So mucxh of what happens solar is essentially something we have SOME forewarning about…but this seismic is another matter…best left in Thy capable hands!! Keep up the good work Griend. Oh, and by the way, remember about the fleas, “tis easy to scratch”!

          Till later….

          JOG

          • incognito says:

            Is it plausible that there is a connection between solar activity and tectonic plate movements? Could the varying degrees solar radiation act as a lubricant of such? As we are moving through the suns solar cycle and activity is peaking, so are the seismic events it seems.

            • JustOneGuy says:

              @ incognito,

              Quite actually, though not entirely at this moment. Solar activity has been suprisingly low during this, cycle 24, and of late little which can be attributed thereto.

              Broadly, the Earth is just a large bar magnet and if you have anything resembling a current passing anywhere near to it in space (ie, a CME) then yes, there is a coupling bewtween the two. As said though, lately not much.

              JOG

          • Be informed says:

            @ JustOneGuy. It is very interesting to see what is happening up in the eastern Russia area, you can see the plate boundaries that have been compressed for so long between the Asian, North American and the Pacific plate. The Pacific plate of course is less dense and losing the battle as the Pacific Ocean is actually shrinking in size. There is a lot of built up pools of magma as this article I found the other day explains towards New Zealand: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2277413/The-supervolcano-forming-Pacific-wipe-life-dont-panic–100-million-years-erupts.html

            There of course give a time table of 100 million years, but it does not mean that this built up pool cannot shoot out a supervolcano or two in the upcoming very near future. The action we are seeing between the two sumo wrestlers, the Asian and North American plates, can cause much pressure on the Pacific plate and lead to something horrible. Just look at the volcanoes already going off in eastern Russia. This is why I said from this collision of the two plates it can lead to a much larger that Mt. St. Helens eruption in this area. Even something as large as a Mt Pinatubo level like back in 1991 in the Philippines.

            This area of Russia around the Kamchatka Peninsula I think because of this triple plate convergence is capable of a super mega earthquake approaching the high 9 range. This area back in the 50′s had a low 9 pointer. The Kuril Isalnds are also a lesser danger for a mega quake. Just when this area has been hit before, always a 7+ has followed. Remember when the plate boundary was hit several weeks ago and sure enough a big quake followed. This is an area that seldom gets hit, but when it does big earthquakes follow. This time this was huge for the area, and in all likelihood indicates that something huge is coming in the days or a couple weeks later.

        • Kulafarmer says:

          @Bi
          Curious what line of work your in? I really enjoy reading your seismic info, having grown up on the island of Hawaii we did a lot of shaking, its been years since we had any big ones,

      • HisArmsWide says:

        Very much so. It took Hornady 10 weeks, ordered first of December, to deliver my ‘free’ 308 bullets from from their ongoing deal for each set set of dies get 100 bullets. (I got 500, more than I’ll shoot in years out of a 308) Thankfully my order of Lapua was placed prior to that.

    18. I_Loved_America says:

      Does anyone have some links on government stocking up? Doesn’t seem like consumer demand would be enough to overwhelm the manufacturers. And certainly not enough for the manufacturers to tell stores not to place orders.

      • Paranoid says:

        This is the land of just in time inventory. Nobody has a stockpile of anything. Be it bread and milk for a snow storm or ammo. This has been caused by people buying guns. Someone buys a gun and a few boxes of ammo and we are out. Then the run starts, people who haven’t bought ANY IN YEARS DECIDE TO BUY A BOX OF 22 AND THE WHOLE WORLD RUNS OUT. THAT’S WHY SOME OF US HAVE BEEN YELLING FOR PEOPLE TO BUY WHAT THEY NEED OF ANYTHING BECAUSE WHEN THE SHTF IT’S to late! I have bought one box of 38 during this whole mess (And they have never been out of 38 or 357 during this whole time, which tells me LEO isn’t buying very much) The military isn’t causing this either. The Gov uses very little 22, the machines won’t make military ammo, it does not use primers or military powder, This shortage is caused by civilians buying ammo.

    19. The Last American says:

      Last week the DW and I renewed our Carry permits at the local gun shop/range. We got there at 4:40pm and left around 8:30pm. The entire time we were there, there was at least a 3-4 person line at the cash register to purchase firearms and ammo. In those 4 hours they could have sold maybe 100 guns? There were also 20-30 people waiting to use the range as well.

      “Will the last Americans leaving Detroit and St. Paul please turn off the lights and take down the Flag”.

      • Kindle says:

        Last American,

        “Will the last Americans leaving Detroit and St. Paul please turn off the lights and take down the Flag”.

        I keep thinking maybe we should leave the lights on becuase the bad guys will go there first….kinda like going toward the sound of a generator running.

        This diversion will give the good guys time to take down the flag and slip into the darkness.

        NOMI

    20. After the Collapse says:

      Ammo Shortage 2013

      The Ammo shortage being experienced across the country is so severe that almost all popular ammo calibers are sold out online and in stores. Backorders have no estimated eta and most places wont even let you backorder. January 2013

    21. Kirbyman says:

      “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty” T. Jefferson; that pretty much sums up where we are!

      • The Last American says:

        @Kirbyman
        I know that Luther, Calvin, and Knoxx, the leaders for the Protestant Reformation held this view too. I’m just not 100% certain that I agree. In my heart I want to believe this is what God would want but I just can’t find a Biblical basis for revolt against a Government God allowed to become elected.

        Self defense yes. If self defense includes defense against an ungodly Government, involved in violent actions, well then we’ve got something.

        Although the Evil that lives in the White House is behind many ungodly policies, as of yet they have not become violent, and if they are as clever as I think that they are, they will not.

        I’m not sure if the population knows just how really evil the Darkness in the White House is.

        NOMI?

        • The Last American says:

          As Christians we are to take care of those around us. You know, The Golden Rule ect.

          I suppose that the argument could be made that if we see a Government killing the unborn, promoting unnatural sex, stealing from it’s citizen’s thru the printing of money, attempting to take items that do not belong to them (guns), leaving once free men as slaves to the Government, then telling lies about what they are doing, some might believe that the time to resist has come. If for no other reason the well being and safty of our fellow Americans.

          • JustOneGuy says:

            @ TLA,

            GOD had little to do with those who are in office now having gotten there. As has been observed here before, the ‘One Above’ utterly will NOT abrogate the Free Will of His Children….and this that we see about us now is ONLY the simple manifestation of that thought, it’s consequence. The contrary notion, to interfere in all things, all the TIME is identically the central aspect of the “One Below”, who KNEW better than even the ONE who made him. Dwell on that for a bit, if you will Friend. “I know it when I see it”…so it is.

            It IS time for Humanity to grow-up and become what He intends for us to be, Responsible, Caring people who do NOT tolerate Evil to be commited in thier presence, nor even suffer it to abide within us or about us. Rejoice, for FINALITY is coming…those who populate the government are too stupid to swerve from the lunatic path they have embarked upon…simply T O O S T U P I D.
            So now it WILL come.

            “NONI”!!!, …Indeed
            “FMCDH”

            JOG

            • The Last American says:

              @ Justoneguy
              God has everything to do with everything, otherwise He is not God. Somethings he causes to happen, others He allows to happen.
              The theology you expouse was first put forth by Jacob Arminius and rejected by the Church Fathers of the day. As I recall old Jake was put to death for his non-biblical teachings. It is nothing but theology for the simple minded.
              The problem is, if you take your view, God just sits around and watches while we “Play God”. What a very small God you have then. This is not Biblical, nor does fulfill God’s role of King/God.

              If you follow that line of thought, man can save himself, yet scripture tells us that all have sinned and the heart is wicked.Ephiesians 2:1 (And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins) No Free Will there. The Bible is full of the term “The elect”, or God’s chosen.
              Yes, God knows what is going to happen because it is all in His plan. Yes He allows bad things to happen and at times He does not anser prayer the way we would like Him to because His plan may not include what we ask for.

        • Last American,
          We are brainwashed about the whole ‘Godly authority’ thing. This was put in the bible by Rome, who edited the scriptures for their own church/empire building. The idea of this came out of Babylon, where the Babylon Mystery religion was the third arm of government as the priests told people to ‘submit to God given authority’.

          Where is Godliness in a government that kicks God out of the schools, the womb, the public square, and now we have no rights to our own bodies or self defense of our persons? This is malevolence, pure evil. This is what governments ALWAYS END UP being… and we, the Good guys allowed it. We laid down on the altar of Liberty and took a nap, our individuality is our greatest strength and our Achilles heel. We are divided by the MYSTERY of the church, good people enabling evil by doctrines of devils. What is a doctrine of devils? Any doctrine that enables evil… like… apathy, waiting around for ‘Jesus to fix it’? This is the result of mystery and superstition overriding our common sense of decency and God given rights, that we gave up when we allowed government to take God away from the education system, we sewed the wind and look what a whirlwind we have reaped.

          Think, would God require people to watch their elderly and their children die at the hands of a ‘Godly’ authority? IS self defense extended to the family? By all rights then, is it not extended to extended family? So what is an extended family? All the ‘good guys’? Will preachers turn against the hand that feeds them their tax free 30 pieces of silver? The oldest scriptures are more truthful… who does HE say are HIS hands of JUSTICE?

          The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, He was appalled that there was no one to intervene. (Isaiah 59:15-16)

          Blessed are they who maintain justice . . . . (Psalm 106:3)

          • PS:
            Read the books of Samuel and find out how the whole ‘king’ thing started…
            God, did NOT want us to have Kings. Because they would take the people away from Him…
            I say again, the full meaning of Babylon lies in the Triune System; money changers, kings AND priests. They all support one another.

        • JayJay says:

          Ezekiel 33 “… 6 ‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’

          Exodus 22:2-3 2 “If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed

          Esther 8:11-12 11 By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their lives — to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them, both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions…

          Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

      • “…Either we hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”
        -Benjamin Franklin

        A good lesson for OUR TIME.

      • MXLord327 says:

        My first thought is that this was fantastic news, I hope more manufacturers join in on the boycott. My next thought, though, was that 0bama would just fire up “Fast & Furious” again, this time with the guns & ammo going to these areas….

      • MXLord327 says:

        After everyone reads this article, make sure you read the comments, especially the one that was re-posted from Free Republic. Gold.

    22. keep your stock up, dont expell any un-necessary rounds, if you dont have what it takes to re-load what you shoot, than dont shoot it.

      I have a lower limit on specific ammo, if that number is reached that group of arms sits idle while i source the components.

      I also keep my proficiancy by shooting smaller arms, even going as far as a pellet gun if necessary to stay tactically sharp.

      I bet a S-load of new gun owners and back yard wanna bees already blazed thru their ammo stock, and now own a goofy looking baseball bat.

      I have a guy at work buggin me for 9mm, ( i dont own anything that small, and not sure if i want to deal with re-loading it) he said he went and picked up a new 9mm semi auto, went and bought a few boxes for it and ran thru it, than went to pick up a few more boxes for it this past week and , what ya know he got the rude wake up call that those who have not been paying attention get, when they get to the ammo case and its empty.

      word of caution..dont go blasting thru what you have, you might need each and every round, this isnt anywhere near being over.

      • I only shoot what I have already replaced. If I can’t buy ammo, I don’t shoot that week. My normal routine is to rotate out my carry ammo monthly, buy new ammo to replace what I have pulled out of stock and use the old ammo that I was carrying to practice with. This insures that I alway have frech ammo. Never shoot up all of your ammo and expect to replace it later. May not happen before you need it.

        • Another thing I do is date every box of ammo I purchase. First in first out. Just like my food.

          • Paranoid says:

            Really wow! most of the ammo I shoot is 30 years old, some of it is 60 plus. and a little has been WW I or before. Ammo keeps extremely well. I’ve shot some Brit ammo from the Borer War. Got thousands of 223 and 30-06 in basement that’s 60′s and 1970′s shoots great.

            • Smokey says:

              Boer War.

              Properly stored, ammo will keep for decades.

            • HisArmsWide says:

              May want to test a sample from each batch. I’ve not had as good luck with older ammo. I had a big batch a few years ago circa 1970′s of 7.62. I was at the range shooting it out of a HK91 and the gun was all kinds of mad. It would cycle but the roller blocks wouldn’t lock up so the next round wouldn’t fire. I’d cycle by hand for a new round and it would happen again. And then I saw one round hit the ground about 50′ in front of me when I was aimed at a 100 yard target and immediately stopped shooting for fear I’d end up with a stuck bullet in the barrel. The ammo looked fine, no corrosion, definitely not green, bullets had good tension, primers looked okay. But that ammo was worthless. And of course I went back to the gun show the next day and the vendor was long gone.

      • VRF,

        This is why I cannot stress enough for all people to pick up your brass.. Even if you don’t reload PICK UP YOUR BRASS. We reloaders are willing to help people out in a emergency, but I will not help those that won’t help themselves. So if you need a few hundred rounds then bring some brass with you, I will not be parting with mine.

        NOMI
        DPS

        • exactly, keep the brass. even if yo do not reload.

          I have even dug into the hill out at my local range to reclaim some lead

          I also always check the grounds for brass..I even take the sizes i dont shoot..you never know who might need it

          I have already forwarded a few hundred rounds of 9mm brass as barter for some small magnum rifle primers.( i dont own a toy that uses 9mm, but it still spends like money in the arms world)

          good contacts and awake willing people that know WTF is going on can be your best allies, even if they dont have the ability or knowledge to reload, they got eyes and ears to help you find it.

      • 10mm says:

        Outstanding advise VRF.It’s far from over and if the reports coming out about a springtime dollar crises,riots etc,then one will only wish they had that ammo they used up in winter.If it happens it will roll into summer,fall,winter.

      • Semper Fi y'all says:

        Good points, VFR.

        For every 1,000 rounds of reloadable ammo, and it’s all reloadable, I pull out 100 rounds to shoot, keeping 900 rounds in reserve. I’ve been doing this for the past 50 years. I get 30-35 shots from most of my brass. That’s 3,500 shots from 100 rounds of brass. By the time the primer pockets loosen I’ve replaced the 100 rounds of brass many times. I cast all of my bullets. They are very efficient, accurate and dependable.

        Semper Fi

    23. After the Collapse says:

      The Catholic / Jesuit church is not a force for good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQHxkX-tyYU&feature=player_embedded

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        AtC. I’m Christian but not Catholic, and it looks like your still trying to spread your Anti Christian hatered. Did you grow up Catholic? Most people like you and Robbin Williams and George Carlin grew up in Catholic homes, and then fell away, and then you go on a vendetta attacking GOD. At least you, and that foul mouthed Willams still have time to repent, and accept Christ as your Savior. Carlin has gone on to meet his maker, and he’s not so cute anymore. Just as one day guns and ammo are every where and in an instant there gone. So will be your opportunity for Salvation. Don’t let it slip away. Trekker Out.

    24. I started years ago stockpiling ammo. I always bought in case lots from my local small dealer. When he was going to place an order for ammo, I would pay him in advance to order me one or two cases as well. Since I paid him in advance, he would give me a good deal and still make a profit. Support your local small dealer and work with them. You may have to pay a few cents a round more, but they will go out of their way to help you out.

    25. Satori says:

      “revolt” spreading

      http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/13/olympic-arms-inc-announces-new-york-state-sales-policy-will-no-longer-serve-first-responders/

      “Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.

      In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.”

      good for them

      • roger says:

        I posted a link earlier that covers several manufacturers who will no longer sell to LEO’s or FLEA’s.
        It’s about time….;)

      • Zoltanne says:

        I have wondered if something/some group has prevented these companies from denial of service.

        Along the same note, there are several excellent machinists who have become completely bogged down with Govt orders — so much so that regular customers have been put through very long delays. One machinist in the PW we do biz with hired more staff and built onto the existing structure to accommodate the Feds. While business might be good on the spreadsheet, don’t think any investment w/ the Feds is the way to go.

      • rock on !

        OA i supprt you for your back bone

      • Satori,

        Magpul in Co joined that list as well except they are taking about moving their plant out of the state..

        DPS

      • JustOneGuy says:

        @ Satori,

        NOW THIS IS BRILLIANT!!

        How’s about EVERY manufacturer in the WHOLE country just walk away from these a-holes right now: S&W, Ruger, Browning…all of them. Let’s see how the “Great State of NY” looks six months afterwards…. it’ll look like Beirut in about two weeks would be my guess, HAH!!!

        All you folk out there, think about this….HARD.
        “Think Thrice…then ACT.”

        JOG

        • Satori says:

          FANTASTIC idea

          hopefully more manufactures will cut those A-holes out of the loop

        • JayJay says:

          http://www.inquisitr.com/521043/rick-perry-invites-california-companies/

          Texas Gov. Rick Perry Invites California Companies To Come On Down To The Lone Star State

          This is Texas Governor Rick Perry, and I have a message for California businesses. Come check out Texas. There are plenty of reasons Texas has been named the best state for doing business for eight years running. Visit texaswideopenforbusiness.com and see why our low taxes, sensible regulations and fair legal system are just the thing to get your business moving to Texas.”

          {It wouldn’t hurt to rub it in saying, “We are pro-guns–any type!!”

          • lastmanstanding says:

            Yet the state of Texas has instituted a program called
            C-scope in over 800 school districts.

            It is communist propaganda pure and simple.

            Perry is a Bilderburg, cfr, etc…but hey lets just overlook that.

        • Um, folks, it’s not just about guns. Don’t sell them ANYTHING…toilet paper, tires, fuel, ANYTHING…don’t plow their snow…don’t fix their plumbing or heating…don’t haul their trash…get it yet? If they come to take it, tell them you gave it away for the tax write off. Look up “siege” and act accordingly.

    26. The Last American says:

      “Will the last Americans leaving Louisville, Bowling Green, Frankfort and Lexington Kentucky please turn off the lights, take down the Flag, and pack as much Bourbon Whiskey into your bug out 4×4′s as they can hold”.

      That also holds for the folks from around Lynchburg and Tullahoma Tennessee.

    27. After the Collapse says:

      No Ammo ??? or Low level of Ammo stock …

      Dry Gun Drill Skill Practice – practice your gun handling skills weekly .

      first treat all guns as if they are loaded .

      never point a weapon at anything you don’t intend to destroy .

      finger “off trigger” resting straightened along side of gun trigger housing till weapon pointed at target you intend to destroy .

      check for loaded rounds in gun chambers and ensure the magazines are empty of ammo .

      also do not dry fire rim-fired bullet guns rifles such as .22 LR , damages them .

      dry practice drill your draw breath control fire re-load .

      practice repeatedly re-loading in the dark .

      practice using a flashlight and aiming moving firing .

      practice one handed , with both hands , doing the above drills . double practice with your weak hand .

      practice practice practice .

      oil wipe down your guns after each use , same with your gear , store cleaned dry lightly oiled safely secured away from untrained children . store extra back up flash light with gun and prime gun light .

      remember always treat all guns rifles as loaded at all times even unloaded weapons , only point weapons at targets you intend to destroy .

      AtC

      • Kindle says:

        AtC,
        I have recently purchased “snap caps” for all my tools. Been doing exactly what you outlined above. It is great advice to all.

        • After the Collapse says:

          excellent idea @Kin , i use empty brass casings set aside for dry drill . developing firearm muscle memory will give you that edge to survive gun combat .

          AtC

          • Kindle says:

            I like the snap caps because you can load them in your magazines. I pratice switching out the mags and firing in order to get the the process from A to Z down pat. Don’t know if you could do that with empty brass.

      • Semper Fi y'all says:

        That “finger off trigger” is BullS.

        • After the Collapse says:

          @sfy … funny , as i was taught that very rule of safety at usmc basic training parris island and at advanced ground combat infantry … what happens when you stumble , fall or get shot with your finger in the guard on the trigger and your rifle is aimed at your foot or at a u.s. marine team mate or non-combatant child or woman . hmmmmm ???

          that’s right its called accidental discharge Jarhead .
          and people die suffer unnecessarily for your ignorance .

          if the u.s. marine corps wanted you to think for yourself buckethead it would of issued you a brain .

          AtC

          • Semper Fi y'all says:

            I learned trigger control and sight picture with the M1 Garand, best rifle ever made. Now you PC folks with your poodle poppers can keep your finger wherever you want as long as you’re not around me. My finger is on the trigger if I’m threatened and I don’t draw my piece unless threatened whether 1911-A1 or M1 Garand.

            Lock and Load, a term orginating on the line as in the command, “With a clip of 8 rounds, Lock and Load. . .”
            Semper Fi

            • Paranoid says:

              Are you kidding? The “LOCK” refers to the lock on a flintlock. 150 years before the M1 was invented. Same vintage as: Lock, Stock , and Barrel; doesn’t refer to the contents of a general store but the parts of a rifle.

      • BBstacker says:

        ATC:

        Thanks for bringing this up. IMHO dry fire practice is the best way to get that muscle memory in tune, especially drawing from concealment, mag changes and trigger resets. I also make it a point to practice from positions that I would normally be in, such as driving in my truck. Quick drawing the ole XD 45 from a concealment holster, while seated in a pickup can be a challenge, but one that needs to be practiced, since we normally can’t make an appointment for an emergency.

        Thanks again

        BB

    28. Be informed says:

      I know that I have been irritating certain people with earthquake forecasts on a site that deals with potential real disasters. I hope that even those that hate these earthquake forecasts see just how well they work. On comment # 1134727 at Feb.10 11:18 PM, and comment # 1136251 at Feb.11 12:24 PM on the article “The number one reason to invest in gold”. Eastern Russia was mentioned as one of the locations to be hit by Feb.25 by a 6.5+. Today Feb.14 in Siberia a 6.6 or 6.9 depending on the source hit just like predicted. To those that dislike these forecasts you have to admit the system works, at least give a little credit to this.

      • The Last American says:

        @BI,
        I like your reports, you’re doing the Lord’s work and many of us are with you dude!

      • HisArmsWide says:

        BI don’t worry about it. Until Mac offers up a comment to tone it down, do your thing. Real information about real potential disasters beats yet another hate or trolling post by (to make a earthquake pun) at least an order of magnitude in terms of interesting information.

      • It’s all good. It’ll be good to know when one’s gonna hit my neighborhood.

      • Todd says:

        The earthquake posts are the ones I read the most. I scan the others, but always do a page search for “be informed”. Between your location predictions and another person I follow who is pretty good with the dates, I’m learning a ton about when and where quakes may occur.

        There are a ton of people on this site on a daily basis. You can’t please everyone. There’s no forum on this site, so the only way to get out this info is through the comments. I know a ton of people appreciate them.

        I’m watching anxiously as I have to go to Indianapolis in a couple weeks for 4 days, and it’s way too close to the New Madrid for my liking…

        • Be informed says:

          @ Todd. I was doing a little bit of examining the plates tonight on my globe, the only way to really see what is happening on a three dimensional scale, and something rather bothersome came up. If you take a tape measure and go directly up from the west coast of South America to the Siberian quake today, that direction take you right through the very center of the New Madrid. This bothers me because the North American and South American plates are drifting in a way much like you would see an opened pair of scissors. The South American pate is moving towards the west with a slight southerly direction, while the North American plate is moving west by northwest.

          If you take the plates and follow this as you would a pair of scissors from the point at which they met outward, from that point it follows to the southern most part of the New Madrid. This is what is so disturbing is that this earthquake from Siberia right down to the South Sandwich Island region along most of the west coast of South America, again right through the New Madrid. I would say there could be a risk IF you see a very large earthquake in the South Sandwich Islands region. This area 8 days after an earthquake in Siberia on June 22, 2008 that was 6.1, had a quake of 7.0. The South Sandwich area is on what is called the Scotia plate.

          I would be very worried for the New Madrid if you had a 7.5+ down on the Scotia plate and even more so if you had a very large quake along the west coast of South America after this Siberian quake. It would mean that some line of connection had been established that would pass through the New Madrid. As more earthquakes present themselves this should be clearer. Anyway my eyes are totally bugging out from trying to figure this. I think in a couple of weeks we will know what will happen, and at least Indianapolis at not right on top of the fault, about 150 miles to the east will give you some degree of reduction in shaking if it should go. Just watch for any of these future on this line for big earthquakes to indicate increased risk of the fault breaking.

          • Todd says:

            Thanks BI! I really appreciate the analysis! It makes me feel a little better that you don’t see any immediate threat to the area. And knowing that Indy is 150 miles is a good thing too. I wasn’t exactly sure where that fault runs exactly. I’m going to save your comment so if there are large quakes in the next couple weeks, I can reference it as to the areas you said you watch out for.

            Keep up the great work!

      • After the Collapse says:

        @BI … try associating your earth quake reports knowledge with active government HAARP use , nuclear detonations .

        there’s strong science investigation backed association there as of animal bird fish mass kill off in the 1000′s and super storms from government HAARP and Nuclear explosions .

        AtC

      • Any chance on earthquake hitting D.C. I need something to look forward to.

        • Be informed says:

          @ ed. The largest quake in the DC area probably would be a high 5 to low 6 range, that would be pushing it as the most likely would be a mid 5 range. The best chance for a natural disaster here would be another hurricane stronger than Sandy, that is very possible. You could always get a small asteroid that would scream in. Only a 25-30 footer would take out most of the area. Of course when any area such as DC has that much stupidity and wickedness in it, the area could implode all by itself. ;)

      • Paranoid says:

        Not to argue; but why do I care about earthquakes in Siberia?

        • After the Collapse says:

          @para … because of the butterfly effect … for every action there is a reaction , a rippling disturbance of the Tectonic plates of Earth across the entire globe .

          is why .

          AtC

        • Be informed says:

          @ Paranoid. You ask why should you care about a earthquake in Siberia. Good question. The answer is because you and most of the people here ride on the North American plate, and this earthquake in Siberia showed a tremendous type of collision going on between the North American and Asian plate, both that are mostly continental crust. The Pacific plate is mostly oceanic crust that is much less dense and heavy. When these two sections of crusts show this type of push against each other, the entire planet is affected because of the enormity of both of these plates. The twisting of the North American plate could easily set off the New Madrid fault for example, along with the San Andreas and Cascadia.

          The research I do shows that when something happens all the way on the other side of the planet, it often affects something thousands of miles away. This is one reason these earthquake forecasts are accurate, because this is taken into account what a section of crust can do to another. Your question is something that many people ask. The main answer to this is that the planet is not that big, and the crust is actually linked in almost if not all areas. In other words you have the African plate go into spasms and this could set off the Pacific plate in several locations. Can of like when you have a tiny little chip in the windshield and you go over the wrong bump and this crack migrates to several spots in the windshield. Then you wish you had gone in and had that little ding in window cored out and fixed for 1/3 the cost. In short, what happens somewhere far away can and does sometimes affect where you live right under your feet.

      • Former Cal Girl says:

        BI I always look for your reports. Keep up the good work.

      • JustOneGuy says:

        DAMMIT BI,

        QUIT APOLOGIZING!!! :)

        Friend, EVERYONE here knows it works…just keep up the ‘good’ work! No more Finx or any of the variety of other shit-heads here…LET IT GO. There’s more here ‘got your back’ than you know. Keep on Keepin’ on!!!

        JOG SAYS!!!

        • you don't need to know says:

          THANK YOU JOG!!!! I keep thinking the same thing. Every time some UNINFORMED person commits on BIs forcast and he apologizes, I think WHY???

          Isn’t America sorta free? At least here on this site! ANd certainly enough of us read his posts or come here specifically for his posts!!!

          KEEP POSTING AND EDUCATING US BI!!!

          • Be informed says:

            @ JustOneGuy and you don’t need to know. It is not apologizing it is more that I want to focus attention on why anyone would have an issue with trying to forecasts disasters on a site SHTFplan that caters to trying to figure out something before it happens. I highly value your solar reports and trying to tie into what is going to happen with the world. Others though consider it OFF subject, which is pure horse manure. I just can’t understand anyone that would attack something the relates to the main theme of the site, preparedness.

            There have been many different people that contribute something to the site that have been very critical of the earthquake and solar reports. These people I would hate to lose, as we need everyone’s ideas to help us get ready for what is coming. The stupid trolls that try to destroy the sites like that cockroach finx, that psycho Joker in NC, and many others can go f a knothole in some sycamore tree. It is the people that add good ideas that don’t understand the importance of earthquake and other disaster forecasting that I am concerned about and why I try to explain myself to them.

      • Dont let the naysayers stop you…its somethingyoure good at and most people here appreciate… :)

      • Anon says:

        Yeah I love your earthquake reports sir. I read the North Korean bomb test by you before it hit msm, so I don’t know why someone would have a problem with it. Besides, way I see it, it’s your trademark. So keep them coming please sir.

    29. Tucker says:

      http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/170775/the-gun-lobbys-jewish-enemies-list/#ixzz2Kn3kvbrM

      Here’s an interesting article posted at the jewish Forward blog section.

      The very same tribe of arrogant, totalitarian gun grabbers are beginning to notice that the NRA is compiling and tracking the list of names of their tribe members and making the identity of the #1 enemy of the Second Amendment known to their membership. This is a very, very good sign.

      I notice that the jewish author of this article must have accidentally forgot to mention that the last time the jews managed to disarm a nation (Russia, 1917) that the end result was the systematic mass murder of over 66 million White Europeans of Russian and Ukrainian descent.

      That had to be an innocent oversight, I’m sure.

    30. Imagine if all those Anti-Federalists hadn’t demanded a Bill of Rights. Thank God for their distrust of the federal government. The Bill of Rights is the only part of the Constitution still standing in the way of tyranny. Remember that we have a legal right and obligation to stand up against any violation of the Bill of Rights. If the government passes gun laws, their the criminals, not us for ignoring their illegal laws that have no authority beyond their ability to use force which is much more difficult against an armed citizenship.

    31. pale rider says:

      Believe it or not I really don’t care, because I saw something like what is happening now back in 1997 and that’s when I started stocking up on guns and ammo never have stopped.

      We have very little time left to prep, PLEASE don’t hold back on picking up what you need NOW. As you all can see everything is getting in short supply in the ammo and guns next will be FOOD mark my word on that.

      And yes I’m scared SHITLESS of what is about to happen, there is going to be a lot of PAIN and MISERY in the very, very near FUTURE. The puppet masters have pulled just about all the strings they can and the last ones they have left are not PRETTY, downright UGLY.

      All I can say is PREPARE FOR THE TROUBLE TIMES ahead of us.

      NOMI
      PR

    32. Clyde says:

      SW MO. .232/5.56 a box or two here and there, if your lucky. Haven’t seen a 22LR in months. 40 S&W all you want. 9 mm its around if you look. .17 HMR plenty around. Shotgun shells, could buy a truck load if you wanted it. All of the popular hunting loads 30.06 .270 7mm all you want. Reloading supplies, forget it. Primers, none around. Powder, IMR 4350 and the like same thing. Brass isles are empty, and have been for months. This HB in MO to outlaw assult rifles will go nowhere. It is another Libtard from ST Louis just trying to calm the restless natives. One of his claims to fame is he was a bodyguard to MLK. I sent him an email and asked if he was armed during that time. NO response yet. Maybe we should all load up on ammo and meet in the middle somewhere and have a SHTF swap meet. Rent a place and share a few oat soda’s. ?? Seems like some areas of the country have different ammo available.

      • Semper Fi y'all says:

        I was born in SW Missouri a long time ago. Good people down there. Now while this story came from the ridge runners all across the corn country, it applies to control freaks:

        Revenooer drove up the lane to the porch where a lad was carving a corncob pipe. Revennooer said to the kid, “I’ll give you five dollars if you tell me where your pa put his still.”

        Kid put out his hand for the money.

        “You’ll get your money when we come back.”

        Kid says, “You ain’t coming back.”

        Semper Fi

      • jerrytbg says:

        You mean barley pop…right…;)

    33. Z-71 says:

      Reader for some time, first reply. Talked to two employees of two different big box stores here in no.fl. one emp.working the night shift stocking was holding back ammo and tipping off small gun store owner when it would be avaiable then being resold at double the price at the small gun store who always seemed to have a box or two left on his shelf but would say it’s going fast, the other employ said $4600 worth of 223 ammo all they had went to one guy in one sale, ammo ended up at another small gun store at dbl,the price ammo dealer got involved and forced the g-store to sell at reg.retail prices if they wanted to continue business with them. Thus the reason for limiting quanty of sales, so avg Joe might have a chance at decent prices for ammo. Although this is hear say I suspect there is some truth in the storys. I’m not against free enterprise but I am against price gouging.

    34. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Most don’t see it however…

      “[I will] wipe up every drop of blood shed in the war with [a] handkerchief of mine.” A.W. Venable (1861)

      The next four years would see the death of a million Americans and the bleeding of millions more.

    35. GregorKlusar says:

      We the people are ready to take the shit the government shovels.
      There will be only one end result. The people win.

    36. rachel says:

      I live in a very rural county, apples country here, and though it took a little longer for ammo shortgaes to come here compared to larger cities, we have a shortage out here in nowhere even. I also noticed guns of all kinds are flying off the shelves even out here in the country. We didn’t see this even during clinton’s term. The american people simply do not trust the government and are stocking up.

    37. Emily says:

      Be Informed, the majority here, 99.9% are not bothered by your earthquake posts, many here read them, and if a quake occurs, someone will post it for you on here.
      Do not let the ‘irritants’ get to you, they are not worth it. I learn something everytime I come here., today I am learning about ammo, shooting, and not to waste ones ammo.

      • clint hospo says:

        I agree, an earthquake and knowing or hearing from someone that can keep us informed without all the bs websties and hearing from the horses mouth is much easier and trustworthy. your not trying to market a product or sell our or force us to watch a commerical. I think the majority really appreciates what you do. Thats what makes this website good Be informed. We hear something from everyone in small amounts and most of us are knowledge sharing people that benefit from it. I know about guns you know about earhtquakers and this person knows about how to can foods well, so it helps us out giving us a good full spectrum of everything. Thank you and thank you to the ones that care and share honest and accurate stuff. There are a few on here that are deadbeats and they are still entitled to share their opinion. Even though they are a pain in our ass. you know one in North carolina.

        • Be informed says:

          @ Emily and clint hospo. You are both right, I am not trying to market anything or really get anything from earthquake forecasting. The real purpose is to finally be some sort of pioneer in figuring out a way of forecasting what for so long “we have been told” is impossible to forecast. It is kind of a way of showing the world that, YES there are answers to life’s difficult questions. The other reason is to figure it out so maybe someday this can be use to save lives from people that don’t have to die and suffer.

          Truly we live a very short life span in comparison to the time scale of things. We don’t even live as long as turtles. If during our lives we can contribute something to the betterment of the world, then our lives have showed something that we have added to such an awful world that this has become. Besides all of that, I myself want to know when the next quake is going to strike, I have wanted to know this for so long. I just can’t believe how well this well for predicting these quakes. Makes sense though because the plates are all interconnected with each other, and where one quake has happened before after one section of a plate has moved, it will happen again in a close by or the same spot.

    38. J Gibbs, PhD says:

      This is a repost from and old article back in December, and the manufacturer report is from a Denver dealer who posted on a blogsite a few weeks back. Steve Q picked his blog post and reprinted it as from another source to him (Stuff he does all the time). No that the info is unfounded, but MBAbulldog posted the manf. data.

    39. here is another reason to stock up now..

      A wealthy Democratic donor is fanning the flames of speculation that Hillary Clinton is indeed running for president.

      Sacramento developer Angelo Tsakopoulos was reported to have said Bill Clinton has confirmed that the former Secretary of State will make a bid for the White House again.

      The millionaire is said to have told the Greek Reporter that Clinton’s husband revealed his wife’s political ambition, as the power couple gear up for a 2016 race.

    40. After the Collapse says:

      United States Gov murdered their own – Waco Texas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPtDJ02Jn0

    41. slingshot says:

      VRF
      I pray it isn’t so. Chances are they will be busy doing other things instead of elections.

    42. Eisenkreutz says:

      Never has a government been so thoroughly warned to back off.

    43. Eisenkreutz says:

      What is the machine called that allows you to reload spent brass casings and how much are they?

      • Paranoid says:

        Whatever you want to pay, from a cheap LEE Loader for a few bucks, which loads one at a time very slowly. To some monster presses that load one every pull of the handle. Several good brands, RCBS, Dillon.

        • Paranoid,

          Back in the 80′s I reloaded with the little Lee kit for my 357 made some great rounds. Even today the little Lee turret press is hard to beat for $100.00. Yes the Dillon is top of the line but several of my friends still use the Lee loaders.It all about what a person likes.. Its kinda like most Harley riders that only ride with other Harley riders.. Myself I don’t care what somebody rides or loads with as long as they are doing it..

          NOMI
          DPS

      • there is more to re-loading than just a press

        RCBS
        LEE
        would be the two I would look at

        but like i said above theres more to this than the press

        sizing dies, de-priming dies, case trimmers,neck champer tools, accurate small weight scales, re-loading manuals, and tables, powder measures, brass tumbler and media,primer installing tools, dial calipers, proceedures manuals, bore scopes, small magnifying glasses,case lube, case lube pad, bench, brass, ballistics,powder ( the right powder) primers ( the correct ones for what your loading) Im also probably leaving some things out, im sure I am..

        Its something you should be into, and have patience for, its proceedure intensive, and has to have your undevided attention…you sure dont want to produce a squib load , especially for a semi auto ( recipe for disaster you will end up with a done gun, junk, and if lucky no injuries, but no guarentee on that)..or produce a double powder load charge and boy those arnt any fun either..

        dont get me wrong im not pushing you away, but this isnt childs play..it is very very accurate time intensive work

        if you get everything you need, you could easily blow a grand..easy…tahn add up all the dies you want, the brass, etc.. you’ll have quite an investment that will take many thousands of rounds to pay back before you will be acctually making “cheap” rounds

        I been at this shit for many many years, i dont really know how long,,really a long time, if i had to guess..25 plus years

        • Oh and I forgot to add, I had gotten out of it (reloading) for a few years doing other hobbies, home projects etc..
          so when I got back into it, I was Ill prepped for this shit too. sucks but it it is what it is. Im bummed that it messed with a hobby of mine that I liked, a lot.

          • MXLord327 says:

            Same here VRF, when I was a teen and early 20′s I reloaded everything I shot, but then came kids, 60 hour work weeks, etc., so I got out of it for 10-15 years. Hell, you could get a box of good .308 or ’06 at wally world for $7, why bother reloading? Now they are $25-$30 bucks it is worth it again. I can reload some really cheap rounds, or for the same price as factory loads, I can reload some match-grade ammo with top quality bullets like Swift Scirocco’s or Nosler Partiion/Accubond. Plus it is a really great hobby, if you have the time!!!

      • JustOneGuy says:

        @ Eiz,

        Brother, they’re typically called ‘presses’ and they come in an assortment of ‘flavors’; single-stage, multi-stage, progressive and etc. A single stage is much like what it sounds like you have to thiongs ‘one stage’ per pass on a handful of rounds. For a multi-stage. similarly but these have a rotating head at the top which holds the various dies used during the assmebly process. The fastest of the ones mentioned above is a progressive press..it simulatneous, consecutively performs each relevant operation as as sequence usually in a rotating base.

        Price: Varies….low-end for the entire set up maybe 150, hig-end you’ll be looking at a minumum of 500 and that could go al the way to 1800 roundabouts…it’s all got to do with how fast your trtying to relaod and what volume you’re intending to turn out. Bear in mind also that there are auxillary items that are NECCESSARY also such an accurate powder scale, micrometers, case trimmers …yada, yada, yada…that’ll add to things a bit. Hope that helps, if more info needed, ASK!

        JOG

      • lastmanstanding says:

        rcbs makes a complete kit that I just looked at last week for about $350.00

        you will need to purchase the dies for the calibers that you need plus various powders, brass, bullets and primers.

        primers are the tough part from what I am hearing.

    44. Satori says:

      alrighty then

      this explains everything

      http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-security-cache-bullets-190840538.html

      NOT….

      good grief
      they don’t even make an effort when they lie now

      • Paranoid says:

        Did I miss something: They said they ordered 1.6 Billion rds for training, and they use 15 Million per year. Yup, every one orders a 105 year supply?

        • Kevin2 says:

          You did your math correctly. It’s kinda funny that such numbers can be used without raising the concern of the public.

          Where do USA students score in international math scores? I know algebra can be a bit difficult but simple division with the aid of a 10 cent calculator should make 15 million into 1.6 billion understandable.

      • JustOneGuy says:

        @ Satori,

        OH I just LUV that…rest assured, there’s no dfster way to get in trouble than to get ‘cocky’. Once you’ve gotten to that point the outcome is almost ASSURED. T’anks Bro.

        JOG

      • Zoltanne says:

        And just to make sure the important tell-all from the AP article is posted here:

        “The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.”

        So each of us has a 5 round allotment. Hmmm…

    45. Eagle eye says:

      News radio yesterday in Australia, a new virus, symtoms pneumonia and liver failure, 11 cases and one human.human infection. Did not catch where.
      Anyone else heard anything?

      • I’m not sure if this is the same virus you are thinking of, but there have been some cases of a new, mutated, SARS-like virus in the UK. The British Govt is trying to keep it hushed up, but thus far, it has had a high rate of fatality.

        Link to follow.

      • After the Collapse says:

        this is man made … it is the same virus that was used tested on the people of Ukraine 3-4 years ago by the zog ameriKan cia and ameriKan big pharma based manufacturing in the Ukraine . it kills you by turning your own immune system against you .

      • Merree says:

        If you are talking about the virus that is currently getting media attention, it is a coronavirus, which puts it in the same family as SARS and the common cold.

        It was first noticed last September but didn’t get much attention because it only hit a few people from the Middle East. Now that there have been 3 cases in the UK, the press is starting to get excited.

        They originally thought that the virus only travelled between bats and humans. Then the family member of someone who brought the virus back from Qatar also fell ill. The family member already had a medical illness (not disclosed what kind) that made them susceptible to infection.

        The documented infections are:
        5 infections in Saudi Arabia with 3 deaths
        2 infections fron Jordan, both dead
        3 infections in Britain, 2 brought back from Qatar, no deaths
        1 infection in Germany also from Qatar who has survived
        So death rate is 5/11 = 45%

        Symptoms of illness includes fever, cough, pneumonia, and, mostly in those who died, kidney failure. Since it is a viral infection, antibiotics do not work on the illness. Patients just receive symptomatic care.

        The virus has been named “novel coronavirus” or NCoV”. Medical people checked Saudi populations for antibodies indicating extensive exposure and did not find any evidence that this infection is circulating at a low level in the population. However, sources also report an increased incidence of respiratory infections in the Middle East in the last three months. Of course, this also corresponds with the widespread influenza and cold season.

        I might add that, as a physician, this has been one of the worst respiratory and gastrointestinal infection seasons I’ve seen in a while. We still have at least four identifiable viral infections circulating in the community (influenza A and B, norovirus, and common cold) and they are still going strong after being out there for two to three months. Usually they burn out by now. There is also a mutated mycoplasma (walking pneumonia) that causes a lingering cough that does not respond to the usual antibiotics.

        It is a good time to fortify your immune system!

        • Eagle eye says:

          Thanks all.

          Interestingly in Northern Australia they have a virus transmitted from bats to humans via horses that is 100% fatal for any human that gets it.

        • Merree ~

          Can you tell us how this virus is being treated? And what do you suspect the difference in treatment is for the ones who have survived the disease vs the ones who died? Since the survivors are in different countries (European ones)than those who died, I’m guessing the standard treatment in those countries is different.

          And finally, where is the link from the pneumonia to the kidney failure?

          Thank you!

          Daisy

          • Merree says:

            Eagle Eye
            I think you are referring to Hendra virus in Australia. Actually it has a mortality rate of 50% in humans but there is evidence that it lingers in the body and can reactivate later. I’ll provide more info later- it is really impacting the horse industry.

            Daisy,
            An infection may settle in one specific part of the body, like the lungs. But the germs will actually be present throughout the entire body carried by the blood stream.

            There are two main ways that renal failure can occur. One is by overwhelming the kidneys as they try to filter out the organism. They simply get overwhelmed, can’t do their work, and shut down.

            The other is by a septic infection, either by the same organism or a secondary infection. Sepsis is a massive infection being rapid spread by the bloodstream. Essentially a Blitzkrieg attack on the body.

            I do believe that the difference in survival is due to the care the patients received in their various locations but this is total speculation on my part because I cannot find anything specific about their medical care.

            While Saudi Arabia has some excellent hospitals, it is very possible that the people did not seek care until they were extremely ill, leaving fewer options for care. It appears the European cases did get early care.

            The treatment would be observation, placing the patient on the ventilator if their lungs become too compromised and dialysis for renal failure. All high tech stuff that is brought out when people do poorly. Again, no details have come out about the medical course so I do not know if any of them needed such intensive care.

            I will try to get some info on the Ukraine black lung flu and Hendra virus but it will have to wait until after work. These diseases are fascinating and pertain to prepping, in my opinion. I would rate NCoV as having only a low to moderate chance of becoming a severe problem although it is worrisome that it can spread person to person.

            • Merree~

              Thank you very much for your answer! I hope you are able to find out more information. Now, in a SHTF scenario, without the fancy equipment, obviously the risk of death would be far higher. What would be your recommendations in such a situation? Do you think any of the general alternative viral treatments like elderberry, vitamin D, and Zinc would be helpful?

              Daisy

        • kaynine says:

          I would like to nominate you as the sites resident medical contributor. ?

          • Merree says:

            Thanks, kaynine,
            I’ve had a bit more spare time lately so I thought I’d try to add info more often than I had in the past.

            Daisy,
            In a society collapse, there are obviously going to be people dying in many ways that we would be able to save today. However, a lot of modern medicine involves saving people from their own stupidity.

            In a SHTF situation, people will either smarten up quickly or die. So the first medical skill is good plain common sense.

            The next thing is to keep as healthy as possible. It certainly can help to use vitamin D, zinc, and antioxidants like elderberry. (Many of the other berries are good too.)There are many illnesses that are serious but can be survived by a determined person in good health.

            For all the talk about young people dying from the flu pandemic a century ago, the mortality rates were directly correlated to age. Most young people in good health survived. A higher percentage of the elderly or already ill people died.

            The other high risk group was people working in health care. We are always at risk in disease situations. I would think that nurses and doctors would be less vulnerable now than in the past but I’ve seen people draw blood without gloves, walk into a quarantined room without a mask and other foolish things. If (when)there is another pandemic one of the best ways to survive will be to avoid crowds, wear a mask and use gloves, along with rigorous handwashing.

            I’ll add more comments on whatever thread is current since I think many people out there are intersted in some of the nasty weird diseases popping up around the world. I have some family stuff that I have to attend to tonight.

        • Coast to Coast AM radio show has reported several times that a lot of microbiologists have died over the last few years. The numbers are statistically off the chart…

    46. After the Collapse says:

      If Israel could do this to a young American Jew, imagine what Palestinians face http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiV9xn0RbI

    47. Patriot One says:

      These politicians are also making runs at State legislatures too. Colorado is looking to ban guns and magazines. MagPul may have to relocate. Masouri Democrats have a bill to confiscate all guns.

      Per rules for radicals they are overwhelming the legislative system with their radical anti America, anti Constitution bills from sea to shining sea.

      Americans need to know this isn’t the beginning; this is the end game. This started with the Federal Reserve, Social Security Act, School Prayer, Welfare, The gold Standard, Roe vs. Wade, the EPA, CRA, Gay rights, DADT, Bank deregulation, HUD, Obamacare the lynch pin and now they are coming for our Guns. 101 years of the destruction of America.

      This didn’t just happen over night, it was our indifference that let it happen. Most of the blame can fall on the Greatest generation and Baby Boomers. It will be up to us to restore America.

    48. Satori says:

      and the gun control nuts continue their assault
      on the Constitution state by state

      http://www.activistpost.com/2013/02/wash-state-bill-would-make-almost-all.html#more

      • Orwellian States says:

        Could you stick to the topic of “ammo” and save your Jew hatred for some skin head site. I don’t give a damn about your politics or religious beliefs. Thank you,dumb ass.

        • After the Collapse says:

          @Orwellian States ;0P … ” Muaaah ? a dumbass ? ” … you do realize ameriKa is controlled by ISREAHELL ZIONIST JEW MAFIA AIPAC SPLC ADL Lobbyists etc etc and they and their ameriKan jew zio-christian bribed corrupt traitor millionaire politicians in wash dc are directly the reason cause there is even a friggen AMMO SHORTAGE AND GUN CONTROL PUSH and so many cia mossad fbi atf terror false-fag attacks in ameriKa recently , all supported by corrupt congress and the nwo njo zog cia puppet prez !!!

          i’d say my postings are VERY RELEVANT AND SUPPORT MY VIEWS with direct evidence of ameriKa’s decline into red commie zionist fascist tyranny .

          bugger off dimtard before i spank you .

          AtF

    49. Ugly says:

      The problem is in America:

      Better Red than Dead (51% of folks)
      Better Dead than Red (49% of folks)

      We are divided down the middle. Wonder what the outcome will be?

      Does anyone know a Life Insurance agent that sells Term Life Policies for one month at a time. Not looking long term anymore. Plus, is there any drone insurance? Like mistaken ID, or accidental collateral damage. Will any of this be under the New Healthcare Plan?

    50. pale rider says:

      I have been up to see the Congress and they do not seem to be able to do anything except to eat peanuts and chew tobacco, while my army is starving.
      Robert E. Lee

      If everything isn’t black and white, I say, ‘Why the hell not?’
      John Wayne

    51. The outcome?….one half will wind up dead :(

    52. Smokey says:

      Local shops here are saying all their orders are six months out, for everything. One shop has a large warehouse crammed with ammo, he is bringing it out to keep the customers coming in, but he’s getting low. Gun cleaning supplies are getting low. Any brass in 9mm, .223, or .308 is gone and won’t be in for months. .45 ACP brass is low. Bullets are getting low, primers are low, pistol primers are gone, except Magnum and Match. .22LR is about gone. Lots of that Herter’s steel case .223 is still around, but who wants it?

      It’s going to be a dry spell for the rest of the spring, looks like.

      Get ahold of your basic combat load of 200 rounds rifle, 100 rounds pistol, and 200 rounds shotgun, then add enough training ammo.

      Save your brass, every bit of it. Do get 1000 primers, bullets, and two pounds of powder to give to a reloader. Make sure he has dies for what you need, if not, go buy them. Then call it good for a while.

    53. Satori says:

      gaining momentum…

      http://lewrockwell.com/spl5/gunmakers-boycott-antigun-govts.html

      “Among the manufacturers that have publicly announced their plans to prohibit sales to anti-Second Amendment authorities so far are LaRue Tactical, Olympic Arms, Extreme Firepower (EFI, LLC), and Barrett Firearms. All four firms, in solidarity with citizens in jurisdictions victimized by a lawless political class that refuses to uphold the Constitution, have expressed strong support for Americans’ unalienable rights. Gun rights activists nationwide rushed to celebrate the companies’ valor”

    54. howdy doody says:

      Now would be a good time for the NRA to give their man of the year award to O*Bumm*er, in honor of his unwavering help in increasing popular support for 2nd amendment rights. he is personally responsible for the increase in the millions, of new gun owners.
      Thank you O&Bumm%er. You are doing a great job increasing gun ownership in the US. keep it up.

    55. The shelves are bare in Virginia. It looks like a 3rd world grovery store in every dealer I visit. Walmart has a max purchase limit on ammo. It’s crazy here. People are lined up around the parking lot at gun shows.

      If this isn’t preparation for war, then it’s a preparation to make deer extinct in the North American hemisphere.

      • durango kidd says:

        JAG: EX Military in Virginia MUST organize into a political power. Do your part JAG.

        The day will come (eventually) when military leaders determined to protect the US Constitution will be arrested and shot if they resist. That is the plan of the NWO Global Communists.

        YOU must organize Patriots politically BEFORE that happens. Virginia, New York, Ohio,and PA must CONNECT and coordinate NOW. These States, as in time past,will bear the burden for the rest of US.

        Get busy. Engage.

        • DK,

          If those boys are going to bear the burden for the rest of the states then I see a road trip soon.

          DPS

          • durango kidd says:

            Lots of time right now, but eventually push will come to shove; especially if O’Bummer can get a majority in the house in 2014.

            I know most of you believe that financial collapse is immanent because things are so bad, but honestly, I believe the economy will begin to show a gradual improvement and turn up in the fall, so that the Dems can claim success in November 2014.

            If they can “legitimately control” government through the electoral process then they can claim (falsely) that Americans want to be disarmed. The propaganda is staggering and they will not let up, trying to sway the Sheeple by 2014.

            Missouri of all places has seen the introduction of a 90 day gun ban/confiscation law. The Globalists are ramping up everywhere to win a compromise for “registration”. Registration is the first step to universal confiscation.

            If they can get registration for a compromise, they will move boldly once they have control of Congress AND the White House, claiming its the will of the people through the people’s representatives.

            WE are all Seal Team America.

            The NY Chapter of Seal Team America has enough personnel and firepower to eliminate this threat to American Sovereignty, NOW.

            Do they have the BALLS?

            • DK,

              2014 really have you read all the news today alone? 4 states now saying turn them in or we are coming after them. Albany Rally on youtube Feb12th, come and take them, more drills in Texas city, FFL dealer raided by DHS, shall I go on.. I think they are getting their balls together.. Now it more like you we will do it and there is nothing you little people can do about it..

              NOMI CATIMF

              DPS

              • durango kidd says:

                I understand the gun grabbers will push as far as they think they can … and as far as any particular State will allow them.

                But the real goal now, is compromise for universal registration.

                Right now they have no idea where the guns are or who really has them. They cannot get gun control through Congress. At least not through this Congress.

                Time to organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote. And if required to “vote” do so as many times as possible. when the smoke clears the Globalists will have been eliminated.

                Washington’s Vision. Pass that word. It should be required reading for every HS grad.

        • Barterman says:

          same here in south carolina. empty.

    56. After the Collapse says:

      Those who Forget or Ignore the teachings of History … are Doomed to Repeat History again and again .

      AtC

    57. Hoboman says:

      Go to utube and watch where Dr, Ben Carson spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast where our leader was present. After that u may draw ur own conclusions. These idiots who promote the destruction of the 2nd amendment will soon find all other freedoms taken away. I was born free, why would anyone go back to slavery?

    58. Timothy says:

      “The embodied energy in just our existing property, plant, and equipment is enormous. Nearly every high-tech dream – of a kinder, gentler future where 9 billion people somehow enjoy higher average standards of living than the current 7 billion – requires an extraordinary investment of energy.

      Left out of this dream is a crisp articulation of exactly where that energy will come from and when we will begin to transition to prioritizing its use towards building and maintaining all of that new infrastructure. It’s not enough to merely buy electric cars, should they ever be manufactured in sufficient quantities, because we also need new grid components, electrical storage, generation, and a thousand other components to pull it off.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-13/real-reason-economy-broken-and-will-stay-way

    59. Law Abiding Citizen says:

      If you are prepping for war or a little civil unrest this is the great equalizer folks, you’re gonna love this tool. It will literally turn your semi automatic AR or AK into a full auto weapon. I purchased my slide fire this past summer and it works just like in the videos. You can spray about 800 rounds per minute and it’s 100% legal in all states. As a veteran I have fired full auto and I can attest to the fact that the slide fire is more accurate than the M16 on full automatic. Check out there video and get them while you still can; http://www.slidefire.com/

      • Paranoid says:

        Don’t want an auto, don’t wish to burn up 800 rds per min, let the other guy do that . He will be out of ammo in a few min. My Father was a weapons instructor during the 2ed WW. Said you can miss at any rate you want to. You hit with one round. Spent a lot of time rabbit hunting; the guy with the big auto shotgun misses. the guy with a single shot hits.

        • Law Abiding Citizen says:

          Paranoid, Yeah, that’s why our military has full auto, right? I like to have every tool available, you should of been instructed properly.

          • Paranoid says:

            During the Revolutionary War one shot in 29 hit, by Korea it was one in 53,000. By Nam it couldn’t have been that low or the entire population would have been hit. Only when the Gov is paying for the ammo can Automatics be useful. Even then, snipers do the real work. You shoot up a storm, when your 200-400 rd basic load is gone, I’ll come “See” you. Or as my dad once said: You give me 100 people who can and will aim and shoot with bolt action Springfield’s, and you take 100 guys with M-16 auto’s that blaze away; and at the end of the day I’ll have 90 odd guys with Springfield’s and a spare M-16.

      • I can attest that this is an awesome product. When the ammo shortage shortage began a couple of months ago, I sold the SlideFire at a premium, as I figured it was time to stop blowing through a 5000 round box of ammo every other weekend. Prices are too high even for 22lR, which is what what I had my SlideFire on (S&W MP22 AR). Tons of fun though.

        • durango kidd says:

          Patriots must be SEAL LIKE in target selection, identification, and execution. 1,000 precision shots by the NY chapter of STA could eliminate the NWO overnight.

          Breath. Relax. Aim. Slack. Squeeze.

    60. braveheart says:

      Sorry to be so late on this one. I’ve been looking for primarily .30 Carbine and .40 since December; no luck. I’ve got PLENTY of .22LR. I’ve only been to the range once since New Years Day. I’ve been practicing in my backyard with a .177 pellet pistol. There’s a war coming and I’m saving my rounds for that. The reason for all the panic buying since Sandy Hook is people getting armed for self-defense against federal and some state governments that have said they will go to war against the people. i’ve said this many times on here before and i’ll say it again. I’m standing up and fighting this evil government. ANYONE WHO FORCES THEIR WAY INTO MY HOME, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU’RE WEARING, YOU WILL DIE! I’m not surrendering ANYTHING! BI, stop apologizing for what you do here. I appreciate the info and have your back just like the others here. F#$% the trolls! NOMI CATIMF braveheart

    61. JoeinNC says:

      You idiots scream about liberty but seem hell bent on some kind of revolution/civil war. The last thing that will help you liberty is a civl war/revolution. If your side loses, you will be eliminated. If your side wins, you will be the eliminator and soon degenerate to petty infighting. Of course, I should expect this idiotic train of thought from such an ignorant group of people. You people are hell bent on killing and you do not seem to care who it is. Do the rest of sane people a favor, kill each other and your children so those stupid genes will be removed from the gene pool.

      • Butterknife says:

        Two things flow from the barrel of a gun. freedom and tyranny. choose which you would have.

      • yental says:

        Your not from around here are you “Joe”? We are not the ones “hell bent” on civil war…but this worthless gooberment and the “ONES” pulling THEIR strings are. Of course, you already know that. Are you still getting minimum wage to “wage an unsuccessful war” against sites like this one?

        Every “truth site” needs at least one clown. You are doing a fine job entertaining!

      • While your side uses deception and the ‘sweet words on the tongue that grow bitter in the belly’, eh Joe?

        You think you’re now able to use the politcally correct intimidation factor to scare us? No, your kind has done quite enough of a job on liberty, thank you very much. I can’t wait to see how you fare when the Dictator begins eliminating you useful idiots he no longer needs.

        No Joe, we have taken it and taken it, and stupidly, allowed you guys to have your way until you have taken over too many minds with your sweet bullshit… its soon to be time for a little salt in the wound. Salt is the only thing that cures a body, sweetness rots it.

        Yes, we argue among ourselves, its called Liberty, something the Hive Mind wouldn’t understand. Yes, things will get bad, yes we will have to kill you Joe, sorry about that. But, it sure beats you bastards killing us.

        History Joe;
        -Registration
        -Confiscation
        -Elimination

        NOT THIS TIME.
        NOT ONE MORE INCH.
        Molon Labe

        I will do you a favor Joe, since you’re in NC… I will make it swift and painless.

      • Be informed says:

        @ Jo(k)e(r) in NC. Do US all a favor and go check into a nut house where they can pump you full of dope so you think you are on another planet, so when you decide to go postal you will not hurt anyone with the nice straight jacket they will put on you.

      • Bastet says:

        Don’t feed the troll!

      • Ugly says:

        JoeNC….What you said is not true. Look at history in past 2,000 years. There have been hundreds of wars and the ‘stupid’ gene is still here alive and well. The ‘stupid’ gene is actually a ‘leach’ gene. This gene survives on others success and then steals it later.

      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        North Carolina lost its war with more people from her state dying than any other state in Dixie.

        Yet your stupid ancestors survived to pass on doubly stupid genes to you.

        Go figure!?

      • don't tread says:

        @ Joe

        If you actually are residing in the Tarheel, i think it would be a good move for you to make your new home in the “show me state”.

        Here’s part of the Democratic proposal in Missouri:

        4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

        (1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

        (2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

        (3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

        5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony

        Sounds like the kind of jackass libs over there that you can relate to.

      • Paranoid says:

        MY, MY: You do have problems don’t you? I’m not intent on harming anyone, to old. to fat, to lazy. Just don’t come to my door and inform me that I have just become your slave. Slaves work to hard, I’d have to disagree with you. Find me some Fava beans nice Chianti.

    62. anymice says:

      “This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.”

      I’d never anticipated prepping for a civil war, but I’ve adjusted properly in the last few months.

    63. braveheart says:

      JackassinNC, how the hell would you know what the outcome of this war will be? If you get on the wrong side of all these issues, it WILL COST YOU DEARLY, SO GO F#$% YOURSELF! Heads up, everyone: http;//offgridsurvival.com/californiatobanallsemiautomaticguns-confiscatefirearmsandlimitammosales/ Communist California; no surprises there! NOMI CATIMF Braveheart

      • It does appear kalifornia is now removing the semi auto capability from citizens hands…
        With the makeup of their legislature/governor, it is likely to pass. Whether it holds up in the supreme court or not is key.
        Didn’t the supreme court strike down DC’s and Chicago’s strident gun laws?
        In the mean time, I would say, this is the toe over the line, and Causus Belli.
        Maybe time to push back, real hard.

        • Piper,

          Maybe why they are also staging all the miltary equipment, read early this evening I-40 has had a butt load of trucks headed to Ca.

          DPS

          • There are still a bunch of good folks in the Kalifornia rural areas.
            The liberals mainly stay in their urban cages. Maybe its time for one great big fire storm…literally.
            I mean they do have those from time to time…
            it would be terrible thing if a few broke out around all the major cities… at once.

          • John W. says:

            Why would that be surprising when Fort Irwin Desert training center and 29 Palms Marine Corps are off the 40? Not to mention the huge depot in Barstow where most armor shipping from West Coast ports is sent from.

    64. Ahah.

      Watch the Black Caesar’s eyes.
      I just figured out his ‘Tell’. If you play poker you’ll know what that is.

      When he opens his eyes wider, he’s lying through his teeth.
      and he knows it. He gets a little more animated too.

      • yental says:

        Long-time Texas hold-em player and a constant observer of visual and auditory “tells”. “His” tell is that his lips are moving. I wish it were not that simple, but the simple fact is…”HE” has lied from the start and never stopped.

        And never will until WE stop him. The real problem is the “gang of 535″ that should have already impeached “him”. Of course, “THEIR TELL” is equally simple. THEY CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE TRAVESTY OF OBAMA TO SURVIVE UNCONTESTED. A few make statements or other overtures that “THEY” disagree, just not enough to lose THEIR job/life over.

        I know why. I think most here know why. When that “WHY” becomes an open and accepted topic of debate and discussion…perhaps a solution short of civil war may have a legitimate chance at ENDING THIS LUNACY!

        • Sorry yental.
          Most of the bs that comes out of his vomit hole he believes.
          He’s an idiot educated beyond his innate intelligence. But now I know when he’s really deliberately lying.
          He also thinks he’s good at it and nobody knows.

          They are all beholden to The Machine my man…
          so yes, they are mostly all liars. But they have been lying so long, they believe their own BS.

          The tree is thirsty…
          and it will soon need watering.
          III%

          • yental says:

            Well, let us hope, pray, and prepare to “water the tree with 99.9% tyrants blood vs. patriots.

          • MXLord327 says:

            PM – I have wondered that for a while, do these marxists really believe that what they spout is good for the country, or do they know that it is evil, but they do it to make sure they keep their power. Lately I have been thinking that they actually believe it.

            • MXLord327,
              It truly is a gray mixture of true believers and evil bastards. But they are all subservient to evil.

              Evil is Idiots who make decisions based on emotions…
              That is why the Controllers pull on heart strings to get their way, it is the way of world.
              Where do you think the term; Useful Idiots… comes from?

              The Left is an ideology of COVETING, and they use the tools of shame and envy to pull on everybodies heart. Those who are full of EMPATHY are most susceptible to this approach. “You’re GREEDY”, “its not FAIR”, “we need a BALANCED approach”, “its for the children”… sweet words, eh?

              These are the very definition of EVIL because, evil is defined as; ‘sweet words on the tongue, that grow bitter in the belly’. Evil coo’s and sings a song of envy, fear, empathy, greed, while they have dumbed down the education system and removed God from the curricula creating a generation of dumb God haters who worship gubmint. Even the true believers are evil because they believe in COVETING other peoples stuff, this is the real definer of TRUTH. They are also stupid and will believe any sweet words.

              We see the results of our own APATHY towards evil in these days, that many of us have screamed about for 30 years.

              When there is no justice in the land, there will be no peace. That works for both sides. They see us as greedy self centered people who hide our riches from their claws.

              They are thieves in nice clothes, some who are drinking koolaide, some are serving the koolaide. But the Koolaide comes in two flavors… red and blue. It is being poured by the money changers, this, is our clue to righteousness, the Lord’s example, his final battle with them, should become our true focus, the money changers.

              Nowadays, even the good guys have been corrupted. They ARE greedy, and have screwed the whole country. So both ideologies are men’s ideologies. The greed and immoral behavior of the CRONIE capitalists have soured the pot for us all. They are the ones who have systematically dismantled the industrial infrastructure and the job base. They are still pretending to be the good guys, if they were ‘good’, then the money would not be concentrated in NY and DC, it would not be drying up everywhere. This is the Grand Pump and Dump, that leaves the middle class penniless without lands or properties. As ole T.Jefferson said “… and they shall wake up homeless on the continent their forefathers conquered.”

              We’re almost there.

              The Trick, is to quit drinking koolaide, and withdraw from The System. But, to do that, the good guys who’re left need to first SEE the problem, and then band together. No man is an island, and no prepper in his right mind can stand up to what’s coming, alone.

              But preppers too, are divided along ideology and religious lines… we are the 10 toes of iron and clay, mind and emotions, on two legs of ideology, and toes of religious doctrines. This is the deeper meaning of the statue with the head of gold, and the reason, I think, that a spiritual evolution has been taking place. An evolution of Knowledge that overcomes old Mysteries. It is the mystery that has held people in apathy. Now that people see the evil within the churches, they see how they have been held in place, and there is no justice in the land, because we have all laid down on the altar of liberty, and taken a nap. Soothed to sleep by our preachers and politicians. They are not all ‘bad’, but the bad has gained power through the ‘sweet words’, eh? This is the power of MYSTERY, and the tools of fear and envy.

              So it is time to throw out both ideologies, and tear down the statue with the power in the rocks. The power of the Unified Field of God, that proves God is a hypercosmic force, that gives the agnostic and the Godly, a common bond, and a vision of a world without ideology, or doctrines of division, that keep us without justice.

              In this time, evil has become good, and good has become evil. This power, force, has taken over and people don’t even know what evil is anymore. This was the Truth of the Gnosis, that the churches destroyed in the beginning, and called it; Heretic. The Heretics were the philosophers and scientists of that time, and the church outlawed philosophy, and delivered men into a Dark age, while setting us back a thousand years.

              The Heretics had much that was destroyed, but was rediscovered a few decades ago, there were no ‘rule books’ in their philosophy called; The Gnosis, or personal knowledge of the divine. It was all about Knowledge. One of their tools was called; The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil… it was declared evil by the church…given by a snake. But this is a lie. It was the primary tool of the mechanisms of evil… to show the ‘dark emotions’ vs the ‘light emotions’. It is that simple, they had jealousy as the primary dark emotion.

              So the church killed The Knowledge of Good and Evil, and replaced it with ‘cheap grace’, while wiping out the teachings of the Lord. 95% of His teachings were burned, thus Paul and Jesus come into conflict in the divided Doctrines. Otherwise, explain to me how over a thousand years of ‘christianity’ has delivered such evil as ‘fruits’? Does God author division and confusion, or men?

              To know the way forward will mean knowing the ways of evil and good. Which means abandoning all that has gone before, especially the money changers and our love of money, that delivered the Root of all evil, competition for ‘short’ banker money.

              No, you will not hear any preachers teaching this Oldest of Songs, we must become better than our base dark natures, or we are destroyed by them. Love is the Way, but not The Key. The Key is the Knowledge, the New Gnosis, and the understanding of the Intelligent designers Universe. This can not be done in religions of mystery, or Godless science, but lies at the nexus, in God’s Science, the Unified Field of God that delivers the Knowledge of the Tree of the Elohim.

              May The Force be with you.

            • Doesn’t matter whether they believe it or not. It’s just time for it to stop. Inevitable, whether they self destruct, or they get pushed, still gonna happen. Sooner than later, methinks.

        • Walt Kowalski says:

          There’s one thing he didn’t lie about.

          He promised to “fundamentally transform the United States of America”.

          He is doing everything he can to accomplish that.

          He wants to transform it from a constitutional republic to a fascistic/socialist state.

          So far…he is succeeding.

    65. Ugly says:

      Maybe we should email our ‘elected?’ Liberal Officials about when they plan on sending in the Commies to wipe us out and destroy USA? If we send 1 million emails, maybe one of them will answer and let us know, via email and not dronemail no doubt.

      That way we will know. Sometimes the waiting is the hard part. Kind of like a girl you had crush on says she will call at 6:00PM and it is 7:30PM and still waiting. Or, you need a root canal at dentist and he has a patient and is 30 minutes late on you. Thus, the suffering continues.

      Waiting can be the hard part.

      I wish the Peace Maker would just be honest and let us know the real plans. What is really down-the-road, and when?

      I hate waiting!

    66. Glenn says:

      I bought a crossbow this week to add to my defensive arsenal. Stealth. Bolts are as expensive or more expensive then bullets. $70 for 6. Good thing they are retreivable. This SHIF issue needs to hurry up and happen. I am getting so tired of waiting.
      MOLON LABE!

    67. JoeinNC says:

      You people are too stupid to see what is going on. The gun and ammo is fomenting this discontent to fill their own coffers. They are selling their products to you and the people you have such a hard on to kill. Remember, just as you have a hard on to kill somebody else and their children, they have the same hard on to kill and your children.

    68. two2wisper says:

      Well I am glad I saw this coming.Can never have too much.Do not even want to shoot any without replacing what I shoot.

    69. Satori says:

      http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/08/how-much-freedom-can-one-man-stand.html

      How much freedom can one man stand?

      and you thought Kunstler could go on a good rant !!!

      “The nature and purpose of any government is to control behavior, either for good or ill. Social management of some sort is necessary for peace, order and the general welfare. As a society becomes more complex, governments necessarily exert increasing control until they eventually reach authoritarianism. I did not conclude this. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin did, except they called it tyranny. Same difference.”

      and there’s lots more where that came from…

    70. Smokey says:

      Here is the part I don’t get.

      Between one-third to one-half of the nations’ households have guns in them. The left is alienating, by design, between one-third and one-half of the population, 100% of it armed to the teeth, literally, with large stocks of ammunition and spares, nearly 100% of it patriotic, working taxpayers, and much of it with military experience.

      Now tell me what the left sees as a sucessful outcome to this activity. Short-term political gain cannot be the answer, no one, even the lefties, can be that stupid. But is sure looks that way, doesn’t it?

      • By provoking you into firing first, or gathering in groups with the stated aim to overthrow their dear leader…
        then, they get to kill you, and be the ‘good guys’.

        Don’t let them provoke you. Wait for the consensus…
        Which is coming rapidly, I have a feeling.

        You see how people got behind Dorner? And he was a murderer because he murdered innocents.

        If somebody, in our community, goes off on them, and targets them only, and has a RIGHTEOUS cause, he may get more support than he knows what to do with.

        So wait, for the righteous cause, it is called;
        Causus Belli

    71. After the Collapse says:

      ELITE Hoarding GOLD In Face Of Coming COLLAPSE & The End of The USD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gokI6bQQU

    72. braveheart says:

      PM, I might just get a pellet rifle also; thanks for the tip. JoeinNC is as full of shit as a sewage-treatment plant. NOMI CATIMF Braveheart

    73. END OF THE DOLLAR says:

      EVERYONE is preparing for the end of the fiat US dollar. Soon it will be worthless.
      The dollar has fallen 44% since 2000.

      This is a link to the Federal Reserve Monetary base.
      This graph looks exactly like what Weimar Germany and other countries did when they could not sustain themselves. Fiat currencies always default by devaluation.
      http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE

      The first part of the currency spike was from George W. Bush’s wars.
      Then the Obama years came.

      The federal government are planning for this.
      Obama passed the NDAA bill. That’s where they can lock you up forever without trial.
      When the dollar collapses…millions will not be ready. They will take so the streets. There they will be hauled off to a fema camp. With so many locked up…they cannot process everyone through the courts…that’s where the NDAA bill kicks in.

      Then there’s the drones…and the hollow point ammo to fight any civil wars that break out.

      WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN.
      The global bankers and the UN are socialists and tying to bring down America.
      Warren Buffet bought tons of rail stock. The fema camps will be the new cities…and the burbs will be reclaimed for farm and forest land. Think Detroit.

      Everything you type is monitored and they know who you are. What sites you go to and so on.

      I think you can live in peace and no fear…when shit goes down…just stay home!!!

      I recommend Beprepared.com…the super pails of dried goods.

      This weekend I’ll eat though my mres I bought in 2009.

      Go dried goods…they could spread this out for years…. Stop waiting for it.
      Prep up…then continue with life.

      Avoid all credit cards. Make sure your kids do not get hooked.

      Learn to live off of less.

      We make about about $160k between us…but live in a shitty double and rent the upstairs. My front yard is filled with our cars and that of our tenants. Few would consider breaking in…. too many armed souls at home all with NRA stickers on the cars.

      OK…so steak is too expensive…. Watch this.. I love this guy…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryQR4bTkNZM
      Redneck Filet minon..
      I made this and also made the real thing… this tasted better.

      For lunch…cup O soup and drink plenty of water and I take oat fiber pills…fills you up and also take many vitamins..add and apple and banana and I get by.

      The 1996 book: The Fourth Turning… said all this is going down.
      We are entering a winter season in history…decline.

      The boomers pissed their inherited wealth away on RVs while their kids had to live off of credit cards. Spare me any pro boomer talk… As soon as you all got in charge of the country…we’re near collapse. I’m enjoying watching time take care of you all.

      Keep a nice garden…and all will be well.
      Screw Disney trips… been there….
      Get used to saying No to your kids. They will adapt.

      Times will get tougher.

      Final thought…

      If you prepped up… you earned your peace of mind. No guilt.

      God bless you all.
      True Americans.

      ps. I can enjoy a nice meal on fried baloney just as well as steak.

    74. After the Collapse says:

      Obam.ass controllers have ordered him to gut the US military in order for the UN to send in its armies to occupy the US.

    75. “Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want there illusions destroyed”

    76. END OF THE DOLLAR says:

      HA…WE’RE ALL JUST BUYING AMERICAN!!!!

      Hey Obama…we’re all stimulating the economy too!

      I laugh that they are trying to disarm us…we as a country are buying up more weapons that ever.

      Sorry nazis bankers….

      I still think 3 generals of the Pentagon will get together and take over and restart the US.
      All the armed forces will follow them and not Barry.

      Barry has never run a lemonade stand or met payroll.

      In the 2.0 of the USA…

      No lawyers in Congress…
      All plumbers, elect. and carpenters.

      Fuck all you lawyers…you just gum up our lives.

      HERE’S A FUNNY ONE…
      I ran a service business for years.
      When I found out I had a lawyer…I used to tack on 30% as asshole take for clogging up our lives. One guy questioned me on it…why his bill was higher.
      I just smiled and said…. To pay my increased insurance rates from all the lawsuits on contractors.

      Once I had a raging flu and I gave it to the lawyer who sat next to me at a dinner party.. Later he gave me shit for getting him sick… I said… “SUE ME”. ha.

    77. GrayFoxGreen says:

      Greetings Everyone!
      Some very good info being passed around here on guns/ammo/supplies.
      I suspect that the heart of the matter is what the man elected to be prez is REALLY going to do.Forget what he says,It’s all meaningless drivel/mush.Having said that,I paid quite close attention his actions during his first term.I had little respect for either Bush OR Clinton(for different reasons)while they were in office.Our current boy is WAY out his element.His policies reflect it(not that “other idiots” are any better!).What good is it to raise the min. wage to $9.00 when THERE ARE NO JOBS?????
      Who can feed a family,get a house and set aside for their retirement on $9.00????
      While he and his minions fuss about “guns”,Rome burns in a latter day economic firestorm.TPTB don’t really need to “regulate” our guns,just let loose a version of the “flu-like” killer virus like in Britain and hide in their bunkers while the “die-off” happens(so they delude themselves).
      I put nothing past the current Washington apparatchiks to try to remain in control.
      However,I know that God has a sense of humor about man’s actions(esp. when they do things that are against his purposes).Guns are somewhat useful to protect yourself in times like these.Having a good WORKING knowledge(see 2ed Tim.3:16)of God’s word can pay continuous dividends no man’s ruler-ship despotic or not can tax,regulate or control.
      Best to All here,
      Hug your loved ones for me!
      LTR,
      GFG

    78. Handloader says:

      Ive seen some people on here asking about reloading ammo. Right now everything where I live everything is getting had to find. Most of the online dealers are also out of supplies with long backorder times.

      If you are not set up with a press or anything to reload with, your probley better off to save your money and wait and see if things ever get back to normal with supplies. Theres no reason to buy a press kit if you cant get dies and poweder, primers, ect.

      If things do settle down and you want to get into it, I would suggest buying a LEE press kit. They have everything a person neeeds to start minus the dies. I have a RCBS set up and it works fine, but it cost about twice as much. A good friend of mine uses a Lee press and has never had any problems with it. He has loaded 7mm rem mag on his. Alot of people think the lee stuff is cheap because it cost less and it is light weight. But it still does the job just as good. It does not take alot of force to size a case. Now if you plan on reloading a 338-378 or a 50 bmg thats a different story.

      If I was going to start out again I would go with a all LEE setup. I have a few of there dies and there just as good if not better than RCBS.

      The main thing that shys people away from reloading is the cost. You will spend $300-$400 on eveything up front before you make your first cartridge.The press kit, powder, primers, dies, brass (if you dont have any or dont want to shoot up what you have) all add up. Also more than one load data book is needed, and for rifle some type of case trimmer is a must. My first setup and old stand by is single stage, fine but it takes alot of time if you load alot. A turrent press would be better for handgun or alot of rifle ammo. A progressive press is kinda like a little ammo factory, but is not the best for someone starting out.

      If you are planing on only reloading in small amounts, the old LEE Loader cant be beat. Eveyone should look into one of these. If you are tight on space, or dont want to tie up alot of cash, these get the job done. Not for loading hundreds of 223 or 9mm at one time, but good to keep around for those long nights when you want to load a few rounds you used hunting the day before. An old Loader,bullets, a can of powder and primers in a dry box could be handy when the shtf. Reloading is not only a fun, saves a little money if you shoot alot, and is a good skill to learn.

      Only thing to keep in mind if you want to reload to only save money, the cost of supplies has went up so much the past few years, it does not save as much as it once did. Sometimes when I work up a new load or try some different bullets I have more in them than what factory ammo cost.

    79. don't tread says:

      News Alert:

      FAA moves to create 6 Test Zones for Drones

      “The FAA forecasts an estimated 10,000 civilian drones will be in use in the U.S. within five years.”

      Sorry, didn’t mean to piss on anyones Valentine’s Day party.

    80. pale rider says:

      WASHINGTON – America’s largest combat veterans group is worried the creation of a new medal for drone strikes and cyber-warfare could bestow higher honor on those using a joystick to kill terrorists than soldiers wounded on the battlefield.
      The Distinguished Warfare Medal, announced Wednesday, would rank higher than the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, which is given to servicemembers killed or wounded in battle. The new medal would rank immediately below the Distinguished Flying Cross.
      But to some, like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, creating a non-combat medal is turning into a major Pentagon misfire.
      “It’s a boneheaded decision,” VFW spokesman Joe Davis told FoxNews.com. “This is going to affect morale and it’s sending troops in the field a horrible message.”
      By Thursday afternoon, more than 800 responses had been posted on the VFW’s Facebook page. Many said the medal’s high ranking on the military medal hierarchy would hurt an already-bruised U.S. military morale.
      One dubbed the medal the “Geek Cross” and suggested that the country was close to handing video-gamers Purple Hearts for animated wounds.
      The Pentagon defended its decision and noted several medals rank above the newly created award.
      ‘It’s a boneheaded decision’
      - VFW spokesman Joe Davis
      “Those furthest from the fight/risk are not eligible for a higher award than those engaging the enemy and risking their lives each day,” Defense spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said. “There are several existing medals that may be awarded to members who incur risk associated with valorous acts (Medal of Honor, Service Crosses, Silver Stars).”
      On Wednesday, outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced the creation of the medal to recognize “extraordinary achievements that directly impact on combat operations, but do not involve acts of valor or physical risks that combat entails.”
      Panetta said the medal recognizes the reality that drones and cyber warfare “have changed the way wars are fought.” Under the Obama administration, drone strikes have become an integral part of America’s counterterrorism strategy.
      John Hamilton, the VFW’s commander-in-chief, said in a statement that his organization “fully concurs that those far from the fight are having an immediate impact on the battlefield in real-time,” but added that “medals that can only be earned in direct combat must mean more than medals awarded in the rear.”
      The organization says that at a time when the Defense Department is being hit with budget cuts and entire military towns are bracing for the effects of the upcoming sequester, announcing a new medal that honors members who aren’t fighting on the front lines sends a bad message.
      “It’s like, ‘Why am I slogging through the mud, dirt and sand when someone who can go home every night to their family gets recognized?’ Davis said. “The people in the Pentagon should ask themselves how this is going to play out. The government didn’t do this to the troops. The Pentagon did it to themselves.”

      • JustOneGuy says:

        @ PR,

        Caught that…have you ever heard of anything more disgusting than the notion that a bunch of people sitting safely behind a video screen in perfect safety NEED medal’s for killing people 6000 miles away. ASSWIPES, every LAST one. This is a SLAP in the face of every American who ever set foot on the field of combat. My disgust
        with this is….unspeakable. THIS is the character of the vile individual’s running things for now, People without any conception of Honor or Courage…NOT ‘Americans’ in my book.

        so sayeth JOG

    81. After the Collapse says:

      “I’ve got people who are bleeding from their behinds, who have sores all over their bodies” -Attorney for U.S. Navy sailors exposed to Fukushima radiation (AUDIO) http://enenews.com/ive-people-bleeding-behinds-sores-all-bodies-attorney-navy-sailors-exposed-fukushima-radiation

    82. braveheart says:

      Don’t Tread, the way things are going now, there’s no way we have 5 years left. This is the year of REAL SHTF. I feel it everyday. Things are really gaining momentum out there. Something may happen in the spring. Summer is possible, but i feel like it’s happening in the spring. An EMP or CME could come along and take out the grid before they can even build any more drones. My prepping has been in overdrive since Sandy Hook; don’t see any reason to slow it down. I hope everyone else is doing the same. NOMI CATIMF braveheart

      • Donna Jean says:

        Give it a rest Memphis hillbilly !

      • don't tread says:

        @
        Braveheart

        I agree. I guess because the writing has been on the wall for the past 15 years. I have been cautiously following signs from TPTB, to see how they line up with the prophetic signs. I would never be so idiotic to put an actual date on any event as shocking and surreal as something as big as antichrist showing up. However; to ignore the signs of the “season” would be in direct conflict with the direct order from our Messiah. He said, “Learn It”; not maybe, or if you can find the time.

        I know, as a grandpappy, it’s hard for most folks to watch their little ones play and laugh with out a care in the world on the one hand; but on the other, admit that chaos and evil will soon be the biggest threat to their happiness. The non-preppers will be so consumed with fear and worry about having enough to feed them, much less of how to protect them. Even some half assed preppers will fall into that category. “Well why would you say something like that about preppers, don’t tread?”

        Because; not all preppers are created equal. They have the mindset to see a collapse of some degree and turn some paper assets/investments into PMs and back-up food storage; but fail to even comprehend the possibility that they may/will need a way to “defend” those assets.
        Some are brainwashed into the liberal mindset and depend on gov for protection instead of God. Or maybe they are on the other end of the spectrum and are so wrapped up in their faith and religion that they think God will intervene on an individual basis and supernaturally, somehow provide security. Maybe He will…???? But I am of the mindset that He gave us a brain to “think” and use to prepare with. Not only for ourselves, but the innocent and elderly.

        Having said all that, I believe there is something to the coming “Blood Moons” and possibly the new Pope. I’m not ready to make a call for antichrist yet, but this is what I believe will transpire…

        Things will continue to escalate as they have been.
        As a government, led by crooked politicians that benefit from the “war machine”, we have been “war’d into broke and bankruptcy. As a blessed nation we have the natural resources and ingenuity to make anything and everything we could ever need right here in America. However; the “environmentalists” with backing from politicians, would rather see people starve to death looking out their front door at a wheat/corn field growing up in weeds, or a forest dying and falling in around itself because of a “spotted owl” or a rare “stink bug”. Don’t ever mind the fact that we have the oil reserves to put a “stop” to financing the evil terrorists regimes.

        God says, ok, you make your bed you lie in it. When He takes His hand off of us as a Nation, not individually; We – are – screwed. I don’t believe TPTB are ready for a total collapse of the dollar just yet. As long as they can continue to print $$, and keep the Chinese pacified, we keep stringing along until the big war begins. The body bags won’t be flowing off our cargo planes like they did with Vietnam. The scenes will be displayed over CNN and FOX and it won’t be our men and women. Mostly darker skinned peoples and mass graves.
        People around the world get so fed up with death and destruction, they will follow anyone that can bring peace and put an end to the visuals…

        Who comes riding in on a big cloud with a snow white stallion and surrounded by brillant colors of the rainbow? It’s our saviour. He will be everything to everybody and every religion. He is beautiful and awesome to the ignorant. To the wise, “he is an abomination”, the creator of the lie. Not the Creator of Life. Read it and weep. He is coming and “he” ain’t no flesh man, and he sure as hell ain’t my
        Saviour.

        Will it happen during the course of the Blood Moons of 2014 and 15? Possible. If a set of four Blood Moons with a Total Solar Eclipse falling in between is our sign/signal; the next set won’t happen until early 30′s.
        Can the world continue at it’s current pace that long?

        You decide.

    83. Liberty says:

      Ammo supplies aren’t getting better with Homeland Security buying up all of it either.

      Maybe it is time to get in the ammo making business ourselves :)

      • …speaking of which. I’ve not been on much lately.

        Casting bullets. Loading freshly tumbled 38s and 357s.

        Want some shocking cost statistics? Here they are.

        Primer: 4c
        Powder: 2c
        Case : .4c (4c each but reloadable at least 10 times)
        Total : 6.4c

        Bullets might cost me a penny or two. But, its almost negligible.

        Load: 5g of Trail Boss behind a 158g Keith bullet (1:20 alloy).

        Its not a super hot load, but, it is a super accurate load.

        I’ve got a couple thousand loaded. I think its time to switch to 44 Magnum for a while.

        • Semper Fi y'all says:

          I’m with you, Net Ranger. I get about 1,500 loads from a pound of Bullseye in my .45 ACP. The brass for the .45 is hard to wear out, just like in most straight sided cases (.44, .38, etc. I cast all bullets for my pistols.

          Semper Fi

    84. TurtleMama says:

      I’ve been looking for 9mm ammo in my location for about two months now…there was NOTHING until today, I called a local small gun shop. They had gotten some in and were willing to hold it for me for thirty minutes so I could drive there to purchase it. I counted myself blessed to be able to get 300 rounds. Over here in the desert, ammo of any caliber is getting hard to come by. My advice is to buy it when you can find it!

    85. NMBC says:

      THIS IS A SOCIETY PREPARING FOR CONTINUED EXISTENCE. :)

      Yup, they have prepared for this a long time ago:
      “THE GRAND CHESSBOARD TAKES NO PRISONER.” :(

      Steve Quayle “This is a Society Preparing For War”. Really!! Sorry, we’re not barbarians.

      We, the sheeple, I mean the people — just started waking up !!

      As much as the sheeple try to avoid, but once they start shooting, you know the rest of the story.

    86. Los Angeles residents are reportedly on edge today following reports that hundreds of armed and extremely dangerous Los Angeles Police Department officers are resuming regular patrolling duties after the conclusion of Tuesday’s manhunt for rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner.

      “I mean, just knowing they’re out there is terrifying—how can I feel safe when these maniacs are on the loose in my neighborhood?” said a visibly rattled Ashley Stillson, 38, who explained that she strictly observed the city’s advisory to avoid the historically violent, unpredictable predators by going out in groups and avoiding the streets entirely after nightfall.

      “These guys are volatile and, in many cases, mentally unstable. Something needs to be done about them because I fear for my family knowing these sick people are still at large.”

      At press time, sources reported the tense mood in L.A. had brightened considerably after news of a serial rapist diverted numerous LAPD officers to a sprawling manhunt in nearby San Bernardino.

        • BJ, I’m just the “paperboy” for this fine article going viral. Seems like Mr. Dormer, whether one approves of his “mission” or not, has exposed the monster demon possessing “our courageous men in blue”, there to “serve and protect”, i.e. the LAPD (and many of the other departments across the nation), of a common, contagious disease infecting the very heart of a once, great Constitutional Nation. The “old guard, those fine officers who stood by the Constitution, are being fazed out and replaced by skin head, steroid/alcohol/ Rx (and non-prescribed) consuming Fascists, whose occupation it is of feeding on the spreading of fear and entropy where ever their heartless desires so choose. Organized gang members with highly sophisticated technology at their fingertips for destroying the lives of innocent, law abiding citizens.

          I used to think I was collecting my small arsenal of weapons for the so called “zombies”, those “living dead” foaming at the mouth and coming to eat my food and me, so to speak. Now I realize these quality crafted tools are to take out the real scum that has taken over this countries highways and cities. It’s going to be a real interesting Event when the piglets go squealing, as the millions of “Dormers” final wake up and expose who and what these bulies really are.

    87. EA

      Thats just wrong , protect and serve my ass. And with the newest gun laws it will get alotttt worse. Its just a matter of time before somebody opens up on LAPD.

      DPS

    88. After the Collapse says:

      The Department of Homeland Security doesn’t believe in the Fourth Amendment and has recently issued statements to that affect. They are claiming that if you live within 100 miles of the international border that they have the right to search all electronic devices, including cell phones and laptop and tablet computers without probable cause or first securing a warrant. The 100 mile distance is being referred to as the border security search zones.

      This would include cities such as San Diego, Escondido, El Centro, Yuma, Tucson, Las Cruces, Carlsbad, El Paso, Brownsville, Seattle, Grand Forks, Toledo, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Montpelier to name just a few.

      • America_the_Beautiful says:

        Tell that to Tennessee. I read they ahve one city with average of 50x faster Internet than anywhere else. Somesuch thing. They were basically saying they have built the city for nerds. Innovation ain’t dead everywhere. Apparently high techs who do network intensive stuff are locating there because the cost per whatever are cheaper.
        - How does this relate to preparing for war? Got me. Other than many companies and governments are already fighting battles with Internet crime syndicates and China is known to harbor Internet criminals who attack USA government systems. Arguably, China has already declared something like a technology war on the USA by this and by creating unfair competition in China for USA businesses such as Google.

        • eppe says:

          Fiber to the home or FTTH, in Chattanooga, they ran fiber to the electrical meters, so they could read your meter from the home Network Operating Center or NOC. (No truck rolls). Then they offer phone, tv, and internet. I know, I designed some of it, and the speed is scaleable, meaning if you use alot of bandwidth, you pay more. They are doing it in many other places, like rural Kentucky, running fiber to all structures, so they can get fiber to the OUTHOUSE…
          Been designing fiber for 20 years, Kansas City is being employed by Google as thier first city to “win” the contest…

    89. Meteorite hits central Russia, more than 500 people hurt

      21 min ago

      CHELYABINSK, Russia (Reuters) – More than 500 people were injured when a meteorite shot across the sky and exploded over central Russia on Friday, sending fireballs crashing to Earth, shattering windows and damaging buildings.

      People heading to work in Chelyabinsk heard what sounded like an explosion, saw a bright light and then felt a shockwave according to a Reuters correspondent in the industrial city 1,500 km (950 miles) east of Moscow.

      A fireball blazed across the horizon, leaving a long white trail in its wake which could be seen as far as 200 km (125 miles) away in Yekaterinburg. Car alarms went off, windows shattered and mobile phone networks were interrupted.

    90. Matthew says:

      The country is not preparing for war.

      • Kevin2 says:

        I agree. Americans are just being Americans. Tell us we can’t have something that we can get now and we want it. Stores use that method advertisement all the time.

        • The LEFT IS preparing for takeover…
          You may spout all that ‘normalcy bias’ stuff you want, but your feet are stuck in it up to your necks.
          How do I know?
          My nephew… the Obamabot. He HATES US, with a passion. He hates Christians and Capitalists.
          He let it slip that he was going to ‘meetings’. They are not organizing for collapse, they are organizing for takeover. They plan to ‘take’ the townhalls, the radio and tv stations, power plants, etc. In a typical Marxist pusch, when it all goes bad. This gives them all the paperwork for CCP’s, permits, etc. They’ll know who you are. Do not think, they don’t have guns, they do, and I think they’re getting help from above. All I know, is my nephew couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.

          I heard this from other sources…
          While we, buy guns and butter, and prepare to fight or hide, they organize in groups more or less openly. If my nephew is any indication, they are not organizing the vote.

          Does JoeinNC give you any clues?

          • NeoIsolationist says:

            PM, please get this information to your trusted friends, patriot groups like Oathkeepers, and your Sheriff’s office if you trust them. This is big. I quoted your email, provide the url, and am passing it to everyone on my ‘liberty group’ mailing list.

            To all readers, I recommend you do the same. This is going to be very bad.

            • This information is out there… but, as everything else, it is taken with a grain of salt and a shrug. We cannot see the signs of the times, and only the wise ‘trim their wicks, fill their lamps, and prepare to hide’.

              I don’t like to talk about the dark forces. But my nephew is a demon possessed monster.
              I saw the demon when I tried to talk to him about Jesus and that leftism was the wrong path…
              He blew up… his eyes went into pure madness… he was ranting and raving and cursing God, blowing spit out everywhere.
              As soon as I mentioned the name of Jesus, it was instantaneous, reminded me of a movie…

              I told him to leave my home with that crap. Then he stole from me(a gold coin and my tent and sleeping bag.) I had trained him to shoot, as he deceived me, pretending to be a new prepper. He was, the bad kind. His ‘plan’ he told me originally, was to form up a ‘bandit posse’, and take YOUR preps. He didn’t see any need to prepare when you all were preparing ‘for him’. All he needed to learn how to do, was learn how to shoot. I didn’t tell him that there was more to it than that, like tactical and strategic skills… f* him.

              Know who you’re dealing with. The dark ones are real and they are organizing for collapse, the old fashioned way. We talk about a ‘right wing’ revolution, but none of us can decide what the ‘Causus Belli’ is, we are divided and like a herd of cats. We refuse to organize except lightly, as in Tea party and political crap. While they organize for war and revolution in a leftist takeover.

              If they are organized, and have a sanction from the black Caesar, then they will win the short game. Period. It is pretty much prophesied and cast in stone.

              But we have no ideological or religious glue because we are divided by those we consider ‘leaders’. We are individuals, and that is our greatest strength, and our Achilles heel. We are Dagney Taggert’s in a real life novel, and the question must come;

              WHERE is John Galt.

      • Im not, I just would like to be left alone, and continue with my hobbies and life without being F-ed with constantly.

        now in order to shoot you have to be self sufficiant to be able to do so, really puts a bite on a hobby, and if you are to be self sufficiant you will have to stockpile, and in their eyes thats becoming a threat

      • America_the_Beautiful says:

        Some people seem to be for sure! Clearly the gobble is either preparing for war or a totalitarian regime. Or are you, Matthew, claiming the drones and the massive arming of non-military departments are both for non-military and constitutionally legal reasons? I think most people think it will be Totalitarianism since that is their general direction. The fact the EO has been used to pass [non-legal] “laws” when the legislative branch refuses to pass them clearly shows a totalitarian regime is growing. Of course dissolving the USA by signing a contract for which the former had not the legal right was equally as scary. Not so much merging Canada, USA, and Mexico would be scary as having exexs who operate outside of the law.

      • Eisenkreuz says:

        The feds are out of control. They need their asses kicked.

      • Paranoid says:

        In some ways you are correct, I’m not going to war. I’m an old dog and I like setting in the sun. But if war comes to me; like an old dog I still remember how to bite, and I have little left to lose.

    91. Zoltanne says:

      “Words Don’t Matter, Actions Do”, an article on how to block Federal gun control legislation, written by Founder Michael Boldin of the 10th Amendment Center:

      http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/02/13/words-dont-matter-actions-do/

      Also, there are 15 states involved in the 2nd Amendment Preservation Acts. Map is here:
      http://tracking.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2ndamendment/

    92. frank Mc Hurdok says:

      A NEW BENEDICT ARNOLD is now defacing the Constitutional order of liberty in American life and her name is Diane Feinstein.

      With her devilish mission to strip the Goys of their guns—(she wants MORE than just “assault weapons” BANNED)—Dianne Feinstein has to be the MOST HATED woman in America today. And she just happens to be a Jew.

      But does it really matter that Feinstein is a Jew?” Yes it does.

      First of all, American Jewry is getting very nervous that a JEW is leading the attack on America’s most cherished possession affirmed by the Second Amendment, the right of personal sovereignty.

      One Jewish group in particular, Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, fears a backlash against American Jewry owing to the anti-gun lobbying of several national Jewish organizations.

      Rabbi Aaron Zelman, founder of JPFO, puts it this way:

      “By working to destroy the Bill of Rights, Jewish Groups are fanning the flames of anti-Semitism.

      “A lot of Americans resent these people who trample on our fundamental rights.” View Entire Story Here.

      But what is even more likely to “fan the flames” of anti-Semitism is due to the high number of HIGH PROFILE JEWS now at the forefront of trampling on the Second Amendment.

      Abe Foxman’s mission to prevent a backlash against Jews is bound to fail when JEWISH NAMES like Feinstein, Blumenthal, Cardin, Wasserman-Shultz, Schumer, Israel, Boxer, Lautenberg, Bloomberg, are LEADING THE CHARGE to STRIP Americans of their guns.

      It’s really a matter of personal ownership—(which underlies the right to bear arms in order to defend oneself and family)—that is at stake here.

      And Dianne Feinstein, a Jew, is hell-bent on seizing ownership of every American citizen’s particular and personal individual body.

      • durango kidd says:

        ALL of the major political gun grabbers are JEWS. What are WE suppose to think? The JEWS need to “police” their own, and eliminate this threat to American Sovereignty.

        The JEWISH gun rights groups need to take executive action. Just saying, the JEWS have benefited from American protection and subsidies.

        If JEWISH gun rights groups want the support of the rank and file American, they need to earn that support and DEMONSTRATE where their loyalty lies ….. now.

        If not YOU, who? If not now, when?

    93. Norse Prepper says:

      Let’s get together as a community and start weeding out the trolls on this site. Particularly Finx and Joker in NC.

      I propose if they post anything regardless of what it is, everyone just hit the red button. NOBODY RESPOND to their remarks. Given the outlandish things they say, they are only here to post something rediculous and get the forum off track.

      If Finx and Joker in NC post anything, just RED THUMB AND MOVE ON.

      Eventually they will realize it is futile to post here and we can eliminate 50 comments per article telling them how stupid they are.

      • Ive ignored them, and dont even read thier drivel or thumb them in any direction,, i treat them as the brat i have stuck in the corner for being a disruption to the rest of the class,, forever

    94. Eisenkreuz says:

      http://offgridsurvival.com/guncompanies-boycottnewyork/

      BOYCOTT LAW ENFORCEMENT

      NO MORE DONATIONS

      WRITE TO ALL ARMORERS DEMANDING THEY NOT SELL ANYTHING TO THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE

    95. After the Collapse says:

      Skyfall: Hundreds injured as meteorite wreaks havoc in Russia’s Urals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOPjfrkLslI

    96. Satori says:

      while the left and right fight
      guess who wins ?

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/14/while-left-and-right-fight-power-wins-paul-craig-roberts/

      “My experience with the American left and right leads to the conclusion that the left sees private power as the source of oppression and government as the countervailing and rectifying power, while the right sees government as the source of oppression and a free and unregulated private sector as the countervailing and rectifying power. Both are concerned with restraining the power to oppress, but they take opposite positions on the source of the oppressive power and remedy.

      The right is correct that government power is the problem, and the left is correct that private power is the problem. Therefore, whether power is located within the government or private sectors cannot reduce, constrain, or minimize power.

      How does the progressive Obama Regime differ from the tax-cut, deregulation Bush/Cheney Regime? Both are complicit in the maximization of executive branch power and in the minimization of citizens’ civil liberties and, thus, of the people’s power. Did the progressive Obama reverse the right-wing Bush’s destruction of habeas corpus and due process? No. Obama further minimized the people’s power. Bush could throw us in prison for life without proof of cause. Obama can execute us without proof of cause. They do this in the name of protecting us from terrorism, but not from their terrorism.

      Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.”

    97. GrandpaSpeaks says:

      Freedom lost. An illusion now like the ghost image of the towers right after they fell. There are many bird cages in the aviary all with their own little birds. In the eagle cage there is great confusion leading to unrest. For the zookeepers hand raised vulture central bank hatched in 1913 has administered its proven anesthetic security saliva since 2001 to all the little birds in the eagle cage because they want the wealth of the eagle cage. Since 1963, the true eagle chief had been replaced with a raven with glued on eagle feathers imitating a true eagle leader but beholden to the vultures. The current raven hastens the agenda of the zookeeper but glues his eagle feathers on clumsily for the ravens have shredded the ancient eagle documents that are the only true binding agent for eagle feathers. Even though the vultures’ specialty is little birds over half cheer as the false eagle is chosen yet again to empower the vultures. The embolden raven then adds baby bird safety to the anesthetic security saliva and initiates his plan before the sleepy little birds awake. He wants all the little birds sharp little eagle beaks. He fears the many pecks and if they awaken the true eagles, that together, may drive the raven off before the vultures are finished their eagle meal. But in the Asian cage the red crowned crane stand on the shoulder of a bear and they both stand on a pile of gold to better see all the little birds in the eagle cage with their sharp little eagle beaks and they fear the many little pecks. It holds them back now that they are fatter and as strong as any picked out eagle carcass. Such is the way with birds, zookeepers and the aviary. If little birds ever make wing, they must remember the raven and the vultures always fly back secretly to the zookeeper. His messenger will be in the Chantilly Virginia portion of the cage again in 2013 giving the enabling vultures their zookeeper instructions. So fly little birds, on golden wings to this start of the path back to freedom. But remember, the zookeeper backs both sides in all bird conflicts, and now wraps himself in golden stars not white ones. This makes it imperative to resist a zookeeper induced bird fight before properly making the zookeepers accountable, especially, with a bear in the aviary. The vultures will turn on themselves after the zookeeper clan is exposed.

    98. Zoltanne says:

      War Preps?

      Police Chief Wants Citizens As ‘Reserve Force’ To Defend Against Feds

      In Pennsylvania, Chief of Police Mark Kessler
      ALERT! Anyone interested in joining a reserve force with the Gilberton Borough Police Department ,contact Chief Kessler immediately for details! Due to our Country’s current situation I’m compelled to form an auxiliary force, DHS ( Department of Home Land Security ) is stock piling ammunition , Stock Piling Machine guns at a alarming rate! I believe we have no choice for what MAY OR MAY NOT happen shortly!, Ask yourself this one question, can you walk into any sporting good store and purchase 22LR, 9mm, 45ACP , 40 caliber,, 5.56/223 , 7.62×51 or 308 ammunition in quantity’s more then a box or two ? (OR ANY AT ALL) if you answer No, ask yourself why ???? I’ll tell you why because the GOVERNMENT is STOCKPILING BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition! (for what ????) even the police can’t get ammo ! DHS has enough weapons and ammo to wage a 30 year GROUND war, ( BUT ON WHO and WHY ) what is wrong with this picture???, Maybe the tyrants want to take as much ammo off the civilian market AS POSSIBLE! either way it’s very disturbing! I urge you to contact Chief Kessler for information on joining the Axillary force ASAP 570-874-4790 or gpolice@ptd.net

      (Link to follow)

    99. Zoltanne says:

      Prepping for War?

      Police Chief Wants Citizens As ‘Reserve Force’ To Defend Against Feds

      In Pennsylvania, Chief of Police Mark Kessler
      ALERT! Anyone interested in joining a reserve force with the Gilberton Borough Police Department ,contact Chief Kessler immediately for details! Due to our Country’s current situation I’m compelled to form an auxiliary force, DHS ( Department of Home Land Security ) is stock piling ammunition , Stock Piling Machine guns at a alarming rate! I believe we have no choice for what MAY OR MAY NOT happen shortly!, Ask yourself this one question, can you walk into any sporting good store and purchase 22LR, 9mm, 45ACP , 40 caliber,, 5.56/223 , 7.62×51 or 308 ammunition in quantity’s more then a box or two ? (OR ANY AT ALL) if you answer No, ask yourself why ???? I’ll tell you why because the GOVERNMENT is STOCKPILING BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition! (for what ????) even the police can’t get ammo ! DHS has enough weapons and ammo to wage a 30 year GROUND war, ( BUT ON WHO and WHY ) what is wrong with this picture???, Maybe the tyrants want to take as much ammo off the civilian market AS POSSIBLE! either way it’s very disturbing! I urge you to contact Chief Kessler for information on joining the Axillary force ASAP 570-874-4790

    100. Zoltanne says:

      Police Chief Wants Citizens As ‘Reserve Force’ To Defend Against Feds

      http://www.chiefkessler.com/

    101. Arden says:

      I’m glad so many people are expressing their right to own and bear arms, but this is hurting me in the end, I can now no longer find the firearms I am looking for, and when I do, I discover that my income after bills does not allow me to afford that which I want and when I can afford it, someone else has gotten it.

      Wouldn’t it be nice if some of the people stockpiling these weapons would sell some of them to others of us that are looking to buy them as well? I mean, think about it… that pile of rifles you have there, how handy are they going to be in a fire fight when you can realisticly only fire one at a time?

      • Eisenkreuz says:

        Too bad. You should have been prepped. Learn from this so youre not the only one without food in shtf.

      • Hilikus311 says:

        i was thinking the same thing friend, wish some of these people who have more than they need as far as rifles or handguns go, would sell them (none overpriced) so those that are just trying to get one or two. I am trying to get three total one for me and my brother and my dad. now of course i cant buy them all at once but one this month and another next and so on. luckily i’ve been stockpiling ammo

      • wrong, I can fire two arms at a time, and each one of my family has two hands also..and Hey I do have friends,, sorry bout yer luck there.

        so your wrong on the fact that i can only fire one at a time..mine will be so dam hot after this is over i’ll be able to cook stu on them.

        and hey, I see plenty of used guns every day for sale and very faily priced too I might add.

        its only up to you what you make a priority
        I see hand guns in the mid 300$ range, all day, and some below that..shot guns and rifles below 400$

      • Smokey says:

        Arden, just go get a Mosin-Nagant rifle or two, and some surplus ammo. Two of them and a case of cartridges will set you back less than $500. You can get a good pistol or revolver for $400 in a lot of shops. A Mossberg shotgun is $400 or less.

        I’d like to find the stuff I want to buy, too, but if it’s not for sale, gotta go to Plan B.

        You need two long guns for every adult in your household, at least one handgun, and one shotgun. A .22 is an extra if you have small game around, but not necessary for now.

        You need a 200 round combat load for each rifle, 200 for the pistol, 250 for the shotgun, and some training ammo for each. For the .22, get two bricks of 500, don’t shoot any of it, get proficient on the bigger stuff.

      • Paranoid says:

        Relax; I and a lot of others are either to old or have way to much stuff; If the time comes, come to my door I’ll be giving presents to all, of all they can carry.

    102. braveheart says:

      Don’t Tread, everything you said in #1148490 is spot on. I never try predicting dates, just a general time frame.

      • SC_Government_Commies says:

        And I was thinking about a bug out location in South Carolina. Not any more!!! What a bunch of commies. Its really bad when the SC State Attorney General takes a position statement that his state government is not bound to the Constitution of the United States of America. What does Alan nutcase think binds the legal system together? Cocktail parties, inter-departmental memos, and winks and nods?

    103. Y'all Beware! says:

      Look at it this way; when Guns And Ammo Production Maxed Out, another way to fight without firing a shot was written by Andy Rooney a couple of years ago.
      Andy Rooney wrote: “Pray if you want to!

      I don’t believe in Santa Claus, but I’m not going to sue
      somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I don’t agree with Darwin, but I didn’t go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his Theory of Evolution.

      Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be
      endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what’s the big deal? It’s not like somebody is up there reading the entire Book of Acts. They’re just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game.

      But it’s a Christian prayer, some will argue.

      Yes, and this is the United States of America and Canada,
      a country founded on Christian principles. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect — somebody chanting Hare Krishna?

      If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I
      would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.

      If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would
      expect to hear a Muslim prayer.

      If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would expect
      to hear someone pray to Buddha.

      And I wouldn’t be offended.
      It wouldn’t bother me one bit.

      When in Rome …..

      But what about the atheists? Is another argument.

      What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptized.
      We’re not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that’s asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer!

      Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two
      will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don’t think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world’s foundations.

      Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying.

      God, help us. And if that last sentence offends you,
      well, just sue me.

      The silent majority has been silent too long. It’s time
      we tell that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard that the vast majority doesn’t care what they want. It is time that the majority rules! It’s time we tell them, “You don’t have to pray; you don’t have to say the Pledge of Allegiance; you don’t have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right; but by golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away. We are
      fighting back, and we WILL WIN!”

      God bless us one and all…Especially those who denounce Him, God bless America and Canada, despite all our faults We are still the greatest nations of all. God bless our service men who are fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God.

      Let’s make 2010 the year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as the foundation of our families and institutions. And our military forces come home from all the wars.

      Keep looking up.”

      Y’all Beware! God bless you one and all. And remember, keep smiling’ as you spread the Word.

    104. After the Collapse says:

      LAPD High Crimes – Rupert ‘I Believe Dorner 100%’ Michael Ruppert is a former LAPD cop. He knows its dark side well. He witnessed it firsthand. Its rap sheet includes corruption, abuse of power, complicity with CIA drugs trafficking, unjustified arrests, beatings, murder, perjury, witness tampering, evidence planting, frame-ups, coverups, racism, sadism, and other crimes. http://rense.com/general95/lapd-high-crimes.html

    105. Y'all Beware! says:

      We The People Stimulus Package:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

      Y’all Beware! Some good ideas here.

    106. Eisenkreuz says:

      CALL GUN MANUFACTURERS AND DEMAND THEY NOT SELL ANYTHING TO THE GOVERNMENT.

    107. Eisenkreuz says:

      Sleeping bag for 2.

      Its my “hug-out bag”.

    108. Be informed says:

      Anyone that would like to calculate different meteorite impacts that might hit the planet: http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/

      The meteorite that exploded above Russia was probably about 10 feet big and likely dense rock. Had it been iron a lot more destruction would have happened. I was thinking that someday the planet could pass through a field of these smaller rocks and have a planetary shower of these bolide type explosions. Could happen.

    109. After the Collapse says:

      “During times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell

    110. After the Collapse says:

      Welcome to the New Jew Order AmeriKa , your nightmares have only just begun …

      ” We , the Jewish People control AmeriKa , And the AmeriKan’s know it !”

      ~ Ariel Sharon Oct 2001

      http://www.citizensamericaparty.org/sharon&America.jpg

    111. wnc mountainboy says:

      YEEEE-HAAAAAA!!!!!

      Walked into a local pawn shop today and picked up 120 rnds of British production 7.62 NATO…headstamp RG, stands for Rayney Green Royal Ordinance and dated 1993. Should be good stuff, cost me .70 per round though.

    112. Smokey says:

      That British 7.62 NATO is good stuff. I got two 300-round tins of that in 1995, shot one up, kept the other. Would like to see the $30 price again, too!

      Just back from town, local Walmart got some ammo in last night, and it was about gone at midnight, just after stocking it up. Clerk said folks line up at midnight to buy it. Still the 3-box limit, got some Remington .308. The .40 caliber was all gone, told another guy to try the local gun store up the road, he’s got some. The next big box sporting goods place just restocked bullets, brass, and primers, but the primers disappeared in a day and a half. I snagged the last box of Large Pistol, all that was left was Magnum Rifle. They sold 25,000 pistol primers in 12 retail hours. The .45ACP was in stock, but 9mm is again low. No .223 or .308 at all, this is in a store with over 350 lineal feet of shelved centerfire ammo, not including shotgun or rimfire. Yesterday, Cabela’s here was about the same condition. Did snag the last box of 7.5mm Swiss, though, been looking for that since I bought a K31 last month. Powder is still not restocking around here.

      I can get all the .416 Rigby and .22-250 I want, but nothing in 9mm, .223, and damn near no .45ACP or .308. No 8mm, a little .303 British, no 7.62×54, 7.62×39, or any other ComBloc caliber, of any origin, incountry or out. Online retailers have some, but the stores don’t seem to have it at all.

    113. NMBC says:

      Mass media outlets, propagandists and trolls have been telling you “THE END OF THE INTERNET AS WE KNOW IT.”

      The so-called “Meteor” which was done this morning has caused more questions than it has given answers. Putin may never know.

      NASA immediately confirmed it was a meteor, and the media outlets and trolls automatically spread the disaster as a NATURAL DISASTER.

      _________________

      If you don’t think bankers have placed their agents in very high positions around the world, you must be very naïve.

      Conquering the world through currency (devaluation & inflation), finance, Wallstreet and wars, revolutions and civil wars has been done over a century.

      Once they put puppets or their own members in charge of your governments, and the rest is they’re just following the orders to form a ONE WORLD government.

      • NMBC says:

        In fact, around 1963 the U.S. tested an EMP bomb (nuclear bomb), IT KNOCKED THE GRID OUT FROM NEW ZEALAND TO HAWAII. :(

        As long as we believe it’s a natural disaster and not man-made, these disasters might happen again; it’s too early to tell though.

        Lately, propagandists’ve talked about the internet, so “THE END OF THE INTERNET AS WE KNOW IT” is comming sooner than we thought.

    114. Steve from Ohio says:

      Panic just like almost everyone did in December 1999. Remember Y2K?

      The government is also feeding the panic by purchasing billions of rounds of ammo, cutting the supply to citizens. Back door gun control. Cut the supply by giving huge contracts to ammo makers stipulating that they cannot sell to anyone except the government till the contract is filled.

      Time for the end of firearms. Come on America! Some of us are pretty smart. Come up with something else that can expel projectiles at lethal force. Make it so this new weapon does not depend on manufacturers of gunpowder, primers, brass or bullets. Make it use something that is readily available. Guns are so 15th century. So easily controlled.

      Use our brains to keep our freedom. We have power beyond what we know. As a collective, the government has no power over us other than the power we allow them to have over us. Stop supporting tyranny. Be a leader and not a follower. Resistance to tyranny is obedience to GOD.

    115. wriv says:

      I’m just pissed because I can’t use the Name Skittle shitting Unicorn. :-(

    116. Think: Germany 1930s. The US really does seem to have reached that stage.

      Those readers who visit my blog – and there are some – will remember a posting of last October titled “The war against women”, which noted some of the brutality that has become commonplace in the uniformed branches of the Empire’s “defense” forces. There are obvious parallels with the action of the uniformed branches of Germany’s “defense” forces of eighty years ago – and we know how that ended.

      We your neighbors wish Americans well in the inevitable bloodbath.

    117. hamilcar says:

      Well well well..

      The hysteria continues..

      Here in Moscow East(Massachusetts)everything ..except 22lr.. is finally coming back to the shelves with a slight price increase before the hysteria with allotments of 5 or less procurements per customer in all fairness till supplies replenish.

      I spoke with many gun owners and gun shop owners over the last few weeks..it will all fade away folks!!!

      223/556 @ 25rnds is @9.99..same price as before..40 per round
      9mmLuger brass is UP @15.99 compared to 12.99 before
      40 cal S&W is @18.99 compared to 16.99 before..

      Hence most of us are buying for inflation concerns..Not civil war!!!

      Those of you who want or wish for civil war are sadly mistaken..it ain’t gonna happen..period!

      Go back listening to Steve Quayle or Alex Jones…or all the others.

      Civil unrest due to economic collapse yes..1

      Civil war..never!

      • Juicy Juice says:

        I have no qualms about killing a damn liberal, I do not accept them as Americans.

        Civil (revolution) war? Yes plz

        • Response to a Moron says:

          Your desire to kill a perfect stranger is duly noted.

          Your bias against your own stupidity and ignorance is duly noted.

          Your hope for civil war and suffering by millions of people is duly noted.

          Please do the rest of us thinking humans a favor and go blow your own stupid brains out of your head.

          Soon.

          Please.

          Or perhaps we can offer you some assistance.

    118. What's going on... says:

      The US has been taken over by socialists.
      The real Americans are stocking up on arms as they will not be slaves to the bankers.

      You cannot tell entire generations that they are free…then start taking away freedoms.

      Folks are just making sure they have theirs before the NWO UN creeps engineer the currency collapse and make us turn in our guns. At that point… no one will comply.

      I predict that you will see some military come together to deal with things. my guess.

    119. Donediditgood says:

      were past the point of no return and their will be an adjustment coming !

    120. What's going on... says:

      Just watching and waiting out the boomers to all die off…they will leave behind many nice homes, RVs, new sports cars… Then I’ll cash in all the silver and buy a nice well cared for new corvette off the kids of some rotting boomer corpse who wiped it lovingly for me with a diaper.

      The boomers drove the price of real estate very high…cost me much.
      So it is only fair the I benefit from them cashing out.

      ha
      I love to hate that generation…it’s a sport.

      The generation that destroyed the US and surrendered us to to the socialist UN.

      Unreal.
      Die well boomer scum. I will drink beer and piss it all over your graves.

      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        What a typical asshole stupid Yute generation fool. The OLDEST Boomers was only aprox ONE year old when the UN becane a reality asshole!

        You are a typical Greedy younger gen asshole who thinks everybody Owes you free stuff same as typical negros are…Gimmdats cause I iz a victim..

        You fuck with some boomer type men and then you will know…When you come sniffin around to steal our stuff you may get shot. YOu will know when the bullet hits the Bone fool. Go watch more MTV clown.

      • Paranoid says:

        No; you won’t, you will be working at a miserable wage job your whole life; hopeing for a retirement, but you won’t get it, because We spent it. I even gave you a thunbs up so you could have something in your miserable life. But that’s all you get.

      • Smokey says:

        You seem to have boomers mixed up with the Marxist scum who is responsible for all of this.

        Try getting a clue as to reality, before you get in big trouble for being stupid.

    121. OldBear says:

      If the arms and ammunition manufacturers were serious about not wanting to place citizens in a compromised position as they mention, they would immediately forego any ‘priority contractual obligations’ to government and law enforcement, and begin delivery to the civilian market until that is caught up and maxed out. the government already has their 2+ billion rounds- let the citizens get theirs now.

    122. 1619 Heritage says:

      When the checks for the “takers”run out, they will still feel entitled to the fruits of other peoples labors. Until 2 months ago, I had an old 22 revolver, a 38sp revolver, an old 1919 Ivers Johnson 12 ga and a springfield 120A 22LR single shot bolt action and vertually no ammo. I have added a mini 14 with mags totalling a 100 rounds capacity, 4 22LR semis with 200 rounds capacity between them, another 38sp and a sweet Ruger 22 LCR with chrimson trace. Along with this about 8,000 rounds of ammo. I’ve had to pay out the wazoo to get it all together. I am now stocking up on food, medical supplies, fuel, oil, batteries, radios, etc, etc. Never in my life did I think it would come to this. But when one applies logic VS emotion, anyone with two active brain cells (even me) can see the dance is over, time to pay the piper.

    123. I’m glad the PD armory is full of ammo and a new shipment on the way.

    124. Laura Akins says:

      Just remember not all liberals are anti-gun. I am aware of NWO, Agenda 21 etc. In the end it won’t matter if you are a Dem or Rep. Things are going to change drastically in America. I was never pro gun before, but I am now.

    125. 965883 527893Awesome read , I’m going to spend a lot more time researching this topic 53673

     
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