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    FedGov Declares: A Determination of Incompetency Will Prohibit You From Owning Firearms or Ammunition

    Mac Slavo
    February 22nd, 2013
    Comments (619)
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    In a prelude of what’s likely to become the norm as government sponsored healthcare is implemented across the country, nameless bureaucrats in the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs have begun issuing warning letters to veterans which claim that service members who are deemed by the agency to be incompetent or mentally ill will be required to surrender their rights as protected under the Second Amendment.

    In a letter highlighting the government’s continued encroachment on the liberties of Americans, the V.A. claims that they, and only they, have final say-so on whether or not a veteran member of the US military is authorized to own guns or ammunition.

    How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

    What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

    That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world.

    Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. 

    It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

    The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA.

    In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

    Source: Michael Connelly, J.D. of United States Justice Foundation​ via Red Flag News and Steve Quayle

    The letters have been made available for public viewing.

    Kurt Nimmo of notes that the letters are not the exception, but rather, are likely part of a new strategy designed to disarm Americans by whatever means necessary, suggesting that the letters from the V.A. are but a stepping stone to further restrictive actions soon to be implemented by the Obama Administration and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano:

    It’s no secret that the Department of Homeland Security considers returning veterans a threat to the established order. They said as much back in 2009 when they wrote in a report exposed by Alex Jones and the alternative media: “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists… DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”

    Following the case of veteran Brandon Raub, who was abducted and held in a psychiatric ward for Facebook posts the government considered subversive, police in Ohio seized a veteran’s guns after he was adjudged to be mentally incompetent despite the fact a Veterans Administration psychiatric evaluation determined he was not mentally ill.

    “Since the veteran is active in the so-called truth movement or patriot community, it is assumed that his involvement in this field is part of the reason why he has been targeted for psychiatric evaluation,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote on August 24, 2012.

    With the recent publication of the American Psychiatric Association’s new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), just about every American could potentially be diagnosed with a mental health condition that includes anything from attention deficits and depression, to everyday emotional responses like nervous tension or stress.

    Suffice it to say that, under the DSM-5, anyone who visits a psychiatrist,  psychologist or even their family doctor, could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit to own a firearm should their government sponsored healthcare provider make that determination.

    America’s veterans are an easy target because they generally have an affinity for and an understanding of firearms, have been in war zones or high stress environments, and many are dependent on government sponsored health care programs.

    But vets won’t be the last to be targeted for disarmament on medical grounds. With the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obamacare, tens of millions of Americans will soon fall under government jurisdiction and diagnosis.

    Legislators in Washington D.C., as well as on the state level, have already introduced laws which aims to require mental health screening for gun owners, something the federal government would like to see instituted on a nationwide basis.

    The ramifications of such legislation, which supporters of gun control and firearms registration say will keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, will likewise have the effect of targeting innocent Americans who may simply be dealing with everyday stress or a naturally common level of mood fluctuations.

    Imagine visiting your doctor and being asked if you’re experiencing stress because of your busy lifestyle or anxiety from a heavy work load. Answering “yes,” or “sometimes” to such questioning could soon be grounds for deeming you mentally incompetent. The next thing you know, a SWAT team will be kicking in your door (because you know they won’t knock nicely) looking for your firearms.

    This is what’s coming next should the V.A. be allowed to disarm veterans without due process and public oversight.

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    Date: February 22nd, 2013

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    1. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      PUBLIC NOTICE WARNING : TO ALL TRAITORS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLES TRUST , NWO NJO ZOG COMMIE FEDGOV STATEGOV LEECHES ENSLAVERS OF THE once free AMERICAN PEOPLE … This is where I draw my Line in the Sand … I promise death and physical bloody violence will come to All who dare to threaten my U.S. CONSTITUTION GUARANTEED RIGHTS !!!


      Your playing with just the tip of a tail of a 1200 pound Tiger you don’t want to tangle with . That’s a Promise .


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      • AmeriKan Nightmare says:

        “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

        ~Thomas Jefferson

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Indeed so, brother. I also like this:

          “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington, 1790

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          • KY Mom says:

            Firearm companies refusing sales to government agencies…

            Posted on Drudge Report

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          • clint hospo says:

            This was from Wikipedia a line about Subversion at the end, i had to look it up to get the actual meaning what it meant and this totally is Obama! Here is what it said,

            ” However, actions taken by terrorists may have a subversive effect on society. Subversion can imply the use of insidious, dishonest, monetary, or violent methods to bring about such change. ” If subversion fails in its goal of bringing about a coup it is possible that the actors and actions of the subversive group could transition to insurrection, insurgency, and/or guerilla warfare.”

            After reading this it totally made me think of our lying dishonest Obama leader in office. I use the VA for about 6 years so far. I get asked the normal questions there from the nurse before you see the DR. (BTW my VA Dr. is the best and works with you! SO happy for her!)It’s have you ever tried to kill yourself, do you smoke, how much do you drink, would you want to harm yourself and are you in any pain. But that is just their normal questions that are required to ask each time you see them. This is in Pittsburgh.

            But they have never asked me yet do I own a gun or anything yet related. Since I have been on here for 3 years now I will share anything that changes and let you know and feel them out. I always answer and tell the truth!

            Off topic but if you want to buy a 30 round mag(they allow one per day) but purchased (Ruger SR556mag-30) a Ar-15 30 round mag. Very similar to a Pmag but I think slightly better. They are 29 bucks. a tad high. Then bought 100 rounds of PPU(a newer company that makes bullets in major for the most calibers) made in serbia. Its brass is great and the bullets are M193 heads. They were 46 bucks for 100. I just wanted to try it but they had as much 9mm,40cal,10mm,50cal,338laupa, you name it in stock and had about 15 new ar-15′s in.

            I tried to help everyone on here looking for ammo or a ar-15. They are slightly higer on guns and ammo to be honest but they have it in stock usuall. They are called Ace Sporting goods in washington Pa. Very close to Pittsburgh. So if you are looking for any caliber they have it. That is where I bought genuine 30 round mags (3) for my FN 5.7 pistol. They usually only have 20 rounds available at many places and aftermarket makes a Promag which some people think are junk, I’m neurtal on them. Ace had my 20 round drum for my saiga 12 gauge for 79 bucks that I bought a couple years ago. Sold that it was junk I think. They had a brand new barrett 50 cal semi auto but was the titanium version not sure the model there and were selling for about 10,000 dollars.

            Again I didn’t use all caps this time and just trying to help those that can’t find guns or ammo a place where to get from. I used all caps to get your attention to help that is all. They have about 20 people working at one time and there phones are very busy so if they ring keep trying them. I think they are ok but prices slightly higher. They also sell plenty of 50bmg(browning machine gun) bullets. They had a box of 20 armor piercing incendiary under the table for about 90 bucks. Made in brazil or south america, not sure the company. These are hard to find and you have to get lucky when these come in.

            Gods Creation a user on here said, if you see a psychiatrist, psychologist … could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit “””. That is my Dr at the VA, so we will see if they send me anything in the mail or tell me or ask me in the future at the VA. I will be honest and let you guys know the truth. I really don’t see them sending me a letter. I don’t have PTSD or I’m not unstable etc. Never been depressed. So we will see what this BS Obama Admin is doing to our great nation and VA hospitals. They can fuck off(not va but anyone who tries to limit our rights or take away!) And Vets and preppers be strong and don’t lay down your rights or weapons ever for these assholes who are corrupt and should be impeached! They are liars and traitors and we all know it!

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            • clint hospo says:

              Thanks for the thumbs down so quickly again ungrateful young liberal. How do I know? Someone with knowledge can figure out what I wrote is true and honest and thoughtful, you have never been in the Military and would bet all my guns on it. Go ahead and fire away. You can always try and be honest to your type but you think you are so smart and have things figured out in life. All that your type can do is take and not give one thing to society or contribute anything or offer nothing. I bet you take from your parents and are not even thoughtful for it. Its to the point where its funny. So many of you liberal anti-gun idiots are so stupid. I do respect liberals that can have a conversation and see things from both sides and have a good debate. You are nothing but think you know everything internet tough guy. Try being honest with yourself tomorrow and learn something and treat others that are older than you with some respect. I think you have none.

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              • Feisty Old Broad says:

                My Prayer is that the Patriots WAIT until all is revealed…DO NOT fire the first shot….WE have right and might on our side….and we have the grace of God…do not allow those whose intentions are to inflame,inflame you…in fact, YOU are ME and vast other Patriots….stand your ground, be strong in your beliefs and convictions and DO NOT allow anyone you know to “draw first blood”…..We Will Defend and Uphold our Constitution…..but will not be bullied into making a statement merely to make a statement…We Are American Patriots…..and We will DO what we need to do when necessary….basically, I am saying that WE CALL THE SHOTS

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              • RedPine says:

                Clint, so sorry– My fat thumb the culprit! GOOD POST.

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              • AZ Dave says:

                No thumbs down from this side CH. I come from a long line of MEN who served this country and feel very fortunate to have these Veterans surrounding me to help guide me in the right direction for if no other reason so we don’t repeat history. As for the disarming of vets I no plenty of “SANE” people willing to help out the gubment deemed “insane” if their arms are taken from them. Once again Sir thank you for your service and the great post.

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              • JayJay says:

                {{you liberal anti-gun idiots are so stupid}}

                They haven’t figured it out yet, Clint.
                When guns are outlawed for the righteous citizens, these anti-gun idiots will be the first to be shot by the govt.

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            • Feisty Old Broad says:

              @Clint…emotions run high when our basic Rights are at risk….I am actually frightened at what I see occuring in our gov’t….and feel rather helpless to stop it….but here, in this venue, there are others who share our beliefs…, in my mind, where there are many like minded folks, there is hope for the future….
              If hate is the lock, then Love is the key…

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            • Kindle says:

              I really appreciate your updates on the availability of product you are seeing. If in your travels through these stores you see a 10 round magazine for a 9 mm Beretta PX4 Storm Full size could you let me know?

              Colorado is probably going to pass the 15 round magazine ban and I have been looking everywhere for a 10 round factory made one.

              If anyone knows where one of these is I would greatly appreciate a heads up.

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              • clint hospo says:

                will do.

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              • Montana Mike says:

                Kindle, The company below is on the “no sale” to restrictive government agencies. They to not currently have what you are looking for:bookmark them to check back


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                • Kindle says:

                  Montana Mike,
                  Thanks!! They had one of the 15 round magazines and I snagged it. Last one they had. This will at least keep me “legal” in Colorado….as the bill reads now it is a ban on larger than 15 rounds.

                  I still want to find a 10 round one in case I go to another state with the 10 round ban thingy. I have found 10 round magazines for all my tools except this one. I have plenty of the larger capacities but am trying to technically be legal. grrrrrrrr

                  It’s stupid or on purpose by tptb to pass bigger than 10 round mag ban when a lot of semi-auto hg’s don’t come with smaller ones.

                  Never thought I’d be searching for the little mags. Glad I stocked up on the bigger ones early.

                  Thanks again,

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              • JM Denver says:

                If *ANY* state passes a ban, I hope you patriots will not comply. I for one will not comply with any Colorado ban on my 2A rights.

                Molon Labe – CATIMF – NOMI

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            • Semper Fi y'all says:

              VA needs an asshole reamer. About 105 should do.

              Semper Fi

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          • roger says:


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        • John Q. Public says:

          Several people and companies here need to be registered as Enemies of the People:

          Registered Enemies of the People, not guns.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Typo—should be:

            Register Enemies of the People, not guns.

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            • Zoltanne says:

              We really saw this one coming — the sheeple chorus wailed on and on about the mental states of some of these crazed lone shooters after the Sandy Hook incident. Surely the Progressives could make the connection of deranged shooters to other gun-owner citizens who might suffer from Depression or maybe PTSD.

              The incompetency label is one method that the Feds will use disarm gun owners. The problem for Vets will be in the actual “diagnosis” and the government red tape will ruin a Vet’s chance at a reprieve. The real pisser about this method is that there is existing legislation for the Feds to use while they destroy a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights.

              Another method to attack a person’s rights will be the mandatory background checks and gun registry procedures.

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              • Grasshopper says:

                ITS THE DRUGS!! The pharmaceutical industry is extremely corrupt, but like other industries has lobbyists to get what they want from Washington. I knew this lady who had been taking similar drugs and said she had thoughts of killing her husband. So she stopped taking the shit and the thoughts went away. ITS THE DRUGS!!! They just want your money, don’t give a crap if the drugs work or not… I’ve read many books about this industry– like “Your Daily Meds”, for one.

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                • Anonymous says:

                  Did you know that the pharmaceutical industry spent 300 million dollars last year lobbying politicians?

                  Evidence has shown, that every mass shooter has been on or utilized ssri drugs that have been prescribed!

                  The politicians know this but the pharmaceutical industry which makes billions every year manufacturing these drugs spends hundreds of millions buying politicians thus the real problem of gun violence never makes it way into the public forefront!

                  I ask everyone here one question. Has anyone here ever hesitated or refrained from posting your thoughts or opinions about the way this country is run on this forum or any other forum?

                  If your answer was/is yes, then I ask you this? Is there then tyranny in our Govt/society now?

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                • Sunshine says:

                  I have a family member whose complete mental state and personality have changed since being on many prescription drugs for 10+ years. Cannot be relied on for anything anymore and is probably only a step or two away from being committed to an institution if suicide doesn’t occur first. It is so sad to see someone deteriorate this way. Dr’s keep prescribing because if they don’t, another dr. will and they’ll lose the patient and the money. And every drug prescribed has a side effect that requires another…..drug.

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                • Semper Fi y'all says:

                  Now this crap might kill you and if that bothers you, call your doctor.

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              • Ann Coulter is right. Don’t fall for the “universal background checks”. It won’t be a 4473, and will include current owners. Such a system would have to include registration. WA already tried to sneak “inspections” into law, and the sponsor claimed they didn’t know it was in the bill. Riiiiight. NY is trying the mandatory insurance thing, pretending they don’t know full well that NOBODY would write such a policy. Does anybody believe the NICS records are actually destroyed?

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                • Beowulf says:

                  Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. AC is a bat-crazy neocon-nutjob. She needs to be spanked, and spanked hard then sent back to the trailer house she came from.

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                • Dick says:

                  “a bat crazy, neocon nut job”
                  sounds like an Alex Jones name calling job, you can do better

                  HOWEVER!!!!, the thought of spanking, or being spanked by AC, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM………. that’s a whole different issue, sent to her trailer???? most are spanked and sent to bed without their supper

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                • JM Denver says:

                  Ann Coulter – Hot and Articulate + spanking. Yes please! And have an argument with me while you’re at it…

                  BTW: “bat-crazy neocon-nutjob” sounds exactly like something a liberal would call her.

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              • BlueH20 says:

                I keep hearing about the VA offering a 9-week in-patient course on PTSD management. This is sweetened with a disability pension after completion.

                I have also heard that if your wife is being treated for stress, this can then be used against both of you for firearm ownership due to an incompetent person in the household.

                Who isn’t stressed and angry in this present-day situation?

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                • Professor Higgins says:

                  BlueH2O: Do you have any actual proof of these courses being offered? And unless I’m mistaken, the wife is not entitled to anything from the V.A. unless she too was in the military. Now if she is being treated privately, that’s a different situation altogether. Still, I find your hearsay story highly speculative. No offense intended.

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                • hammerhead says:

                  TRUE @BLUE H2O
                  i have heard the same .

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              • brain dead says:

                Not interested in posting on boards, but I do read them when possible. I just have a message for those who enjoying posting as a hobby.

                The plan was set forth years ago and now it’s your decision. You need to find friends if possible, because alone your a sitting duck.

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            • Semper Fi y'all says:

              I keep seeing Xs on doors. Wonder what that means.

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          • sixpack says:

            I can’t wait for the legal challenges to start coming in. I hate to say this, but they’ve been doing this to older people for years. As I’ve said before, if we allow the government to single out any population for shit like this, it will splash onto another population, and then another, etc…this proves my theory.

            Expect it to expand quickly, if they get away with it.

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        • Gods Creation says:

          “””Suffice it to say that, under the DSM-5, anyone who visits a psychiatrist, psychologist … could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit “””

          I might say that someone who visits those types actually is incompetent. They are the ones who have been indoctrinated so extremely they are unable to think for themselves. If there is a problem the last place they will look for help is themselves.

          Those who will be helpful to the cause of freedom stay away from those types by their nature. The vast majority of us will remain armed and happy.

          It is all heading toward critical mass at some point in the future. The corp will try to avoid it at all costs, but sooner or later the people will start protecting their rights by the use of lead projectiles fired directly at those who attempt to take them.

          Until that starts to happen, they will not slow down their efforts. The first few Law Enforcement actions by a Man, against an officer, will awaken the masses and the minions to the reality of the world.

          Sides will be chosen. Much of the corp sheep will have been disarmed and no threat to the prepared. It is the rights of those sheep that can be violated, not the rights of Men. We shall stay armed despite the best efforts of those who wish differently.

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          • The “mental health profession” is the only part of the medical industry that insists on, on a regular basis, treating people against their will. You can bet that anybody (who has insurance of some kind) who walks through their office door is diagnosed as mentally ill and in need of treatment. This is simply a way of locking up people without any due process whatsoever.

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            • JM Denver says:

              “Mental health profession” indeed. Didn’t the “Father of Psychology” Sigmund Freud want to screw his own mother? How is that for a ringing endorsement of the craft…

              I for one will stay away from clinics and Dr’s who worship the fraud.

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        • Live free or die says:

          I believe this goes much deeper than we can imagine. They are preparing for something so atrocious that it is never spoken. Very few are privy to what is actually going to happen but many others in power do have more than an idea of what is to come but are too afraid for their own sake to speak of it or even think of it.

          When you see them making odd moves whether it be disappearing from the public view or vacationing at odd times, this may be the clue as to when.

          Normally I would dismiss this as more of the same and they will kick the can down the road for an eternity but not now. Something is definitely wrong and the people who know of it are helping to perpetrate it. They are believers that the end justifies the means, at any cost, whether it be human life, human dignity or vile acts against God. Something is coming and they are getting ready.

          It is time to outsmart them, be ready for them and do not let your guard down for one moment. I never imagined that I would think or feel this way but I do and I am not swayed easily. This is real in my opinion and the time is fast approaching.

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          • Gunny MC130 says:

            Locate the traitors now. Know where they live, vacation and plan to bug out to. Make your plan now. I know of one state dept/CIA goon just bought a cabin in our zip code last year…. very strange, 30 miles to the nearest gas station and 90 to the grocery store. Pop goes the wessel.

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            • clint hospo says:

              This is to live free or die hard,, We know these bastards work together a lot of times,and I’m saying this out loud and not to you it just makes me think about your paragraph. We see on TV them talking down one another etc. We see investigations darrell issa(forgive the spelling) open cases against Eric holder but nothing ever gets done! Nothing happens really. They say things about each other but if they really didnt like the other side I think the words they would use would be much stronger. And I know this is said on TV but its the same, you never hear someone from the GOP say, Obamas a straight out traitor and we want him gone! Sure they would demonize there party for saying that but the NDAA and these laws, agenda 21 and other issues are both accepted by both parties. IF they truely hated each other im not suprised there are fist fights between these people off the air. They know with food prices/gas prices this is driving people out of work, out of money and out of patience with each other. Your right they know something is going on but they are not fixing America and its so fricken obvious!

              It can’t really be this simple that they are destroying this country just for them to gain power or to win the house in 2016 etc or whenever it is. They know its killing us and they do nothing. This to me seems they know either a major war, a major shift in something or riots etc are going to happen soon. I don’t think sandy hook was a inside job at all. I think that really happened by that kid. But I do believe things are going to be a domino effect soon with trucks not delivering, strikes etc. It doesn’t make sense and I don’t know if they are trying to time politics with the economy, war etc but there is no way not with there best computer models, smartest people, uncertainty in the world that they can control a slow breakdown of society. there are way too many varibles to change or to happen. Do they know something like a breakdown in stock markets? Why do they have gold on the yahoo headlines asking is this the end for gold or vise versa. Uncertainty in Greece, war etc. Why if Obama is so destructive does he continue to remaian in power? The elites? Why would a few for millions more when they are already rich destroy america or be a pawn for a few to let their children and millions of people suffer in the future or not even have a future. Why would they allow this to continue. Or how about obamas kids. If he;s a pawn for some bigger power controlling america, why would he let this country go into hell or riots just to please a few people in the world. It doesn’t make any sense and why the attacks on us so quickly. The only thing I can think of that makes common sense is, last year many thought we would be collapsed by now. I didn’t think so and from their talks and speeches and affordability to live, I would give us 3 years or less and with the timing of new laws they want to pass. That is my guess. 3 years tops or less. I’m thinking we probably will be hitting dec 2013 with the car on fire going over the finish line. I don’t know.

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              • JayJay says:

                Clint–could the greed be about resources?
                Destroying the population through starvation, plagues, and other means allows them more…of everything.
                More water, more food, less polluted air, etc.
                But, another angle is when the worlds collapse financially, TPTB will swoop in and buy residential land, commercial properties at very little cost–10 cents on a dollar??- and gain control of everything??
                This is how they gain control. They don’t own it all now, but is this their aim?

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                • BigB says:


                  You could be right but some thing has value if there are people who desire it. If the population is reduced then it stands to reason that it’s encentric value would go down as well. I am kinda in the CH thoughts camp. I just don’t see why this is being done to the citizens.

                  I don’t remember a time such as we are experiencing. Ever week at the least there is some thing else happening that is a move against our rights. I too just do not see where this is all going.

                  It is like the Sequester. You all realize that no one in the government is being laid off? At the very worst some government workers will be cut to a 4 day week. They will also be eligable to draw unemployment compensation for that 1 day they are off. Why are they just not laying off 3% of the work force like any private company would have? That is any private comoany that was not union. Crazy!

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              • Clint,
                The compromise is the goal.
                The Hegelian Dialectic.
                Thesis, antithesis = synthesis.

                Haves vs Have nots.

                Otherwise known as; the Kabuki theater of the damned.

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          • vicious rodent says:

            must we wait till they are breaking in our front door before we identify the enemy and defend ourselves?wouldn’t it be better to take the fight to them?

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            • clint hospo says:

              I think so as well, we should go to a city meeting with all the people together and tell these politicians of all states, I dont care even nY and Ca that we will not obey or lay down our guns regardless what size rounds they hold or what it is. if we have never caused any problems then leave us the hell alone but if you push this or try to pull me over and snag us one by one or at the gun range ticket by ticket, arrest by arrest, then loss of property and profits for them, like getting a dui(never had) but you get pulled over for drinking then arrested and fines etc and now you dishing out 8,000 bucks and loss of use. That is what I believe is going to happen. They will make this into profits and try and bullshit the people and say its for the children! we all know its not. They dont like guns and dont want us to cause any problems or get in their way not one bit. That is what I think is going to happen in future and I fear that people or many will give up. What do you guys think on this?? We need to start supporting even other states that are starting to get these guns banned. We can’t just let them take over state by state and change the rules. We have to support all areas and get these people out of office for good by any means. We are not starting any problems or did anything wrong, they are the ones that need the lesson taught to.

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          • Slick says:

            Live free or die,
            My God, you nailed a perfect analogy!
            That is the exact story line of all of the Harry Potter movies/books!
            Voldemort, the name of the Evil sorcerer that would not be spoken!
            His topic was avoided at all costs until he was Killing people in public,
            and leading his army against society out in the open that people
            agnolaged it. By then, it was more or less too late.
            Normalcy bias on a grand scale.

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            • Live free or die says:


              Where is Harry Potter? We need every believer in the constitution to step forward and not move back one inch. Every inch they try to take from us; we step forward two more.

              God Bless America, especially now in her time of turmoil and chaos.

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          • Robert says:

            2 billion people world-wide are going to die in the flesh. ww3, famine, disasters, disease and so on. it will all come to a head and be unleashed. when it does 1/3 of the world dies. 6th trumpet, 6th seal, 6th vial. when the world goes into utter chaos that is when THE antichrist appears. satan himself cast down and put on display for the world to whore after. why do you think they push the whole superhuman stuff so much or the alien dna mnaipulation stuff? just yet another preparation for the world to fall into deception and worship the devil himself. make no mistake this is about the soul and always has been. who wanted to take God’s place? who lead the charge against God? who was bound and released and gets cast down to earth? he will have his 7 thousand fallen with him as well. revelation tells us all exactly what happens.

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            • don't tread says:

              Amen, brother. You got it. 99.9% won’t believe it Robert, until it is “in their face”. They follow false teachers that say Revelation has already happened or that they don’t need to understand it since they will be “raptured” away from the earth before all hell breaks loose.

              I know better, and am seeing the stage set before my very eyes. The world has been taught that a flesh man walking the earth today, will be the antichrist. Wrong!
              Lucifer has too big of an ego to let any flesh man sit in Jerusalem and claim to be the Messiah.

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        • tayronachan says:

          “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin F. I really like this one.

          There are several forms of government that disarm their citizens. Four that come to mind are;
          1) Socialism
          2) Communism
          3) Fascism
          4) Oligarchies

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          • common sense says:

            There are only two types of government.
            Democracy- rule of the majority, also known as mob rule
            Oligarchy- rule of the few or the minority

            That’s it.

            Every government in existence today is an oligarcy.

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      • Sigh…

        The tree is thirsty… almost parched…
        I hate to say it will soon be time for watering.

        Let us pray the water of life flows more from the tyrant than from the patriot.

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      • Arby says:

        If you have ANY doubt about the importance of being armed and prepared to defend yourself please take a look at this:

        Actually it is well worth your time and something to share with others !!

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      • Prepperpah says:

        The next step will be to claim ‘potential terrorists’ cannot bear arms. The list of activities and beliefs belonging to ‘potential terrorists’ is all encompassing. Followed to the letter of the law, it would disarm every citizen.

        Has anyone considered the media implications of the ‘potential terrorist’ traits? The list enables government to claim any drone strikes are against ‘potential terrorists’ no matter the target. A public which is unaware of the definition of a ‘potential terrorist’ would think US drones are batting 100% in favor of liberty, when in fact they are batting 100% against.

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      • Arby says:

        IF you have any doubt about why you should be armed and prepared to defend yourself and your family…
        Please take a few minutes to read this article and watch the video.

        Actually it is worth your time anyway.

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      • Fucking pissed says:

        Go ahead and send some folks to handle my affairs. I will kill them and burn their stinking corpses to a crisp.

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      • Grasshopper says:

        Beautifully said, Nightmare! I say, “Go F___ yourself, NWO Fascists!”

        I’ve noticed these people CONSTANTLY twist things around– just like in the book, “1984″, where “black is white and white is black”! The TRUTH of the matter is, according to statistics, there are significantly more psychos at the top of the economic ladder (Wall Street Terds, etc.) than regular citizens. They’re all sickos– otherwise they wouldn’t have this inordinate drive to dominate, control, and destroy.

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      • durango kidd says:

        All politics are local. You are responsible for the US Constitution in your “neighborhood”.

        Make a “to do” list. Check it twice. Know who has been naughty and who has been nice. A day will come when Patriots rise up as one and restore America.

        At the top of your list should be those who actively campaign for the abolition of the US Constitution. Conspirators may be added as time, opportunity, and ballots permit.

        Payback is a MF! :-)

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        • DK,
          When I google Washington’s vision…
          I get a hoax from the 1850′s…

          from a guy that never was in Valley Forge, written by a guy with pseudonym…

          You got any ‘definitive’ data on it?

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          • durango kidd says:

            PM: It is always difficult to know the truth of ages past. You are a man, with a spirit of discernment to separate fact from fiction. Believe it or not, as God gives you the light to see that light.

            Go within.

            Naysayers and commies will always attempt to rewrite history to suit their Agenda and debunk anything that advances American leaders and patriotism. That has been true since the beginning of this nation; or even the Gospel of Christ.

            OUR founding fathers were not saints. They had faults just as WE do, but they were inspired to create a nation under God with liberty and justice for all; a nation with a political structure designed to liberate every human soul within its boundaries to achieve their dreams, pursue their individual happiness, and develop the talents God gave them. It was a nation unlike any since ancient Greece.

            If this Vision is a fable or fiction from an inspired author trying to move his audience at a specific time in OUR history, it is an amazingly accurate one PROJECTED for OUR time.

            Co-incidence? I don’t think so. As with all other things, judge for yourself.

            If not US, who? If not now, when? Engage.

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              Evening DK, Piper…

              One of the places that presents the most comprehensive version of the Tale of Washington’s Vison is at;


              The provenance therefor is described there as well.

              While you’re there – the both off you – look around a bit. All of it is interesting, the Hopi stuff is both interesting and eery when you’re familiar with the background, thier history. I’ve yet to see quite so much piled up into one place anywhere else. Have a good one Y’all…


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              • Dk, JOG,
                Roger wilco.

                will post on it later, I know about the Cherokee and Hopi prophecies.

                @the cooking mom,
                do not ascribe deception to passion, he is not advocating shooting anybody ‘first’. He knows the deal, the ballot box until FIRST Blood, then the tree is watered.
                Our job, is to not allow first blood to slip by into the ether without being seen. Preferably with video and witnesses, live, undeniable with deception and malice aforethought.

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              • durango kidd says:

                JOG: Thanks for the link. Yes, its ALL there and everyone needs to read it ALL so that they can put everything into perspective.

                Its time for Americans to get their head and ass wired together, and that in line with their mind and heart. The events that will spark these Changes will be upon US soon enough.

                Fore warned is well armed. Engage.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  cooking mom: I have long advocated here for political action, not violence, encouraging everyone to multiply their voice by joining a group: organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote. Thus “engage”.

                  I still do.

                  Gun confiscation is the line in the sand for me, as WE all know what happens to populations who surrender their self defense.

                  I also like to point out to the DHS Cyber Squad who monitors this site, the real challenges the PTB will have in implementing a gun ban and dictatorship. After all the NWO could be eliminated overnight by Seal Team America, and at 1,000 yards.

                  That is not an exaggeration.

                  I point to Washington’s Vision so that folks here understand the necessity of retaining their means of self defense.

                  Particularly since His vision was more than 235 years ago. I have NO doubt that it was given to Him to give to US, that WE might be encouraged when the fabric of the nation and OUR very existence will be challenged.

                  OUR “third great struggle” as a nation will emerge with the Changes that are about to occur. I strive to give my readers courage and assurance that if WE will only apply OURSELVES to defend OUR Constitution and OUR faith, victory is certain.

                  Knowing that victory is OUR deliverance will help US prevail.

                  Everyone will need to be their own leader at that time: confident, brave, and determined. It will take a strong spirit to face the difficulties that loom ahead.

                  The more time that Americans have to think and decide how they will respond to the eventual dissolution of their liberties, the better off all of US will be.

                  Americans need to understand the severity of the Changes so that they will not be surprised, but prepared psychologically for them. To many these “changes” will be such a shock as to render them numb and incapable of action necessary for their own self preservation.

                  For the rest of US, the Changes are a call to action to preserve the nation and OUR Constitution for OUR progeny.

                  If not US,who? If not now, when? Engage.

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          • the cooking mom says:

            Thank you.
            It would seem dk is eager for one of us to “engage ” first.
            Just doesn’t set right with me.

            KEEP PREPPIN’

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            • To repeat;
              @the cooking mom,
              do not ascribe deception to passion, he is not advocating shooting anybody ‘first’. He knows the deal, the ballot box until FIRST Blood, then the tree is watered.
              Our job, is to not allow first blood to slip by into the ether without being seen. Preferably with video and witnesses, live, undeniable with deception and malice aforethought.

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        • Gunny MC130 says:

          Colaborators are the key and should be dealt with first. They are the local key and carry the water for plug and play politicians.

          Watch the DVD Lawless about moonshiners 1930 time how weird is this Chicago mobsters corrupt local cops in KY.

          Watch the DVD Defiance about how Nazi’s corrupt local non-Jew copsto turn in local Russians. Both movies are based on true events and are directed well.

          Fast forward to today and your local, who will they deputise to help, those are the folks that need nutrilized quickly.

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        • Bosco Gives You Energy says:

          Once again, three thumbs up…I borrowed one. Right now, I am organizing my building through our HOA. It looks like it’s for weather emergencies but what I am doing is getting folks used to working with each other, trusting each other and getting used to the idea that “normal” people prepare. We are also reaching out to our neighbors to propose a group property insurance plan. Again, we’ll be working with those we would never normally meet, gaining their trust and helping to insert ourselves into situations where we will be the most well prepared, well informed and decisive when the time comes.

          People want leadership but the trust comes first. Be working to develop trust among others; don’t worry about preaching the stuff we see here. We all know it but it is pointless to waste your energy. Talk about “saving money”, “electrical outages”, “big inflation coming” whatever it takes.

          Be smart. Be subversive. Be ready.

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      • Gunny MC130 says:

        We start taking them off the earth from the top!

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      • Gunny MC130 says:

        Locate the traitors now before they vanish and keep tabs on them.

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      • Feisty Old Broad says:

        Once harm has been done, even a fool understands it.
        (not homer simpson)


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      • No violence! says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • Feisty Old Broad says:

          Well then NO VIOLENCE….hope you report me as well…maybe you can get a couple extra nickels by stating in a forum how you “turn” people in….sad example of a human being….is YOU
          ps….I actually think you are nothing more than a little boy playing on someone else’s computer….even more sad, that….

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            I Heard that Snitches Get Stiches! Not sure if true?

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            • Naw…thats a rumor…they get skinned alive and left for the critters…stitches cost too much in good thread and time :)

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            • AnonLegion says:

              yes angelo it is.

              Snitches get stiches, you rat your cut over your left eye so that stiches are put in place. Everyone who sees you in the jail with the stiches kicks your ass for being a snitch.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                Anon: Yes I know this too from so many biker bro’s that ended up in prison I think I quit counting how many around 25+!…Some were set-up, but most did stuff to get tossed into prison. Them in Clubs usually get protected good. They got plenty members on the Outside world to avenge them if necessary. They are kinda like mafias just with harleys instead of caddys! Probobly got more $$$ than mafias also!

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          @ NV

          I am led to conclude that either;

          a) You forgot the /SARC tag


          b) You are, in fact, a ‘fucking’ moron

          As with all such things we’ll be waiting for your clarification with ‘baited breath’………….


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        • quick says:

          You should be careful – I know some IT guys(it’s not just police) that know from your IP address, where you are !!!

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        • quick says:

          Let me clarify a little – You are right – anyone can be found with an IP address.

          I know some IT guys that may be capabale of doing just that and I’ve read this type of thing is possible by anyone with the knowledge.

          Point is – Be careful – Police are not the only ones capable of finding someone by using an IP address.

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        • roger says:

          Your IP address was left also you fuggin piss ant. beware your door gets kicked in too, shit-for-brains.
          Gunny MC130 is right, take them off the planet starting at the top, then we’ll find smelly little turds like you to cover the big ass hole we push their corpses into. How do you like us now?

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            But we here Know where we are already so no need for police. Nor IT guys.

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            • JOG…Angelo…stop it guys…havent you any decentcy!?…youre supposed to be”SCARED”….he’s gonna track your IP addresses an call the cops on you and,and,eh.. well somthing really bad might happen…and you dare make light of it?…my God fellas…quick,apoligize!…maybe itll forgive you…or you risk getting a picture sent to you of “it” in its underwear sitting in its mommys basement…youve been warned …glad Im not you fellas!….mmmmwwwwaaaahahahahahhah! ;) (sarcasim off)…sorry guys, couldnt resist :)

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          That works both ways Buddy. There are several on here who can track your IPO as well. Be careful what you do, You may live to regret it!:)

          This is for NO Violence.

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      • hamilcar says:

        It so glaringly appears that Aldous Huxley and George Orwell were NOT fiction writers at all..

        and Roger Waters’ The Wall was just not a work of art.

        The harsh reality of where we are now is truly a living nightmare day by day..

        and documented well ahead of time..

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      • cire512 says:

        Okay, what did we all expect? We asked for tougher “mental compentancy” standards or something of the kind to lets say, weed out the crazies after Sandy Hook. Just who did you/we think would be the arbitrators of this? We got what was asked for. they have us over a barrel now.

        The real question is, just how far will we let them push us? We don’t have to bend over and take it!

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      • Paul K says:

        woah look out, weve got a badass here.

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    2. Say When says:

      This vet says:
      Sometimes it seems that there is not a day goes by that I don’t add to the list of TPTB that can kiss this hillbilly’s royal rear end. Then I begin to realize that they would probably enjoy it.


      Splinters in Her Crotch

      A woman from Los Angeles who was a tree hugger, a liberal Democrat, and an anti-hunter,
      purchased a piece of timberland near Colville , WA. There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started to climb the big tree. As she neared the top she encountered a spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.

      In considerable pain, she hurried to a local ER to see a doctor. She told him she was an
      environmentalist, a democrat, and an anti-hunter and how she came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened to her story with great patience and then told her to go wait in the examining room and he would see if he could help her.

      She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The angry woman demanded, “What took you so long?”

      He smiled and then told her, “Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection
      Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a “recreational area” so close to a Waste Treatment Facility. I’m sorry, but due to Obama Care they turned me down.”

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      • Coffee up the nose… AGAIN…

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          I recall aprox 15 yrs ago when some progun guy was interviewed on some msm tv show, and the totally feminazisit woman that interviewed the guy stated something like. “well owning firearms means you have the needed things to make you and other gun owners Criminals”

          To which the guy replied to her. “And I can tell, as a woman You have all the necesary things to be a Prostitute which is also criminal”!

          Then while her mouth was agape in shock the guy quickly added “Of course,you aren’t one are You, a prostitute I mean”?

          It went viral when it was aired!

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        That was no recreational area. Somebody somewhere was damn tired of it.

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      • Grasshopper says:

        I’M a Tree Hugger and proud of it. And no, I don’t eat meat/hunt. HOWEVER, I also hate the Fascist bastards who have taken over our government and trying to destroy the Constitution. They want us divided, it helps their cause. Its not a matter of right or left; its a matter of FREEDOM OR TYRANNY!!

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        • Ted Kennedy says:

          I like trees too. I think the only thing Me-Bell should front run is for “everybody” to plant a tree and she could say she actually DONE something while POTUS was in office.

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      • Gregory8 says:

        Say When: Nice, it should be a taste of their own medicine. The problem with some people is that they’re keen on telling others how to live but don’t expect to have to live by the same rules.

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    3. Semper Fi y'all says:

      VA needs an ass reaming. Vets are the ones to do it with a little help from their sons and daughters.

      Semper Fi

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      • Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way! says:

        I’m afraid these people are going to piss the wrong person off who will then demonstrate to the idiots that it doesn’t take a firearm to reap havoc.

        The Coward of the County wasn’t what he seemed.

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        • wreak havoc says:

          Putting Piers Morgan in his place!

          When the government is allowed to disarm law abiding citizens, don’t expect them to be there when needing to defend yourself.

          Their motives are obviously nefarious and have nothing to do with preventing Sand Hook, Luby’s, Aurora, or any other mass casualty incident. Because, as you said: “it doesn’t take a firearm to reap[sic] havoc.”

          But, they sure come in handy when you are needing to defend yourself against perps. Like the girls in the video said.

          So Tommy, don’t let nobody mess with your Becky!

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        • Semper Fi y'all says:

          Finns showed Molotov the way in 1939.

          Semper Fi

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      • Yet another reason to avoid the military. As soon as you are not part of the machine, you become the enemy.

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    4. I tell you what to all the veterans out there. If shit hits the fan and you can’t get a firearm to defend yourself, I’ll damn sure hook you up with ammo to boot.

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    5. Chris45 says:

      One way TPTB are avoiding a face to face armed conflict, by pulling this backdoor psyche bullshit. They know that a fight with us is futile at best so now they are ajudicating mental illness as a means to disarm.Well fuckers in power, Come and take them. I’ve had it with this shit.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        Remember that the tribe has long experience weaponizing psychiatry against its enemies.

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      • Burrow Owl says:

        “Although we may not know it, we have, in our day, witnessed the birth of the Therapeutic State. This is perhaps the major implication of psychiatry as an institution of social control.”

        - An Inquiry Into the Social Uses of Mental Health Practices,
        by Thomas Szasz, (New York: Macmillan, 1963, p. 212)

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        • Semper Fi y'all says:

          Szasz got it right.

          .gov is on its way to outdo Stalin and murder by gulag, psycho babble leading the way.

          Counter it with a five man fire team, well armed and supplied.

          Semper Fi

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      • .gov will continue the one at a time raids as long as it works for them. They hope the wheels don’t come off before they get far enough along.

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    6. The tail now wags the dog….time for a serious “docking” to take place in America…the states have been usurped…time to renegotiate this contract called the union/federalgov.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        It is indeed, my southern brother. The states are very likely to be a strong defense against federal tyranny. They know and understand how easily the Feds slip from governing to ruling, a distinction that seems to confuse them lately.

        Tyrants don’t trust anyone. They can’t afford to because in their hearts they know what a PITA they are and that MANY would like to be rid of them… and SHOULD be. If they persist in treating our heroes like common criminals, every young person out there should refuse to serve, under any conditions. If a few thousand people refuse, it is no big deal but when 10s of millions refuse to serve, THAT is a big deal. It would be the 2×4 smack upside the head that WOULD get their attention.

        The DHS comment about “right wing extremists” is especially bad. What? There are no left-wing extremists out there? Well, maybe not. Maybe they are all in the Gov now.

        Hell, I thought that only communists and other scum of the Earth types resorted to using psychiatric hospitals as political enforcers. Looks to me like the Obamunists are showing their TRUE color and it is RED.

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        • Zoltanne says:

          Left-wing extremists? Off the top of my head Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorne, Ward Churchill, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda… Should we compile a list?

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          • Gunny MC130 says:

            Let’s take the time and list them all. It will give us something to look forward to.

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          • Tucker says:

            I’m about as hard core ‘conservative’ and ‘right-wing’ as anyone I’ve ever met, and I am here to say that I getting sick and tired of hearing people on the so-called ‘right’ shoveling manure on top of Jane Fonda.

            Granted, she is a lefty and a liberal and probably a borderline Communist – but, if anyone thinks that the Vietnam war was worth the lives of 58,000 or so of our military guys – the vast majority of whom were White men, or the vast amount of our tax dollars that were stolen from us in order to fund and fight that war – which, history clearly shows we were LIED INTO visi via the phony Gulf of Tonkin baloney spewed out of the LBJ Administration – then such an individual is complete imbecile and doesn’t understand the Big Picture at all.

            Fonda, despite her preponderance of warts – deserves a little credit, if anything she did helped to bring an end to that criminal enterprise. All Vietnam accomplished was to get a lot White men killed for no sensible reason and to allow a lot of well-connected treasonous rats in blue-suits in D.C. and in the military industrial complex world to engage in war profiteering and get filthy rich while our guys were getting their gonads shot off in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

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            • Zoltanne says:


              Fonda supported the Black Panthers and Huey Newton.

              Fonda was a big-time activist in Feminism.

              Jane Fonda is a Communist. Maybe you don’t care for the fact that she’s lopped into the far-left category but she belongs there by her own actions and words. And she’s aligned herself with Communist/Progressive causes.

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              • She will forever be Hanoi Jane to us vietnam vets.
                Tucker I agree, LBJ was the biggest bastard on the planet, but Hanoi Jane… was a traitor.

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                • JM Denver says:

                  @ Eisenkrutz

                  Whether you believe in the premise for the war or not is irrelevant. Our war machine will continue to prosecute worthless battles over useless prizes in the name of Democracy and Freedom, without truly believing in either, and there is nothing you or I can do about it.

                  But you do not give up your own people to the other side. Ever. That’s treason, traitorous, whatever word you use to describe it. You don’t do things to put your guys in more danger, period. It just isn’t done. Not at the military level, not at the civilian level, not at any level.

                  Hanoi Jane did not just protest the war, she met with the opposition and gave them information leading to the death and torture of many of our own men. For these crimes she needs to be remembered at the least, and truly needs to be tried in court.

                  Just my $0.02 for what it’s worth.

                  Bring on the thumbs!

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                • JM Denver,
                  Tell it like it is…

                  The boys doing the job are a completely different subject from the old men creating The Job.

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                • Eisen,
                  You sir, are an ass.
                  We never lost a battle, we didn’t lose the war.
                  It was the communists and the media people back home that lost that one.
                  It is a separate subject as to whether we should have been there in the first place.
                  No we shouldn’t have, but, we shouldn’t have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan either. After 911, we should have just turned Kabul into a glassy parking lot and called it good.

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              • Tucker says:

                I will try once again to post a perfectly legitimate reply to Zoltanne and to the rest of the Fonda critics. For some odd reason, my first attempt at this post was never approved on a site that claims to not believe in censorship.

                Well, if you’re fully committed to the guilt by association principle – then what label would you put on the millions of White European idiots who voted not once, but twice – for a known Communist (Obama) and allow this evil guy & his Communist cronies to have 8 years in office whereby he could aggressively work to destroy what’s left of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, finish resurrecting a totalitarian Police State that will make the old USSR look like a a Club Med vacation resort, allow him to deliberately flood our nation with millions of social entitlement craving, low skilled, poorly educated aliens from the third world who will be totally amenable to the Communist-Marxist-Socialist ideology that consumes this evil guy and now, he is working overtime to figure out how he can disarm any of us who aren’t keen on his Communist takeover agenda?

                I gave 36 years of my life to the defense of this nation and the entire time I was doing so, Communism was our #1 enemy – and yet, my stupid and apparently brainless fellow Americans showed me and millions of other men who’ve served – their gratitude by voting to put a Communist into the White House?

                How is Jane Fonda any better or worse than the typical Obama voter?

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          • John W. says:

            How about Gore,Clinton,Kerry,Lautenberg,Christy,Feinstein,Boxer,Schumer on and on ad nauseum.

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        • Bosco Gives You Energy says:

          People should be raising holy hell with their governor and state reps, on down to sheriff if appropriate. A fairly good sized city near here just adopted a resolution that it would not enforce any law that infringed on 2nd Amendment rights.

          This will not be won easily by lone wolves, but the worst can be headed off if the sovereign states begin to stand up to the federal leviathan. You should praise those state officials that take a stand and demand the others do the same.

          Politicians and popular issues are like flies to shit…they can’t help themselves. Give them a reason to champion the Bill of Rights in your state.

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        • Mountain Trekker says:

          41Mag, sure hate to disagree with you, but you sure can’t trust the states to be a defence against federal tyranny. Wyoming is considered to be a Conservative State, but when the sheeple elect typical main stream Republicans, such as Gov. Matt Mead and he appoints a Democrat AG that makes recomendations, to gutless Wyoming Republican Senators that follow Obama’s lead, then you have no defence from the Feds. Wyo. HB104 the fire arms protection act was passed by the house by a super majority of 46 to 13 and was sent to the Senate where it was gutted by 3 Republicans, by adding amendments after they conferred with the AG a Dem. appointed by Gov. Mead if I may repeat. It was already known that Mead didn’t want to deal with this bill. And as I posted in another comment yesterday these turncoat Republican are. They will be remembered. Trekker Out. Honor Few And Fear None

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          • JM Denver says:

            This truly sucks. I was hoping Wyoming would lead the charge in this fight against the unlawful Fed. We are looking at buying some property up there due to the increasingly anti-gun posture of my home state.

            Colorado went blue this time around and now we are facing even more anti-gun legislation from a liberal majority in the house, senate as well as liberal governor.

            Do what you can locally and at the state level, I fear the Federal Leviathan can only be starved out at this point. Head on resistance may be hopelessly futile, but maybe we can feint and dodge and hide from the thing until it runs out of steam.

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      • okiefeller says:

        the rise of the south,amen.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Most state govs are no better than the fed

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Kulafarmer. Other than those few state governments that have decided that they will NOT allow the feds to violate the 2nd. Amendment. Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana are three states that will be the last states to fall to anything that would take our rights away to defend ourselves from enemies both domestic and foreign.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Sorry BI, seems you can scratch Wyoming. If you read my comment, posted just a couple of comments ahead of yours, you will see what I mean. Since they only take 2 or 3 hours to clear a comment made on this site, you probably did’nt see it when you posted your’s. Trekker Out.

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    7. BigB says:

      So many veterans have traded the right to own a gun for a few pieces of silver per month that the Veterans Administration offered if they would just say that they have Post Traumatic Syndrome (PTSD).

      Every time you see your primary care physician they make note of your mental condition and if needed they recommend you to a shrink, just to sort things out, then they got you. You just got treated for a mental disorder.

      Now they will report all veterans with mental problems no matter what the degree just to be on the safe side. That is the end of that veteran legally owning a gun again.

      Dirty bastards. Should of seen this one coming when Janet Napolitano declared all veterans with combat training as terrorists in 2008. They just keep on painting everyone into a corner, group by group so they can take us out one at a time.


      BigB is getting angry

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      • 8 Veterans a day kill themselves. Some do need that help; I realize its hard to imagine but some really do need the help. The sad thing is our government wants to attach that help to their individual rights. That is because in some rare cases those people shouldn’t have guns now – yes – I dare say in a very few (1/200 according to my wife who is a licensed counselor for the VA) are mentally ill to the point where they should not be permitted to own / have access to a gun. In 3 years working for the VA she has not lost one – came close two weeks ago.

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        • 9er Xray says:

          My compliments to your wife for her efforts. As a Viet-Nam Vet 68~69, I personally have done all I could to avoid the VA Hospital. That is not because of the staff, I just do not want the mega-intrusion and “gotcha punji stake” regulatory chicken manure. The very thing this article speaks of.

          So to my fellow vets & patriots, stay healthy, remember well your training and believe in Duty, Honor, God & Country. Treat your fellow citizens with respect and be courteous.

          We all see what the real threat to this nation is.

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          • Amen 9er Xray,
            I didn’t want anything to do with their so called ‘benefits’…
            With Ocare, I’m concerned, now that I’m ‘poor’, that I will be forced into that system. As I wrote in previous thread. It will then be time to ‘play the game’…
            No guns.
            No depression.
            No anger issues.
            Nope, nope, none here.
            I have it on good authority that lying to the gov is a righteous act.

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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              Piper: Polititions Always play the “I do Not recall” game. That way if later investigated and found that they did something…They cannot be charged with a Lie. All it was is I don’t recall. If it works for them…..

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              • Angelo,
                I have a feeling that is the ultimate catch 22…
                a game only won by politicians. For the rest of us it goes something like…

                “You don’t RECALL if you have a gun?”
                “Does it make you angry that you can’t remember things?”
                “I don’t know… should it?”

                “No, its fine, don’t worry… we have a nice bed for you… ORDERLY!”

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                • Hands in His Pants says:

                  New law in northen state: mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns.

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                • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                  Piper: Or Loaded questions like “Do You Still Beat your wife”?…Answer: “I Never beat my wife! But may consider it if she ever gets as butt ugly and fatassed as Your wife there in the front row”.

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            • JayJay says:

              I am not depressed.
              I am not suicidal.
              I do not own guns.

              VA visit next Wednesday.

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            • Zoltanne says:

              Piper, Open a small Amish church and request the waiver for Obamacare.

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              • I HAVE considered it, by the creation of a TRUST. And, selling all my goods, properties and stuff to it, thereby rendering myself penniless ‘on paper’.
                If we were to ALL do that, and supported each other by having our own network, I wonder if we could get away with it.
                Thus, we ‘hide in the rock of ages’.

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                • 9er Xray says:

                  PM – Excellent planning. I suspect we all will be poorer sooner than expected. It will all be by design.

                  BTW we get some thumbs down just for a POSITIVE posting. The “keyboard Obamite trolls” are bored tonight.

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                • Piper Michael, there is already a network like that. Its called “Christian Healthcare Ministries”. I have serveral friends in it. It nullifies Kenyancare and it seems to work well. Its not insurance and they only ask for a gift of $85 a month. (They have serveral “levels”) Google them and join. Its not quite what you’re talking about above but similar.

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                • NetRanger,
                  Will check that out.
                  But, was thinking of taking it to a whole new level.
                  Its called leaving The System.

                  If you think about it, there is no way to Go Galt in this country… there is no magic shield or hidden valley anywhere outside the purview of ‘property taxes’. That’s where they get you.

                  So, we are thinking of using the same loopholes that the rich use to beat the tax man. If I can do this, and then get a Federal warrant on my land as being a ‘Swamp wildlife preserve’, then there is no way the bank, or the county, can do anything with it…

                  We would like to investigate this avenue more… if there are any like minded folks around, doing it as a group effort, would be a lot easier.

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                • PS:
                  We end up simply being a trustee and steward of the ‘preserve’.

                  In essence you end up ‘poor in spirit’. In the Greek, that meant becoming deliberately poor.
                  Today, its called Going Galt.

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                • Zoltanne says:

                  Piper, the legal avenue of placing properties into a Trust is something my husband keeps mentioning. In the back of my mind, though,is the reality that if the Feds want something they don’t have, can’t they negate any legal instrument previously defined and filed?

                  The “swamp land” designation — wouldn’t that be along the same lines as a “conservation easement” or a “land trust”?? If so, I believe portions of the land use and zoning that is defined in Agenda 21 addresses these things.

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              • Just another way barry the bassturd is trying to divide us…making a group of people into special citizens who are exempt…sorry barry but this Native born Cherokee/Irish rebel hillbilly farmer wont be forced into your danged collective.

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            • Eisenkreuz says:

              When that little shitstain Holder stops lying we will too. Never give a black man any responsibility.

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              • Well we agree on something, but word it correctly…

                ‘Never give a black man any responsibility over WHITE people’.
                I have seen the results of this, and it seems to mostly go to their heads. Not always, there are good ones, but they are under the 80-20 rule.
                The HNIC is a perfect example of the 80%.

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        • Just In Case says:

          Thanks for sharing I’m sure there are some Vets as well as some non vets that shouldn’t have guns. I know a few myself that shouldn’t have a gun. We just have to watch out the goverment doesn’t abuse the that power. Thanks again for sharing!

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        • I hear that military personnel are fed as many antidepressants as they will eat. I suspect that this is the root of the suicide problem.

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          • Sunshine says:

            Not only that, but I had a military friend who couldn’t get approved for an overseas assignment because they said he had a “sleep disorder”. He couldn’t believe it–he had reported having sleeping problems for a couple of months and been put on Ambien and it was used against him. He said it was a real eye opener and made him think twice about going to the doctor for anything.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        Yeah, they are painting alright but it is not us who is in the corner. They have not figured out yet that when they, at long last, have separated out everyone they consider undesirable, they will be ALL alone and will have a LOT of angry people giving them some VERY hard stares.

        This BS is nothing short of political persecution. It stinks and it IS so obvious that it is pathetic.

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      • desert_rat says:


        You hit the nail on the head… The “free” PTSD money has a price. I actually heard a Sgt telling his guys to make sure they claimed PTSD so they would get a larger disability check. I am in no way saying that PTSD is not a major issue for some, but lack of true diagnosis and not explaining the consequences of a diagnosis should be provided to our boys (and girls)…

        DR – still putting together an exit strategy…

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        • John Q. Public says:

          Since an “executive” declaration by BATFE in 2010 Medical Marijuana patients also lost their gun rights.

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        • I know of no medical test for any “mental disorder” The whole “chemical imbalance” bit is horseshit. If an imbalance cannot be shown by a test, how do you know when a proper balance has been achieved?

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      • TxRNGR says:

        Janet Napolitano declared all veterans with combat training as terrorists in 2008. Then she should understand that we all have specialized training from close quarters to snipers. She should be worried. 2000 meters isnt that far with 10 rounds coming a 1 time. This method was utilized for extreme distance, thus guaranteed success!!!!

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    8. oh but they were competent to fight their oil wars, risk thier lives for this government and thier crooked ways,, but with one swipe of a pen they are rendered defenseless?

      Shame on you US Government,, shame shame same

      i wouldnt expect anything but this from them pukes..they never took good care of vets to begin with.. take it to thier door step vets.

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    9. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      The Veterans Administration is where American Veterans go to Die !!!

      All Veterans Beware …

      V.A. = Eugenics DeathCare Death

      Eugenics DeathCare Death = Veterans Administration

      All Veterans should seek proper safe All Natural based Health Care from “Private” Health Care Givers Only , the V.A. will only poison you with cancer causing radiation , BIG PHARMA drugs laced with arsenic and other heavy metal toxic poisons , kill you with ineptness .

      Seek all Healthcare Psychcare Social-Services outside the V.A. System from a Guaranteed All Natural Private Health Care Provider , if you want to Live a Healthy normal life again .


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      • Don’t agree or disagree, but, don’t want to give them the chance and find out.
        (Too much funny business in their ‘system’. But, I have a buddy who is very satisfied with the new local VA Clinic. Not so much when he has to go to the Big House.)

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      • Grasshopper says:

        That’s right, Nightmare!! I stopped going to doctors ages ago! I’ve been studying natural healing for many, many years… too many stories of people dieing/getting worse from going to main stream doctors… plus, tons of books on the despicable, corrupt pharmaceutical industry!Actually, that’s how my mom died–from medical malpractice. Drugs and surgery are invasive, dangerous practices, which often simply cover up symptoms temporarily.

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        • mallardhen says:

          Couldn’t agree more with the natural healing medical practices and stay away from the mass produced drugs so many of the Dr’s push down your throats. I am 75 and take no medications I use herbs and natural cures and have for over 50 years, have a very hard time making people believe my age. God made us and put us on this earth do you really think he wouldn’t provide for us in a natural way using the plants he also created. Using plants and herbs I have for my own family and others healed a lot of sicknesses and injuries successfully and will continue to do so as long as I can. I am not saying their is not a place for todays Dr.’s for some things but think about it why are all thes plants and herbs here on earth if their is not a reason other then they look pretty.

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      • JayJay says:

        Fine for you AmeriKa…but for many of us it is THE only option.
        The insurance 20 years ago for dh was $600 when self-employed–can you imagine with a history of open heart surgery, 3 strokes, carotid surgery, hypertension since age 26?? what the premiums would be now??
        We’d be lucky to get medical for $5000 a month??

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        • JayJay says:

          Just two medicines he was prescribed last week when he experienced another stroke, Lipitor and Plavix, are priced $120 and $180, and that is generic!!!

          Brand names are $239 and $262…$501!!!

          We are at VA’s mercy!!

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    10. they are doing this because they know the vets will uphold thier oath..and know how to fight …
      this is a preemptive move, and everyone should heed this as a major warning..

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      • 41MagMan says:

        This is yet another shot that is being fired in “the quiet war” that is being waged against patriots by the mooch class loving lefto-communists. I would say “shame on them” but… they have no shame, so it would do no good at all.

        What will do some good is to support liberty loving political candidates, especially those who do not desire a permanent job in politics. The US House is in a perfect position to serve as a blocking force to prevent the Obamunists from achieving anything dastardly in their 2nd term. They should not even bring up for a vote ANY gun control nonsense at all. In fact, they should be drafting legislation that rolls back most of the gun laws already on the books that are ineffective, expensive, and infringements of our 2nd Amendment rights. When questioned about it, just say that this is how Harry Reid does things in the Senate, so it must be good for the House to do the same. Then move on to doing other things of considerably more value.

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        • The Obama cheerleaders in the house and Senate think they will be part of the ruling elite, but after considation of power, elimination of potential political opposition is always part of the plan. Obviously none of them were history majors.

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      • Grasshopper says:

        What we have is a Fascist takeover. IMO, a coup occurred when Bush was illegally placed in office. That’s what we’re dealing with–plain and simple. Fascism. And we better get ready to fight because they are not going to just leave us alone.

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        • John W. says:

          How was Bush illegally placed in office? hanging chads which are not valid votes no matter how much BS is spread. hanging chads which resulted from twenty or thirty ballots at a time being punched and not all the chads getting knocked out. With people as dumb as you no wonder the left is winning.

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      • What's going on... says:

        Why do I get the feeling you are a chick or a grumpy old guy with yellow stained arm pit tshirts?


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        • JustOneGuy says:

          @ Wgo,

          Geez, ain’t that the truth…I’m about BLIND from his persistent CAPS LOCK……..


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        • Gregory8 says:

          What’s going on: Yeah, really. Big E sounds like an old woman going through menopause. Take your estrogen sweety and calm down. Must be the hot flashes.

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            • might wanna be careful with your insults, it could be an inbred redneck that saves your hide…(or not)

              shotgun, rifle and a 4 wheel drive, counrty boy can survive

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            • Professor Higgins says:

              Eisenkreutz: Gregory8 is correct and it is you who are in error. Both are proper spellings of the word meaning ‘dearest’ or ‘darling’. Just as colour and color, and civilization and civilisation, are both correct. They can all be found in Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary. It appears it is you who needs a trip to the library because your little pocket dictionary is obviously inadequate to the task. The library staff will to more than happy to help you find the dictionary in the reference section. Good luck and tah tah.

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                • Professor Higgins says:

                  Eisenkreuz: You ignorant and arrogant little horse’s ass, where on Earth do think English came from? You must be the inbred little redneck you spoke of earlier. The words I presented are all in the English dictionary, hence they are acceptable. No one is incorrect for either spelling, it’s just a matter of preference. You are undoubtedly one of the most backward savages on this planet. You undoubtedly never read the history of our language and how it came to be. You are probably one of those bunpkins I hear from time to time in America who think the King James Bible and Shakespeare were written in Old English. How does it feel to only semi-literate in the only language you profess to know?

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                • John W. says:

                  How would you know you semi literate dickwad?

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            • freeamericanpattiot says:

              It is Not free moron. Tax payer funded. Maybe one day you will understand.

              Sorry folks, I dont commen very often (bout once a year) but when people say something government provided is free, I just want to smack em.

              Whew, I feel better now. Back to my bunker.

              FAP out


              Molon labe

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                PROF forgot to include the word “BE” in his final sentence..5-Demerits for Prof know it all eh.

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              • JuustOneGuy says:

                @ freeameraicanpatriot,

                Bravo Friend…I get so sick of hearing that I could vomit. How long will it take for people to get that there is NOTHING FREE in life…whatever you get at no cost to you COST someone somewhere. Nice to hear from you ‘free’.
                Stop in and say ‘Hello’ as you can!


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              • Professor Higgins says:

                John W: So you too must have thought, or still think, that these works in the English language are “Old English”. You’re just another backwoods bumpkin as is that cranky Eisenkreutz. How pathetic a creature you must be to not even know the one language you do speak. As some of my younger American friends would say, “it must suck to be you”.

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      • Eisen,
        Now I know, YOU’RE just a YOUNG’UN. Thus the source of your passion, and often irrational conclusions, as well as poor spelling.

        As much as I should curse you back, I won’t.
        You don’t go far enough back in your little history rant though. The ‘police state’ you mention… did it start soon after the Constitution was ratified, as the new Fed gov enacted something called the Whiskey tax. Which caused something called the Whiskey Rebellion, in which several gov agents were killed. Did it start during the civil war when ‘rebels’ attacked the Fed gov, and afterwards during the Reconstruction when the police state you mentioned, was imposed by Washington? Was it a ‘police state’ that murdered whole tribes of native Americans with bio warfare when they gave them blankets infected with small pox? Or how about after the legal drinking of alcohol was made illegal? How about all the dumb dopers rotting in jail cells today? Or the innocent deaths as collateral damage from drones, soon to come to a home near you?

        So when did the Police state begin? Was it those evil Whiskey rebels, or the confederate patriots who were pushing for a return to ultimate states rights, or was it those dumb indians who were so divided into tribes that they let the white man take their whole continent? The generation after WWII who lived through the cold war, and accepted all manner of common sense in order to protect us from the Red tide? Now we have Arab terrorists as the buggy man for fooling the DGI, so the say I see it, it ain’t the Baby boomers who are the PROBLEM.

        It is evil, pure and simple. And when you centralize power, evil is attracted to it like moths to a flame. Thus centralized power becomes absolute power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

        This all boils down to the books of Samuel, when God told us He did not want us to have a King… but we had to have a King… so how’s all that King stuff worked out for ya?

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        • Eisenkreuz says:

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        • Zoltanne says:

          Eisenass went off the meds. And he’s pissed because Momma won’t buy the Friday night pizza.

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          • Hi Z!
            Yup, I notice he never responds to me, just gives me the thumbs down treatment…

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            • Bastet says:

              And I wish no-one would respond to him! Stop feeding the troll!

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              • No worries about that anymore…
                He has shown his true colors.
                Him, finx and JoeinNC, now go into ignore land.

                FBP and NINaO…
                QUIT your pissing matches, or you too will end up there.
                Both of you have something intelligent to say once in a while.
                Say it.

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              • Eisenkreuz says:

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                • Then behave like a human being and you will be treated as such.

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                • Walt Kowalski says:

                  The lady doth protest too much me thinks.

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                • tyrannyandtraitors says:

                  Well, I do believe the truly dangerous police state started with Bush and his UN-Patriot Act. Deny it if you want but it is true. Baby Boomers like my parents and their parents before them were busy believing the lies of FDR LBJ and the idiot Carter. They voted for these commies. They are now reaping what they sowed. Is this not partly true? Yes, the police state, or military/industrial complex was here before then. Did Eisenhower not warn us of such? Eisenkreuz unfortunately makes some valid points. He should not be completely dismissed. I said some, not all. Having said that, Eisen, settle down. Communicate in a normal tone and stop the caps. I see the validity in some of your arguments, some, but you will never get people to listen or debate with you if you are CAPPING and unreasonable. We need everyone we can find that has any sort of patriotic mind. Me may mot agree completely but we need to get along and fight our common enemy. That would be this tyrannical behemoth we call the federal government. OK haters, add your comments…..

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                • Gregory8 says:

                  Eisenkraut: Are TOO… a troll.

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                • AnonLegion says:

                  troll is not as in troll under a bridge, troll is as in trolling for a bite. It is a fishing term since you are fishing for replies. Most of the people here and in most blogging think it is troll under the bridge. So no your not a troll your a Fisher.

                  It has been asserted that the verb to troll originates from Old French troller, a hunting term. A verb “trôler” is found in modern French-English dictionaries, where the main meaning given is “to lead, or drag, somebody about”. In modern English usage, the verb to troll describes a fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat. A similar but distinct verb, “to trawl,” describes the act of dragging a fishing net (not a line). Whereas trolling with a fishing line is recreational, trawling with a net is generally a commercial activity.

                  The noun troll comes from the Old Norse word for a mythological monster. The word evokes the trolls of Scandinavian folklore and children’s tales, where they are often creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have appeared on the Internet in the late 1980s, but the earliest known example is from 1992. Early non-Internet related use of trolling for actions deliberately performed to provoke a reaction can be found in the military; by 1972 the term trolling for MiGs was documented in use by US Navy pilots in Vietnam.

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              • I will await patiently, and give you a chance to scroll through previous threads…
                and give you a chance to redeem yourself.
                But, your recent comments concerning the deaths of innocent millions, and being happy about it, and calling people names, and correcting spelling with bad spelling corrections, has, pushed you over the line into trolldom.

                If you wish to repent, and apologize to others you have greatly offended, you are given an opportunity. I won’t speak for them, but I give people chances, think of it as reincarnation…

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                • Anonymous says:

                  Then shouldn’t you give the same chance to the other two you also mentioned?

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                • Sorry,
                  I do not respond to ‘anonymous’.
                  But just this once, other two?
                  They have been in pissing matches for awhile now. Which I stay out of…
                  I’m warning them for other people, that are fed up with pissing contests detracting from Mac’s site.
                  Mac is decent enough to allow us to comment and form community, he gets the hits and the ad volume and pretty much stays out of it, so we ourselves need to be the forum mods, or it will all blow up as good people go elsewhere in a hissy.
                  Can’t have that. Too decent a crowd in this place.

                  Now, change your name, to a ‘name’.

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                • eeder,
                  Not me, you too seem to have reading comprehension problems sometimes.
                  I said, I speak for others who I am in contact with off the board.
                  If you look at the commenting policy below, you will see that Mac politely asks for civil discourse, but he does not ban anyone, he leaves that up to us via the thumbs.

                  Whether you know it not, a thumbs down brigade is present. Both good and bad, but it appears, the good guys outnumber the bad guys.

                  The only thing that really gets under my skin is when trolls slam on Ms. Daisy, NP, BI, JOG and others who are the true soul of this site, who contribute greatly. And then newbies come in with attitude not know any history.

                  Newbies, lurk before you post, and you will get along just fine. There are many who do this, and they a fine folks. You will notice it is you young’uns with attitude that get ignored.

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              • Eisen, your pendullum swings pretty far each way. One of these times it’s not going to rebound but wrap around your neck and choke your lights out.

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                • eeder says:

                  @piper michael. you are just over the top. tell me more about how it is here at shtfplan. Tell me more about the heart and soul. You fucking clown! Shove it up your ass with a blowtorch sideways. Fucking asshole.

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              • RedPine says:

                Respond to any topic put forth on this forum that you
                care to. Just understand we are a like-minded group of
                friends with a strong sense of patriotic duty with the
                common goal of freedom from tyranny.

                Young or old, male or female, we are all one community
                gathered here as Friends of Liberty. We do not tend to
                gnaw on each others various personalities, but instead,
                direct our energies against those who would subvert us.
                Friends do not spit in the faces of friends.

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                • don't tread says:

                  Agreed RedPine. Since we are talking about “our” freedoms as US citizens, that are granted “freedom of speech” under “our” constitution; I think it is fair to say that foreigners need to STF out of discussions amongst ourselves.

                  More specifically he who goes by “eeder” a canadian.
                  Stay the f’k out of our business. Our constituition hasn’t been changed to give canadians any voice/vote here. When you attack one of our own (Piper Michael) you attack the rest of us.

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                • Piper weeps tears of joy, don’t tread.
                  To be included as one of yours.

                  May the Force be with you.

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              • Dick says:

                Eisen you are the reason parents eat their young. Does your mom know your on the Internet?

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      • kaynine says:

        You know Eisenmeister!!! Your comment regarding the “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS” slogan had me thinking.
        some time ago,what if??? this was a conditioning program???. support,support,support,Do not queston your support for our troops, they know whats best.
        And all the sheeple said YES!!!! We do support our troops, and anyone who looks like troops, we will not queston,we will follow all orders given by our troops,while being led to the fema camps. think about it? just thinking.

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        • Rick:) says:

          Eisen K..

          Small doses dude. Your eyes are open. But US old farts have been conditioned for a long time.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Kaynine: yes I agree. Think back to when bush jr began intense crys to invade iraq and afgan. At once and all of a sudden we all were swamped with fox in the lead, then cnn and all other MSM’s trying very hard to convince all americans to support tropps regardless what truth was.

          All MSM’s trotted out old vietnam era protest scenes again, while telling us how hippies and kommie leftists all so hated vetrens and returning vets fron Nam.

          While yes it is truth that did happen and many leftists spit on and called baby killer names to our Nam vets alot. It is quite obvious if you think of how all a sudden it became almost a Fasion statement to wave china made small usa flags and hang out at airports to shake the hand of total strangers as long as they were Military or Nat Gaurd.

          I have zero doubt it was a true psyops agenda and still is today. Ever since afgan and iraq with bush jr it became almost the same to question Anything Military or Wars, that you are equated the same as a Raysssiiisss if you do not fall in line.

          Disclaimer: I do support usa military, My Father was a Vet from WWII and Korea both. But I also refuse to blindly support phony Wars like we see today.

          I find it difficult to believe today with so much info available, that we still see so many usa citizens who do such Blind support as long as they heard it on TV MSM or Fox or CNN Trots out some warmonger ret. general to tell us its good to invade nations who have not harmed us nor will likly ever be able to do so.

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          • Ugly says:

            Angelo….today’s wars are fought for another agenda. A world-wide agenda. Our troops today are not fighting for American survival, but for something else. Young men and women are losing their lives for something else.

            Today’s youth should go to college and skip the military.

            Let the new American Communists reinstate the draft.

            I don’t know how many countries we are in now, but basically it is the World minus China, Russia, and Iran. Soon maybe?

            God Bless the Veterans.

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              • You are treading dangerously close to the party line of the Westboro Baptist “Church” with that comment. God doesn’t hate anyone.

                While I also have a dislike of war, I take the veterans one by one. I don’t respect them merely because they are a veteran – but because of the person they have become and the honor they display. Some of the finest people I know, including my father, are veterans. Are they fine people merely because of that fact? No – there is far more to a person than the 5-10 years they spent in an the occupation of “soldier”. I also know some veterans that have disgraceful morals, no honor, and who write everything off to “just following orders”. These people are not in the group I hold in esteem.

                Generalization is the sign of a lazy mind, and I think you are smarter than that.

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              • JM Denver says:

                Actually number 1 is “Thou shalt have no other Gods before me”

                “Thou shalt not kill (commit murder – look up the original meaning in aramaic)” is number 5

                You shall not murder sometimes translated as You shall not kill, KJV Thou shalt not kill, is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah, specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
                The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

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                • Amen…
                  Too many are lazy now days, and just accept the Illusion of the Authorities.
                  We must peel back the new meanings of words, to reveal the old, in order to discover truth.

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                • Eisenkreuz says:

                  I stand corrected.

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                • AnonLegion says:

                  jm sorry but you did not read the 5th comandment in aramaic no one did.

                  The majority of the old testament was in hebrew.

                  The first human author to write down the biblical record was Moses. He was commanded by God to take on this task, for Exodus 34:27 records God’s words to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” And what language did he use? He wrote in his native language, called Hebrew.

                  Hebrew is one of a group of languages known as the Semitic languages which were spoken throughout that part of the world, then called Mesopotamia, located today mainly in Iraq. Their alphabet consisted of 22 letters, all consonants. (Imagine having an alphabet with no vowels! Much later they did add vowels.)

                  Almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew during the thousand years of its composition. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic. This language became very popular in the ancient world and actually displaced many other languages. Aramaic even became the common language spoken in Israel in Jesus’ time, and it was likely the language He spoke day by day. Some Aramaic words were even used by the Gospel writers in the New Testament.

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Eisenkraut,or is this Sybil? Your shouting, what kind of impression are you going to make on the other side, your English is great but your profanity is terrible. Please be civil, your making us look bad. Oh Yeah, I think the younger aged voting block, went for Obamay, and probably for most of the past Liberal Presidents, that gave us Big Government. So Please don’t attack us old folks. But we still love you! Thank You. Trekker Out

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        • Eisenkreuz says:

          College professors all supported fascism in the 30′s. The universities in Germany had a huge role in the development of the Holocaust, look up the Institutes for Racial Hygiene. Now they try to expergate this history. Today the all-knowing college professors beat socialism into our heads. However, I have personally been involved in huge libertarian rallies on college campuses recently. I think an awakening is going on at some level.

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          • Prescott says:

            Eisenkreutz: Fine, name some of them if you can. I call bullshit! As for your delusion of libertarians rising, it only shows that you’re new to it. There is no ground swell or awakening at colleges or anywhere else for that matter. I first learned about libertarians in 1980. I’ve actually had lunch with Presidental Candidate Clark and spoke with him at length because I was a party member in my state and campaigned heavily for our candidates. He won 1.06% of the vote in 1980. The closest the party has come to that was this last election where they got a whopping .99%. Hell, Gregory8 thinks you’re some crabby old woman going through menopause but I can tell you’re just a kid by your lack of knowledge and experience.

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            • Amen.
              Eisen doesn’t listen, he spouts invective.
              I believe, the closest anyone has come to making an impact on the two party system, is Ross Perot at 19%… in ’91-92 was it?
              That represents the Awake level of this country, back then… what is it now?
              After this last election, with millions of conservatives staying away from the polls entirely, I think the awake level is rising.
              The Black Caesar did not ‘win’ this election in the conventional manner, he was handed it by the folks who said ‘F* it’.

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            • Eisenkreuz says:

              Name some of what? Who said anything about libertarians rising to the level of a majority? It is public knowledge I am young, so what?

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      • brain dead says:

        I agree, people can’t accept the truth.

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    12. Stinky Steve says:

      Of course our government doesn’t want our veterans to own firearms! Our veterans are the highest trained marksmen on earth! Our D.H.S.are inadequately trained and that’s why they need billions of bullets! Game On!

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    13. cjmartel says:

      Every day there is some new wrinkle, a new twist to further restrict our lives, now we veterans are going to be labeled incompetent by some puke in an office a thousand miles away based on God knows what type of criteria. I believe we are now fast approaching the terminal breaking point, an economy in the crapper, an administration with all the morals of an alley cat, and now thanks to that traitor Roberts, we now have obamacare which will be utilized to strip what little remaining liberty we have from us. We have the state of New York passing the most draconian gun laws in the nation with a midnight vote!! I swear, I am going to kick the next idiot that tells me we live in a free nation, we live in nothing but a debt fueled cage, time for the Three percent to take their posts.

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      • sixpack says:

        An alley cat knows when to go find another fence to howl on all night. Politicians just try to legislate against throwing stuff at midnight noise makers…

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      • Sorry to be the one to say it, but USA NEEDS a cold reboot. The hard drive may be unsalvagable and in need of reformatting. Too many files have been corrupted.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        CJ: Yep, america has been and continues to be turned into the same as former Soviets Russia was. I read once that back during soviet rule of russia a person had so many hoops and gov agencys to jump thru that it took 14-16 yrs on Avg. Just to be “Approved” to buy a new car!

        And that folks there got “Used” to it all since Loans were also not avail. and it took on avg the same time frame of 14+ yrs to save enough cash to pay for new car!

        Like 3rd world mexico ET AL today(and who knows for how long now) it is the Normal way to do everything by Paying gov agents Bribes for most all they do. While also awaiting tons of paperwork and hoops to jump thru.

        I do wish we can convince massive numbers to not just say NO to antigun crap laws, but also refuse flat out to obey 99% of ALL such BS laws today. As You stated it is now each day that goes by we see Another intrusion and law and means to do what we used to simply…Do.

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    14. My wife is a counselor for the VA. She has already seen more than 10 veterans refuse to let her help them with PTSD or anything else out of fear of losing their gun rights. Nice job Federal Govt. Way to screw with those who gave all they could for you.

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      • TrailGuide says:

        My thoughts, Jim. Is this just a work around to get the battered to fore-go treatment. Would this not stew a terrible brew in a Vet that could benefit from some help. Is this a work around to not pay for ‘injury’ or is it a trigger to send someone on edge – over the edge? Many questions never to be answered for this evil, corrupt group. I shutter at the souls who have given until it is indescribable are now receiving this trash in the mail.

        I am sickened by the number of those who had honorable reasons; yet have perished at their murderous hands.
        My only solace is I know ‘they’ will; each and every slimy one them, will pay when the reckoning is counted. I leave thoughts of how justice will be meted out to the Lord.

        Bless your wife for her efforts.
        ~,,~ /tg

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        • JayJay says:

          Call me conspiracy queen, but I think something is being given these young men to cause such a rise in suicides.
          Do they encounter anything any harsher than those in other wars??

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          • Jayjay ~

            I could completely see that happening. They are forced to have vaccinations or to take pills at any time the forces see fit. They have signed themselves over, body and soul, to be the property of the US government when they join the military.

            Who is to say that some little piece of microtechnology is not injected during one of those inoculations? Or some other type of medication given that messes with their mind?

            What a “wonderful” budget cut for the VA – dead soldiers don’t require health care or pensions, do they? :(

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          • No JJ they don’t but the other ones came home to a free country with oppertunities.

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    15. Keep a spare for a veteran near you.

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    16. Say When says:

      I seem to remember in the movie Patriot with Mel Gibson when he and his son are recruiting for their group of patriot militia, they go into the local pub and there are some of roughest, toughest, veterans of the French and Indian War. Son says to Dad–”We don’t need this type, Dad says, “This is just the type we need.”
      When the SHTF, I would proudly share my duty rifles with a vet.

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    18. freespeach says:

      I know how many of you feel about getting off topic but here is a bit of information about Obamacare bill.

      I got this email yesterday:

      Wednesday, it was discovered that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare, there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms
      It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
      According to that amendment, the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” This means that the government CANNOT mandate firearm registration. No registration, no confiscation. Poor ol’ Joe Biden, he spent the last couple of weeks focusing on making a law requiring registration. Good thing is though, the amendment also states that not
      even an executive order can override the amendment
      CNN is now referring to it as “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that’s exactly right. He says he personally added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.
      I researched the document and found on page 2037 sec. 2716 & 2717 which goes to page 2040 and it is a very interesting read. It does talk allot about the 2nd Amendment.

      Just wanted to share that with you all and I hope that maybe Mac Salvo might see this and do an article about it, since the lame main media is not reporting about it.

      Thanks ya all.

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      • Thanks, freespeach for bringing this up…however, a while back, I read the text myself. What it DOES say is that doctors, under the ACA, cannot compile records of patient ownership of firearms. It doesn’t restrict another government agency from compiling records or using ACA mental diagnosis to determine whether they think a patient is competent to own a firearm. It really is just a toothless attempt to convince the public that ACA will protect gun rights. It won’t. They always word their codes and statutes to allow themselves an out. CNN is running cover for Obama.

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      • common sense says:

        Second amendment.
        Everything else is simply toilet paper.

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      • MXLord327 says:

        Freespeach – no it only means they cannot do it under the guise of 0bamacare. It will still be done, just under a different govt group.

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    19. Burrow Owl says:

      Question for the Powers That Be:

      Don’t you have any original ideas of your own?


      Joseph Stalin already did this years ago.

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    20. DiveGerl says:

      Let’s get this show on the road already! Once the first shot goes off in this endevor- that’s all she wrote…all HELL breaks loose!

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      • Moral high ground demands FIRST BLOOD to be drawn by the bad guys.
        Then you have CAUSUS BELLI.

        Calm down, and keep your eyes open.
        This group of fascist socialists have learned their lessons from the past. They won’t do much blatently, they will do it with ‘laws’, until they have all the power. Then the velvet glove comes off, and then loosing all hell will be allowable.

        No matter what you do at this point, you, will be the bad guy.
        Feel free to break some windows, and burn down some facilties, however, don’t hurt anybody and you’ll be a hero, not a heel.

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        • Grasshopper says:

          They aren’t really passing laws; they’re passing legislature. If something goes against the Constitution, its UNLAWFUL, and therefore not law! Just keep a copy of the Constitution with you at all times!!

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          • “All political power emanates from the barrel of a gun.”

            I would suggest you understand the full meaning of the above statement grasshopper.

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            • RickInOregon says:

              “All political power emanates from the barrel of a gun.”

              this is the reason for gun control, there can only be one political power and in the mind of the progressive, all other political thought my be extinguished.

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            • Grasshopper says:

              Might doesn’t make right… and that’s the point!

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              • Might, contains its own rightness within.
                It matters not if it is morally reprehensible or against God given rights and natural law, it simply IS.

                This, in and of itself, is the REASON for the 2nd amendment. It is the guarantor of all the other rights of the minority in a republican form of government. As long as they pay lip service to the Constitution, and politics as usual is the Game, then that is the restraint on individual action.

                But, this president has now stepped outside that boundary with his flouting of law and courts. He has even made it known, that Congress is irrelevant to his plans.

                This is the dividing line between ‘politics as usual’ and ‘politics by other means’.

                The tree is thirsty, it is groaning in its parched condition. It will soon be time for politics by other means. But the good is restrained, as the bad pushes us into a corner, provoking you. Do not be provoked.

                So far the good guys are holding the line. In NY that line has been crossed, and may turn bloody. Wait for it.

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          • Semper Fi y'all says:

            “A law which is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.” Marbury vs Madison.

            Semper Fi

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        • BigB says:

          I agree with every word you just said Piper Michael. Very well put.

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        • common sense says:

          How many piper?
          How many times?
          How many fellow citizens beaten by government thugs?
          How many killed?
          How many imprisoned?
          How many “rights” stripped away?
          How many overt acts of treason?

          You are a fool to think opinions will change.
          The people who are today fighting for “gun control”, reasonable restrictions, socialized this, mandatory that will not awaken after the next step of tyranny, they will cheer it and beg for the next. They will call you terrorist today AND tomorrow. They want this. As much as thos at the top are the enemies of freedom so are those at the bottom who raise those to their position and cheer on the actions they take.

          First blood a thousand times over has been drawn, from the whiskey rebellion to ruby ridge and a thousand thousand times we will never know of.

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          • common sense,
            That was my point.

            History lessons, do not qualify as first blood.
            And you are right, its hard to say what would qualify as first blood in this environment. Too many idiots with media in the tank.
            Even if we were to have a full scale Boston Massacre, would that qualify if it were on youtube? probably not. They would suspend some officers and give them a slap on the wrist.

            Whatever operations gov concocts, it will be sure to be put in the light of righteousness.
            That’s why my whole thing, is to just withdraw from The System, and form our own system.

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            • common sense says:

              So your point is that because tptb and a sizable percentage of americans will always perceive violence against dissent as acceptable and violence from dissent as unacceptable that dissent simply cannot use violence?

              Are you actually in your roundabout way arguing that government does have a moral monopoly on violence?

              So you will withdraw and allow them to choose the time and place to bring down violence against you and yours? Where they can choose to bring excessively superior firepower down upon you for some percieved or created wrong against the system. So that the faithfull can hear about your downfall as some elimination of a vile nest of vipers hidden and growing within their more perfect union.

              What do you plan on accomplishing by surrendering the battlefield? Do you think they will leave you alone because you preach leaving them alone?

              The long train of abuses is here. All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. So forgive me but it sounds as though you are suggesting we do exactly that. Nothing.

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    21. 22Mission says:

      We must Stand together . Not one more inch . Stand . Keep your council . Calm before the firing starts . Stand tall one and all .

      Semper Fi .

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    22. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      The Trigger has been pulled, the Crash has begun. How are things going to play out?

      People are exactly three square meals away from becoming savages, rape, murder, and cannibalism will be commonplace …

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      • Heretic Historian says:

        @Amerikan, that is a very likely scenario within a larger scenario. What’s missing IMHO is a false flag trigger. A cyber attack that takes down or severely limits the internet is very likely as it serves two purposes. First, it leaves MSM as the only narrative to “explain” what is happening. Second, it gives preemptive cause for war, particularly against those that would call in their notes on our debt. In other words, it will be the offending country’s fault our economy crashed (lol). While a global scale war game begins to play out, all of the other scenarios in the link you posted will be going down. We will simply be too preoccupied at home to care about the global conflict and will be thrust into it regardless. This will eventually bring war to our soil. Throw in some predicted cosmic events like C/2012S1 to ramp up the ominous effect, and we might even see the Revelation script played out (but not with the same results we are told).

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    23. RedPine says:

      This is more UN,NWO bullshit!
      The Bozo In Chief doesn’t have the brains for this.
      Neither did Bush League before him.
      Both sock-puppets for the New World Order.
      Two sides of the same coin. Heads or tails.

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    24. BadAmerican says:

      They tell their story…

      ….this gun on my hip tells another.



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    25. Kevin2 says:

      I may get flack for this but in these times you have to be nuts to join the military in a capacity that involves fighting. If you want a future in power operations by all means join the US Navy. If you want to expand the influence of Wall Street join the US Marines.

      It’s sad but true that for practical purpose all wars (and they’re all wars) since WWII had dollar bills wrote all over them.

      What did they say in the 1960s; “What if they gave a war and no body came”?

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      • Excellent point.

        Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant Stan Goff explains what military life really entails.
        “They don’t send you out to be a Hero, they send you out to be a Bully”

        War is a Business and Business is Good, very good.

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      • king krazy says:

        I was in the Marines and I agree but I think you would have to be nuts to join the military period. I went to the VA once and I was treated like shit. This was after I received a letter saying I drank poison water at camp lejeune. Also when I was in they didn’t allow queers nor women in most MOS’s. A question I have is why is it you go overseas and kill someone you are a Hero but fight for the Constitution here you are a terrorist?

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      • Merree says:

        I was talking with my son about the new bill to institute a draft. The plan is to draft 18 to 25 year olds, male and female both, for military or civil service. This has been a longstanding plan of Obama’s. My son’s question was, “Will they be arranging lots of uniforms big enough for the 300 to 500 pounders?” One of our conclusions was that, given the physical shape of many in that age group, there would be a huge surge of requests for disability.

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        • roger says:

          If you don’t care about a federal student loan or other federal aid, then don’t sign up for the draft. If you get a letter in the mail threatening you, move to another place and leave no forwarding address. It aint that hard……….

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          • Not Timothy says:

            Agree, we’re scoping out plan B locations outside the US. Lots of nice places to live. For now it’s “just in case” but I will most likely retire to one. It will be the only way I can retire as I’m pretty sure I’d need to work to the grave in the U.S.

            And agree with Merree … I just took a trip down to the USS Yorktown this weekend. Lots of boys! And I just marveled at how darn fat many were. They’re young still, so maybe the adolescent metabolism will slim them down, but I’m guessing not.

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    26. PiecesofMalarkey says:

      This is outright gun control here . Screw the people writeing this malarkey up . We fought hard when we were in service and done things for them that we wouldn’t normally ever do in civilian life .These scumbags make us fill out more paperwork and keep ripping us off .They are not takeing jack nothing period . They want to make you look like your a nut job or cant care for yourself and take away your rights . I tell you what then , Then pay me 5 million for the loss of one my legs by a mine back in 68 .Bones hurt and i hobble around with pain on daily basis and earn an eager pension to just survive and you throw this crap on us .Who the hell do you think you are ? I may have one leg but i can still whip the persons ass that comes for my stuff !

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    27. Satori says:

      I gotta agree
      especially when you see stuff like this

      but then again
      we were warned a long time ago

      the only way to win the game
      is to NOT PLAY IT

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      • Satori says:

        “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.” – Albert Einstein

        “I’m fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.” – George McGovern

        “They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.” – Ernest Hemmingway

        hat tip to Information Clearing House

        tell the amoral mother f_ckers running the world
        to fight their own wars
        to send their own sons into the sausage grinder

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        That dhs kommie Dyke should be beaten like a adopted red headed step child.

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    28. The Other Realist says:

      They know that they’ve trained a bunch of killers, and realize that the majority of said killers will take the side of the people…

      I hate to break it to them, but unless they ban the vets themselves, they’re not accomplishing much. I think that most people would be friendly about sharing extra tools in such a situation, if you catch my meaning.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Remember the Govt troll on here a couple of weeks ago trying to downplay my post that the mistake that the NWO PTB has made was to use the American male in their wars of Phony Crony capitalism, and that there were millions of American vets who would not allow the US Constitution be shredded?

        Guess he didn’t get the memo! ;-)

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        We could partner up with some of those firearms manufacturers in that other list and do a buy a vet a gun month.

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    29. Rogue Warrior says:

      FedGov: Try as you might but, you will lose this fight for The 2nd Amendment is my right. Pass what laws you can for I will still stand because I am an American. A patriot so true, I bleed Red, White and Blue. This weapon in my hand, come take it…if you can!

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      • durango kidd says:

        Washington’s Vision is the future of America. In that future, Americans are armed and victorious. All WE must do is recognize the Source of OUR liberties and honor Him again. Pass the word. Post it everywhere. Every American needs to read:

        Washington’s Vision

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    30. Rogue Warrior says:

      I would rather die fighting as a free man, than to have someone tell me how to live! Molon Labe’ Bitch!!

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    31. AmeriKan Nightmare says:


      To the nwo njo zog ameriKan red commies PATRIOTIC AMERICAN VETERAN PROBLEM , which threatens the illuminati nwo njo zog globalists one world government plans .

      *Obama the Illuminati ZOG CIA BilderBoyBugger Puppet DickTator is going to kill exterminate 25 MILLION AMERICANS as an example to the others .

      DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom

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    32. Emily says:

      I honor all veterans. They should be honored and
      not targeted. I knew a guy that came back from
      Afganistan. He did some have mental and emotional
      stresses, and a hard time for a while adjusting
      back to civilian life.
      But, he would not tell the VA people.
      He was afraid if he had to go to a ‘head doctor,’
      he would lose his standing. *he defused explosives
      out in the field at Afganistan*

      Bob Beckle on the Five tonight said that
      the U.S. debt would have to reach 20 Trillion
      before anything ‘bad/serious’ would happen.
      In the 11th hour a deal will be made and all
      will be saved.
      Bob Beckle on the Five tonight also told the
      audience, “not to sell your campers.”
      The Obama threats of the Sequester starting
      on March 1st will not take place. Again, at
      the 11th hour, a Deal will be made and the
      crisis averted.
      O.k. Bob, what do you know that I don’t know.
      Are you an insider in the beltway?
      *sarcasm sign flashing*

      Jog-hope you get better, r and r this weekend.

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      • JayJay says:

        {{{Bob Beckle on the Five tonight said that
        the U.S. debt would have to reach 20 Trillion
        before anything ‘bad/serious’ would happen.
        In the 11th hour a deal will be made and all
        will be saved}}}

        Any hint how this will be accomplished??
        Or more propaganda to keep the peons in the dark?

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    33. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      Peter Schiff: It’s Going To Hit The Fan During Obama’s Second Term – 2/18/2013

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    34. What's going on... says:

      Well if they take your guns… buy a bow.

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    35. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      Why The Banking Elite Want Riots in America

      Every indication clearly suggests that authorities in the United States are preparing for widespread civil unrest. This trend has not emerged by accident – it is part of a tried and tested method used by the banking elite to seize control of nations, strip them of their assets, and absorb them into the new world order.

      There is a crucial economic imperative as to why the elite is seeking to engineer and exploit social unrest.

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    36. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      Zionist Kosher Tax and the symbols on YOUR food supporting Israel

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    37. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      jews are only 2% of AmeriKa’s population

      yet control 90% of AmeriKa financially and politically

      anyone else have a problem with this ???


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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        AKN, Wonder if it could have anything to do, with being GOD’S chosen people. Ever think about the size of the Jewish population, and it being so small, and yet, everyone in the world hates them, but still can’t destroy them. They’re are two forces in the world, and the ruler of this world hates the Jew. And as we know his days are numbered, so be very careful which side you choose. Our battle here is short, but eternity is a looooong time. They may not know Christ. But they’re still the apple of GOD’S eye. Trekker Out. Fear No Man, But Fear GOD!

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          • NO ~

            It’s fine for you to decide what you believe in, but it is equally fine for others to make that decision for themselves also.

            I’m not a big fan of organized religion, but faith and spirituality DO have a place in the world. Religion is where it all went wrong – religion is the creation of human beings, and reflects their imperfections.

            Faith and spirituality give many a template for behavior that might not otherwise exist. Some people simply are not able to moderate their morals and ethics without it. Many people take great comfort in faith.

            For every bad example of religion run amok, it can be countered with a story of simple grace. And because of this, we have to each be guided by our own experiences.

            Freedom OF religion and FROM religion are equally important and should be equally respected.


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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              Well Said Daisy! You are Rare in todays society for you have prior stated that after doing research in various issues, that you had to admit what you learnd caused you to Re think previous ideas or beliefs etc…More like you would be swell Daisy! Is that whats called Open Minded?!

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              • JayJay says:

                So many in this day speak badly of organized religion; let it not be me to support it as I’m at an age to understand the disappointments realized by trusting in it and expecting too much.
                However, without ‘organized religion’, where would I have received my faith in a creator,or have any sense of fair play relating to human existence?
                Without organized religion introduced in my early life, would I just be another greedy, selfish, arrogant, egotistical, conceited, self-centered human?

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            • don't tread says:

              True Christianity is “not” a religion and for damn sure is not catholic.

              Christianity is a way of life! That is where the freedom comes from. Not the practice of any type “organized religion”. Religion is “not” the creation of human beings and reflections of their imperfections. Organized Religion is a process by one or more individuals to gather as many as possible into a specific way of thinking about how to worship. More importantly it closes out thinking of any and other ways of worship. Even more important it is a way to “pull in wealth” thru numbers of participants.

              Hence, why the Roman Catholic Church has it’s own bank and “head of the bank”. Take the money/mammon out of any organized religion and the leaders will disappear.

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          • Ak,
            You are full of anger, you are almost one with the dark side.

            One day, when you arrive in a supremely dark place, so dark and vast that it goes on forever, and you are lost in the emptiness of nothingness and it encloses in around you and your anger and regrets become thick as a soupy mass feeding back into your mind, the burning icy blackness that envelopes you in its embrace and turns you inside out until your consciousness is rended and your spirit is broken, and you are left with nothingness, before the oblivion comes for you, look upwards to the Light and beg for redemption.

            God is real, religion is unreal. Do not base your opinions on the acts of hypocrites, or the doctrines of devils.
            If you want, my name will show the proof of God’s Science, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You never know, perhaps some good can be found in you.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Amerikan, You are mentioned, many times in the Book of Proverbs. But I think Prov. Chap.14 Vs.16 fits you best. Trekker Out.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          MT Trekker: READ Jeramiah Chapters 30-& 31 then say that again. John ch 8 vs 44 also.

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        • Mountain Trekker ~

          The Zionist Jews that are destroying the world are NOT God’s chosen people. Please read some of the links provided by others here. Just read with an open mind and consider that you may have been misled and your beliefs sullied by propaganda. This is not coming from a sense of hatred or bigotry. There are many folks here far better equipped than I to explain this, but begin your search by looking into “Zionists” and go from there. I think you may be surprised at what you learn.


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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Mountain Trekker: Wasn’t part of Gods Promice to Abraham, that “Isreal” (ALL 12 tribes) would number as the sands and stars IE:= so many people he abraham be unable to count right.

          So if you believe jews number such a Small population AND have been so limited in numbers for so long in History(that is true if speaking of jews)…HOW Can They be who You said they are?

          The word “jew” is never even mentioned in the old testement Untill 2nd Book of KINGS, Chapter 16 vs 12 I believe it is. Why Is that Trekker?

          Every bible I read and seen says ISREAL(12 tribed- and Later after solomons 1st temple got destroyed they Split into TWO seperate Nations of Southern kingdom of Judah, and NORTHERN 10 Tribed Isreal Only the North 10 tribes Kept the Name “Isreal”?

          Every bible when it speaks of Gods Blessings to…It says ISREAL never does it say the word “jews” nor “jewsih”…And since solomons first temple(aprox 1000 or More yrs Before Christ born) was destroyed, jews=South kingdom of judah or, jews as later called. Southern Kingdom of Judah aka jews, was Never again called “Isreal” since they split into Two nations after 1st temple was destroyed.

          If You combine all that with Jeramiah Chapters 30 & 31 You will find God tells prophet jeramiah “Go Tell the people of the Southern Kingdom of Jews(judah and benjamin and 1/2 levites aprox)…That THEY are NO LONGER MY People! and I(God) am NO Longer Their GOD! and that Their Covenant with Me(god) is Ended! for I(god) will make a NEW covenant with a NEW different people(gentiles/christains) and this is entirely Due to Them(jews) and Their false god worships of Bael and Molech(fire god statue the jews offered their kids to be burned to death to Honor Molech the False god).

          And do you really think God desires OR Approves of what them evil banksters and eliets and their folks do today?

          ALL Evil is from Satan not God. God at times allows it. But thats it. Many pastors today like Pat Robertson and John Hagee and many more teach that christains must fund and support all we see that’s creating this NWO aka Antichrist globalist gov in order to “Speed” the Return of Jesus!…REALLY?! My bibles all say christains are Always to FIGHT evil and Wrong doings…Never are we to Fund-Vote for-Support-Kill for-ANY type evil org or govnt or etc etc….What do You not yet Get Trekker?

          I mean that in a nice way too as I am trying to get you to re-consider whats apperantly wrong headed ideas as per the Bible etc.

          Oh and, speaking/writing of what the Bible or God says is NOT antisemitic. HE inspired the writers of it and I meerly repeated it for educational purpouses here. Unless you also call God or bible writer-prophets Of God antisemites?…Than neither am I.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Angelo as for you, and Dasiy and Piper, I can have a discussion or even a disagreement. But when it comes to AmericKan Nightmare, I’m sorry Sir, but you are a reprobate and it would be a waste of time and space to even try to address you. Now when it comes to the Holy Bible, just as the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they are absolutes. And when anyone speaks of being open minded on these subjects, that reminds me of what a Progressive whould say. Now I suppose if you went to a hospital to have brain surgery and the surgeon was late you would say well just let the janitor do it, because, I’m open minded. Of course you wouldn’t! So when it comes to God’s word it means what it say’s. Good Bible preaching Pastors are called by God, but in this day and age in America, we have access to God’s inspired word. So read it and study the scriptures daily for yourself. Don’t be lead astray by other books or even false preachers, when they say what you want to hear, rather than what God’s word say’s. As for Jeremiah, Chap. 30 and 31 I don’t find what your basing your thoughts on. After pray, seek the guidance of the Holy Spirt, and read these chapters again. In the KJV in Chap.31 pay particular attention to verse 37. We could go on, but time and space would forbid it. But when attacking the Jewish people, just Remember that our LORD and SAVIOR was a Jew, as well as almost every person that was inspired by GOD to write the Books of the Holy Bible. Trekker Out. Peace to all the believers!

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        • MT,
          The Chosen are the 12 tribes… 10 of them are ‘lost’.

          Those 10 tribes went north out of Babylon into the Caucus mountains. Wanting nothing to do with Jews or Israel ever again.

          The Bible is written for the Chosen, not, the tribe of Judah.

          Who are the Chosen then MT?

          We are. If you’ll permit a clue… the original meaning of words are great clues.
          One of the tribes was named The Saxons. How do I know this?
          The original meaning and spelling of the Saxons was;
          Saacs Sons.

          In those days, the leading vowels were often dropped. So, you had Isaac’s Sons, or the Sons of Isaac.

          Well well.
          White people, you’re the Lost ten tribes. The 10 toes, the 10 Virgins, the 10 Horns… which, are Shofars of leaders. Which sit on the head of the Beast.

          The bankers are not simply Jews, but from the ten. We are the fulfillment of Father Abraham… a great nation and a ‘company of nations’. White people run the planet. Numbering like sand on the beach.

          There is much evidence for this thesis, but, we don’t want to hear it because of our inbred hatred of the Jews. Instead, we should be proud of it, having broken off from our arrogant cousins.

          The Bible makes a whole lot more sense, once this simple clue is deciphered.

          Angelo may disagree with my interpretations of prophecy, but I stand by this thesis.

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          • PS: Forgot to add, Caucus mountains = where the Caucasians came from… Caucasian = white.
            Scholars like to confuse the issue, but they are the ones confused or have a hateful agenda.

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          • Very clear interpretation, Michael. Thank you! :)

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            • You’re welcome Ms. Daisy.

              Another question.
              If the Mother of Harlots that rides the Beast, is the Mother, then who are the daughters?

              (Never heard that question asked before. I like asking those kinds of questions.)

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            Piper: I agree on some or most of that. However a couple things are: There were zero Vowels in hebrew language so Thats why sac sons as you said orig had no vowels.

            Also the Horns when its spoken of as in rabbis blow trumpets?…Yes its a shofer horn made from a Ram animals horn. BUT…HORNS also can and Does equal MILITARY forces. Depends on context of what issue is etc.

            ALSO: Actually the Northern Kingdom of Isreal which Kept the name “Isreal” as Jacob said when he blessed ephraim and manessah aka Josephs twin sons, was Attacked and Taken Captive(those not killed) by the ASYRIANS. Not Babalonians.

            the “10″ tribes isreal of North was done in by assyrians aprox 145 Yrs Before the Southern Kingdom of Judah aka “jews” were also attacked and killed or scattered by the Babalonians. Assyrians and babalonians is Two different groups.

            I disagree that you seem to include as the 10 isreal tribes everything or wherever you find “Ten” mentioned in the bible Piper. IE: 10 virgins-10 shofers-toes etc.

            Now yes some of the bible has been slightly changed due to 2000 yrs time and many translations to other languages from orig hebrew(OT) and Greek(NT)…Some was in what Christ also spoke, Aramiac language.

            HOWEVER Piper: It does seem to me that you only believe or use various parts that You agree with or like. Then much of it you choose to use, you Then custom-fit to Your versions….Personally I think that is entirely Wrong and vastly heritical. Either Gods word is ALL Inspired by the Holy Spirit of GOD?..(Yes it Is!) or as you seem to do, it is Only certain parts which Fit whatever Your main messg seems to be.

            It is like the us const and laws Piper. People cannot simply decide on their Own which parts to like or accept or use. And if You really believe God=Supreme Being(spirit per Christ and all the apostles) and Creator God?

            Then how can You or anyone else think it is OK to change it all or disect it into parts as you seem to do?

            If God=Suprere God(yes) then what men or women are Greater enough to simply change the bible verses meanings to fit whatever else?…If it is Mixed with new-ager or enviro whacks(they exist also!) or other religions etc then it is NO longer the WORD Inspired BY God. Therefore when Thats done it=Junk as far as I think.

            I do not mean that in any offensive ways Piper. What if all 6-billion of worlds people decide to interpret it or Redo it as you usually do?…All 6 billion is correct because it goes by zero absolutes?…Like todays Libs who preach Relativity when it is about Truth or Facts…

            I mean as in libs say whatever an individual person believes is True Truth?…Thats the real deal.

            They say: “There are NO absolutes”…Really?…Wasn’t That statement actually an Absolute? Yes it sure was eh.

            Yet they change truths to “Fit” their agendas or beliefs and some do so as often as the wind changes directions. They too believe thats a Good way to figure it out. It is NOT. It causes total Chaos and a few Million different versions of it.

            I do not mean Piper is a lib as I know you aint!..But you do seem to apply their method to bible verses and its simply Wrong Piper. Even for bible verses nobody as yet knows for certain the meanings of…Not now knowing for certain does Not give anybody a Green light to manufacture their own meanings. Only One can be correct. And thats Always Gods truth even if we as yet aint learned it due to it has not yet been Revealed to us.

            I am sorry this is so long and complicated. I hope it makes sense to you Piper. I aint no Professor man. But I Do try to learn and know truth of it all.

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            • don't tread says:

              Your babble-ing again. babel means “confusion”. You contradict youself time and time again.

              You are stuck. You have a mental block. When you say and believe that all races of people came from a white/caucasian woman and the seed/sperm of a white/caucasian man= son of Noah, you loose all credibility of knowing anything about scripture.

              The Bible clearly says, “Noah took two of every flesh aboard the ark”. The eight souls were the only “Adamic” people aboard the ark. They were the only “caucasians/whites” that had not inner-bred with the fallen angels. Some of those other “flesh” peoples/races aboard the ark, had inner-bred and also had the bloodline of the Kenites- seed line from Cain. Not to be confused with Cannanites- an entirely seperate bloodline of people. More specifically descendants from the incestous affair of Noah’s son and his wife, while on the ark.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                Thats idiotic at best . The bible make it plain whats meant by TWO of each flesh means ANIMALS…What part of a deer is Not flesh. The bible says ONLY the 8 persons of Noahs family were on tha ark…You are who is confused or babeling. You invent a new meaning meant to describe animals on the ark TWO of each species Male & female.

                God planned to utterly Destroy all those people who were corrupted by Fallen Angels and mixed dna etc.

                So then God “Saves” a bunch while He destroyed the rest?…WHERE in the Bible is that written or even implied. Man you got some goofy ways of interpreting the bible to say the Least.

                And Please stop saying I said this or that when I did not. Not only are you unable to interpret a bible but you seem to see words in my posts that are Not there. Perhaps You need reading eye glasses.

                Show us where the bible states that two of each flesh meant the very people God planned to destroy for corrupted dna. Or that when it states Two of each animals flesh it really means people aka Human flesh other than the orig 8 from noahs clan or family.

                Just because you cannot figure out How the same type dna corruption can again happen after the flood era, does not mean you can simply invent what You think sounds logical even when not written as so. There are some things in the bible that as yet we still are not able to say for certain what it means or How it can be. That don’t mean it is wrong, or that You can invent new meanings such as Two of each Flesh Now refers to Corrupted humans instead of animals as it clearly says animals.

                It is You that is so Confused. I now see the reason.

                Do You watch Sheperds Chapel tv preacher by any chance? Sure sounds like the answer to that is Yes. He spews mostly the same as you do. But I think he began it first and You learned it from him perhaps…I do hope you wake up if hes where you get these ideas from.

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                • don't tread says:

                  You set youself up for chastisement when you start calling God’s servants, “liars”.

                  Just because you believe in a “breeding of humans like dogs” ideology, to explain how different races of peoples came out of the flood, don’t ignore the fact that “two of every flesh” could have included all flesh, not just animals.

                  You may not understand it now because of your limitations with comprehension; but one day you will.

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            • Angelo,
              What is the difference between religion and spirituality?
              I will not argue scripture. Did you know, I used to believe exactly as you? Then I saw the Light, literally. It was the ending of a journey began when I angrily walked out of a lukewarm hypocrite church at 14, the only thing I retained was a love of Jesus and the Golden rule. Everything else they had taught was thrown in the trash, it just felt ‘wrong’. Especially when I saw, that their faith was merely an excuse for screwing people over, and then coming to church and praying for ‘forgiveness’. Their idea of religion was simply a justification for living however they wanted, keeping God at arms length, and then feeling justified because they acknowledged Him by publicly paying dues. I walked out of there with the knowledge that I was leaving the church of money.

              A few months later, I was paralyzed in a tractor accident. Months later, after I had prayed that I would ‘follow your path, if you just let me walk again’, bada bing, feeling returned. I was able to teach myself to walk again. To call that a miracle, was not the miracle. The miracle was that I survived the accident. There was no way I should have lived. The only way I could have lived, was for the guardian angel to swoop in and keep that tractor wheel from completely crushing me on that asphalt highway.

              And that was only the first of several angelic interventions, that I am positive, could only have been angelic, simply because the laws of physics were violated. And it became the laws of physics, that attracted me to God’s purpose for me. I am now sure that my path was determined before I was born, although it was up to me to follow it. Fortunately, HE was determined that I should follow it, and keep my promise. Every time I walked off the path, he slapped me back on to it and reminded me. The funny thing was, I never knew what that path led to, or what I was following. I only ‘knew’ when it was time to turn onto the correct fork in the road. Each time, I would be led down a dark path, into a rabbit hole or a yard sale where an old book was laying in the dirt. An old book that lay there screaming at me, that my very spirit recognized, and when I reached down and picked it up, I felt the tingles and cold chills run down my spine as I asked the lady ‘How much?’.

              Thus began the last phase of my education, as I read ‘Fallen Angels and the Origins of evil’ and was introduced to the ‘forbidden’ works of Enoch. Now I know I am but one of many who are here to point the way out of the darkness of money, government and the religions that support them. A system of Authorities, interlocked, intertwined, and self reinforcing. A system designed by Elites, for the Elite. A system that crushes the spirits of men, by the power of mystery and lies, using the shadows and echos of reality to turn mens hearts against their minds, and leaves a wasteland of ruined lives, for profit.

              Now I know, the reason why The Churches and civilization itself are dying, and have become ‘old dry bones’, is because they lost their way over five thousand years ago. And One came to point the Way, and that too, was corrupted by MEN. The sad part is, no, we don’t expect many to hear the Revealing of the Oldest Song, we expect most to die. Why? Because of Fear. When I read your post I was struck by the fear of clinging to the status quo, you even said I was talking ‘heretical’ talk. Thank you for that. Do you know, that this fear and clinging to old doctrines, was the reason the most famous HERETIC in history, was nailed to a cross? Do you know what the Church fears more than anything else? The revenge of the Heretics.

              Now, let us move forward, from the past.
              Yes, you are correct about the Assyrians, and that there were several escapes from the region of Babylon. This is history, and yes, they scattered. But there were still remnants of the tribes within Babylon, when Babylon fell. Remnants that remembered who they were, and brought that knowledge forward, that is key for our time. Bringing knowledge and culture forward from the collapse of civilization. Like the monks did during and after the fall of Rome, into the Dark ages. Without them, almost nothing would have survived. Do you think that Churches will survive in their present form after the collapse, civil war, invasion, Earth change? I think not. The Age of Churches is almost complete, an age, is two thousand years. If Christs sacrifice was in 0033, then, 2033 is the true end of the age, not Rome’s definition.

              This is part Bible, history and archaeology. I believe there was even a period of the Phoenicians, in the Bronze age, the Scythians and evidence of Israelite copper mining in North America. The Kensington runestone, and all kinds of other evidence that somebody was here before Columbus. Way before Columbus. Point being, that us white folks got around. We mixed races, but there was always a core of thought of in some tribes/clans of maintaining the ‘purity of the blood’. The Chosen it turns out, does have to do with the blood, and the spiritual gifts in the dna, which we know today, is a biological program that is the supreme evidence of an intelligent designer. It turns out, the basis of this program, is written into the basic design of the Universe, once you have the Key. This key, was denied us, or at least the path to the key, when The Church, burned them all. Fortunately, the hand of God preserved them for this time, what is it? The Oldest Song, that is a New Song, a Revealing. A thing the Church is scared to death of, because they know, deep down in their bones, they commited the greatest crime in history. So anything that does not toe their line, is a HERETIC, sorcerer, a magician, a new age devil. They are right about one thing, I am, the revenge of the Heretics.

              As far as my new interpretations of scripture, simply because they do not match old tired scholars, I am wrong? What about the Pharisees who were so blinded by their own doctrines that they could not see The Messiah in their midst? Are we in a similar state now?

              We cling to the doctrine of MYSTERY, a philosophy that is ancient, that comes from the Babylonian mystery school, a part of the remnant of the Tribes that left Babylon. They incorporated this into the Bible of Rome, a Canon that was fought over for many years, and us HERETICS were MURDERED by the Church. The private teachings of the Christ, were burned along with the writings of Enoch and the other books. The whole Library of Alexandria was put to the torch because it was a ‘pagan heresy’. They destroyed thousands of years of knowledge. This purging of knowledge did not stop but went on for hundreds of years, while they also purged the knowledge of the Christ, and made up the doctrine of physical resurrection of the body out of whole cloth.

              Once the ancient books of Gnosis and Enoch were uncovered in the 20th century, the church went crazy again, calling them HERETICAL and saying they would ‘destroy faith’. It is not faith these books destroy, it is blind allegiance to the doctrine of MYSTERY. A doctrine that states that mankind is too low, mortal, and unable to understand The MYSTERIES of God. A doctrine that says that we must be submissive to ‘Godly authority’. This flies in the face of the old testament, when God told us he did not want us to have a king, but we demanded a king to ‘rule over us’. There is no reconciliation of these conflicting doctrines, except one way. The maintenance of power and control over you. A doctrine invented in Babylon, the money changers in the temple invented the fixed contract of debt payment, backed up by the Kings law, and the peasantry held in submission to ‘Godly Authority’, it was the perfect system. So good, the Elites carried it forward till this day. This is the Head of Gold, over the ten toes of mind and heart, iron and clay, on the two legs of ideology, enforced by the power of mystery doctrines of confusion and division.

              To love the Lord, is not to tell me, that I must also be ignorant or stupid as the doctrine of mystery and submission implies. To say there is no truth in the Bible is wrong, but to say that there are no conflicts is equally ignorant. To have blind faith in a book, is to promote men over God, and give them ‘authority’ where none is warranted, and where God Himself said not to.

              To say, that my vision, after 40 years of following the path I was pushed to follow, and picking up dots out of the trash of men, is invalid, simply because it does not align with the doctrines of preachers, is the ultimate in arrogant and blind supplication to ignorance and imposed supplication to authority figures. I reject the authority of men, which means I reject the authority of the Churches. All of the Orthodox churches, the catholic and the protestant churches, why? They can no longer have a monopoly on Christ Jesus, the First Son of God, because they fouled up everything.

              Read Revelations again… with a new eye towards the symbols of spirit and not the words of men. Understand that the works of John, the Gospel and the Revelation, almost did not make it into the Canon because they were considered too ‘Gnostic’ in origin. This was because certain Bishops saw The Truth, that the Church would turn evil based on untruth. This is the meaning of the phrase in Jude where “evil crept in unawares”. I don’t think the evil was intentional in the beginning, it was a mystery power play. The crime came after, in the cover up, as always. They had to destroy the evidence that was in direct conflict with their new narrative in a New Canon.

              Ask yourself who the Mother of Harlots is, she who is named MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. Ask yourself, if she is the mother, then who are the daughters? If the mother created the daughters from the doctrine of MYSTERY, then what is the Blasphemy? Who, is the HERETIC? What did Christ teach privately? Why is the teaching of Paul, radically different from Christ? Is this a source of division in The Book and The Body? Do we even have all the original teachings of Paul, were they changed to suit Rome and the Babylonian Mystery School?

              There is some evidence of this in the Gnosis, in the Apocalypse of Paul, who may have taught REINCARNATION, exactly like the Christ taught it. That you must be ‘born again of the spirit’, this is the original meaning of the text, suitably modified in meaning by The Churches, to suit their narratives of political control and profit. They profit by fear, the fear of one life to live, when in truth, you are recycled energy. Energy can not be destroyed, only consumed. The Energy paradigm of Einstein, is the only one that works, if, you believe in God and a spirit in man.

              Was society destroyed by these competing doctrines? Was a ‘free lunch’ doctrine of salvation in conflict with the doctrine of no free lunches? (Faith alone vs Faith in works.) Did/does, society get a free lunch ticket to sin thinking it doesn’t matter, they are ‘forgiven’? Does the little Buddhist boy that died innocent, having lived a perfect life, born in ignorance of His Name, really, REALLY, get picked up bodily by The Christ and thrown headlong into a lake of fire, simply because he followed Buddha? REALLY? Is this doctrinal division, indicative of something deeper and more fundamental? Is this exposed in the conflicts in the Word? Is there Universal Salvation, or is it exclusive to ‘christians’? Then is God a Catholic, or a Protestant? Don’t protestants know, they are merely ‘protesting’ Catholics? Because they use the same book, written by ROME? The conundrums and conflicts get deeper, the deeper you get.

              Does the God of war of the old testament, have anything to do with a God of Love, of the new? What part did the empire builders of the Holy Roman empire have to do with it? Who’s translation of ancient texts do we trust, when the church of Rome translated ‘elohim’ into the word ‘God’? Thus a family of God, became a singular God. Who then are the ‘we’ that made man in ‘our’ image in Genesis? What then is the true ‘abomination that makes desolate’, set up in the True Temple of God? When even preachers say that the ‘true’ temple of God, is in OUR MINDS, that is always in conflict with our HEARTS.

              It is only when we abandon new meanings of old words, and new interpretations of old truths, that we begin to see past the lies of men and two thousand years of control and division and bloodshed and war, over God. Can it be that the foundations are faulty, reeking in blood and blasphemy, mystery and superstitions, of the 4th century? Can we know them by their fruits?

              If we have even forgotten who we are, then how can we find our way out of the Cave of Illusion? It is a cave built up, brick by brick, from the hand of ‘authority’, for it is authority we bow down to. It always has been that way, since the days of Israel. It is this way because we love money, power and control, and it is the root of all evil.

              We are divided into men of iron constitution, and hearts of sticky clay, ten toes divided. We are those who trim our wicks, fill our lamps and hide in a back room, because we see something wicked this way comes. Yet half of us are still marrying and giving in marriage. We fall on two legs, left and right, and have many doctrines of division, confused as the sea and the waves roaring, as the Head of Gold makes the Rule of Gold, that; He who has the gold, makes the rules.

              Yet we love it, because we have bought the Dream of material wealth, and it is our All, our everything, our root of evil, the love of money. It is our love above God, and the constitution, our Idol god, Mammon. Yet, the only way to throw off the statue of the ages, is to deny the rule of gold, with the Golden rule. To go ‘into the wilderness’, and leave The System, to become a Remnant of Gods Chosen, into an age of brotherhood, knowing that the Temple of God lives in our minds, in the land of the new Zion of Jerusalem, free of the Sons of Cain, the Ten horns of the Shofars of the Leaders of money. But it cannot be, until we figure out that the Abomination that makes us desolate and divided, lies in the pages of the Roman Canon.

              Our problem now, is we are waking up. The higher meaning of this is the Spiritual Evolution that has been taking place over the last hundred years, and is now growing into a critical mass. This is the Knowledge evolution that has turned men away from the MYSTERY of the past. Superstition and faith, are dimmed in the old bones of tired teachings, as we experience a Great Falling away of the Churches.

              This is their own fault because of clinging to the MYSTERY doctrines, and the perceived blasphemy of exclusivity. They preach exclusive salvation instead of Universal Salvation. They teach free lunch doctrines, that allow them to rape and pillage the Earth in doing ‘God’s work, justified by their idea of a Pledge of allegiance to Jesus and all is forgiven. A gospel ABOUT Christ, instead of the gospel OF Christ.

              He, did not teach that, and the rampant hypocrisy, pedophilia, and wealth of the Churches, speaks again, to their blasphemy of teaching people the divided doctrines that allow ‘Christians’ to do what they want, and think they’ll get away with it in the end, when they don’t even read their own book, and can’t see that they are lukewarm, and will be ‘spit out’ back into the prison of the spirit, the soul in body. Our Universe is about energy, all things are energy, frozen energy connected as One, that is recycled, in many ways. Even our scientists are locked into mystery and confusion.

              The physicists cannot leave the particle paradigm, because when they do, they arrive at the altar of God… can’t have that. This is why people are lost. They only have a choice between the MYSTERY of God and a GODless science. This is also why science tries to invent God in their image, through the God particle. It is a particle that is not, and can never be. They cheated by statistical manipulation to arrive at only a 99% correlation of data, but they did absolutely prove something else, 100% proof of God in the God tangent feedback force of the Holy Spirit. They saw a ghost, a blip, an indication, a hint, exactly what I predicted, evidence of the 3rd primal force, the Voice of God. The Causal spin force of the atom in a magnetic aether, a necessary precursor of Einstein’s general relativity. This ties special and general relativity together through what the Gnostics called; The Invisible left handed force. When you see that all things spin to the left, you are in awe of the ancients.

              It is only when you see the Holy Grail, the Unified Field, that the energies become real and light is shed on the shadows of illusion, manifested as body, soul and spirit connected together into the Whole, or (W)Holy. That the dual energies comes from outside 3 dimensional space-time, from above and below, the Holy Light of the Holy Spirit, and the dark consumer of the Imp, gives the flow of electric and magnetic forces, joined together in the Voice of Creation that gives Chaos in the silver cord of life, which is given form by the emanations from the delegated powers of the Hierarchy of Light Aeons(angels, principalities, thrones), and given hardness by magnetic repulsion, the manifestation by the Lower Archons(jealousy, envy, anger, coveting). This dual hierarchy of powers, was known as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the creation architecture. But, it was called evil, by a church that changed mystery narratives for peasants.

              The mechanisms of good and evil, was shown in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, through the infinite informational power of Pi, the Spiritual Geometry of an actively intelligent light power, that forms the Medicine wheel of DNA within the dark power of the magnetic aether of Einstein and Enoch. This is what was destroyed by the Churches, and called it HERETICAL, and ‘forbidden’, as they purged the SCIENTISTS and philosophers of long ago, and delivered us into a Dark age, and threw mankind back over a thousand years. If it were not for the hand of God that preserved the works of Enoch and the Gnosis of the Christ, we would still be trapped in the MYSTERY power of Babylon, the true and deeper meaning of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue. That the money changers, the King, and the priests, are One with the Head of Gold. So, how has all that wanting a ‘king to rule over us’, worked out?

              It took 40 years to figure it out, but in the end, it is no mystery at all. We were all created for one purpose, His Joy in the Elohim, the Family of God. Thus, the meaning of life is; Joy… not DEBT. For debt, is the destroyer of joy. Thus the Rock must be a new Revelation of Unity, that tears down the statue of civilizations, and builds a mighty mountain to the heavens, by pounding our swords into plowshares and turning old things into new, and neither learn war anymore, that we, a Remnant, may preserve the races, in the restoration of the hoop of humanity(cherokee prophecy, all colors accepting the differing spiritual gifts in the DNA), in the chaos of the Universe that will ultimately destroy the Earth in fire, and find that New Heavens and New Earth, when the time of Darkness passes.

              Washington’s Vision, actually reinforces this thesis. As the ‘light of a thousand suns’ shines on Earth, and we defeat the evil ones, the sons of Cain. This aligns with the prophecy of Enoch, that was burned and called a ‘forbidden’ work of ‘sorcerers’(scientists). A man who was so perfect, he was called into heaven to write books from the mouth of God, and the Church burned them?… he said The Light from heaven would shine down on the Earth, and the evil would be defeated.

              You see, I do not ‘pick and choose’, in order to ‘fit’ something together into an irrational doctrine. I ‘dowse’ dots of light, truth within the untruth, I connect dots of truth to dots of truth, as light attracts light, leaving untruth behind. This is the Way of Knowledge taught ‘privately’ by the Lord. But, it was destroyed you see. It was destroyed by a Church that was building an empire, for an emperor. It was destroyed by a church that mounted up on a white horse, with a crown and a bow, and went forth conquering, killing the Saints they called; HERETIC. It was destroyed by a church that turned evil into good, and good into evil. A church that hid the mechanisms of evil, so that it could hide behind them. It did what the Lord (in the Gnostic texts) said not to do, build churches of hierarchies, rules and doctrines.

              It is not that the Gnostic texts destroy faith, no, it magnifies faith by the power of KNOWLEDGE that conquers MYSTERY. It destroys faith in The Churches and doctrines of men and devils, that keep you apathetic towards evil, and in submission to UNGODLY authorities masquerading as Godly. It is truth, that will set you free, and only the truth speaking directly to the soul, will conquer the fear of the heart sewn by the Mother of Harlots, in a book of mysteries, that needs fixing. You see, I love the Word so much, that I must search its mysteries, to find the works of men, and discard them. To start over, through a new revelation of Light, that overcomes the darkness sewn 1600 years ago.

              It was a church that created a Sword of Division, in direct fulfillment of the Lords prophecy, that He came not to bring peace, but a sword. A sword divides our people, and the fruits of the churches, is how we know them. Even this discussion now, is evidence of the Sword of Division, as it works its magic of MYSTERY on our minds. As we are held in thrall to the doctrines of devils and the submission to an authority God did not want us to have. We collectively love the divisions and the submission to authority, and it is all about us, making our own way up the ladder of wealth, power and control. But, it is all an illusion of mammon, the rights from God, were limited by the Head of Gold, and the cycles of darkness. Spiritual truth is about body and spirit, and soul as one, and physical life with joy, cannot be as long as the water of life, money, is restricted and controlled by money changers.

              The barriers to joy, the business cycle, all things that they invented in BABYLON, to control and manipulate, to take your wealth, and deliver you into debt and take your joy. They do this through the false power of money, that they control. Money that is held in ‘short supply’ to fool you as to its ‘value’. Ole Tom Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, John Adams, the list goes on, of founders, presidents and others who warned us about this, but our people are destroyed through a lack of knowledge!(Hosea) Even our Lord fought His final battle against WHOM? The money changers IN the Temple, backed up by Caesar! This is a lesson most preachers leave in the dirt if they ever make the connections at all.

              To those who scream NEW AGE, NEW AGE! BEWARE THE DEVIL! BEWARE THE SORCERER! I smile, can you not see the 4th century in your mind? The fear of the Church saying that, its MYSTERY is the ‘good’ mystery, and all other mysteries are ‘evil’? This is the crux of the matter. The Church that killed the Saints by calling them HERETICS. After, the Roman Church wiped out all KNOWLEDGE, forbid science and philosophy, and burned anything that was even slightly off center. This is what is preserved until this day, it is the Babylonian Mystery school, the basis of the fear that controls you. Can you reconcile a God of Ultimate Love, with a church that sews Fear? Then read Revelations again… 21:8, should make you see, that a sin is sewed in the very nature of such preachings. But that goes to the very nature of their faith, divided doctrines, and verses, that are in conflict, and all things are a “MYSTERY of GOD my son…”

              Yes, the New Age movement, was a rebellion against religion, and there is a good reason for it. It is not about love, it is about fear and imposed ignorance through the power of mystery. The New Agers themselves are lost in their own mysteries, many of occultic origin, and are themselves, lost in darkness. But, that does not mean they are all ‘damned to hell for eternity’. No. It means they are human beings, lost in the Illusion of reality, trying to find a new way to God through Love, not the fear of religions. And this makes them something to be feared? The conundrum is mind blowing, but obvious. Preachers want you in their church, paying tithes, not dancing in circles around a tree.

              Ultimately, worshiping the creation, is worshiping the Creator, and they, have a better relationship with reality, than many Christians, who go about their materialistic endeavors and trivial entertainments, destroying the Earth, building up great piles of wealth, under the Illusion of Redemption, not knowing, that the redemption is through their actions, not faith. Even the angels who sinned, had faith, and faith without works is dead. This is what the Christ taught, love thy neighbor as thyself, not screw thy neighbor and go to church on Sunday and call it good. Yet, they, would call me, a Heretic, and evil? This is one of those things that make you go… hmmm….

              To those who ascribe evil to good, and say that the Internet can bring no good, I ask; From where did the Internet spring forth? Do you not know that ALL inspiration is from the Spirit? Do you think the Holy Spirit would allow a tool to be used simply for evil purposes? Do you not understand the concept of the spiritual gifts of Fire, Water, Earth, and Air? That the gift of The Creative Fire was given to the DNA of the Chosen? This is the power of the 12 Aeons of the Tree, all the powers of creative life. That this is why you are called The Chosen, the Son’s of Seth, of Adam, and not of Cain, the serpent seed who are the sons of darkness?

              Do you not understand the meaning of collective consciousness? Do you not see the power in it? Do you not know that the power of God has been put into the temple of your mind, like a light in the darkness, to form a web of lights in the darkness of Babylon the Great? A web of lights so powerful, that it can transcend the darkness, to defeat the evil? That in so doing, you become the True Temple of God, of the community of minds on Earth as it is in Heaven? That by doing this, you have fulfilled prophecy? You are building the Third temple, of the Chosen, as the spiritual evolution of the power of the Light within you, it is becoming more powerful as the Earth groans in the dark energy wave now upon us, and you join minds like the sea and the waves roaring in confusion?

              But ultimately, you must throw off the MYSTERY that divides us, and seek the New Revelation of Light and Dark. This is the lady of 12 stars in her crown, the 12 Aeon’s, the power of God in you, manifested as a clothing of the light of the Sun, and that you stand on the moon, the power of darkness, conquering it. But to conquer it, you must first conquer your own fears, the dark power within, the animal, the Beast. You can only do this by turning from Mammon, which is the Material world. You must abandon the love of money, and turn to the love of life. You must abandon the Authorities, and leave them to die, as they destroy themselves. Do you not know, evil consumes evil?

              Do you not know, that as long as you continue to argue over old doctrines, ideologies, and money policies of the deceived minions of The Statue, that you are slaves to the Illusion of Division? Do you not feel the splinter in your mind, that all is not as it appears, that all things in this world are fundamentally broken? That without a unifying vision, a new doctrine, a new ideology, that you are simply continuing in the thinking of the past, and it shall yield the results of the past? Do you not know by now, that the only thing that conquers the MYSTERIES, is KNOWLEDGE? Do you not know, that you can never OWN anything? That life is merely a temporary illusion, and Earth is the property of God? That the Dream of material wealth, is what keeps you tied to the Earth and is the root of all evil? That money itself, is not gold, or paper, it is YOU, it is merely a chip in the Game of Life. And as long as you believe what the Head of Gold, and its minions tells you, you will be forever miserable, because you chase a thing that can only be grasped for a short time, and then it slips from your grasp, back to where it came.

              Do we not see, that we argue incessantly about things that cannot be proven? That when you argue about MYSTERY, all the arguments lead to further division? See this argument here, about scriptures that are not clear, and can never be clear, because there is much conflict in the Word. Those who say the Word is ‘infallible’ don’t understand, that God Himself did not hold the pen. They have never read the letter of the translators of the King James. They have never read hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. But it is only when you see what was left out, what was excluded, what was burned and called evil, does your mind turn inside out, and your soul sings at the Truth of what the Christ brought to Earth.

              It is only when the Gnosis or Knowledge of the divine, sheds light on the Mystery, that we can overcome the superstitions and competing doctrinal confusions, and reach the common sense of the simplicity of true spirituality. The unification mechanism of a sword of truth, the oldest song is new again, that what the Christ taught, was that being good is good enough. That is what I call Spiritual Relativity, that all religions are relative to the True Light of God, which is pure agape love, that Buddha called empathy for all living things. There is even evidence in the Gnosis, that the Christ spirit, came down three times, the third was a virginal birth designed by Him for Himself.

              The revenge of the heretics is the Oldest Song, the ‘Forbidden’ Knowledge of Enoch and Gnosis of Christ, that overcomes the Mystery of the Church. The meaning of the Holy Grail, is the Unified Field of God, in the Einstein-Enoch Equation, that gives the Proof of God’s creating primal forces, the Holy Light and the Dark waters of the Firmament, the Yin and Yang, the electric and magnetic. Proven in the resolution of the phenomena of the rocks(why do big rocks rise out of little rocks?). The life generating Universe through the DNA of the Indian Medicine wheel, manifested in our reality through the spiritual geometry of the Voice of God in the infinite data stream in the helix of Pi.

              And we wonder why the Revelation of John, condemned the Mother of Harlots, who was named MYSTERY, BABYLON the Great?

              The science of God lies at the nexus of science and religion. To those who ridicule or object, I merely ask one thing, disprove the equation. Why do I refuse to argue scripture? Because it is impossible to do without conflict, and I love you. It is also the basis of;
              The Spirituality of Prepping 101.

              May His Force be with you.

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              • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                Piper: I don’t say or believe that you are stupid nor ignorant. I just believe you are very wrong on quite alot is all. You say now that you do not believe in Christ’s Bodily resurection. Thats your choice. But I do.

                You state you refuse to argue scripture. Yet you cherry pick many verses of scripture but readjust it to fit whatever it is You believe. That too is your choice.

                But I do not think to do so and expect others to not debate certain things you say is folly. If you are going to use or quote biblical verses aka scriptures and then say you refuse to “argue” I call it debate. Either way you expect too much if you think others wont question your method with bible verses etc.

                Whatever you choose to believe is your free will choice. It wont effect me nor my salvation either way Piper, as my beliefs wont affect your’s right. I just couldn’t help to question much of what you tell us is facts or truth.

                I have read most of all your posts on these issues. And have to say again I myself think you are very wrong on quite alot of it and that is from trying to Mix most everything you found like in a Blender and pour out some brand new thing. I also do not believe All of the orig ancient folks and scholors were trying to create a hoax or whatever. There are evil intent minded popes etc yes.

                Not all are though. And as far as mixing new age-indian pagan lore or religions-budda-christ-et al into your own version of thruth?…Sorry I just aint buying it.

                I do not intend you any offence for what you believe Piper. I simply Disagree with alot or most is all. I think you are very intelligent not stupid. That don’t mean it makes you correct in my eyes. But Hey its yours to believe or not right.

                Also do not get the impression that you alone has prayed to God for guidence and to reveal His truths as I too have done so and I too have recieved answers. Along with several experiences similar to yours which I rather not divulge here. If we ever meet in Person perhaps then I will speak of those experiences. I will say mine were definatly as you say not from this world, be that angelic or Godly or call it whatever. But I too have had similar experiences. Only My answers are vastly different from what you beliebe Piper. Thats ok though right. Believe what you care too.

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    38. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      Israel uses the USA like a whore: Traficant

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        Dont tead. Why do you Keep posting quote like breeding like dogs as if I ever wrote or said that?…You are purpously trying to get Others to believe I said such crap…YOU is who said that in your last stupid idiotc post to me. WHY?

        Its like some childish fetish you have to attempt to turn folks against me for quotes I never wrote. YOU got a huge problem.

        THEN you actually stated “Dont ignore the FACT that,“two of every flesh” could have included all flesh, not just animals.

        First you say FACT than – “Could have”?…Which is it genius. There would be zero could have if as You say it is a FACT…And You berate Me as some babbler and “Confused”…Man, I se now how you can so easily Misread the bible and also whatever I write,no wonder you keep adding quoted stuf I never wrote. I never in my Life even thought of that phrase breed like dogs!

        yet somehow You seen it in MY posting words?…YOU have a severe problem with real factual reality. I wont bother to reply to your idiotc attempts to discredit me…have fun in your fantasy versions of the bible…Eye Glasses may be apropriate for you too. Or find a person that Can Read whats wrote to explain to you.

        Oh and I dont recall I ever wrote “Gods servants LIARS”?…Just make it up as You go eh…Sounds alot like liberals today you do. make it up and refuse to admit when proven wrong! Yep…Liberal traits.

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    39. The Zionist Jews have been methodically working on this “Incompetency” project for many, many years now. Look who the majority of the first Psychologists were and are today. Look who runs the Pharmaceutical world. Look who runs the AMA. LOOK WHO RUNS THE WORLD!

      You want to clean this up fast? You know who needs to be ferreted out of the system. Don’t need a massive internal civil war. Selected targets guilty of espionage, massive corruption and the systematic dismantling of the CONSTITUTION. No indiscriminate killing. Go to the Source.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Eizenkrutz: but NOT All jewsih folks are guilty of starting all wars. Just as not all blacks-whites-mexican-chineese-japs-etc are evil or bad.

          I agree if you say some groups seem to have a much higher proportion of their folks who do wrong or evils. But I do not believe there is any race nor group that 100% are bad end of story period.

          And if you look back at my posts I have stated many times things about several groups…Yet you will find that I never stated I Hate anybody or group Nor that I ever said all of whatever group or race is bad.

          Some people don’t Read what was wrote or they surmize that’s what is said…Some seem to think if you mention even a single person of a race or group that means you automatically Hate, or it is the same as you saying all are bad even if you mention only a single person.

          Example: I have stated what I think on Al Sharpton, and Idiots scramble to post a reply to call me a black hater or racist…Even though I mentioned but One single black man and His personal traits or evils etc.

          So perhaps if you clarify that you do not think all of a group are bad or wrong it assists other readers and you wont be misunderstood.

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    40. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      ‘US lawmakers forced to support Israel’ – Cynthia McKinney

      Iran poses no threat to AmeriKa or Israel .

      Former US lawmaker Cynthia McKinney says every candidate for Congress has to sign a pledge to vote for supporting the military superiority of Israel.

      “Every candidate for Congress at that time had a pledge. They were given a pledge to sign … that had Jerusalem as the capital city,” McKinney said in an interview with Press TV on Sunday.

      “You make a commitment that you would vote to support the military superiority of Israel that the economic assistant that Israel wants that you would vote to provide that,” she added.

      McKinney said that if a candidate does not sign the pledge or perform accordingly, “then you do not get money to run your campaign.”

      The former Congresswoman said that after she made the pledge issue public “the tactic changed.”

      “But this is what is done for 535 members of the United States Congress, 100 senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives have to now write a paragraph which basically says the same thing.”

      He comments came as US President Barack Obama vowed to sustain Israel’s military superiority over its neighbors at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s (AIPAC) annual gathering on Sunday.

      “We (the US) will maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge”… “We have increased military financing to record levels,” Obama said.

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    41. Jack says:

      I love the way Dante described the Ninth Level of Hell. That level of Hell is reserved for politicians, bureaucrats and all other sorts of traitors. He said they were frozen in ice, up to various levels, surrounded by giants, and every passer-by got to urinate on their heads. If that is the case, I might take up beer drinking, again…

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    42. oUCH says:

      Check out this list of arms manufacturers that are refusing to sell the government / police agencies unless the citizens living in those areas are also allowed by law to purchase their products… this is BRILLIANT !!!

      Now if bullet makers would do the same…. good for the goose, good for the gander.

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    43. braveheart says:

      OK, everyone, I’m livid over this one, just like on that target article the other day. American Nightmare, I’m with you all the way. Just like a majority of people out there, I’ve got veterans in my family. In fact, they called me last night saying they got those same letters from the VA. They told me, “NO WAY WE’RE GIVING UP OUR GUNS!” To all veterans ou there, especially those who have had ANY kind of trouble with VA medical care in the past, tell them to forget about you giving up any weapons, PERIOD! As far as I’m concerned, THE VA AND ALL OTHER GOVT. AGENCIES ARE INCOMPETENT AND ARE IN NO POSITION TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON VETERANS OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. ALL GOVT. AGENCIES CAN GO F#$% THEMSELVES, DHS INCLUDED! WHAT MAKES THE VA THINK THEY CAN PASS JUDGMENT ON ANYONE, WHEN THEY DON’T EVEN PROVIDE HALF-ASSED MEDICAL CARE TO THE VETS? The vets in my family avoid VA like it was HIV, and I don’t blame them. Anyone who’s ever been in a VA facility, you’ve already seen what ALL health care facilities will be like under Obamacare. IF ANYBODY SENDS ME SUCH A LETTER, I’LL SEND IT BACK TO THEM SAYING FORGET IT! Sorry about having so much caps lock; I’m in the same mood as i was in over that article on the DHS targets the other day. NOMI CATIMF Braveheart

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        These issues are infuriating, these men and women have served their country, now are having their rights taken from them by government bureaucrats who havent served anything but a bunch of bullshit.
        Keep the passion friend,

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      • Eisenkreuz says:

        Embrace the caps lock my preppa.

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      • Braveheart,
        From a vietnam vet who agrees with your sentiment…
        Let the fire burn down to a bed of coals,
        that will keep you warm on the winters tide to come,
        as in the future, like a force of nature burning,

        will remember.

        So that in yon futures sweetened darkness,
        we can all cry HAVOC, and loose the dogs of war.

        But our hearts dear brother, must contend,
        and first live the days that never end.

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    44. jerrytbg says:

      When you consider this will, apparently, be done without adjudication, impartially , is an outrage.
      I heard that they were trying to do something similar during the clinton era… errrrrrrr
      Being a vet myself…. well…you know how I feel…

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    45. Gonetoolong says:

      I don’t know why anybody would want their kids to join the US armed forces at this point. Seeing how they are treated after service. Also the bullshit engagements they are placed into, and the way they are viewed in general (Benghazi). I will disuade all of my 4 children from entering any military service. Sad days in America.

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      • jerrytbg says:

        I could give a score of accounts… but most recently one of my sailing buddy’s oldest son asked my opinion on “sighing up”…
        understand, this is a kid who was a danger to ANY game within 200yrds…;)
        I suggested …not…truth be told…it was selfish…
        We need shooters like him on the home front…:0

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      • RickInOregon says:

        I have different reasons for not wanting my kids to serve.

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    46. In my experience (one friend and one family member) it is difficult to get a diagnosis that requires medical or mental treatment from the VA. (Unless it is to obvious to suppress) I understand there are two main reasons for this. One is the government does not want to pay for an entire group who were exposed to a number of things. They additionally don’t want to say you have a disability due to not wanting to pay the monthly disability checks to you and potentially an entire group. My point being does anyone here know of people who have had their gun rights taken from them? I am sure they exist and it would be helpful to learn the circumstances. Some explanations would be that the person is mentally ill and a danger to himself or others. Another would be a misdiagnosis stating someone is mentally ill and they in fact are not. Another would be the military avenging a grudge and falsely stating someone is mentally ill.
      In some cases I understand that someone who is highly trained could also be bi polar and at times should not be left alone and also not have a gun. In some cases, the VA could label a person with the wrong disease and take away rights. The false diagnosis would obviously be not just illegal but if a person weren’t mentally ill to start with they may soon be.
      Does anyone on this site have personal examples or other reasons they can think of? I would also be interested in how many times the VA has done this. I would also be interested in the hearing process and whether it is utilized in order to challenge the VA (Gov) taking away rights. Is there a chat room or site where retired or discharged military discuss these or like issues? Let me know if you know. Thanks

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    47. Dick says:

      I hope everyone is planning on attending one of the 2-23 second amendment rallies going on tomorrow. People need to see that we will stand for the 1st and 2nd amendments. To our vets who are now being scrutinized even more intently I would like to thank you for service and you can count on me when SHTF.


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    48. Ironically, this will stop people from going to the doctors and getting medical attention because of fear of the government. Obamacare was suppose to get more people covered, but what good will it do if they will not now seek medical services. My late father (a 23 year army vet) once told his doctor in idle chat that he sometimes got very angry at some of the things said on tv. The doctor imediately called family members and suggested that maybe he should not be allowed to have access to guns. He had never shown any indication of being violent. Today the doctor would probably notify the police that he was not competent to own firearms. Watch what you say to whoever you are talking to today.

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    49. braveheart says:

      Eisenkreuz, your points are well taken, but please unlock your caps. At least I set limits on my caps lock. I feel the same way you do, but you sound like you’re about to have a stroke. Settle down. braveheart

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    50. StopItNow says:

      So what is the benefit of this program? now vets that need help will not get iti in fear of losing rights and what is the government going to do go blow away the vets that fought for the country? That doesnt sound like good pr.

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    51. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      HOLY CRAPOLLA a must watch … CANADA PIGS GO WILD !!!


      4 Canadian Police Officers Lose It & Brutally Beat helpless Suspect ;0P

      Police Come Upon Self Surrendered Prone Robbery Suspect , Proceed To Beat the sheeit out of Him Viciously … WTF CANADA ???

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    52. Paranoid says:

      We must all speak with one voice: “Molon Labe”

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    53. Boss Hog says:

      Ya know its pretty much at the point now that everything is unconstitutional, illegal,so much so that it really doesnt matter what they think, plan, scheme or do. Its tyranny and If not now then soon everyone is gonna be touched by these gangsters. This isnt anything new most of us know enough history to recognize this for what it is. They are comming for your guns.One way or another they will dissarm everyone. Eventually something is gonna crack (the patience of the American people) and we could be knee deep in civil war or ethnic, race, tribal if you will style situation like Bosnia or Afgahnistan. However if we dont snap at some point then its off to the FEMA camps for reeducation and rfid chip. Its a great start to the tribulation note to self more ammo.

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    54. Patriot One says:

      Here is my one voice to these government idiots, FUCK YOU!!! Sorry for my language, but just who do they think protects their sorry asses? Who do they thinks protects their freedoms?

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      • sixpack says:

        “Who do they thinks protects their freedoms?”

        Well, their tax payer-paid body guards, of course. Then they exempt themselves from their own gun restrictions. Then they wouldn’t know what to do without the armed security guards at the gate of their gated communities, who keep the “riff-raff” out. The state-of-the-art security grids they all own. And lastly, their own hubris.

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        • Patriot One says:

          Just where do you think the body guards got most of their training? When the SHTF these idiots are going to be screaming for security as their guards turn on them. Read your history, it happens every time. The masses at the gates with pitch forks and clubs. The guards look at the ones they are to protect with disdain then turn and walk away.

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    55. braveheart says:

      Say When, welcome aboard and that was some of the best humor I’ve ever heard anywhere. I even printed a copy of it. It IS priceless!

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    56. Ugly says:

      Psycological evaluation:

      These folks do not get gun:
      1. White Christian Males.
      2. Republican or Tea Party
      3. White women married to white men
      4. Veterans
      5. White women at bible study

      These folks can have a gun:
      1. Gang Members
      2. Convicts
      3. Democrats concerned about Republicans
      4. UN and NATO for Peace Keeping
      5. Chinese National Guard cause US Soldiers are elsewhere
      6. NWO Banksters
      7. President and Senators
      8. Movie Stars and Billionares

      Pretty easy decsions really?

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      • Like I’ve been saying Ugly…exactly.

        THEY THINK they know that 80% of white folks will bitch moan and complain, then follow the law.
        They all think that 80% of black folks, will NOT.
        The 80-20 rule.

        They are disarming vets, and white folks. Their only TRUE opposition.

        The III, we’re everywhere.

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        • Ugly says:

          Piper….true. Gun control is not aimed at all facets of America, but only to a few selected groups. It is a focused gun control.

          While they are disarming others, they are arming themselves.

          If civil war breaks out someday, I hope Mexico and Canada will be ready for the new version of illegal immigration. This will spill into their countries as people try to flee the tyranny and violence.

          Lets hope we are all wrong and things change for the better. Do you have any hope?

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          • No.
            The numbers and political deadlock in DC speaks for itself. It is only a matter of time before the Chinese, Arabs, Russians and their allies, gang up on us and kill the dollar. This is already being done as they finish up their “Dollar kill switch”. This is a gold based barter currency system to bypass the SWIFT system of trade settlements.

            When this is complete, and they have aligned all the ‘allies’ they can peel off from the dollar system, they will throw the switch. Will it be war? It always is…but first comes the pain and the blame, the gas and the food riots when the trucks stop, martial law, etc.

            This may begin this summer, but it won’t be the end of US, just maybe the U.S… if we, the patriot community, could just organize a network of producers and do like they are doing in Spain we might be ok… unless we are invaded or attacked outright.

            I don’t see the ‘crash’ happening until 2014-15, but it too, could be a slow affair starting with import failures of oil and products. Who the hell knows? No man knows the future, that’s why we have ‘contingency’ plans…

            I dunno ugly, trends are terrible, but complexity is beyond prediction. My thoughts are, that the dollar will crash, the Arabs will demand gold for oil, or a poison pill. Being, national submission to Allah for oil. That’s what I would do, if I were the enemy. There are just too many nasty looking dots happening, and the sense of denial coming out of DC is frightening in more ways than one.

            Machiavelli was right… its all about who wants to be the big dog on the block.
            Sadly, our Dear Leader, is out of his depth, or his strings are being pulled hard by the Ibankers. My guess is the latter, and the deals are already made as to who gets what part of CONUS, while Dear Leader gets to be King Governor or some such crap as he makes out the republican party, capitalism and christians to be a criminal mafia. They cannot have a one world government, without the outright elimination of Christianity, and this new pope plays into it, I have a feeling. Just a feeling.

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            • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

              Piper: if you haven’t as yet?…And based upon what you wrote I think you may not be aware of or have not researched as yet something called te “Noahide” laws..IE: 7-Basic Laws which branch Out into a total of aprox 65-70 laws total. All offence of each noahide law carries the Death penalty by Decapitation! behaedings!

              Yet this has zero to do with Any form of sharia laws nor Islamic laws of any type.

              George Bush jr made it Official fed code law when he signed into us code fed law, “National Education Day” a fed law to honor education, and also hidden in details of it is also Recognition of the birthday of a certain Rabbi, Rabbi Shneerson…Hes now dead(died aprox 10 yrs ago if I recall) but Shneerson himself an Orthodox Rabbi(wear too small black wide brim hats and suits in all black like funeral director), was by Most all other orthodox jewsih rabbis and reg folks to be their Messiah.

              No joke Piper. I Read the Entire fed code law of Noahide stuff and How it got passed the exact same method as the 1913 fed res act was done! Pased by 4-voice vote(unrecorded as to who voice-voted) AFTER the entire rest of senate and congress reps were sent Home for xmass holidays!(same as fed reserve act was swindled eh).

              I have a website BY a former Kalif US Rep who was a us rep 16 yrs. Then he retired from us congress. He was of those sent home for xmass when it got passed without his knowledge. He not only lists the entire Actual Noahide fed laws, but an expose’ of who and how passed it etc.

              It seems the Real true plans the globalists and NWO types are planning to do is that. The Noahide laws.

              Number One of 7 main laws= ALL forms Idol worship is forbidden…Guess what them who plan to Rule by it considers Jesus Christ and Christians?…YEP! acording to Noahide laws Christ is a False God/Idol and all christians that refuse to stop beliefs in Jesus etc will get BEHEADED when found guilty of “Idol” worship.

              Another noahide law is for Stealing. That also gets you Beheaded if convicted!…

              Now consider this, Noahide fed laws, ONLY applies to ALL gentiles!…Because They believe the 10-commandments were God given to Mosses ONLY to Pertain to Jewish folks!…SO this is reason Noahide laws are soooo needed…Because if 10 comandments Only apply to jews, they Need laws that do apply to gentiles!

              Therefore all jews are Exempt from all noahide laws.

              And I do think this Noahide law stuff just may be the kinda hidden Real agenda soon planned for americans. Check it out see what you think of it all Piper. I have a link to that US Reps site with all of this info if you need it I will find it to give you.

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              • Am,
                Never heard of this…
                And I’m from Missouri… so please, educate me.
                I never turn down any crazy theories or other tinfoil stuff, I take it all in.
                I call this the Way of Knowledge. No discrimination, no labels, no categorization. I put it all in and stir the pot. What is a good ‘dot’ will connect to another good dot, form a connection, and they will support each other. These are the dots of Light. The ‘bad’ dots will fall of their own darkness and disconnect themselves from the knowledge banks.

                I don’t like Jews as far as I’ve been exposed to them. I try not to lump whole peoples into generalized groups. But, in their case, I at least accept that they are usually arrogant, and brutal businessmen. I will never knowingly do business with another one.

                I also think, that the prophetic influence of The Chosen, is not ‘Jew’, but all the tribes, since we, the white people, are the lost ten tribes and the sons of Abraham. We, are the 10 horns or Shofars, that sit on the Beast in control, in fulfillment of the prophecy of Abraham. A great nation and company of nations…eh?

                The Jewish banker thing, is, I think, a ruse of some very smart white folks, impersonating Jews, just to stir up passions against them. Not that they, the Jews themselves are not inordinately rich and part of that ‘club’. Just that they are not the whole club. I think there are factions fighting for control of the whole enchilada. Thus, Bauer became Rothschild… ;-)

                God bless

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                • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                  PIPER: HERE!

                  NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS (I will Post the Link for this as there is Much more to Read. BUT, I will make a new post to Follow this posting incase mods holds it up due to link added ok,,Angelo)

                  Bill Dannemeyer
                  U.S. Congressman, 1979-1992

                  Your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the “crime” of worshipping Jesus Christ! A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their OWN leaders, Senators and Congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil. On March 5, 1991, in the House of Representatives, and March 7, 1991, in the U.S. Senate, without any knowledge of, or input by, the people of the United States, U.S. Senators and Congressmen passed a law that is so outrageous – and frankly unconstitutional – that it forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules, called the Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishable by decapitation by guillotine! On March 20, 1991, President George H.W. Bush, a supposed Christian, signed the bill into law.

                  Before you respond, “NO, that cannot be – not in our free country!” let me explain.

                  The passage of this law, HJ Res. 104, is especially troublesome to me because I was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time it was passed. Even worse, I was in the House Chamber the very day that is was passed, voting on other legislation. Yet I, as a U.S. Congressman, had NO KNOWLEDGE that it had been passed or even that it was to be brought up for a vote.

                  How could this be? How could the deception be so pervasive that those of us who had sworn to uphold our country’s Constitution, particularly those of us (few, indeed) who really took our position seriously as the protectors of the people, could be totally in the dark regarding the content of this bill and its passage by the leaders of this country – by treachery and deceit?

                  HERES the Final end part.

                  The Noahide Laws are to become the national, though undeclared, religion of America. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits Congress from passing a law which establishes a religion for the United States of America. If another 9-11 type “terrorist” incident takes place, and Martial Law is declared, it is likely that the claim would be made that since the Noahide Laws have been recognized by Congress as the “basis of our civilization” and that according to the third Noahide Law, anyone who worships Jesus Christ violates this law, he or she may be characterized as a terrorist. Then the Talmudic penalty for violating any of the Noahide Laws, namely decapitation, would be enforced.

                  No American should underestimate the ferocity of the commitment of the Zionist Jews to control the entire political system of the world through the One World Government now being created, and in so doing administer “Justice” as they define it.

                  The main goal of the Zionist Jews and their New World Order is exactly the same as it was when Jesus was on earth – to exterminate Christ – and His followers! Nothing has changed.

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          • Gun Control is simply code for people control…just sayin…

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    57. AmeriKan Nightmare says:

      THE ZIONIST JEWS AMERIKA FIREARMS DIS-ARMAMENT PLAN of it’s Goyim Gentile tax debt slaves .


      hmmmmmm I wonder where todays Zionist Jews get their ideas from …

      Nazis quickly learned that they needed only a hundred ordinary military policemen to exterminate towns of a thousand Polish Jews in a single day. Contrast that fact with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. If the Jews had not first been disarmed, using previous gun registration lists as a map for confiscation, the Holocaust would not have been possible.

      Likewise in the Soviet Union and in every other case, democide was preceded by “reasonable and commonsense” firearms registration, followed eventually by gun confiscation and then by the extermination of a despised minority population.

      Coming soon to MainStreet AmeriKa , bet on it !!!


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    58. Be informed says:

      First of all the U.S health care system is absolutely awful. Next you risk real danger going into the wrong dr. quack, especially how they will pump you full of chemicals that will likely destroy your immune system. Next you probably can’t trust dr. quack, because he or she likely works for “the man”. You don’t tell dr. quack anything other than exactly what they want to hear if you have to be treated by dr. quack. NEVER go into any dr. quack “head” doctor because they can make a totally sane person into something that they are not.

      You see how BO and these guv’ment agencies want to use the excuse of finding anyway of taking away your protection. It is so disgusting that I am upsetting myself talking about it. I think I will go back and try to figure out where the next big disaster is going to happen. This government stinks like every orifice on that ogress lamia feinsteinless, especially its mouth.

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