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    Executive Doomsday Order: Obama Authorizes Gov to Seize Farms, Food, Processing Plants, Energy Resources, Transportation, Skilled Laborers During National Emergency

    Mac Slavo
    March 18th, 2012
    SHTFplan.com
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    “In a nutshell, it’s the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for “National Defense”, whatever they decide that is.” (The Intel Hub)

    While millions of people have been preparing for the possibility of a catastrophic event by relocating to rural homesteads or farms, as well as stockpiling food, water, personal defense armaments and other essential supplies with the intention of utilizing these preparations if the worst happens, the latest executive order signed by President Obama on March 16, 2012 makes clear that in the event of a nationally deemed emergency all of these resources will fall under the authority of the United States government. 

    The signing of the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order grants the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Labor, the Department of Defense and other agencies complete control of all US resources, including the ability to seize, confiscate or re-delegate resources, materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense as delegated by the following agencies:

    Sec201.  Priorities and Allocations Authorities.  (a)

    (1)  the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

    (2)  the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

    (3)  the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

    (4)  the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

    (5)  the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

    (6)  the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

    (b)  The Secretary of each agency delegated authority under subsection (a) of this section (resource departments) shall plan for and issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources and establish standards and procedures by which the authority shall be used to promote the national defense, under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.

    The new order provides specific definitions for each of these essential infrastructure elements, indicating that all resources, not just those owned by large farms and businesses, are to be directly controlled by the government. Thus, if you think the investments you made in digging a water well, building a solar array, or stockpiling food were for your own personal use, think again:

    Excerpt:

    Sec801.  Definitions.  In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

    (b)  “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

    (c)  “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

    (e)  “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption.  “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

    (f)  “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

    (i)  “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

    (j)  “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity.  Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

    (n)  “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”

    Additionally, like the Selective Service established to draft Americans into the military in the event of war, all Americans are automatically registered for the National Defense Executive Reserve, an agency responsible for identifying experts and skilled laborers for jobs that may need to be performed during a national security. That means your entire work history is now stored, aggregated and flagged in a national database and you can be called on at any time and forced into service for national security reasons at a government-run institution or labor camp:

    Sec501.  National Defense Executive Reserve.  (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.

    (d)  The head of each agency with an NDER unit may exercise the authority under section 703 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2153, to employ civilian personnel when activating all or a part of its NDER unit.  The exercise of this authority shall be subject to the provisions of sections 501(e) and (f) of this order and shall not be redelegated.

    Sec601.  Secretary of Labor.  (a)  The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

    (1)  collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation’s workforce needs for purposes of national defense;

    (2)  upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;

    (3)  upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to:  (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;

    The EO also outlines compensation for resources and labor that may be seized by the government. Payments would be made debt receipts and overseen by the Treasury Department in conjunction with the Federal Reserve. Similar to compulsory eminent domain provisions, a government official would determine what your land, resources or labor are worth, and you would have no choice but to agree to that value:

    Sec301.  Loan Guarantees.  (a)  To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense, as defined in section 801(h) of this order, is authorized pursuant to section 301 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, to guarantee loans by private institutions.

    (b)  Each guaranteeing agency is designated and authorized to:  (1) act as fiscal agent in the making of its own guarantee contracts and in otherwise carrying out the purposes of section 301 of the Act; and (2) contract with any Federal Reserve Bank to assist the agency in serving as fiscal agent.

    As of March 16, 2012, your land, your food, your water and your abilities as a laborer are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the United States government at any time they choose to initiate the provisions of this order, which according to the order itself, can be during an emergency or a non-emergency.

    While some reports indicate that the general impact of this new executive order is negligible, when considered with the broader implications including the  introduction and passage of laws allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge or trial, restricting the general assembly of individuals to protest, the establishment of an internet ‘kill switch’ contingency plan and jamming of all non-government communications, the existence of FEMA refugee and detainment camps, coupled with confirmations that the U.S. government is training members of the armed forces for domestic policing duties and preparing for economic collapse and civil unrest, this latest legislation may very well be the final nail in the coffin for American liberty as we have known it under the US Constitution.

    When implemented simultaneously with existing laws and Presidential orders, the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order establishes a clear chain of command and control over all aspects of American life in what can only be described as a police state under martial law.

    Additional Research and References: Two-Hour Intel Hub Special Report:

    Hat tip Prepper Website, The Intel Hub, Drudge, Infowars, Inalienably Yours

    *Special Thanks to Readers: This recent executive order from the President has obviously struck a nerve. At last count we’ve received over 50 emails alerting us to this story since Saturday afternoon. Within 48 hours of this order being signed there already seems to be a massive public outcry. This is, by all accounts, one of the most, if not the most, dangerous laws enacted in American history. The NDAA, it seems, was merely a warm-up. 

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    1. kevin says:

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      • Aren’t you glad you didn’t get that HAM license? The are our definitely on the resource list.

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          • spanky says:

            How about your lanuage and why does the people that runs this site allow this filth!!!~!~!~~

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          • JENE says:

            So this is all lies. then where this come from. sound to me scarry.

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          • kay says:

            Doesn’t seem like a lie to me. The only lier i see is the one in office!

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            • Dr. J says:

              This is nothing new, and is not unique to Obama. This article is also quite inaccurate as far as the literal meaning of the order.
              While this specific executive order is new, orders like it have existed for quite some time. I know you guys want to have a reason for hating Obama, but come on…Democrat, Republican…they’re all crooks. Reagan signed numerous executive orders that are far worse than this, and the wordage used was not at all vague. They flat out said that the federal government can take your home, vehicle, whatever, if they deem it necessary. It was all in relation to “REX-84″.
              Executive orders are, in my opinion, unconstitutional, unless they pertain directly and exclusively to the workings of the executive branch. But alas, I am an original Constitutionalist, and a strong proponent of State authority and minimal federal powers (as outlined in the Constitution). So, quite literally, 99% of what the federal government does is unconstitutional. Even the beneficial agencies, if they delegate authority over the states, are unconstitutional (ATF, FBI, CIA, Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, etc). But whether they are beneficial or not is irrelevant (fruit of the poisonous tree theory).
              The federal government has very quickly evolved into an evil regime. The Civil War was a good start for them. Remember, we were supposed to be a confederacy. Hence why we are called the “United States”, and not the “Federation of States”.

              –Dr. J

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          • Thinker says:

            Thanks for this post. The wording of the Executive Order itself, as I read it, is in partial contradiction to the tone of this article – which seems to describe a threat of the government basically taking over everything for any reason. The Executive Order does place some limits on what the government can do, at least in terms of deploying or confiscating private property.

            That said, it’s still a concerning piece of regulation. For starters, it expands the power and authority of the executive branch of the government – basically redefining what the Constitution says about the limits to executive power. Also, again as I read the Executive Order, it does say that under the right circumstances, anyone can be drafted into the service of the National Defense Executive Reserve. Until now, if someone objected to the actions of the government, they didn’t have to go to work for it; it appears that this no longer is the case.

            Despite what can be viewed as a tone of hysteria in this article, the Executive Order still looks pretty disturbing. Even putting issues of personal rights aside, it very much reads like a wartime policy statement, and that has me very concerned about what’s planned, or at least anticipated, to happen.

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          • Owen K. says:

            I read it on the Government website. It doesn’t appear to be all lies to me. It reads pretty much the way it appears here. Do you need further clarification? Government can confiscate whatever it wants period. Anything they deem necessary and there isn’t anything you or I can do about it except leave the country.

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          • HolyMama says:

            Oh my word!! Live-on did you read the actual exec order? Really? And you can still call what you’ve read here lies? This is the scariest sh-t yet! I’ve got a 20 year old daughter and 17 year old son. This scares me for them. What can we do? Somebody tell me, please. Can America be saved? Or is it too late and all we can do is cash out and run? Or do we hunker down, hide and fight? We’re rural, self-reliant, growers and hunters, been prepping since before anybody knew what prepping was, but my kids!?

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            • native american says:

              We will fight to the death against this Govt. Yesterday and today. No matter what deal we worked with the white man or black or what ever they call them selves. We are the charter fathers of this country and the new americans will destroy our land forever. But when they come for my people again we have a weapon no american has or can fathom. If you cant hold your original freedoms of the constitution they will aim for us once again. This time our youth is more prepared than you modern americans. We New these time would come again. It was written by my fathers father and never released to the media. We know the real intent of the new america and it’s not freedom!

              Bless the Christian nation,and our friends abroad!
              Please God the time is now. Amen

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              • When you say “we have a weapon no american has or can fathom”……your not talking about bringing the Ghost dance back now are you??? I mean I don’t want you to go nuclear on us. You’d be better off learning to line dance if you want to fool “the white man or black or what ever they call them selves.” (As to naming them, I suggest you call them: “the left-wing Government people instead of “the white man or black or what ever they call them selves.” As most whites are against them—–not for them!! Line dancing you say??? Apparently “Big left-wing Government people put much faith…..and dollars….in this dance.

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            • Terris says:

              Pray for our nation. I know some will not appreciate this response, because so many do not believe in or worship God. But it is God who is our nation’s defense and not our military. For those who pray, pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.

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        • US Marines says:

          My Fellow Americans:

          (@nd Attempt At Posting This)

          Is there anybody here who is really surprised?

          I repost one of the essay’s I had written and has appeared in various blogs.

          Rmemember,…

          1)Tommorrow (3/19/12), the Greek debt sale goes off and there is an expected CDS (Credit Default Swap) payout, which could cascade into a 50+ TRILLION dollar crash (for starters), hence why the CME just had itself DE-REGESTERED as the Derivatives Clearing House for Europe! This could initiate a true global banking system crash.

          2) The USS Enterprise is due to arrive off Irans beaches tommorrow also. This stinks to high heaven of a False-Flag to initiate war with Iran. The pyschos in charge will missle &/or torpedeo strike the Enterprise just to further their NWO Agenda.

          3) Iran has been removed from the Global banking system called SWIFT, and is now going to be taking Gold for oil, which is EXACTLY what the International Terrorist (Internatioanl Banksters) at the IMF, World Bank, & the Rothchilds DON’T want.

          4) The US has now threatened India with retalitiation if it buys any of Irans oil this week (I have not heard what this “retaliation” would come as…)

          REPOST OF ESSAY #3:

          SHORT ESSAY #3: AMERICA HAS ALREADY BEEN OVERTHROWN!!

          AMERICANS STILL DON’T SEEM TO GET IT:

          AMERICA HAS ALREADY BEEN OVERTHROWN,….IT IS TIME TO RESIST THE OCCUPATION!

          This country has been invaded and taken over by the international bankers, who then corrupted every aspect of our government.

          The US Federal Government is NOT an American gov’t. It is an “ENEMY FORCE IN OCCUPATION” that has camouflaged its overthrow of the US Gov’t.

          From the point of view of a Constitutional America,….none of the current events make sense.

          From the point of view of an “Enemy Force In Occupation”,……EVERYTHING makes sense.

          Their design is simple:

          1 – SUBJUGATE: TSA, DHS, FDA, FBI, Cops, Courts, Cameras Everywhere, etc.

          2 – EXTRACT WEALTH: IRS, The Federal Reserve, Sheriffs (they willingly kick people out of their homes), Congressional Bail-Outs (Being Un-Constitutional hasn’t stopped them)

          3 – EXTERMINATE: False-Flag Ops – 9/11, WTC Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Anthrax, Forced Vaccinations, The Coming False-Flags Ops of Nuclear-Bio Agents.

          This has been the British/International Banksters/Israeli mode of subversive takeover through out their respective existences,… especially for the British, thru outright coercion and thru the Banking systems (look at what they did to China, India, Indonesia, and EVERY other country they had been in).

          They (the Wealthy Elite that constitute the Shadow Gov’t,…CIA, FBI, International Banksters, Rogue Elements of the American, British and Israeli Gov‘t) are about to take all the previous experiences they have learned to a whole NEW level.

          As such, the USA is not “America The Free”, it is actually the largest POW Camp in the world and we are all prisoners and potential disrupters, hence the Dep’t Of Homeland Security (which is actually Homeland Gestapo) has labeled Americans who still think and act like this is the USA and “resist” the occupation as…….. “terrorists”.

          Since we ARE technically POW’s, then the Law Of War and the Geneva Convention should apply, and the principles for ALL POW’S to observe is:

          - It is the Duty of all POW’s to RESIST our captors by every means possible.

          - To disrupt their designs and actions by any and all means.

          - To REFUSE to cooperate in any way.

          - To Refuse any/all special treatment.

          - To provide no information expect name, rank, serial number (SS #)

          - To create as much difficulty as possible to cause the greatest use of personnel and assets so as to reduce their capacity to wage warfare elsewhere on us.

          The US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OUR ENEMY.

          It is our duty to “defend our country against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic”, and clearly, the enemy of greatest destruction against the US, are the domestic ones.

          It is time for Americans to recognize that the USA HAS been overthrown by the International Bankers, aided and abetted by corporations, corrupt politicians and a judicial system that has been wholly bought-off.

          We are not fighting to correct an American Gov’t, We are fighting to eliminate this Enemy called the Federal Government, and PUT an AMERICAN Government Back in power!

          People will not realize the value of Freedom and Liberty,… until they have lost it.

          Then, it is to late to restore it without violent confrontation, or,…simply yield and welcome death.

          JD – US Marines – Fighting To Restore An American Gov’t.

          ADDENDUM:

          The “Enemy Force In Occupation” called the US Federal Gov’t, is controlled by the same people who control the Free Press, Mass Media, or the proper term – “The Joseph Gobbels Ministry Of Propaganda”

          Most Americans genuinely have no clue that they are simply fodder, and in the view of the International Bankers that are running this country, we are LESS than roaches in their eyes! At least roaches don’t consume some of the earths more valuable resources like oil and natural gas,… hence their desire to reduce the human population by over 90% to less than 1 Billion (there are currently 7 Billion people, estimated)

          They will soon be moving into the final phase of “population mitigation” by using a Nuclear False-Flag to obtain the shock and awe needed to institute COG, REX84, Martial Law, and it will be coupled with a Bio Agent (Small Pox and Pneumonia Hemorrhagic) to provide the excuse to herd the masses into “Treatment Camps”,.. FEMA Camps, where most will die and leave up a flue pipe as hot exhaust gases (high heat is the only way to destroy pathogens with 100% certainty). This is called an oven no matter how you wish to describe it.

          Solution Assets:
          *************

          We have Americans willing to fight.

          Most Americans have firearms.

          We have the moral high ground (A Sun Tzu requirement to win)

          What we lack:
          ***********

          Organization, communication, concise information.

          If a group of selfless men can organize a Patriots Group to address the Overthrow of the American Gov’t that has occurred, everything will fall into place on its own,… hence why DHA, TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, NRO, and a host of other alphabet organizations we never even heard of are SCOURING the country to spot any such effort.

          The Prison camp guards don’t want us inmates to realize our predicament, and develop a response plan.

          But we will succeed.

          JD – US Marines – Defender of The US Constitution.

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          • Nam Marine says:

            SEMPER FI MARINE ! Keep up the good fight!

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          • US Marines says:

            OH-RAH Nam Marine,

            Hope all is well for you and your family my brother!

            Get your shit wired tight,.. we are clearly getting closer to a major event,.. afterall, the largest Terrorist Organization in human history, the Internatioanl Banksters, are running out of options.

            The’re last option, is all out war.

            With 4 Aircraft Carrier Groups all within spitting distance of each other, just off Irans beaches,.. this can only end badly.

            Get ready to make them eat shit and die!

            JD – US Marines – Defenders Of America, Americans & The US Constitution

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          • Bergsra says:

            Awesome post! What part of the country do you live in JD Marine!?

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        • fred miller says:

          goofy obozo taking control of everything for ANY reason…..Three hundred million heavily armed americans say…BRING IT BABY…

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      • Odd Questioner says:

        Hijacking the thread to bring about a better discussion…

        First, I told you so. I’ll explain: The government will be going after the silos, the plants, and the big sources of, well, stuff. They won’t have the manpower or the resources (let alone the time) to chase down every last person who might have an extra can of soup in his cupboard.

        However, this doesn’t mean you get to breathe a sigh of relief.

        Second, to avoid attracting attention, well, don’t attract attention. Those dummies on “Doomsday Preppers” who show off the mountain of foodstocks and such they got laid up? I’m willing to admit a blind spot here, because when I saw those, I thought of something. While the national government won’t bother you, well, I bet that the local constabularies in their respective towns will concoct some “OMG we’ve been deputized by the gub’mint!” excuse to come and confiscate the stocks from obvious preppers. Oh, I know the response… “I got enough guns to fend off the entire Eighth Army!” Won’t do you any good. You’ll get a couple of ‘em, but given a big enough group of hungry and deputized people bearing down on you, you’re boned if they know what you have and where you are.

        Third – an idea: Without being stupid and showing off your stockpile (seriously? It’s stupid), find a small town, move into it, and get enough of your neighbors involved that you can, as a group, cut off the rest of the world if needed. For instance, I live in a small town. All we would need to do is to block/blow two bridges, and we’d be perfectly isolated for quite awhile. (Mind you, eventually any place can be reached, but then it becomes a question of resources spent getting there versus resources gained once you arrive. It’s also called a cost/benefit analysis. In the case of my little burg, the cost would be a mother, and the benefits? Outside of timber, there’s not really enough here, to support anyone not already living here.)

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        • angrycitizen says:

          You are mistaken, my friend…

          Who do you think “the government” will be? I mean, who will be confiscating your weapons, food, land, and finally – your loved ones?

          Do you really think that it will be Obama signing an order to go grab stuff from Odd Questioner?..

          No, of course not.

          If the whole small town is starving because the Fed Reserve and their World War III depleted all resources, the economy collapsed, and there are no truck delivering good to Walmart and mom-and-pop stores on Main Street, it will be the local chief of police and SWAT team who will be going door-to-door.

          It won’t take long to sweep through several hundred – or several thousand – houses and apartments.

          … They will be joined by crooks who will be hired by the gov’t in advance (read: FEMA, Black Water, etc.) who will have no second thoughts on crushing any resistance… They will be “just following orders”, right?..

          … Add to that hundreds – if not thousands – of your good neighbors who will scream and demand confiscations from “hoarders” so that their children are fed.

          … Add to that rumors of “insurgents” attacking “our boys who are just trying to help restore the order”, and older folks being shot for trying to protect their stashes of canned food…

          … and the question is:
          do you still believe that they won’t be able to “chase down every last person who might have an extra can of soup in his cupboard”?

          I am just trying to be realistic here.
          Please take no offense if my argument seems rude.

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            Those who are not prepared for even a small matter are those who are fine with the govt, most-likely get a complete hand-out and will scream the loudest for help. These individuals have provided nothing and taken everything.

            These people have done a huge disservice to their country, their community, themselves, their planet and their creator.

            They will get what they deserve.

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          • DRD5508 says:

            It isn’t rude, truth can be a hard pill to swallow. Well said and factual.

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          • DRD5508 says:

            Also, they will be coming for PMs. The gov/fed will be creating the bank holidays get ready because it is going to be intense, soon.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            I take no offense, and you brought up something I mentioned already – specifically, this:

            “While the national government won’t bother you, well, I bet that the local constabularies in their respective towns will concoct some “OMG we’ve been deputized by the gub’mint!” excuse to come and confiscate the stocks from obvious preppers.”

            I have no illusions that there will be local teams that form up and become raiders. I sincerely doubt that they will all be specialized SWAT teams with scary-crazy tactics and abilities, however. Most will be rank amateurs at best, but with violent tendencies and hair-trigger attitudes.

            There’s one more thing that gets in the way of your scenario: The more stuff and personnel such a team collects, the slower they are stuck with going. After a certain size, they won’t be able to get anywhere at all without breaking up. This limits the size of a group to anywhere from 12-30 people, maximum. Anything bigger and logistics gets in the way, especially over any long distances such as those found west of the Rockies, or in desert (or mountain) terrain.

            I’ve covered a lot of this ground before… in some areas, such groups will thrive, but in others, they will have a very hard time of it, if not come apart or die in the middle of nowhere.

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          • don't-tread says:

            Almost half the population already are, or soon will become “TAKERS”. As the little article I put together on personalities and how to identify the five types lays out; there is another 20% plus that will probably roll over into the “TAKER” category. They are what is referred to now, as the “Floaters”. Many have requested this report and I’ve received some very nice comments from many of you. I’ll be glad to e-mail it to anyone interested in checking it out. Just email me at mctread@embarqmail.com ….and I’ll forward it. It may be helpful in discerning the type of people you may come into contact with.

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          • John W. says:

            I would say you have nailed it. This has always been my belief that they would grab your kids at school and hold them until you turn in your guns and anything else they want, stop you at a random roadblock take your keys and go to your house and take what they want. they will already know if you have any registered firearms. Lastly the Patriot Act gives them the right to do a break and enter of anyones home and either take what they want then or come back later with a warrant. The big difference between Obamas latest Ec and previous ones which were very similiar is his does not require a national emergency to implement. He can do it anytime he feels like just on his say so. Given his lawless personality, the terrorists he associates with like Ayers those conditions should give anyone some cause for worry. What a way to stay in power. No election. Stroke of the pen law of the land.

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          • Nam Marine says:

            According to the NRA, there are 350 million gun owners in America! Bring on the Bad guys!…..MOLON LABE !

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          The biggest problem for most of us will be our own local busybodies who WILL in fact be after any extra cans of soup, “for the children”.

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          • REB says:

            Thats where the old SSS comes in…shoot shovel and shut up…I dont want to hurt anyone… but traitors thugs enforcers and snitches will find a hole waiting for them…if you get my drift…might even make em dig it themselves…

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        • Red Leader says:

          OQ, very good points. One of my best friends who I have worked on told me, “If my kid was dying of hunger, I would kill you to get your food. Nothing personal.”

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          • GSM1(SW) says:

            Manned And READY!

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          • kevin says:

            Red leader- When I read this, I was wonderin what your responce was. I thought of the old saying-”now that you got the easy part out of the way(SAYING IT),do the hard part right now(doin it)!

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            I’m afraid he’d no longer be my “best friend”!! AND I’d make sure when the SHTF…I’d be at a bugout place that the so called friend doesn’t know a thing about! Just sayin’!

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          • REB says:

            “THIS” is the reason I have stuff stashed that “NO ONE” else on planet Earth knows about…NO ONE!

            Should this become a reality I will burn this farm to the ground along with anything I cant carry away…the springs I cant do much with but the wells…NO ONE will be drinking out of them and walking away…grain/livestock and equiptment will be useless inside of an hour…all theyll get is “scorched earth” when this hillbilly vacates…like I said Ive enough goodies stashed offsite(way offsite) that I can head out for to get stocked up for the “Indian gerrilla war” that will follow such actions pronto,not a brag,just the facts…they can do by force and edict whatever they choose..we disposed freemen/women can then be free to burn them to the ground…they want to play hardball then we can make them wish theyd never been borned!

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            kevin has a good point.

            The best response I can think of would be along the lines of… “I understand completely, but I doubt that you’d live for very long if you tried it. You might be better off instead getting some skills and supplies to insure that you never find yourself in that situation.”

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        • old soldier says:

          OQ: You couldn’t have said it better. Showing off your stocks is just asking for trouble. As far as blowing the bridges, most military units have mobile bridges and most of their vehicles can ford streams or use of a Chinook Helicopter (used in Battle: Los Angeles) to ferry troops and equipment across. Another resource the govt has, most people overlook and don’t even know exist, is the State Defense Force. They are apart from the National Gd and are controlled by the governor.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            I agree perfectly. There are bridging units and helicopters. The only questions attached to them are these:

            * are there any helos nearby, and how much fuel would they eat?
            * can they cross a dead bridge 200′ long and 150-200′ above a steep ravine?
            * given the mountainous terrain I live in, landslides are quite common anyway, and can take days to clear out, even with specialized equipment. Imagine having to clear one out every two miles…

            All said, it is certainly possible, and with enough effort and time, for those obstacles to be cleared. The question however is this: is it worth doing so? Would there be enough resources at the finish line to be worth the massive resources spent getting to it?

            I contend that the answer would be a firm, flat, “no”. The reasons why are pretty simple:

            * there are no resources here worth the massive investment in fuel, firepower, and time-based (food, water, warmth, etc) to be considered sufficient.

            * in a situation of collapse, scarcity means that you conserve what you have, else you’re either going to starve/thirst/freeze to death, or be easy pickings for anyone else who is in better shape than you. This goes for armies as well as individuals. Further this means that the unit in question will have to really question whether or not to spend the time and treasure getting here, or if easier pickings can be had elsewhere, closer by.

            This is where the whole cost/benefit analysis comes in that I mentioned :).

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        • SmokyMtnLady says:

          +1 Odd Questioner!!! I’ve said that all along about those prepper shows!! Are they crazy???

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        • Cinderella Man says:

          Thats why I call them the “Dumbsday Preppers” theyre frickin idiots for showing off all their guns and food and shit! WTF are they thinking? They must have shit for brains if they think the DHS isnt flagging their ass after the show airs.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Perfect example of “Dumbsday Preppers”: Did anyone see the episode of the lady living in Salt Lake City? She’s worried about a government takeover, so she gets an apartment directly across from the SLC statehouse, and then she enlists the help of a former sniper to help her train in firearms. Do you think DHS would be concerned? WTF was she thinking when she decided to go on the show? She probably has surveillance 24/7 on her house and is probably watched by multiple agencies. Stupid idiot!

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            @Anon:

            I kind of wondered at that one myself. And forget the state building – she’s living way too deep in an urban area to be waving around all those stores, statehouse be damned.

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          • John W. says:

            I would expect that this show is meant to make preppers look like dangerous loons. All the easier to deal with them if everyone thinks they are nuts. Especially showing off the gun parts. Are these people really preppers or just role players?

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        • sardonic laughter says:

          You can run but you cannot hide. This has nothing to do with resources it has to with “Control”. They will raid your small town with helicopters and special forces simply to show you They are in control! Do you really think that your going to “wait this out”? You must become the example to the rest who would run and hide. Police and military will simply be told that you are religious expremists that are raping and abusing your children. They connot have people that are self sufficient. Hell, alot of the “food shortages” will probably be contrived simply to gain control.
          we simply all stand together or we all hang individually.

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          • Joe says:

            No they wont. The feds hardly seize anything even today. Most of the seizing is done by the local PD who of course share a percentage of the profits. All completly legal. Yes, you have the right to sue them to get your property back. But you never do.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            Sorry, but the numbers won’t add up. Who on Earth is going to blow the massive amount of fuel and firepower required to do it?

            Even governments have to set ego aside when the stark reality of conservation hangs over their heads. This is doubly true when there’s no strategic or tactical value in going through all the effort, time, and trouble.

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          • angrycitizen says:

            I don’t think the gov’t needs to suppress all independent people or crush all resistance with brute force.

            All they need to do is make an example of someone (or two, or three), and make that public (there will be no alternative media), and most of the rest will bow down.

            This happened before throughout history, and it will happen again.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            @angrycitizen:

            You’re right indeed. On the other hand, it all depends on the situation. If we block off the town during a general collapse, the government will be way too busy to even notice, let alone care. If it’s done in response to a reaction against an increasingly and obviously fascist government, then the best tactic would be to do it quietly – to slowly shut things down, make it look like natural events.

            The primary reason for isolation isn’t the government, though – it’s to block off the hordes of humanity that will certainly come out of Portland and Salem. The governments (state and federal) will have a much, much bigger problem on their hands, what with rounding up ~2.5 million fleeing people scattered across the countryside (2m from PDX metro, 0.5m from Salem metro). That task would be a lot more important to them than in starting a dick-waving contest against a small town in BFE.

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          • Wayne says:

            I agree with the all stand together,but, how do we get all together? That simply can’t happen without a whole lot of planning and communication which would cause a red flag to pop up and we would be shut down before we could get started. Best we can do is group together in small groups and stand as long as we can. Sounds bad,but,the only other thing we can hope to do is make those attacking us realize we are all friends and relation and not to harm our own, look at those who are giving the orders and realize this is and order not to obey. Would our troops join with foreign troops to harm and kill American people?

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        • Patriot One says:

          To everyone in this string. Most of my family is federal agents, military, police or veterans, there of. Not a one will disarm a law abiding citizen.

          Here is something else to think about. If we have a collapse, especially a financial collapse, bankers, crony capitalist, wall streeters and government officials we be on the most wanted list.

          We are gonna need a big deck of cards.

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          • asil says:

            Patriot #1
            I pray you are correct-
            As for Cards,
            Spite&Malice(aka)”S— on
            Your Partner” is an Awesome
            Game:)
            Kinda like Solitaire,only with People!

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          • asil says:

            Oh, almost forgot,
            You need 2 decks of cards

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          • Stan522 says:

            During Katrina the state disarmed many, many citizens. How many of them stated the same as your family members up until they got the orders to confiscate weapons from law abiding 2nd Amendment gun living Americans…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE

            I hear you and I hope you are correct, but history tells us different.

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          • Prepared Soccer Mom says:

            Patriot One, I’m married to a Special Forces Soldier, and he feels the same way. 99% of our soldiers, fed officers and police are not some mindless force that will go after law abiding citizens!! The difference between the US military and other countries is our military are all voluntary! There are bad apples in everything, but most of these men and women are on our side and the last thing they would ever do is shoot on innocent US citizens!

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            Amen…think about it folks. You are a policeman trapped in a job that has been changed by big govt because it is the problem…you need that job to pay your bills…everyone has had a job that sucks…

            Society breaks down…you are a cop, security, whatever…what would you do if your family was in danger and unprotected…stay at your post.

            Not a chance in hell…most are just like you and I.

            Pray for them and they will “protect and serve.”

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          • Patriot,

            What will your “family” do when the “law” is changed to accomodate the “rulers” and makes us all UNABIDING citizens?

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        • Watch and Wait says:

          Regarding the “Third idea” If you’ve already made the stupid mistake of showing off your cache to anyone and everyone, because you couldn’t keep your fat mouth closed, because you and your ego are too stupid to be quiet. Then here’s an idea:

          1. Make the cache you have, a dummy cache. One that’s visible and known to other individuals that you stupidly told about already. If you have 20 buckets of beans and rice, then remove the contents from 19 of the buckets to a new safer location (leaving the empty buckets in plain veiw where people already know they are and fill them full of dirt. The 20th bucket (still filled with beans or rice) is the one you always open up to keep showing everyone how stupid you are for showing off your cache to everyone in the first place.

          In the mean time. Build your new cache (or if you have brains, more than one …..) where only you and those who are MEANT to know where it is, can find it!! And remember, if you have all your eggs in one basket and someone finds it, you’re screwed. So have your “eggs” spread out.

          3 month supplies of food in 6 separate caches = 18 months of food. One cache in the basement. Two buried in water tight containers in different parts of the garden (with food growing on top of course!!) Anotherone somewhere else …. You get the idea.

          Point is, if it’s a hassle to you to build several caches of food ect ….. It’s a hassle for others to search and find.

          My worry would be, if the authorities came in and took my livestock!!! Once there gone, they can’t be replaced. So, how do you cache livestock!? And keep them safe from confiscation or worse still …. Extermination!! !The chickens, the pigs and the milk cow??? Bet that’s got people thinking now huh??

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          • Patriot One says:

            Most of us talk more then we should, but the best plans are small community based plans even if its just your street. The draw back is the show and tell. I’m not going to plan with you if you don’t have the stuff.

            One of the problems for most people with the Dummy Cache is they don’t have a secondary physical location. So just moving the real stuff from one closet to the next won’t help much.

            I’m blessed to have caches in 3 different cities and one mobile, but its also a logistics and rotation nightmare.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            Patriot One hit it square on (no, seriously, thumb his ass up to the stratosphere).

            Prepping as a community is necessary, but it’s like dating: You have to show a little to get a little. Okay, bad analogy, but close enough to work. The trick is that you don’t give guided tours of your supplies, but you do let select and trusted people know that you’re preparing, and expect them to reveal enough of the same info to trust them any deeper than that.

            IMHO, the ones who adamantly refuse to prep in your small community (neighborhood, town, whatever) leaves you two options: Come SHTF, you either remove them from the community (by force if necessary), or you stockpile enough extra to keep them alive for long enough to get them up to speed in the foraging/agricultural department.

            It’s a big fat gray area though. That guy may not prep, but may be a damned good doctor. Any Christian knows (or should know) full well about the command for charity. OTOH, the prepper down the street may be a meth addict, or a total nutbag like this guy: http://www.shtfblog.com/chad-person-builds-backyard-bunker-makes-himself-a-target-and-targets-others/

            Each situation will obviously be different, though IMHO I’d rather prep a bit extra for an unprepared doctor down the street, than even think to buddy up with Mr. Person (as mentioned in the article).

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        • HQ5thMar says:

          I was just talking to a military friend of mine who said all the people in his unit say they will not turn on the american public. I then explained how it would go down. That is, the gooberment would tell them “This section of people are rioting and we need to declare martial law and stop the rioting.” Little do the troops know that same order went out to the entire military about diferent parts of the country. They being good military personel would follow orders without question. By the time they realize what they just did the damage would be done. The question is how long before the police, military, and feds find out what is really going on and will it be to late to reverse? He got a scared look on his face, becasue he just woke up.
          As a marine I was tought “instant, willingness, obedience to orders”. You trust in your leaders and just do what you are told. I say I would never turn my gun on the american people, yet my unit was on standby and ready to go into LA at the turn of Y2K to put down riots. Thankfully they never rioted. So I saw first hand how easy it is to get our good ole military or even our boys in blue to turn.

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          • When it happens we can expect about half of the military siding with the people, essentially we will have civil war if and when martial law is declared by this illegitimate and unconstitutional government. The same can be said of law enforcement officers, there will be those who blindly follow orders, then there will be those who take their Oath seriously and defend the Constitution!

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      • Red Leader says:

        With the NDAA, TSA and this, it sounds like they can throw you in jail without charges, and take your stuff, as well as fondle your stuff.

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        • possee says:

          This EO is but a continuance of 3 previous EO’S and modified to include FEMA and DHS…

          EO 12919, issued by President Clinton on June 7, 1994

          EO 13286, issued in 2003 by George W. Bush.

          EO 10789, issued in 1958 by President Eisenhower

          However..given the recent NDAA ..HR347 ..etc..etc

          nothing is off the table with these globalists.

          They are legally lining up all the ducks for the next “event”

          possee

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          • John W. says:

            It is indeed a continuance of existing EOs. However there is a big difference in that this one is written so that an emergency does not have to exist to implement it. It can be implemented done on a whim of the president. that is the bad part. Of course right now we have the most wonderful, moral, pro America president ever who just loves the Constitution. So what could go wrong?

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      • wen says:

        We are really fortunate to have such a forthright and brilliant leader who fully feels that you and I are so stupid and mentally slow as to go along with his goals as easily as the German people die in the 1920′s—the goalas seem very close to the same as the man named the second antichrist.

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        • Peter know says:

          This is nothing more than a continuation of what Bush and the Republicans started during Bush’s reign. You do recall who expanded the govt. and started the DHS. It was Bush and the Republicans.

          In fact, the Republicans abandoned their entire philosophy of smaller govt., no deficit spending and balanced budgets when they had total control of the govt. for 6 years. This cost the American people nearly 5 TRILLION dollars that was of course added to the deficit and put the economy nearly into a depression. You do recall they started two wars, created the Part D prescription drug program that specifically excluded competition, not to mention cut taxes for nearly everyone without paying for any of it.

          If you think the Republicans are any better than the present administration you better get you head out of the clouds or where the sun isn’t shining. The people of this country have been screwed by the politicans of both parties.

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      • jake says:

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        • don't-tread says:

          Jake, You are on the wrong site. You want freakin cu-koo go to Johnathan Turley’s website for liberal extremeist and atheist. Not all, but if you say anything about conservatism or christianity, you can get the dogs to growling. Johnathan, an attorney has never said anything to me about rattling their cages, I do it just to see who will growl the loudest and I do find some very interesting stuff that Johnathan posts.

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    2. Cowboy45 says:

      Had enough, yet?????

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      • Good luck implementing that order at an individual level. The same feds cannot find my neighbors marijuana crop. It is clear they are preparing for something big. Do not let commentaries like this keep you from doing the same.

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        • arcofdoom says:

          You just ghosted you neighbor…

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          • I have no idea what ghosted means, but I do not live at my retreat nor have it in my name. It has no address or even a driveway. I may even used a metaphor.

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          • DomesticTerrorist says:

            Ghosted …. as in, “outing” him?

            I call it “ghosting” when I’m riding my bicycle and I use a vehicle like ideally a truck or something, to ride next to like a pilot fish to get through a tricky intersection or across a tricky road.

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          • NRA Member says:

            Computers have a mac address. Each device is unique. The powers that be can see what sites you go to…cross ref. this to the manufac. who made the device and who it was sold to.

            My latest prep. is moving into new software. I enslaved my employer to my tech. services..then pounded them up the ass for a second raise and title change.

            NWO…you are my bitches! ha

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            @”NRA Member”:

            My Media Access Control Address (that MAC addy you referred to) isn’t anything close to be traceable to those with half a brain, for a few reasons:

            * I can change my MAC addy any time I want (I only need open /etc/network/interfaces and change the “hwaddress” line under the wlan0 stanza, and I’m set. Windows has a similar means to change the addy).

            * A public proxy hides IP address, MAC address, and damned near any other trace of the original source. Just pick one offshore, and you stand a 95% chance of being perfectly untraceable to any government outside of the one from whose country you picked the proxy server.

            * give me a good VPN account or TOR (The Onion Router), and they won’t even see the traffic.

            Long story short? You’re going to have to try harder to scare me than that. ;)

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    3. bucksterln says:

      First! But hey, I’ll trade or barter this position for some silver, gold, lead, or food. Lemme know

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    4. When you believe it’s time to bury your guns it’s actually the time to dig them up.

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      • michelle says:

        good observation!!

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      • VRF says:

        It has been time

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      • Gold Leader says:

        tnmedved….perfectly put. WE KNOW THEY KNOW the plans. It becomes so CRYSTAL CLEAR when we hear Bloody Barack state, “We had no idea it was going to get this bad,” or “We didn’t see this coming.” Or even Bush saying, “We had no no idea they would do this.”

        BUT then both of these presidents have implemented acts like these….why? Because THEY ARE PERFECTLY AWARE of exactly what’s coming and likely WHEN. Dig ‘em up, tnmedved. Light your way.

        Gold Leader standing by.

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    5. just-a-thought says:

      does everyone forget that the idiot who signed this EO is NOT an american citizen, no matter what they claim? we were invaded and taken over — end of story.

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      • yental says:

        If only the reality were that simple. Rather than “end of story” I am more inclined to believe “preface” to the last chapter. The government COUP D’ÉTAT actually occurred prior to Obama’s “selection” to continue it.

        The “eligibility issue” may have very well already become a moot point. Time for a “formal/sanctioned/congressionally supported” investigation has “runout” and is comedically unlikely.

        Can an “executive order” be considered an “unlawful order” when the “executive signatory” is still supported as legitimate by a majority of ignorance? Methinks WE are very near finding out that answer.

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      • ParisHilton says:

        Does anyone here think our gooberment gives a rat’s a** about the law?

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      • HQ5thMar says:

        But he has a birth certificate from Hawaii, lol. I have a birth certificate from Hawaii as do two of my brothers and my dad and my uncles and my grandfather who was born in Hawaii before it was a state. You know what? None of them look like his. Why is that? We have every generation of birth certificates from Hawaii there ever was and none of them look like that. Hmmm….
        They are looking to prior military and preppers for terrorists. They are looking the wrong way. I can point one out, he is in the oval office calling me one.

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    7. Mel Torme says:

      As bad as things are getting on this steep road to totalitarianism, there is one thing that can make American patriots feel better about the upcoming war with the Feds.

      Two words: Affirmative Action

      Yes, something like 40% of the federal beast is composed of those of the darker persuasion, and there is a significant presence of others hired to well-paying government positions due to their various skin colors.

      It’s just something to think about. There are still many bright, albeit evil people at top levels, but the mid levels are composed of semi-morons. That is a big break in our favor, and it should provide us some encouragement in these darkening (no pun there) times.

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        That’s an interesting angle. The idea that the gov’t is composed disproportionately of the less skilled, less able, less intelligent…

        The bias against whites in hiring that we’ve lived under for the last 30 years may actually have turned out to be a good thing.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          NOT such a good thing that many of those folks are SERIOUSLY committed to an AGENDA no matter how badly it works. These are the Communism-hasn’t-worked-because-real-Communism-hasn’t-been-tried-yet crowd. 60 million dead at the hands of Jedo-Bolshevism, 70 million dead at the hands of Maoism, 3 million dead at the hands of the Khmer Rouge—they don’t care. “Real Communism hasn’t been tried yet.” Red Communism, Green [Agenda 21] Communism—it’s all bad for your health.

          The entire state of California is the epitome of what happens when rhetoric and agenda trump reality………………. temporarily.

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        • John Q. Public says:

          typo: Judeo-Bolshevism

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      • lonelonmum says:

        Skilled individuals are NOT government form fillers and pen pushers.

        Take a look at the UK list of skills from WW2 and add a few categories to update the technology.

        If you are a farmer, mechanic, plumber, IT technician or nurse then it’s time to sell up and use your passport. Get out while you still can.

        (The original white settlers did on average only 7 years as indentured servants).

        This is no time for the “race issue” ffs! Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book. This is too serious for petty bigotry. You are now returning to indentured servitude with no hope of manumission.

        March 16 – the day Freedom died in the US.
        This is horrible news.

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        • don't-tread says:

          I agree completely, lonelonmum. It would not matter to me if he were green in color. It would not matter if it were John McCain doing what he has done. It doesn’t even matter that he is just a pawn for TPTB and doing the work of the devil. It matters that he has taken,as an individual, the highest office of the land and used it against it’s own citizens. That’s “TREASON”! Everyone that has lined up with the bastard on this should be hanged for such. Everyone that punches that ticket for him again this fall, has punched a ticket against the “true” Americans of this once great country. It doesn’t matter what their race,creed, or religion is; a vote for the Kenyan, is a vote against Freedom.

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          • Handy says:

            Cowards. Goddamn cowards. It’s sad that you feel it’s your American duty to run away. I say RUN then and get the fuck out of my way. AND you can take all them “thumbs up” with you.

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      • East Coast says:

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        • Mel Torme says:

          Nope, I doubt you’re any kind of aero engineer, East Coast. If you were, that’d be another reason for me to quit flying.

          How dare you assume a race of people are less intelligent “. I’m not assuming anything; I understand stats as well as the next guy.

          Since you admit AA may have helped you get hired (at your Starbucks, was it?), how do you feel about the white guy that was better qualified who had to be turned down for the position. Isn’t discrimination bad? I guess I need to keep up with what’s in and what’s out.

          Tell me the main difference in effect on flight of a swept wing vs. a straight wing, “aero” guy.

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          • East Coast says:

            If I was dumb enough to take a photo of my diploma with my name on it, I would. I will say that I went to NC State University, class of 2010, and I graduated with a major in Aerospace Engineering and a minor in design.

            There are many advantages/disadvantages of the two wing profiles, but the main difference is shock performance for flying at sound speed and beyond. No, I didn’t get that from Wikapedia. We can talk about Boundary Layer Theory if you want. Or better yet, Differential Equations. Maybe the Finite Element Method. Where did you go to school? I graduated from a major research institution. I got grants from NASA for my senior design projects. Oh yea, my best friend, who happens to be black, got a similar NASA grant and works for Eaton corp. My other college buddy just got his doctorate from Cornell free of charge…he’s black too.

            Where do you work? What kind of educational credentials do you have? If a company never knew my race, I’d still get hired there. Like I said, blacks aren’t all what the news channels make us out to be. I would say that I’ll be your boss one day, but you’re probably not qualified to work in my field.

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          • Mel Torme says:

            Sorry, this is for your second comment, EC. There is no active reply button for your 2nd one, so I’ll write here.

            I am glad you didn’t get that info from Wikipedia, because it is not really a good answer. The point of a swept wing is to get an effective longer span for a given actual wing length. This gives you a slower maximum mach number over the span than you would have for the shorter effective span (straight wing). The aircraft speed can be faster while still keeping the max M on the wing below 1. I don’t think shock performance is relevant, as no straight wing fly supersonic to begin with (never seen one).

            Anyway, engineer or not, I’d be glad to know that you know your stuff. This is from your 2nd comment (below): “If a company never knew my race, I’d still get hired there.” If that was the case, then you didn’t need AA, right? That contradicts your first comment above.

            I doubt you’ll be my boss, though, as I’m not in aerospace.

            Just realize, EC, that in governments big and small in this country, but especially FED, AA has gotten a lot of people in who are not bright, and could never handle a real job. The fact that these people are there should give patriots hope, as they do not care a bit about politics, won’t work hard at either good or evil purposes, and will only get hostile when you tell them they can’t leave at 4:30 PM.

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          • The Old Coach says:

            Well, we now know the East Coast is full of it. The swept wing advantage has nothing to do with “shock performance” and transonic speeds. To avoid pages and pages of explanations and math, I’ll just point out that almost all modern transport aircraft all use the swept wing planform but never go near transonic speed.

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          • Mel Torme says:

            oops, embarrassing error. When I said span I meant wing chord. For the swept wing airplane of a given wingspan, it can have a longer effective chord (direction || to relative wind) than a straight-wing airplane with the same wingspan. This keeps the critical Mach # down, which is the highest air speed on top of the wing. It is important that none of the air becomes right near supersonic, as drag increases tremendously near Mach 1.

            Old Coach: exactly.

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        • Mama Bear says:

          LOL! I don’t care what color you are, but anyone who uses grammatical constructions such as “me…am an Aerospace Engineering graduate” and then brags about their intellect “speaking for itself” is manifestly a D-U-M-B-A-S-S.

          Me am a genius, dammit! Me am a rocket scientist!

          ROTFLMAO

          I wonder if I can submit this to Reader’s Digest and make some money off of it. That is some mighty fine humor right there.

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          • I only regret that I have but one thumbs up to give to Mama Bear!!!!

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          • jen10 says:

            EC : In reguards to your comment to Mamabear: “Now get back to Homeschooling your Kids”. I have a thing or two to say about that. The first thing being: BIGOT. You rant about being catagorized for your race and then turn around and slam another person for their gender. The second thing I have to say is :NEANDERTHOL. Specifically for your low brow opinion of Women. I bet in a real life situation, Mr. Aerowhatever engineer, I could run your ass ragged in this game.As an Aside any nosepicker on the planet can get a degree if they sit in a classroom long enough. In the real world, common sense is way more difficult to come by.You could use a refresher course on manners and respect as well.

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          • Mama Bear says:

            Aw, don’t be too hard on him…he did just get home-schooled by Mama Bear. I like this one. He is a fighter and has spirit.

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          • REB says:

            …but MB me am r 2 a genius…me have me papers on me walls that says me is…

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          • don't-tread says:

            You tell him Mama B and Daisy and Jen10. That chip he has on his shoulder has grown into a big locust stump. All race issues aside, a big part of the problem with inequality in America comes from the idea that a framed piece of paper says you can do the job better. Then what really throws a monkey wrench in the process is requiring employers to have a percentage of their employees, “anyone but caucasian”. You then wind up with overpaid idiots, educated beyond their intelligence, making the jobs harder for everyone else.

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      • Tarheelbilly says:

        Where do you get your statistics from? 40% “brown” people working for the govt? According to what/who?

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    8. DomesticTerrorist says:

      Apparently this order has been around since 1950 or so.

      It just keeps getting renewed, like the Patriot Act and all the rest of it.

      The difference now is more fundamental things like the percentage of GDP taken up by government. It’s like a tumor, it only knows how to grow. No one in gov’t starts out to do evil, or intends to do evil, but gov’t just …. grows. And in the process of growth, just like a tumor, takes up more resources and shoves things that are in its way aside. etc.

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      • Kodiak says:

        Yes, but now it’s going “live”. Big difference.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        “No one in gov’t starts out to do evil, or intends to do evil,…”???

        Thumbs down for THAT!

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        • John W. says:

          It’s hard to sell evil. First it has to be dressed up in a nice suit of clothes to look friendly. The evil is then gradually revealed after everyone has bought into it. Joining the Nazi party was like a gang initiation where criminal acts had to be performed to become one of the chosen. Made it hard to back out especially knowing that once in there was no escape.

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    9. Barn Cat says:

      We’ve seen enough from the Obama administration to know that in a national emergency they would ignore the rule of law even more than they do now on a regular basis. The real question is whether they would bother feeding people during a collapse or whether or not they would go after people’s stored food. We got a country of 300 million. If there were 3 million soldiers and national guard during a collapse they’d have their hands full just guarding the transportation of government supplies, the guarding the areas where the rich live, and keeping order in big cities.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        All of the Zionist military might of the USA can’t even control small relatively undeveloped nations. Too, remember what the LAPD did during the riots? They stayed home or barricaded themselves in their precincts.

        Take some little solace in that.

        They will certainly wreak destruction upon us all, but the odds of them controlling us will depend upon our level of cooperation.

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      • Indiana says:

        They will just bring in NATO troops to help manage things.

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      • don't-tread says:

        Barn Cat, You have put everything in the correct perspective regarding the Military personnel that are on USA soil when SHTF. We can even include the enforcement that falls under direction of the DHS. They will be so busy guarding the Country Club neighborhoods,food warehouses,and bulk fuel storage facilities, that it will be a long while befor they filter out into the rural areas to confiscate anything. By that time, there will be so many six-pack Joes on the verge of snapping because their lack of prepping has come full circle and wifey dearest has blamed him for being such a lazy idiot, that he will blow the face off of the first “cop” that comes to bring him more strife. I know local law enforcement has their hands full already and you can tell by the looks of some of their hirees, they are prety damn desperate. Overweight,dumbfounded looks(low IQ) and probably too nervous to hold a gun steady; doesn’t add up to much of a threat for a mentally and physically prepared survivalist. If you live in the downtown area of any city, you might be in trouble if you don’t have an escape plan though. I think our(the rural survivalist) biggest threat will be from foreign troops. If we are faced with that kind of attack, it will be bad. These soldiers will be brainwashed like some of the troops were in Viet Nam. Throw in some of the mind altering drugs and you have the receipe for death in waiting. If a couple hundred of these troops come marching through your area, they will be raping and pillaging, and won’t hesitate to kill anyone who gives resistance. They will be armed to the gills with the latest weaponry and it won’t matter who you are, how many, or how much firepower. Tread’s Plan if this happens at my place. Me and mine will fire all we have got at the longest range possible first; then as they get closer,pistols and shotguns. Each will be instructed to keep a single magnum bullet for themselves, “if they choose”. I for one will not be a tortured slave to anyone! I’m sorry to be so graphic but; it’s time for the warm and fuzzy,politically correct bullshit to be thrown out the window. What will your plan be? Do you have a plan for that kind of a scenario?

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    10. angrycitizen says:

      Funny… This *IS* the end of the world as we know it. Literally.

      End of personal freedom: essentially, we are all slaves now and can be relocated and made to work where the owners tell us to.

      End of private property for us: everything belongs to the slave owners.

      End of the Right To Life.

      I “awakened” a year ago.
      Now, I want to wake up, because I must be living a nightmare. All this stuff just can’t be the reality.

      I know one thing: if they come for my family to take us to a concentration camp, I will die fighting.

      Remember what happened to Jews in Holocaust?..
      They did not resist, and they were exterminated.
      Fuck this shit. I’m not going to be slaughtered like a fucking pig. I will go down as a man: fighting for the people I love.

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      • angrycitizen says:

        Thank you for so many “thumbs-up”.

        ——-

        I have a lo-o-ong history of family being abused by the Government.

        In 1929, my grandmother’s family’s property was confiscated, and her parents were sent to the camp where they were killed by the government.
        A 5 year old girl was out in the street, with nowhere to go and no one to help her.
        Her own older sister, which was married and had a family of her own at the time, was scared to death and refused to take her little sister in… Yes, the times were that bad.
        Eventually, complete strangers picked up the hungry dying child from the street and raised her with their own kids.
        Until her death a few years ago, she considered that family hers, and those children her brothers and sister.

        Like I said: I will not let this happen to my family and my kids, and I will either defend them , or die trying.

        Molon labe!

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        • angrycitizen says:

          Sorry, forgot to mention: this was in Russia (Soviet Union) in 1929.

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        • wanda4089 says:

          When they come for you shoot and ask questions later and don’t let a one of them get away!! They would only come back later with enough power to defeat you. Better to take care of those in small numbers as you can!! Isnt it sad to think we have to live this way and have a mind set to do this type of thing. We too will defend our family and kids to the end!!

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      • Granite Prepper says:

        Amen brother, well said!!

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      • GSM1(SW) says:

        When your right I’m with you, and You’re Right. I intend to go down swinging as well.

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      • US Marines says:

        Hi angrycitizen,

        You are fully correct to be angry,.. in fact outright furious is better,.. but now is the time to stay frosty, and keep your head level and clear.

        Find those neighbors that are awake also, find any x-military guys that maybe in your vicinty.

        When the time comes,.. and it is coming,… you will need to form into small fighting teams.

        Small squad tactics are your best option, hoping you can link up with other Patriot groups in your area as the situation evolves.

        The trick,.. do NOT discuss this via your email, texting, over your phone line, or your cell.

        Everything electronic is already being fully monitored. Just assume you are being fully monitored too.

        When time comes, it will be easier to unify small tacitcal groups than you might think at the moment.

        Try your best to NOT tip your hand to the “Enemy Force In Occupation”, the US Fed. Gov’t.

        The longer your around to prepare, they longer you will have to prepare to fight more effectively.

        Also find local people who have the other critical specialties that will be needed such as: Medical training, Communications, Spec-Ops (find Nam guys), booby traps, aka: IED’s, and so forth.

        Good luck my fellow Patriot.

        JD – USMC – The North-East Alliance

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      • ParisHilton says:

        If you are “conscripted”, even for your skills, you will die wherever you are taken anyway. Your family will be left destitute and defenseless, and they will make sure everyone in the area is aware of that. Whatever government thugs ransack your home and drag you away will be the first to rape your family.

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      • RougeCoyote says:

        I’m Native American, and I’m here to tell you that amongst us indians, whats going on is allot like what my ancestor went threw. There going to use the same ol tactics on you that they used on us. Welcome to the REZ. Hide what you have. And that includes your loved ones. Otherwise your going to get everything you have taken from you and you’ll be given blankets with small pox. ……Time to start the “Ghost Dance”….For some reason that really freaks them out. But seriously, lay low as long as you can, but if/or when they come for your stuff you had better make a stand or your loved ones are going to be the ones that pay with there blood. Like I said….Welcome to the reservation.

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        • don't-tread says:

          Thanks for the good word there RougeCoyote. I am a friend of the Native Americans. I have always known and believed all the American Indians got a raw deal. I’ve seen some of the REZs first hand. I traveled the country for many years and took as many backroads thru the REZs as possible. It saddened my heart to see the amount of poverty and knowing how much the “Fat Cats” in DC and Wallstreet scam and waste away every day. I have donated lots of $$ over the years to “supposedly” help the poor and needy on the REZ. I pray for all the native peoples and hope they can come together when the SHTF.

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        • John W. says:

          No one has been vacinated against smallpox since the seventies when the disease was declared eradicated. It was however but samples were kept in govt. labs for research. Unless you are one of the fortunate who have natural immunity or some residual immunity from vacinations in the fifties through early seventies from childhood shots or as a military person smallpox will wipe out everyone it infects. The original was bad enough but now they have made it even worse if rumors be true.

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          • TurtleMama says:

            It won’t wipe out everyone…smallpox has a mortality rate of only about 30% (unless it’s weaponized). But it would make a good deal of people very sick, and scar most of them. Not a fun illness…but not a death sentence, either.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I always have said that one day we would have done to us what was done to the Native’s. Welcome to the “new America” people. We are in danger.

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      • marie says:

        If they implement this, hopefully, it will spark another Revolution. That is our right against unlawful government.

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      • SimplyAmerican says:

        You really think the end of private property has just begun?!?!? Ever since the people of this land have had a TAX on their property has there been no private property.
        Just look at the usury in buying a home. If the value of house and property is $100,000.00, the tax on said property can very well exceed the actual value of the home and property itself.

        We have the “money-lenders” to thank for that. Jesus, are you coming back soon? We need you.

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        • Legion911 says:

          SimpleAmerican says “Ever since the people of this land have had a TAX on their property has there been no private property.”
          ——————–

          Ever since the people of this land had a tax on their property they are OWNED by the goverment. You don’t own your property: You rent it from the government. Don’t pay your rent & see what happens.

          Real estate taxes are what forces the owner to stay in the cash economy with a job and a taxable income (you can’t pay your taxes in chickens & grain anymore). With real estate taxes we can never be truly free men. We can never get off the treadmill. We can never stop funding the Beast.

          The government needs your money to finance the fascist police state that transfers your money at gunpoint to the big businesses that influence the government to write laws favorable to them and unfavorable to… to… come on, you know who… YOU!

          It needs your money to hire more bureaucrats in order to create more laws and regulations that the average citizen runs afoul of with increasing regularity. The ever increasing number of laws require bureaucrats to administer and more armed goons to enforce, resulting in more arrests, more fines, more civil forfeitures, more incarcerations and every more people under judicial supervision on parole & probation, which most will inevitably violate resulting in more fines and more imprisonment. Rinse & repeat.

          It’s cancer pure & simple.

          If you pay taxes you fund the mechanism of your own oppression.

          / My name is Legion, for we are many. We don not forget, we do not forgive. Expect us/

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          • US Marines says:

            Hi Legion911,

            Excellent Post!

            You are quite right. One of the most on-point observations I have seen about our self-enslavement.

            If we can form a true Patriots Group, which the Federal Criminals (US Fed Gov’t) DOESN’T want,… the first thing to abolish is any form of land taxes,.. period.

            Its only one step in the direction back towards true freedom,.. but its a critical one.

            I support your efforts.

            JD – US Marines – Defenders Of America, Americans & the US Constitution

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      • Nam Marine says:

        SEMPER FI !

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    11. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress says:

      Let them try and confiscate my commodities in return for IOUs. Those that are sent to do so will only receive a healthy dose of Pb. Hopefully I will call it right and be long gone before this is implemented.

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      • In a general way, because I am not trying to learn exactly where you will do…where will you go? Mexico is no option, Canada doubtful, the western US is only partly inhabitable, etc. Are you talking about hiding in plain sight or leaving the country?

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    12. Frosty21 says:

      Hide hide everywhere. Having more than one place is now.I kinda see all the house’s being seached.Nothing safe.C’mon, Being ready for fema and homeland.And the take over of our goverment.By our goverment.Yes some thing has been in the work’s for a long time.The act has been start in the fifty’s. Now it’s nothing like it was like in the fifty’s.The cold war and such.Now it’s really getting crazy.Wake up time this is not a dream.This has been a on going plan.Where are the new’s media on this one haven;t heard a word of this on the social media.Where will you be on that day.Hopefully ready.

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      • cshellz says:

        It will be a trickle down thing. Our local leaders will be raiding where they know they can get enough to take care of themselves and their officers. Stay low and stay off the damn television people! Why advertise?!

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    13. From Senate Report 93-549 – NOVEMBER 19, 1973

      “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency… These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners.

      This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.

      Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may:
      seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens…

      A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency…

      And, in the United States, actions taken by the Government in times of great crises have-from, at least, the Civil War-in important ways, shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency…

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      • ScoutMotto says:

        That national emergency is still on the books. Certain provisions were terminated, while others were left intact. Among those provisions kept in place are anything to do with Federal Reserve notes and that wretched central bank.

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      • REB says:

        …..since the time Lee laid down his sword the fedgov has been busy “reconstructing” America….time to reclaim that sword…time to dig up the tomahawk and see to it there are no more trails of sorrows or shermans marches to the sea….

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    14. kevin says:

      WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS, IT BECOMES NECESSARY FOR ONE PEOPLE TO DESOLVE THE POLITICAL BANDS WHICH HAS CONNECTED THEM WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND TO ASSUME AMONG THE POWERS OF THE EARTH, THE SEPERATE AND EQUAL STATION TO WICH THE LAWS OF NATURE AND NATURES GOD ENTITLE THEM, A DESCENT RESPECT TO THE OPINIONS OF MANKIND REQUIRES THAT THEY SHOULD DECLARE THE CAUSES WICH IMPEL THEM TO THE SEPERATION.

      WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. tHAT TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG MEN, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. tHAT WHEN ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT……………….BUT WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS……….IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT AND TO PROVIDE NEW GUARDS FOR THEIR FUTURE SECURITY.
      SUCH HAS BEEN THE PATIENT SUFURAGE OF THESE states, AND SUCH IS NOW THE NECESSITY WICH CONSTRAINS THEM TO ALTER THEIR FORMER SYSTEMS OF GOVERNMENT. THE HISTORY OF THE PRESENT president of the united states IS A HISTORY OF REPEATED INJURIES AND USURPATIONS, ALL HAVING IN DIRECT OBJECT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ABSOLUTE TYRANNY OVER THESE STATES. TO PROVE THIS LET FACTS BE SUBMITTED TO A CANDID WORLD

      NDAA
      UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE
      A PRIVATELY OWNED CENTRAL BANK,THE FEDERAL RESERVE
      SENATE ELECTED BY POPULAR VOTE
      A LIE TO GO TO WAR-GULF OF TONKIN
      A LIE TO GO TO WAR-THE LOUSITANIA
      A LIE TO GO TO WAR-WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ
      A LIE TO GO TO WAR-HUMANITARIAN BOMBING, KONETIC ACTION
      A LIE TO GO TO WAR-911
      UNCONSTITUTIONAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS
      UNCONSTITUTIONAL SEIZURE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY,WAR ON DRUGS
      30,000,000 PEOPLE IN PRISON

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        Where do you get the figure of 30 million in prison? That would be 10% of the population.

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        • kevin says:

          Ooops my bad. 1 to many zero’s

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          • iowa says:

            You are both wrong. There are 300 million plus prisoners. The country is now officially a prison.

            LOVE YOR GOD WITH ALL YOUR SOUL

            AND YOUR BROTHER AS YOURSELF

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        • CoCoJo says:

          Thirty Million people is just five million more than Ayers said would have to be killed to establish his vision of the new America. Considering the population difference between the 70s and today I would say 30 Million is a conservative figure. As for jailing them. Doubtful. Not enough food. A bullet to the head is cheaper.

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          • ParisHilton says:

            That will surely be the route taken. They would have no interest in feeding anyone deemed of no use to them.

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          • John W. says:

            I have a Vietnamese friend who went through the re education camps and then like many fled as a boat person. One of the best people I have ever known. His observation which has him scared is that the US is going down the same path to a dictatorship he had seen in Vietnam after the communist victory. His comment was that Americans have no idea what it is like to lose their freedom and to be totally at the mercy of others.

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      • JustMe says:

        You left out Project Northwoods, the prototypical false-flag event. Bio-weapons testing, etc, etc, ad-nauseum…

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      • Mr. G says:

        Kevin, have some respect for your comment readers – hit the Caps off while you type. You know you can draw attention to your post with a simple HTML tag?

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      • Patricia Ford says:

        I believe Obama should be impeached. This decree is in violation of the constitution.

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      • REB says:

        and a hearty AMEN to that Kevin!!!

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    15. EastTenn says:

      If they implement this on a large scale all at once cival war would soon follow. I see them implemented this on a small scale to see how the public takes it. Once this becomes the norm, they will go full bore. Considering that the vast majority of Americans live in cities, they would probaly be happy that they will get thier needs met since they will not have thier property stolen from them. Soon and very soon, I feel that SHTF could very easily happen. The election is getting to close. Lock and load baby and don’t shoot until you see the color of thier eyes.

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      • Eagle 71 says:

        Agree EastTenn. The “frog in a pot of water” example comes to mind. Right now the water is lukewarm, but TPTB are about to turn up the flame. Those that aren’t prepared yet will become supper for those controlling the heat to the pot.

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          On a world level, it appears the banksters are trying out the Greeks first, trying to punish them with hunger and disease, and I have a feeling they’re making sure plenty of drugs like heroin get into Greece as well. Just to see what happens.

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          • The Old Coach says:

            I’d be better able to feel sorry for the Greeks if they had a viable economy and hadn’t set up a system where they lived on the dole for so many years. For having become a nation of welfare queens, they deserve whatever happens when the checks start to bounce. Sorry Manos, but there it is. . . .

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      • 1984MSGT says:

        EastTenn,
        The slow implementation of what is being discussed will not create much attention in the news. If done properly, only those like ourselves will be aware of the continued strangle hold upon American Freedoms.

        Things like this is what caused the last civil war. Will it again? I don’t know.

        You can bet you life you will be singled out and attacked by the very people who were sworn to protect you. Be mobile. Be fierce. Travel away from population centers.

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    16. Yeah, good luck with this bullshit. How many prepared people are just going to bend the fuck over and say, “yesh me lord, you can takes all me shit.”, I think not too many. Fuck this bill, fuck these assholes and fuck them trying to confiscate me, my family or my property.

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      • Legion911 says:

        Joe, if you are paying taxes you are paying the salaries of the bureaucrats who run the system you reject as well as the slaries of the enforcers with badges and guns who will take you away if you break their rules and shoot you if you resist.

        So my question to you is: Why do you pay their salaries? Why do you fund you rown enslavement?

        Doing your part in resisiting this nightmare is (at least) not funding the beast.

        /My name is Legion, for we are many. We do not forget, we do not forgive, Expect us/

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        • ThePresticle1 says:

          @Legion; Ease up, dude. Most of DO have to work for a living, therefore it is inescapable that we pay taxes. And of course those taxes pay for our current nazi’s in power.

          Stay alert, stay alive.
          Adapt and overcome.

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        • loud & clear says:

          I agree with everything Joe Republic says. I’m praying he’s my neighbor. We will stand next to him and keep what is rightfully ours. We know longer have a goverment. We are not slaves, we are free and plan on staying so.

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        • Anonymous says:

          How do you expect those of us who have to work for a living NOT to pay our taxes????????

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    17. TheGuy says:

      Big fucking surprise.

      This is why I didn’t throw myself into debt buying farmland. It was obvious this would happen.

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      • I really wanted some more tillable acres myself, but did not want to borrow to get them. Hopefully, I can pick up a few with an old house now that all these foreclosures are going through. I have mutual aid agreements with people who have farm land, but would like to have at least enough to feed my famlily.

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        • TheGuy says:

          They have sattelites.

          They can see you picking your nose. Or read your license plate.

          They also have aerial drones with fucking missiles.

          If they want your land they shall have it. A few camo nets and a Mossberg ain’t gonna even slow them down.

          We need a better plan.

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    18. manos says:

      ….ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ…..

      COME AND GET THEM BITCHES :-)

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      • Cntct 71M says:

        Manos: AWESOME, Molon A. decals everywhere here, even on my beer fridge.

        Sparta is on your terra firma, yes? Brave King at that time. Wish we had leaders in USA with even 5% the courage & sense. to do what is best for the citizens and nation.

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      • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress says:

        I ordered a Molon Labe sticker for my welding helmet the other day. I was pleasantly surprised when it came to me inside an envelope with a Greek postage stamp on the outside! Although I like the story of Thermopylae, I like even better the battle of Plataea.

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      • kevin says:

        Manos- I heard non-government employees in greece have taken a 20% “pay cut”(taxes). Is that true? Can you tell us whats going on there!!

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        • manos says:

          Kevin,

          My salary in a private business, was decreased by 28% in December, and now i expect another 22%.
          The excuse is that Greece must be competitive, for development purposes.
          My opinion is that they want low salaries, for the German energy companies, and the Chinese factories and harbors.

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          • kevin says:

            Manos-WOW! I know the feeling, a few years back I experienced the same type of cut(7 days perdiem@$125 a day and from 60 hours to 40= 50% take home pay cut). I am(and others here) are concerned for your, and greeces well being. I asked that question because I heard the businesses in greece were paying the money they stopped paying to workers, to the government in taxes!! Do you know if thats the case???

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    19. Ohcumgache says:

      Force, no matter how concealed, begets resistance. – Lakota

      The steps that have been taken, one by one, are almost at the end of the dreaded path. It is time for us all to become warriors and prepare to fight for what is ours. Defend our place on this earth and never give up, never give in. Live and die with honor. These are tumultuous times that we are living in and it is our job to right this terrible wrong.
      We must not only protect our own piece of earth, but also our children. Young men who are nearing the age of adulthood; my heart fears for them more than anything.

      How can this be real? I never thought it would be until today. There is no more denying, it is time to put on our war paint.

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    20. JustMe says:

      Another Friday-afternoon non-news worthy event, eh?…EO number, please?

      “The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.” -Karl Marx

      They seem to have covered almost all the bases with this one. You can be stripped of everything, impressed into slavery, and/or murdered on the whim of parasites.

      This is not a drill…

      But, hey…American Idol, and stupid games are still on TV, and you can still eat all the Soma you can stand.

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      • angrycitizen says:

        I don’t know what I would’ve paid for reliable statistics on how many people are awakened… Just to be able to sleep better at night…

        I’ve seen some [apparent] survivalists on a hiking trail here in Issaquah, WA, but I don’t know anyone personally.

        One thing for certain: there are A LOT of people in America who would not stand and watch their families being enslaved, no matter the official reasoning (war, terrorist attack, natural disaster, etc.).

        Katrina awakened many people, and we are not giving up our guns without a fight.

        It might seem that I am alone, but I am sure there’s a good chance that I’ll be surprised when one neighbor or another starts shooting back, and then all hell breaks loose. It won’t take long to organize after that.

        Besides, there are a lot of people in the military who know what’s what in this fucked up world, and when the real shit hits the fan and they get an order to detain or shoot at civilians, I’m sure they’ll know what they’ll have to do.

        A big fire usually starts with a small spark.

        I strongly believe – without any real numbers to support this belief – that the government is freaking out exactly for the reason I’m hoping for: because they see that they passed the “point of no return”, and there is no way to keep fucking up this whole planet without being resistance and… wait for it… *retaliation*!

        There’s only so much that people can tolerate, and then it’s like an avalanche.

        There is only one thing that I am really worried about that the Global Government is going to do if they see they’ve got nothing to lose: release of a deadly virus and start of a global pandemic.
        …but then again: I’ve got gas masks for the family.


        There is always hope. Our revolution will be extremely violent and many people will die. But we will prevail. Do not lose HOPE!

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    21. Its all gonna hit the fan says:

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    22. Survivor in waiting says:

      Im just curious, if they confiscate our stuff do they make the payments to the bank also? Seems to me the international bankers may be in for a screwing, in the event of an emergency. As for confiscating me and my labor, let em try.

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    23. TurtleMama says:

      The Executive Orders that Obama keeps signing during his administration remind me of a cancer…each one is a dangerous mutation away from the Constitution, and they keep multiplying over and over — and soon, this cancer will have killed the liberty of the citizens of the United States.

      When will it be enough? When will the American populace — as a whole, or at least as a MAJORITY — wake up, realize that they are being bled dry, and finally let them know that we have had enough???? Is it just me, or does this EO set Obama up with the powers of a dictator…even more so than the NDAA? UGH!!!!!

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    24. don't-tread says:

      The sad thing about all this, is the fact that the majority of sheeples will just go on like it “really doesn’t mean anything” and “our beloved big smiling prez will take care of us little peeps”. Bull ca-ca! All you Idiots and Ostriches that cast a vote for Obama,again, will get nothing but a bad deal, if and when the USA goes into marshal law mode. Now, I’m not saying it would be much different under Romney or Neuter Grinch, but at least we wouldn’t have to see his ugly ass on our tv screens. Where do the local law enforcement come into play in all this? Does anybody have any inside info about what kind of groundwork is expected from the local authorities? I can’t say for sure, but I’ve heard there are so many for each county hired under the idea that they will operate under cover as “drug/ATF enforcement, receiving paychecks as we speak, and then magically appear to do the bidding of the gov. when SHTF and marshal law is invoked. It sure seems strange that there are a lot of young to middle-aged men doing a whole lot of nothing but riding around in nice vehicles. TPTB would have to have a large force of recruits to put all grocery/food processors under jurisdiction and protection from the masses. Are they already on the DHS payroll? I bet Janet (dungbeetle) napolio, has the answers.

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      • slingshot says:

        I talked to a LEO today and discussed different scenarios should there be a breakdown. They will try to keep law and order but should they become overwhelmed, it’s everyone for themselves. Most LEO’s will leave and defend their home and family. He did say he had the power to REJECT FEDERAL ORDERS. He also said that the criminal portion of our nation will do things when Law Enforcement leaves. We have to be careful not to shoot law abidding people out of fear. The fact is we will not know till we are in an event that calls for deadly force and there are to many variables to consider for a straight answer. They do not like Federal crap stuffed down their throats either. He would like to have the local populace back local law enforcement and stay away from Federal.

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        • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

          Every Single Police Department / Sheriff’s Department in AmeriKa who accepted delivery of a GRIZZLY or BEAR Armored Police Tank is under the DHS FEMA Full Control! Bought and Bribed! Trust them NOT!

          Beware any foods, water, medical offered to the General public from this point forward! For it’s most likely Poisoned!

          UN Agenda 21 is Here!

          FIGHT the POWER!

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          • JayJay says:

            Ya know, that is a great point.
            When this collapse happens, what better way to eliminate the elderly, young babies, and those dependent on the govt than to poison them with handouts and then yell…ooh, flu pandemic, come get your vaccine(which could eliminate even more??)!

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        • The Old Coach says:

          I wish I could believe you, but my social contacts with professional LEOs has left me with the feeling that they are little better than postal workers – too weak, lazy, or dumb to get a real job, so they join the Government in a job that is one step above being on the dole. Altruism is a word they do not know, nor would they understand it if it were explained to them. They’ll do what their minders tell them to do, so long as the paychecks keep flowing. After that they will join the population of thieves and thugs who are already among their closest friends.

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    25. kevin says:

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    26. slingshot says:

      I could not finish reading the whole article. I am at a loss for words only that our government has demanded we give everything to the state. The unthinkable has now become reality and what we have suspected is the tip of the iceberg. I believe that something bad is over the horizon. We have all been demonised as traitors, cowards, terroists and unpatriotic. We were given false statistics of unemploment, housing, financial stability and inflation. Having built their house of cards on lies, how could we believe them any further.
      I will read all your comments. Can we rationalise this away? I’m in disbelief.

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      • JustMe says:

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      • Bill says:

        Another slap in the face for us all. But still, nothing we can do about it…. It’s pretty screwed up for anyone that cares about Freedom. Pray that the sonofaforeignbitch goes away this fall.

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      • don't-tread says:

        slingshot, if you think this is bad; and you really want to get your weenie waxed (whatever that means), and your flit shipped or put your bowels in an uproar, just read: “Family of Secrets” subtitled “The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government, And the Hidden History of The Last Fifty Years”. It is written by Russ Baker, an investigative journalist formerly of the New York Times. His excellent website is: http://whowhatwhy.com/. This is about how deep evil runs amuck in our government. It is just a speck of truth about what has been going on behind the scenes with TPTB. I’ve read about it for years thru a friend of mine that is a retired Air Force man an served in Nam. Who really killed the Kennedys and took away hope for a country and possibly the world. I’m definetely no dam-o-crat, but I would rather see a Kennedy in the Whitehouse than a Muslim/Kenyan!

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      • TurtleMama says:

        It cannot be rationalized. It MUST not be accepted. But until the majority of the population stops watching “Dancing With the Stars” and “Jerseylicious” long enough to wake up and realize what the hell is going on, BO is just going to keep signing these EOs and chiseling away our Constitutional freedoms. Ticks me off.

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    27. nunya says:

      In an economic melt down they will want your PM’s in exchange for a piece of paper. Then resell it on the market, to cover their butts.. And “spread the wealth”

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Or as economists put it, they will confiscate the savings of the entire country to fix the hole in their balance sheets. This will be the kiss of death to the economy at large. But they don’t care. It’s all about them.

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        • angrycitizen says:

          Right.

          I’ve just read the “The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse” book.

          The same thing, although on a smaller scale, happened in Russia just a bit more than 20 years ago (basically, “yesterday”):
          the government froze all accounts and only allowed a small sum of money to withdrawn for a period of time.
          At the same time, they unleashed hyperinflation, and let the whole thing slide…

          When this started, I had 50% of the amount of money to buy a car on my account (after my father sold his car and split the money into my and my sister’s accounts).

          When this shit ended, and the gov’t allowed people to freely use their bank accounts again, the amount of money on my account was worth the price of 4 pounds (2 kilograms) of regular (cheap) cheese.

          They did not come with the guns.
          They just stole the money.

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    28. Anonymous says:

      I don’t even realize it yet. I’m out at sea.

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      • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

        Hopefully your not on the Air Craft Carrier USS ENTERPRISE!

        If so you might wanna Abandon Ship NOW in one of the Life Boats while you still have your Life!

        Zionist Israeli Jew Mossad Agents have Targeted the USS ENTERPRISE for a CIA Mossad FED FALSE FLAG Attack… Just as Israel Intentionally Attacked Destroyed the USS LIBERTY in the Mediterranean!

        To Start Another Illegal War in the Middle East!

        MUTINY on the USS ENTERPRISE! Might be a Good Idea!

        Bring Her Home Intact! All Crew Alive!

        Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear.

        M.T.

        ~NinaO

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        • slingshot says:

          I am usually tolerant of comments on any subject but you are definately talking out your arse. To suggest a mutiny abourd any US ship even with the best intentions is very distasteful. It brings dishonor upon all its crew and the ships and men gone before them with the same name. No Captain would ever put his ship in harms way except to win a battle or rescue. These men and women of the Navy risks their lives just going aboard that machine and I doubt you have any comprehendsion of the functions and how many functions go on 24/7 365 days a year. I have been aboard one and have worked the flight deck at night and to say these men should do such a thing.
          I am really angry at you. They are not cowards!

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          • Gods Creation says:

            Maybe they are not cowards, but the are participants in the war against the American People, which to me makes them far worse.

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          • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

            @slingshot … They are IMF NWO CFR Tool’s of DEATH! Their is NO HONOR Here!!! NONE! FIGHTING AN ILLEGAL ZIONIST-FASCIST Controlled DIRECTED WAR! BY ORDER OF A ILLEGAL ZIONIST CIA PUPPET PRESIDENT!

            OPEN Your Mind! Open your Eye’s ya Fool! Haven’t you learned this yet by reading the Posts here at SHTFPLAN!

            The Most Heroic Act any Member of the US Military Could Do at this Very Moment of their LIVES! Is too Commit Mutiny , Go AWOL and return to their HOME PORTS! Return to their WIVES GIRLFRIENDS and CHILDREN! To PROTECT THEM FROM our ILLEGAL PUPPET PRESIDENT and the IMF NWO CFR U.N.!!!

            Same go’s for ALL U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL in All Branches of Service! Come HOME! Come Home to ENSLAVED America! We Need YOU All NOW!!! Help us FREE America from the ILLEGAL ZIONIST MARXIST-FASCIST U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

            HELP US ARREST the Zionist Illegal-Alien CIA Puppet Illegal President, Vice President and Criminal Congress!

            Help us STOP the IMF NWO CFR ILLEGAL CIA WARS!

            HELP Us Restore The U.S. Constitution and the FREE Republic Of America!

            You are NOT Serving AMERICA Land of the Free, YOU ALL EVERY SINGLE U.S. Service Military Member are goyim soldier slaves of…

            The Debt Enslaved United Socialistic States of Fascist AmeriKa!

            You are Helping the IMF NWO CFR U.N. Globalist Bankers DESTROY the known FREE WORLD!

            RESIST the NWO ELITIST’s, MUTINY U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL, COME HOME! YOU ALL WILL BE EMBRACED AS HERO”S!!!

            The “Enemy” is not in the MIDDLE EAST! The “Enemy” of FREE AMERICAN’s is here in the USA, living enslaving bribing stealing poisoning on Capital Hill Washington DC and Robbing you ALL Blind from corrupt thieving WALL STREET NY!

            Henry Kissinger: “Soldiers Are Dumb, Stupid Animals to Be Used as Pawns in Foreign Policy.”

            the u.s. military is intentionally poisoning you all with poisoned eugenics cancer shots… the u.s. veterans administration is intentionally poisoning you all with made in israel eugenics death shots and pills!

            WAKE UP SEE THE TRUTH! REBEL! FIGHT THE CAUSE not the SYMPTOM! DESTROY THE IMF NWO CFR GLOBALISTS!

            ~NinaO

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          • Shirley says:

            Turning one, spinning to cat two, crossing the JBD, hands up, final checkers/pulling pins, OK weight board, mil pwr, there’s the squat, salute, touching the deck, one potato-two potato, pushing the button, cats good, postive rate of climb, gear up, clear right, angels two, good mode III, switching to button 3.

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          • anonymous says:

            Even you are more intelligent than the sheeple GC but that makes you far more dangerous in the bell curve. All were created equal but you should quit fondling yourself.

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          • Nam Marine says:

            The United States Navy is the finest Naval Service on the
            face of the Earth!……………………SEMPER FI !

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        • YOU’RE A FUCKING IDIOT

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    29. Hoody says:

      Democracy… is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
      Liberty… is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
      ~Benjamin Franklin

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    30. Elk Man says:

      ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Come and take them, cause it isn’t going to be easy to take down this nation.

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    31. Kevin2 says:

      This could only be implemented with a more or less willing public that is more frightened by some event then a governmental confiscation of everything. This event may be staged, man made or natural but it’s obviously predictable.

      Someone knows something.

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    32. SilverFox says:

      Mac. You used the word “Seize” in the title. We should say the government will “Steal” these things from us. Thank you for all your work.

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    33. Perspective says:

      I am not sure if anyone has taken the time to consider that yes this bill is atrocious but it has just a revised version of what been on the books since reagan…

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    34. SWIFT says:

      Even if Obama declared martial law, who would obey him? He has, in less than three years, made enemies ( via betrayal) even in his own camp. When it comes to confiscation, like farms and food, that food will not be for the unwashed masses. It will be a re-distribution to the ruling elite who grow nothing. Anyone who comes to confiscate my property will be considered a thief and shot! There is no provision for payment of confiscated goods. They’ll just take it, or at least the remnant will.

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        If Obama declared martial law then “Katy bar the door” as they say, the Revolution will be on.

        I say this because there are wildly differing feelings about Obama. My nonwhite friends actually all think he’s great. I’m not joking. Meanwhile you’d have to have your head in the sand to not know how most, Joe Sixpack type whites feel about him. I think there are a few liberals who think he’s swell, but mostly, there’s a dislike of him that’s palpable and make no mistake, it’s because he’s “black”. (Me, personally, as a person I’m sure he’s a swell guy to drink a beer with, as a President he’s a figurehead and no better or worse than any of the other choices we had.)

        Thus, if Obama did something as drastic as declaring martial law nationwide, I think there would be widespread disobedience and there would be a lot of fighting, along racial lines. And I mean, white soldiers and guardsmen perhaps going AWOL to help their own, blacks deciding to “take the law into their own hands”, blah, blah, BLAH. It would end up a big clusterfuck.

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        • countryboyseein says:

          DT I happen to be one of those joe six pack types, and I live in Springfield MO, one of the whitest cities in the country… and my disdain with Obama has nothing to do with the fact that he’s black, it has everything to do with him being a useless piece of sh#t.

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          • DomesticTerrorist says:

            I understand, but there *is* a lot of “racial rancor” out there.

            Would you feel the same about McCain if he’d won? I’d like to think the answer would be Yes, but would you?

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          • RICH99 says:

            Even more so times ten!

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          • John W. says:

            I only dislike the white half of him. Now I am not a racist and all the weak sisters can kiss my butt. Any person that voted against the Born Alive Law is not a human.

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        • JustMe says:

          This is exactly the thing Thomas Chittum wrote about in “Civil War 2″.

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        • Merree says:

          If Obama were to declare martial law, it would only be after a false flag event that would shift public opinion. In my estimate, at least one third of the population (if not more) would fall in line behind him- remember what has happened with other occasions in the past? Also look at the approval numbers that Obama is currently getting in the opinion polls.
          Another third would be indifferent. All they would care about is their daily lives and finding ways to survive. These are the people who are just hoping it will all go away and return to normal. Also the people finding drugs or other means to zone out.
          That would leave the rest of us. A group that would be scattered, uncertain of who to trust, and unsure of what to do. Indeed, this would be a major challenge.
          Has anyone considered how easy it will be to determine who has food supplies? Allow the population to starve for three or four months. If you haven’t lost weight and you’re not one of the well fed elite, then it will be time for them to locate your supplies.

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          • ThePresticle1 says:

            PLEASE remember folks- look it up- an average of 32 MILLION people every week choose to watch “American Idol”.
            Make of that what you will, but I believe the stupid outnumbers the smart.

            But the stupid will be the ones begging to get into the FEMA camps after DHS starts playing flashy TV commercials after SHTF (if power is still on) and will gladly sell out their neighbor who is “crazy” and “has a gun”.

            Know thy neighbor.
            Most of them will straight up fuck you.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        SWIFT

        Some event that would frighten the body politic into compliance would have to proceed martial law for them to pull it off. Just looking at the global power grab for resources and the utter disregard for congressional approval to use military forces that previously did not occur tells me something is up. Whatever it is (natural, man made, economic or otherwise) would have to be big to make the majority go along.

        Whatever it is the power elite are in a rush. Because of that I suspect it’s somewhat soon (not decades away) and very very disruptive; actually downright ugly.

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      • JayJay says:

        When confiscation of any ‘food’ takes place, there WILL be a warning.
        Wanta bet there’s a lot of rat poison in those barns that COULD end up in those silos?? In those grainery trucks??
        I can not be the only ‘bitch’ with an attitude on this forum.
        Hey, if we’re gonna die, let’s level the playing field.

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        • angrycitizen says:

          OMG, JayJay, you are awesome!!!

          The idea of sabotage never crossed my mind…

          In fact, there’s also guerrilla warfare and other fun to do.

          No striped robe or a number on the wrist for me.

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        • Gunsmith says:

          ~JayJay~

          I SALUTE YOU!!!

          Never lose sight of that fierceness…that fire…that desire to payback evil…ten-fold!!!!!

          ….damn, you’d make a fine warrior!!! Your other half is one lucky SOB! Kudos to you…….!!!!

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    35. Anonymous says:

      This is your National Emergency Broadcasting System. We break into your regular scheduled soap opera to inform you that the Ho-Ho is scheduled for an emergency broadcast at 3PM. If this was a test we would have already stated it. This is not a test. Stay tuned while the Ho-ho reviews his teleprompter. Missile’s inbound in T-minus 3 minutes. This outgoing msg is 4 minutes time late. Go for throttle up.

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    37. Sid Davis says:

      If they successfully seize farms then the public will starve to death. There is ample evidence that government controlled farms lead to starvation; just look at the collective farms in the former USSR which before the government took over were highly productive, but after the take over could not produce enough to feed their nation.

      Being a cattle rancher, surrounded by many other cattle ranches, I believe you will find armed resistance to any attempts to confiscate our cattle or ranches. If people everywhere resist just like our Forefathers did in 1775, I think we can make it impossible for Obama or any of his successors or cronies to be successful. All we need to do is make it too expensive for them to take what is not theirs. We have the numbers, and as suggested by the support Ron Paul gets from the military, liberty has allies there too.

      All it will take is the courage to resist and an “incident” where a small group stands up and others, instead of just watching on TV spring into action themselves. If you have ever watched a chain reaction demonstration with ping-pong balls you know what I am talking about.

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    38. Patriot One says:

      Oh well once I’m out of ammo my gun is only a really expensive club. All kidding aside this is a very dangerous move he is making.

      The fact is though, that even in a relatively disarmed city like NYC, I doubt they could control it. While they may be able to control a smaller city like DC they couldn’t hold it for very long before the natives got restless.

      After the shock of the whole thing lines would be drawn and the whole thing will be pretty conventional.

      Here is their biggest problem. They are represented by the 50% of the population that doesn’t want to work for a living. How do you think the PTB are going to get them to farm and fight for a living?

      Logistically the government will fail because they make and produce nothing. Once PresBRO realizes a speech won’t produce a meal or ammo, he will begin to understand what a siege is.

      The American spirit can not be defeated, even by the American government. We may have to lock and load. We may have to water the tree of Liberty with blood again, but tyranny will be defeated.

      Its a sad day for America and The Constitution. By the way has anyone seen congress??

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      • Gods Creation says:

        I took a dump earlier and thought I saw it.

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      • Paranoid says:

        you use a term in your statement. “Out of AMMO’; sorry it does not compute. How does it happen? ammo is like air’ it’s not something one can run out of, I mean Yeah there is ALL you can Carry, and I’m out of 600 Nitro Express for my Elephant Gun. But out of AMMO can’t possibly be; This is America, We NEVER run out of AMMO. If nothing else, thanks to our President, fine man that he is. We have sold Billions of rds more than usual in the last 3years.

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        • Patriot One says:

          I can only afford so much ammo. My bigger problem is I can only store and carry so much ammo. One more thing many preppers forget or don’t know weapons wear out. Barrels on most weapons will start to fail with as few as 7000 rounds some less, some more, but weapons all fail at some point.

          My point is; at this time I have the right to keep and bare arms these are God given and Constitutional natural rights. I will not give up my God given rights, the PTB will have to come and take my rights.

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        • NRA Member says:

          Obama has done more for gun ownership than anyone I can think of. Everyone is stocking up.

          America is not dumb. Just bought a ruger 10 22 to teach my 14 year old daughter on.

          Teach your children well.

          It will be real funny one day when we get a supreme court loss and they tell us to all turn in our guns like in Britain.

          Who would turn them in?
          Such a ruling would instantly create one million snipers.

          The Brits are a bunch of pussies.

          The Americans have a real… FUCK YOU attitude when you try and tell them they are disarmed slaves.

          I’D RATHER FUCKING DIE.

          It will be important for everyone on that day to NOT comply.
          Live in peace.
          If they come knocking for your gun…. you decide.

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      • Barn Cat says:

        We’re going to see the US government become part of a one-world government. They don’t care if they lose most of the US population. One-worlders want a much lower population anyway. They’re perfectly willing to let the welfare people starve to death. The people who are going to take over will make Hitler and Stalin look like amateurs. Don’t think for a minute that you can successfully fight them.

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        • REB says:

          …and that attitude my dear BC is precicely why hitler and stalin were able to do what they did…tptb count on us being scared of them,giving up BEFORE we fight…sorry but this farmboy wont be buying that “theyre so big and strong and we’re so weak and puny”argument…

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      • REB says:

        ya and this time the rebel army wont march past DC….but through it…doing a “sherman” as they go….!

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    39. Seeker of Truth says:

      “Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”

      –Hermann Goering
      (a German politician, military leader, and a leading member of the Nazi Party)

      Don’t know what it will take for people to wake up. I remember back when I was in grade school, hated history sooo much and 1 day asked the teacher, why do we need to know this stuff it’s in the past, why do we need to know about what’s in the past. Never forget her responding, so that we learn from the past and don’t allow history to repeat itself (referring to war and tyranny, WW2 specifically) yeah whole lotta good that did for the masses huh? Guess they didn’t get that memo!

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    40. Hammerun says:

      I don’t know where these articles come from but I do doubt their abilities to carry them out though. Let’s take Kansas for instance. So Obamas army of little obamanauts goes out and starts seizing farms. Do ya think anybody could carry this off in secret? Oh maybe the first twenty farms, maybe. Then what do you think will happen when a dark colored Chevy Suburban with Gov plates pulls up to the next ones in line? If anybody ever tried this load, the blowback would be heard around the world. This sounds like one of those trial balloons that are made of lead. If this was pulled off in a one off gang bang, good luck. Better bring one thing, a lot of body bags.

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        Hammer, people have such short memories… in the mid-90s the ATF was leaning on “militia” types and well, anyone. Including old folks who’d had an FFL since FDR was in office. It culminated with Waco (they could have gotten Koresh by waiting until he went to the local record store or auto-parts place). The backlash (not saying it’s right but…) was swift and effective. OKC. The result was the gov’t stepped the hell back and has been a lot more cautious about messing with Joe Sixpack Squirrel Shooter ever since.

        In Obama’s favor I gotta say, he changed the law to allow guns in National parks, a thing somehow neither Bush had the balls to do.

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        • ponomo says:

          i carried b4 in Parks–the parks are within the State–I musta broke a law or regulation.

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        • Anonymous says:

          right as soon as he pulls this shit off most sheeple will kneel over and bow to this shit. While me and the rest in my group will hide in the hills.

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        • don't-tread says:

          If Obama did as you say,”changed the law to allow guns in National Parks”; you had better believe it wasn’t for the benefit of an honest American. It would be more likely so when the armed assasins of TPTB come to arrest you for being on “Federal Land”; They could say, “We had to kill them in self defense, we thought they had guns pointed at us”. In all reality it was just a BBQ’ed chicken wing.

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          • REB says:

            …but it was a racist BBQed chicken wing and we were afeared for our beloved leaders safety and reputation…you understand how it is…we had to shoot him….

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        • jake says:

          @DomesticTerrorist—-

          Obama only did that in that bill so that he would get the part HE wanted …. I may not be saying this good, but there was a bill written about something… Don’t remember what…. and it was not going to pass, so he HAD to compromise and let them include into the bill ( that had nothing to do with firearms in the first place …surprise surprise right?) the provision that firearms could be carried in national Parks..that is the ONLY reason that went through… if I am wrong someone correct me.

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      • Keith says:

        100 Millions red necks with Guns aint gonna let it happen! Beside, the drivers of thoses”Chevy Suburban with Gov plates” gotta go back home sometime! IF ya know what I mean!

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    41. BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

      Brothers in suffering, brothers in resistance, brothers in ideals and conviction. It is now our duty to further strengthen this bond in order to secure this hard-won freedom for future generations.

      G.V.

      ~NinaO

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    42. Sweed says:

      Congress pays how much per month for their life time insurance while in office?

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      • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

        not enough… their will soon be a bunch of “VERY RICH” Widows of Ex Congressmen and Widowers of Ex Congresswomen!

        maybe the can help the next crop of U.S. Congress CRITTERS follow the U.S. Constitutional Laws!

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        • yental says:

          The “next crop” will have constitutional incentives not seen in over a century. Swift, decisive, and terminal justice administered by a “new crop” of unforgiving, intolerant, and wiser patriots on the “watchtower” 24/7.

          What THEY have “sowed” for us…is about to be a very bitter harvest for “THEM”. The nonFederal Reserve Charter will NOT be renewed in 2013. With THEIR DEMISE, will follow most of our misery. Welcome to the “front row seat” of he death of the Fed. A 100 year charter will not become 101(+). Wilson and 1913 will finally be laid to irrelevant oblivion.

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      • ThePresticle1 says:

        @BRUCE; I agree with what you’re saying, but personally I don’t care what perks or benefits or extra ANYTHING that they get while in office.
        Every job has it’s perks.
        The problem is that they RETAIN every single one of those perks, paybacks and benefits after only serving ONE DAY in office!!!
        So basically, they don’t care if you vote them out. They will still be set for life anyways.

        I might be wrong, but like I said- every job has it’s benefits.

        BUT- only so long as you have that job.

        THEREFORE- As in the olden days- you ONLY got those benefits so long as you RETAINED office.
        Which meant playing by the rules and actually getting re-elected without crooked voter fraud or ACORN.

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    43. MM2Nuke says:

      Wow, I knew something like this was coming but never figured it would be this soon. Civilian conscriptions to be “labors”, this is going to go over like a fart in church.
      I WILL NOT COMPLY

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    44. girl getting nervous says:

      It seems that the time has come to look at other places to settle in the world. I love my country and have always felt honored to have been born here and part of one of the greatest experiments in human history. Please help me my fellow readers and give me some advice on what country could be best to relocate to. If you have personal knowledge of any of these places please advise. Time to start a new.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Girl: You cannot hide from the NWO. It is in every country. Its just different assholes in the leadership roles.

        You must resist it.

        Nowhere better to resist than at its source. They are few. WE are many. History is on the side of personal freedom.

        Divine Providence rules the world. Not some pointy headed bureaucrat with a tin badge. When the SHTF the PTB will have their hands full and will not have time to sweat the small stuff.

        Patriots must organize now and develop new political structures. The Globalists in power do not fear force of arms; only the loss of political power.

        That is their weakness. Exploit their weakness America, if you value your liberties.

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      • 1984MSGT says:

        Just think about your question.
        Canada? No, they are slow to protect their citizens. Mexico? The citizens are cannon fodder for the drug lords.
        USA? At least here there is a possibility you will link up with another patriot. Here you have a chance. Also you already know not to trust the government.

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      • my observation says:

        I used to have a contracting company and was in hundreds of homes.

        Shit…the whites in the burbs have fucking basement armories!
        Gang bangers and blue helmets beware….these fuckers
        are serious.

        it’s like a status symbol to have a hidden room jammed with $30k in arms and ammo.
        No shit…I saw this over and over again. Every other house.

        Remember that these middle aged white guys are corporate types who are used to planning and organizing in teams.

        My prediction….. WROL = gang banger culling time.
        The whites in the burbs seems to be quietly pissed off and look forward to protecting their homes.

        These fuckers go out on weekends and take their kids to teach them to shoot.
        I don’t see gang bangers doing that.

        I’m not saying a race war will go on…just that anybody things they can fuck with these people had better understand what they are dealing with.

        peace, love and ammo for all.

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        • angrycitizen says:

          I am writing this comment after I stopped laughing…

          Man, how do you know everything about me?.. ;-)
          … except I’m not at $30K arms/ammo stash. Yet.

          Shooting with my son (high school student): every 2nd weekend.
          With 12-year old daughter: sometimes.
          Both kids have black belts in karate.
          The girl is not that strong or deadly, although she sure won’t take shit from noone, but the boy can probably kick *my* ass (and I am not a weakling, either).

          Race war: **NO**.
          I don’t mind the color: I can have black friends and white enemies, or vice versa.

          Just don’t like being fucked with.

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    45. citizen ron says:

      dear USGovt-

      eat my shorts.

      citizen ron

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    46. BadAmerican says:

      DumpDC….

      http://www.dumpdc.com

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    47. Archer25 says:

      well there ya go folks, this is what they are going to use to take up the guns. There is legislation in the floor of the house with the words “impeachment” on it and he has to do something to keep himself in power. Get ready people its alnost YOYO TIME!

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    48. Keith says:

      something is about to go down. Clinton did something similer to this before Y2K, just to be safe mind you.LOL

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    49. Remitdlo says:

      Obama told us that he waited an army (the FEMA corp) as large as the military! .40 cal ammo? Side arms for the Corp?

      ….ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ…..

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    50. The optimist... says:

      Everything’s gonna be ok. No, really. Everything’s gonna be fine…just come on over here and sit next to yer good ole uncle Obama. That’s right. C’mon, now. Don’t be afraid. Scoot on over here a lil closer. That’s it. Good. Now, waddayasay we have us a lil cuddle you and I. Here, let me get my arms around ya. That’s it. Just like that. See? Everythings gonna be fine. Now, just close yer eyes and go to sleep. Lay yer head down, child. I’m not the boogie man… Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum…

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    51. Anonymous says:

      Anonymous: I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck… maybe even a “recreational vehicle.” And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
      Okie: I suppose.
      Anonymous: No papers?
      Okie: No papers, state to state.
      Anonymous: Well then, in winter I will live in… Arizona. Actually, I think I will need two wives.
      Okie: Oh, at least.

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    52. slingshot says:

      There are plenty of things to consider and we must evaluate them diligently. Will they have the stomach to preceed with their plan when met with resistance. Will we have the stomach to persevere through adversity. Will they fight for an unjust cause and forsake the freedom given them by others unconditionally and will we fight on moral ground knowing we can lose all.
      By decree we have lost all already. But their cause is hollow and unjust and we have not forgot our History, our Heritage, and our Thirst for Justice. Good will overcome Evil and this Execetive order is Evil.
      This has gone way beyond money or welfare or banking or Social Security. It is the fight to preserve The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and The Bill of Rights and nothing more. The sad part about it all is that we are going to fight for those who know almost nothing about these documents. They are easily lead because of their fear and they will experience TYRANNY and live under it willingly. And so will their children.

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      • Gods Creation says:

        “They are easily lead because of their fear and they will experience TYRANNY and live under it willingly.”

        They already do.

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      • 1984MSGT says:

        There will be a time when one must choose what they believe in and what one will not tolerate on themselves or their children. That time is FAST approaching. Think about your choices.

        Choose wisely. The fate of this nation rests upon your shoulders. It will be a “Give Me LIBERTY -or- Give Me Death” situation.

        It all may start as a knock on your door in the middle of the night.

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    53. BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

      However, the combination of civil resistance, of large-scale mass activities and strikes, with a certain degree of revolutionary violence, could provoke a crisis in the enemy’s camp that would ultimately lead to essential changes.

      J.S.

      IMF NWO CFR Global Banker Debt Enslavement RESISTANCE is True American PATRIOTISM at its Finest Hour!

      RESIST the IMF NWO CFR! Resist the U.N. Agenda 21! Resist the Marxist-Fascist Illegal U.S. Federal Government and the NWO CIA Illegal-Alien Puppet Prez. Barry Soetoro aka Obsama Barack Obama! A Kenyan Natural Born Citizen!

      IMPEACH ARREST PROSECUTE the NWO False Zionist Agent President and His CFR Oligarchy Vice President!

      RECALL FIRE PROSECUTE Your NWO State Congress Corrupted Critters and Sellout Senators!

      YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE! YOU and those Free American FREEMEN Patriots around you!

      STAND TOGETHER and FIGHT the IMF NWO CFR NWO Globalists!

      They are Thousands! WE ARE BILLIONS! THE WORLD OVER!!!

      As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can FIGHT like men also.

      Thomas Jefferson

      ~NinaO

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    54. Haze says:

      They are obviously preparing for war or some emergency situation.

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    55. usa721516 says:

      Freakin unreal, and is freakin me out!

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    56. Richard says:

      THIS

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    57. Richard says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • Richard –

        Do better research.

        Go to whitehouse dot gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

        THIS IS THE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE.

        Oh, lookie – my caps lock works too!

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      • Montana Mike says:

        Missing Executive Order number made me curious too. The simple explanation is;

        E.O’s are written and signed by Presidents: then they are sent to the Office of the Federal Register where it assigns the number: then it is printed in the Federal Register.

        The process takes about two weeks. Looking at the Presidents E.O.’s for 2012 the Executive Order number should be #13603 or 4.

        My question, will we see even more E.O.’s further expanding on the concept of expanded Presidential power
        without the full role of the Congress in place??

        Thanks Daisy and JRS

        (MM)

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    58. omg says:

      THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY.

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    59. JRS says:

      As Domestic Terrorist and Daisy brought up, these Executive Orders have been around for quite a while.This is basically what was implemented during WWII. Every able bodied person was put to work in the war machine factories. The energy supplies were taken over and rationed…the japanese-americans were interred against their will and had only a couple of days to sell their possessions befrore being shipped to “FEMA” camps.If you search “FEMA Executive Orders” you will see this plan has been in place since the late 60′s when Nixon was afraid of civil unrest due to Vietnam protests and tne MLK riots. Reagan fine tuned them some more in the 80′s. Now I think with the unrest coming this spring Obama feels it’s time to update them some more. As Daisy says we have been under “national emergency” for quite a number of years. The knowledge of this is only now becoming known due to the alternative media.

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    60. newaroundhere says:

      Insanity.

      It makes me wonder if they know about something so massive, so devastating, that it goes beyond simply saving a nation to hoping to save (at least) a sliver of the human race.

      Or, perhaps they really are just plain evil and looking to put us all under the boot.

      Either way… ouch.

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    61. Mr. Blutarsky says:

      We have slipped into Hell. Thanks obama. Loser.

      I love America. I HATE Amerika. Unfortunately, we are living in the former now.

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    62. 1984MSGT says:

      I promised to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. I know the difference between a lawful order and one that is against Our American Freedoms.

      I have no problems following lawful orders of those appointed above me. So when the time comes will you remember your “Oath of Enlistment”?

      Time will tell. The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Maybe.

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    63. slingshot says:

      Gods Creation.
      If we agree that the American War Machine started with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which enable us to print funds allowing us to go to war, then all the wars or conflicts since then, are acts of aggression against the People of the United States. Even under the guise of the Cold War, they would be acts of aggression, whether directly or indirectly. Why do the American people now hold our military in such high reguard? No so long ago they spat on us and called us baby killers. What was the difference? Politics? Viet Nam with 58,000 dead and Desert Storm 4400. I can see that the money spent on entanglements in foreign lands could have been spent on the nation woes. Thus the act of war. Why blame the warrior when the politicians wield the true power. Then we have no war heroes and we should all be tried for Treason including mself.

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    64. VRF says:

      Laws dont mean shit if they cant enforce them.
      those that enforce laws like such, get what they deserve..
      Resist tyranny, force for force..every place you feel it, see it, or smell it.

      And as far as coming for whats mine, I had to pay for all of it, so will they. No domain of mine is emminenet.

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      • John W. says:

        What makes you think they cannot enforce them? That is a foolish assumption that I would not bet on. If you are correct the that is fine with me. Why can’t these people just go away and leave us alone.

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    65. Cinderella Man says:

      Well I guess Im going to be one of those sought after when all this shit goes down… I know how to raise livestock I also work at a grain elevator so I guess Ill be a resident on a govt. work farm forced to help feed everyone else. This sucks. So now as of Friday all the new calves and lambs we helped bring into the world dosent belong to us. Damn this article pisses me off! We work so hard and have to battle so much to produce a crop of cattle and sheep only to be told it doesnt belong to us! All I can says is good luck to the Nazi bastards that try to take it from us. Maybe they think us country folks are a bunch of dumb rednecks theyre going to have a big surprise waiting for them! The battle lines have been drawn, the pieces are set, I never thought I would see America in a civil war in my lifetime….

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    66. wildcat says:

      Did everyone besides 2 people miss that this has been an EO since 1950? I think the only change was to section 301 title 3 which has to do with loan guarantees… But WTH do I know, really…

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      • kimintn says:

        also puts everything under the hub of DHS. pretty sure DHS wasn’t around in 1950. just saying….

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      • Arkaden says:

        I’m glad someone here can read and distinguish between items of real concern and things that are posted just to ruffle feathers of the readers. I’m not blind to the fact that there are serious problems lining up, but you can’t take every little thing that’s done and run around yelling and screaming with your arms in the air. I like sites like this because you get an alternative perspective, but I don’t like sites like this because it’s a news site and there’s still sensationalism involved. The key is to sift through it and think for yourself. You got a thumbs up from me Wild.

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    67. slingshot says:

      NinaO
      I’m a fool? O.K. So be it. There are ways to do things with honor. As I understand there are many high ranking officers that do not agree with policy and it is them who will make a decision. Not the Non-Coms.
      I have been around the block or two and understand you view of the Zionist infilltration. But to ask all military to go AWOL is like asking all of us to start a civil war. Who will fire the first shot?

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      • Slingshot, really, the US is already at war. The government has been infiltrated and taken over, and they are quietly siezing control of everything and everyone in the country.

        The military, if they are true to their oaths, SHOULD be refusing these orders. The men and women on that vessel are being purposely sent into a false-flag situation. They are being treated as disposable.

        Where’s the honor in doing the will of the infiltrators?

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        • slingshot says:

          Daisy,
          When I joined up I did swear to follow the orders of those appointed above me. And Yes, to defend the Constitution. Why should the military do the dirty work That You and I should do. They are bound by military law and we use civil law. Simular but different. There is no doubt they are sailing into harms way. They know that. If you ever seen the gear that comes up on a carrier and do not forget the battle group, you will see they are not defenceless. They honor their contract they signed.

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          • Slingshot, you are completely missing my point.

            To quote you, “Why should the military do the dirty work that you and I should do?”

            Because they took an oath to defend this country – to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

            As for the rest of that oath, the part which you have quoted, you conveniently left out the part that says you’re to follow those orders “according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”

            I realize it’s inherent in being a member of the Navy that you sail into harm’s way, but this is totally different – they are being set up to die! Not for freedom and liberty, but to give the President a reason to pick a fight and to keep oil prices down. This is nothing more than a war crime waiting to happen.

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      • The IMF NWO.CFR ANTI-CHRIST says:

        @Slingshot … HONOR??? CRACKER Please! ;0P
        Honor does not EVEN EXISTS in the UNITED STATES Military!!! Have you even been watching the news of the last 12 years!

        It was the US PENTAGON that Carried out the 9/11 Twin Towers , Bldg 7 destruction with Syntax! Oklahoma City Child Daycare Massacre! Branch Davidian Compound Massacre , etc etc this list is long! Of Atrocities the US Military has Committed against American Citizens and the Free World! Millions Innocent people DEAD! For what??? So the 1% can live in big houses and pretend they are better then everyone else! Phuck that… The Revolution STARTS NOW!

        Go Back to your Officer’s Club find some TDY’s Officers whore wife and buy her a drink! That’s all Officers are good for… buncha political whores is all Officers are!

        I’m ENLISTED, A Sergeant and I only need to listen too my own inner conscience too KNOW US MILITARY OFFICERS are a bunch of political fools and cowards… Only US MARINE General Smedley Butler “THE FIGHTIN QUAKER” had the balls too FACE the NWO when PRESCOTT BUSH , GEORGE BUSH Sr father tried to take over America in a Coup, And Make America a Communist State! NO ONE ELSE!

        There is No Honor any more in the ZIONIST ISRAELI Jew CONTROLLED US Military!

        Only UN Goyim Soldier Slaves… Pawns of the IMF NWO CFR!

        Honor??? CRACKER Please! I bet you those 16 Afghanistan CIVILIANS and the two women BRUTALLY Gang RAPED Tortured then MURDERED like sheep by the 20 US ARMY Green Berets just LAST WEEK , or the 1 MILLION DEAD and counting IRAQI’S are asking that same question! The US Military does NOT KNOW the MEANING of that WORD “Honor” any LONGER! Just ask IMF NWO ZIONIST CIA Puppet Petreaus! He’s a prime example of what has become of the CODE in the US Military! He’s a TOOL of Murder for the IMF NWP CFR – nothing more! A Rabid Dog that needs to be Destroyed!

        The Enlisted will show the Officers HOW TO LEAD! It is the ENLISTED who DIE, BLEED, FIGHT, FIX, MAINTAIN and actually RUN the US MILITARY… I’m Pretty Sure They can ALL figure out how to Lead Themselves too FREEDOM and Help Restore the FREE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICA !

        I say it Again @Slingshot your a FOOL! There is no ROOM for Cowards Here! I suggest you go stay with the women and children in the REAR ya REMF! ;0P

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        • slingshot says:

          Well Sergeant,
          I’m sorry you feel that way. I did my time. I do not understand why you called me a coward and a REMF. Difference of opinion? If our officers are cowards and political fools, I have no reason to repute that statement as I have out for many a year. I will not fault you and believe you are steadfast in your commitment to the USA. I was not an officer. Enlisted like you. I also thank you for your service.
          Continue to flame away and if I do not answer you, I will in the morning.
          Are you still in?

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        • Tarheelbilly says:

          I must implore people to refrain from racist remarks when responding to each other. I read, with great interest, the responses and ideas offered by readers of this website, generously moderated my M.S. Sophomoric name-calling is unnecessary, divisive, and degrading. There is enough vitriol out there serving to divide hard working Americans and obfuscate the truth of what is happening in our great country. We are in this together. Inform, but seek to do so in a way that lifts someone up. We will NEED each other during these difficult times.

          I may sound like a Pollyanna, but I know that there is a lot of work to do to inform others. My lost brothers and sisters will become threats to my family if they don’t wake up SOON and get themselves right. You can attract a lot more flies with honey than with salt, you know.

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        • 1984MSGT says:

          @The IMF NWO.CFR ANTI-CHRIST

          Sgt. I disagree with 99% of what you stated. However on the lead, fight, die,fix, maintain and actually run the military I must agree.

          You should know the difference between a lawful order and one you must resist obeying. NCO’s have always taught the young butter bars their jobs and have always been examples of leadership to the troops.

          Officers are always political and self serving until they learn how to be a real officer that leads men/women.

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          • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

            @slingshot , msgt

            henry kissinger is right then: Military Men are STUPID ANIMALS! Pawns Born to Die for the IMF NWO CFR U.N. and Never Ask Why!!!

            I’m glad I’m a Civilian Again and know the Truth!

            At least I’ve a chance unlike you two! Keep Drinking the Fluoridated Cool-Aid! Your both right NinaO is wrong! You and your wife, children will be just fine!

            Oh Don’t forget to get All your Flu Shots up to date and other Shots!

            ;0) They’re Soooooo Good for you! Yum Yum! An Eat GMO Processed foods if you want to be Healthy!

            Suckers!

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    68. iowa says:

      It wont be US Troops marching to take your family and everything you own. It will be the UN blue helmets. Fuck em!

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      • countryboyseein says:

        Good they’ll be easier to see!

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      • Paranoid says:

        I hope so. Those boys will be so welcome out here, we all love the UN.

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        • don't-tread says:

          There will be a whole bunch of american law enforcement/military/anyone weak in mind, “citizens” under those “blue helmets”. It is called taking the “mark of the beast”; to pledge allegiance to a system that controls/murders/imprisons, freedom loving and God fearing-(revering) peoples. An implanted chip doesn’t constitute “taking” the mark; it’s the allegiance to the NWO and any of it’s counterparts with a mindset to do the work of such. Basically it’s what is “in” their (head) brain, that constitutes the “mark”, and a ticket to hell. It will be up to God to punch that ticket.

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      • Mr. T says:

        Don’t forget the Chi-com forces!

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    69. Be informed says:

      You know what, Executive Orders are nothing but a license that allows dictator powers over the people. While there is “suppose to be” a balance of power that prevents a radical president from becoming a Vladimir Putin, Fidel Castro, Assad, Hussein, or that little prick in North Korea that just died, or even a Hitler, in the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch. Hey, “suppose to be”.

      It is understandable that during a “true” crisis there has to be a leader that takes charge quickly to save the country from disaster. However, a president that knows that they are not going to be re-elected under any circumstance and is crazed with power can “wag the dog” and literally stay in power. Yes, during certain scenarioes the general election can be postponed or cancelled. Just basic logic says this if no one can get to the polls because of some type of catastrophe, means no election.

      The real issue here is that it was never meant for one person to have this much power to abuse it. Executive Orders should have some sort of fail safe device in which it can be overridden, quickly enough to curb and stop some mad president from becoming a nice little tin horned dictator and retaining that power. Why does the movie Star Wars: Episode 3- Revenge of The Sith come to mind here?

      Try to imagine all sorts of “false flag” events that can be made up. Your imagination can probably think of at least a dozen right off the top of your head. Now here is the scary part, those in the Executive Branch probably has a whole slew of these false flaggers just ready for that special occasion. Here is something even more scary, most of the population will totally believe it without question.

      Better get your copy of the constitution and keep it in a safe place for your not too distant future family to look at, and they can all reminisce about when “We The People” actually meant something.

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    70. A White Guy says:

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      • RICH99 says:

        He finally does remind me of President Lincoln. See if you can “have a beer summit” with him. Ask him if Air Force One starts up on solar power.

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    71. A White Guy says:

      Btw, that was a reply to the racists trying to insinuate black people run this fascist government & not to the article itself.

      This racism against a half black president who’s doing exactly the same things as Bush irks me. Many white people who shut their cowardly mouth during Bush’s reign of terror are all of sudden becoming “patriots”. Where were most of U assholes while Bush fucked up the country?

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      • RICH99 says:

        Right here while the current one has been making it worse the last three years by kicking the can of peas down the road at the beginning of his first four. Where’s all of the dimtards against the conflicts with rules now? Is GITMO closed, repelled any of prior laws, you’ll buy into health care if you like it or not. Where does the buck stop again, the last three years of bail outs, transparency, where? Take your peace prize and swallow it. You are preaching to the wrong crowd. Grow up or at least find a pair. He sold his soul and you are even more confused after learning a little.

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      • Slim says:

        Get back with us when you read this on CNN.

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      • Tarheelbilly says:

        And that’s why I am a libertarian… My irritation with Bush fell on deaf ears 10 years ago. Now I’m irritated and dismayed by Obama but now I seem to have a whole herd of people behind me. Tyranny is tyranny. If a law or actions are unjust, it shouldn’t matter whether a member of “your” party suggested it. If it’s immoral, it should be so regardless of who’s in power. Just my 2 cents.

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      • lonelonmum says:

        Thank you A White Guy!

        I cannot agree enough.

        Obama is just a puppet in a very complex web distracts from the real issues. This is a culmination of a long standing plan that has been gradually coming for a LONG time!

        Divide and conquer – it’s so old a brainwashing technique of the elites that frankly it’s now got boring.

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      • kevin says:

        23%-27% of adult working age black people work for the state/local/fed corp.(depending on who’s numbers you believe) 17%-19%(depending on who’s number you believe) of adult working age white people do. So many people(white and black) have a stake in seeing the status-quoe continuing, and hear the words Ron Paul says, and get fearful of their jobs. So we got 1/5 of white workers on the teet, and 1/5 of black workers on the teet. A$$HOLES?? Most of us “assholes” were screaming at the top of our lungs, from the mountain top, when the patriot act came out, where were you by the way?? You assume alot about people, but you only make an a$$ out of yourself.

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    72. A White Guy says:

      My Daddy once told me, “When they start treating the average white guy the same as they’ve been treaing the blacks, the shit is about to hit the fan”.

      He also said many people’d regret keeping their mouths shut while others were beaten, discriminated against because eventually they’re coming for U too!

      He just said most people were too stupid to realize it because they were brainwashed to think “that only happens to those people”. Well, we’re all going to be a minority now! As Bruce Willis said in Die Hard, “Welcome to the party pal!”

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      • Mr. T says:

        And I say “Yippee Kiyeah Mutha Trucker”! It’s time to take our country back!

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      • lonelonmum says:

        A white guy.

        Difference is:-

        Blacks and the American Indians learned long ago that tpb cannot be trusted.

        Many whites will discover that they will be sold down the river and be sold out by fellow church members, “patriots” etc.

        The concept of the “other” is one that’s gonna cause many to lose their lives. Shake of the brain washing.

        US History – Black slaves were only introduced to the new world as too many Irish, English and European slaves dropped dead in the heat of the plantations. A more economically viable source of slaves was needed. Stuff is going full circle.

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    73. clark says:

      “If a president has a power to kill you, then he has the power to do anything he wishes with you and to you.”…

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/108104.html

      Insert video of the final episode of the TV show, Little House on the Prairie, here x.

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      • Anonymous says:

        If he has the power to make you purchase government health insurance or prove that you have your own while trying to bankrupt the insurance field and “give” insurance to the unions and McDonalds so he can brag about producing J O B S; what can he make you purchase or regret next?

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    74. clark says:

      Also, here’s food for thought:

      How To Bring Down the System
      Any system, non-violently.

      How To Gum Up Any Institution

      http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1108.html

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    75. The Realist says:

      This would only be expected.. We let it all be written and made law people! Don’t be MADD now..

      Just pull up your underwear and shorts after big govt has finished their turn and run!

      It’s written actually as* presidential mandates*..

      As well as this saying > Only the strong will survive!!

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    76. slingshot says:

      Daisy,
      Are there not articles which cover Desertion, Mutiny, and AWOL in the Code of Military Justice? Disobeying a direct order? War crimes have been going for over forty years. The last prosecution was Lt. Calley with Mi Lai. We have stood by and have done nothing. I guess I am wrong or just unable to grasp the whole picture.

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    77. JayJay says:

      Four words…too many armed citizens!

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      • The IMF NWO.CFR ANTI-CHRIST says:

        Gun control and crime

        In 1976, Washington, D.C., instituted one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. The murder rate since that time has risen 134 percent (77.8 per 100,000 population) while the overall rate for the country has declined 2 percent. Washington, D.C., politicians find it easy to blame Virginia’s less-stringent gun laws for the D.C. murder rate. Yet Virginia Beach, Virginia’s largest city with almost 400,000 residents, has had one of the lowest rates of murder in the country — 4.1 per 100,000.

        In New York City, long known for strict regulation of all types of weapons, only 19 percent of the 390 homicides in 1960 involved pistols. By 1972, this proportion had jumped to 49 percent of 1,691. In 1973, according to the New York Times, there were only 28,000 lawfully possessed handguns in the nation’s largest city, but police estimated that there were as many as 1.3 million illegal handguns there.

        In 1986, Maryland banned small, affordable handguns called Saturday night specials. Within two years, Maryland’s murder rate increased by 20 percent, surpassing the national murder rate by 33 percent. Then Maryland passed a one-gun-a-month law. Yet between 1997 and 1998, 600 firearms recovered from crime scenes were traced to Maryland gun stores. Virginia, one of only two other states with a similar law, ranked third as a source of guns used by criminals in other states.

        On the other hand, New Hampshire has almost no gun control and its cities are rated among the safest in the country. Across the border in Massachusetts, which has very stringent gun-control laws, cities of comparable size have two to three times as much crime as New Hampshire.

        Vermont has the least restrictive gun-control law. It recognizes the right of any Vermonter who has not otherwise been prohibited from owning a firearm to carry concealed weapons without a permit or license. Yet Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates in America, ranking 49 out of 50 in all crimes and 47th in murders.

        States which have passed concealed-carry laws have seen their murder rate fall by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent, aggravated assaults by 7 percent and robbery by 3 percent.

        Texas is a good example. In the early 1990s, Texas’s serious crime rate was 38 percent above the national average. Since then, serious crime in Texas has dropped 50 percent faster than for the nation as a whole. All this happened after passage of a concealed-carry law in 1994.

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    78. Concerned Citizen says:

      This SHTFplan.com article conveniently neglects to mention that “The original EO dealing with national defense resources preparedness was issued in 1939 (EO 8248), according to the National Archives. It has been superseded a number of times, starting in 1951 by nearly every President through Bill Clinton, and amended twice by George W. Bush.” (from link below) And this EO offers no real changes to the one from 1994. I think the political agenda, motivations, and integrity of SHTFplan.com should be questioned when it presents something like this in such an inflammatory manner.

      http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/national-defense-resources-preparedness-executive-order-power-grab-or-update/

      It’s vitally important to verify information and context, especially if something is to be viewed as a sign that the end is near. Information like this should be checked and double checked against many different sources before making blanket assumptions. We all share responsibility for the future of our country. Let’s all act like we deserve that responsibility.

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      • kimintn says:

        it’s not that this is an entirely new order, but that it now puts things under control of DHS, and can be implemented by this marxist administration. that’s what has people concerned. reagan would have used this against the bad guys; this administration wants to use it against us.

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      • hammerhead says:

        concerned – thank you for mentioning this , my thoughts exactly as i read these posts.
        and lets not forget, the executive branch of this republic CANNOT make laws.
        this crap is only constitutional if we allow it to be.

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    79. Transmutant says:

      The internet is a key resource for them to implement all this. ISPs can be taken over just like anything else, then you’d know it’ll be too late. Folks, It’s now or never. This is all textbook marxism; the state owns everything including the labor. If you don’t like ’60s Mother Russia, Cuba or Mao’s China, then what are you prepared to do?

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    80. Tango Charlie says:

      I have heard and seen enough, and I am tired of this SHIT.

      It took a while, but I’m wide awake now and every day I get just a little better prepared for whatever happens.

      I don’t know where our nation is headed, but I will not be a stepping stone.

      I don’t know where, I don’t know when, and I don’t know how, but fair warning — don’t tread on me.

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    81. ginger says:

      You know, I’m a single mom and I was once again struck with fear reading this article. I honestly feel like I’m living a nightmare. Each day, I wake up and ask myself if this is really happening. -If the world is really coming to this. I’m so upset that I cried tonight. Partly out of fear, partly out of frustration.

      Tonight, I will pray. Forget it, I’ll pray now. Join me in faith.

      Dear Heavenly Father,
      I and so many others, feel so out of control right now. this is clearly out of our hands. You have not given us a spirit of fear though. Lord, help us, strengthen our spirits, guard our hearts and minds. Let us never forget that you reign. That there is never a minute where You are not in control. Father, we turn our hearts to you. Maybe some of us are turning back to you. We thank you that you are filled with mercy and grace and an everlasting compassion. We pray this in the precious name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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    82. GrayFoxGreen says:

      After reading about this alot of odd things begin to make sense…
      While the “Red Clown party circus” continues unabated,Mr. Obama looks supremely confident as he putters along,as if he already KNEW what was about to happen.As if HE already knew that he’s going to remain in power for the next four years,or even far longer…
      Just my thoughts on all this.
      Best to All
      Hope you and yours have something to eat and a safe place to stay(whatever that amounts to in this crazy times)
      LTR,
      GFg

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    83. Paranoid says:

      Relax the Gov has a plan on how to deal with little green men from Mars, if they show up. They can plan to bell the cat. They can plan all the want, I will support the Constitution, so will a lot of people.

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    84. Mr. T says:

      Released on a Friday, and I have not seen one news program or mention of this on TV! I hope everyone is ready for the excriment sandwich! This is the most dangerous piece of legislation I have ever seen. People this started with a warning from Eisenhower who told the people to beware of the military and industrial complex; I think he saw the dangers of a “Emergency” being used to ursurp our democratic style of government to enpower a defacto dictatorship. Obama will use this to seize power without having to fire a shot…at least at first. There’s no way he can win another election, so he will “cook up” some “emergency” in order to declare some form of “state emergency” that will be the precursor to implementing this “ACT”. Can anyone see the Iranian Conflict being used to get the ball rolling? Obama will arm his followers on the civilian level to be used as a bunch of “brown shirt” thugs to control the big cities first and will then “spoke and hub” this control mechanism to slowly work his way out to the “flyover” country/rural areas. We have precious little time to get our preps in place and our defensive teams mobilized. You need to look to your like minded individuals to get them trained and tactically organized to resist this. “If you are reading this…you are the resistance”! We have lived in relative peace through most of our lives, but I say to you, this is the hour that you must “pay for” those years of peace and refresh the liberty tree with our blood if necessary. We need to take back our nation from these “legalized” criminals. Timing in this matter is crucial! Is there any coincidence that Obama recently attacked Christian religions and has gone after control of them? No; I think not! He is seeing what we will tolerate right now! We will all soon be labeled “terrorists/radicals/criminals” much the same way our founders were by the King of England in the 1700′s; do NOT give up your arms, property, or belongings and do NOT sit by while they seize your neighbors. These worthless bastards don’t deserve to be citizens walking around “free” in our presence. I say that we MUST act and soon. Keep lists of anyone who is responsible for implementing this bullshit “ACT” and anyone who is helping enact it. A day of reckoning will happen and when we’ve won the day, trials will need to be held and executions will need to be carried out for “JUSTICE” to be served. People, quite possibly our relatives/loved ones will be killed or harmed during this 2nd Revolution and those who perpetrated this grand scale crime against us will need to be held accountable….show them no mercy, because none will be granted us during the final act of this crime against us. We will need to be prepared to not only fight against some of our “blind” citizenry, but also against U.N. troops and Chinese and Russian forces as well; our own military will NOT fight against is own populace so Obama will need to utilize Chi-com forces to carry out this crime! We all must be need to organize our “minute-men” teams now. God be with us all; the death of America has just occured as of Friday March the 16th, 2012. The renewed United States has yet to be born!

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    85. The IMF NWO.CFR ANTI-CHRIST says:

      “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

      ~Thomas Jefferson

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    86. Georgel says:

      PEOPLE HAVE THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE.

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    87. Gump says:

      If China ever decides to invade our country now, we will be throwing our hands up in the air gleefully yelling “free at last, free at last.”
      hhhmmmm…. maybe that’s the plan…..

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    88. kevin says:

      ONE- nothings wrong with me Two-nothings wrong with me THREE-nothings wrong with me Four- nothings wrong with me. ONE-somethings got to give TWO-somethings wrong with them THREE- somethings wrong with eyes FOUR-many in u.s. will die.

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    89. kevin says:

      @everyone- YOU NEED TO GO TO SURVIVAL BLOG AND READ JAMES RAWLS WARNING TO ALL. THE FEDS REDIRECTED HIS TRAFIC AND INSTALLED A LONG TIME COOKIE ON SOME WHO WENT TO HIS SITE!

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      • Good morning, Kev! :)

        Thanks for that info – very interesting. I bet it’s happening in a lot more sites than just his. I imagine we’d all be surprised to find how many of us have keystroke loggers and other spyware buried in our PCs.

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        • kevin says:

          Good morning daisey. I personelly don’t give a $hit if they trake me. The big guy in the sky knows what I am about(nothin but love) Just like the stazi, the truth WILL convert many feds to liberty. “They” are losing the war of thoughts and information and they KNOW IT. The feds think they are being patriotic, as I believe I am. Just like the nazi’s, they tell everyone they are watching everyone, its a scare tactic, and by their own definition “TERRORISM”!!!! If 2 people see this light by me typing this, and I die tommorrow, liberty wins!!!

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        • kevin says:

          One other thing daisey, I can tell when they are messing with web sites. I had to take 2 days off from comming to shtfplan(and other sites,about 6 months ago) and do some thinking. Do I continue spreading info by e-mail and comments? I asked myself. I decided that I would continue to publish my thoughts in open public forums like shtfplan and others and continue spreading information, knowing what “they” were up to. I believe it is my patriotic duty to do so. God knows I love my country and fear for the little ones growing up, I am at peace.

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      • Larry from San Fran says:

        Saw it this AM, on behalf of Zeke MN, Zen Mook, Aunt T Commie, AU H2O in 1964,Dr. Sheldon Cooper and Larry from San Fran, I would like to say God Bless you all, sorry if I was a royal turd at times, and Adios for good.

        GOD SAVE AMERICA!

        me

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      • Iowa says:

        The People have more guns and have a natural long time cookie on the agents who serve us.

        An appeal to God…

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      • PrepperGal35 says:

        From The Intel Hub on Facebook 2 hrs ago:
        “End the Lie was hacked last night. The Intel Hub was hacked and now WRH is having problems. This is very serious shit.”

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    90. kevin says:

      @feds- WHY are you wasting time and energy on us? Look, I love my family, my state, and my country. I HATE BIG GOVERNMENT, MONEY PRINTING AND WARS!!!! Big government WASTES money, money printing STEALS wealth(yours included) and wars DESTROY LIFE. Perhaps you should read war is a racket, because tyranny is a racket also, and YOUR children, and their children, WILL live under it also, and have the boot of tyranny on their necks all their lives. Vote fraud is rampant, banking fraud is rampant, and ww3 is comming. Do you really want your children to live in a country where the government spies on people for speaking their minds?? In a country where voting does not matter? In a country where people can be indefinetly detained? Do you love your children?

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    91. KY Mom says:

      FEMA Corps: The Citizens’ Army Begins Its Recruiting

      (www.teapartyeconomist.com/2012/03/19/fema-corps-the-citizens-army-begins-its-recruiting/)

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    92. KY Mom says:

      Holder 1995: We Must ‘Brainwash’ People Against Guns

      (www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/18/Holder-Fight-Guns-Like-Cigarettes)

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    93. noteye says:

      I read a story on http://rickmick.com/?p=5655 about Doomsday Preppers Did Not Prepare For Obama’s NDRP Executive Order. These people have spent thousands of dollars to survive, and the DHS can take it all.

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    94. Dirty Greek says:

      Looks like TPTB are preparing for something. I think its a good thing that we got a heads up by reading this. I remember reading about wars in different countries in the past and talking to people who lived through them,it is common to have military and government to confiscate anything they deem needed to help with their efforts. Only difference now is that the FED placed a law. So in reality,this situation would happen regardless of law written today,right?

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    95. Don says:

      I find the discussion regarding the legislation that Obama signed on March 16, 2012 interesting. I had no idea out government officials had this much power.

      In further research I found that Bill Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 on June 3, 1994 that looks almost exactly like the one that Obama signed on March 16, 2012.

      I also found that Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12656 on November 18, 1988. It was an attempt to accomplish the same thing.

      It really looks like to me that the house and the senate needs to pass legislation that prohibits Executive Orders and requires a full majority approval of both the House and Senate in order to use these powers. It appears as though we give the President way too much power.

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      • Montana Mike says:

        Hello Don. great research. Fully agree with your last paragraph. where are the checks and balances without the Congress involved. (MM)

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    96. SmokinOkie says:

      Didn’t we have a discussion of martial law about a year ago? Or maybe it was Marshal Dillon…or marshmallows…I forget. Anyway, I ain’t got time for no stinkin’ martial law. The collapse is gonna have to wait, because there’s
      More Important News To Waste Your Brain Cells On:

      Mitt ‘I’m-just-a-regular-guy-like-everybody-else-except-I’m-a-millionaire-snob’ Romney has won the Puerto Rican primary! With the win, he picks up 4 electors, plus 2 Major League Baseball pitchers to be named later. Rick ‘The Saint’ Santorum came in second and got the runner-up prize of a set of Samsonite luggage and a $50 Wal-Mart gift card. Ron Paul wasn’t even on the ballot. Puerto Rican election officials said they didn’t know how to spell his name so they left him off. Romney, desperate to show the voters he’s just ‘one of them’ tried to make his victory speech in the native language. After stumbling through a few words he decided to cut it short and just said “Merci. Merci beaucoup!…I mean…uh…Arrivaderci!”

      George Clooney, who’s really a very talented actor, but pretty lousy at being a grown-up, got arrested for protesting in DC. He got one phone call from jail. He called his mom. Reporters overheard part of the conversation. “No, Mom. I’m fine. What? Well, that’s a little embarrassing Mom…but, uh…yeah, I wore clean underwear. And besides, you don’t have to worry. I’m not going anywhere near the airport.”

      A young man in Eugene, Oregon celebrated his 21st birthday over the weekend. He celebrated by getting drunk and smashing his car into…(wait for it…) a rehab center for substance abuse treatment! Cops charged him with DUI, criminal mischief, and one felony count of posessing really crappy music that no grown-up should listen to.

      A 19 yr old high school senior in Miami has been charged with running a bookmaking operation. Apparently a pretty BIG one, too. Investigators say she was making over $10,000 a week. If she’s convicted she faces a stiff penalty. She’ll have to choose between 10 years in jail, or a job working for Eric Holder. Hope she has a good lawyer. I hate to see a young life ruined by one mistake.

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    97. FlatTop says:

      What is the “legal” definition of allocate? I looked up the M-W definition, and they define allocate as:

      ” al·lo·cat·ed al·lo·cat·ing

      Definition of ALLOCATE
      transitive verb
      1: to apportion for a specific purpose or to particular persons or things : distribute
      2: to set apart or earmark : designate
      — al·lo·cat·able adjective
      — al·lo·ca·tion noun
      — al·lo·ca·tor noun ”

      Does allocate mean to “seize”? Could a government agent, under the color of law, come up to my homestead, and say “I am here to allocate your food supplies, and your farm tractor”.
      Could I refuse?
      Do I have a legal right to refuse?

      Some history:
      Jewish property was seized by the Nazis. Japanese-Americans had their personal property and business seized by the government. White owned farms were seized by the Zimbabwe government. Or was it allocated? I would be interested in seeing the laws passed to seize Japanese-American property. Was the word “seized” used, or the word “allocate”?

      Another question: Does there need to be a declared state of war, as defined by the Constitution to put this EO into effect? As far as I know, since 9/11, we have been in a war-like state, with armed conflict in Yemen, Philippines, South Korea, Libya, Pakistan, and a drug and terrorism war here within our borders.

      Something else interesting: Recently, farmers has to fill out a mandated survey from the USDA. It asked a bunch of questions, mostly demanding that farmers disclose all assets, like farm equipment. A coincidence?

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      • REB says:

        …like Ive told a lot of farmers who asked me about this survey….the only mandate is that you throw this crap in the trash and refuse to talk to USDA…they have no authority…refuse to deal with them,all they can do is threaten and bluster…unless you give them the authority by contracting/cooperating(like say registering your farm with them or getting a tax exempt number from them) with them…theyre sneaky lying bassturds like the rest of the fedgov…retard morons sitting behind desks and diplomas pretending to know more about farming than a real farmer…I do however concur with your suspicions about this “coincydence”..it aint no coincidence.

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    98. Morgan Rogers says:

      Yet another indication of the ramp up to the next war. They know its coming and are doing their own prepping.

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    99. Anonymous says:

      This is just part of the plan to enslave the people and rape this country of it’s resources

      It started with that traitor George W. Bush with e wink and a nod to the terrorists bombing of the Twin Towers allowing for a gradual and now to to be sudden erosion of our rights in the guise of combating terrorism

      Obama is just the closer on this No wonder they decided killed off Osama Bin Laden. The senile old fool was probably threatening to spill the beans

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    100. iowa says:

      So when my genius daughter graduates from college, I should accept someone kidnapping her to be acceptable?

      I KILL COMMIES FOR FUN!

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      • countryboyseein says:

        Sadly yes, you and your daughter have worked all these years to get her through school and in the end all you’ve done is give her a set of skills the Govt. can choose to conscript at any time. You guys must be patriots…

        Come to think of it, I’ve got a couple degrees…. sh$t!

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      • JustMe says:

        “I am a Christian. That obliges me to be a Communist.”-
        George Bernard Shaw

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    101. Some guy says:

      Thanks for telling me now I will including a few tank of propane tank rigged to my food supply, they try to take it they burn with it. I swear on my life that I will do this.

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      • eric says:

        glad that you are thinking that way, its your right and hopefully when it comes down to it that the national guard will not follow obamas sayings and do the right thing and move along and leave everybody alone. i dont know but i have talked to a few cops and they told me that if a collapse would happen they will not be collecting weapons from people. that was in the midwest.

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    102. streisandfan says:

      What to do? Don’t tell anyone about your resources, and do everything possible to stay “small”. It’s the big farms and private energy producers that they’ll go after.

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      • Iowa says:

        Sure. Just let them mess with the big farms and we’ll be fine. LOL! Isn’t that what they said about the income tax.

        NO. WE GIVE OUR LIVES, OUR TREAUSURE, AND OUR SACRED HONOR TO THE CAUSE OF THE FREEDOM THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE US ON THAT CROSS!

        DISOBEDIENCE TO TYRANTS IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

        DONT TREAD ON ME AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT DESRIBES MY SOUL!

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    103. END the FED says:

      where has the media been on this to ??

      Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians !!!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7mwP5Di5NE&feature=player_embedded

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    104. END the FED says:

      We need Congress to act NOW with a VOTE Up or DOWN on a Balanced Budget Amendment to stop this collapse

      Spread this around we need to push Obama to speed up this it will force Congress to do something other than sitting on their butts while this tyrant is doing the dirty deeds around the globe to cause the acceleration of the collapse of the dollar under the weight of operating debt in our current economy mode of free enterprise .
      Without a Congressional action of a Balanced Budget Amendment that puts in motion a Plan to balance the USA budget we are descending into the collapse of the dollar as world trade currency this is the PLAN , and the way it will happen is when the dollar reaches parity with the basket of global currencies and this will come once the Foreign Bond buyers reject the US Bonds !!!
      We need Congress to act NOW with a VOTE Up or DOWN on a Balanced Budget Amendment to stop this collapse or put a face on those who Stand in the way and expose the Tyranny so we can force a Supreme court ordered Amendment , right now before any formal collapse the Supreme court has to follow OUR RULE Of LAW , but after a declared Collapse of the dollar by world Leaders this sets into Motion the Unity process under the NEW World ORDER which is In Play people Wake UP !!!! Now Fox News is drawing a distinct difference regarding the Executive orders Over reach , Can’t you feel the collapse coming ??? http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/03/19/obamas-executive-order-authorizes-peacetime-martial-law

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    105. END the FED says:

      This is a staged event by the globalists , a behind the scenes worked out plot by them all while they appear in the public eye as Opposition governments , its all a shame , and while they play the shame of conflict between nations lots of mayhem created de population as well as consolidation of Liberty Giving Individual Human Rights into the collective for the Public’s Safety in the eye of destabilization , all in the sense that this will keep a Breakdown in civility from breaking out . You can feel this is what is going on … Check this out and ask if we are at odds with Iran which Russia supports , then why are we doing business with Russia ?

      Why is the Pentagon Buying $1Billion of Helicopters from Terrorist Enabler Russia?

      Russia built the nuke plants in Iran, they are selling weapons to Sudan and Syria. AK-47′s are killing US Soldiers all over the world and the Pentagon is buying $1Billion in helicopters from them?

      Can you say “Sleeping with the enemy”?

      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jTwSYN1mfsy6Uaq0gVQ_Ozd3UbYQ?docId=CNG.c81b92f67b60128221bc14e9e7a882c9.291

      Oh How Telling Our Gas prices be connected to Russia’s Plans !!!
      Why Does Obama Want High Oil Prices? Ask His Boss Putin

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/business/global/vladimir-putins-big-promises-need-fueling-by-high-oil-prices.html?_r=1

      And as the economy and our dollar as world trade currency collapses under the Planned DEBT and Destabilizing events around the world all staged , In the image of this being a good thing ,
      FEMA Corps: The Citizens’ Army Begins Its Recruiting
      http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/03/19/fema-corps-the-citizens-army-begins-its-recruiting/

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    106. CelticNana says:

      I’m not sure which is scarier, the scope of this “Executive Order,” the idea that they will actually use it, or the arrogance of those who so blatantly disregard the honor and spirit of this country. They say they want the country to survive, but survive as what? We’re not starting on the road to totalitarianism, we’ve passed several mile markers. It’s not reported in the mainstream media because they’re too busy trying to make money and I really believe they’re in cahoots with the powers-that-be. Where is Edward R. Murrow when we need him?

      Stock up, pay cash and don’t keep it all in one place. Cache supplies in different locations. Up the Rebels.

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    107. Uncle Chuck says:

      My question is: why is this necessary? What is the government planning for? And PLEASE post references to all answers; I’m looking for real answers, not theory.

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      • Mr. Blutarsky says:

        All you have to do is research Communism and you’ll have your answers.

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      • This government is well aware that the entire monetary system and the economy it supports is heading to the bone yard, the system cannot be sustained with such an economically negative overhang weighing it down. All fiat paper money substitute systems collapse and as they collapse the govrnments that support such systems attempt to maintain it as long as possible due to the fact that such systems form the foundation for their ability to usurp and maintain power. Usually, wisdom would dictate that when such a system is on the verge of such a collapse then the government would return to sound economics and money, but to do so relinquishes the power the government has garnered to itself…the only option for this government now is to grasp as much power as possible under the guise of legitimacy.

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    108. kevin says:

      hey chuck- Their are many in the comment section of this thread. One can not tell you about the matrix, you must see it for your self. The “real answers” as you call them are here, you must filter them yourself. A fact is opposite of theory, if you want facts you gotta watch fox news, they have many.

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      • BRUCE TUTVEDT is a NWO YELLOW COWARD says:

        @kEVIN QUOTE:

        “A fact is opposite of theory, if you want facts you gotta watch fox news, they have many.”

        NinaO Response to Kevin: ARE YOU HIGH??? FOX NEWS is the Zionist Fascist Fed’s Gov News to go to Network! Its a Propaganda News Company! Completely Sold-Out to the NWO!

        check out Zerohedge dot com,,, DProgram dot net,, whatreallyhappened dot com,, if you want to know the Truth!!!

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        • kevin says:

          ninao- You did not understand my humor. This guy was insinuating that only theories are here. I told him to go to fox news if he wanted “facts”. I guess I could have phrased it better.

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    109. A White Guy says:

      To anyone that thinks I like Barack Obomber: No way. The guy’s probably not even a US citizen as his birth certificate appears to be a forgery. He’s an idiot & is making things worse than Bush.

      But, the animosity towards him because he’s half-black is racist. He’s a bad president because of policies, not ethnic background. All ethnicities have their share of assholes.

      Colin Powell would’ve been a good President.

      I am 100% a Ron Paul supporter, an old-school conservative, & a Constitutionalist. The racism I see in these comments just makes the 1%’s job easier. United we stand or divided we fall & the racist idiots may as well go clean toilets & sweep up on Wall Street.

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      • Mclovin says:

        Totally Agree White Guy, I voted for Obama while I was in Iraq and I clearly noticed from talking with my fellow-enlisted guys that they knew little or nothing about Obama but knew he was a “faggot”, while refusing to ever admit to it being due to his race or ethnicity. I no longer support Obama, but the thinly veiled-racism that has closely followed since his campaign began still sickens me. It is possible to have the occasional racist thoughts without being a “racist” as we all do it- some more than others, but when you do it at least have the conviction to own up to it.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Hey white guy- Wheres all this racism your cryin about?? Did I miss a comment when I went through reading them? I don’t remember any comment about him being half white? Here is a tissue.

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        • Anonymous says:

          White guy- the anon 2:23 was me. (something happened) If a white president sent blacks off to war and 90% of ALL casualties were black, people like you would yell RACISM. Well, its a BLACK president sending WHITES to war with WHITES being 90% of the casualties. WHAT do you call that? AFFIRMATIVE ACTION?

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          • kevin says:

            These 2 anon was me, for some reason didn’t post my name. I have xm radio, and I listen to the “black” radio shows from time to time. ALL they talk about is racism,racism,racism,racism and racism. Most of our black brothers and sisters are going to be broadsided by economic collapse and the acsent of facsism. Only a very small minority of them will be prepared for it. I blame people like those hosts on xm,jesse jack$$, and al UNsharpton. Those people use race to make money, and the system uses race to divide us. BLACK SHEOPLE WAKE UP! (I know, I am a racist.)

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      • SD Mule says:

        White Guy,

        How can you be a Ron Paul fan and at the same time think that Colin Powell would be a good president? You don’t rise to his level without being a go-along-to- get- along person. He would “step and fetch it” just like the rest of them. Wise up!!

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    110. Joeseph says:

      1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

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    111. anonymous6.8 says:

      The military and the police are “follow orders” cultures. From minute one, day one if you don’t learn anything else you learn to do what you are told. Citing Howard Zinn’s A Peoples’ History of the U.S. as a source from the recently victorious American War for Independence troops under GW putting down the Whiskey Rebellion to yesterday’s police gassing the OWS protestors society’s hired force has a sorry history of being the power elite’s thug against the people. I hope you “our men would never do that” are right. But history says otherwise. All that is needed is to identify peaceful people as “other” or “a threat” and you’ll never seen so many innocents murdered so fast. Especially if it means getting shot on the spot for insubordination do you think some 19-year old kid is gonna tell his 22 year old LT “no sir, I’m not going to mow down the Jones family.”

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