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Government Shutdown: The Next Step In The Collapse Of The Dollar?

Brandon Smith
September 30th, 2013
Alt Market
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SHTFplan Editor’s Note: As our benevolent benefactors debate our future in the hallowed halls of Congress, one can’t help but wonder what would happen if the US government were to shut down for an extended period of time. Let’s be honest, if the Federal government shut down and essentially stopped operating it’d almost be a dream come true. They’d pass no more laws, no more restrictions, and they’d finally be out of our lives (and, as a side effect, the President would apparently have to do his own laundry!). However, with any such shut down would come consequences. Though they’ll probably “save us” again in the 11th hour, Brandon Smith of Alt Market explores the possibilities and after-effects should the government shut down for an extended period of time; be it today or at some point in the future. It would be painful to be sure, as tens of millions of Americans would almost immediately lose access to the social safety net that is keeping the whole thing afloat. 

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There is a considerable amount of debate in alternative economic circles as to whether a federal government shutdown would be a “good thing” or a “bad thing”.  Frankly, even I am partially conflicted.  I love to read mainstream news stories about how a shutdown in the capital would be “horrible” because Barack Obama might have to reduce the White House cleaning staff and wash his own laundry:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-27/obama-stripped-to-skeleton-staff-in-a-government-shutdown.html

It’s about time that sellout bastard did something to clean up his own act.  I also love the idea of the federal government out of the picture and removed from the U.S. dynamic.  Americans need to learn again how to live without the nanny state, even if only for a few weeks, and what better way than to go cold turkey.  I can hear the tortured sobs of the socialists now, crying for their SNAP cards and low grade government healthcare.  It’s like…beautiful music…

That said, as much as centralized government needs to be erased from the face of the planet, there are, indeed, consequences that must be dealt with.  It is foolish to believe otherwise.  No social system, and I mean NO SOCIAL SYSTEM, changes without pain to the population.  I am not among those that cheer a federal shutdown, because I understand that the only people to ultimately feel suffering will be average citizens, not the establishment itself.  The sheeple may be ignorant and blind, but no one deserves the kind of unmitigated hellfire that could rain down upon our country if a shutdown continues for an extended period of time.  Call me a humanitarian…

As I write this, mainstream media projections estimate a 90% chance of government shutdown by midnight on September 30th.  Though technically, government funds will not run out until October 17th:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/25/treasury-debt-limit-october-17/2867471/

We have dealt with this kind of talk before over the past few years, and it’s interesting to see the kind of cynicism that has developed over the idea of a shutdown event.  After all, the last time a government shutdown occurred was at the end of 1995, lasting only a couple of weeks into 1996.  The GOP has folded so many times over the U.S. budget and debt ceiling that most of the public expects they will obviously do it again.  It is certainly possible that the Republicans will roll over, however, I am not so sure of that this time around.  Why?  Not because Obamacare is on the table.  Obamacare is just a distraction.  No, I’m far more interested in the circumstances surrounding the U.S. dollar.

Obamacare is designed to fail.  Anyone with any financial or mathematical sense could look at the real national debt and deficit projections of the U.S. and understand that there is no money and never will be enough money to fund universal healthcare.  The GOP could simply let the program take effect, sit back, and watch it crash and burn over the next three to five years.  This would entail, though, watching the whole of our economy crash and burn with it.

What we have developing in front of us is the recipe for a new false paradigm.  Already, the MSM is discussing the possibility of debt default and who will be responsible under such circumstances.  Not surprisingly “Tea Party” conservatives have been named the primary culprits if a shutdown goes south; even former Democratic president Bill Clinton is getting in on the blame game:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/bill-clinton-when-it-comes-to-obamacare-gop-begging-for-america-to-fail/

All the bickering over Obamacare is fascinating, I’m sure, but lets set the Affordable Care Act aside for a moment and look at the bigger and more important picture.  The private Federal Reserve Bank has just announced to much surprise a complete reversal on its suggested QE “taper” measures, resulting in a shocked and confused marketplace.  If the U.S. fiscal system is stable and sound, as the Fed has been suggesting for the past year, then why continue stimulus measures at all?  Could it be that most if not all positive economic numbers released by the Fed and the Labor Department are actually fake, and that investors have been duped into assuming overall growth when America is actually in an accelerated decline?   Wouldn’t that be a high speed excrement storm straight out of left field!

The first day rally over the Fed announcement faded quickly, resulting in a slow bleed of the Dow ever since.  The magic of Fed stimulus is wearing off, and the investment world is not happy.  If I were a member of the Federal Reserve Bank, I suppose I would appreciate a large scale distraction designed to take attention away from me and my elitist club-mates as the primary culprits behind the greatest currency implosion in the history of the world.

Sadly, a government shutdown is sizable threat to the American financial system, and few people seem to get it.  Perhaps because the expectation is that any shutdown would only be a short term concern.  And, this assumption might be correct.  But, if a shutdown takes place, and, if “gridlock” continues for an extended period of time, I have little doubt that the U.S economy will experience renewed crisis.  Here’s why:

Exponential Debt

Obamacare only tops a long list of already existing “unfunded liabilities” (otherwise known as entitlement programs).  These programs are not counted in the government’s official calculations of national debt or deficit spending, but they cost taxpayers money all the same.  True deficit costs and national debt costs expand every year without fail.  If the debt ceiling does not rise in accordance with this exponential debt, a default is inevitable.  No amount of increased taxes could ever fill the black hole already created by negative government spending.

A long term government shutdown will eventually require cuts in entitlements, if not a total overhaul of certain aid programs.  Imagine an end to all disability payments, including veterans disability payments.  Imagine federal employee pensions put on hold for an undesignated period of time.  Imagine food stamps placed on hiatus for 50 million people.  Imagine how many states now rely on federal funding just to keep municipalities from bankruptcy.  Get the picture now?

End Of Foreign Faith In U.S. Treasuries

In a disgusting display of propaganda, media outlet Reuters has released an article claiming that, default or not, Asian investors and central banks are “hostage” to U.S. debt:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/29/us-usa-debt-asia-analysis-idUSBRE98S0GY20130929

Their argument essentially revolves around the lie that Asian investors believe an American default to be “unthinkable”.  Surely, the unnamed Japanese investment source they cite as an “insider” truly represents the whole of Asia.

The reality is, the Asians (the Chinese in particular) have been preparing for a calamity in the U.S. Treasury market for years.

Most foreign investors in U.S. Treasuries have converted their long term bond holdings to short term bond holdings; meaning, they are ready to liquidate their bonds at a moment’s notice.  Overall purchase levels of treasuries are either static, or falling depending on the nation involved.

China has been internationalizing its currency, the Yuan, since 2005.  China has opened Yuan “clearing houses in multiple countries to allow faster convertibility of the Yuan, quietly supplanting the dollar as the world reserve currency.  These clearing houses now exist in London, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, and Kenya.  The Federal Reserve and international banks like JP Morgan are heavily involved in the internationalization of the Yuan.

The assertion that Asia is somehow hostage to U.S. debt is a lie beyond all proportions.  In truth, the U.S. economy is actually hostage to Asian holdings of U.S. debt.  A call for a dump of U.S. treasury bonds by China, for example, in the face of a U.S. default, would immediately result in a global chain reaction ending in the destruction of the dollar as the world reserve currency.  This is not speculation, this is mathematical fact.  China is not going to sit back and do nothing while their investment in U.S. debt quickly disintegrates.  Why would they take the chance when they could could just sell, sell, sell!

The very idea that Reuters is attempting to twist the fundamentals surrounding a default event leads me to believe a default event may be preordained.

What Will Be Defunded?

Non-essential personnel (which apparently includes Obama’s maids), will be the first to receive a pink slip from the federal government.  Extra Pentagon staff, EPA staff, FDA staff, IRS staff, etc will all be cut.  Good riddance.  But what will follow will not be so pleasant.

If a shutdown stretches for months, expect cuts in all support programs and entitlements.  Veterans disability checks, social security, Medicare, employee pensions, even the Postal Service is likely to undergo defunding.  National Parks, and schools that receive federal aid will discover immediate cash-loss.  In fact, any state or city that relies on federal funds should plan for the possibility that those funds will disappear.

Military cuts would be at the bottom of the list, but I would not discount the chance of that either.

It cannot be denied; an enormous subsection of the American public is dependent on federal money.  If that money dries up, chaos will ensue.  I don’t like it, but it is a concern.

Controlled Reaction

A long term shutdown will be catastrophe no matter how you slice it.  Foreign creditors will react harshly.  The bond market will see a haircut not unlike that given to investors in Greek treasuries.  Austerity will become an American way of life.  The only mitigating factor will be the Federal Reserve, which I believe may institute “extraordinary measures” without congressional consent in order to continue feeding stimulus into government regardless of whether the debt ceiling is raised or not.  Given enough desperation, the American public might even applaud such an action and praise the Fed as “heroic”.

In this situation, the U.S. would be facing a Weimar-style currency collapse, rather than a debt default.  But in either scenario, the dollar is the final target.

Unfortunately, too many economic analysts presume that the only threat to the dollar’s value is hyperinflation (these are the same people that quote the Fed’s crooked CPI numbers).  But the dollar is just as vulnerable to a debt default and loss of reserve status.  Devaluation seems to be inevitable regardless of the outcome of the funding debate.

The Republicans could still surrender, and even if they don’t, real damages will not be felt until after October 17th.  This is plenty of time to manipulate the public into demanding more spending even when more spending is not in our best interests in the long term.  Our greatest concern, though, should be whether or not the establishment is ready to pull the plug on the dollar altogether, using the debt ceiling crisis as cover in order to distract away from the involvement of international banks in the overall problem.  There is no doubt given the facts at hand that America is on the edge of a terrible pyre.  Is this the event that will finally trigger collapse?  We’ll know more in a week…

You can contact Brandon Smith at:  brandon@alt-market.com

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  1. Outlaw says:

    Personally I think it is just a circus like the last few times. Its all for show.

    • Outlaw says:

      We could only hope that they really shut down. Hopefully for good!

      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        Yeah. Wishful thinking.

        • KY Mom says:

          I would be shocked if they cut Obamacare.

          I believe the next step in Obamacare would be to ‘chip’ the population.

          The middle class is being wiped out. Our country is being ‘fundamentally transformed.’

          Food and healthcare are both BASIC needs of the people.
          Don’t be surprised when people will be REQUIRED to receive the chip, in order to get their food stamps.

          This section from HR 3200 was removed in the final version of Obamacare passed by the House…
          “H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1.
          The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘and is— ‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”
          http://www.dailypaul.com/105079/microchiping-included-in-healthcare-bill

          Many have said this section (which was removed from the final version that passed) referred to chipping the population with the RFID chip.

          However, many say the final version of Obamacare provides a “back door” by granting authority to “enact regulations for smooth implementation” of Obamacare.

          Food Stamp Growth 75X Greater than Job Creation
          “In January 2009, there were 133.56 million Americans with jobs and 31.98 million on food stamps. Today, there are 133.76 million Americans with jobs and 46.68 million on food stamps.”

          For every new job created, 75 people were ADDED to the food stamp rolls. (The chart in the article speaks volumes.)
          http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/food-stamp-growth-75x-greater-job-creation_660073.html

          Of the 953,000 Jobs Created in 2013 — 731,000 Part-Time!
          Maybe this explains WHY…
          2013 – 77% of new jobs are only PART TIME.

          A part time job won’t support a family. Many leaves many families dependent on the government just to survive. No wonder the numbers on food stamps have increased so much. This is wiping out the middle class.

          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-02/obamacare-full-frontal-953000-jobs-created-2013-77-or-731000-are-part-time

          • Wolf359 says:

            Exactly, that’s the plan. Destroy the middle class!

            Every Marxist has contempt and disgust for the middle class. They view middle class as apathetic towards the lower classes and blame their Iills on them.

            Traditionally that is how its been but the middle class never really flourished until in America. So today the marxists blame Americas middle class for exploiting, harming and stealing third world countries resources for consumerism.

            Now its about power. Create victimization through the destruction of millions of middle class families. Make another mouth to feed or hand out and in return stay in power.

            • OutWest says:

              The government shafting the people reminds me
              of the two squirrels that ran up the pant legs
              of the gardener and saying, “lets eat one now,
              and take one for later.”

            • Gods Creation says:

              It’s all a smokescreen anyway. The debt ceiling was breached months ago, everything the FedRes does in an extraordinary measure without Congressional approval, and it can still print all the counterfeit money it needs to do what it wants or needs to do and buy who it wants or needs to buy.

              The corp will not shut down. If it did, the people that now depends on it will depend on each other, or die. They will begin forming communities of people and militias of the People to defend themselves from it. They will begin working together as “We the People”, and the corp will have none of that so long as it’s money is free.

              Many will start fighting the wrong war and die from that mistake, but many that are not participating now will begin fighting the right one. They are well armed and prepared. Knowledgeable and pissed off. Everything the corp is afraid of from a well armed populace when it turns their guns on them.

              Would it hurt if the corp shut down? Sure it would, but only because we would be left with no monetary system and a devastated economy. But the free market would come back quickly and it would not be the end of the world.

              Look to Iceland to see what happens when the banksters are forcefully removed from power. In a year we would be far better off, and those who worship the government will have been removed from the equation to make room for freedom.

              the cor can have none of that, so it will print to infinity and let the chips fall where they may. It will be an accident is if it happens before they can disarm us. Til then, it’s full steam ahead for the printing press, damn the icebergs.

              • DRD5508 says:

                It is a smoke screen. Mr. Smith has a lot of good points. I would add that a gov’t shut down is a pretex to allowing more power to be gained by the oval office. If there is a lengthy shut down, elections may be delayed and with the delay in checks for retirees, military, etc.. will most likely cause the crises tptb want and need for Marshall law/anarchy.
                Don’t forget, a lot of state/city/county law enforcement is funded by fed dollars. Guess what follows?

              • apache54 says:

                YUP, it is a smoke screen! what you need to be watching is things like the 2nd in command of a nuke arsenal is being relieved of duty for gambling? well what about those nukes that were moved last month, without proper authorization bet it is tied to that and there is other things like the satelite protection system being shutdown, tooo many things happening in sequence , something BIG is coming and soon!

              • Them Guys says:

                Speaking of “CHIPS” GC:

                “We are going to have a war on terror which you can never win, and so you can always keep taking people’s liberties away. The media is going to convince everybody that the war on terror is real. The ultimate goal is to get everybody in the world chipped with an RFID chip, and have all money be on the chips, and if anyone wants to protest what we do, we turn off the chip.”
                Nicholas Rockefeller to producer Aaron Russo – eleven months before the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks

              • Anonymous says:

                YMWW-you’re always calling someone else a statist or fascist, which is actually the agenda that you’re following and you’re a TROLL!

            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              Wolf359 says:

              “Every Marxist has contempt and disgust for the middle class. They view middle class as apathetic towards the lower classes and blame their Iills on them.”

              Wrong-O Wolf.

              The Marxists (the very people in control of the USG, the ones you vote for) need to crush the “middle class” because the middle class represents a threat to the position and power of the Establishment(Socialists/Communists/Fascists). They could care less about the “lower classes.” The ruling class employes a “divide and conquer” strategy that pits a man against his fellow while they sit on top, control the society, and collect the spoils.

              Why do people get caught up in false dichotomies???

              This struggle isn’t about Democrat vs Republican.

              … Red vs Blue.

              … Black vs White.

              … Muslim vs Christian.

              … Pepsi vs Coke.

              This is about Liberty vs Tyranny.

              This is about the Individual vs the Collective.

              This is about the “Golden Rule vs “State Rule.”

              This about the “Rule of Law” vs the “Rule of Man.”

              This is about the freedom to live your life as you see fit… without ANYONE telling you otherwise, and without ANYONE threatning you with violence if you don’t acquiesces.

              That’s what this is about.

              • Wolf359 says:

                Yo mamma,
                Can you actually read and comprehend words? How do you reach that response from what I posted?

                What kind of response is that, where did you copy and paste that from?

              • Gods Creation says:

                Wolf is right on one point. The corp does want to destroy the middle class and blame the lower classes and their forced dependence for their downfall. It is SOP for the banksters.

                Thus, they believe the people will fight amongst themselves while the criminals sit back and laugh, waiting for the right time to come in and “save us”.

                The problem with that play in their book is that now a large number of people are 100% aware of the banksters scam and will not attack the victims. They will seek out and destroy the banksters and their minions.

                The internet is the intangible the banksters playbook never took into account. The unintended consequence of making the technology available to its military power centers. They sought greater control through military communication, and ended up releasing the human spirit and desires for freedom, never to be recaptured.

                They are trying to adapt to it by using the outdated mediums they can control to propagandize the populace into total mindlessness. It is rapidly losing effectiveness and human curiosity is leading those still functioning as humans to the truth and they can not put the genie back in the bottle.

                Since they do not have total control, too much of the truth has been told to too many people. The banksters fear for their lives and power, and their only response it to try to incite an even greater fear in you, of them and their perceived power.

                Thus, we will eventually end up where we were 235 years ago. The same banksters trying to kill the natural will of men to be free, and the same free people who have simply had enough of being told how to live.

                The results of that war will probably be the same. The human will to be free will overcome the criminals desire to enslave them, and yet again history will rhyme just as in every other instance throughout our history.

              • durango kidd says:

                Yo Mama: While I agree with some of the political perspective you state, you are reading way too much into this budget fight.

                This is about the National Debt, the Budget, and how financial resources are going to be allocated.. Both parties agree on the destruction of the Middle Class and the national treasury: that’s NWO policy.

                If McLame were potus he would be spending just as much money, maybe more than O’Bummer. Follow the money folks and at the end of trail of bread crumbs, you will find TREASON! 🙂

              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                Wolf359 says:

                “What kind of response is that, where did you copy and paste that from?”

                “What kind of response is that???”

                In your “reply” Wolf, you didn’t address, or even attempt to refute my comments. Instead, you chose to whine like a little girl, and attack me personally.

                S.O.P. for Establishment/Statist/GovernmentLover types like yourself it seems.

                Truth be told Wolf, there’s not much difference between you and the “Marxists” you claim to oppose. You just can’t see it ’cause you’ve bought into the Establishment narrative: Left vs Right.

                But in the end, you’re just as bad as the “Marxist!”

                Just as they would pull a gun on you/me, and force your/my acquiescence, so you would do the same to them/me! A thug is a thug.

                You would have no problem using “Government” violence against “others” to force your will. It’s called Statism (your style).

                Spare me the “Marxist” drivel. It’s nothing but a distraction.

                BTW: The “Marxists” aren’t the real problem. It’s the Fascist!!

              • Wolf359 says:

                Yo mamma,

                There’s no need to address you. You spouted off over my post railing against my description of the threat from Marxists as if I don’t recognize the battle between the individual vs the collective.

                In your blind rage to try and chide me for basically stating what you attempted to trump me with you displayed first of all you don’t either fully understand what you read.

                Everybody you ride, you say the same thing that they are gov shills or just as bad as the marxists.

                How about you put something forward of value yourself?

                With out stealing others words. Previously I caught you copying and pasting a wash po article as a response to me you fucking FRAUD.

              • Wolf359 says:

                Btw yo mamma,

                Damn fucking right in a post shtf world would Constitutional Patriots be squaring off against Progressive Marxists!

                Theres no compromise there you asshole so figure out where you stand before its too late for you. Your anarchist philosoohy is bullshit. The second anybody moves to probably even restore the constitution you assholes will more than likely try and force your hopeless philosphy on everyone else! You hypocrite punk.

              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                Wolf359 says:

                “There’s no need to address you.”

                Then why did you? LOL.

                “… as if I don’t recognize the battle between the individual vs the collective.”

                While you may sincerely believe you “recognize the battle between the individual vs the collective.” I don’t think you really do.

                You’re a Statist, and Statism is antithetical to the individual!

                As a Statist, you are by default a Socialist! You are part of the “hive.”

                Think about it!!!

              • durango kidd says:

                WTF? 40,000 federal workers in Arizona and this is the “fallout” from the shutdown:

                “More than 30 people looking to raft on the Colorado river were turned away.”

              • Wolf359 says:

                @yomamma

                Exactly “you don’t think”. Perfectly put.

          • Be informed says:

            I wrote this last year because of the debacle of BO care that won’t work well at all and give people more of a pain in the backside than any series of dr quack vaccinations.

            BO (Obama) Care, getting you hooked on it like a dope dealer does.

            People watching the president giving his pitch on why BO care is some sort of savior to all the problems of the medical system, which there are plenty, one MIGHT think that this might not be too bad of an idea. That is until someone looks much deeper into what all actual means.

            First examine the theory that competetion of all these health insurance companies will drive premiums down and save money. This sound real good, this is the bedrock idea of capitialism that more and more people offering a product or service means that prices will be as low as possible because one insurance company wants your business over another. This might work if the actual usage of the insurance was kept low. This is where the problem occurs.

            Like the dependency of the welfare state, people become dependent on trying to cure their ailments through the “quick and easy fix”. People find it is far easier to simply show up for food stamps than earn an income for food. Same holds true with someone not willing to stay healthy, which requires work, exercise, and not eating garbage. The present day health care system penalizes people that overly abuse their bodies with mammouth medical costs to repair damage to their bodies. The same hand it to me on a platter people that want more and more from the government, are the same people that are unwilling to change their eating and dietary habits. What happens when people continue to get that quick and easy bandage to stop a symptom of an underlying health problem(s), rather than try to repair it and fix it? More medication and more trips to the doctor. Whom pays for this? Why all those insurance companies that cannot deny care to a high risk sick person unwilling to change their eating and health habits. What happens when there is an overwhelming number of insurance claims? The costs go through the roof.

            Sure as the president talked about how low in price it is to start of BO care. The president gave his “enthusiastic” speech on all sorts of “encouraging” numbers of less cost than your cell phone costs each month for “affordable” health care. That is until the big pharmaceutical companies, that are licking their chops, can get all those new people into doctor’s offices to convice them that one little pill can cure what is giving them problems. Never is it mentioned that one little pill often has side effects that one more little pill is necessary to counteract the effects of the first little pill. The cost of medication is unbelievable, and will drive health care cost, and ultimately insurance premiums into the stratrosphere.

            Another huge issue of health care is the cost of tests. Doctors love tests, because it not only gives them a better picture what is wrong, but it takes some legal burden off their heads. Tests done by a company can be used as protection against lawsuits from quackery that many doctors have fallen into, and because of all the side effects of being overly medicated. Tests can be done on a much higher regular basis under so many more people being insured. Most people actually trust the testing process and will agree without question, because they have this BO care “backing” them up. Again, rising the costs of what the insurance companies must pay. Much fear is driven into scared patients that unless they are tested, the doctor can’t treat them because they are unsure what is actually wrong. Use to be that doctors had better medical diagnostic abilities, not anymore as they feel that is not really necessary anymore. Tests are usually much higher in cost than any medication. After all, why not because BO care means you are insured for all the testing any physician wants to do. See the costs of the insurance rates rising like a surface to air missile?

            So the president talks about how people that can afford health care insurance should be forced to have it. There seems to be a little problem with this with the Constitution that pretty much guarantees that the state does not have the right to force health care beyond someone’s free will to choose if they receive health care or not. You can still choose self treatment. So Supreme Court John Roberts agreed that BO care is nothing but a tax that the state can oppose on everyone, they have that right. Okay you have to have car insurance to drive a car. You can still choose to NOT drive a car and can make that choice to walk or take the bus or train. So the paradox begins. If you choose to not be treated by anything in the health care industry, then where does that forced tax apply to you?

            Back to the core issue of BO care. The president knows that WHEN health care costs use the system to MILK insurance companies, and insurance companies to stay in business have to raise their costs of insuring people that there is a “simple” answer. It is called government subsidies to the insurance companies to keep the cost of medical insurance “affordable” to everyone that might vote in large enough numbers to elect members of congress to dump BO care. The government pays farmers not to grow too many crops to manipulate prices, why not the health insurance companies along with them. Just get helicopter ben to fire up more of the printing presses and borrow more. A 17 trillion dollar debt can easily be moved up to 27 trillion, or why not just make it a nice even 100 trillion. After all it is just other people’s money that never has to be paid back. Just keep raising the debt ceiling and paying for a welfare state that is addictive to more and more of the population each year.

            Unless there is some type of cap on how much health care treatment costs, BO care must fail. It a candy store trip for big pharmaceutical companies as their “MEDS” can now be paid for by a far larger number of “customers”. Everyone that works in the health care field can now test and test people over and again to make “absolutely sure” that they are sick or not. Doctors now are guaranteed to be paid at least 80% of their costs, in some case much higher. No reason not to treat as many people unnecessarily as possible. More routine check-ups that are mosly or fully paid for. You might catch a major problem or not. The patient now can be assured that they will be treated for any problem, no reason now to be healthy as that bag of junk food sure tastes good. Everyone can get their quick fix’em MEDS from your friend and mine, the big pharm companies.

            The looming cloud to “happy” times over the rainbow has some real issues. First whom is going to pay for this? Eventually foreign countries are no longer going to accept the Banana Republic U.S. dollar as collateral for any type of loans that might not be paid, not even the interest owed each month. This is showing evidence as more and more OPEC countries are considering selling their oil and natural gas using a basket currency of other monies rather than the using the U.S. dollar exclusively. Precious metals are high on the method of payment. Any money or loan must have something to back it up, again collateral. The U.S. dollar without anything to guarantee payment means not an A ++ rating, it means an A or worse B or C rating. It means massive uncontrolled inflation in the U.S. as the dollar loses world value. Again, whom pays for BO care and as a matter of fact all the other freebies programs?

            IF the U.S. government cannot support the influx of health costs that will hit the insurance companies that cannot refuse high risk people, then whom pays the cost? You guessed it, all those people earning a paycheck and paying taxes. What about all those on food stamps that aren’t paying taxes. They are guaranteed health care from the government. By George, it sure seems like it is more profitable to not be working as the cost of health care premiums are too much along with all the other high costs of food, gasoline, rent, other insurance, etc. etc. Welfare means you don’t have to do anything, just exist, and most or all of what you need is paid for, and make sure you vote for all those politicians that support welfare as your gravy train depends on it.

            BO care is something that will help bankrupt the country, along with all the other government pork expenses, as health care needs has helped bankrupt people by the millions and continues to. Just because you force someone to pay the absurd high costs of medical care doesn’t mean it makes the problem go away. The real problem is that the initial costs of being treated. Until people as a nation decide that health care is ONLY for the rare time when you actually get sick, and decide as a people to avoid being sick by practicing being healthy, the system is broke and won’t work. Price regulations would not work because people would just use the health care system even more so, and be doped up with every chemical medication imaginable to even a higher extent. Health care starts with being healthy and using personal preventative care on their own bodies and avoiding the doctor. This will not be the case with BO care and the costs after a year or two will start to show this all too well. People have to start to free themselves of the government dependency, and this will not start with this health care system that will ultimately cost everyone a lot. One does not usually overly abuse something that costs money to repair, and one has to ask why don’t people use this philosopy on their own body and drive health care costs down by NOT being sick and in need of that temporary fix at the doctor’s office.

            • KY Mom says:

              Be Informed,

              Well said!

              Obamacare was never about healthcare, it was about CONTROL.

              Some even admitted it…
              When radio host Paul W. Smith asked liberal Congressman John Dingell (D-MI) why it will take the government until 2014 to fully set up the ObamaCare system.

              Dingell said this: “It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to CONTROL THE PEOPLE.”

              Source: News Talk WJR Radio with Paul W. Smith – 3/23/2010

            • Cowdoc says:

              Obamacare is just another wealth trasfer from the uninformed sheeple to the financial elite and the pharmaceutical industry. It is no different than the stimulus that juiced all the banks and large corporations that made bad financial decisions. Our greedy politicians of both parties will posture around but they will pass healthcare because it contains all the evil plans for population control that we have been told about. All that is going to happen to us is that we are destined to be turned into a third world country where many of the people will be eliminated.

            • Outlaw says:

              Well, I for one, will NOT be signing up for Obamacare. You are correct BI, our health remains in our own hands. I treat myself, and have only been to the doctor a FEW times. For actual emergencies. I intend to keep it that way.

              • sixpack says:

                Unfortunately, you have to “sign up” for obamacare AND pay for it, whether you use it or not. This farce is not based on client NEED.

                BI, above, put together another pretty good rant about how the poor are all just leeching the rest of the country for everything they can get for free, while they sit on their lazy asses “eating garbage”.

                “…People find it is far easier to simply show up for food stamps than earn an income for food. Same holds true with someone not willing to stay healthy, which requires work, exercise, and not eating garbage…”

                I’m sorry BI, but you COMPLETELY IGNORE the fact that TPTB engineered this phenomena over a period of about 100 YEARS, cutting off our avenues of self-sufficiency and poisoning literally everything in our environment.

                Poison is cheap, good stuff IS NOT, so TPTB made sure the common people, especially the poorest, can never afford to avoid all of the poison…IT IS EVERYWHERE, IN ALMOST EVERYTHING.

                I know, I know, there are a few examples of exactly what you talk about, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SUM OF THE PROBLEM. MOST people want to be free and healthy, but after GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS of choices being taken away from us, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT?

                It must be NICE to afford a BOL, complete with a large garden area.

                It must be NICE to not have fluoride, BPA and all of the other toxins in the environment, forced on you by the gov.

                It must be NICE to not have any physical issues, especially those that were borne out of injuries—you know, shit that just happens beyond your control?

                It must be NICE to have such complete and utter control of your life, body and surroundings that you can avoid all of the hazards that everyone else has to contend with.

                It must be NICE to not be too poor, so we can sit in judgment of others, who don’t have the resources available to us.

                It must be NICE to have someone else to point a finger at; to blame for the state of our country….after all, NONE OF IT WAS OUR FAULT.

              • Be informed says:

                @ Outlaw. You know bad risk drivers pay through the nose for car insurance. Why should people that take excellent care of themselves pay the same amount of money out in a collective communist state insurance “scam” as some fat ass 500 pound heifer that is literally eating themselves to death? BO care is exactly what BO means, it stinks and the stench stays up the nose.

              • Them Guys says:

                KY Mom: they also can Erase a persons memory by use of what you posted about!…eraseing the history from every possible source and text books etc is one of the Many methods kommies use and promote to be used when kommies gain total control of a nation.

                Like orwells 1984 with the ministry of truth all folks must trust and believe. Yet with todays high tech rfid chips etc it is frightening to think just how well and permanantly kommies will be able to manipulate the facts and actual history.

                That changeing of actual true history and replaceing it with False history of events is the exact method that was taught by the Frankfurt School, of, cultural-communisim.

                Frankfurt began around 1923 era in germany, and in 1933 when nazis came to power, most if not every Frankfurt school teacher and adherent student of its teachings Fled germany and came to America!

                Once in america they got set up in the Universities! First as professors and teachers, and it is They who started all of that Hippies-anti vietnam protestors and drugs buisness. Frankfurt policy teachngs of Cultural communisim is behind EVERY change that has occured ever since the 1950 era. None of it has been for good.

                The originators of Franfurt teachings originated the school Precisely to deal with americans. They realized unlike All other nations peoples, we americans are Born with a Birthright of Freedoms that no others ever had. Along with tons of guns such born free ideals frankfurt leaders Knew would drastically prevent any type kommie take over as was acomplished all over russia and a dozen more eastern european nations when the kommie plan began there in 1918 and onward. They realized early on that to overtake the usa they first needed to invent a system of no bloodshed, and instead use a societal cultural marxisim form of communisim.

                Apparently those from frankfurt were correct as look at america today eh.

                One more issue of importance is the Fact that the 1950-60 era of graduates of frankfurt teachings are Now and for some time have been, totally in control of the entire usa govnt and univ etc. If ever americans Needed God’s blessings…It is surly Now today elsewise we shall never regain an america even close to what we had as kids and young adults. If franfurt types are not halted asap, once us boomers gen are dead and gone none shall be left to teach youth what it was as to True history and historic events as the truth tells the story.

              • Outlaw says:

                With all due respect sixpack, you can speak for yourself, but not for me. I WILL NOT be signing up for obamacare. I am self employed and no one will be forcing me to do a thing. If they wish to penalize me with a fine on my taxes, then they can try. Perhaps I will no longer file.

              • sixpack says:

                @Outlaw, I wasn’t trying to speak for you, you do rather nicely all by yourself.

              • Suzanne says:

                My darn insurance with Blue Cross/Blue Shield went up $400 a quarter… I’m about to drop it. I won’t replace it with Obombacare, either. With either one, I’m staring at limited access to doctors who are waning in number. I believe I can handle anything and if something crops up, I can go to Lindsey Williams’ favorite elite hospital in Tijuana.
                They can’t force us. At most, the IRS can snag our tax refunds.

          • InsanityISContagious says:

            I work in the medical field and every medical device that is implanted (such as defibrillators, etc.) is noted into medical records by serial number, make, and model….so this “medical device registry” may just be that — although I know that I definitely do not want anything to do with my healthcare in a government database.

        • KY Mom says:

          “History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” – Mark Twain

          Hitler’s and Obama’s Health Enabling Acts
          “President Hitler signed a shockingly similar bill with similar tactics used to get it signed – threats, harassment, false promises, intimidation, invented crises.”

          Hitler spoke; Hitler lied; Hitler intimidated; Hitler promised jobs, HEALTH CARE and safety; and Hitler won the vote 441 to 84.

          March 23, 1933 everything changed for Germany. After that vote, their constitution was shredded. The most evil dictator of our time would rise to power, shockingly by the vote of the people in Parliament. …
          The Germans believed the speeches – promises of HEALTH CARE, economic revival and jobs for all.”

          “Obama shockingly also signed the constitution shredding, freedom stealing HEALTH CARE bill into law March 23, 2010 – 77 years later to the day. He also gave speech after speech on America’s ‘crisis’ of health care and need for massive Government intervention and correction.

          This Health care bill, like Hitler’s Enabling Act, forces many things on the American people. For the first time in U.S. history it forces all Americans to have health insurance or face huge fines or even jail time. This is forced health insurance that the Government says is acceptable. Forcing the public to buy a product or service has never been done by our Government.”

          “Obama couldn’t find a more intimidating, powerful and menacing control of Health care than the dreaded and huge IRS. It is almost as if he put the military in control of tracking us with the potential intimidation and enforcement plans attached. It will be frightening enough with the IRS breathing down our throats.”

          http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21421

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            KY MOM:

            I enjoy your posts and your informative links. Here is a site that I think you would really like:

            Thethirdworldtraveler.com

            It is an archive of articles and book excerpts that seek to tell the truth about American democracy, media, foreign policy and other impact of the actions of the United States government, transnational corporations, global trade and financial institutions and the corporate media on democracy, social and economic justice, human rights and war and peace, in the third world and also the developed world.

          • Tomahawk says:

            “Forcing the public to buy a product or service has never been done by our Government.”

            Car insurance.

            • Anonymous says:

              You dont need car insurance if you dont drive. You need health insurance or get fined.

            • Dave says:

              Car insurance is inly needed if you drive. Health insurance is mandatory or be fined!

            • TXGranny says:

              Not exactly. You only have to have car insurance if you own a car that will be driven on public roads.

              Obamacare requires that EVERYONE buy a health insurance policy, unless you are part of a very limited group being given exclusions. Or face mandatory fines, or possible jail time. And even if you buy the insurance, you will have the IRS and some .gov bureaucrat health committee person watching everything you do.

              • Be informed says:

                @ TXGranny. You know since BO took over the country sure has took the course towards North Korea or Iran type of tyranny. Imagine it has only been 4+ years. Just proves how the wrong people in any government can totally f everything up. Let’s see now, Hitler took over in 1933, that would place the U.S. about on course to 1937 or 1938 Germany. That is an encouraging thought isn’t it? 🙁

              • clark says:

                You pay for automobile insurance if you ride in a taxi, take a bus, and when you buy any product shipped on a truck.

                Which means: just about Everything you buy pays for automobile insurance.

                The cost is passed down in the price.

                It’s a tax on your right to travel freely.
                Such a right was once upheld by the Supreme Court long ago.
                As if that matters.
                Everyone has forgotten.
                Or is blind.

            • Slick One says:

              Insurance companies I would suspect simply bribed state legleslators to create lawns making car insurance mandatory. It should be a simple matter to look up which of your state officials sponsered a bill requiring car insurance……………

        • Hammerun says:

          It’s just another Obama dog and pony show, once they ram it down our throats, we’ll love especially when there’s no other choice.

          • MadAtchew says:

            Not that this means anything…but “let’s play our haarps while the masses scramble for bread-let them eat cake” says Swift Boat Wreck Kerry whilst imbibing his tomato based sherry.

            I think the weather, and the modifiers, are making us all a tad goofy. Folks…it’s a good time for us all to keep our chins up, heads down and eyes wide open, perhaps leaving our jaws ever so slightly agape…

            http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/warnings_timeline.html

            Space Weather Message Code: ALTPX2
            Serial Number: 54
            Issue Time: 2013 Sep 30 1435 UTC

            ALERT: Proton Event 10MeV Integral Flux exceeded 100pfu
            Begin Time: 2013 Sep 30 1420 UTC
            NOAA Scale: S2 – Moderate
            Potential Impacts: Radiation – Passengers and crew in high latitude, high altitude flights may experience small, increased radiation exposures.
            Spacecraft – Infrequent single-event upsets to satellites are possible.
            Radio – Small effects on polar HF (high frequency) propagation resulting in fades at lower frequencies.

          • Hammerun says:

            USA Debt Clock .com
            17,283,879,400,000.00 and climbing.
            Did you know that someone, HUmmmm let’s think. Stopped debtclock .org?the damd thing is blank, I bet I have a feeling why!

          • Urban troll dog roll says:

            You are as moron hammer run. If a person doesn’t have a car, doesn’t drive in a car, then he would be a fool to buy car insurance. Pretty much everyone has a body last I checked.

      • US Centurion says:

        Americans need to learn again how to live without the nanny state, even if only for a few weeks, and what better way than to go cold turkey. I can hear the tortured sobs of the socialists now, crying for their SNAP cards and low grade government healthcare. It’s like…beautiful music…

        Oh my dear friend those sobs will be followed by extreme violence. What is going to happen when those 50 million people on SNAP, the welfare queens, and as everyone here likes to say, “the Sheeple” get angry about their freebies being cut. After they get angry and begin burning cites and yes smaller communities to the ground, what will you say then? Are you prepared for the fallout. These are the kinds of people who use children for shields. What will you do then?

        • Ancient Echoes says:

          Here is an idea: those trying to destroy our country are counting on this happening, the violence and such. We can play a better game of chess by taking care of the pawns ourselves and keeping them around and on our side. Just like this last time they tried to cause us to all have race riots, DIDN’T HAPPEN. They are not getting their way because we are not helping them destroy, because we are builders and caregivers and bearers of light; lets stay that way, and if we do this, darkness will have no control over us.

        • Facebook Page says:

          Sit back and watch the show. And be there to rebuild this country without them.

        • slingshot says:

          There will be a hot time, in the old town tonight.

        • Canadian Vet says:

          I’ve said it before: a middle-class is a death sentence for a tyrant’s regime. All these people with resources and don’t have to worry about where their next meal will come from have a lot of time to think about how they are being slighted by those in power and what to do about it, and then use that disposable income towards achieving that goal. Ask the Brits how a colonial middle-class came to bite them in the ass.

          A population kept in poverty and forced to work obscene amounts of time for an obscenely low wage will lack the energy and the resources to rise up. That is until they become massively desperate, as they would should the food stamp program go belly-up. At that point you will have all these scared, hungry, cold and desperate people in the streets and there will be violence and lots of it. I live within an hour’s drive from the border. Therefore it stands to reason I might be up to my eyeballs in refugees once things go south. And no offence, I’m none too keen on the idea.

          Especially since they will be a drain on resources on my side do the border and, once they see what they get isn’t what they conjure they are entitled to they will do what displaced masses have done countless time in history: they will take it out on the locals.

          And while I will do anything to protect my family I’d rather not have to get to that extremity. I have few enough nights without nightmares as it is without adding more to the pile.

          • JAFO425 says:

            Hi CV. I live 45 minutes from the Niagara falls boarder on the Canadian side. So, I feel your pain. At the local shooting range we have Canadian customs staff come to qualify. When I ask if there is an emergency boarder plan for just such an event. They reply, yup open the gates and wait for the army to show up. Some plan ….

            I think it more likely that the US will close down their boarders then let them leave .. But who knows …. They say this is what happened back in the 60’s during the Detriot riots at the Windsor crossing.

      • Gods Creation says:

        The banksters want everyone to believe that we can not survive without them. the People will find that, after a difficult period of adjustment and rebuilding, they will be far better off.

        If the MSM says the corp is required for the world to continue, consider the source.

      • Boe Jiden says:

        Shutting it down probably just reduces it back close to the size it should be anyway.

        • Man on the inside says:

          The goverment shuts down every friday afternoon and opends evry Monday. We seem to get by on the weekends with just basic services and we have more fun…. Mabey there is something here to look at…… Bohahahaha… Oh and sell Airfarce one and Two …….. his skiny ass can ride on his buddies 777 at Google.

      • Shootit says:

        A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his flashlight around, looking for valuables when a voice in the dark said, ‘Jesus knows you’re here.’

        He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his flashlight off, and froze. When he heard nothing more, he shook his head and continued.

        Just as he pulled the stereo out so he could disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he heard ‘Jesus is watching you.’

        Startled, he shined his light around frantically, looking for the source of the voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot.

        ‘Did you say that?’ he hissed at the parrot.

        ‘Yes’, the parrot confessed, then squawked, ‘I’m just trying to warn you that he’s watching you.’

        The burglar relaxed. ‘Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?’

        ‘Moses,’ replied the bird.

        ‘Moses?’ the burglar laughed. ‘What kind of people would name a bird Moses?’

        ‘The kind of people who would name a Rottweiler Jesus.’

    • Genius says:

      Outlaw you are probably right, it’s just another dog and pony show. BUT, the dollar will fail eventually by design to bring in the one world currency probably backed by nations resources. Think about it, if the moneychangers get theyre way and issue a one world currency backed by resources they would in effect own the planet. Then carbon tax the hell out of you and it’s game over. It pisses me off that people are so stupid they blame everyone except the creators of this shit (blame politicians etc.) bunch of branch managers off on theyre own little piece of the puzzle instead of attacking the root of the tree. They can’t figure out hegelian dialect (problem, reaction. solution) is constantly being played on them. Until the masses grow a mind of theyre own and put away the flouride I don’t see things getting any better, just worse. OK heres a quick prep tip… If you have limited power to run a refrigerator (gen or small solar) put water in whatever jugs will fit in the freezer part and freeze them while the fridge is operating. When you shut down the power take out the frozen jugs and put them on the top shelf of the refer part with your food below it. This acts like a cooler and will keep your food cold as long as the ice hold out. Also keep one in the freezer part with a jug of ice. This should cut at least 40% of your runtime for the fridge. When you turn the fridge on again just repeat. I have used this method for years and it works great. 🙂

      • Genius says:

        I meant to keep one jug in the freezer part with some food lol ^^^

      • Man on the inside says:

        Been doing this for years ourselves… and it realy works… kind of like a hybrid car only with ice…

      • Genius. Been on it freezing plastic (2 liter) bottles (w h2o) in d c freezer & keeping the food in fridge at propper temp. s while using no electricity off the “grid”. 2 235w panels, 1 lg solar batt, small charge controler, & dc freezer. Setup cost approx 3600 FRN’s. Cut electric bill by 60ish %.

      • Outlaw says:

        Genius, I hope you are wrong about resources being used to back the new currency. At this point anything is possible. Thanks for the ice tip, been using that awhile too. I have a “Ice Cube” cooler we use for work. Two one gallon gatorade jugs fit perfectly in the bottom. So we freeze filtered water in them. Keeps are ice chest cooler, longer, and we have two gallons of filtered water available in an emergency as a bonus!

    • SoapDish says:

      The House needs to state we will fund the shit fuck care, as long as no waivers are given. Every one has to get it, meaning the shit fuck fed slaves! If it’s good for us, then it also is good for every one else, no exceptions. As I see it, nothing more than a dog and pony show.

      I wonder if we will even get a chocolate mint(at least a reach around) for the screwing Americans are about to receive?

      Keep your head in the game, because we all need to be ready for when the time comes!

      B Aware, B awake, B Alive

    • American_Amnesia says:

      Your absolutely right!
      Since a new budgeting process was put into place in 1976, the U.S. government has shut down 17 times. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan each dealt with six shutdowns during their terms in office, lasting anywhere from one day to 2 1/2 weeks.

  2. Unreconstructed Southron says:

    Obaaaaaaaamaaaaaa! Ooobaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    Whaaaaaaaaaaat’s thaaaaaaaaaaaat soooound!?

    • Them Guys says:

      And the ONE Major “FIX” to our money troubles is to do Again what Prez Lincoln did when he began to have the US Treasury dept Issue “GREENBACKS-Dollars” aka BYpassed fed res Rotschild Bankster cabals, and issued US dollars DEBT and INTREST FREE. Read the Proof from the rothschild banksters why such issuance of us debt free money is Great for america and its peoples. But Very BAD for usury/intrest based bankster swindlers.

      All those “European capitalists” are the same Rothschilds and the 300 men, composing the “Hidden Hand”.

      London “Times” in 1865 published this Editorial:

      “If this mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic during the war (1861-1865) should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.

      It will become prosperous beyond precedent in history of civilized governments of the World. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every Monarchy on the globe!”

      That is what the Banksters said about Lincolns Greenbacks dollars which eliminated the Banksters and their usury intrest From the “loop”!

      The $450 million of “greenbacks” then being exhausted, Wall Street (Rothschild) demanded bonds with interest,

      “The hour to stab the Republic had arrived. London sent gold by the million to buy up the ‘Exception clause’ greenbacks for 35 cents on the dollar and to redeem it in U. S. bonds at face value, or 100 cents on the dollar.

      The money mongers of Europe could buy up our money at 35c. a dollar and convert it into a bonded debt against us of 100 cents. Lincoln was opposed to this conversion!.. The assassin’s bullet was in harmony with such diabolical plots.

      But under U. S. Grant, he being either willingly or ignorantly their (bankers’) tool, the work of despoiling the American people began in earnest. The $450 million, ‘Exception clause’ greenbacks were converted into $1,640 million of bonded indebtedness”

      Bismarck knew the truth and revealed it in 1876 to a German, Conrad Siem, who published it (“La Vieille France”, N-216, March, 1921). Bismarck said:

      “The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil “War by the High Financial Power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the “World.

      The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the Jewish financiers, to the vigorous Republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore, they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus to dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic.

      Lincoln never suspected these underground machinations. He was anti-Slaverist, and he was elected as such, But his character prevented him from being the man of one party. “When he had affairs in his hands, he perceived that these sinister financiers of Europe, the Rothschilds, wished to make him the executor of their designs.

      They made the rupture between the North and the South Imminent! The masters of Finance in Europe made this rupture definitive in order to exploit it to the utmost. Lincoln’s personality surprised them.

      His candidature did not trouble them: they thought to easily dupe the candidate woodcutter.

      But Lincoln read their plots and soon understood, that the South was not the worst foe, but the Jew financiers. He did not confide his apprehensions; he watched the gestures of the Hidden Hand; he did not wish to expose publicly the questions which would disconcert the ignorant masses.

      He decided to eliminate the International bankers, by establishing a system of Loans, allowing the States to borrow directly from the people without intermediary. He did not study financial questions, but his robust good sense revealed to him, that the source of any wealth resides in the work and economy of the nation. He opposed emissions through the International financiers.

      He obtained from Congress the right to borrow from the people by selling to it the ‘bonds’ of States. The local banks were only too glad to help such a system. And the Government and the nation escaped the plots of the foreign financiers. They understood at once, that the United States would escape their grip. The death of Lincoln was resolved upon. Nothing is easier than to find a fanatic to strike”.

      “The death of Lincoln, was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots. And Israel went anew to grab the riches of the World. I fear that Jewish Banks with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America, and use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos, in order that ‘the earth should become the inheritance of Israel.'”(israel aka the Khazar fake jews).

      • Them Guys says:

        ROTHSCHILDS’ ORDER TO AMERICAN BANKERS

        To pay the soldiers the Government issued its Treasury notes, authorized by act of Congress, July 17, 1861, “for $50,000,000, bearing NO INTEREST. These notes circulated at par with gold. The Rothschilds’ agents inspired the American banks to offer to Lincoln a loan of $150 million. But before they had taken much of the loan, the banks broke down and suspended specie payments in Dec, 1861. They wished to blackmail Lincoln and demanded the “shaving” of government paper to the extent of 33%, an extortion which was refused.

        A bill drafted for the Government issue of $150 million, which should be full legal tender for every debt in the United States, passed the House of Representatives on Feb. 25, 1862, and was hailed with delight by the entire country. But the “Wall Street bankers were furious.(furious due to zero debt/intrest gets paid to jewish bankster cabal with “greenbacks dollars issued”)

        Sen. Pettigrew reprints the so called “Hazzard Circular” sent in 1862 by the Bank of England (ruled by the Rothschilds):

        “Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power and chattel slavery destroyed. This I (Rothschild) and my European friends (the 300 men) are glad of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of the laborer, while the European (read ‘Rothschildian’) plan led on by England (i.e. the Rothschilds) is for capital to control labor by controlling wages.

        THIS CAN BE DONE BY CONTROLLING THE MONEY. THE GREAT DEBT THAT CAPITALISTS WILL SEE TO IS MADE OUT OF THE WAR must be used as a means to control the volume of money. To accomplish this the BONDS must be used as a banking basis.

        We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury to make his recommendation to Congress (and Read Why banksters Hated greenback dollars)

        It will not do to ALLOW the GREENBACK, as it is called, to circulate as money any length of time, as we cannot control that”.

        (right and because debt free intrest free dollars will Ruin and Remove the bankster tptb cabbal From the entire scene and create more Prosperity than usa citizens ever Dreamed possible! And nobody gets hurt Except for greedy corrupt swindlering jew banksters cabals or tptb as some calls em!).

        The result was that by “hook and crook” the Rothschilds enslaved this country. And Schiffs, Baruchs & Co. are the rulers.(Jacob Shiff, same jew that Gave Trotsky also a jew, $20,Million in Gold, to use in russia to revolt and mass murder hundreds of millions of White gentiles).

        The Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, Mr. Thaddeus Stevens explains how the United States was captured by the Rothschilds:

        “The agents of the banks fell upon the bill in haste and disfigured it”. In the Senate this amendment was tacked upon the bill: “Good for all debts and dues of the U. S. EXCEPT DUTIES ON IMPORTS AND INTEREST on the PUBLIC DEBT”, ($150 million above mentioned, plus $70 million, a pre-war debt).

        “Thus equipped this bill went forth to rob every American and turn the ownership of this nation into the hands of capitalists”.

        When the bill came back to the House, Mr. Stevens said: “We are about to consummate a cunningly devised scheme which will bring GREAT LOSS to all classes of people, except one” (the Rothschilds’ branch of the Wall Street). The bill was passed.

        ROTHSCHILDS OVERPOWERED CONGRESS (1862)

        The Rothschilds were in possession of 80% of the gold in the country. They had a “corner” on gold. By securing this discrimination against the “greenback” by means of the “Exception clause”, they made a market for their gold. (this next time the only Exception caluse usa needs is a clause to except all jewish banksters and boot em out! along with all other kommie members of their tribe)

        “Importers were obliged to go to Wall Street to buy gold to pay duties on their goods, and the Wall Street gamblers held the power to fix the price. Gold went to a premium. Had the greenbacks been permitted to retain their full legal-tender quality, there would have been no need for gold to pay import duties. The price of gold rapidly rose and before the war closed had reached the price of $2.85, measured in greenbacks.

        The gold bought in Wall Street to pay import duties became the revenues of the government and was by it paid back to Wall Street as interest on the public debt. As fast as the bankers sold the gold it was returned for interest on the public debt to be sold again. Thus during the entire war these gold gamblers speculated in gold, making fortunes from the blood and tears of the American people”,

        Two more issues of $150 million each, with the “Exception clause” were authorized in July, 1862 and in March, 1863, making in all $450,000,000. They bore no interest. When these issues were exhausted and necessity arose for additional money the bankers demanded that Treasury Notes should no longer be made in the form of DOLLARS, but in the form of BONDS: the bond draws interest, the dollar does not.

        A gigantic war costing seven billions was carried through without gold. Why? Because everything was supplied at home, and American money, the “greenbacks” were gladly accepted.

        READ THE ABOVE LINE AGAIN!!! “And American Money, the GREENBACKS were Gladly Accepted!! greenback dollars were issued intrest and debt Free, unlike money issued By Fed Reserve PRIVATE jew banksters who Do charge us to “Borrow Our OWN Money from them and PAY to do so!”

        Why should us citizens who OWN america the “Nation” be forced to borrow from jew banksters and then Pay jew banksters $2 billion per Day intrest fees?”

        Do You like jew banksters That Much or What?!

        So there You have it! All this talk and crying “Oh Woe is Us! what Oh What shall we do if a collapse of dollars occures?!!”

        GEE! Hows about we Again copy Lincoln, and Later in 1933 Germans who also Issued Debt and intrest Free cash after Booting Jewish Banksters OUT!!

        America within 5 yrs or Less can be totally debt free, more good pay jobs than we have job seekers for, Prosperity like we never imagianed nor dreamed possible. By simply BOOTING Out Jew banksters cabals, ending usury/intrest, ending debt created cash, and just picture how much better off we all will be when 1/2 of Your Pay each week REMAINS in Your Hands! Instad of going into the pockets of aprox “300-zionist kommie jewish Banksters” who are ALL part of the entire NWO-Rothschild Run Cabal of the Most evil swindler satanic demons to walk this Gods green earth over the last few hundred yrs since the first orig “Mayer aka Rothschild” hung his “Money to LOAN’ Sign out at his german storefront.

        Rothschild’s “Storefront Sign” was a SIX-Pointed-RED(kommie red like kommie flags) Star…Where do you think the israel state jews got the idea for Their Blue Six point Star symbol from?

        • Them Guys says:

          Here is the LINK if you desire to Read the Entire online free Book with that usa civil war “greenback dollars” info and Much, Much More info of everything You were Lied to about from french revolution days, up to the era of 1926 when book was written. Things that Your public schools, MSM’s, Hollywood, and usa fed govnt never wanted You to learn of! Raw Fact based TRUTHS!

          http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Spiridovich/Secret_World_Government/Secret_World_Government_Spiridovich.htm#ROTHSCHILDS_ORDER_TO_AMERICAN_BANKERS

          • Tactical says:

            @Them Guys…. I just want to Thank You for your educated comments that are 100% fact based. For those who gives thumbs down, my suggestion is do research…..go to the archived libraries of the congress and you’ll find the truth. once you educate yourself with historical facts you’ll discover what “Them Guys” is talking about. BTW…we are approaching 2014 but what caused the rise of Soviet Union by the so called champions of Marxism / Leninism back then is just taking place in front of our eyes under different names and strategy. However the backbone of this new way of “People Control” is the exact continuation of the same mind set. Read and you’ll find out who these people are.

            AGAIN…..THANK YOU Them Guys.

            • Them Guys says:

              Tactical: I Must again profusely say, Thank You sir. I truely appreciate a reply like your’s and approval of my postings. I mean that from the bottom of my Heart too. I do not know how long you have been reading here, but I do know that as you stated, I always do recieve Many red down thumbs for most everything I post here.

              Even once when I posted nothing but the word “Test”! it recieved tons of Red Thumbs!

              Not to mention that I have also been subjected to even more nasty, mean spirited, Vile calling of evil names designed to Stiffle debate, silence truth and facts.

              I thibk you know what type evil and vile names I speak of Tactical…Vile names such as “Racist” and “Antisemite” and “Jew Hater” etc…Yet if they would take Your advice and First Read, research, educate themselves prior to such vileness and name calling that is soley designed to envision into Other readers minds, a evil picture of a person(me) that is as bad or Worse then another all time favorite name such stifelers of truth use which is “Child Molester” or “Sex Pervert”.

              Because that mental immage the name callers Intend to portray into the Minds of other readers, many of whom themselves are Not as yet wise to such documented factual truths as I post, is exactly that.

              Whenever a person hears or reads from Any other person or source that someone is being called an “antisemite” or Jew hater, it conjures the same terrible thoughts and mental image as if they called the guy a pervert child molester. All such word’s and name callings are all designed not only in order to stifle debate and halt all forms truth or facts…But an even More Sinister object is at play. That object at play is to Also Utterally Destroy the targeted person being called such vile names.

              Those folks who do that are the same as liberal leftists who seek revenge uopn all foes. They do not ever need meet or know their personal foes to use such tactics of total personal destruction of any person they Hate due to that person, as I do, prints or speaks Facts and Truth.

              And as all who are awake, and are of the thinking person type knows, we have all been Bombarded by vast amount of brainwashings to consider in Particular the “Jew” as the Most innocent, most persecuted, of all persons to ever have lived since Time began, and Adam was created.

              It matters Not to these fools that 99% of all they were taught to think or believe about jews or jewish issues etc has been a systematically Fabricated ongoing agenda to portray jews in such total innocent and so so persecuted when Never, Ever deserving of any such bad treatments.(If thats not true? where are all the museums and memorials to honor persecuted, whites and christians? jews are 2% of population in usa, and every nation jews ever were hosted by they have never been more than 1-2% of total pop,yet in usa alone there is a holyhoax memorial in most every state and large city! and mostly Funded by taxpayer cash! again I ask, Where are such located for persecuted whiteys or christain folk?)

              All that does matter to them is that they Must live up to what has been instilled into their small unwised up minds. That being whenever they hear or read the “trigger” word of Jew, or, jewish, in any way shape or form other than to portray jews as the most innocent and persecuted to ever walk this earth. Then the fools Must instantly respond with their Pre-programed kneejerk reply, hence the use of a most vile method of not just silenceing the writer or speaker, but in fine liberal Hater fashion, as only far leftists are so capable of doing.

              To attempt to totally destroy that person in evey way possible. Destroy credibility of them with friends, family, Jobs, Bosses at work, church members, neighbors and even distant aquaintences they may meet far into the distant future.

              Just look at for example David Duke. 50 yrs ago when a teen still, maybe 18 yrs old at most he joined a group that back then was very popular, the KKK. After all duke lived in Georgia state then! That was a common thread of Many southern men back then 50 yrs ago to join the kkk.

              So ok duke and many other men made a Bad choice. Who amoung Us has never made a human mistake?

              Yet due to that “Mistake” 50 yrs ago as a youth still, even Now today 99% of american folks of every stripe when hearing the name David Duke…Go Ballistik!

              Duke is Rarely invited to appear on a tv show like Fox hannity etc. In fact the Only time he is invited to a special tv show by hannity or Orielly or cnn’s blitzer et al is to Use duke as a scape Goat, so they have a southern White Male to present as a viper, a horrid man, and pure evil racist man of such ill repute etc. And to show the viewers why White males, especialy those of the Southern States, how accurate and proper it is to constantly Bash and destroy all white males.

              Whenever any such tv show hosts introduce such a man they always disregard the Facts that in Dukes case, he not only got Twice or more times Elected to the GA state legislature as a state Rep, but also since 50 yrs past has obtained a PHD in History, amoung many other acolades or degrees etc.

              But the ONLY introduction duke recieves on any tv news show or tv special goes something like this.

              “Hanntiy or wolf blitzer”: Good evening Folks and all viewers in tv land. Tonite is very special! as we have invited a special well known KKK Racist, grand wizard dragon anti negroe, hater of all africans due to darker skin color, fanatical antisemitic jew hater extrodinare…lets give a Huge welcome to the whiteman Racist of all time…Mr David Duke. Now hello david Please describe to Our audience how it feels to be such a terrible hate monger and racist anti negreo jew hater and Leader of white seperatists across america!”

              Some Intro eh!…After That how many viewers will ever think to research info on Duke or maybe look at his Current achievments? Barly 1% “If” hes so lucky!

              Anybody today who is still Blind to such an organized, vile, use of those type name calls and how it is all designed to fully and forever destroy a persons credibility even if it destroys his Family, Job and even very Life…Thats the same type fools who mindlessly kneejerk red thumb down a reply post without ever reading or researching ANY factual Truths.

              They “Feel” emotional feelings of uphoric greatness for so blindly defending and supporting All issues “jewish” and “jews”. To that type fool it is akin to a sexual euphoria and if they can also destroy the speaker or writer that posts info like mine? All the more better!

              Its amazeing we can have so many otherwise wide awake folks as Preppers here, yet they somehow fell thru the proverbial Cracks and Never awoke to the truths and facts as I post info on and Worse yet! They also reject and refuse all links or proofs or documentations, like that “BRETT” guy kept doing yesterday!

              They always say “Oh Now I see and fully Agree with You guys!!!…BUT! or…HOWEVER!!! then they go back to rejection of all we say!

              When one fully Agrees on ANY issue with You or us, there simply are zero Howevers or Buts! Unless they are goofy foolsih Liberals or fanatical defenders of all issues jewish.

              Well that sums up my feelings, and I do mean, Thank You for the approving reply, Tactical..Them Guys

              • Tactical says:

                Them Guys… You are blessed with a God given talent in writing and intellect. No my friend…you are not a “Racist” and “Antisemite” and “Jew Hater” or any other garbage titles the left and thumb downers are using for your comments. To me and many folks like us who believe in the truth and nothing but the truth your are a brother, a true friend and most importantly an educated and well informed human. To me every comment from you gets a million thumbs up.

        • sixpack says:

          Right on target as always. Too bad “political correctness” and Pro-social” behavior will never allow the truth to be widely accepted.

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            Sixpack:

            “The men the American people ADMIRE the most extravagantly are the MOST DARING LIARS; the men they DETEST most violently are those who try to tell them the TRUTH.”

            Quote by H.L.Mencken

            • sixpack says:

              Yep. Agreed. I’m just not one of those people. There have been a couple of times in my life when I would’ve given almost ANYTHING to not have to face the awful, painful truth before me…anything BUT being made a fool of, which is what it is to be lied to.

              I’m nobody’s fool—not even my own.

          • Tactical says:

            Indeed. I truly hope and believe the era of “political correctness” and Pro-social” is coming to an end and the truth will be the law of the land. I sincerely hope so.

          • Them Guys says:

            Tactical: I cannot take any credit as to ‘educated” as I only completed the 8th grade public school when at age 15 yrs I quit school. What I did very swell at is Math and Reading! I devour all I can find to read. From back of cereal box to historic articles like those I post info from. I am able to recognize real truth and will Never shut up about speaking it!

            Christians are supposed to seek and speak truth. And learn to discern which is which, then to reprove and rebuke. To be the Salt of the earth means a two fold thing. Salt to Preserve the good, and salt to sting as when in a wound to force oters to awaken.

            to be the Light in the earth also means to speak truth regardless who dislikes or hates it and regardless whos “feelings” may be hurt by truth.

            If the truth hurts, what do They have to Hide?

            Too many christians today seem to believe christianity is only about feeling good, acting happy, saying stuff to make Others feel happy. And get rich with Jesus while awaiting a pre bad events rapture to safty.

            One would think after hearing of so often millions of fellow christians worldwide NOT being pre-troubles reptured Out of harms way that such nonsense would be less believed today.

            When one considers whats involved in reproving and rebuking wrongs and evils and those who do evils it is not as easy as it sounds. Yet it is a Mandate from the Lord to do so. That today so few of us do so is likly a major reason america is so screwed up.

            Thanks again, sincerally Tactical. You are also a Good man and Brother. Them Guys

      • Excellent history lesson on the international banks and who REALLY runs the world through usury.

        Hang some bankers

  3. Jonny V says:

    We’ve been spent and leveraged to the point that anything might start the collapse ball rolling. These goons that get elected don’t give a damn either. They think that they’re smarter that everyone and that somehow they’ll pull it out at the last minute. They have no fear of playing these “brinksmanship” games, prefer game-playing to making actual progress solving the nations problems and working on behalf of the people. Both parties are equally responsible for this mess, they should all be hanged, every fucking one of them.

  4. Justice says:

    All I have to say is thank God for what I have. I love this country but fear my government. Plan , prep and survive !

  5. unknown suspect says:

    I remember the last shutdown. Carter was in office, Iran was going on, and I was a military brat overseas. The military didn’t get paid that month, things got tight. The military had rumblings of unionizing because of no pay. Congress quickly passed a law making it illegal.

    Carter was the laughing stock of Europe. We had nothing good to say about him, nor did the Europeans.

  6. wrong says:

    The whole “shutdown” is a bunch of bullshit. I say go for it! No more spying on us, no more stupid laws to control us, no more bullshit spewing out of the lying mouths of the fuckwads in washington……

    Gee, I wonder, if there’s a shutdown, does that mean the idiots don’t get paid too? I doubt it!!!

    What a farce. Beyond belief!

    Bunch of fucking clowns

    • wrong says:

      You know, the only time I get pissed enough to swear is when I’m talking about these idiots. They bring out the worst in me…

      Sorry…

      • BlueH20 says:

        We’ve been through this before. YAWN.

        SS paper checks *may* be delayed, but Direct Deposit continues. Those who receive paper checks will gt a lump sum when the dust clears.

        Any salaries are simply paid in full in a lump sum at a later date.

        No one cares. The GOP even passed a bill that continues government funding while defunding Obamacare. The Senate will not vote for it and the POTUS will veto it, so what difference does it make?

        The media and the Dems will blame the GOP. So will the voters.

        As for the healthcare mess, Hillary will campaign on it and on Single Payer and will get elected. This deal has been in the works since 2008. Since it is relatively easy to adjust one’s taxable income (Modified AGI), the next innovation will be a VAT tax to fund the Single Payer. By 2020, everything will cost 2x+ what it does now. The only escape will be preps and reduced consumption and will be temporary. If *revenues* fall low enough, the VAT will be raised. So on, ad infinitum.

        We are on track to be just like the UK within 5 years or so. For a look at what awaits us, watch a couple of episodes of “Shameless” on Netflix. Everyone on some form of benefits, everyone with a street hustle or unreported side income gig, more moral decay, more drink and drugs and, as the title says, no shame at all.

        • OutWest says:

          Wrong — no apologies needed, pardner

          Almost everyone here feels your anger
          and frustration with the hucksters of
          feel good politics.

          Their snake oil politics in a bottle
          may work for the libtards, but then they
          would consider a shock collar fashionable
          jewelry.

          Did you see Obo blathering on the screen
          tonight? He was croaking like a frog
          without his spit and polished speech
          written by his ghost writers.
          Turkey Jerky should be named after him.

      • Man on the inside says:

        … me too and I work for the pricks…..

    • Outlaw says:

      I wish they would shut it down wrong. One thing you can guarantee, should it “shut down”, they will be getting paid nonetheless.

      • Man on the inside says:

        Accually ony essential folks get paid… air trafic controlers, federal cops, milliatary, … stuff like that. Every one else from uper managment and all non essentail folks (EPA, Museums, USDA, FDA, HSS, and so on) get furlouaghed.

        • Outlaw says:

          Define essential Man on the Inside? There is a write up this morning in our local paper about how our local congressman will be returning his pay while the government is shut down, in an attempt to “off-set” the cost of paying his staffers, whom he has deemed “essential”.

  7. Iowa says:

    Noone knows the hour, just have enough oil for your lamps.

  8. NavyVet says:

    Congress is exempt from the furloughs…they are the ones who need to feel the bite not social security or Vets.

  9. Socrates says:

    This is more circus circus…nothing more. Life goes on and yes, the bad guys will still spy on all of us. Here’s a good list of the last seventeen government shutdowns who, what, why and where.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/

  10. Archivist says:

    I bet the NSA doesn’t shut down.

  11. toyzintheattic says:

    shut it down and board it up! go back in a week , turn the lights on one more time, and stomp any roaches left that still scurrying aboout. good riddance!

  12. Ugly says:

    My dollar has collapsed.

    I miss that magician of the 1970s that asked for a dollar and then pulled a $10 bill from behind your ear. We need him today. Maybe it is Bernie and I just don’t recognize him today?

    This time I’ll let the Unions and Dems pay for the health Care that way it becomes affordable for me. Yes, the way today is and the way today is going, it is now all about me.

    Lets talk about Me.

    Lets talk about my free pensions, my free health care, and my free education at the expense of others.

    I will have my new shortwave radio frequency. It will be All About Me.

    Back to work….

  13. Warchild says:

    Shutdown,wheter tomorrow or down the road is inevitable,simple math shows that to be the case.Sure,they can keep printing/rob bank accounts Cyprus style ect. but a real shutdown to a huge degree will happen.This is one of many reasons to be ready,man made or natural disaster.Hell,personally think the best we could do is split the country up in smaller nations with a common defense,and by defense mean defense,not senseless over seas wars/policing the world.This would help those decide if they want to live in a high tax/higher service state or a lower one.This would also keep the lions share of tax money with those that produce it,long term think it would be best strategy in this divided country.

  14. Chilton says:

    I want to see footage of Obama doing his own laundry!

  15. SugarHoneyIceTea says:

    Close it for good, Have a going out of business sale and arrest whoever is left standing…..

  16. aljamo says:

    Meanwhile Israel demands their take from America upped bigtime. These u.s. politicians will fall over themselves granting their every demand, expecting kickbacks into their campaign accounts.

    • Them Guys says:

      Yep! Saw Netanyhaoo on RT tv news tonite at the whitehouse, sitting with hobammy in front of the fireplace scene. Israels Nutty yhaoo is Foaming at Mouth worse then a Rabid infected Pit Bull Dog! Attempting to convince hobammy and All american folk that the main most number one important thing Now, is for the usa to agree to back up and Save israli jews after they blow up Iran into a small dust pile of 100 million dead iranians, Inlcudeing the couple Million Christians who live in Iran!

      Fox Bret Bair had the usual table of 4 seated to discuss/spew. Bret Bair as Host and all 3 others jew zionists. Also Foaming at mouth to Bomb Iran into nothingness.

      Ironic none ever mention anything about Israels 300+ Nukes eh! Nor the FACT israel is the ONLY nuke owner nation to never have signed that UN-Nuke NON Proliferation Treaty!

      Netanyahoo Is the ONLY Loonybin anywheres in entrie mid east regions clammoring to use carpet bombing against any nations anywheres worldwide! Yet Thats totally Ignored by MSM and especially Fox TV Jews…With their constant lower tv screen taped running message with a Yellow ALERT! ALERT! Flashing non stop with all the latest Fox jews alert and all the jews thats fit to spew.

      It is getting difficult to distinguish the difference from “news” to “jews” as thats all fox seems to employ!

      I do not like hobammy at all. But I do like that hes refuseing to bomb iran and hope he rejects all such israeli requests for more wars that benifit israel jews and jewish bansketers on wall street.

      If israel desires to kill and bomb others? Let them send Their sons to die. I am sick of seeing some country music star on fox tv commercials again and again begging for $$$$ for “wounded Warriors”. It is disgusting seeing so many otherwise nice once normal men and women now missing their Legs, Arms, or even their Face burned away entirely. All because usa polititions have ALL been bribed to create more wars to appease talmudic zio jews who Hate all gentiles, not just muslims.

      Anyone who don’t believe that if after all muslims are gone and dead, those same zio jews won’t Then come to exterminate You and Yours?…Please remove your head from your ass. Hates All gentiles means YOU Too!

  17. Gravlore says:

    Less government is better government. Should shut down more of it. Enforcing laws and keeping the peace is what they are there for IMO. Everything else can go.

  18. Be informed says:

    I know it becomes old each month, but Israel is really bitterly complaining about the “smiley” tour of the Iranian leader. The window for an Israeli attack is now until Oct.9. The new Moon Oct. 4. All of this with the BO care, and the default of the U.S. government next month that is still possible will mean NOTHING if Israel acts on their threats. NOTHING.

    First thing that will happen is oil will go up to at least $200 a barrel, more likely past $300. Gas will not longer ONLY cost $3.50 to $4 a gallon, it will go up to AT LEAST $8 a gallon and probably $10 or more. The economy will shut down and all banks will extremely have an extended banking holiday. Stores will no longer have regualr deliveries of food. Martial law may soon thereafter will declared without a single shot fired over here. If the U.S. gets involved in this, then all of this will not even matter.

    Next event after the U.S. helps Israel. Hezbollah and other sleeper cells from Central America and Mexico will likely begin their attack of the U.S. mainland. You might not have to worry much about that for long. After Syria and Iran are hit with not only Israel’s armed forced, but the U.S., China and Russia will likely attempt to protect their vital self interests in the region. Soon after you will see the contrails from the missiles heading north, east, and west for Russian, Chinese and other targets. Then about 10 minutes to 30 minutes later the mushrooms begin to sprout. Watch each day between 4-9 PM until Oct. 9 or mayeb Oct.10 for Israel to possibly do something. Yes, it is that serious.

    • Sierra Dave says:

      If gas goes to $8 or near there. Stack all the canned goods you can. Food prices will soar.

      • Ugly says:

        If it goes to $5 or near there, stack all the canned goods because….

      • Sigi says:

        Stack now: costs are going to rise anyway because Obamacare is not going to be shut down, QE is not going to be stopped, and if not this month, sometime sooner than the expiration dates on your #10 cans, there will be war in the ME. Is your soul ready? Is your health?0

        I just got knocked hard by a germ and feared for my life twice this weekend, with no health insurance and no money to pay out of pocket to see a doctor. Thankfully I know herbs and other home remedies. Do you have knowledge? Get it now!

        • Emily says:

          @Sigi ~ I am sorry to hear that and I hope you are doing better and get back to 100%. If you would like to share your knowledge about herbs and home remedies. Last Wed., I got hit hard with a 24 hour intestinal virus. I was so sick my ribs hurt the next couple of days afterward.

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Sigi
          I’m happy to here you are feeling better. Hate to loose you. You have some good insight and you make me think. We don’t always agree but you have a way to get me to see the other side and that broadens my mind set. Thanks.
          Watch that bug it will come back, my brother had it for almost 3 months. He is now doing fine and just about over it. coughs a little still.
          Parys are still with you.
          Sgt.

    • KingDaddyXxX says:

      Just another Dog & Pony show. nothing New To Read Here Or See. Just a Different Day, Different Month, Different Year, Same Old B.S

    • Sgt. Dale says:

      I pray that you are wrong, but I know it will happen very soon. Just get prepared the best you can. If it dose happen my God watch over you and yours.
      P.S. Crap that will really screw up my wild boar hunt on the 14Th. NUTS! a little humor goes a long way.

    • Everybody, no offense, but you really are paranoid. Why do you think Muslims, Chinese, and Russians are out to get you. Just as long as Americans don’t mess with them, than all is good. But that’s pretty hard, seeing the u.s. bombs Muslim countries and massacres innocent Muslims for natural resources. But again, chill out, no one wants to hunt you.

      I think many here are taking this seriously. I mean there will be a war but not now. People around the world aren’t obsessed with getting revenge on americans. There are millions of Muslims in the u.s. and they are not causing trouble. Just like fort hood and boston there are other massacres like the various shooting sprees around the nation. So people should not single out Muslims and events related.

      On this shutdown, its all a game. They will battle it out, maybe shutdown for a few days, that’s pretty much all. Than a bill most likely will be passed and everything will return to normal. i just think its a distraction. Something may be hidden in the bill.

      A word of advice, prep, but calm down.

      • Them Guys says:

        MOE: Yet You cannot deny that if at any time Muslim leaders demand that every usa muslim join forces to attack inside usa borders or else the muslims who disobey will themselves be outcasted and dealt with severaly, that a Vast Majority of such usa islamics WILL agree and Comply.

        I base that belief on living In and Around Detroit and Dearborn Mich for 43 yrs since born in detroit.

        I was aprox age 13-14 yrs old when I can recall the Very first muslim or arab type person that began to live in Dearborn mich area.

        By the time I Moved out 18 yrs ago to live Up north mich now, the entire city of dearborn, a mid size city of today probobly a quarter million folks, had totally been taken Over entrirly BY Islamic arab muslims.

        Yes it is a mixed bunch of arabs, iraqis, lebbonese etc etc…BUT all share ONE major Trait in common Moe.

        Aprox 95-98% of them all reject All things “western” reject All things “White” and “Christian” etc. They speak-dress-Act as if still in the mid east where they came from. That Includes Most of their kids who are Born IN the usa too.

        EVERY store-bakery-gas station-signs-slogans-etc are Theirs now. Every stores sign no matter what type business it is are wrote in Arabic languages. NONE in english. Unless I kbow it is a bakery shop? I have zero clue what the fuck the sign says in arabic writting.

        They took over city Hall, mayor, Police dept Fire dept and as of 18 yrs ago when I moved away muslims had progressed as Far Out From dearborn all the way to Plymouth mich and farther yet! Thats 35+ Miles Out from where they started out in dearborn.

        Same as Blacks did everywheres muslims take over, all others Leave that area eventually and muslims go farther.

        Why do they seek to come to america and yet reject all of american ways Moe? If they desire the exact same lifestyle as they left behind in mid east? Why did they Leave there?

        The muslims are being added to the negroes-mexicans-chinese-and any Other Non whites I may have neglected to mention because all such races or groups stick to Their own group and reject absorbing Our white american christian based Culture period.

        They are all going along with a subversive agenda of kommies to totally destroy that white christian based culture so whites will be Easy Prey for the kommies. And I expect once the main command is given, muslims like mexicans and african blacks are going to be Against all whites.

        I KNOW what I say as I seen it since it first started 45+ yrs ago Moe…So yes perhaps “now Today” none are a problem or troubles “Yet”…Key word being “YET”.

        • clark says:

          Man, Them Guys. You sound exactly like those who were worried about all the Germans in the Midwest, before and during WWII and WWI, what with their German language schools and all.

          And further back, you sound just like the people who freaked out about all the Catholics coming to America’s shores.

          Yep, history sure does rhyme.

          “Our white american christian based Culture”?

          Is that the one that dropped two atomic bombs on a country that had surrendered? The one filled with Christian nuns and American POW’s?

          Or is that the one that fire bombed civilians in Dresden?

          Oh, wait, you must be talking about the one that wiped out the Native American Indians?

          You say the trouble started 45+ years ago?

          Really?

        • As long as the u.s. doesn’t bomb more Muslim countries, tensions will cool down. Not one side is desperate to fight another war in the Middle East.

          Muslims have every right as White people to be here in the united states. Americans came here as immigrants and kicked the indians out. So technically, americans stole this land.

          I believe people can come here as long as they don’t cause trouble.

      • clark says:

        “Normal”? What’s this word you speak of? “Normal”?

        After injecting Trillions of Dollars into an economy, there’s no longer any, “normal”.

        I’m not sure there ever was a “normal”.

        Certainly not since the 1970’s.
        Probably not since the 1800’s.
        Or even 1776.

        The rabbit hole goes deep.

  19. Ordinary Average Guy says:

    We have reached this point by allowing politicians to remain in office after it became obvious they were only there to help themselves. Corruption and cronyism….greed and blatant illegal activities. Not public service but self service. Oust them all, start fresh…and hold their replacements personally and physically accountable for their actions. If the country can survive to reach that point.

  20. Jim (Another Jim) says:

    One note to your article. The Post Office will not be defunded because we are not funded at all by the government. The Post Office is self sufficient, or at least we would be if those bastards in Congress would leave us alone and let us do what we need to do, cut the fat. There are way too many chiefs and non productive people in the PO. The only problem is that we cant lay someone off due to some stupid congressional law thanks to those stupid incompetent senators who make up the review board. Do you know why we are in the red? It is due to the billions of dollars they want us to put away for the retirement of FUTURE employees. There is already enough money in the retirement fund to cover current employees. DO you know why they want us to do this? Because we are the only agency associated with the government who makes money. One day I will be told, sorry sir we don’t have any retirement money because the government STOLE it. We are nothing more than their future cash cow. Ok rant over. Keep prepping my friends and hang on for the wild ride that is headed our way

    • Brandon Smith says:

      Unfortunately, the Post Office WILL see defunding. The organization has been receiving quiet stimulus injections from the Federal Government due to its expansive debt problems:

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bailout-postal-service-begins-cost-taxpayers-110000-vote-saved-or-gained

      It may not close operations, but they will be forced to make cuts to certain offices around the country. It is NOT a self sustaining business model.

      • Jim (Another Jim) says:

        No, you are right Brandon. It isn’t sustaining because of the government’s interference. If they would let us run it like a business, it could be. There are people sitting on their butts right now at processing plants that have been closed down, and because congress wont let the PO lay them off, they collect a paycheck while watching movies. There is no need for a postmaster that makes 75000 a year at a small post office when a clerk making 50000 a year can do their job and the postmasters at the same time. Or make the postmaster run 3 small offices. The no sat delivery would be a huge saver, but congress keeps holding it up. There are hundreds of middle management people who don’t create any income, yet chase numbers and collect 100,000 a year doing it. The clerks and carriers are the bread winners, and they keep cutting our hours and try to use us to save money.

        • clark says:

          “If they would let us run it like a business,”?

          You mean, if it wasn’t a monopoly and they had some competition?

          That kind of business?

        • Postal service is mandated by the Constitution.

          Why are they required to fund pensions out to 75 years? You are right Jim…another cash cow to contribute to the Fed pension funds that will now be dipped into to keep the circus running.

          I believe the Post Office can be self sustaining if the rules for postage increases were changed. Like you say, run more like a business. Lay off the excess fat and lean ‘er down.

  21. KimBeanie says:

    Why has no one brought up the fact the ObamaCare is a direct violation of the 13th Amendment? The Involuntary Servitude section was to prevent the very thing that is happening. Go back and read the arguments for putting Involuntary Servitude into the 13th Amendment. It will open your eyes! Obamacare creates indentured servatude. You purchase from the company store. It is NOT a TAX if you pay a ‘Insurance company’ your so called tax. Only government can tax. Can you say FRAUD? While you are checking on the arguments of the 13th., read pages 113,496 through 114,201 of the 1994 GATT Agreement we passed into law. It state we will have this so called affordable healthcare installed and operational by 2015.

  22. Be informed says:

    @ Anon. You asked how to see the earthquakes and where they are likely to occur using a globe and a tape measurer or piece of string. Treat the globe as you would like a basketball, let the entire string or tape go from one point all the way around the globe like some measuring the circumference of a near round object. You will see how the curve takes the tape or string around where you wouldn’t think it would go. Future earthquakes follow this arc, give you take a few degrees sometimes off the path.

    For example, take the Reykjanes Ridge earthquakes of last week and put the tape or string as flat as possible on the globe and connect New Zealand with this and you will see how the path travels through the New Madrid fault and down through Central Mexico. If you conect it all away around the world it should also travel right through the Red Sea region. These are areas that could be sending energy waves back to the Reykjanes Ridge. These areas are possible places for earthquakes, as shown with the 6.7 that just hit far north New Zealand like it should have. Always keep the string or tape as flat as you can on a globe and even if it travels over the poles.

    I also use past earthquake activity wheneever these plate boundaries have these earthquakes. Then I cross section the energy arcs to try to triangulate the most likely places to have a major quake. The earthquake on the S. Mid Atlantic Ridge showed 2 mega quakes, the one in Chile and Japan that occurred after this same spot was hit. I have not seen this before. If you connect that spot in the Atlantic, using a tape or string on a globe with Chile and then Japan you can see the other potential areas around this arc where a mega quake could soon hit. India Himalaya region is directed connected, again using a globe, from point A- Atlantic Ridge, Point B- Chile , Point C- Japan, Point d- India. There is a potential for this region to a have a super mega quake. As in 9.6 or maybe tops 9.7. This could cause serious problems with the rest of the plates of the world, especially the Asian/North America plates that the San Andreas, New Madrid, and Cascadia ride of the North American plate. Something to watch, as the new North Mid Atlantic Ridge quake today says more major earthquakes to follow by Oct.17, almost a 100% chance of this.

  23. Ugly says:

    Americans!

    The POTUS says:

    Look up,
    Look down,
    Look at my thumb,
    Gee your dumb!

    Next.

  24. candle in the wind says:

    The shut down will happen, although it is not really a shut down but just a temporary furlough of some non-essential departments. It would only become a problem if lasting more than 2 weeks. The debt ceiling limit is a more important economic issue for our credibility. The big banks and Wall street have already raped our money supply with the Federal Reserve as captain of the pirates. They are all rolling in the money they took from working people and frankly a down turn or even a collapse would only serve to end their party but still leave them with enough to choke on.
    This (October) is another one of those very interesting times in which we are going through a higher probability of something serious happening. Most of you already know of all the equipment, arms, ammunition, food and water reserves, and training that the government has preposition to be ready about now and of course the grid down exercise on 13th and 14th just adds weight to the statement from big sis Janet. If you feel you need another fire arm, or solar panel, or more of a particular caliber of ammunition, etc., and can afford it, I would get it very quickly. If we get passed Thanksgiving with no serious event, then we could back off to the normal level of always being prepared in a waiting mode.

    • Cowdoc says:

      History of financial crisis would point to March of 2014 as the favored time. This will depend on how destructive Obamacare is to the Christmas economy. We could easily see a December shut down if the economy is on the ropes. Martial law will follow soon after a real crash. The stupid low information sheeple will embrace it. All the evil things predicted on this site will happen.

    • durango kidd says:

      The current market charts since the crash are in LOCKSTEP with 1987. Just saying, lightening does sometimes strike twice.

      keep Prepping. 🙂

  25. president Obama is a good man. He inherited a huge deficit & national debt.
    Naturally people will still get paid.
    Yes government will still operate. There is no way politicians will allow this to go on too long.
    god bless usa

    • Ordinary Average Guy says:

      He’ll make a fine EX president..focus on EX. Since he inherited a huge deficit why didn’t he do something about it instead of adding to it by almost 100%. It was a campaign promise he made. While we are at it lets have an EX congress to hang out with him during his retirement.

    • CrabbNebulae says:

      Please show us the proof that obama is a good man. Show all of us examples of his goodness and good works. Sorry to bust up your pimple minded beliefs but president Obama is NOT a good man. Obama is a liar and a thief and by proxy a murderer. Good men don’t lie and steal.

      • Sigi says:

        He also used the term “tea baggers” to refer to the good people of this nation who want to return to the constitutional model of this country. He is without honor, integrity, kindness, class and good will. He is not a good man.

        God did bless America and what did wee do in return? Maybe too many people deserve His wrath for Him to bless us any further? Or maybe it’s just time for evil to win for their “time, times and a half a time” before He returns?

      • Smokey says:

        The most divisive president in the last 100 years, bar none.

    • Sgt. Dale says:

      Kev.
      You are right he did. The problem is that he knew what he was getting into when he was running. Just like a used car you buy. You know what it has to be repaired, and you repair them. You don’t blame the former owner!
      B.O. also said if he can’t get it done in 4 years he would only serve 4 years. Just one of so many lies. If by some chance you think things around you are better you might what to check the real numbers and speak with the folks that have jus given up.
      49% of the US is on food stamps up over 20%+ from the start of time of time in office.
      He has been office for almost 6 years now and the country is going down the SHITTER!!!! This clown should be in Jail. “Gun running, IRS spying, TSA sticking their hands in your pants, Bengazi, just to name a few.
      It should be a large G in God and USA!!!
      God bless you and yours, and the USA.
      SGT.

    • The Old Coach says:

      You forgot the /sarc off html tag.

    • TheAnswerIs42 says:

      kev? same kev from SB?

  26. It’s obvious that it is meant to further hurt the american people, and at the same time will not affect them at all! Obongo et. al have to hurry the U.N. agenda along, and it seems that he is pulling out all the stops to accomplish this mandate. The “October” surprise, won’t be a surprise to any of them! Pray up – stock up – and watch!

  27. Sgt. Dale says:

    SHUT IT DOWN “PLEASE” If they shut down the Gov. almost nothing will be closed down. This whole thing is B.S. another Dog and Pony show!!!
    B.O. needs to be put in his place!!! We The People needs to stand up and say NO MORE TAX NO MORE TAX NO MORE TAX!!!!! Obamacare is nothing but a TAX.
    If they shut it down we will find that the things they shut down WE DON’T NEED ANY WAY. Please shut it down until Nov 2014.
    What they need to do is shut it down and not pay the Congress or the president. notice I spelled president with a small “p”. That is how much respect I have for the corrupter an chief. All the crap like gun running, Bengazi, IRS spying. Just to name a few. He should be in jail.
    I’m prepares! Are you? If not you might want to start NOW!

  28. teen_prepper says:

    Does anyone have any suggestions of what type of dried goods to store and how to store them to maximize shelf life? Thanks!

    -teen_prepper

    • best dried goods are ammo
      and to maximize shelf life run a few magazines out each month, as long as you have already replaced what you will consume
      😉

      • Southern Border says:

        My 9MM likes a good diet of FMJ’s & JHP’s, seams to keep himself full at all times !!!

        • BackSpace says:

          @Teen_Prepper & Anyone Else,

          For beans I buy “par-boiled dehydrated”… par-boiled cooks up faster, thus less fuel used to cook… ~BoNuS~

          The older the bean the “harder” they are and takes longer to cook…

          Example:

          Awhile ago I got out some 10+ year old beans to make bean dip… approx. 2 lbs… Put them in an elec “pressure cooker” covered with water…

          It took 3 (three) 45 minute cycles, after each cycle adding more water to get those dang things cooked..

          That’s 2 1/2 hours in a “pressure cooker”, how long would it take to soak and cook… possibly over a campfire…. Gawd… I don’t even want think about it…Won’t go there…

          Something to think about…

          BS

          • This is something I have wondered about.

            I know Rick in Oregon cooked up 2 year old beans with no problem.

            How were yours stored? I have older beans, peas, etc. that are re-sealed in airtight bags, but I have also heard that old beans take forever to re-hydrate.

            I’d hate to have to use them all up now.

      • Facebook Page says:

        So with your suggestions you just created another “I’ll just take it from someone jackass”.

        Great help. You turned what’s shame.

    • Sgt. Dale says:

      Teen
      I like Wise food, and Honeyville, but that is my choice. My brother like Mountain House. There is a lot of good companies out there.
      Look at some web sight on the NET and you will find a lot of fine companies out there.
      If you order this stuff it will take time to get it.
      so go to the store and buy some canned Veg, Meat, Fruit. These will last you a long time. It is your call but I just opened a can of peas that I had set aside in 1999, and found it to be just as good as a can from 2011.
      Get some bags of sugar, salt, rice and beans. Store them in a air tight container. So mice and air will not get to them.
      The biggest thing you need is WATER PURIFICATIONS EQUIPMENT. Iodine, Bleach will help to purify your water. READ UP ON IT TO SEE HOW TO DO IT. Too much can kill you.
      Solar yard lights will charge your AA and AAA batteries and will give you some light at night in your house. Get the ones with white lights not yellow doesn’t work well in the house. The spot light works the best just shine it at a mirror.
      Do it today because tomorrow might be Too Late. GOOD LUCK!
      Sgt.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sgt, how can solar yard lights charge your batteries??

        Also, concerning the bleach…I’ve read that if it is more than 2 years old, don’t use it to purify water because its no longer any good. The problem is, chlorox bottles no longer put expiration dates on the bottles so you don’t know how old the stuff is!!

        About iodine, the taste, I heard is horrible. A remedy for the awful taste is to mix it with vitamin C… that’s from a website about this guy who travels to Africa and uses only Katadyn water filters and prefers Puri tablets (with cholorine) to purify his water… the problem is, I can’t find these “puri whatever” tablets.

        • Archivist says:

          You have to take the solar light apart. I just took one of mine (a cheap one from the dollar store) apart. It has a 4-pin integrated circuit, a resistor, and an LED on a tiny circuit board. This is connected with blue and white wires to the solar cell. It is connected with black and red wires to an AAA NiCad battery.

          This means that you can remove the battery and insert other AAA batteries to be charged. Also, you can wire the battery holder terminals to any other 1.5V rechargeable battery. When you set it in the sun, I would cover the battery so it wouldn’t get too hot. I suppose 8 or 9 solar lights could trickle charge a 12V battery. It would take a long time though.

          I think what you want is Puri-Safe water purification tablets. A website that sells them is:

          www dot evergreenadventure dot com/product/1533/Puri-Safe-water-purification-tablets.html#.UkoLST__QSk

          (replace dot with .)

          As far as the bleach goes, it does break down and eventually becomes salt water as the chlorine escapes. It can take much less than 2 years depending on where it’s kept. Whenever you buy anything that has no expiration date, you should add the date you bought it using a black marker. I have found that the dates are hard to read on some products, so I mark them also.

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Solar yard light have a AA or AAA batteries in them. Just remove them after about 5 hours of direct sunlight and put in a rechargeable AA or AAA battery back in them for the remainder of the day. I’ve been doing this for about 5 years now. We had a Tornado strike our area and we were out of power for about 6 days. I used these light to light up my house for that time period.
          I took a solar light apart one day and found that it just runs on AA and AAA batteries.

        • sixpack says:

          @Anonymous, don’t believe everything you read.

          The reason bleach doesn’t have an expiration date is because it does not expire in any practical amount of time, nor is it consumable. I’ve had arguments around here with people who think it disappears from the bottle and quits working after a certain period of time.

          If nothing else, it concentrates with age. I’ve had bleach over a decade old and it was still bleach (although it burnt the hell outta my carpet when I spilled some of it). If you put bleach in your preps, it will sit there unharmed for years if unopened.

          Anyone say any different, they are just trying to be know-it-alls. Do your own thing and be unafraid…just prep and forget the idiots.

    • Sigi says:

      You might want to check out Paratus Familia blog, Survival Mom, Survival Blog and others for large libraries of that sort of information. I have a book from the 1970’s I’ve been using- it is out of print and there are better resources available, but it’s what got me started (Basic Four and More).

      The key to storing anything dried is to keep things dry and protected from the air. Look up “dry canning” as one way to vacuum seal well-dried foods.

    • Pissed Off Granny says:

      Teen Prepper:

      Go to the sites that sell food storage and there you will find all the free information you are looking for. The advertisers on this site is a good start.

    • KY Mom says:

      teen_prepper,

      Store basic dried goods such as beans, wheat, powdered milk, oats, and rice. When stored properly, they will keep for years. Store the food in sealed containers in a dark and cool place. (Basements stay cool and many store food there.)

      See the lds website below. I thought only Mormons could order from here, but apparently that is not true.

      They sell hard red wheat, white wheat, flour, rice, quick oats, and pinto beans in #10 cans, by the case. (There are 6 #10 cans in each case.)

      Buy have a starter kit for $31. This includes wheat, flour, rice, oats & pinto beans. They also sell oxygen absorbers, dry pak pouches, water filtration bottles, water filters, and some other basic items.

      Prices are very reasonable. Shipping is free.

      See the link below.
      http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category3_715839595_10557_21158_-1_N_image_0

    • 4 year prepper says:

      4 year prepper says:
      @teen__ prepper
      I get the bulk of my supplies from beprepared.com and honeyvillegrain.com. Pleasanthillgrain.com has several lines of canned meats, cheese, butter, ghee, canned bacon, etc., none of which is cheap but very good food and long shelf life.
      I have used all of the above mentioned products.
      Beprepared.com has a lot of freeze dried and dehydrated which will stretch 3 times further than canned vegs. altho it is wise to have those on hand too.
      Their products come in #10 cans already for long storage. Just mark the purchase date on the can so you can know how old it is getting. Most are from 10 years to 25 years. Canned soup, meats, fruit, dry milk, etc. are important too.
      As pissed off granny mentioned, this site will help you a lot also, especially Tess’s “The Preppers Cookbook”.
      I have that book and most of the recipes and how-to’s are the best.
      You came to the right place to get all the help you need. Everyone on this site is eager to help other preppers
      I lean toward having dehydrated onions, potatoes, carrots, and celery and any canned meat we like. You can make a big pot of stews, casseroles etc. with these few simple ingredients. Very baland so be sure to stockpile lots of seasonings spices and extra water.

      4yp

    • Smokey says:

      Best food staples are beans, rice, unprocessed wheat. Store in airtight containers if you have them. Our local doughnut shop puts out their empty buckets of glazing, etc., for $1 each, they’re pretty good.

      Store in cool, dry place, not damp or cold.

      You can get the big cans of dried foods at WalMart or other places, get some of the dried vegetables and fruits, and the dried milk. It’s not expensive.

      Rotate your canned stuff in and out.

      • Smokey says:

        Forgot to mention salt, sugar, and honey. These keep essentially forever. A year’s supply of each of these is about 20 pounds per person, at minimum, and salt is used for more than seasoning, so double that amount.

        Spices are also a necessity, to flavor bland food.

    • Paranoid says:

      Big question, short fast answer, there are lots of lists out there, just start looking, try LDS Church. But assuming you want to start fast and cheap; some things last nearly forever: Sugar, White Rice, Bouillon, Salt, COCOA powder, unground Pepper, TVP, baking powder, Wheat. Kept dry and cool, they can last longer than you do. Notice you have all the ingredients to make bread and other stuff except fats and oils, they do go bad in a few years, A good old cookbook is also useful and a grain grinder. Go buy big bottles of vitamins, Ibuprofen, antiacids. Figure out what you need for water and you are already ahead of 95% of the people. Cheap Good luck

      • clark says:

        From what I’ve read, stay the hell away from Ibuprofen and antiacids. That shit’ll kill ya.

        • Paranoid says:

          Well the antacids I keep are just crushed limestone, I suppose you could hit somebody on the head with a large chunk and hurt them, but with the tablets you would have to whack the Hxxx out of them for a long time. With the painkillers, I don’t know of any of them I’d recommend by the thousands, but you can bet hurts and other stuff are going to show up big time in a SHTF condition and I’d suggest you be ready. I’d rather grow my own poppies but the DEA frowns on them, and I don’t know where to get seeds.

    • Kulafarmer says:

      Dried fruit and nuts
      Dry grains
      Get a Lehmans own grinder from Lehmans (is inexpensive but works)
      Learn how to make rustic breads and tortillas, actually kinda fun too.
      With the fruits and nuts stick em in a seal a meal bag with an oxygen absorber and a silica gel pack then vacuum seal i usually do that then seal a few of them into another bag,
      The grains you can buy already sealed 5 gal buckets
      I like white wheat, corn, and white rice
      All can make flour or tortillas and all last a long time
      Fruit and grains are the hardest to grow but are good staples
      Get a good 16″ cast iron skillet
      TP
      TP
      Check out Rawles Survival Blog
      Lots of good stuff on JWRs site

    • Babycatcher55 says:

      Read 52 weeks to preparedness by Tess Pennington. She has lists of things to get and ways to prepare.

    • Highspeedloafer says:

      I am big on dry beans and rice. Any canned goods will do also. Don’t forget to buy some seed for your garden. I place all of my dry goods in 5 gallon buckets from Home depot. Mylar bags will keep them for 25 years or more.

    • durango kidd says:

      Teen prepper: Check with your local LDS Church. Ask for direction there. They have all the answers for food prep.

      Good luck! 🙂

  29. maybe my name is larry the walmart guy says:

    I work at WalMart, I stock food on the isles, yes it is part time. I used to work at the phone company, was laid off, I graduated college. I took an exam to get my job at the phone company that 300 others could not pass. Anyway, here I am, I did this on purpose, kinda like our government and those that want our destruction do things on purpose. My purpose was to be close to the food that I know will be worth more than all your gold or ammo combined. I have figured out ways to take this food almost for free, not stealing, but paying attention to the sales and knowing the prices. I developed a system to figure prices and when they will be at their lowest this gives me an advantage of when to buy(I can hide them in the back) The products I am picking and buying have a long shelf life and also if you do go past a little longer than the expiration date, they may be rubbery, but they will still be edible. It beats gnawing on your daughters legs. Also WalMart also sells dry storage foods now, so I can use my employee discounts and get the best deals that I can from them. I also use it as a place to gauge the system(Amerika) to see if I can find some inside information about something that the government is planning or whatnot. And YES they are, they just recently sent a memo to all the store managers, the government? Why would the government do that? Duh! Anyway, I have not been able to get a copy of it. I have seen it from far away, and I acted as if I am uninterested. I hope that soon, when the eye in the eye at Walmart is preoccupied with some idiot shoplifter, I will be able to print out that memo. I will share it.

    • Anonymous says:

      Larry-the-Walmart-guy, you sound as sneaky as I am. Are you by any chance a Scorpio? (Ha!)

    • My Walmart sells freeze-dried “survival” food buckets and ammo. Honestly, I would be lying if I said that I didn’t think about doing exactly what you are before. It’s a brilliant idea. Congrats on acting on it!

      Side note: I did manage to get a bunch of packages of beans for approx $0.25 each on clearance there. They don’t expire until 2016 I believe. Anyone could and probably should look at the clearance food when they go to the store.

    • Emily says:

      Thank you for sharing Larry.

    • clark says:

      That was interesting to know, larry the walmart guy.

      However; there’s lots of us that no longer shop there.

      That whole, ‘love-in with Big Sis’ and all.

      See something, say something? Yeah, we saw something, a big assed sellout company embracing fascism.
      \
      No thanks.

  30. st.augustine says:

    Just say no to mammy care,it’s an easy thing to do.
    The supposed fine is $95 the first year,after that the program will be elimanated in my humble opinionated view.

    • Sgt. Dale says:

      YOU MAKE A DAMN GOOD POINT!

    • Id really like to know how theyre gonna fine people for not getting a product that they don’t want/need when they are giving other people all kinds of exemptions/waivers and pardons….one thing we are supposed to have is equal representation under the law(I know but humor me)…why should Amish and Indians and union members and govt workers and so on… be given a carveout that others don’t get and then those who don’t get it get fined?….I know…I know…law and equality and all those nobel ideas don’t apply to them and they operate outside it but just on a basic level…what if millions refused to pay the fines….refused to even try to comply? I mean it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that this thing is unlawful…regardless of what John Roberts says or what any of the retards in the govt say….

      • JayJay says:

        If you don’t have coverage and you’re not in one of the groups that is an exception to the rule, you’ll pay a penalty. You may not be required to purchase health insurance if you:

        Face financial hardships.

        Have been uninsured for less than three months.

        Have religious objections.

        Are American Indian.

        Are a prison inmate.

        Are an undocumented immigrant.

        • durango kidd says:

          Or if you are a Viet Nam Vet, you do not have to sign up for O’Bummer Care. Of course, most Vets would have to go to the VA. If you can afford it, try Panama for $100 a month.

          Theirs is a program to emulate. 🙂

    • Shootit says:

      SS No. is the main problem. SS will not be there in 15 years and considering opting out. Opting out of the franchise. It is possible. Just weighing all options. Opt out of the franchise/corp. and Obuttheadcare is meaningless. If everyone would opt out they would be… well screwed.

    • old guy says:

      Im not gonna participate. I have no idea what the fine will be or what will be deemed as punishment, I just know I have only been to the doctor a few times and at present my health care cost are zero.

  31. Jack says:

    I disagree, sooner or later the US Gov. can not continue on this current course, it will run out of money. The social system used to be run locally, when some lay about did not want to support himself, he was not supported with SNAP/EBT payments from DC, it was the local community that had to support him. The Town Overseers of the Poor. Those that were in need were taken care of, those who could work but did not want to, had to choose between starving or working. Because the money to support them was taken by property taxes from their neighbors.

    There is still some wealth in the land, but the US government is continuing to mis-allocate it for social programs. Because many reasons including the fact that the current regime is preventing wealth creation, there is little if no economic growth. the longer this goes on the more money that goes to the Govt. the less wealth for the rest of the country.

    A long term shutdown at this point will force a re localization of social programs, back to state and local governments. While there is still some wealth in the hinterlands, in a decade or so when the system finally collapses on its own, it will do so only after absorbing the wealth of the local communities, keeping the Federal spending train on track will only help DC, the Imperial city of Bread and Circuses will enjoy prosperity while the rest of the country becomes a mere shadow of itself, one big Detroit.

    At that point, in the near future, when the federal social system collapses there will be no local resources to fall back on. It will, like the Roman Empire after the fall of Rome, shatter the country, the disparate parts will have to depend on their residual wealth and it that has all been diverted to the Imperial City (DC)

    • yep, they are about to waste a shit ton of money on Detroit, where you know it will not get spent where it should, and will no doubt be squandered and pilferd by the politicians , and the greedy, and end up doing nothing for jobs, or the citizens of that area, and do nothing to create long term viability

      just a nother pacifier for a broken government and do nothing mother fuckers

    • Montana Max says:

      @ Jack Says
      17 trillion debt…..We ran out of money long ago !

    • clark says:

      “The Town Overseers of the Poor.” – Ha. What a title.

      Also, you wrote, “A long term shutdown at this point will force a re localization of social programs, back to state and local governments.”

      How about it reverts back to where it almost always has been historically: back to individuals, charities and churches?

      Or, maybe that’s what you meant?

    • Slick One says:

      I want to see those WIC checks, AFDC checks, Section 8 Housing vouchers, Ebt cards……STOP! And when the rioting occurs time for homeland security to step in and use those FEMA camps for something useful!

  32. The Old Coach says:

    Do it now, or do it later. It’s not a question of what will happen, it’s only a matter of when. And the longer we wait, the worse it gets.

    • Paranoid says:

      I used to think that Coach; But I have decided I was wrong. What possible difference does it make if we go down owing 17 Trillion or 18 Trillion? Actually it’s 200 T or 300 T, but who cares? Just like anyone else that goes bankrupt, they cannot pay even 1 cent on the dollar. Nothin is nothin

  33. 4 year prepper says:

    Off topic:

    I have seen a numerous amount of white fuzzy caterpillars approx. 1 inch long all over the place, including crawling up my storm doors, porches, all in the grass—-with black heads.
    What are these critters and are they poisonous?.
    I live in NC and have not noticed this before except for bag worms in my peach trees, which I remove or burn out.

    Are fuzzy worms a sign of a bad winter? I am real careful not to come in contact with them.

    4yp

    • yental says:

      They are “web worms”, and right or schedule. Fruit/nut bearing trees and other varieties have much more to fear than you. They make huge webs and devour the leaves. No bite or sting, just a potential detriment to desirable trees.

      Moth larvae with a voracious appetite. Here in Texas, Pecan trees are the primary target.

      • yental says:

        Trust me 4yp, these are web worms and totally harmless to anything other than tree leaves.

        Every snake is not a threat…but every snake is considered a threat. Web worms are harmless to humans. Other than potential food supply via producing orchards.

        Contact your local agricultural or wildlife specialist…they will confirm this assessment.

        I have a “minor” in wildlife biology.

    • Archivist says:

      I would stay away from fuzzy worms. I saw a photo of someone in my area that touched one, and he had large welts all over his chest. I don’t know what kind of worm, just that it was fuzzy.

      Winter conditions are supposed to be foretold by woolly worms. They are about 2 inches long, about the size of your little finger, black at each end and brown in the middle. The smaller the brown band, the colder the winter will be. I haven’t seen any yet this year, but if I do, I will take notes and see how the winter turns out. I hear it’s going to be a bear anyway.

  34. Southern Border says:

    HOLD the line boys, don’t cave in at the last hour this time !!! Have to show them that the people mean business this time !!! Yea right ole Boner will cave & kiss his ass right before shutdown whatcha wanna bet ???

  35. Southern Border says:

    Like others have said, just another smoke & mirrors show, aint gonna happen, they’ll just tell ole Bernanke to add more ink & paper so he can keep printing & just kick the can a little further down the road as they always do what else is new !!!

  36. although it sounds good on paper, they will never in a situation like this pull the plug on EBT or SNAP..

    they should, and get this party started, but they wont.. because they are cowards and they know what can of woop ass they would be opining up, deserve what they would get out of this yes, but unfortunately the general public will also pay for their stupidity with the civil unrest it would cause.

    they know that liability is theirs to own , and it scares the shit out of them, as it should.

    hey we didn’t start this fire.. but I think we dam sure should snuff it out

    • sixpack says:

      I see people all the time saying EBTers are gonna “open a can of whoopass” when they lose their benefits—yet at the same time, none of us “preppers” seem to be ready to open the same can, unless it is against stupid, medicated losers…we don’t even finger the seams when thinking about this corrupt gov and the NWO. THEN, we worry about being set up for martial law, so we try to avoid the idea of “opening some whoopass”.

      Why is that?

      • clark says:

        @sixpack, because we’re not aggressive bullies.

        You ever get in a fight with a bully that taunted you trying to get you to take the first swing when the principle/teacher/whatever was standing behind you watching from a distance?

        It’s like that.

  37. ponomo says:

    Obama has become somewhat of a football that needs to be punted.

  38. Southern Border says:

    I still say that they are set on starting a war in the middle east to get things going and from there all hell is going to break loose. They just got caught with their pants down by the Russians before they could loose the missiles so they now have to rethink their next move & thus the delay that’s all. In the meantime they have to have something else for everyone to be fixated on thus the gov shutdown situation ! All BS I think !!!

  39. Pissed Off Granny says:

    Kev:

    I guess I will waste us posters time here by asking:

    WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA IS A GOOD MAN?

  40. Anonymous says:

    (I’m one of two “Anonymous” s who post here).

    Obama SEEMS like a good man. He sounds very trustworthy. He looks at you with those big brown eyes and you swear he has your best interest at heart.

    HOWEVER…his actions are deplorable! He has done one or two good things, but mostly he’s turned our country into a police state. He’s hypocritical, lies like a dog… and doesn’t the Bible say that by their fruits ye shall judge them? He works for the Big Banks, the elite. And that’s it. He is destroying our country.

  41. Gonetoolong says:

    What is funny to me is that everyone is so scared of what will happen if the government shuts down. This (at 17 trillion in debt) is only a small taste of what it will be like at…say…27 trillion. It is also interesting that people are scared of this event were it to happen today, when it will indeed happen at some point in the future. Shitty/scary times are on our path. Do people really think we can go on forever without paying the bills? Or do they think we are actually all of the sudden going to increase our GDP to the point where we pay things off?

  42. Anonymous says:

    Paul Craig Roberts has already predicted a collapse will occur this fall– October. And he said it will be because of the issue stated above.

  43. Pissed Off Granny says:

    Anybody see Bill O’Reilly on Beck today? Beck’s question was how did O’Reilly see our government being run in the future.

    O’Reilly’s answer was by a group of elites and then there would just be “the rest of us”.

    Oh,ya! He also said the way the country would go is if the leader of the elites was a bad guy or good guy.

    Seems to me he is a day late and a dollar short. The elites have already got their leader and he is “a bad guy”.

    Gotta love old Bill; always looking out for da folks….yep, looking out for the folks alright; just not us folks. And he gets more egotistical by the day.

    • Gonetoolong says:

      Used to watch him almost religiously (ashamed to say). Now we make sure to turn the channel if his ass is on. Talk about an asswipe..

    • Horse'sass says:

      I must agree. Bill O’Reilly really thinks he is hot shit. His show is so phoney it makes me sick. Glenn Beck is a woman, I don’t care what his message is, I can’t stand him either. Where the hell are the real men in this country? Answer: not in politics or on MSM, that’s for sure.

      All the MSM capitalizes on sensationalizing even petty events, but they never get down to the nitty gritty on what the average American really needs to do.

      • Mark says:

        Horses ass:
        The Irish women I have known say (though it’s not true) that all American men are women. They have generally been exposed only to young, whiny, pencil-necked metro-sexuals at University, so it’s no surprise that they think that. They probably have never met an Alaskan caribou hunter, a Navy SEAL, or an MMA champion.

  44. Dewmir says:

    Just another show by the CAREER POLITICIANS in hopes to further solidify their position of being the few that ultimately control the masses.

    The candy will still be distributed to the losers who take it in exchange for a vote, and the CAREER POLITICIANS will continue to ride jet skies, drink exotic drinks and enjoy the worlds most beautiful places…

    The real question is, if YOUR not a career politician, or an entitlement junky, what will you do and where will you go when the SHTF?

  45. Anon says:

    Step back and look at all the prepositioning of resources (troops, equipment etc.) going on with governments of the world. Each and every one is aligning with who they think will be their best allies. This is not by chance but by choice. The whole world knows that it is about to come to a head. In the world today the bottom line is this- Who Controls the most OIL and Natural Gas will control the world in the FUTURE! Absolutely no Country will be left whole or untouched by what is coming; none. The future looks very grim right now dose it not. As for our country the Tea Party guests that have spoken, have up sit the apple cart of the good boys and as you can see they are in disarray over it, how dare they do that? The two party systems that we have are shown for what they are; all the same. If we make it to the Mid-Term elections, the BS that will come out about the Tea Party candidates’ (both sides) in the future will be very dirty and to a very high degree untruthful. What is about to happen in the next 12 months is going to cut to the quick everyone on the face of the earth but the elites. Their days are also numbered mark my word. We are faced with some SERIOURS CHOICES, as in the old saying-CHOOSE VERY WISELY.
    I have chosen GOD and FAMILY and my M1A.

  46. Ancient Echoes says:

    Whatever happens tomorrow and the weeks to come just remember it has all been done before. Rome fell and so can we if we do the same things it did. Lets learn from its mistakes and not let everything fall apart. I keep hearing all of us saying we have power. Well, I say lets use that power and change things this time. Let’s not let a “good crisis go to waste!” Let’s keep our country going by showing those in charge that we are awake and paying attention and love them for the work they have done but tell them on no uncertain terms that they are no longer necessary. Remember who you are!

    I hope I do not sound preachy, I so hate it when people do that……..I just want to sound encouraging…..

  47. Buzzfix says:

    Shut it down. Let nature run it’s course.

  48. Emily says:

    What happened to Hannity needs to happen to O’Reilly.
    Loss of radio time and re-shuffled by Fox to a later time
    slot.

  49. RICH99 says:

    This is simply a dog and pony show to MAKE the american FOOL think that the government is working for them …..at the 11th hour they will pull a deal out of their asses
    On a side note …..my 2 kids got their COMMON CORE letters in the mail ….these fuckers can’t balance a checkbook but they wanna dictate what your kids learn at at what pace ……boy oh boy are we finished ….I’m about ready to throw out the white flag

  50. slingshot says:

    Fuck You. Mr. President.

    Shut the government down.

    You had five years to put things right!

  51. Night breaker says:

    Re-posted from last post :
    So it begins , the real date to be aware of is October 17 this is when the government defaults on its credit. This could be the start of the real thing no longer speculation on our part ,
    I urge everyone to prepare NOW , this could become real serious what you are hearing on the MSM is a complete and utter lie. DHS and some .mil are being told not to report Tuesday . Even though the deadline has not passed. I do not what the future holds , but the one thing I do know
    IS THE FUTURE IS UNWRITTEN .

    GOD BLESS THE REPUBLIC

    SHTF ALERT 9-30-2013

    I am putting this at the top of this column for all to read with the pending Goverment shutdown most services are going to be shut down . it has been confirmed to me by my LGS that after Monday there could be a very possible shut down or slow down of the NICS system . Which means your ability to purchase a firearm may be stopped or slowed . I recommend that if you have a deposit on your firearm or you see something you want Monday may be the last day in a while you can get your purchase approved.

    Also there may be unintended consequences of this shut down my Agency has informed us to be prepared for a furlough of at LEAST 21 days . DHS has informed us NOT TO REPORT if the shutdown occurs on 12:00 am Tuesday morning . Also we will not be compensated for the furlough time or be allowed to use vacation time.

    BE ADVISED A LOT OF STATES RELY ON THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE EBT/ SNAP CARD SYSTEM .

    MATT BRACKEN DESCRIBES THE IMPACT OF THIS IN THIS ARTICLE:

    http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

    READ IT , UNDERSTAND IT , KNOW IT , ACT ON THE INFORMATION.

    PREPARE THIS MAY BE OUR LAST CALL .

    STAY ALERT , STAY ALIVE , FORM TEAMS .

    ALEA IACTA EST

    RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

    Semper Fi 8541

  52. agent provocateur says:

    Oh please! Nothing is ever going to change! This is all political theater for next years elections.
    We are set up for a slow bleed.
    If you are among the political class, Government employee or wall street “Banksters”( masters) then you will continue to live large- for everyone
    else, nothing .

    • Ugly says:

      agent provacauer…..

      Things have changed. We just haven’t seen the full effects of those changes yet. But we will.

      It is like the Tsunami of the Indian Ocean. People were wondering what was going on and were baffled. Many went into the sea when the current subsided and exposed more sand. Then came the waves and washed 250,000+ to their graves.

      The major warning signs are here and it is no longer a slow bleed, but an unstoppable bleed.

  53. A public service announcment… Please remember to back up your computers in the event that the NSA is unable to retain all of your information during this time.

  54. We’ll I just got through talking to my friends I worked with before I retired from a military installation, there waiting for a white piece of paper which you sign saying you will not come back to work until you are called back. And while everyone things this is the greatest thing going you have no idea whom all it effects, WIC will no longer be available to children and infants this is a massive domino effect. Which I’m sure most here could care less, because the government is finally shutting down. Shall we blame Obama or before him Bush there will always be someone to point your finger at and blame, but we never look towards are selfs the government is only what the people are. People here are so use to getting everything they want, heck I don’t want to work let the Mexicans do the hard labor and by the way I’m going to slam them so I’ll look like a good America. Where hire them for cheap labor knowing they are not legal but when they finish the job we’ll tell them were going to turn them. Heck those Mexicans are getting a cut of my food stamps, all we do is point fingers and we love to hear are selfs talk, so if you didn’t have Obama to blame there would be someone else.
    .

    • CrabbeNebulae says:

      The blame fits squarely on the head of the house of Rothschild, wall street bankers and Congress. And… yes, I hope 90% of all local, state and federal government workers get laid off… permanently. Don’t cry in your tea, you should have thought about your life long before going to work for the government. Government employees are parasites.

  55. Ugly says:

    There could be Hell to Pay….

    Good News and Bad News.

    First, the good news is that both NBC and CNN has dropped the Hiliary Clinton series. They stated their reasons why in several articles.

    Second, the bad news is that ex-lax sales won’t go thru the roof as predicted. Thus people who bought ex-lax stock thinking this commodity would increase sales by 375% during the mini-series may be down the river now.

  56. ArmedPatriot says:

    Finally, shit may actually get real. The guys used to say if you run out into the street with your rifle and nobody is there it’s not time. Well this time it may be different. Come on you turds in DC light this baby off. I want to be apart of the show.

  57. Be informed says:

    Tell me if this is not totally scary. Israel trying to remove ALL cash from their country. You know what happens with really terrible government ideas that mean total control of the people, they start somewhere and spread like the bubonic plague everywhere.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172028

  58. NC joe says:

    I am sure all those 700,000 plus federal workers who will be “furloughed”, their creditors and families think a shutdown is a good thing. Are any of you morons going to lift one finger in assistance? I think not.

  59. Rich99 says:

    Most of you are fucked. Okie, may you have many loads of 4X8 1/4 inch sheets of insulation to deliver out of TX.

  60. Patriot One says:

    Political theater nothing changes. Why do the repubics keep trying to compromising with the dems who will not compromise?? I call it stupidity. Shut it down.

  61. Barn Cat says:

    I see no connection between a shutdown of the government and the collapse of the dollar.

  62. Ugly says:

    Fellow Preppers and Americans.

    The dollar collapse has been going on since 911. specifically since around 2004. Today, it is just getting worse.

    One final evidence is that the US Treasury claims that about $2T was printed in both 2009 and 2010. Yet, there are no paper currencies in existence that date after 2009. If you don’t believe, then check for yourself. Find one.

    Thus, if they printed $2T in 2010 and none of those paper bills are in circulation, then where did it go?

    It went somewhere.

    • lastmanstanding says:

      I was tipped off to this over a year ago and many of us look daily…nothing newer than 2009…ever.

      Got some brand new hundies last week…2006.

      Personally, I think the paper was printed years ago…or it is just digitally deposited into the big banks.

      Let’s burn it/them down.

      • Ugly says:

        lastmanstanding.

        If it were printed years ago, someone would have found a paper currency dated 2010-2012 by now. But nothing, yet the Treasury claims $2T in 2010 alone.

        My take.

        The collapse has begun of paper currency. The electronic currency (only) has probably been ushered in 2010, right under our noses. Therefore, we will not see anymore currency with series dated 2010 and beyond. The paper currency floating now is probably it.

        I have a Bank CD with $50,000. It expired. I told the clerk I wanted it in cash (I was joking). She said they didn’t have that much now and I would have to wait a few days to get it. Well I did the dumb thing and took $5000 and then re-issued the rest for another 11 months. It is due this Nov. I am paying off my house with it.

        Wow. I wonder how many of our American folks know about any of this? Do they even care?

      • Shootit says:

        Just checked my pile. Nothing after 2009.

    • Look on any note…it says “SERIES” above the date.

      This is not the date the note was printed. They change series when they change printing plates, I believe. Every three or four years.

  63. Infidels-r-us says:

    I will be glad to help board up the blight, er white house if this wonderful thing comes to pass. I wonder how many Americans are praying for the government to shut down permanently. That would make me happy, happy, happy.

  64. slingshot says:

    I want my,
    I want my E.B.T.

    I want my,
    I want my E.B.T.

    Ah, that ain’t working
    Money for nothing and my food for free.

  65. A lot of tado about nothing…govt shut downs mean nothing theyre just convenient talking points for the PTB…they want to make it look like a bunch of crazies are torching the country in a vain attempt to stop obamacare and such…I for one want them to actually kill it but its not likely…hence I become a criminal as of tomorrow….Im not signing up…haven’t been to a doctor in over 40 years and Im not going on welfare (that I have to pay for to boot) just to make the ole obutthole feel like hes a king or something…I am not a subject or a mere citizen…I am a man…an individual sovereign man who is not planning to bow to some self appointed king and his jokers…don’t know how itll all end up but ya gotta draw a line somewhere…and this is mine…makes me so angry I cant find words to express it…just another usurpation of my God given rights…all of ours God given rights…all I ever wanted from anyone is to be left the hell alone…aint askin for nothing else…why is that one small request(demand) such an issue?…ya control but still it seems so infantile on their part to just have to tell everyone else what to do and how to do it…anyhow it leavesme to figure out how to not comply with all this crap without getting shot off my tractor someday by an IRS sniper for not being insured…crazy!

  66. 1 4 all says:

    govern = rule, mental= mind.Governmental shutdown = good.

  67. Ted Kennedy says:

    Take away active duty pay & all EBT if you want to see a real shit storm. Hoo-ya.

  68. NMBC says:

    Obamacare = was Hillarycare = was Universalcare

    Rand Paul said on Sept/22 that “there is little he can do to stop the law from taking effect. But Govt. Romney said he would eliminate Dems’ Universalcare if he was elected.

    __________________

    Republicans are being tricked into delaying Obamacare for one year, then what??? Accept it? 🙁 It’s multi-billions $$$$ per year business, and is controlled by bankers and bankers’ doctors.

    Palin, caring doctors and experts said it includes the death panel. 🙁

    This type of care, if people cannot afford to buy it or to pay fine, then you won’t get Obamacare.

    __________________

    The Article Rand Paul – “We Probably Can’t Get Rid of Obamacare”

    Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama’s health care law probably can’t be defeated or gotten rid of. And he’s suggesting there is little he and other congressional Republicans can do to stop the law from taking effect.

    Rand Paul’s said he can not stop it, so then why does he say that he’s going to sign it?

    • NMBC says:

      Politicians cause more damage when they are working than when they are not. 🙁

      Last weekend, Obama was at the goft course.
      Pelosi, Harry Reid and a lot of politicians did not show up to work on the last minutes deal.
      __________________

      Republicans should let Obama and Democrat Senators come up with a GOOD plan, to solve the BUDGET PROBLEM since they control the entire U.S. system aka government; it seems the USURPERS’ expensive programs are too big to fail.

      In the year 1995, congress and Bill Clinton shut down the government for 21 days.

      • NMBC says:

        There is not a single media outlet on earth that will give you what’s happening. The media(ex)stream outlets only give you 1/3 truth and the rest is bullshit. 🙁

        __________________________

        Reporters are reading from teleprompters and/or were told what to say. 🙁

        Pier Morgan is a perfect example of it. Pier is not smart enough to figure out that Anderson Cooper and other propagandists want his job since Anderson’s other shows were cancelled or is about to be cancelled. — Yahooo!

        People can figure this out, but Morgan CAN’T.
        Pier makes statements that make people dislike him more and which will get him fired.

        I don’t watch CNN. 🙂 Some articles mentioned that CNN cancelled a few of Anderson’s shows in the past.

        Anderson Cooper’s said he is gay. Anderson is dull and appears like a manikin doll.
        __________________________

        Haven’t read any new HEADLIES and Yahoo said: Government shutdown deadline passes

        “House and Senate leaders remain locked in a standoff over a government funding bill.”

        Safety, Justice and Happiness for the Real Americans. 🙂

        • Anonymous says:

          You know reporters do not set the network’s agenda, choose stories or pro/against topics, the network does all that. And Reporters do only what they are told.

          __________________

          Owners of the main(ex)stream media are too extreme, 🙁 they do not let employees run the show, let alone an English guy like Pier Morgan to endorse or to say whatever he wants.

          When the government shuts down, you would think Trolls and the mainstream media would slow down or take a day or two off, right?? But NO, their “Divide and Conquer” guerilla war game never ends. In fact, it’s at its worst. These people are the ones who are pursuing “To Conquer All”.

          __________________

          TROLLS also want you to believe their agenda aka prophecies, and the US is being punished for bringing devastation to the world and to the native Indians. It’s just another one of their MANY LIES.

          So the Americans do not deserve to live and own their lands. The new race/groups will move in to replace the old groups/the pilgrims, and the world will not even notice the difference; just like the France and other European countries, etc….
          __________________

          CRISES have happened in the past that were done by MADMEN, HAARP or by small NUKES.

          And if anything were to happen in the future it would be a false flag(s), not because of the wrath of (their) God, and certainly not by the Christian God.

          Sabotage: Special Forces To Target U.S. Economy, Infrastructure, Railways, Power Plants, Waterworks, and Refineries In the Event of Mid East Conflict

          ****www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/sabotage-special-forces-to-target-u-s-economy-infrastructure-railways-power-plants-waterworks-refineries-in-the-event-of-mid-east-conflict_09162013

  69. slingshot says:

    So lets pull off a TRIFECTA and shut the government down. Tomorrow the DOW craps, bank close and then turn the lights out.

    I feel like chicken tonight!

    90 minutes.

  70. Be informed says:

    I was flipping around the TV and stopped to listen to that ultimare ass worm piers morgan say the stupidest comment in a long time. That bum wipe said that there was one good thing about the government shutting down, no one will be getting their new gun permits. Can anyone else out there come up with a more appropriate name than ass worm for piers morgan, I would like to hear it for this true anti-gunner garbage sucker.

  71. sunshine says:

    I appreciate the article by Brandon Smith…much to think about…so, kinda in tune with everything…do not forget about the truckers strike and drive to Washington, DC on Oct. 11-13, 2013. Their website is: http://www.ridefortheconstitution.org you will find a flyer advertising it at the left sidebar and a 3 page description about what it is about, etc. Please print out the flyer, make copies and get it out. World Net Daily just did this article..when you go to it, they have a short video with the theme song….CONVOY! Wow…just a great inspirational song. Here is the article…much to learn about this truckers strike in it…everyone can participate in various ways… http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/truckers-roar-to-d-c-with-impeachment-movement/ Other groups will be joining them. At their website they have where you can link up with the truckers in your state. Mac, I wish you would do another write-up about this..the word needs to get out…thanks

  72. ArmedPatriot says:

    They shut it down… The democrats aka the Socialist will say they want war… WE SHOULD BRING IT TO THEM. Keep it shut down until they give up. Now it comes down to who will blink first. Let it burn… Let them burn.

  73. Warchild says:

    I have had only 10 minutes of govt. shutdown and yet am feeling better already!

  74. Brain Dead says:

    Haven’t read any post, it’s officially shut down as of 12:01 Eastern

  75. Be informed says:

    Another major earthquake just a little off the coast of the Kamchatka Peninsula. 6.4 USGS, but 6.7 from the seismographs in Australia. This was the second major earthquake correctly forecasted on comment #2435660 on the Visa Goes Anti-Gun article. Like New Zealand, the Kamchatka Peninsula was another point to look for as an extremely dangerous area for a major shaker. This means that mega quake could be coming as all the precursor quakes pointed to several major quakes. I am very suspect of India right now for a huge earthquake. The last massive one occurred back in 1950. Don’t forget Alaska and the Pacific Northwest that remain in the hot zone until Oct.17. Two already checked off the list, a third is likely coming.

    • FriendPrep says:

      Be Informed…

      had a vivid dream this morning of looking at the quake map and seeing an 8.8 circle on the map in the area of Honduras, Nicaragua, or so. I woke up kinda freaked out.

      Not that I’m some kind of a psychic or anything, just thought it was interesting. Went back and saw one of the spots you are warning about is Central America.

      I’m sure nothing will come of it, I just wanted to get this down in writing in case it actually happens, there’s proof…

  76. old guy says:

    Well its oct 1, Now my birthday is the 17th. I they canott come to a agreement and the money -credit- spending runs out on that day. I would think it was a good birthday present.

  77. James Woroble Jr says:

    First day of shut down… Seems exactly like my previous 22,265 days of experience with the government. What exactly is it one is supposed to feel or fear?

    The government runs the risk of exposing to the citizenry that it makes absolutely no difference if you annually hand over half of what you earn or not.

  78. Southern Border says:

    Well shit Boner didn’t cave this time, hell it’s a start, guess he was pissed at BO for not getting invited over for a brew & a smoke this time around !

  79. Frank Thoughts says:

    I think it is pure pantomime – “I am going to shut down the government!!!” “Oh, no you won’t!!!” “Oh, yes I will!!!” “Oh, no you won’t!!” “Oh, yes I will!!”

    We have those here in the United Sh#tdom of Fools and Snails every xmas.

    Knowing what I know about the US government’s strategy, it will play out like this: they will extend the debt and then they will make it go global. Two things had to be done first before they could make this move. One, was to sweep across the planet with bases, black ops sites, rendition facilities, torture chambers etc. This has mostly been completed. The second was to use the Internet and the global spy grid to track and trap the entire world’s population and economy, drain it of all good ideas, and then lock that bitch down under US trade rules. This is done.

    So, we are now ready for the next phase: everyone in the world is going to have to shake their booty and ‘work for the Yankee dollar’ as that old Cuban song used to say.

  80. clark says:

    I wonder how all these new unemployment claims at the state level are going to affect the state budgets?

  81. KY Mom says:

    “A group of World War II veterans in an Honor Flight group Tuesday knocked over barriers imposed during the government shutdown at the WWII Memorial in Washington, D.C., to get inside.

    As part of the federal government shutdown, national parks are closed.”

    Free Beacon dot com

  82. GA Girl says:

    Food for thought.

    I would like to remind us all that even though we totally disagree with Pres. Obama’s policies, the Bible teaches that we should respect authority. It is very difficult for me, too, to respect this president. I try to pray for him. But, please don’t call him names such as bast . . . That makes this forum and the people who read it look bad. I can’t stand his policies, but let’s uphold a sense of decency in the way WE act.

    Also, while I am totally against socialism, I do think of all the common people who are dependent on food stamps, etc. b/c they cannot get a decent job, etc. It is going to hurt a lot of people in this little town where I live. There are no decent jobs here.

    • Brandon Smith says:

      The bible teaches us to respect HONORABLE authority, not tyranny. You should read Chuck Baldwin’s book on the lies surrounding Romans 13, and educate yourself before it’s too late.

 

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