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    Dr. Doom Warns Of Major Market Crash This Fall: “20 Percent, Maybe More”

    Mac Slavo
    August 9th, 2013
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    He made the crash call ahead of the 2008 crash, and predicted the market turn-around in 2009 to the exact day on which it happened.

    Now Dr. Marc Faber of the Gloom, Boom and Doom Report is warning of an imminent stock market meltdown yet again.

    Based on analysis of current stock market prices and the overall value of stock market indexes like the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones, Faber warns that, while we are seeing near all-time highs, the valuations are nothing but conjecture.

    Looking at the makeup of the major indexes, it’s clear that their high values have become dependent on a small number of companies. A peak into what’s happening behind the scenes,however, shows that scores of other companies are being crushed because of weak earnings and a poor forwarding looking economic outlook.

    This, according to Dr. Doom, is remarkably similar to what we saw in the days and weeks leading up to the 1987 crash.

    It’s a recipe for disaster.

    [In 1987] we had a very powerful rally, but also earnings were no longer rising substantially and the market became very overbought and the final rally into August 25th occurred with a diminishing number of stock hitting 52 week highs. In other words, the new high list was contracting and we had several breaks in different stocks.

    And if you look at the last two days, it’s remarkable.

    We’re close to the all-time highs at 1,709 on the S&P [500] and yesterday and the day before there were 170 new 52-week lows.

    That’s a very high figure.

    [By the end of this year I see the market closing] lower than today.

    Maybe 20%. Maybe more.


    (Watch at CNBC)

    For those invested in stock markets, it may be time to take a short break. Based on recent earnings, current economic sentiment, and continued degradation in national employment figures, there is a serious disconnect between what Wall Street wants you to think and what’s actually happening on Main Street.

    This may not be the “collapse” that the U.S. government has been preparing for, but a stock market downturn of this magnitude could well wreak havoc all over the world, and for all we know could be the trigger for widespread calamity.

    Just as we saw in 2008, when the selling starts, the panic follows. This means that investors will sell everything in sight first, and ask questions later. The effect, should markets slide, will be a price drop in just about every asset linked to paper trading markets, including gold, silver, commodities, tech, and retail. Even ammunition and firearms companies, which have seen huge demand in recent years, will likely take a hit.

    Nothing will be spared when the herd goes into panic mode.

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    1. unknown suspect says:

      A big High 5 to all here that put day to day items and foodstuffs away for a rainy day. Anybody else that failed to heed the hand writing on the wall- tough shit!

      • braveheart says:

        Unknown suspect, welcome to our site; you’re in the right place. I’ve been prepping forever and still prepping. You’re especially right about the nonpreppers. braveheart

        • Gods Creation says:

          The market may not act “normally” as it has in the past. Bernanke’s helicopter money has to go somewhere, and there is almost nil participation by the man on the street anymore.

          It’s all high speed computerized trading and a crash will cause the bernanke money to evaporate overnight. Maybe that is the plan for the BS bucks.

          It may hurt confidence on main street, but it will remove a lot of the hyperinflated money from the streets too. The banks may be planning to steal from those in the 90-99% range, leaving the 1% untouched.

          Who knows for sure, but if you have any money in the banks this late in the game you deserve to lose it anyway.

          • durango kidd says:

            A 20% decline is not a “crash” it is a correction. Even a 40 or 50% “crash’ is not SHTF. Uncle Ben’s “helicopter money” goes to the banks. 80% of those funds are retained as “excess reserves”. Much of that QE is now going to European Banks.

            That’s right folks! You bailed out American Gangster Banksters and now you are bailing out European Gangster Banksters. Are you feeling the green weenie yet? :-)

            Engage your employees or be impoverished by them. Its “town hall” time for Congress. Get to a meeting with your Rep and let your Barnhardt out!

            Death to the NWO! :-)

            • yental says:

              I must admit DK, you are starting to sound like the “voices in my head”. There seems to be a “unified field” that is finally coalescing into a “singularity of thought” among “evil preppers and constitutionalist critical thinkers.

              Hopefully…NOT TOO LITTLE TOO LATE! :)!

              • durango kidd says:

                Its never too late to oppose tyranny. Never. The Soviets had been in power for 70 years. Daffy Gaddaffy more than 40. Marcos since WWII. The bigger they are, the more likely they will fall if the people will rise up and resist their employees.

                Divine Providence is with all Patriots. The future of America is Freedom, but we must claim that Freedom, like Edward Snowden did.

                If not US, who? If not now, when? Engage. :-)

                • averageguy says:

                  Engage what, numbnuts?

                  Write a letter? Ha.

                  Call your congress-critter? Ha Ha.

                  Lobby your representatives? What a joke suggestion.

                  “town hall” time for Congress? Are you stupid or what?

                  You really don’t understand how the system works, do you?

                  What the hell are you doing that is so successful?

                  … crickets. That’s what I thought.

                • Sheeple#1 says:

                  Dk… I thought you would have known better…? muammar gaddafi was targeted by the US. Look into the real reasons America or the tptb started an insurgency there. I know u don believe what’s on t.v so the second they said he had lost it…. Lmao big red flag for “he threatens the power structure” everybody please read about what really happened in Libya

                  Fits perfectly with this article

                • possee says:

                  dk

                  There is overwhelming evidence that all the tyranny mentioned was well financed by the banks here and in London especially..

                  the banks are now turning their instruments of mass destruction upon the very people who financed them..

                  America and the brits..through our well confiscated earnings through taxation via the federal reserve..

                  Enjoy the day..

                  possee

                • durango kidd says:

                  Sheeple”1: The CIA didn’t bring down Gadaffy. It was hundreds of thousands of little people, average guys and gals, who filled the streets.

                  The CIA didn’t flood the streets of Cairo, or Beijing, Manila, or Moscow with hundreds of thousands of people. It was the average guy and gal with the Spirit of Liberty in their hearts who confronted the tyranny in these countries.

                  I suppose it was the CIA or some other nefarious US government agency that empowered ONE MAN to stop a line of tanks by stepping in front of the lead tank and saying , in effect, “Over my dead body!” ?

                  These acts of defiance in the face of overwhelming odds and governmental power, is a Spirit of Liberty that will, IS empowering Americans to retake their country from the PTB. NONE of these examples were people who had the advantages that WE do.

                  The train is leaving the station. If you love America, if all you love is YOUR own personal liberty, now is the time to join those who are taking it to the PTB and demanding their Constitutional rights.

                  Join the Tea Party as they take over the Retards, and lend your voice and support to their efforts. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you believe you are powerless you are: and that is EXACTLY what the NWEO PTB want you to believe. They want you to be discouraged, disillusioned, and defeated. Read the Art of War.

                  Naysayers NEVER make a difference in this world. Only true believers make an impact because true believers say “yes”. True believers initiate action. They organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote.

                  They do not want your resistance. they do not want you to vote, or be active politically. They retreat when the American people get on their high horse and say, “NO!” in no uncertain terms.

                  Lead, follow, or get out of the way. :-)

                • Sheeple#1 says:

                  I didn’t mention the CIA. Regardless I made a reference to the movement in Libya, it was not organic and was completely created. Research it. And the reason it was created. When a dictator plays by America’s rules America sits by and watches.mwhen they don’t we are suddenly humanitarians who drop bomb on everyone. War is peace right…? Sheeple are easily persuaded. And it was no different in Libya the movement was shifted and formed to fit the mold. Look who is in power there now and what he has done since being”elected”. Anyway. I’ve lived war. So ur book reference… Which I’ve also read is irrelevant to me thank but no thanks for the help. Lol give my money and time to a politician… Sounds like a winner…politics is the way a weak man gains power. Not through intellect but through deception. Ask yourself if the tea party is immune to corruption… Is the republican.? The puppet master has a donkey and elephant in his right hand and a tea cup in the other. All the same game… Make a real stand . Do not pay your taxes. Do not donate to politicians. Inform as many service members about the truth as u can. Real people not parties make a difference I can agree with that. True patriots are murdered when revealed timing is everything I think your a shill. Peace

                • durango kidd says:

                  Sheeple#1: your point is well taken, and THAT is exactly my point. Regardless of who initiated the movement, the movement for Freedom would not have been successful if hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in Libya only needed a spark to set them off.

                  The environment in Libya is no different than America today. Many tens of millions of Americans want their Freedom back; and they are looking for leadership to show them the way back. Not the stupidity of Adam Koresh in DC but intelligent leadership like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

                  Engage your employees NOW America, or be enslaved by them! :-)

            • yental says:

              This short video does a fine job of putting a humorous twist on a “plan of action” recently developing on this site.

            • Just wait until the Republicans pass immigration reform; there will be more gangs than you can imagine looking for people to kill and steal from.

              Mad Max on steroids.

            • Stevo says:

              Durango, do you mean ‘Ann’ Barnhardt the crazy cool warrior w/the pink AR?
              Wish we could clone her and lock her in a room with
              Nancy Pelosi…
              Haaa

              • laura m. says:

                DK, et al: Tea party groups are shallow social clubs with a focus on lowering taxes, but are total flops like Eagle forum the JBS,etc which have been controlled by the CFR Heritage fnd. for decades. If voting was dangerous to the Elite, it would be outlawed. Voting is a farce rigged for sure on all levels. Communicate/organize with local patriots for bartering purposes; donate things you don’t need to local charities, and never send money to political groups which all produce nil. Hunker down stay low key; The train has left the station headed over the abyss esp when Obummer allows Muslim clerics to pray before congress for past few years; we’ve been conquered folks!!

                • durango kidd says:

                  Laura m: Typical loser BS, for which you are famous Laura. Only 129 million votes were cast in the last election including the dead voters in the Blue States. Dumb white bitches like you stayed home. That is why the PTB do not fear the electorate.

                  They do fear elections, which is why they pander to every possible group and make promises they do not intend to keep.

                  Until the American people rise up and take control of the political process from the cronyism that passes as legislation, OUR employees will continue to erode OUR liberties.

                  I have read your bullshit at other sites as well, Laura. It is clear that you are a paid government troll for the spreading disillusion, fear, and malaise to unsuspecting readers.

                  Nice try. It won’t work. :-)

                • averageguy says:

                  Oh I see, we just need to engage the whorehouse, clean it up a bit, and leave the institution standing. That should fix things. Ha. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss? I much prefer laura m.’s approach.

              • durango kidd says:

                average guy: No we don’t clean it up a bit. WE sweep the fucking House clean of commies, fascists, and NWO Globalists. Then We start on the Senate.

                Laura doesn’t have a plan and neither do you! :-)

          • 41MagMan says:

            “Who knows for sure, but if you have any money in the banks this late in the game you deserve to lose it anyway.”

            I dunno, guys. I have a very hard time saying that anyone “deserves” to be pillaged by banksters, government, Wall Street, et al. Do we not all have people in our own family whom we love dearly who do not prep and who have money in the banks? Sure we do. Yes, we have warned them to the point that they no longer listen to us and who think that we are nuts but do we really love them any the less? No, I don’t believe that we do. If anything, we work and prep all the more, knowing that they WILL need us more than they ever thought possible.

            • Gods Creation says:

              MagMan,

              I understand your point, but if you leave your new 2013 convertible BMW out with the top down and the keys in the ignition in the middle of the ghetto all night long, is it really the car thief who is at fault?

              We live in the banksters high crime area. Their crimes are well known and easily verifiable to anyone who is not too lazy to look at a few facts and use common sense.

              If you are not willing to use the brain God put in your head, you are responsible for the consequences of that failure.

              Not you personally, but those who keep their money in the bank or stock market when they SHOULD know better. I have little sympathy for them if they lose everything they trusted to known criminals.

              Seriously, they don’t even bother to hide their crimes anymore. Those who do not see are too lazy to look, and yes, they deserve their fate.

            • ronnyquest says:

              The looters have had a field day with us. The looter mentality is deeply entrenched in our society. We need to start hanging them from tall trees. TANSTAAFL.

              The “electorate” refers to the electoral College, which actually elects the president, not the popular vote. Your vote does not matter in the grand scheme of things. This was done by design, because the average citizen is too stupid and uninformed to be responsible for the political process. All the TV ads are out there simply to generate popular support to make the transition to the new administration (or in keeping the old one) easier. It’s done to keep us from rising up and throwing them out (or hanging them).

        • unknown suspect says:

          Thank you! I’ve been on here awhile. I read it daily and check throughout the day for updates and make comments from time to time.

          I started prepping in the 80′s, I didn’t consider it prepping at the time. Just making sure I had enough “golf clubs and balls” in case the soviets showed up. They never showed. We grew our own instead, so kept putting away things that would come in handy if it all went down.

          As to nonpreppers- I consider them potential zombies. They’ll be the unwashed masses that will do whatever it takes to procure what is yours. I try to educate, some listen, most do not. I Know the ones that don’t listen will be the ones I will see in my sight picture someday.

          Mac- You’re doing a smokin great job with this site! Even JWR admitted you’ve done some good work.

          Thanks again :)

          • possee says:

            Ignore ALL the proselytizers preaching crash and burn scenarios in ANY time frame….depression.collapse..end of the world as we know it..etc

            It will come some day..maybe in our lifetime in one form or another..

            maybe not.

            But preparing for any disaster is prudent..be it financial,weather related or any other situation..

            We must still live day to day and enjoy what little bounty we have..the smile of our spouse, our children, our grandchildren and loved ones and friends..

            We should not live in constant fear of anything whatsoever…

            Just heed the advice of those who know their respective professions..and apply it to your individual situation as needed..

            No one on this earth knows exactly when and if the shtf will occur..but be ready for it..

            possee

            • pissinwiththewind says:

              I beg to differ, Mr./Ms. possee.

              There is soon coming a SHTF calamity that will rock the foundations of the world. We are approaching the countdown “phase”. The pinnacle of the “phase” will take place in September 2015.

              Will it be the end of the world as we know it? I can’t say for sure. Most likely we will witness mass death totals before then. The Mid-East War Balloon is about to burst and it will result in mass graves. “If”, TPTB can somehow hold it down over the next two years, then September 2015 “could” be the “big one” event.

              By now you are asking; WTF does this guy know?

              I have been studying Bible prophecy, dates and patterns, and linking everything with the world events up to the current. I’ve been doing this for many years.

              This is “part” of what I have thus far:

              #1. God uses signs in the moon and sun. God uses numerology and numerology linked with the Hebrew language. Gods prophetic word is correct 100% of the time and is 100% on cue if the patterns and dates line up. Having said that, one must consider that God’s timeclock, and our Gregorian and the previous Julian
              calanders aren’t always on cue. Adjustments have been made and it is said that; “a designation of years evenly divisible by 4,000 as common (not leap) years, will keep the calendar accurate to within one day in 20,000 years.” The main thing to consider is that “solar” is accurate since the dawn of time, except; when God has changed/stopped the sun from moving on it’s normal routine. Possibly, a day or two difference. But, I’m not predicting an exact day or hour anyway. I’m talking about a 30 day period and the “season”.

              #2. The Lunar eclipses when lined up with a Solar eclipse in with the four events are and have been significant to Biblical and modern world events.

              These “lunar eclipses” are spoken of in the Bible as “blood red moons”. As the nation/House of Israel is used by God as a sign or marker of turning points in history or as an example to the world in general; we read that the “blood red moons/lunar eclipses” are his way of posting his signature or fingerprints to such big events. Basically letting those that have eyes to see that, He is still on the throne and in control and events only happen by His “timeframe”, not man’s.

              Without getting into all the details as I have them in my unfinished book, I’ll start with the year, 1492, set of eclipses and give the event.
              In 1492 the Christopher Columbus expedition to discover the New World as a “new homeland” for the Israelite/Jewish peoples that had settled the areas of the western Europe. All the Caucasian peoples of that area originated out of the ten tribes of Israel that had migrated North from the land of Israel. Under persecution, the Jewish/Israelite element in Spain was responsible for the “financing” and further cause of the settling of the “new world” known as America; later to be split as USA and Canada. Religious freedom, as granted by God, was at the “core” of the event. In other words God had his hand on, and in, the whole event. Not a coincidence.

              In March of 1949, Israel was accepted as a nation and member by the United Nations. There was a set of four lunar eclipses and a solar eclipse during the 1949 and 1950 years.

              In 1967 and 1968 the same set of eclipses took place when Israel defeated it’s enemies against overwhelming odds and regained Jerusalem as it’s capital and more importantly, God given Holy city.

              Now get this; Beginning on April 14th, 2014 there will be four Blood red Moons/total Lunar Eclipses, with the second on Oct 8th,2014, the third on April 4th,2015, and the fourth on Sept. 28th, 2015 (Jesus’ true birthday) following celebration of Yom Kippur of that year. A Total Solar Eclipse will take place on March 20th, 2015.

              # 3. It has been confirmed many times that God operates in “Sevens”, as the number seven means spiritual completeness and perfection.
              On September 11th, 2001; the world was turned up side down by an epic event that was comparable to the dropping of the A bombs on Japan in 1945 where approximately 200,000 + deaths resulted. The 9-11 event was the first “shaking” of America/House of Israel (in God’s eyes). Remember, the House of Judah is restored to the “land/Nation of Israel and the “House” or other “Ten” tribes are “primarily” in western Europe and North America, as the Caucasian/intermixes of people.

              # 4. In September 2008, the economies of the world went into a tailspin with the banking/stock market failures. The event happened seven years to the exact month from 9-11. Wall Street saw a 7 % loss with the market losing 777 points in 7 hours. Ummm? Coincidence? This was the 2nd shaking. According to Johnathan Cohn in his book “Harbinger”, the first two “shakings” of America, took place exactly seven years to the day and hours (based on the Hebrew calendar). I believe Hebrew was the original language created by God and used by him.

              #5 With the world going crazy for political correctness and coveting of stuff and $$$, we see a decline in the worship and thankfulness to a loving and forgiving Creator. Everyone seems to be living for “self” and thru a sense of “prideful arrogance”. I truly believe the third shaking will coincide with the seven year cycle from September 9th,2001; and will be in direct alignment with the fourth lunar eclipse in September 28th, 2015. Many other signs point to this time frame of which I can’t get into now.

              There will be other events between this September 2013, and September 2015. The next “big” event, I see, that will fulfill prophecy, is the destruction of the city of Damascus, Syria to the point that it “never becomes a city again”. I believe this coincides with the wars that kill a third of mankind spoken of in Revelation. Whether the destruction of Damascus happens just prior to, in the middle of, or at the end of this war, I don’t know. But, I do see these two events on the horizon and as a precursor to other prophetic events unfolding.

              I put this word out there, not to try and put fear into the believers, but for uplifting and as a warning to get their “house in order”. I see nonbelievers as ignoring any and all signs that put a halt to their self-loving lifestyles. Sad to say, I don’t see any positive change for America, or the world until our Saviour returns. In fact I see some hard and heartbreaking times ahead for the lost. The people that do have means and privilege,
              may think they are on top; but, without Jesus, they are living a lie and will suffer the cup of wrath as it will be poured out upon the earth. This generation will see that day of the Lord. Proselytizing, I am not, for everyone has to sail their own ship as i see it. Teaching out of compassion, I am doing. My reward isn’t in this realm or earth age anyway.

              Peace,
              PWTW.

              • Prescott says:

                pissinwiththewind: Your piece sounds more like astrology and witchcraft than Biblical prophecy. Please quote your source(s) for these events and their dates.

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  Asstrology? I think not. Witchcraft? You must have watched too many Harry Potter movies. Don’t worry about it. Carry on with your worldly treasures and pleasures and see where it gets you.

                • Prescott says:

                  pissinthewind: Never seen nor read any of those silly stories. Since you seem to be a little ‘slow’, I’ll ask again; please quote books, chapters, and verses of the Bible from whence you gleaned all of this ‘information’. You mix some biblical texts with those outside the Bible. That is a sign of an unclean spirit, 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

              • kynase says:

                Though I am impressed with your detailed analysis, I must provide this quote from Mark 13:33-34, “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come.”

                I don’t think any of us can truly predict the date and prophecy is easy to manipulate.

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  @ kynase,

                  Yea, i see what you mean and where you are twisting my predictions. As i pointed out, I’m “not” predicting for a precise “hour or day”, or an event as great as the return of Christ. That would be foolish on my part.

                  What I am predicting, based on markers,signs and past events; is a major shaking of the world by an event or events that has the hand of God on it as a direct warning.

                  Could it be the end of this age? Yes, but a lot of things must happen between now and April 29th 2015 for that dispensation of time to come about.

                  I don’t really care if you or Piss-cott, think that my prediction is bs. I’m just sayin’, wake up and look around. The end of the age is drawing nigh, and the majority are in for a real shaking up in all areas of their lives.

                • The Old Coach says:

                  Keep it up, peeinthewind. Do it often enough, and long enough, and someday, SOMEDAY you’ll be been right. And all those times you were wrong won’t count for nothin’ then, will they? {/sarc off}

                • knightowl77 says:

                  I believe that you have taken the quote out of context….Read the sentence before

                  What no one knows is when Heaven and Earth pass away….

                  31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

                  32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

                  Jesus tells us to watch so that he will NOT come as a thief in the night

              • Merree says:

                Incidentally, blood red moon is a description of a full lunar eclipse. The next one occurs on October 18.

              • Justice says:

                Dude,
                Many have predicted that end of the world. Like them you are wrond. Sorry. I realize you feel as if you have some special gift or insight. You don’t. Please talk to a proferssional. Right now your’e a little Dinky Dow.

            • Road Runner says:

              Possee: pray you be accounted worthy to escape all these things coming upon the earth and to stand before the son of man! Sounds a little different from what you have proposed. When you see these things BEGIN to come to pass, look up your redemption draweth nigh. What is the chaff to the wheat.

              Then: they were eating and drinking and sudden destruction came upon them. Where is the promise of his coming? All things continue the same!

              What we sew we reap!

        • Night breaker says:

          Braveheart,
          You were right about our RHINO NJ governer he signed .all of the gun bills , except for three which he will probably sign or they will become law by defalt ( The 45 day rule) Even Jim Rawles site said the second admendment is dead in NJ.
          Guess its time to hunker down big time when all this goes down , the timing of his vote with what this article describes will create a very unpleasant situation in this state of nearly 8 million , luckily I live in probably the only rural southern NJ area left with the great pine barrens between us and the urban centers. it may help and it may not . during Revolutionary war times the barrens provided a haven for patriots fighting for independence , so it may again .
          About the only saving grace there is, some of the laws will be phased in over time this allows for the prudent to prepare in a ” last call” to get needed items . OPSEC will be a very valuable term.
          Be glad you live in a free state .

          FORTUNE FAVOURS THE PREPARED

          PREP , PREPARE , TRUST IN GOD ,

          ALEA IACTA EST

          RESIST

          Semper Fi 8541

          • KY Mom says:

            2ND AMENDMENT UNDER FIRE

            DEMOCRAT MANUAL: HOW TO LIE ABOUT GUN CONTROL

            “Strategy document offers tips on manipulating public’s emotions”

            “The 80-page document titled “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging,” also urges gun-control advocates use images of frightening-looking guns and shooting scenes to make their point.”

            “The manual offers a step-by-step guide on how to stir up sympathy for victims, arrest the “moral authority” from opposing groups like the National Rifle Association and keep the debate emotional instead of allowing facts to interfere.”

            WND dot com

            • KY Mom says:

              Direct links…

              DEMOCRAT MANUAL: HOW TO LIE ABOUT GUN CONTROL
              http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/democrat-manual-how-to-lie-about-gun-control/

              (the actual manual)
              Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging
              http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf

              • Them Guys says:

                Todays Grandkids of Yesterdays original Kommies/Marxists, is who wrote that DNC antigun manual. And like their Grandparents before them, they used the exact same Style and attitudes their Grandpappys used in writing the Marx Kommie Manifesto, as well as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. One and the Same bunch.

                Compare them to what Christ said: “Ye are Of Your Father the Devil, Satan. The Lusts of Your father satan ye shall do…he, satan, was a LIAR a THIEF and a MURDERER, from the very Begining.”

                What Christ said back 2000 yrs ago to those earlier Forefathers, of those 1900 era Marxist and elders of Zion Kommies, who were the grandpappys of Todays, zionist marxist kommies has not changed one Iota. And just proves that although 2000 yrs has gone by since Christ originally spoke it…These totally Reprobate-Evil-Satanic sons and daughters of the Devil’s “Seed”(read parable of wheat and tares)….Have not ever changed nor repented in that 2000 yrs so far, and while God Alone knows if any ever shall repent?…No Sane betting person at this late date would ever place even a single dollar bet that, if more time passes they shall finally change or repent. We may not have Gods Pre knowledge of the future on these issues…But I do believe it fair to say a good guess of will they finally repent even after 2000 yrs of not doing so?…I’d say 99+% NO! Never shall they do so. Will be proven historically to have been a very good guess.

                Therefore I shall remain Glued,and Bound to one of the oldest things I recall from childhood days, when at age 4-5 yrs old I first learned that: “The Only good Kommie…Is a DEAD Kommie!”….Shortly afterwards, when entering Kindergarten at age 5yrs old, I learned the Second oldest thing I recall from younger days…That was:”I Rather be Dead…Than to turn Red”(as in Kommie reds).

                Now 55 yrs later, I still find zero faulty thinking in those two wisdoms, and furthermore, I highly recomend All true americans and Patiots latch on to such wisdom and belief’s too…You cannot go wrong with Truth.

            • islander says:

              “frightening looking guns and shooting scenes” , sounds like a swat raid to me

            • john1028 says:

              Also watch what’s happening in the schools very closely. Kids are being suspended for very silly infractions involving guns; drawing pictures of them, biting pop tarts in the shape of guns, etc.

              They are making our kids so afraid to think about guns in any way, it will be simple to pass any gun legislation they want in 10 years when these kids are all voting.

      • California Resident says:

        @ unknown suspect

        I agree 100%.

        Might I also indicate that if anyone reading hasn’t done so already, they should be learning some kind of barter-able skill, such as gunsmithing, piloting, bushcraft, canning, agriculture (aquaponics), wind generated power, or even creating something as simple as an action plan for homeschooling.

        Other than that, learn to function off the grid as much as possible; no banks, no credit cards, no texting, learn to leave the cell phone at home and replace it with concealed carry.

        Knowledge is survival, and understand that your mouth can be your worst enemy in the future scheme of things, especially where it comes to your children.

        • LoboLady2007 says:

          Soap making would also be a bart-able trade as well as would sewing would be a bartable trade. You can learn to make all sorts of personal care items with soap being just one such item.

        • kynase says:

          California Resident-

          When the SHTF I hope that you are living in southern California…you seem like the type of person I’d like to have on my team. :)

          • pissinwiththewind says:

            The area of southern Cali. may well be under the Pacific ocean by then.

            • Professor Higgins says:

              pissinwiththe wind: As a typical uneducated American, your understanding of geology is nil. Believing in television stories, movies, and other such fatuous nonsense, it’s small wonder that the rest of the world laughs at you people. California has many earth quake faults, the largest being the San Andreas which is a ‘strike-slip’ fault. None of the types of faults, and there are many different types, will cause California to slip under the ocean. But then again I cannot expect someone with your obvious limited intellect to follow even this simple example from geology 101. I am sure that all the negative responses will come from those of you in the various ‘service’ industries with room temperature IQs. And no, I do not want fries with my order.

              • pissinwiththewind says:

                kudos to you Higgy, for getting my handle right.

                You show your arrogance and ignorance by responding to such remarks. Neither I nor you can predict what will transpire when the faults/plates make a major shift.

                You show your fake preponderance on matters that are better left to the higher caliber of informed; such as “Be Informed”. I trust his ideas and studies of matters relating to earthquakes and faults.

                If you were so damn intelligent, you wouldn’t be wasting time making foolish accusations towards a servant of our Heavenly Father. All you have done is open yourself up to chastisement and correction; unless, God has already wiped His hands of you.

                Either way; have a good trip.

                • Professor Higgins says:

                  pissinwiththewind: “Be Informed” is in all probably, like you, another recipient of your infamous GED award for those too simpleminded or lazy to even pass your poor excuse for high school here in America. BI merely reads the USGS website then regurgitates some of its more salient points. That’s what we in academia call plagiarism and that doesn’t require anything more than an ability to read simple sentences. It certainly doesn’t make him a geological expert. The fact is that neither one of you have stepped inside a college geology classroom, or any college for that matter, so stop pretending to intellect that you could no more posses than a home that doesn’t come with wheels and delivered to a park by truck. Now I’m sure that you may have seen a college and perhaps you have even attended a school that called itself one, but trade schools don’t count as a real education young fellow. And please wash your greasy little fingers before sending me another one of your pseudointellectual missives.

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  Chuck you Farley! I’m retired at the age of 57. I owned, operated, and successfully sold three legitimate businesses.

                  The people you look down on, may well be your executioners some day. If you were a real Professor, you wouldn’t be wasting time surfing the web looking for honest people to attack, so as to bloat your over-blown ego even more.

                  No, I think you are a product of the “Occupy Crowd”, that have upper middle income to wealthy parents that had rather spend a quarter million dollars on a degree that gathers dust. They were “too good” and “too proud” to send your sorry ass to a trade school where you could be making an honest living. They would rather have you waiting tables at a fine dining establishment, living at home, and blame your lack of work ethic and worthless BS degree on the right winged conservatives.

                  You are the epitome of what is wrong with America. Shut your spoofing pie hole and start doing something that helps build up Americans instead of tearing them down with you liberalists,leftists,pro-faggot(maggot) ideology. Quit living off of Momma’s teat, and make a living doing something worthwhile.

          • California Resident says:

            @ kynase

            Thanks for the compliment. I’m in the central valley.

            Let’s hope a true SHTF scenario never fully comes to fruition.

            • Professor Higgins says:

              pissinwiththewind: I was born into a low income home where my father worked himself silly to get us all the up into the middle income status. As for me, I too am retired and bit older than you. I worked my way through university, but it wasn’t too terribly hard with an IQ of 170. You fancy yourself as one of God’s servants or perhaps deluded enough to think that you’re even one of his messengers, but your language towards me says otherwise. And please don’t feign righteous indignation and use that as an excuse for your childish outbursts. Just another phony Christian full of hatred towards those with a differing point of view. As to your so-called businesses; what were they a newspaper route, and a lemonade stand?

              • Perfesser Huggies says:

                An IQ of 170? Please. People with that level of intelligence do not spend their time trolling around on survivalist websites looking for religious arguments. Retired or otherwise, they’ll want to employ their time judiciously with the gift they have been given. Anybody can claim to be an internet hero or genius without the burden of having to supply any proof whatsoever. You may as well tell all here your IQ is 200, nobody will believe you either way.

                • Professor Higgins says:

                  pisinwiththe wind: Quite contrary Laddy Boy! My superior intellect led me to other fields outside of science including economics where I learned to read the markets with a high degree of accuracy. I was able to avoid all the market downturns and make a sizeable sum which allowed me to retire in my mid 50′s. With all that money, and my free time, I donate them to a number of charities and service organizations. Now whether you or others consider that a judicious use of my time and talents is of no concern to me. I do these things because they are necessary and morally right. As to your accusation of “trolling”, I search many a varied sites, books, papers, etc. in order to get a fuller picture of the political and economic picture. This practice has aided my financial success greatly in the past will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. You deem me to be some ivory-towered boob who’s out of touch with reality but nothing could be further from the truth. I’ve see the ineptness of our political and financial leaders for decades and it is only getting worse. I see it building to a crescendo where one little thing will start the cascade. We have been in a slow collapse for some time, but something, perhaps something small, will start an acceleration that will bring the entire system down on our heads. The wise see danger and take refuge, but the foolish keep going and are punished. Many of my fellow geniuses are fools, they think things a good and some think things are actually better. I do not. You can now say you know a man who is both a genius and wise.

              • pissinwiththewind says:

                What a crock of shit!…IQ? You can’t even seperate fantasy from reality. Some people with autisim have a 170 IQ. It’s how they are able to explain and express their intelligence that makes the difference.

                Your very own words show you are a troubled individual that has made himself a “mini-god”. The very fact that you are sitting around trolling sites/at least one here, lets us regulars see that you don’t have friends and are truly miserable. Common sense goes a long way and we can see you don’t have any. Lucky? Maybe.

                As a Christian, I am not a second class citizen as you would have people think. A Christian has an obligation to “not” let others walk all over them and try to degrade them. We are children of light, not darkness. We call out fakes and falsehoods wherever and whenever we see it/them.

                I have called you out, and you have shown your cards. I actually feel sorry, for your sorry ass, and to show it I have asked God to bring conviction upon you so that you will possibly do some soul searching. You will begin to notice some changes in your life. How you react to those changes will determine if they are negative or positive. God have mercy.

                PWTW

      • americuh says:

        Yeah, except they are going to swarm those of us who have tried to prepare.

        • California Resident says:

          @ americuh

          “Preparation” doesn’t stop at just having stuff for the future. It also encompasses the mental preparation required to pull that trigger when they “swarm those of us who have tried to prepare”.

          Let’s face it, for most of us “pulling that trigger” is the weakest link in that chain of preps.

          I can’t imagine anything I fight with more frequently than the thought of taking another human life – regardless of any immediate or overwhelming threat or justification.

          • americuh says:

            Someone stealing one of our chickens would not be shot, I am not that hardened. Unless of course they tried to hurt the dog that was chasing them.
            You and those who depend on you have a natural right to defend yourselves. We can hope and pray to never have to face that “overwhelming threat”, but if it ever comes “swing away”. There is no commandment that says: Thou shalt be a victim and let thugs injure or murder you and your loved ones.

            • Yuri says:

              “Someone stealing one of our chickens would not be shot”

              Better re-read your Locke. In the absence of law and the civil society, that’s exactly what you must do.

              • americuh says:

                I will defer to a higher authority than Locke. My interpretation of the Bible is thieves are to be punished but not killed, except for “thieves in the night”. It is understood they are dangerous and jeopardize the household.

        • Gregory8 says:

          americuh: And just how will these “swarms” know who is and is not prepared? Anyone who has practiced OPSEC will look and act just like everyone else (not standing out).

          • americuh says:

            The swarms will probably be gangs and hordes spreading out from the city after stripping it to the bone. They would be raiding every home or farm they come across.
            No doubt they will be thinned out, but for those of us who only have a family or very small group it will be very difficult to stop them.

        • 41MagMan says:

          “Yeah, except they are going to swarm those of us who have tried to prepare.”

          No, they are going to TRY to swarm those of us who HAVE prepared. Good luck to them with that. Allow me to predict that they aren’t going to have any better luck with that than they have with their non-prepping plans.

          • americuh says:

            Yeah a 41 mag would stop just about anything, but wouldn’t want bad guys that close. You probably have that covered, but please don’t respond how, as the NSA may be keeping track. Someone mentioned OPSEC, that should go for internet posts too.

        • Perfesser Huggies says:

          These are indeed wonderful claims you’ve made professor, as stated previously, you are relieved of any burden of having to provide an ounce of proof. Let me take issue with your statement about your father working so hard to get you into the middle class. Anybody with an IQ of 170 is an exceptionally rare breed. They would be discovered at an early age. All major universities or technical institutes would be bending over backward to offer that person a full scholarship. The cost of that for your father would have been zero.

          Next, this is the second time you’ve claimed an IQ of 170 on this site. This is rather confusing because anyone in possession of such high intellect would presumably not feel the urgent need to broadcast this, especially twice. This would seem to indicate an inferiority complex on behalf of the claimant. Indeed, it would be the equivalent of someone with an IQ of 110 hanging out on a website where the average IQ is 75, hardly stimulating or interesting for our 110 individual to carry on a conversation, no? Of course not, he wishes to have conversation with his intellectual peers, not play king of the mountain with the retarded.

          In conclusion, your responses to people always seem to contain a vindictive, little boy quality to them. Hardly what one would expect from a “genius”, to say the least. When all these factors are taken into account, your claims of genius with 170 IQ are dubious, to say the LEAST.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Honestly the economy could completely come unglued and it would not really matter to me except i wouldnt be going anywhere! Witch could be nice, screw the markets, ill be just growing for the neighborhood and doing shit around the house. Shut off everything electric, and minimize!
        Glad i dont live on the continent!

      • We can warn you but we can’t feed you!!!!! So get ready

      • Forrest says:

        Dear Mr. President: Perform An Anatomically Impossible Act …

        market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3255090

        9 hours ago … President Barack Obama said his administration is taking steps to assure privacy rights are protected while government surveillance programs …

        EXCELLENT POST BY DENIGER ON OBAMA’S SPYING

        • Them Guys says:

          Did anyone else here see that same small ad above comments begin section? Where it usually shows Three small size square color photo-ads, the far right picture ad I saw this morning had a color picture of a large family grouped together for the photo. Like aprox 15+ persons, and get this…The Caption header below picture ad said “Homabbys sheboon wife has Just discovered she has WHITEs in her Ancestors!!!!!(no ad didnt say sheboon I said it)

          You just can’t make this stuff up eh!!!…Right one quick look at sheboon the first african mammy in the whitehouse certainly looks as if she has WHITE ancestors eh!!!

          Yeah and her husband has Chimps and Baboons in His ancestors too…Oh wait! That part may indeed ring of some truth…..Only Time and intensive Ongoing DNA scientific endevors shall tell us for sure, sooner or later.

      • Forrest says:

        AT collapsenet.com they have excellent post titled, “Denniger’s response to Obama’s…spying”.. I can’t copy it but its excellent article!!! (talks about second amendment).

      • Forrest says:

        Loophole allows warrantless searches; Denninger Nails It on Obama’s Response to NSA/CIA Spying

        at collapsenet.com

      • Forrest says:

        FROM collapseNet

        See also:

        Denninger Nails It on Obama’s Response toNSA/CIA Spying

        “There is no way to earn my confidence in this program irrespective of what so-called “safeguards” you assert exist, or will exist.

        The reason for this is simple: Data, once collected, is never destroyed unless there is a legal compulsion to do so coupled with both criminal penalties and evidentiary exclusion if that mandate is not followed.

        The latter has never happened in the history of the United States — or anywhere else.

        Just because we can do a thing does not mean that we must, or even should. Indeed, history records that some of the greatest mistakes when it comes to the public trust and the consequences thereof have been engendered from exactly the sort of crap that you’re pulling right now.

        The Germans consented to strict gun control. Then the Nazis exterminated 6 million Jews and an unknown number of others who they didn’t like, all of whom had been disarmed under the rubric of “public safety” — not including the soldiers and civilians who died in actual combat during the ensuing war.

        The Nazis who did these things were not the ones who made the original argument for gun control, but they certainly exploited the lack of guns in civilian hands to murder a huge number of their own people.

        This is not an isolated incident. Similar events transpired in Rwanda, Guatemals, Uganda and Cambodia — and that’s just in the last 60 years or so.

        I am not exercised over incidents like Sandy Hook. That was a terrible criminal act but it pales beside the misdeeds and outrages committed by governments. Governments who always claim that domestic safety “requires” various measures but then turns on the people, murdering millions.

        The reason we have a Constitution is to prevent the government of tomorrow having the tools necessary to do that to we, the people. It is not about the government of today, it is about the government of tomorrow that will be in place for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren. It is not about trusting you, it is about the fact that I cannot form an opinion of whether I should trust the next President or one 20 years hence.

        You cannot demand that I put trust in the government of the future because it is impossible to know who will constitute that government and therefore it is absolutely necessary that the government of today not collect unbridled information that the government of tomorrow can abuse to persecute or murder me, my friends, my daughter or those not yet born.”

        • Them Guys says:

          Why is it Always “Six Million Jews” and then “An Unknown number of…..Others”?…..So what…They counted every dead jew, but never counted them “Others”?…Why do they Never at least Name What type Others?…Were they whites? Blacks? Baptists? French? Catholic? Nuns or Priests?

          Why does so many folks Fall in line and play along with that PC Mandated Six million jews line…Yet never question the same Questions I am asking here and Now?

          Are we to believe it is just a “Coincidence”?…I do not Buy into that. Maybe its that we are to believe that NO “Others” and No mass numbers regardless how large of a numbers, are important enough to actually Name nor Count?

          Yes that Must be it…Only the jews count or matter most…All you “Others” even when Your groups numbers reach such massive proportions that they FAR EXCEED six million, like when 150-Million christian whites were Mass murdered BY Jews in Bolshevik jew kommie run russia and poland and ukraine….All them and You “Others” simply do Not matter when compared to jews…Yep that has to be it…No other explaination makes sense after seeing this happen again and again the last 70 yrs now since WWII ended.

          Just needed to make Note of that fact. Rest of article was ok and good. Perhaps if More folks will Speak out at these type issues everytime they surface, which is often it seems, that six million jews part I mean,maybe then it Will change to More Reflect what we hear so much of lately….You know how all are supposedly “Equal”.

          That method always used whenever we see an article mention WWII/nazis and the inevitable “six Million jews” numbers etc….Never reflects anything remotly close to “EQUALITY” does it….Lets try and Change that shall we. My White folks to me count as much as jews does to jews. I bet blacks and others feels the same eh.

      • Ted Kennedy says:

        two piss ants so far unknown. Good on you…

      • Forrest says:

        AOL news– “Russia giving asylum to Snowden a slap in the face”– yeah, to who?S! TO GOV BASTARDS, NOT TO THE AMERICAN CITIZENS!

      • Rusty Brown in Canada says:

        Yeah, stock up now, before the damned hoarders get it all.

    2. warchild says:

      A price drop in ammunition and firearms?!Let me know when please!

      • Ga Doc says:

        Unfortunately, probably not a drop in the price of the product but a drop in the company stock price. Won’t make bullets any cheaper.

      • Out O' Time says:

        It won’t be in the physical commodity itself but rather the companies that product them that will take a hit in share price. The goods will see a significant uptick in retail price once everyone tries to accumulate every scrap of what’s left in the market. Supply and demand economics 101. The likelihood of us seeing prices back to pre-Obama days are slim to none…

      • Mark88 says:

        Assault rifles in my area are again in stock at high but affordable prices. Ammo is expensive but not unreasonable. There is still shortage of .22, 9mm, and .40 cal but everything else is available. Not sure what the continued talk about the high prices are…. way down from January/February.

        • 41MagMan says:

          In my area, ammo prices aren’t too bad but availability is the real problem. Most stores that carry ammo only get in about 20-30 boxes when they should be getting cases of the stuff. This sells out in less than 2 days, often in only 1. Walmart has good prices on ammo but rarely has any these days. When they do, they have a *1* box per person per day limit.

          In the past 5 months, I have been able to find and buy 2 boxes of 225 rounds of .22 ammo and 6 20-round boxes of AK ammo. They have an ammo case that probably holds 500 or more boxes of ammo but there are only about 30 boxes in there and mostly it is deer and elk hunting ammo, like .243, .270, .30-06, and .300 Win Mag. 9mm, .40-cal, .45-cal, .223, 7.62×39, and .357 mag are very scarce.

          Thank heaven for gun shows! Ammo can be found there for decent prices. Got 1000 rounds of Tula AK ammo for $289, which is about what the on-line vendors charge once the $40 shipping charge is added. Also got 500 rounds of #4 buck at the show.

          Went on-line for 500 rounds of 00 buck. With the exception of .22 ammo, my ammo supply is decent now but it would sure be good to get back to the days when .22 ammo was both cheap and plentiful… if we ever do.

          Anyone else remember when places like WalMart and Sportsman’s Warehouse would actually have .22 ammo on sale for $18.99 per 500 round brick? I’ve been kicking myself for not laying in a couple of 50-cal. ammo boxes of it.

          • t-zulu says:

            in my neck of the woods Owensboro, Ky there is a little known place called 2d amendment firearms and they have American made 223 ammo for 7.99 a 20 rd box just use code word patriot one box per visit and yes you can get up to 4 a day using this. love those guys.
            also the largest gun shop in ky Whittakers is the best they will send you a text or call you when they knowwhat ammo ur looking for on their list. Ky a lil backwards and so full forward.
            ps not a secret, 2d amendment firearms post the price on local radio stations and codeword too promo

            good folks but thier guns are higher end, no junk, just saying

      • Smokey says:

        No kidding, seeing ammo go down in cost would be peachy!

        When the surplus ammo imports are banned, the prices are going to go up dramatically.

    3. SilverSurfer says:

      My lead and brass investments have been outperforming my silver and gold investments lately. Fortunately, all of them are considered ‘precious’ metals. Is this a sign of the end times, or what?

      • jimbo says:

        I agree with Silver Surfer. i was told silver & gold would skyrocket especially as the dollar weakens but they are manipulating the market electronically. they should be much higher than they are and when it all collapses they will be worth what we thought they would be. ammo will be worth it’s weight in gold as well and the govt is trying everything they can to take our guns away. whatever we do folks we must never let them take our guns or we might as well commit suicide if we do. in florida even though Zimmerman was found innocent on all charges and never should have even been arrested they are to this day trying to kill the stand your ground law. i don’t even care anymore what laws they pass they will have to kill me to take mine. i wish all the people who go to this site lived in one state so i could move there knowing we all stand as one with the constitution, god and country. God Bless all you Patriots!:)

        • warchild says:

          Jimbo,though I like the idea of a state were all believe in freedom(live in one the best I can)having like minded folks spread across the country a much better thing if things go really bad,keeps the spirit of the country alive nationwide!Live for today,prepare for tomorrow.

        • gwynmarilyn says:

          Why is Zimmerman thought of as the only one who stood his ground that day? If I was fallow and then I turn hit someone out fear, would that be standing my ground?
          Zimmerman had the gun not both of them.

          • if you haven’t figured it out by now , you never will

          • Gregory8 says:

            gwynmarilyn: Please tell me you’re just pretending to be this ignorant. Whether you rightly or wrongly perceive that someone is following you, you still don’t have the right to attack someone as Travon Martin did-PERIOD. The minute one becomes the aggressor (Martin) and the other person (Zimmerman) feels that his/her life is in danger, you can be resisted with deadly force here in Florida. Martin could have run back to his fathers place but instead he chose to attack Zimmerman and he paid the price for that poor decision. The evidence was so clear that Zimmerman didn’t have to take the stand. Zimmerman’s face and skull were bloodied and Martin had marks only on his knuckles where he’d been punching Zimmerman. I know facts are annoying, especially when they get in the way of precious feelings and preconceived beliefs. But facts ALWAYS trump emotions.

          • Man on the inside says:

            Law abiding citizens don’t “turn around and hit people out of fear”, only animalistic thugs do that.

        • pissinwiththewind says:

          right on the money, jimbo.

          I made the prediction on this site over a year and a half ago, I said, “stock up on ammo and reloading supplies because, in the near future, those same supplies will be worth more than silver, or at least the profits from investing in silver”.

          My, how fast things happen. Last Christmas, my brother was one of those I tried to convince about buying up ammo, especially 22 cal. (He shoots regularly). His response was to laugh at me and say that he would always be able to buy cheap 22′s at Walmarket, and besides he was stocked with a 550 ct brick.

          Now, seven months later, his brick is about gone, and he hasn’t been able to find the first box at Walmarket.
          I laughed at him and said i would sell him some of mine @ triple what i bought it for and that price would still be cheaper than what the Gun Shop sells their cheapest/weakest 22 cal. at. He changed the subject.

          PWTW.

      • Red Leader says:

        Silver Surfer, great point! I bought silver at about $12.00 an ounce the first part of 2009. At the same time I was buying 5,000 round cases of 36 grain .22 hollow point ammo for $200.00 delivered. That same case of ammo goes for $1,000.00 to $1,200.00 now.

        • Smokey says:

          I sold my Dad’s silver accumulation in 2006 at $13 an ounce, my sister was squawking about the money. Like an idiot, I sold it all and sent her half the money. Should have kept my half.

          I had my own silver hoard, so didn’t think I needed Dad’s. Oh, well, that’s the way it works, sometimes.

          • 41MagMan says:

            Sorry to hear that, Smokey. But we all have some of those “live and learn” experiences. Some are tougher than others but we can all learn from them and from those of others as well.

    4. Be informed says:

      To have any real impact on anything now, thanks to that baboon helicopter ben, the real percentage of fall probably would have to be 50% of more. The stocks are so artifically inflated now, that losing 20% would mean little. It is a deception that is absurd, the real price of stocks when matched to precious metals is in reality the stocks DJIA should be around 8-10 thousand, not above 15. That is why 20% means nothing as this would knock it down to around 12000. This would spread little panic, they would just call it a CORRECTION, and the MSM would convince everyone it was good for stocks. A drop to 7-8 thousand would be more like it to cause real panic and some selling that could continue to 75% drop or more. Helicopter ben smells of tar and needs feathers desperately to his winter coat.

      • RickInOregon says:

        20% doom, if that the worst that it’s going to be then happy times are here and QE has worked. I might as well eat all my egg layer chickens and till up my garden.

        • JustMe says:

          Enjoy the calm before the storm…;)

          • Them Guys says:

            ISRAEL’S GIFT TO AMERICA

            In 1967, the government of Israel took an unforeseen opportunity to repay the American people for our generosity. Their novel actions are recounted by Phil Tourney, a seaman on the U.S.S. Liberty.

            [On June 8], 1967 I was a 20 year old 3rd class petty officer in damage control at the time of this sneak attack from our so-called ally, Israel. We were identified as American and friendly many hours before the slaughter began at 2:00 P.M.

            The Israeli jet aircraft were ruthless and stubborn in their attempt to sink and murder all hands aboard. They hit every antennae on our ship, no accident for sure. The Israeli reconnaissance aircraft took pictures of our ship in the morning hours, nothing was missed. The attacking aircraft dropped napalm on the bridge of our ship to burn us alive.

            Soon after the jets were done with us we see 3 motor torpedo boats approaching our ship at a high rate of speed. We then learned who our attackers were.

            We saw 3 flags marked with the Star of David. We were in shock because the Israelis were supposed to be our allies! We had had no idea who was attacking us until then. The attacking jet aircraft were unmarked. The torpedo boats maneuvered themselves into a torpedo launch attitude, now come the 5 to 6 torpedoes. The captain was doing his best to maneuver the ship to avoid sudden death. The torpedoes whizzed by our ship, forward and aft with 1 hitting its mark, almost dead mid-ships, blowing to bits 25 American heroes who stood their ground below the water line and accepted their fate, doing their duty for the United States Government.

            The torpedo gunboats were not even close to being done with us. The torpedo gunmen shot at our fire fighters and stretcher bearers, anything that moved. They were shooting at our water line to blow up the boilers inside and finish the job of sinking us.

            The captain had given the order to abandon ship, as it appeared we were about to roll over. There were 3 life rafts left that were floatable. We put them over the side so we could put our most severely wounded in them to try to save their lives. The torpedo gunmen would have none of that and blew 2 of them out of the water. They took the 3rd raft aboard their boat, seeing it as an obvious trophy for all their hard work. The torpedo gunmen continued their assault until I guess they ran out of ammunition. They circled the ship and left.

            Old Glory was still on her mast, 7’ x 13’ holiday colors. We thought the attack was over. Two Israeli helicopters approached our ship with armed gunmen at the ready to finish us off. They were there a short time and left in the same direction they came. We had no idea why they didn’t shoot at us. We wondered if they were finally done with their murderous carnage on a virtually unarmed ship which only had 4 50 caliber machine guns that had been taken out by the jets on the first pass when the attack began.

            Little did the crew know that Terry Halbardier, an ET, got off an SOS from an antennae that was not hit by the Israeli heat seeking missiles because it was taken off line due to a malfunction before the attack. The SOS he sent stated we were under attack by unknown jet aircraft. This message was sent out within 15 minutes of the attack and was picked up by the USS SARATOGA and the USS AMERICA. Captain Tully of the USS SARATOGA sent ready aircraft to our aid only to have them recalled. The USS AMERICA also sent rescue aircraft to come to our aid. These life saving planes were recalled not once but twice. These orders came straight from the White House, first from Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and then from President Johnson himself. Johnson said he was not about to attack our “ally”, Israel . How did he know who was attacking our ship when we didn’t even know? Help did not arrive until 18 hours later when the American rescue aircraft could have been there in 15 to 20 minutes driving off the torpedo boats and saving precious American lives.

            What remained was a ship with a 40 x 40 foot torpedo hole in her side, 821+ canon and rocket holes, thousands of rounds of fifty caliber armor piercing bullets and napalm that had been burning up our ship. Thirty four American souls were murdered, 173 were wounded, which constituted attempted murder, out of a crew of 294. Two thirds of the crew had been murdered or wounded.

            Israel and our government, in this 2 hour attack, had come up with a plan to sink our ship, blame it on Egypt and bring the U.S. into the Six Day War. If this so called accident was so cut and dry, why were all records sealed tighter than Fort Knox ? Israel got by with cold-blooded murder and other war crimes and it’s only a matter of time until they do it again, perhaps on a ship off the coast of Iran . Israel controls America ’s fate and our elected officials bow to their every whim.

            I love my country and will not stand by and let this continue. While there is time, we must do what we can to save our sinking ship of state. In many ways, America today is the USS Liberty after that 2 hour attack taking place 40 years ago. We are badly hit and stand the chance of sinking into the abyss with everyone being lost forever unless something is done immediately. Write your president and congressmen and let them know you know what is going on and you will not fight anymore for Israel . Israel has 300 nukes, so let them take care of themselves. There is nothing, neither in the Middle East nor elsewhere, that is worth one more drop of precious American blood. 1

            Tourney’s account causes us to ask: What more evidence do we need that the government of Israel has never shared our values and is not really grateful to us? Israel was founded primarily by Marxists and terrorists who valued America only because of what they could get out of us monetarily or militarily – nothing else.

            Israel has repeatedly inveigled America into mid-East conflict to her benefit. Sometimes she was unsuccessful, as in the U.S.S. Liberty attack, and sometimes spectacularly successful, as in Afghanistan and Iraq . With our navy anchored in the Persian Gulf , anticipating another war for Israel , it is well to remember that, while Christian America has unflagging support for Israel , our “ally in the war on terror” has no genuine love for us. If they had, they would not have rained terror on 294 American seamen on June 8, 1967 .

            As she bristles with over 200 nuclear warheads, let’s hope Israel does not go ballistic next time she decides to “repay” America for a century of kindness.

            The U.S.S. Liberty Veterans Association is offering $10,000 to anyone who can disprove the accounts by Tourney and many other survivors of the attack. No pro-Zionists have accepted the challenge.

            • Gregory "The Watcher" says:

              Them guys,

              Your counter spin on certain events is amazing, even though many might find it offensive, a few are taking note and beginning to see what’s underneath the thread that you pull. Keep turning on the light to expose the roaches. Eventually they run out of places to hide.
              With godspeed, keep prepping and keep praying

              • Them Guys says:

                Gregory “The Watcher”: Thank you very much for the compliment. It is definatly something I Rarely get here, due to as you guessed it, many are offended by such blatent factual Truths.

              • Road Runner says:

                Gregory “keep Watching”: the origin of ‘roach infestation’.

                Then Judah put the process into reverse, so that the effect is that of a film run backward. The masters
                of Judah, the Levites, as they drew up their Law also took what they could use from the inheritance of other peoples and worked it into the stuff they were moulding. They began with the one just God of all men,
                whose voice had been briefly heard from the burning bush (in the oral tradition) and in the course of five
                books of their written Law turned him into the racial, bargaining Jehovah who promised territory, treasure,
                blood and power over others in return for a ritual of sacrifice, to be performed at a precise place in a
                specified land. The perversion thus accomplished may be traced in the Old Testament, where Moses first appears as the bearer of the moral commandments and good neighbour, and ends as a racial mass-murderer, the moral commandments having been converted into their opposites between Exodus and Numbers.
                The end was to be the triumphant consummation in Jerusalem, when world dominion was to be established on the ruins of the heathen and their kingdoms.
                Dr. Kastein, a fervent Zionist, holds that the Law laid down in the Old Testament must be fulfilled to
                the letter, but does not pretend to take the version of history seriously, on which this Law is based. In this he differs from Christian polemicists of the “every word is true” school. He holds that the Old Testament was in fact a political programme, drafted to meet the conditions of a time, and frequently revised to meet changing conditions.

                • Road Runner says:

                  2ND LAW DEUTERONOMY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LIKE MOSES LAW (THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS). IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF LEVITICAL SUPREMACY OVER THE PEOPLE, KIND OF LIKE THE NICOLAITANS (CONQUERERS OF THE LAITY).
                  2Ki 22:11 And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.
                  So, there was a book and it was NOT compiled in Babylon! What gives? But all of sudden we have the ‘Second Law’ compiled in Babylon, Deuteronomy!
                  These passages don’t say explicitly which book was found by the priest Hilkiah. Scholars think that it was most likely the book now known as Deuteronomy — the name of which comes from the Greek for “second law,” referring to its repetition and rephrasing of much of the law as described in earlier books of the Pentateuch. Textual analysis has revealed a separate author for the book of Deuteronomy and a few of the other shorter books in the Tanakh/Old Testament. In Deuteronomy there is some material added, some removed, and much basically reiterated but reworded, suggesting that someone or some group of people essentially sat down with the other books of the Torah and copied the bits they thought were important, fixing things as needed along the way.

            • Anonymous says:

              Them Guys: Further Indictment against those will not repent!

              Just as we are to “prove all things; [and] hold fast that which is good” (1Thessalonians 5:21), the LORD desires to prove us “to know whether [we] love the LORD [our] God with all [our] heart and with all [our] soul” (Deuteronomy 13:3). Not only does our proving “all things” (1Thessalonians 5:21) keep us away from evil, but it confirms to us what is good.

              “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8).
              This is the ‘LAW of the Prophets” who understood the real ‘LAW’

              And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to Me, to walk in My Law, which I have set before you, 5 To hearken to the Words of My servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened; 6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the Earth” (Jeremiah 26:4-6).

              God’s prophets already understand that their lives may be forfeit for their faithful reproduction of the LORD’s message to His “stiff-necked people” (Exodus 32:9). This includes stiff necked Gentiles.

              ‘The Law of the Levites’ is to kill, to steal and to destroy. It is the letter of the law that refuses the spirit of the Law. That is why there are conflicting statement in the Old Testament. The Old Testament IS NOT infallible but shows the ‘war’ between the truth and the lie.

            • Road Runner says:

              Them Guys: Further Indictment against those will not repent!

              Just as we are to “prove all things; [and] hold fast that which is good” (1Thessalonians 5:21), the LORD desires to prove us “to know whether [we] love the LORD [our] God with all [our] heart and with all [our] soul” (Deuteronomy 13:3). Not only does our proving “all things” (1Thessalonians 5:21) keep us away from evil, but it confirms to us what is good.

              “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8).
              This is the ‘LAW of the Prophets” who understood the real ‘LAW’

              And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to Me, to walk in My Law, which I have set before you, 5 To hearken to the Words of My servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened; 6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the Earth” (Jeremiah 26:4-6).

              God’s prophets already understand that their lives may be forfeit for their faithful reproduction of the LORD’s message to His “stiff-necked people” (Exodus 32:9). This includes stiff necked Gentiles.

              ‘The Law of the Levites’ is to kill, to steal and to destroy. It is the letter of the law that refuses the spirit of the Law. That is why there are conflicting statement in the Old Testament. The Old Testament IS NOT infallible but shows the ‘war’ between the truth and the lie.

              • Them Guys says:

                Road Runner: Well said indeed! More good verses that many refuse to aknowledge. It is due to falshoods taught, that began with Billy Grahm mainly. Grahm took what was in scofileds bible and Calvinist teachings, and began to teach and preach it non stop. Mainly that false belief of…..”once Saved Always saved!” as if christians once they get saved can go on to Sin! Sin! and sin more! Because jesus understands humans aint perfect and he overlooks sin as long as a person claims to Believe in Christ!

                Has a definate Levitical Jewish sound or rather, Unsound doctrine about it eh…..You become like those you hang out with, also applies in like manner to You become like those who you Believe as they do and Practice what they do, even if you never actually meet in person or hang out with them litterally…So many delusional so called christians today proves this as fact and truth and it worsens as time moves foreward.

                They fell for: “well since Jesus was a jew, then its ok if we too follow jewish and rabinical talmudic jewish ideas-ways-beliefs-and religious practices.”

                Yet If that were truth, what need would we have for a New testement or a Jesus?..If such were accurate truth, all we would ever need is the Old testement and mosaic and levitical jew rabbi talmudic Laws. Which is exactly what them talmudic rabbi jews want christians to believe in!

                Thats why Jesus Warned us to NOT fall for Traditions of Men and Doctrines(talmud) of men and Pharisee’s. Talmud is an extention of the Pharisee’s of old times in Babylon era and remains as the same today. Jewdeo christians fall for it all Hook Line and Sinker. And Sink they shall.

                • Road Runner says:

                  Them Guys: Billy Graham promoted the NWO. He promoted Ecuminicism along with the Catholics. Lots of Scofied and Baptist Theology. Said Pagans can be saved through nature worship. Graham did more to destroy Christianity in America and never once told the truth about Judaism nor did he warn about ADL, JDL, Zionist. Never warned about Judeo-Christianity and returning to Talmudic Levitical Law instead of Grace. Was promoted by all Major Jewish Newspapers to get his ecuminisicm out which Satan used to destroyed this country and Christianity. Kept Americans eyes on bullshit while darkness worked openly. Never warned black Americans what the Jews were doing to them or that they were headed in the wrong direction. Wore soft clothing and lived lavishly at his Montreat castle. Graham threw sheep to the wolves at his crusades. He was a liar and known associate of infidels. Why did Hearst, an illuminits and Pagan back Graham to the hilt. If you followed the money trail it would make you sick. In Russia Graham avoided Christians who were not mainline Orthodox Christians and met with high ups who were NKVD agents. There are depths of evil involving Graham I do not even want to speak about. Suffice it say, Graham was no Christian, was a disguised angel of light. Why is America is such a bad condition and how did it change so fast. All one has to do is look at the likes of Billy Graham, study his background and career and the Truth becomes evident. Satanic money pushed satanic leaders into Christianity, and are still doing it, who were wolves in sheep clothing. Every true Christians who tried to warn them was marginalized or destroyed. Just as some posters here on SHTF do not want the truth to get out and do everything possible to hide it and destroy it. Same spirit.

            • Road Runner says:

              Twisting Scripture
              A renowned Jewish Rabbi and teacher, Moses Maimonides in the 12th century, went so far as to say, dogmatically, “If there are 1000 prophets, all of them of the stature of Elijah
              and Elisha, giving a certain interpretation, you shall ‘incline after the majority’ (Exodus 23 :2)
              and the law is according to the 1001 rabbis, not according to the 1000 venerable prophets.”

              He went on, “Thus God did not permit us to learn from the prophets, only from the Rabbis who are men of logic and reason” (see Nehemia Gordon, page 84).

              Can you believe it? You better understand.

              The incident of Rabbi Eliezer in the
              Babylonian Talmud, Baba Metsia 59b holds a central place in modern Rabbinic theology. According to the story, Rabbi Eliezer was the greatest of the Rabbinical sages of his time. One day he was engaged in a debate over some minute points of the
              rabbinic law, and he brought forth every imaginable argument to support his stand. But the other rabbis were not convinced. He grew very frustrated. They were just hardheaded, stubborn, intransigent, and unwilling to bend or listen to reason. In desperation, he invoked a miracle, “If I am right, let the trees prove it!”

              There was a great rumble, and all the trees of an orchard outside their meeting place were uprooted and began flying through the air. The rabbis retorted, “We do not listen to trees!”
              Eliezer then cried out, “If I am right, let the rivers prove it!” The rabbis ran outside, and saw the great river begin to flow backwards. They were very impressed, but stonily replied, “We do not listen to rivers!”
              So the rabbi exclaimed, “If I am right, let the walls of the academy prove it!” The walls of the building where they were sitting began to cave in and crumble. Again the rabbis
              obdurately replied, “We do not listen to walls.” Finally, Eliezer shouted, “If I am right, let Heaven prove it!” A voice from heaven then thundered, “Why do you dispute with Rabbi Eliezer, seeing that the law agrees with him?” The rabbis were still unconvinced, and declared, “Sorry, we do not listen to Heaven!”

              Thus modern rabbis conclude that
              the interpretations of the rabbis
              supersede the direct decrees of God Himself in heaven! Rabbinic theologians, based on this apocryphal incident, claim that any prophet who
              prophesies that the Rabbis are wrong on even a minor point of interpretation, must be executed.

              Bullshit, No this is the Law of the Levites, the Pharisees who warred continually against the truth in the Old Testament Prophets. But you cannot teach these ‘learned Zio-Christian, Judeo-Zionist’ anything. They really believe Jesus said to obey these assholes who told you that black was white…wake up! Start listening to what God tells you not what men teach you! Otherwise you are going to suffer terrible loss.

      • BigB says:

        @BI,

        You are correct in every word posted. Some of you old timers around here know that I live and breathe the financial well being of the USA. I can only add one thing to what BI or Marc Faber has stated. When it happens, it will happen quick and it will be devastating.

        Not just here in America but throughtout the entire Western world which incidentlty now includes Russia, it’s old satelites and of course China. Wars may break out but will be short in duration as no country will be able to afford it. Famine and sickness will occurr world wide. None but those of us who have prepared will be spared.

        It is possible that the NWO will get it’s way and the population of the world will drop to 20% of what it is today. When that happens resources will be considered abundunt and a new chapter for man kind will be started. Although I am not big a Greenie I will say that Earh it self will also get a break.

        Lets just hope we do better next time around.

        BigB

      • 41MagMan says:

        “The stocks are so artifically inflated now, that losing 20% would mean little.”

        I agree, BI. As a stock investor, I have followed the US stock market for the past 36 years. This market has all of the earmarks of an artificial market and not a free market. It is being levitated by the Fed printing money and dumping it into the big NY banks. They, in turn, buy UST bonds and stocks. Uncle Ben says that he can’t find more than 1% inflation in this country, so printing a trillion extra dollars every year must be OK. No, it isn’t! He SHOULD know that. Many of us do and we are not hotshot PhD’s from an Ivy League school. None of the metrics by which the market can be measured are anywhere near all time highs, yet the Dow 30 and the S&P 500 are both at or near all time highs. Why is that? Because of all the printed money chasing fewer shares. Stock prices HAVE to go up to absorb all this extra cash. THIS is where the inflation is. This is NOT growth. It IS inflation and it is obvious to those of us who care to look at it objectively. Uncle Ben chooses not to. But he is getting out of Dodge and probably just in the nick of time too.

    5. An Army brother of mine who is brilliant when it comes to making money in the market told me 2 weeks ago he was getting out because he saw this coming.

      I got out last year, I find it too difficult to trust the manipulators.

      • Ga Doc says:

        Changing paper stock value to hard silver, in hand. Silver has been pretty low. Gold has been pretty volatile and not sure how to barter a $5000 gold coin for a can of beans.

        • Archivist says:

          You don’t use gold to buy beans. You use gold to buy larger things, such as land or a herd of cattle. Use silver for smaller things.

          • lower40 says:

            or a buy a freind out of the gallow’s

            • 41MagMan says:

              “or a buy a freind out of the gallow’s”

              Yep… or ourselves. History is filled with examples of people bribing border guards with a gold coin or two not to see anything as they cross out of a troubled country and into a better one.

              I like silver a lot… er, a LOT. But gold has its advantages, especially for large purchases but also its portability. I can put $30,000 worth of gold in my jeans pockets and swim a river during an E&E. Do not try that with $30,000 worth of silver! Not that anyone would, of course. Most of the silver would be left behind during a fast bug out because people would be scooping up guns, ammo, food, meds, blankets, etc.

          • averageguy says:

            Dang, you guys never heard of wire cutters? You just cut the coin into bits. For those with really good knives, they could use those to shave off enough to equal a can of beans.
            Quit thinking inside the box, guys.

        • RickInOregon says:

          It’s easy to barter a gold coin for a can of beans. Give me your gold coin and I’ll give you a can of beans. We can do it now if you want.

      • king krazy says:

        I am heavy in the stock market. It is all pretax 401K money. What are my options? Where can I put it? If I cash out the taxes would be in the 6 figure range. How about money market?

        • americuh says:

          Taxes in the 6 figures? Wow! Do you own arable land, or a retreat that is stocked and ready? Many of us who are trying to prepare within our means would love to have your predicament. Most of us with 401k’s would have to quit our jobs to cash out.

          • Facebook Page says:

            Why do people think 6 figures is a BIG number when it comes to taxes.
            At even a 10% realize rate that means he has only 1 Million in saving IRA.

            That is not much to live on in retirement. Do the math at a 5% return. That is not much income to live on.

            Hell Many small business write 6 figure quarterly checks to the tax man and still get nailed at the end of the year.

        • Gold Guru says:

          I’m not sure I believe your numbers, but if you are being honest, and sincerely want to pull your money out and put it into tangible wealth, then you need to play the game like the criminal politicians do:

          Start a corporation (your corp just happens to raise and sell Emu’s).
          Take your money out and claim it as “investment money”. “Invest” it into your new “business”- you know, that Emu farm you always dreamed of owning to make you rich.
          As a business, you have multitudes of tax deductible improvements that need to be made on your newly acquired business venture.
          Emu’s are pretty good at escaping from fences and cages, so you’ll have to improve your security: Improved fences, gates, outbuildings, infrastructure as needed. Don’t forget the tax write-offs for your new security alarms, cameras, and even some forms of weapons (for defense, of course) to hold back the Emu’s in case they “get out” and go all Jurassic Park on your ass.
          Once your “business” is set up, start raising your Emu’s.

          Damn, they all got away through a hole in the fence.

          Those were expensive birds. All gone now. Business losses are too high to recover- no bailout for you!
          Better just cut your losses and quit the Emu business. Your business venture can be sold to the lowest bidder, property and all.

          What?

          Your brother buys the property from the corporation at a loss to them?! Well, now the corporation has to go bankrupt and be dissolved.

          What?

          Your brother turns the property over to you to manage now? He doesn’t have any use for a secure, self-sufficient farm?

          Well, it’s funny how things work out, isn’t it?

          (Obviously there is a little more to it than that, depending on the state you do it in, but it has been done by the good people of congress for years and years.)

        • Barn Cat says:

          Take out as much as you can. Pay the penalties or taxes. If you’re finished prepping buy gold. Otherwise you’ll lose everything.

        • Red Leader says:

          Roll it over into a gold and silver IRA, physical metals not paper. Take it out as you can afford the taxes.

        • cellar spider says:

          Do nothing with it. Leave it in there. The Wall Street Den of thieves says, “You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave!’”

        • 41MagMan says:

          @King Krazy

          Your options depend on your age. If you are age 55 or better, you can take money from your 401k plan, if your 401k plan allows for distributions. Some do and some don’t. The IRS allows this but does not mandate it. You can also leave your employer, roll your 401k into an IRA, which is a tax-free transfer, and set up what’s called a Substantially Equal Payment Plan (SEPP). It might be possible to set up a SEPP on a 401k plan account but most employers don’t allow this due to the bookkeeping hassles. Under this plan, you can take out money before you are age 59.5, so it can help those who would like to retire early but who are not yet able to collect their SS benefits and cannot otherwise afford to retire. I did this in 2005 and it worked very well.

          If you are under age 55 and still employed, you can probably take a loan from your 401k plan but you have to pay this money back from your paycheck. If you are laid off or quit, most 401k plans require that any outstanding loans be repaid, often within a few months.

          If you take money from a 401k plan or a traditional IRA early, you can be hit by a 10% early withdrawal penalty tax as well as ordinary income tax at rates up to 39.5%, so basically half of your money could be grabbed by the Gov.

          I am retired and taking both early SS benefits and regular distributions from my upper 6 figure IRA. My plan is to take money out of my traditional IRA over time such that I can remain in the 25% tax bracket. This money is then used to buy preps, including physical gold and silver. While this takes time, it is a decent compromise between being stuck in a plan that is subject to government whim and being taxed to death. My thought is that if the balloon goes up before I have all my money out, the gains that I have in gold and silver should more than make up for the loss. If it doesn’t then I will have avoided financial death by taxation and have my money under my control and not theirs.

          This is a significant problem and it is one that quite a few people have these days. What you decide is best for your situation will likely be different from that of others whom you know but it is imperative that you have a good plan and that you stick with it.

          Check with your company HR person or department. Ask them for a copy of the Summary Plan Document or SPD for your 401k plan. They are required by law to give you this info but are allowed to charge a small fee for copying, printing, etc. Read it carefully and ask your HR person any questions you have on it. It will explain everything that your plan allows, although some of it may be poorly worded and confusing. Knowing what your plan allows will be a big help to you in figuring out your options.

          • Merree says:

            If you are in a position to determine the bank that holds your money, see if you can move to Everbank. They have options for CDs that include more stable currencies.
            Everbank was started by bankers who were alarmed at the current banking system. They have been impressive from what I have seen.

    6. Patriot One says:

      We all know its coming, the only question is when and how much. With the money printing the PTB are setting up the illusion. Is a 50% drop really that bad compared to 2008 if the PTB push the DJIA 21 or 22,000?

      Just like GDP, Housing, Inflation and Unemployment the numbers are bogus. You feel it, I feel it, but most just don’t understand what they’re feeling.

      It’s called Propaganda, but most are too stupid to know what that is either!!!

      Buckle up boys and girls, it’s going to be the ride of your life.

      • KY Mom says:

        (Received this in an email)

        Bars, Banks, Bonds and Bailouts

        Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Detroit. She realizes that virtually all her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to patronize her bar.

        To solve this, she comes up with a new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later. Heidi keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans). Word gets around about Heidi’s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi’s bar. Soon her bar has the largest sales in Detroit.

        By providing freedom from immediate payment, Heidi gets no resistance when she regularly increases her prices for wine and beer substantially, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Heidi’s gross sales increase massively.

        A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognizes that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Heidi’s borrowing limit.. He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral.

        At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders figure a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into DRINK BONDS. These “securities” then are bundled and traded on international securities markets.

        Naive investors don’t really understand that the securities being sold to them as “AA” “Secured Bonds” are really debts of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless, bond prices climb continuously, and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for the nation’s leading brokerage houses.

        One day, although bond prices still are climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides that it was time to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Heidi’s bar. He so informs Heidi.

        Heidi then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts. Since Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and Heidi’s 11 employees lose their jobs.

        Overnight, DRINK BOND prices drop 90%.

        The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community.

        The suppliers of Heidi’s bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms’ pension funds in the BOND securities.

        They now have to write off her bad debt while losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

        Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors of a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

        Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multi-billion dollar no-strings attached cash infusion from the government.

        The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, nondrinkers who have never been in Heidi’s bar.

        Now do you understand?

    7. RICH99 says:

      First of all , 20% ISNT a crash , secondly , BLAH…BLAH….BLAHHHHHH
      These guys have been spewing crap for years ….not even gonna get into the details anymore

      • yental says:

        @Rich99…it is DIFFERENT this time. I stand by my “timeline” and “bet”! And unlike “some”, if/when proven wrong, I will honor/keep my word.

        I honestly believe I would enjoy a “sit down across the table conversation” with with you. No set/planned agenda, just an honest conversation.

        If YOU are ever in my “vicinity”…dinner, drinks, and BAIL are on me ;)!

        • RICH99 says:

          Well I appreciate your offer and I will say your time is rapidly running out on turkey day ….3 months goes real quick these days as we are now approaching mid august

          • yental says:

            Frankly, I hope I am wrong. However, my prediction is not based solely on economic factors which may, or may not occur within this time-frame.

            I am studying the overall picture. The multitude of legitimate scandals occurring simultaneously, this administrations support of the FSA to the displeasure of Russia/China, and constant pressure from Israel to continue to accelerate the “Iran plan”.

            But, as you said, the “turkey gobbles, or not” very soon!

    8. anonymous says:

      Time to wakie wakie. Shave your beard or we will have some vets sew your bung and johnson shut while we force feed you. Stand up damn you.

    9. Chantilly Lady says:

      and Martin Armstrong is calling for the Dow to double after a pullback in the fall…..

      His thought is that we (U.S) will be the last man standing in looking at the global picture.

      http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-the-stock-market-will-double-by-2015/

      The article on the link has an audio interview w/ Armstrong..

      • KY Mom says:

        During The Best Period of Economic Growth In U.S. History There Was No Income Tax and No Federal Reserve

        “In school we are taught that the Fed was created to bring stability to our financial system, but the truth is that they have been responsible for financial bubble after financial bubble, and now Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has created the largest bond bubble in the history of the world. When that thing bursts, and it will, we are going to see financial carnage on an unprecedented scale.

        Unfortunately, the truth is that the Federal Reserve never has been looking out for the interests of the American people. It was created by the big banks and it has always worked very hard to benefit the big banks. During the Fed era, the big banks have become the most powerful economic entities on the entire planet. Our entire economy is now based on debt, and the big banks are at the very center of this debt spiral.”

        “And as we saw back in 2008, the Federal Reserve is going to do whatever is necessary to prop up Wall Street. Most Americans never even heard about this, but during the last financial crisis the Fed secretly loaned 16 trillion dollars to the big banks. Those loans were nearly interest-free and those banks knew that they could get basically as much nearly interest-free money as they wanted from the Fed.”

        The Economic Collapse blog

          • Them Guys says:

            That article by: Econpmic Collapse Blog, is the exact Same as litterally Every website/Blog in that none Ever actually Tell you the rest of the “Story”..Like “Big Banks did fed res, well Yes Duh! Yet WHO are those Big Banks really? I will Tell you.

            Who Could Destroy Christian Civilization?

            In contrast to the violent external disruptions of radical Islam, another power presents an even greater and dangerously unrecognized threat. It is the power of organized world Jewry—an elite and focused minority of Jews largely operating under the direction of ADL/B’nai B’rith International. This aggressive and powerful minority is intent on fulfilling their Talmudic religious mandate to “repair the universe” (tikkun olam) through worldwide control and destruction of Christianity and other “idolatry.”

            For at least the past two centuries, Jewish revolutionary activists have pursued and attained positions of highest influence in western industrialized nations. These nations remain the dominant industrial, military, financial, economic, cultural, and educational powerhouses for the world. Jewish control of them is real abiding power. Consider the following realities.

            In 1913, as a result of the most concentrated lobbying efforts by international Jewish bankers and their American representative, J.P. Morgan, Congress created the Federal Reserve System. Today, the Fed is owned not by the federal government and the American people but by a consortium of primarily European Jewish banking houses, members of whom also financed the Bolshevik revolution and Hitler. They control the money system in the United States , just as they have in Europe. Paper currency is created for pennies; then they loan it at face value to the US government. Interest on such loans charged to the American people totals at least $150 billion annually, which exponentially increases our federal deficit. The total debt, tens of trillions, is too staggering to ever fully repay. 1

            During the first part of this century, European Jewish immigrants created the Hollywood film industry and what became the “Big Three” TV networks. Jews dominate entertainment and news media today, arguably the most influential part of our society. Today Jewish editors, writers, publishers and owners also control most of the largest newspaper and book publishing houses in America. No other social force has played as large a part in corrupting American culture and morals during the last century as the Jewish entertainment and news media

            In 1913, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith was created, ostensibly to combat anti-Semitism. Since then, ADL and generations of liberal Jewish activists and their “civil liberties” organizations have tirelessly worked to strip America of its foundational Christian values. They have also created the hate crimes laws that now plague Christians and lovers of freedom in the western world

            In 1917, Jewish international bankers and activists overthrew the Russian czar, spawning the global cancer of communism. Twentieth century liberalism is the off-scouring of Jewish-inspired socialism and communism. These facts are all documented by prestigious sources—many of them Jewish!

            Congress today is dominated by the nation’s most powerful lobby, The American Israel Political Affairs Committee. AIPAC pressures members of Congress to unconditionally support Israel and its strife-engendering policies. Penalty for not cooperating: defeat of politicians by AIPAC in the next election!

            High-level Jewish “neoconservatives” have surrounded recent presidents, especially Clinton and George W. Bush. They have successfully pressured America into Mideast wars that only exhaust our resources and make the Mideast safer for Israel. (For complete documentation read Michael Collin’s Pipers’ The High Priests of War and The New Jerusalem: Zionist Power in America.

            The power I describe is real, substantive, long-term, and entrenched. It has one aim: to ultimately unite humanity under a Zionist-dominated one-world system centering in Jerusalem. According to Judaism’s most sacred rabbinic scriptures, the Talmud and the Zohar, this global government will outlaw belief in Christ and even annihilate all Christians. On this foundation, Israel’s prophesied one-world ruler, Anti-Christ, will rule.

            It’s happened before. In the Middle Ages, rumors came to Europe from Palestine that Muslims were performing indignities against Christians and forbidding them to visit Christian holy places. A great cry erupted in Christian Europe to rally for battle against Islam. “It is the will of God!” resounded throughout Western Europe as every able-bodied man left family, farm, and business to embark on a “holy crusade” to make the Mideast safe for Christianity. Like lemmings, millions went, including children. The Crusades lasted nearly 200 years and about one and a half million people died. Eventually, Palestine reverted to Moslem control.

            Déjà vu? Today, a similar alarm is going up that “Islamo-Fascism” is the great Satan that civilization should unite against. The Jewish media fans this flame to white-hot intensity, encouraging evangelicals and Christian-based nations that more and yet more must be done in the Mideast to pursue and subdue this Moslem bogey, even into Iran. Yet in the end, the result will be the same as followed our attempt to eradicate Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction.” Disillusionment. Death. Defeat. Thousands more body bags shipped home.

            The crusaders got their priorities all mixed up, as Christians today have. It’s because we follow Jewish media and fanatics like John Hagee.

            www dot truthtellers dot org Located in E-Alerts header button at Top of site Page. Along with several Hundred More articles and link documentations of all things wrong in usa today and why-Who-What is doing it to Us.

      • 41MagMan says:

        “and Martin Armstrong is calling for the Dow to double after a pullback in the fall…..”

        Yeah, I read that and all I could think of is that this guy has lost his mind. There is no way in hell that the US stock market is gonna double in 16 months. Wait… maybe there IS a way… and that would be if the US dollar was devalued by 50% over that same period of time. Got fiat? Tough noogie for you!

    10. Rubicon says:

      This will be just a little shake up. Remember this would happen on a global level. The foreign markets will go down too and so will their currencies. How will they protect themselves? Send money to the US for security. What them happens here? Market will explode to the moon into 2015. After that, the house of cards must fall.

      • Man on the inside says:

        Like I have said 12-24 months…

        • Barn Cat says:

          It could be just 2 or 3 months. The biggest problem is the 440 trillion in interest rate derivatives. When interest rates go up the whole financial world will crash.

          • Them Guys says:

            HERE: Links-Sourced Documentation Galore for them Nit Pickers, and Naysayers…

            Anti-Communism. . . or Anti-Semitism?

            Having informed us earlier that because of “anti-Semitism” the “bulk of Jewish youth” were compelled to join the Bolshevik ranks, the Judaica goes on to inadvertently clarify why the Russian natives were so bent on “anti-Semitic” activities. The article says that movements toward freedom (called “centrifugal nationalist tendencies”) among the nearly enslaved Russian people “inspired the regime to utilize compact, Jewish masses in these areas as a counterweight, which would swing the balance in the centralist regime’s favor.”(pg. 798)

            In other words, “the bulk of Jewish youth” in every outlying hamlet of Russia became the “compact Jewish masses” whose task it was to forcibly impose and maintain communist slavery upon freedom-loving peoples. Jews and the Russian populace were locked in a death struggle for survival and the future of Russia. Is it any wonder that the White Russians rose up in rage, even to the point of liquidating their oppressors? Who would not have done the same?

            It was at this time that Lenin himself declared capital punishment for any Russian who criticized Jews or identified Jewish leaders with Russian names as Jewish.

            Anti-Semitism was branded as being counterrevolutionary in nature, and persons participating in pogroms or instigating them were outlawed (by a special decree issued by the Council of Commissars in July 1918, signed and personally amended by Lenin to sharpen its tone). A statement against Anti-Semitism made by Lenin in March 1918 was put on a phonograph record, to be used in a mass campaign against the counterrevolutionary incitement against the Jews. (pg. 798)

            Allied Intelligence Reports

            During this period intelligence services throughout the free world were buzzing with reports of Jewish involvement in communism. Since an impeccable Jewish source, the Encyclopedia Judaica, has largely convinced us of the importance of Jews to the success of communism, let us briefly consider a small part of the testimony available from a variety of high-level sources. I will present each without comment, but notice how often they describe Bolshevik leadership in much higher figures than the Encyclopedia Judaica, often to as high as 90 percent.

            Report of the American Expeditionary forces to Siberia, March 1, 1919. Captain Montgomery Schyler, speaking of events following the decline of the First Provisional Government, says:

            These hopes were frustrated by the gradual gains in power of the more irresponsible and socialistic elements of the population, guided by the Jews and other anti-Russian races. A table made in April 1918 by Robert Wilton, the correspondent of the London Times in Russia, shows that at that time there were 384 “commissars” including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial government.

            Captain Schyler then provides a personal reflection:

            It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our civilization without having the least understanding of what we really mean by liberty. 3

            The Consul General at Moscow (Summers) to the Secretary of State, Moscow, May 2, 1918:

            Jews predominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population which tends to regard oncoming Germans as deliverers. 4

            U.S. State Department Report, Foreign Relations, 1918, Russia, Vol. 11, p. 240:

            Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type, many of whom are anarchists. 5

            Scotland Yard Report to the America Secretary of State, July 23, 1919:

            There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews; communications are passing between the leaders in America, France, Russia and England, with a view toward concerted action. 6

            Extract of Report from the Netherlands Minister at Petrograd on the 6th of September, 1918, forwarded by Sir M. Findlay, at Christiana, to Mr. Balfour:

            I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war that is still raging, and unless, as above stated, Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world, as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things. 7

            Mr. Aleston to Lord Curzon, forwarding Report from Consul at Ekaterinburg of February 6, 1919:

            From examination of several labourers and peasant witnesses, I have evidence to the effect that the very smallest percentage of this district were pro-Bolshevik, majority of labourers sympathizing with summoning of Constituent Assembly. Witnesses further stated that Bolshevik leaders did not represent Russian working classes, most of them being Jews. 8

            The Rev. B.S. Lombard to Lord Curzon, March 23, 1919:

            have been for ten years in Russia, and have been in Petrograd through the whole of the revolution. . . .I had ample opportunity of studying Bolshevik methods. It originated in German propaganda, and was, and is being, carried out by international Jews. . . .All business became paralyzed, shops were closed, Jews became possessors of most of the business houses, and horrible scenes of starvation became common in country districts. 9

            Sir Winston Churchill, writing in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of February 8, 1920 agrees with the previous testimony.

            There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.

            But to be fair, let the Jews have the last word – words written after millions of “goyim” had already been slaughtered in Russia. Quoting from the American Hebrew of September 8, 1920:

            The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, became a reality all over the world.

            Endnotes:

            1 “Socialism,” p. 584.

            2 The Jewish Communal Register of New York City, 1917-18, confirms Schiff’s interest in subverting Imperial Russia, “The firm of Kuhn-Loeb & Co. floated the large Japanese war loans of 1904-5, thus making possible the Japanese victory over Russia. . .” (p. 1018). “Mr. Schiff has always used his wealth and his influence in the best interests of his people. He financed the enemies of autocratic Russia and used his financial influence to keep Russia from the money market of the United States.” (p. 1019) (This was written after the Bolshevik Revolution had become an accomplished fact.)

            In addition to accounts of Schiff’s direct involvement in financing the Bolsheviks, the U.S. State Department’s three-volume report on the establishment of Communism in Russia, Papers Relating to the Foreign Relations of the United States, 1918, published in 1931, Vol. 1, (p. 371-376) recounts from intelligence reports and intercepted correspondence how Jewish-controlled German banks, under the influence of Max Warburg, originated, even as early as February 1914, a system for the dispersion of large payments to Lenin, Trotsky, and others in their attempts to overthrow the Czar. The syndicate was set up with “. . .very close and absolutely secret relations established between Finnish and American banks,” as well as banking houses in Stockholm and Copenhagen, who were the active intermediaries between Jewish high-finance in the West and revolutionaries inside Russia.

            This State Department Report was compiled under the Hoover administration and has since disappeared from active circulation. Reproductions of salient passages of it, however, are presented in Elizabeth Dilling’s The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today.

            3 “American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia,” Military Intelligence Report of Capt. Montgomery Schyler, National Archives, March 1, 1919. Declassified, Sept. 21, 1958, pp. 2-3.

            4 Included in Foreign Relations, 1918, Russia, Vol. 1, U.S. State Dept., 1931, file No. 861.00/1757, p. 518.

            5 Ibid., Vol. 2, p. 240.

            6 Scotland Yard, “A Monthly Review of the Progress of Revolutionary Movements Abroad,” July 16, 1919. Declassified, U.S. State Dept., Jan. 8, 1958, p. 1.

            7 Nesta Webster, “Secret Societies and Subversive Movements”, p. 385. Concerning the British White Paper on Communism, which included the report from the Netherlands Minister at Petrograd, Oudendyke, Nesta Webster appends this footnote: “It is significant to notice that in the second and abridged edition of the White Paper issued by the Foreign Office these two most important passages marked with an asterisk were omitted and the first edition was said to be unavailable.”

            The entire text of the Netherlands Minister, however, turns up among the previously mentioned U.S. State Department report, Foreign Relations, 1918, Russia, published in 1931.

            8 “British White Paper,” Webster, p. 386

            9 Ibid.

            from www dot truthtellers dot org

            Hopefully this docuemented Proof etc wull Satisfy naysayers such as “Not So Much” and several others.

            • Road Runner says:

              Them Guys: 13 red thumbs for posting historic truth…they still resist the truth…go figure? Not one intelligent reply. Shows the number of Bolshevik Commie Zionist Talmudic ZOG lovers who post here!

              • Road Runner says:

                Them Guys: but they are good preppers. What would they say to: and come not near those who have my mark in the forehead? They do not even know what that means!

              • The Old Coach says:

                No point in replying, because Them Guy wouldn’t know truth if it ran over him in a dump truck. And I made it 14.

                • Road Runner says:

                  Old Coach: You Bolshevik Red…2 replies, not one intelligent post…cat got your tongue boy? Your a real piece of work! Give one reason, one you dumbass why you say: “‘Them Guys’ would not know the truth.” What are your pearls of wisdom oh wise one? It appears to me you would like done to the US what the Jews did to Russia. Please the puddin out of you. He puts truth before your eyes and all you can say is that he wouldn’t know the truth. You truly are a piece of work! The same people that screwed the Russian economy are screwing ours today numbskull, but I believe you know that. You probably piss your pants every time America gets screwed. After all that is ‘The Law of Destruction’, which you probably know well and it comes out of the Deuteronomic Code of the Talmudic Levites who hated the 10 Northern Tribes who told you Jews to piss off. Oh you are one of them whether you know it or not…sweet dreams!

                • Them Guys says:

                  Old Coach: Can’t Handle truth! Especially when its from esteemed sources like Winston Churchill! and from Many State dept archived documents. Documents which were Hidden from public veiw for 40-50 or more yrs!

                  Why does idiot old coach think they were Hidden from public view so long?…Is it because there is zero truth to it?…Or is it due to the fed govnt did NOT desire for us in the Public sectors to Learn of it all?!!

                  Old Coach as well as others here are as yet Unable to deal with or handle factual truths…But…Only such factual truths if it is about jewish issues. All Other truth or facts old coach readily accepts with zero fact checks…..Yet a ocean size ship Filled with tens of millions of documents etc won’t sway his stuborn immature child like mind when he sees info regarding jewish or israel issues. Most folks calls that a Liberal mentality. Cannot admit when they are Wrong!….The fools Reek of liberal mentality.

    11. jim in Va. says:

      Load up on barter items,they’ll be the real “value”items.Keep the gas tank full,canned goods,water and ammo. hunker down and let the stuff fly over you and hit someone else.

    12. Man on the inside says:

      20% would just be the needed corection.

    13. Tactical says:

      I am sorry but did Doctor Doom and others have been saying the same since 2005? We had ups and downs with the market and such really won’t effect regular Joe’s since regular Joe’s are and have been already going through for many years with inflation, job loss etc.. I guess I am just tired of hearing the same tone over and over.

      • Barn Cat says:

        We know what’s coming but we’re not sure when. Hyperinflation and an economic collapse are a 100% certainty. I think time is short but we could have a few years yet for all I know.

        • Tactical says:

          @Barn Cat,

          You are correct. We as humans really don’t know what is coming with 100% certainty. This is just like life and death cycle. We all know we’ll die one day but we don’t know the exact time. Same concept can be applied here. Each day we deal with uncertainties in life…one day up and another day down but the point is there are two type of people I really don’t care about what happens to them with some EXCEPTIONS: Kids —>since they are helpless, Elderly since they truly need to be helped due to age and anyone who is disable and truly need help from the society. Now these two category of people can basically die and go to hell as far as I am concerned: 1- Those who always nag saying the world is ending with a sole purpose of selling a book or some other intent and those who think everyone else must provide for them since themselves are just too fricking lazy or stupid to become a productive member of the society. Many folks may say I am a heartless, fascist, right wing creature but I am not. I am just a normal human who went to college, who worked hard and still working 70 hrs / week to provide for my wife and kid.

          • 41MagMan says:

            ” Many folks may say I am a heartless, fascist, right wing creature but I am not. I am just a normal human who went to college, who worked hard and still working 70 hrs / week to provide for my wife and kid.”

            Many would say that but few of them would be on here. Those who inhabit the mooch class and who figure that the world OWES them not just a living but some comfort as well, will not be satisfied until they have milked every drop of wealth from those who actually EARN it.

            Those of us who have managed to achieve even a modest success, in spite of being taxed, regulated, and otherwise discouraged by an over-reaching government every step of the way, are just plain tired to death of having to push the wagon of finance while others not only ride in it without pushing but who piss and moan about the way we do it. It is MORE than time that the entire burden was not put on us. Those who preach “share the wealth” should understand that the only way this will ever work is if they also share the effort that it takes to acquire wealth. Freebies should be reserved for those who are desperately in need through no fault of their own and not for those who simply choose to mooch their way through life with the least possible effort on their part.

            OK, so I am a heartless bastard too. Deal with it, moochers!

    14. Personanongrata says:

      I remember one time in basic a fellow private one fox hole over from mine at the firing line says ” Sr. Drill Sargent i have to use the latrine.”

      Drill Sergeant responds ” USE YOUR FIRING POSITION PRIVATE!!!”
      Sad look on privates face.

      Next i hear over the loud speaker ” Ready on the left Ready on the right
      switch your weapons from safe to semi and scan your sector”

      The moral of the story is that some shit can wait some shit can’t but imagine being caught unprepared i mean even when you dont have to go, if you know ahead of time about a very big event that you are participating in you’d better go and try to squeeze something out just so when it does hit you, the situation wont be so pressing and you can still manage and focus for a while. To the visitors on shtf and those that will spy, there is and should be nothing wrong with attempting to personify the very nature of being human beings. The surviving nature of the human being is what has propelled us from the day we first discovered fire till now. The ptb has injected all forms of artificial vices in mans way and has somehow made him/her forget even shun the very natural characteristics and nature of surviving. Cheers to my fellow animals who lead families as a pride of lions.

      When all this financial hub bub and and sleight of hand is over the lions will finally tangle with the octopus which has many tentacles. How you prepare lions will determine the outcome. Well at least you’ll have a fighting chance. This is only partly our fault. I just wish now that the people of the world become one pride. And while im at it let me say here that i absolutely love the kkk, the black panthers, arians,peta,gays and lesbians, stoners and hippies abortion lovers huh well may not so much, any one that wishes to call me nigger or koon or call anyone cracker or honkey basically anyone who has beef with anybody because at the end of the day you all are precious human beings that breathe life. Again i love you guys. This is what we have to do. We have a common enemy that cannot be engaged separate. All or nothing because we all loose eventually divided. Wishful thinking yeah but still true so…

      Gimme hug

      • braveheart says:

        Personanongrata, welcome aboard and what you say about the human instinct for survival is oh so true. Whether Dr. doom’s message is true or not, this article still fits right in with yesterday’s. Something is coming soon. Everyone’s prepping needs to be in the highest gear possible. I know mine is and I’ll be shopping again this weekend. braveheart

      • SonOfSam says:

        hey there persona non grata,

        I don’t go in for name calling; seriously, all you humans look the same to me:-) Personally, I stand by the words of wisdom that I heard in — of all places — The Walking Dead show:

        “They’re all biters, and we’re all just white meat or dark meat.”

        I have a really simple dividing line: you’re either a patriot or a traitor. You’re either a human being, or you’re a zombie. You either see the world as it is, or you live in the cloud cuckoo land spewed up on the idiot box by the puppet theater

        • Man on the inside says:

          “They’re all biters, and we’re all just white meat or dark meat.” LOL

        • Gonetoolong says:

          Problem is defining traitor or patriot. Some call Snowden a patriot, other call traitor. Media will say traitor but do nothing but talk about what he exposed as if it was a good thing. They want it both ways. I call patriot with balls as big as a house. Has given up everything (prob to the point of death) to shed a little light on one fucked up government too big to stop.

          • Man on the inside says:

            Yep…. and he won’t be the last.

            • 41MagMan says:

              No, he won’t. Would-be tyrants have a HUGE problem here in the USA. Quite a few of those employed by these 3-letter agencies really are patriots who take their oath to the US Constitution seriously… unlike most of their political masters. Truth WILL out, as they say, and if there is one thing that the truly skulduggerous cannot abide it is the truth.

              Coupled with this, we have a nation-wide group of men and women known as county sheriffs. These folks are beholden only to their local voters. Law Enforcement, like politics, works best at the local level and the farther it gets from that, the more nameless, faceless, and inhumane it becomes.

              • Man on the inside says:

                41MagMan…. I’m from one of those three letter agencies and I take my Oath very seriously…Thanks for saying this… If the goverment only knew how many people who work for them will not turn on American citizens it would scare the crap out of them…. Most of us are laying low and quietly preparing for the day we will have to turn in our credentials….

          • braveheart says:

            Gonetoolong, I call Snowden a patriot for “shedding light on the subject.” All he really did was expose the NSA for what I’ve long suspected of being; some of the real traitors to this country. Where does NSA or anyone else get off spying on anyone, inside or outside of this country? There’s nothing legitimate about anything this government does, period! braveheart

            • 41MagMan says:

              The current regime in power has trampled all over the US Constitution and they have, for the most part, gotten away with it… for now. If they do not manage to impose a full-blown tyranny on us, there will be some serious investigations and criminal charges filed against this crowd when they leave office. May they really enjoy the result of all their criminal activity as they spend the next 20+ years in prison reconsidering their treacherous and treasonous actions.

      • pissinwiththewind says:

        Liked your story, but thumbs down on the whole “gotta love everybody” bit.

        I can’t say i love the gay’s and the whole gay pride thing, or the abortionists gang. The queers and lesbians are trying to warp the minds of the little innocent children. Anyone working evil against my grandbabies are an enemy to me.
        That is where the whole “precious human beings” part and I are different. That is where my weapons and my grandbabies take precedence.

        Anyone trying to come in between me and my precious grandbabies, face the wrath of my weapons. i don’t give a flying fuck about the rest of the world and the political correctness bs.

        • 41MagMan says:

          Agreed. Those of us who are old enough to remember when “gay” meant happy and not queer have seen a lot of changes in US society. A few of them have been good, most not. Personally, I don’t get too excited about the sexually confused. They have a serious problem but it is just that… THEIR problem… and I will not stand for them making it my problem.

          I once read a magazine interview with the man who was running Singapore at the time. During the interview, the reporter heard an answer he did not like and said, “But that’s not very PC”. The man replied, “I do not care about being politically correct, only about being correct”. Great answer!

    15. My 2 Cents Worth says:

      When the money starts pouring out of the stock market where will it all go? Not into real estate like past drops because real estate is not liquid enough for these unpredictable times. I say a good percentage will go into physical precious metals.

      • Man on the inside says:

        Initially it will go into to cash.. like it has done many times before… which will appear to make the dollar stronger….. that would be a great time to then tank the dollar and start the new world order….. Guns, Grub, Ground, Gold, Gear, Good Friends, Good Team, and defiantly GOD. I know it should be a tee shirt. Prep, Plan, Pray….

        • Two Buckets says:

          20 years ago I read about the new world order & its plan has not missed a beat since it was formulated many decades before my eyes were opened so you can expect a crash to come after that the phoenix will rise from the ashes in the form of a cashless society & this new twitter book of faces generation will love it so

          • 41MagMan says:

            Two Buckets, there are people who are simply destined to be enslaved. They are not happy to be free and desperately want someone to call “master”. They will kiss their chains and lick the boots of those who finally get around to making their dream come true. It is not difficult to recognize these people today. They are the ones who believe in BIG government that can give them everything they want at the expense of others.

            • Two Buckets says:

              Thanks 41 this tv legs generation will learn soon enough about hardship. By the way I take you are a .41mag shooter how does it compare to the .44mag in accuracy 50-100yds & penetration

      • JayJay says:

        But, real estate I can see and touch, not so much with PMs if on paper.
        These billionaires are not all going to get their net worth turned into physical, because there isn’t that much physical out there.

    16. IHATEYOU says:

      I just don’t get why would anyone invest in the stock market still…

    17. Gurg says:

      I put all of my money into solar outhouses….

      • Barn Cat says:

        I put all mine into solar powered flashlights. They don’t have batteries. They need sunlight to work.

      • Smokey says:

        …waiting for a rainy day.

      • Smokey says:

        I got into Dehydrated Water a few years back. Open the can, add water, and there you have it.

        Still waiting on the checks to come in…

        • Might have to settle for a rain check. :)

        • Them Guys says:

          I Invested in a Whore House for My Grandma. I set her up in a cheep old crib on a few acres, with a Huge painted sign out at road side in front. “Get Screwed at Grannys! Only $5.00!”…..Customers galore show up daily 24/7, Grandma collects the $5 per guy customer, and tells them to go past the kitchen, and walk thru the door at back of kitchen.

          Thats when the “Trick” aka customer realizes hes now standing Out back Behind Grannys house and in her backyard, which has a Giant size Siberian Husky growling since he does Not like strangers in His yard!

          They can’t sue granny cause they did get “Screwed” for $5 as advertized!!

          • pissinwiththewind says:

            lol, TGs. Funny shit, especially the “cheep old crib”.

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Love that one, ten thumbs up!

          • mountain man 6-1 says:

            HA ! Ha !….A guy on the street stopped me and was talking about how our Retirements were going . He told me he invested most in stock market and did ok ,then asked me where did most my money go?? So ,I told him ‘Lots & Houses’ ,he said that was a wise decision on my part and to explain exactly what it was . I really needed to git going so I said ” LOTS of BEER and Whore Houses “!!….mm

    18. MarathonTx says:

      The US & EU governments and all world financial institutions are one huge systemic fraud. Get all your money out of banks and retirement accounts now and buy life’s necessities while you still can. Otherwise, get ready to kiss your ass good-bye.

      • yental says:

        Welcome aboard to “another” fellow TEXAN. Your sentiments are clearly “inline” with “smart money”. The Dow Jones, S&P, and NASDAQ bubble all have “pinholes” that are about to EXPAND/EXPLODE…suddenly, and with NO WARNING!

        “The stars at night are big and bright…”

    19. CrabbeNebulae says:

      First there was the Golden Jackass, now Dr. Doom… sorry folks but a 20% drop is not a crash.

      • averageguy says:

        CrabbeNebulae, is that you Twinkee Kid, er I mean, Durango Kidd?

        It’s funny how you always minimize the situation in favor of the government and remaining a part of the system.

        • CrabbeNebulae says:

          First, I’m not who you think I am. I don’t minimize anything other than the contradictions I see even when I agree that times are hard and are very likely to get harder for many people. If you cannot see the incongruity in the names relative to the argument then you are either blind or an agent of the state. Any “expert” that goes by the name of Dr. Doom or Golden Jackass has no credibility IMHO, and I don’t care how many Phd’s they have and I make no apologies for calling them out. Jim Willie and Marc Faber are fear monger’s who make their living selling Doom and Gloom. The Gloomier they can paint the Doom, the more money they make. Just saying. Now go back to prepping and have a nice day.

    20. Well at least we have some more time, I kicked it into high gear after my vacation. I do wonder how this will affect my husbands business, he sells food to restaurants. In 2008 I was affected by my work hours being cut, I was a line cook. Now I’m a stay at home mom thinking about getting a part time job at a fast food restaurant. Just to have some extra prepping money.

      • JayJay says:

        Just to have some extra prepping money

        I kicked it into high gear after my vacation

        Oh–kay.

        If that vacation wasn’t free, I say HUH???

        • I went to visit family, they live 1600 miles away and I hadn’t seen them in 4 years. Even a camping or fishing trip is a vacation, sometimes it’s necessary to take a break. Most of the prepping I do costs very little. There are a few big ticket items I would like to buy, I would like more water filters and a better generator.

          • Kulafarmer says:

            Better to go for solar or wind than a generator, if things get dicey fuel will be scarce, unless your generator is deisel the fuel doesnt store well. Especially the new ethanol crap, even with stabil, plus how long can that fuel last if things really go south?
            I would aim for enough panels, an inverter and batteries to provide 1500watts at 120v for 4 hours if you needed it, that would run about the same as a real high end Honda genset.
            But could potentially provide enough power without any input other than sunlight for basic stuff.

    21. Satori says:

      for those still locked into the right/left way of thinking
      or the communist/democracy/socialist whatever
      blah blah blah

      WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

      http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=58984

      “He also truthfully reveals that there are a few hundred men pulling the strings and they don’t give a fuck about you.”

      “It appears that the few hundred men who are running this world are confident that this game – for it is truly a game – will not end anytime soon, and that is all these potentates care about: “Aprés moi, le déluge” or “Devil take the hindmost” is their motto.”

    22. Indy Colts says:

      I know some people here do care about sports like me. I noticed keith olberman was just hired by ESPN as an anchor. They are giving him a new show and he’s doing sportscenter. He was a liberal piece of crap on MSNBC. I called and told them I’m going to start watching Fox sports and move my fantasy leagues to yahoo. They obviously have a political agenda with this move. If anyone else cares to call ESPN the number is 1-888-549-3776 I tried to email but it didn’t work.

      • Gonetoolong says:

        Used to care about sports. Can’t seem to get into them any more. With ALL the PED cheating, gun controlling, pro-gay movements, anti-Christian, murdering, mostly overpaid egos running rampant, things just are the same or seem so insignificant anymore. Glad you still find comfort in them, however.

      • I suppose with a chiseled jaw, the right voice and the ability to read a teleprompter he could work anywhere.

        Oh, sorry, I see now you were talking about Keith Olberman…

        …..thought…..it…..was…..someone…..else…

    23. anonymous says:

      Is it ALL about the gays mr. potus?

    24. slingshot says:

      50% the markets will crash and 50% the markets will chug along.

      In any event, “The Show Must go On”, in some form or another. I would watch and see if the Stock Market and Comex halts trading and how many days it happens. Then look for bank closures with limited ATM transactions.

      What are you going to do? They hold all the cards in this game.

      • John_Allen says:

        @ slingshot

        With respect, sir, WE HOLD THE CARDS. They hold the currency. They depend upon their bought and paid for minions employed wherever. When those minions are sufficiently hungry, when those minions see their families hungry their loyalty may shift a smidgen. Probably too late for them to survive.

        When their underlings’ babies are hungry, when beloved gramps with Type II can’t get his insulin and is dying before their eyes, the bankster elite will realize before most that they hold nothing.

        Even the most mercenary sod can be bought only so far, when his kith and kin are suffering and there is little he can do about it. Look at world history. How many dictators were taken out by their palace guard? How many happy mouth pieces for The Way It Is were among the first to ”irrigate” the fallen dictators larger than life size statue?

        They have only as much power over us as we believe they have.

        Vandalism against The Tyrant avails us nothing. They have a bottomless pit of our
        (stolen) wealth to buy more things.

        What makes The Tyrant stain his britches brown is us laughing at him. Holding him in contempt for the vermin he is. Resist their “authority” with a smile on your face. Obey only as far, and as fast, as pleases you. If millions did this TPTB would be seen for the frauds they are.

        Molon Labe

        • slingshot says:

          John_Allen

          I do not expect any type of a Julius Caesar scenario to bring our country back on track. Including military intervention. The nation as a whole has LOST ITS ROOTS. We are bilingual with too many ethnic teachings, that replaced what our Founding Fathers envisioned. They do have all the cards. Every political, economic, Law making and Enforcement. We supply the money to keep them in power. Shipments of medicine and food can be stopped to force most into compliance.

          All we have is a Dream. Passed down to us. The question is, Can we keep it alive.

          We are few and far between. Just by reading everyone’s post here.
          Something really bad has to happen to them to stop all their crap or something really bad is going to happen to us.

          • Facebook Page says:

            We must Survive its death Then we can come together to rebuild

            • slingshot says:

              “We must Survive its death. Then we can come together to rebuild”.

              Those are very true words. It was only a few posts back, we wondered what has become of our country. Brings up emotions of sadness, anger and frustration. Most of the whole country has lost common sense and the ability to know right from wrong. There is no stamina to stand up and be counted, only to go with the flow.
              But what type of Death are we to survive, for death has many faces. Shall it be the death of fifty years of social engineering. The economic and industrial
              stripping of our nations wealth to other nations by our own Capitalists. Or the clandestine destruction by foreign bankers and their governments to include their world wide supported organizations that influence our government policies.
              Then if we survive all this cleansing, what will there be left for us to build back the nation. What mindset will be needed to move forward.

        • Them Guys says:

          Yep, the “Shoa” must go on….

          • Road Runner says:

            Them Guys: Shoa, death cult invented to deprecate dead Gentiles and promote the cult of Judeo-Christianity and the worship of the Image of the Beast, Israel. A religion of the Jews with them as the Gentile Messiah. Them as Messiah means you Gentiles as subservient to their wickedness and pornographic desires.

    25. Sameolesameole says:

      Now it is this fall? thought it was going to be before the summer, or before that it was the beginning of the year, or when Obama was reelected, or when or when or when. Sometimes reading these stories is like talking about when Jesus will return. Why don’t we stop preaching doom and gloom, and start talking about way to fix it. Seriously, it is exhausting the same ole crap. Im going to go into the archives and note how many stories like this are on here, and how many predictions on time frame are here as well. Then note the changes to comments that all of you posting reply with. “oh its coming, prepare.” it has been coming since the start of humanity and it still hasn’t got here yet.

      • Barn Cat says:

        There’s no way to fix it. The Fed is creating $80 billion a month out of thin air that we know of. In reality, it’s much more. They’re not only buying toxic mortgages but municipal bonds too. They also fund the trillion dollar deficit by creating money for the banks to borrow at 0% interest so they can buy the bonds. Unfunded liabilities for the federal government are growing by $4 trillion to $5 trillion a year when the government officially spends $3 trillion and takes in $2 trillion a year. The banking system in Europe is a mess. It could collapse at any time and take ours with it. The derivatives market is estimated to be $1 quadrillion and interest rate derivatives are $440 trillion. When interest rates rise sufficiently the whole banking system will crash. Oh, and the dollar is dying. It’s run as the world’s reserve currency could end very soon as well. When that happens America will become a third world country.

      • mark in orlando says:

        with the fed charter ending at the end of the year and ben leaving dont look for anything to hapen this year. personally i look at the 10yr intrest rate, the higher it goes the worse things are going to be

      • Road Runner says:

        Sameolesameole: take care what is coming does not take you unaware!

    26. Bonnie says:

      You’re a Fearmonger!

      Instead of advising who to change things, and help oneself, and join with others of likemind.

      How to form communities, and local currencies. And what to and learn new skills, and teach others.

      At any rate, We, THE People, are doing so badly, and suffering so much, already, the Breakdown can only be an improvement. The Central Gov. has stopped working FOR us. It’s NOT working.

      The Fed. gov. has gone OUT OF CONTROL.

      • Barn Cat says:

        We’re going to have an economic collapse. At least 90% of Americans will die. That’s at least 270 million dead Americans. I don’t see how a collapse will be good for anything. We won’t be able to start over. We’re going to see a worldwide police state. That’s what the global elite are planning.

    27. Gonetoolong says:

      Da gubment is da debil. Now that’s some high quality H2O.

    28. Barn Cat says:

      I think he’s greatly underestimating the danger. I think we’re looking at 1929 all over again.

      • 2525 A.D. says:

        @Barnkitty,

        As I recall, you predicted an economic collapse last Fall? Even a stopped clock gets it right twice a day, meow.

      • yental says:

        Your “premise” is sound. 1929 will seem like an almost insignificant “history lesson” by comparison. WE are about to witness and endure the GREATEST THEFT OF PRIVATE FUNDS…EVER!

        THE GREATEST THEFT AND TRANSFER OF WEALTH…EVER!

        Fortunately, for TPTB, WWIII will limit/eliminate the comprehension of the SCALE OF theft from the perspective of the mass majority of “still sleeping sheeple”. At least initially.

        “This time”, it is going to be the REAL DEAL!

        ALL the BS about “global warming, phony scandals (all of which are anything but phony), and OBIMBO’S lack of credentials and fascist/socialist/communist agenda”…WILL BE RENDERED IMPOTENT.

        THEY are about to bury all traces of TRUTH under a PILE of financial, mental, spiritual, and war based propaganda the likes of which this EARTH has yet stood and allowed witness to.

        As this site has WARNED for years now…When the SHTF, don’t say YOU were not warned!

        • Them Guys says:

          Yental: You are right, and History writers will no doubt show in the future that next to TPTB eliets, the Main Major Enablers who allowed and Escalated the final total destruction of what was America, will be that aprox 50 Million Evangelical jewdeo christian zionists group, who so refused to even Consider that just maybe their unquestioning full support of All things israel-zionist-and jewish, was in Fact all along the total enabeling support for what the Bible calls “The Whore of Babylon” or Israel and its Jewish zionists demonics.

          Once those 50 Million evangelicals assist zionist jews and israel the State, Usher In their Jewish “King” or as most call him, their Anti-Christ man into the zionist run NWO….Thats about when I expect the truth will so overwhelm those evangelical jew firsters and pro zionists fools, even they then will be forced to finally admit how wrong they have been for so long in such foolish unquestioning, israel and jews can do NO wrongs no matter what attitude, and admit without their collective support the zionists/jewish and israel never could have pulled off the last 100 yrs of massive deceptions and so deluded so many in america and the world at large.

          Woe to them what calls good evil, and evil good…Who give sweet for bitter, and bitter for sweet.

          All other Non enablers can Thank that 50 million who are enablers of such evils. Truly Despicable delusional enablers rejecting all common sense, biblical truths, and proven facts that have shown how wrong they are in their enableing of the Idols of their Awe and Worship.

          They quit worshiping and Loving Christ and His biblical truths, and replaced both with abject worship of israel & jewish zionists. The final messg they shall hear will be from the Lord when he tells them…”You Wicked workers of Inequity, Depart from Me”!..Next stop…Lake of Fire where they can spend eternity with their beloved can do no wrongs jewish zionists antichrists. A Match made in Hell.

          • pissinwiththewind says:

            The Antichrist will not be “just” a Jew.

            He will be many things to many people. He will be Satan playing the role of the Messiah and Saviour to the world. In fact, I believe he will eventually become the 12th Imam to the Muslims as the Holy Roman church aligns with the antichrist and Rick Warren (lol), to pull all religions together as one world religion.

            Chrislam and Universalism is being formed now. As a major world cataclysmic event coincides with the NWO, the acceptance of a world leader to bring about world peace and stop the destruction of the earth and it’s populations, the Antichrist will come on the scene.

            “When they cry, peace,peace,peace”. But; sudden destruction looms in the shadows of a new world religion of peace.

            • Road Runner says:

              Pissinwiththewind: Your not getting it! The beast is not just Jewish it include pagan, Christian, Moslem, Indian, Russian, Chinese, the United States, Israel (all antichirsts). The beast ‘sets up’ his image (Israel). The beast and his image is worshiped (men give IT their right hand, strength; and their forehead (understanding). It is a construct of lies and false doctrines believed by those who perish. You have bought into the ‘Maudi’ created as the antichrist by Zionists. Islam is not the ‘beast from the bottom pit’ or the ‘False Prophet’, the antichrist is the ‘Little Horn” of Daniel and the ‘beast from the pit’. You totally refuse to hear what others are saying and to ‘ferret’ out the truth on your own. You have got to get away from Zionist propaganda and come the understanding before you die in your sins. Zionism or Judaism is the ‘Little Horn’ not Mohammadism. The little horn arose out of the broken Grecian Kingdom…Pharisaical, Talmudic Judaism. It subdued the lion,bear,leopard kingdom and re-constituted the Roman Empire in the this modern era. It devastated Great Britain, Russia and Germany…America is the 4th beast composed of all 3 beasts. America is a Judeo-Christian Zionist beast, but hell what do I know? You point at Moslems as the destroyer and the one pushing the NWO. Yes, there are traitors among the Moslems (Saudi, UAE, Brotherhood, etc) who are ‘used’, but they are not the MOVERS and SHAKERS.

          • Road Runner says:

            Controversy of Zion
            A master-race, if there be one, must itself be God.

            The creed which was given force of daily law in Judah in 458 BC was then and still is unique in the
            world. It rested on the assertion, attributed to the tribal deity (Jehovah), that “the Israelites” (in fact, the Judahites) were his “chosen people” who, if they did all his “statutes and judgments”, would be set over all other peoples and be established in a “promised land”.
            they automatically became “captives” of “the stranger”, whom they had to “root out”, “pull down” and “destroy”. Given this basic tenet of the creed, it made no difference whether the “captors” were conquerors or friendly hosts; their ordained lot was to be destruction or enslavement.
            The Israelites, from all the evidence, never knew
            this racial creed which was to come down through the centuries as the Jewish religion, or Judaism. It stands, for all time, as the product of Judah of the Levites. This was changed into its opposite by the itinerant priests who segregated the Judahites and established the worship of Jehovah as the god of racialism, hatred and revenge.

            • JC75 says:

              Revelations 2:9 – I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

              Most researchers on this subject state that about 90% of those today who call themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or Ashkenazi Jews & they’re carrying on the work of Satan.

              • Them Guys says:

                JC75: This DNA info Proves You correct! And is More solid Proof and Facts that Old Coach will again be Unable to handle as per usual.

                The Definitive DNA Study

                Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

                Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century…Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”
                (TURK ancestory makes todays jews, Edomites from ESAU! Not israelites from Jacob! Rather esau edomite Eternal Enemys of Jacobs 12 israeli tribes! Enemys! aka “The Synogogue of SATAN! Fake jews! all 98% todays so called jews! Khazer Fake jews= Esau Edomites! Do You Get it Yet)

                Who Can Argue With DNA Science?

                So DNA science has proven that the findings of many historians and anthropologists is correct. The “Jews” of Israel are not Abraham’s descendants but, instead, come from the subjects of King Bulan of Khazaria.

                The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.

                What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

                Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

                The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.

                Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.

                The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.

                “There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

                Thus, when Prime Minister Netanyahu says, “God gave this land to our Israelite forefathers,” he is absolutely wrong. There are no Israelite forefathers of today’s “Jews.” When today’s “Jews” say they should possess the land because they are Israelites and are the seed of Abraham, they are mistaken ( Or..Liars!)

                The “Jews” are in Israel for one reason and one reason only: Because the United States, in 1948, recognized the nation of “Israel” and has since funded and protected it. God’s Word has nothing to do with it.

                God’s Word, the Holy Bible, prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would, the Bible told us, persecute their enemies and especially the Christians. But God would have his revenge:

                I ask my evangelical Christian friends: What will you do now? Will you heed what God said, in Revelation 2 and 3, about “them which say they are Jews and are not?” Will you accept modern DNA science as legitimate and valuable in proving the truth of God’s Word?

                Or will you, dear Christian friend, walk right on by, dismissing what both God and science have informed you?

                God said that the seed of Abraham would inherit the land. Therefore, we must—absolutely must—in light of the DNA evidence, ask ourselves: Where, and who are the seed of Abraham?

                We know that Netanyahu and the people who now inhabit Israel have no claim to the land. They are interlopers, false pretenders. But there is a true and legitimate Chosen People of God. In fact, the scriptures had it right all along. The answer is found in Galatians 3:29. Read it for yourself:

                “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”

                So, if you belong to Jesus our Lord, you are “Abraham’s seed,” regardless of your physical race. You are overcomers, and Revelation 21:7 promises, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things.” This is the great secret that every true Christian knows.

                God is not a racist. The Great Commission extends to every race and ethnicity. We who love Jesus are His Chosen People, and we have the promise first given to Abraham way back in Genesis.

                Perhaps: Old Coach and “Not So Much” will share Their refutations they are certain to harbor on This DNA proof issue, and enlighten us all with all of Their “Facts and Truths” which contradict My info here….Waiting!

                • Road Runner says:

                  Them Guys: Truth will not sway, facts will not sway them…but triviality will. The mind is a terrible thing to waste…especially a reasoning mind that was give to us by God Almighty for a purpose. To know him and to know HIS Truth.

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  @ Road Runner, time out, back up and punt. I do get it.
                  There are two beasts spoken of in Revelation. One is the “one world system” and the other is the beast known as antichrist. John was very clear on his “revealing” from God; the antichrist will “not” be a flesh man walking the earth today or any other day. He is Satan, a cherub, never meant to be born of woman, like an archangel. More on that later.

                  @ Them Guys.

                  I have to agree on your interpetations of the “majority” of the people that call themselves Jews, but are of the synagog of Satan. Not all who reside in Israel (the Nation) are of that linage. Most people just don’t get it. I believe there are many of the true Jewish peoples living there and their ancestry goes back to the tribes of Judah,Benjamin, and some from Levi.

                  I think most of those in positions of authority in Israel are not of true Jewish descent.

                  God hasn’t lost anyone. He knows where the peoples of the ten tribes migrated to, and all that are saved by the blood of Christ have a destiny.

                  The proof is in the layout of the Millenial Kingdom spoken of in Ezekiel. The places of the residential order around the Temple are layed out for the Twelve tribes to be close to the Throne of the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. Of that “order” the Chosen are closer to Him than the “ethnos” or ethnic peoples.

                  If anyone has a problem with that “order” then they should take it up with God, not me. It is His will, that be done.

                  By the way, the two tribes that were separated from the ten, are joined as one stick in the Millenium. Ezekiel-37: 16 thru 19. Pretty cool, eh!

                • Anonymous says:

                  pissinwiththewind: no offense but you have got to get your scriptures right. You compare apples to oranges, in other words you are not in the same ballgame spiritually. You say 2 beasts in Revelation. One is the “one world system” and the other is the beast known as antichrist. SHOW ME VERSE THAT SAYS ONE OF THE BEAST IS KNOWN AS ANTICHIRST…You cannot…it is not there! Then you say “John was very clear on his “revealing” from God; the antichrist will “not” be a flesh man walking the earth today or any other day.” Again show me in Revelation that scripture…you can’t.
                  Then you make the off the wall statement “He is Satan, a cherub, never meant to be born of woman, like an archangel.” What the hell does that apply to?? Dude you need to go back and study till you know scripture! I think you may be listening to some kind of mystics but it sure is not the Word of God.

                  I cannot speak for them Guys but you got it wrong there too. You need to go find ‘Them Guys’ post on DNA and Khazars…I for one really don’t care that you think they go back to the original tribe. You cannot support that…also you are ignorant of the the forced conversion of Edomites and the mixture that was present of Gentiles and Samaritans after the Babylonian Captivity. You truly are a guesser and use nebulous scripture and facts to support yourself. Not good enough!

                • Road Runner says:

                  pissinwiththewind: no offense but you have got to get your scriptures right. You compare apples to oranges, in other words you are not in the same ballgame spiritually. You say 2 beasts in Revelation. One is the “one world system” and the other is the beast known as antichrist. SHOW ME VERSE THAT SAYS ONE OF THE BEAST IS KNOWN AS ANTICHIRST…You cannot…it is not there! Then you say “John was very clear on his “revealing” from God; the antichrist will “not” be a flesh man walking the earth today or any other day.” Again show me in Revelation that scripture…you can’t.
                  Then you make the off the wall statement “He is Satan, a cherub, never meant to be born of woman, like an archangel.” What the hell does that apply to?? Dude you need to go back and study till you know scripture! I think you may be listening to some kind of mystics but it sure is not the Word of God.

                  I cannot speak for them Guys but you got it wrong there too. You need to go find ‘Them Guys’ post on DNA and Khazars…I for one really don’t care that you think they go back to the original tribe. You cannot support that…also you are ignorant of the the forced conversion of Edomites and the mixture that was present of Gentiles and Samaritans after the Babylonian Captivity. You truly are a guesser and use nebulous scripture and facts to support yourself. Not good enough!

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  Haven’t you read your bible with understanding and rightly divided the word, Road Runner?

                  You are dellusioned if you think a flesh man will rule the world as antichrist. Lucifer was a cherub and had elevated himself to a positon of authority by God’s permission. Since you are not very good at finding scripture and evidently don’t know how to understand it, here it is: Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

                  I’ve seen your type many times and there is no point in wasting my time pointing out scripture and explaining it.
                  You have the “know it all” mentality like Them Guys.

                  I don’t know it all and never will until I get to Eternity. However; I have honestly prayed for truth and God has sent it to me. Maybe you should lower your pride and stop making false accusations towards a servant of God’s, and pray for the truth as well.

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  Road Runner said: “You say 2 beasts in Revelation. One is the “one world system” and the other is the beast known as antichrist. SHOW ME VERSE THAT SAYS ONE OF THE BEAST IS KNOWN AS ANTICHIRST…You cannot…it is not there!”

                  Here you go, RR. Say it ain’t so…. Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

                  What do you know? Can you dig it, RR? You ain’t as sharp as you think.

                  This is Satan’s “final straw” in this Heaven and Earth Age. He will be bound shortly after this act and thrown back into the bottomless pit until he is, “loosed a little season”; “loosed out of his prison”. Need help with this scripture RR? Is it too “mystic” for ya? Then take it up with God, it’s His word, not mine.

                • Road Runner says:

                  Pissinwiththewind: Comment ID: 2052705
                  Firstly, you call Lucifer and Satan as though they are the same persona. Are they?

                  Secondly, you say antichrist is not a flesh and blood. What did Paul mean when he said there are already many antichrists. And if there are many antichrists now upon planet earth, does it not stand to reason that they have a king over them (angel from the Bottomless Pit). Daniel talks about it, about him planting the Tabernacles of his palace between the seas. If this king is the big cheese, is he not in the flesh? Is it the Little Horn?

                  Thirdly, Lucifer did not elevate himself until he fell, he walked up and down in the midst of the ‘stones of fire’. God said he set him so, not by permission but was ‘placed’ by God in that position. Then he fell. What is God saying through Ezekiel? Lucy had the position given to him by God! His fall was not by God’s permission, his fall was caused by his own rebellion. He elevated himself, thus antichrist or in place of God! You are not discerning the Word. God placed Lucy, the anointed Cherub that covereth. He was as an angel, and to the ‘angel’ of the church or…..Who is it that sits in the seat of God in the midst of the seas?

                  I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

                  Pissinwiththewind you do not qualify your remarks by that I mean give understanding to them. You leave too much open to interpretation and confusion. You say there are 2 beast and jump to another beast. The two beasts are the Beast from the Sea and the Beast from the earth, the Dragon is not called a beast he is that old serpent, the devil Satan.
                  Who is the beast from the bottomless pit? What is the Image of the beast? Who had the wound unto death? Who is the 8th and of the 7. Seven what? Your superficial answers do not cut it. You give some verse with no understanding! Paul expounded, you have to bring new things out of an old box. Otherwise we are like one who beateth the wind!

                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  @ Road Runner

                  You are the epitome of the so-called teachers/preachers that we “true” christians are to avoid in these end times. They are referred to as “babel”, which is translated to mean “confusion”.

                  A true christian would have admitted he/she made a mistake in calling me and God a liar with the statement… “it is not there”.

                  I showed you the verse, and what did you do? Babble and ramble on so as to avoid the truth. You were called out and proven. You failed the test.

                  Any person that follows your ideas, not God’s, are fools.

                  I’ve seen your type many times. You run a “bully pulpit” show and put yourself on a self-glorification trip. I hope you have better personal standing with God than what shows thru with your words and accusations.

                  It is no wonder people frown upon christians if they see you as a “shining” example of one. God is “not” the author of confusion.

                  I put you in the same class as Professor Higgins from his earlier postings on this thread. i say you need an old fashioned dose of conviction to come upon you. Maybe then you can retrieve your head from your rectum long enough to get off your “high-horse” and be an inspiration to someone.

                  PWTW, done with you!

      • Wasp says:

        Barn Cat if 90% of all Americans die as you predict, that could be just a little worse than 1929. Methinks! WASP.

    29. How to revitalize America says:

      Ha.. can I classify this as a prep…
      A used Harley? ha

      I’m now crash proof…

      Job is rocking and I’m at the core of everything in my co.
      prepped nicely on all fronts.

      I just hope I don’t crash the harley I want to buy.

    30. Not a psychic says:

      I started prepping a few years ago, slowly, with extra cash (not much of that either) and have stashed a good year supply of “stuff”. I know “they” have been saying it is going to crash any day now for years, BUT it really is going to crash soon. I don’t think we have a year left. So my question is: How bad will it be? Mad max type of crash, or 30′s type depression? THIS IS IMPORTANT! Any guesses or thoughts???

      • David says:

        It will be a Stalin-era, eat-the-paint-off-the-wall type of collapse, featuring famine, pestilence, and incredible violence. I’m stocking food, water, ammo, etc. – I hope I’m ready but who knows. It could be worse then anything we could have imagined. If you’re a religious person, it’s a good time to be doing exactly what your respective god/deity expects of you.

        • Matrix says:

          It will get worse until the De-moralized Zombies that are left start towing the political line.
          Seems it was caused by the banksters in 1913 and is again this time. Oppression wrapped in a flag, carrying a bible.

      • braveheart says:

        Not a psychic, welcome aboard, and glad to hear you woke up and started prepping. how bad will it be? That’s a very difficult question to answer. I don’t think any of us will really knows until after the balloon goes up. Certain things I expect to happen are as follows: everyone who refused to listen and failed to prep will die, the system in all aspects will be dead in the water, there will be roving gangs out to take whatever necessities of life they can find from preppers, disease will be rampant, etc. Mad Max is a possible scenario. All i can really tell you for sure is keep on prepping, get what you can when you can, and we’re here if you have any questions on survival-related subjects. Good luck. braveheart

      • eeder says:

        I am leaning towards the mad max scenario.

    31. David says:

      I’m getting a little desensitized to these prognosticators whose predictions are sometimes vague, and often loaded with conditions. Twenty percent is not a crash…it’s worrisome, and it might bode ill for the future, but it’s not a crash. Talk about hedging your bets “….I see the market closing lower than today. Maybe 20%, maybe more.” What is that? Heck, I can do that. Prediction: I see the economy going downward, and a collapse will come later this year, or next year, or before the end of the decade.

    32. 2525 A.D. says:

      In the year 2525, If man is still alive, if woman can survive they will find……..Dr. Doom (and other like him) predicting a coming Stock Market Crash.

    33. Killuminati says:

      So basically, nothing is going to happen this fall, cause Dr. Doom made a prediction. Seen it all before folks. Thanks Mac.

    34. ScoutMotto says:

      Keep getting those #10 cans. I feel like I have two years worth of a variety of food stored up, all with a tremendous long shelf life.

    35. Arizona Dude says:

      Just look at what happened to the market when Bernanke even hinted at pulling back a few weeks ago. The market dropped 300 points. What will happen when they actually quit buying those bonds ? How about the interest rates what will happen when those start to climb ? I was able to get out of the last two major market drops just in time. Didn’t lose a cent. I personally would not have any money in equities / stocks or bonds right now, too risky between now and the same time next year. If the market doesn’t have a major correction and I mean major (50%) by March of next year I will be investing in other tangibles.

      • PenCRNA says:

        Saw financial professionals on fox business today saying major correction by winter. Host was saying market looked great, the guest told her the party would be over soon, though not in those exact words. Her response was ‘ let’s just tell the fed to not talk anymore.” Idiots.

      • Theguy says:

        The stock market right now reminds me of a spoiled kid with Daddy’s credit card.

    36. teen_prepper says:

      Hello all I have just recently gotten into prepping and I would like any helpful tips that anyone has. Also I would like to know if anyone has any ideas how I can get my family to see the logic in prepping.

      • Smokey says:

        Presuming limited funds, so in your shoes, get some canned food to put in your room, in the closet. Mom will find it and ask what is that for? There is your opportunity to start the conversation. If you have family meetings, ask the question, what do we do if….major storm, no gas, no heat, internet down, that kind of thing. Let them think about it themselves.

        I’ve gotten a lot of good preps at yard and estate sales. Started out when your age just getting tools, I knew I would need them as life went on. Then kitchen stuff when I moved out and needed more than a pot and spoon. Good winter clothing would be a good focus, as well as tools and things you know you will need in the future. Hiking and camping gear, such as stoves and packs.

        Guns and ammo? If your folks have some in the house, you’re good to go. If not, you probably won’t get to have one of your own.

        • Vicky says:

          I’m working on getting more 1920s-1950s era kitchen tools. I have a good egg beater, potato masher, perk-type coffee pot, flour sifter, bread board and a zinc ice-box. I’ve had to go to estate sales and rummage sales because these items are becoming very expensive at antique stores. I’ve also bought every old sheet I can find at estate sales for use as bandages, or if they’re pretty, for material for shirts and dresses. I assume that with the food we’ve stored, our grandchildren will keep growing and will require new clothing. Speaking of which, I caught a huge sale at JC Penney and bought about ten years worth of underwear for my husband as well as summer and winter socks and gloves. This sale wasn’t as good as the sale last summer, so I assume wool and cotton are rising???

          • PO'd Patriot says:

            Wise words Vicky. Considering doing the same. Have been doing a little of that now but on a small scale. Don’t forget some type of hand grinder for coffee and such.

      • PenCRNA says:

        I agree with smokey….I started by couponing, to find free or near free deals to stockpile. My husband dint think much of it. Then before hurricane Irene, it told him we needed extra water, etc. his comment was that the storm would hit New Jersey. I pointed out that was the center of the storm, and that the storm was 700 miles wide. A lot of our state was without power, but we were ok. Then the freak snowstorm that oct 29th. We were without power a week, but we had the genny we bought for Irene. But the real humdinger was the blizzard this past winter. He was excited we didn’t have to worry about shopping for anything. I’ve eased him into it gradually. Now we have chickens and HIS goal is self sufficiency! It takes time, good luck!

      • CrabbeNebulae says:

        @teen_prepper Here’s some good information to read. Download and make backup copies.

        http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/12.10/downloads.html

      • averageguy says:

        teen_prepper, I like The Organic Prepper website (and the one you’re on)for helpful tips.

        As far as getting your family to see the logic,… good luck with that. Some people respond, many don’t. It’s a lot like how people respond to bullies.

      • Man on the inside says:

        Teen Preper: Good suggestion by Smokey. Start small. Have conversations with your family. Ask friends how they feel about prepping. Do not let them know you are one… Just start a casual conversation. You will soon find who is of the same mindset and work on become their friends. Camping gear and can goods to start. If you can, quietly prep for your family. First power outage you have the flashlights, water, cook stove, and so on…. They will start to get the point. Also READ!!! James Wesley Rawles: Any book he has written, Holley and Stan Deyo: Dare to Prepare, Bill Forstchen: one Second After. There are many others. TAKE ADVANCED FIRST AID and build a robust first aid kit. Get your HAM radio License. Start taking a self defense course (Krav Maga, Boxing, MMA, ect). Learn how to fish. Learn how to cook over an open fire. Learn how to use a Dutch oven. Learn how to work with wood. Take welding in school and learn it. Take small engine mechanics or auto shop in school. Learn to ride a horse and a motorcycle. If you can find a club learn how to shoot. Take an NRA hunter safety course. If you have 4H get involved. I am going to give you a few inelegant well managed web sites. Also here at this web site (a good one) we have some haters and angry folks… don’t let them get to you. Listen to good posts by KY Mom, Braveheart, Smokey, Sixpack (for his humor), Be informed, and many others. Good luck and welcome….
        http://www.survivalblog.com/index.html
        http://theprepperproject.com/
        http://stephaniedayle1.blogspot.com/
        http://www.physiciansforcivildefense.org/
        http://ofthefield.com/
        http://www.tacda.org/
        http://www.nationalsos.com/

      • Road Runner says:

        Teen Prepper: Just put Jesus Christ first and do not look back and do not listen to men! Put your hand to plow and do not take them off.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        @Teen-Prepper
        Check out Rawles survival blog, JWR has a LOT of info on his site in his archives.

      • KY Mom says:

        teen_prepper,

        That is wonderful you have started prepping! The responses have given you very good advice on getting started. I too started my food storage with extra canned foods. A few years ago a Mormon friend kindly gave me this list on ‘getting started’. Hope you will find this helpful.

        A good food storage rule to remember is “Save what you eat and eat what you save.”

        Getting Started
        A List of food and supplies to save – from the Mormons. (I added coffee and tea.)

        FOOD AND SUPPLIES TO SAVE:

        Canned fruit and vegetables
        Canned meat – tuna, chicken, salmon, ham
        Canned soup, chili or stew
        Canned jellies or jams
        Water storage – empty and cleaned 2 liter soda bottles (for drinking) and Clorax containers (for washing, cleaning, etc.) work great for this.
        Pasta & Spaghetti sauce
        Wheat
        Rice
        Corn Meal
        Dry Beans
        Dried and canned milk
        Cereal
        Dehydrated eggs
        Mayonnaise & Mustard
        Sprouting seeds *see below
        Snacks – popcorn, etc.
        Coffee, Tea

        BAKING SUPPLIES – flour, salt, yeast, baking powder, baking soda, oil, white sugar, brown sugar, spices/flavorings, jello, vinegar, syrup, cake mixes.

        DETERGENTS – bleach (unscented), liquid laundry soap, cleansers, dish soap.

        PERSONAL PRODUCTS – First aid kit, toilet tissue (1 roll/wk), hand soap, shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant, razors, Tylenol, rubbing alcohol, Epsom salt, feminine hygiene products, cotton balls, vitamins, aluminum foil, garbage bags.

        TOOLS/MISC. – Axe, hammer, non-hybrid garden seeds, hoe, garden tools, duct tape, lighters, matches, lamp and lamp oil, Swiss army knife, sewing kit, clothes line, clothes pins, clothes drying rack, manual wheat grinder, guns, ammo, gold, silver, and a good food storage and survival handbook.

        Buy extra of the above items when you shop. Can or bottle fruit and vegetables from your gardens and orchards. Learn how to preserve food through drying and possibly freezing. Make your storage a part of your budget. Store non-hybrid garden seeds and have sufficient tools on hand to do the job.

        *If there is an emergency situation, you may have to live on your stored food. If are unable to get fresh fruit or vegetables, you will need the “natural plant enzymes” that aid in digestion. Sprouts will provide your body with these needed enzymes. Raw sprouts are an excellent source of nutrition and can be grown in 3-4 days.

        from an Preparedness article:
        “I will share with you the following list of items that I have in my food storage: Salt, water in gallon jugs and 2 liter soda bottles, Clorox and Lugols iodine for disinfecting and purifying water (six drops per gallon of water), brown and white sugar, dry beans and pastas of all kinds, chili (Bryan brand is in cans that are white inside), mayonnaise, coffee, sardines, tea, olive oil, rice, baked beans and pork and beans, cereal, canned soups, kraut, salmon, canned white tuna in water, food bars, a few frozen dinners, olives, pickles and treats (chose those you like), cake mix, flour, cornmeal, seasonings for cooking, dried and canned milk, all paper products, cleaning products, basic patent medicines such as cough medicine, cough drops, Tylenol®, eye drops (Remember to store any medicines that you use on a regular basis).”

    37. eeder says:

      There is a possibility he is right, but Faber has been wrong so much, it is hard to take him seriously. And, no, this is nothing like 1987. What we are experiencing now is quite different. I think PE ratios could go to ridiculous highs we have never seen before unless Uncle Ben does something drastic. Realistically, this will not happen. But hey, anything is possible. Keep your eye on the 10 year treasury note yield!

    38. Sally says:

      I thought this was interesting: Americans Giving Up Passports Jump Sixfold as Tougher Rules Loom http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-09/americans-giving-up-passports-jump-sixfold-as-tougher-rules-loom

    39. mikeincanada says:

      really twenty percent will get attention but not the collapse most people that visit here are looking for. Im busy preparing the best i can with what i have. I am not in a hurry for the big one but do not try to pick dates either. In my oppinion for what it is worth, i think we are in it now. But i think we will see events before the year end to help get it going so to speak. I think that the decision makers have a very clear plan. Even the most informed trend forecasters will not know the dates of events. Only God knows the dates,but that being said we are to be awake and vigilant. If we do that and keep our hearts right with God we will have all the warning we need as long as we listen. But be rest assured these things must and will all come to pass. God bless and ya!ll take care.
      Mike

    40. Satori says:

      Tyranny Rules

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-09/guest-post-tyranny-rules

      It is a mistake to believe that President Obama (or President Bush) is solely responsible for tyranny. Tyranny is never achieved by one person. Tyranny is a process. After some critical point, it becomes possible for one person to complete the job. The policies of Bismarck began the process that ended in a more than a half-century later in a Hitler.”

    41. sixpack says:

      Just about 20 minutes ago, 8:10pm, PST, the horizon lit up a shiny, weird orange color. The entire atmosphere was a bright orange. There was a thunder/lightning storm, without much rain, preceding it by a few minutes. I understand it was an astrological phenomenon.

      Did anybody else get to see it?

      • Bastet says:

        Why would someone downthumb this post? Must be a retard reading this site.
        BTW, I’m in Australia sixpack, so can’t help!

        • averageguy says:

          Bastet, it might have been a retard, or a spook trying to prevent people from noticing what’s taking place in the skies above our heads.
          Lots of strange things going on right now, no doubt about that.

      • Vicky says:

        Who knows why people randomly post a thumb’s down when it’s a sensible comment. Sixpack, where are you, loosely? We’re in EDT zone, and didn’t see anything, but that’s the whole continent away from you. I did get a space weather green alert, but don’t know that it causes any astronomical changes, unless you’re far enough north to have caught a glimpse of the Northern Lights. Please let us know. This is interesting..

        • sixpack says:

          I’m about an hour SE of Portland Oregon, Vicky. I posted the comment because, whatever it was, it only lasted for a few minutes. It was bright enough that I went to look out the window because I thought someone had turned one of those huge pole light setups (that they use in night construction) outside my house. The entire sky was lit up, not just the horizon (what I could see of it past buildings and trees).

          I found some info about a meteor/comet that was supposed to be really close to us on Aug 10th, so I was naturally wondering if it was that which lit up the sky at dusk.

          • I am east of the cascades. I viewed a reddish/orange sunset from here. I thought it was from the forest fires.

            • sixpack says:

              LSB, seems we’re in the same “Hood”, LOL…sounds like you saw the same thing. I suppose it could’ve looked like a massive forest fire, kinda like when the hills outside of Santa Barbara caught fire back in 1976. same color, but I happen to know the geography around here better than that, so I knew it wasn’t a fire.

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        sixpack that only happens here in the mountains of Western Wyoming,about three times a week. And it’s usually follow by a new forest fire. Trekker Out.

      • Night breaker says:

        Sixpack,
        That was an aurora we got hit with a mild solar storm .

        Semper Fi 8541

      • Road Runner says:

        Sixpack: same at Fukishima just before the Tsunami. HAARP? very likely. Weird orange over prefecture, if you search you might be able to find the pictures. It is associated with quite a few phenomenons.

      • Man on the inside says:

        It was me… I tried some of Watchmans chile….. note to self…. Should never smoke in the outhouse….

    42. The Lone Ranger says:

      My Friends,

      Kudos to everyone for their fine prepping efforts!

      Please listen carefully for it will not only be the economy that collapses:

      - Sometime this Fall (somewhere between 9/1 and 12/1) Martial Law will be declared (for a multitude of reasons);

      - Because legions of Foreign Troops have been spotted in increasing numbers in our country, especially in the past 6-months, expect them to arrive through nationalized train routes– that means your city and nearby town and my own;

      - You remember Gen. Schwartzkof’s strategy (his spelling is wrong, I know) to defeat the country he invaded? Crank THAT up to the HIGHEST notch and expect to be similarly invaded: economically, militarily, desperate non-preppers, etc.

      - If YOU were Satan, how would YOU go about conquering America, especially it’s Jews and its Christians?

      Simple: “Bribe” and “reward” certain key people in all walks of life to accomplish your agenda; pave the way for certain people who appear “nice” to get elected to key positions (do I really have to name those elected positions? By their fruits you shall know them and remember, niceness is NOT Goodness!); Next, stage fake terror events [Okl city; 9/11; Sandy Hook, Boston Bombings, etc etc…) to weaken and destroy the Constitution of the United States; Use the HAARP machine to make the weather kill and ruin others; Coordinate a Skynet intelligence apparatus but call it NSA-net and use FEAR, Satan’s typical weapon, to get people to comply; Release private briefings to all law enforcement agencies that “terrorists” exist and are your “typical” American and get them all worked up in a huff ready to use their weapons and make sure you get them to equate peaceful dissent with being UNpatriotic; Arrange for 80% of the military to be OUT of the country during the multi-leveled takeover; Manipulate an excessive number of foreign troops into this country and feed them propaganda about how Americans will turn “evil” when unrest occurs; Give vaccine companies immunity and put cancer causing and autism causing diseases in those vaccines in our country and even give them out for free in poor countries; Don’t forget to modify God’s created perfection GENETICALLY so the food you have modified will KILL God’s people; oh, and don’t forget to purchase about 2 BILLION bullets– about 6 bullets for every child, woman, and man– for the government and its “forces”, when they use force to defend their families, their property, their lives.

      BUT FEAR NOT, MY FRIENDS!

      All you have to do is This, according to Our Lord:

      1- Stock UP on water, nonperishable food, clothing, and other supplies ahead of time and get it ready to be put into your vehicle at a moment’s notice;

      2- WHEN Martial Law IS declared, listen for the PROMPTING that tells you to LEAVE for a Refuge Place;

      3- At that time Invoke your Guardian Angel who will appear, render you non-visible to any and all evil-doers, protect you, and who will guide you to a Refuge Place where Angels will keep you safe and food and fuel and water “will be multiplied”.

      4- Remember about THE WARNING: for a 15-minute period of time, everyone will have a mystical encounter with Jesus Christ where you will be shown all your sins and their effects and all the good you did in life and their effects and you will be shown exactly where you would be in heaven, purgatory, or hell IF you were to die that moment; DURING The Warning you will be given a choice: to repent of your sins and express genuine sorrow for them OR align yourself with the Antichrist and his evildoers.

      So you think I’m crazy? That don’t bother me. Go to the websites below and read all about this and see for yourself. Connect the dots.

      Better yet, far crazier is that one president lied about weapons of mass distraction, another presented a non-legitimate birth certificate and sealed his college and law school transcripts; we have enough nuclear weapons to annihilate the ENTIRE planet; we make sure the richest and near richest pay zilch in taxes; we legalize food designed to KILL us (GMO food); we put flouride in water to LOWER kids’ IQ scores; we do chem trails in the sky to harm people; and I could go on and on.

      My friends, YOU decide who and what is crazy. I’m on YOUR side.

      In fact, what you think of me is none of my business. And, I’d rather be happy than be right. But I felt called to share all this with you.

      It all adds up. Connect the dots. Never STOP connecting the dots. But make sure the Lord’s Plan is part of YOUR Prepping Plans.

      Oh, one FINAL thing and THIS is for all the Feds whose jobs it is to READ all these posts here:

      - Do you REALLY think YOU are going to get out of this alive if you KEEP ON engaging in the evil YOU are engaging in?

      - Just WHAT did Mr. Snowden SEE that so TERRIFIED the HECK out of him? So much so that he had to leave not one but three laptops with others in case anything ever happened to him? WHAT is ON those laptops that so scared the CRAP out of him?

      - You say you did NOT get to see Heath Ledger in the Batman Joker movie (the 2nd in the trilogy) where he played the Joker?

      - Oh, you DID see it?

      - And you do NOT remember how he killed all the evil doers BELOW him in the chain of authority AFTER they helped him accomplish his death and destruction?

      - And YOU think you are SO bold and SO smart that YOU won’t be destroyed by Satan and his minions when this coordinated Plan to destroy Jews and Christians goes down?

      - What plan you say? You know, the plan you are a part of– because it’s your JOB to READ this! And for WHAT? There are no monsters here. There are no psychopaths here. There is no one here threatening anyone’s life. We are God-fearing people, honest people, hard working people, and we want to LIVE!

      Get right with God, my sister and my brother. These times ARE the end times. The world will NOT end, it will be TRANSFORMED– after Christ returns to send the antichrist and all evildoers, and all who have rejected His Mercy into Hell.

      When I took religion classes as a child, and learned about the Book of Revelation, I said to myself, “Yeah, that will happen centuries from now after I’m LONG gone.”

      Well, my friends, I have increasingly found out in the past 7-months that not only was I wrong but that THE final BATTLE between Jesus and Satan IS commencing AND He (Jesus) is using His various prophets (see websites below) to warn His people and aid them.

      I’m just trying to summarize it but I always end up writing a darn book, forgive me.

      No matter who you are, no matter what you have done, God loves all of us. No matter who you are. No matter what you have done. Get right with God. Read about God’s Plan of Protection for His children, all His children. The time for The Warning is very very soon. Saying that “it” will ONLY “hit” the fan is like saying 3 raindrops alone will drown you. Some very VERY scary stuff is going to go down very soon, SO scary that it will make “Mary Poppings” seem like the Predator or Aliens movie. Trust in your God. Give time to your God in prayer. Make sure your Preps serve the God you trust, not the demon of Destruction.

      http://www.THEWARNINGSECONDCOMING.com

      http://www.JohnLeary.com

      - The Lone Ranger

      • Road Runner says:

        Lone Ranger: I am dumbfounded by your ignorance. You are steeped in Roman Catholicism.

        • The Lone Ranger says:

          I KNEW that was you, RR, your comments are always so PROFOUNDLY judgmental.

          Have u ever looked at your judgmentalness in the mirror? Compassion must come hard for you.

          And by the way, those Messages are given by God for everyone, even you who is not RC.

          When the evil descends, you’ll remember my post, and thank me.

          God bless you.

          The Lone Ranger

      • Lone Ranger,
        I took a look at one post from (thewarnings.com/the comet)—whoever the “so – called prophet” was., talking as if a ‘word from the Lord’ own mouth ‘, and I gotta say it- that is NOT scriptural!
        I agree with what you said about getting right with God and Jesus soon return but beware of fake shyt like that….test all such things against the Lord’s word first before believing them, brother.

        • sixpack says:

          “Anything more or less than that is not of me”, or something like that.

        • The Lone Ranger says:

          Of course it’s not Scriptural.

          It’s because it is Revelation, an in-person Revelation, when Christ appears to someone (or the Blessed Mother).

          The Messages are meant for everyone, not just RC’s.

          As for fake crap, you can read the 7/3/13 Message that foretold of the China earthquake they just suffered (6.6 on the Richter scale).

          Thank you for your honesty! God bless you.

          The Lone Ranger

      • Kulafarmer says:

        “- If YOU were Satan, how would YOU go about conquering America, especially it’s Jews and its Christians?”
        I would utilize a weaponized chem/bio weapon that would kill everyone and leave infrastructure in place, then i would wait 3 months and send out the cleanup crews to turn anything i didnt want to keep to rubble and bury it where it falls.
        Then i would selectively repopulate with my chosen peeps.

      • possee says:

        Lone Ranger

        I think you’ll find that the majority of us listen to our own divine principle within from all walks of faith or none at all..

        I like most follow no one,nor idolize anyone nor anything.

        Faith is personal and we all have our visions of being saved or not..and no one can predict the future outcome..be it religious, geo political or economic..

        Life is a gamble..live it to the fullest and embrace the beauty in your own lives every day..and express it to those who surround you..

        possee

        That will bring you peace..

    43. Ugly says:

      EcclesiaUglies:

      A penny saved is a penny earned. That is why I work 60 hours a week, so I can save my leftover pennies.

      The new tax code–What did you make?–send it in!

      From Will Rogers, ‘I never met a man that I didn’t like’
      From Ugly, ‘I trust no one until I shake their hand’

      You know you are stupid when someone else is managing your money….

      Who wins–the lazy clod that gets free food and rent, or the poor working bastard that pays his bills and starves?

      Favorite bumper sticker–Life is a Bitch. And then you marry one.

      A rich man earns interest, a poor man pays it.

      Does money grow on trees? Today, it does !!!!

      Be prepared.

    44. Marc Faber…

      While I was playing the markets and filling my treasure chest, everything was fine and dandy. There was no fraud or corruption.

      Now that I see others getting richer than me, I’m getting pissed.

      They must be cheating and lying.

    45. Watchman says:

      Trench Beans
      1 lb. dry pinto beans, cooked
      1 tbsp. seasoned salt
      1 tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
      1 tbsp. A-1 Steak Sauce
      1/8 tsp. Tabasco
      1 tsp. lemon pepper
      1 tsp. onion powder
      Soak and cook beans. When tender, add seasonings and simmer an additional 30 minutes.

      Battalion Baked Beans
      1 large can pork and beans
      1/2 cup tomato catsup
      6 small onions (or 1 jar small onions)
      1/2 cup brown sugar
      1 tsp. vinegar
      2 tbsp. molasses
      1 tsp. dry prepared mustard
      bacon strips
      Combine all ingredients except bacon and spoon into a casserole dish. Cover with strips of bacon. Bake at 300 degrees to 350 degrees for 1 hour or until the bacon is done and the beans are bubbly.

      Secession Baked Beans
      2 cans pork and beans (or 3 cups cooked dry beans)
      1/4 cup molasses
      1/2 cup tomato sauce (3/4 cup if more liquid is needed)
      1 medium onion, sliced into rings
      1/2 tsp. dry prepared mustard
      1/4 tsp. salt (or more to taste)
      dash of pepper
      3 strips of bacon, cut in half (optional)
      Combine everything except bacon. Pour into 1-1/2 quart casserole dish. If you use bacon, arrange on top of the bean mixture. Bake at 325 degrees for 2 hours or 375 degrees for 1 hour.

      Bean-Rice Casserole
      3 cups water
      1 cup uncooked rice
      1/2 cup quick-cooking black beans (see previous section for instructions on preparing quick-cooking beans or substitute cooked dried beans or a can of cooked beans)
      1 tbsp. instant beef bouillon
      3 tbsp. margarine
      1/2 cup chopped dried apricots
      1/2 cup chopped dried pineapple
      Put all ingredients in a frying pan and mix. Cover and cook over medium heat for about 20 minutes. Don’t stir while it’s cooking because that will make the rice gummy. When the water has been absorbed, test rice for doneness. If it’s still a little chewy, add a little more water and cook a few minutes more.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

    46. Watchman says:

      Carolina Red Rice
      1/4 lb. bacon
      3/4 cup chopped onions
      2 cups cooked rice
      2 cups canned tomatoes (or reconstituted dried tomatoes)
      1/2 tsp. salt
      1/2 tsp. pepper
      1/4 tsp. Tabasco sauce
      Cook bacon, remove from pan and crumble. Cook onions in bacon fat until tender. Add rice, tomatoes, seasonings and crumbled bacon. Cook on low heat about 35 minutes, stirring well. Stir with fork several times while cooking. Check after 15 minutes and add water if needed.

      Hopping John
      2 cups cooked black-eyed peas
      2 cups cooked rice
      1 chopped onion (optional)
      2 tbsp. butter
      dash salt, pepper and hot sauce
      Blend and heat slowly about 30 minutes.

      Hopping John Soup
      1 cup dry black-eyed peas (“southern caviar”)
      8 cups water
      6 slices bacon
      3/4 cup chopped onion
      1 clove garlic, minced
      1 cup regular rice
      2 tsp. salt
      1/4 tsp. pepper
      Rinse black-eyed peas. In a large saucepan add the peas and water, bring to a boil 2 minutes. Remove from heat and let stand 1 hour. Drain, setting aside 6 cups of the cooking liquid. In heavy saucepan, cook the bacon, onion and garlic until the bacon is crisp and the onion is tender but not brown. Remove the bacon, drain on paper towels: crumble and set aside. Stir the black-eyed peas, raw rice, salt, pepper and reserved cooking liquid into mixture in saucepan. Bring to a boil, cover and reduce heat. Simmer 1 hour, stirring occasionally. Stir in crumbled bacon and it’s ready to serve eight regular folks or two good ol’ boys.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

      • yental says:

        Those are some delicious sounding recipes. I can easily imagine living very well on any/all of them. I can also imagine “other group members” less than appreciative of the “digestive results” (unless also eating said recipes and becoming equally “armed”).

        Note to self: Pickup a case of “BEANO” as part of “comfort preps” considerations. ;)

      • ChickenLittle says:

        Watchman,

        Thank you, it seems that a lot of people here are to rant. It is nice to get some info that will help whether or not something is coming. Give some advise, tell a joke, or tell how to do something. That is the true Shit Hit The Fan Plan…

        Now what about a Garlic, onion, rice, bean, green pepper, Butternut squash, corn, or tomato recipe? What about recipes for diabetics? I heard swiss chard is good for that…

    47. Satori says:

      more guns
      LESS crime

      Picturing The Plunge In Gun Crimes (As Gun Sales Surge)

      http://www.blacklistednews.com/Picturing_The_Plunge_In_Gun_Crimes_(As_Gun_Sales_Surge)/27986/0/38/38/Y/M.html

      correlation isn’t necessarily causation

      but interesting stats never the less

    48. PenCRNA says:

      I’m having a bumper crop of blackberries this year. Though I would share this recipe I found for
      Blackberry preserves

      10 cups blackberries
      3 cups sugar
      1/2 cup fresh lemon juice

      In a non reactive bowl, toss together blackberries and sugar. Let stand 8hrs at room temp or refrig overnight

      Have ready hot sterilized jars and lids

      Place a sieve or colander over large on reactive saucepan. Pour blackberry mixture into the sieve to drain. Remove sieve with berries and set aside. Bring sugar syrup to a boil over med heat. Add the lemon juice. Mixture will foam up. Reduce heat as necessary to prevent boiling over. Cook syrup until reduced by half (5-10 min). Gently stir in blackberries to heat through , about 2 minutes.

      Ladle preserves into hot jars with 1/4 in headspace. Remove air bubbles and adjust headspace if necessary. Wipe rims clean and seal tightly with lids.

      Process jars for 10 mins in boiling water bath.

    49. PenCRNA says:

      I’m having a bumper crop of blackberries this year. Though I would share this recipe I found for
      Blackberry preserves

      10 cups blackberries
      3 cups sugar
      1/2 cup fresh lemon juice

      In a non reactive bowl, toss together blackberries and sugar. Let stand 8hrs at room temp or refrig overnight

      Have ready hot sterilized jars and lids

      Place a sieve or colander over large on reactive saucepan. Pour blackberry mixture into the sieve to drain. Remove sieve with berries and set aside. Bring sugar syrup to a boil over med heat. Add the lemon juice. Mixture will foam up. Reduce heat as necessary to prevent boiling over. Cook syrup until reduced by half (5-10 min). Gently stir in blackberries to heat through , about 2 minutes.

      Ladle preserves into hot jars with 1/4 in headspace. Remove air bubbles and adjust headspace if necessary. Wipe rims clean and seal tightly with lids.

      Process jars for 10 mins in boiling water bath.

    50. Watchman says:

      Whole Wheat Biscuit Mix for Dumplings
      1 cup white flour
      1 cup whole wheat flour
      2 tsp. baking powder
      1 tsp. salt
      2 tbsp. shortening or oil
      1/4 cup powdered milk
      Combine at home and store in a zip-lock bag or Nalgene bottle. In camp, add 3 tablespoons water per 1/2 cup biscuit mix and mix well. Spoon into boiling stew or soup. Simmer 10 minutes uncovered and 10 minutes covered.

      Cornmeal Dumplings
      1 cup cornmeal
      1/4 tsp. black pepper
      ham stock
      Mix cornmeal and pepper. While ham stock is boiling, pour some over meal mixture and stir into dough. Make stiff enough to form balls the size of an egg and drop in briskly boiling stock. Reduce heat and simmer 20 minutes.

      Dumplings
      4 cups flour
      1/3 cup lard or other shortening
      1-1/2 to 2 cups water
      Mix together flour and lard. Add water and mix thoroughly. Toss dough on a floured surface until coated with flour. Divide into 4 balls and roll dough out 1 ball at a time to about 1/4-inch or thinner. Cut in strips and cut strips into 2-inch pieces. Add a few pieces at a time to boiling broth. Cook uncovered, making sure that each dumpling is under the liquid part of the time. cook about 5 to 10 minutes. Makes 4 to 5 large servings. (Note: If using self rising flour, make sure to use hot water so dough will rise before cooking.)

      Beef Stew with Dumplings
      1-1/2 pounds rump roast
      1/4 cup flour
      1-1/2 tsp. salt
      1/4 tsp. pepper
      1 small onion
      1/3 cup cubed carrots
      1/3 cup cubed turnips
      4 cups potatoes, quartered
      Wipe meat off, remove from the bone, cut in 1-1/2 inch cubes. Mix flour with salt and pepper and cover meat with mixture. Heat some fat from meat in a frying pan. Add meat and brown. Put meat with browned fat in stew kettle, add boiling water to cover. Simmer until tender, about 3 hours. Add carrots and turnips for last hour of cooking. Add potatoes 20 minutes and dumplings 15 minutes before serving. Use one of the dumpling recipes above.

      Chicken and Dumplings
      1 stewing hen
      3 cups flour
      1 egg
      1 heaping tablespoon shortening
      1 tsp. salt
      1/2 cup cold water
      Cut chicken for stewing. Barely cover with water and cook until tender for about 2 to 3 hours. Remove chicken from stock and remove bones. Put flour in mixing bowl. In center of flour put egg, shortening and salt. Gradually add cold water. Work plenty of flour into dough. Roll thin and cut in 2×3-inch strips. When dumplings are added to broth, lower heat and simmer about 12 to 15 minutes. Place the chicken back in the stew. A little butter may be added if chicken is lacking in fat.

      Chicken Pot Pie
      3 to 4 cups cooked chopped chicken
      1 16-ounce can mixed vegetables, drained
      1 can cream of chicken soup
      1 cup chicken broth
      1 cup self-rising flour (if using ordinary flour, add 1 tsp. baking powder and 1/2 tsp. salt)
      1 tsp. baking powder
      1 cup milk
      1/2 stick (1/4 cup) margarine, melted
      Place chicken in a large casserole dish and add vegetables, soup and broth. Mix together, in a separate bowl, the next 4 ingredients for the topping. Pour the topping mixture over the chicken. Bake at 425 degrees for about 45 minutes or until the crust is golden brown.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

    51. James in Dallas says:

      Off topic…
      @ mountain trekker
      I have just about convinced my wife that we need to move out of Dallas. I have been looking for a couple of acres in Montana or Wyoming. Any thoughts or suggestions as to where to look? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
      James

      • Dave in Id says:

        @ James in Dallas. on the left column of this site there is a web destination: click on “Alt Market”. That is northwest Montana. Brandon Smith might point you in the right direction for the Kalispell area.

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        James in Dallas, without being to specific, Lander Wyoming is a beautiful little town. Not to large and not to small, around 7,000 Pop. 24 miles from Riverton Wy. which is around 10,000 has a Wal Mart and anything you might need. Lander is right on the edge of the mountains, good hunting and fishing. I get into both but I live in neither town. Moved to Wy. about 4 years ago, and I love it. Nuff Said. Trekker Out.

      • lastmanstanding says:

        survivalblog has a realty service for those areas.

    52. Watchman says:

      In case of a long-term survival situation, the following bread and biscuit recipes don’t require eggs or yeast and can be prepared with foodstuffs which will keep on a pantry shelf without refrigeration (except whole wheat flour which you should grind as needed):

      South Boston Brown Bread
      1 cup rye flour
      1 cup yellow cornmeal
      1 cup whole wheat flour
      2 tbsp. plain white flour
      2 tsp. baking soda
      3/4 tsp. salt
      3/4 cup raisins
      2 cups buttermilk or sour milk (to sour milk, put 2 tbsp. lemon juice or vinegar in a pint container, add milk to make 2 cups, stir and let sit a few minutes until clabbered)
      3/4 cup molasses
      Sift dry ingredients together. Add raisins. Stir. Mix buttermilk with molasses and pour into dry mixture. Blend well and pour into greased 9×5-inch loaf pan (do not use 8×4-inch pan unless you enjoy cleaning your oven). Bake at 350 degrees for about 45 minutes.

      Old-Fashioned Brown Bread
      2 cups graham or whole wheat flour
      1 cup all-purpose flour
      1 tsp. baking soda
      1/2 tsp. salt
      1 cup dark molasses
      1 cup buttermilk
      1/2 cup low-fat milk
      Mix graham flour, all-purpose flour, baking soda and salt in a medium size bowl. In a large bowl, combine molasses, buttermilk and low-fat milk; stir until blended. Add flour mixture to milk mixture; stir until well blended. Pour batter into a greased 9×5-inch loaf pan. Bake at 325 degrees until bread begins to pull away from sides of pan and a skewer inserted in center comes out clean (1 to 1-1/4 hours). Let cool in pan on a rack for 10 minutes, then turn out onto rack and let cool completely.

      Master Biscuit Mix
      4 cups whole wheat flour
      4 cups unbleached or all-purpose flour
      1/3 cup baking powder
      1 tbsp. salt
      Mix all ingredients (store in refrigerator or freezer for later use, if desired). To prepare, take 1-1/2 cups of master biscuit mix and add 3/4 cup milk and 2 tablespoons vegetable oil. Mix. With a large spoon, drop mounds of batter on baking sheet or cast iron skillet. Bake at 425 degrees for about 15 minutes or until the tops are brown.

      Cabin Buttermilk Biscuits
      2 cups flour
      2 tsp. baking powder
      1/4 tsp. baking soda
      1 tsp. salt
      1 cup buttermilk (about)
      2 tbsp. lard or shortening
      Sift dry ingredients together and blend with lard or shortening. Add buttermilk, about one cup to make soft dough. Roll on a floured board until 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick and cut with drinking glass or biscuit cutter. Place on baking sheet and bake in 350 degrees oven about 10 minutes or until brown.

      Mammy’s Baking Powder Biscuits
      2 cups flour
      4 tsp. baking powder
      1/4 tsp. salt
      2 tbsp. shortening
      1/2 cup milk
      Sift dry ingredients together. Work in shortening with fingertips. Add milk slowly, stirring the batter until smooth. Roll on a floured board until 1/2-inch thick and cut. Place on a baking sheet and bake in a hot (450 degrees) oven for 15 minutes.
      Rebel Yell Whole Wheat Biscuits
      2 cups whole wheat flour
      2 cups unbleached or plain white flour
      1-1/2 tsp. salt
      8 tsp. baking powder
      1/2 cup vegetable oil
      1-1/2 cups milk (or more)
      Mix dry ingredients. Combine oil and milk. Stir the liquid into the dry mixture quickly. On greased baking sheets, make mounds of dough using a large spoon, leaving enough space to allow for expansion. Bake at 425 degrees for about 12 minutes.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

    53. 2525AD says:

      In the year 2525 if man is still alive, if woman can survive they will find……pinheads on this site blaming the Jews for hemorrhoids, ants at a picnic,and the fact that their penis is waaaay too small.

    54. Trailer Park Investor says:

      Gonna Be a lot more than 20% try 60 to 70% drop, maybe more.
      What goes up must come down.
      And brother we got a long way down to go.
      Buckle up this ride gets real rough from here on!

    55. Ted Kennedy says:

      Putin has bigger balls. Never thought I’d see the day…

    56. Be informed says:

      I don’t know if others are going to link this, but EVERYONE needs to see this video on the power of water. This is the Pacific Northwest WHEN the Cascadia fault goes. This is the southeast U.S. WHEN the eastern section of the Caribbean plate breaks, possibly WHEN the northern section goes. This is a tsunami.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/japan-earthquake/2013/08/shocking-new-japan-tsunami-video-found-released-on-youtube-2443316.html

      Watch as the classice receding of the water from the inlet and the boats go on to dry before the water really starts to rush in. It never ceases to amaze on much destruction water has on everything in its path. The water just keeps coming in, cycle after cycle. Frightening to see, as this can be so much taller and faster closer to the tsunami site. That much more terrible in shallow waters, especially in the Gulf Shelf regions. Much worse than most hurricane storm surges. A must see.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        That video was wild,
        If i was one of those people i would have had serious doubts about any sort of future!
        We have tsunami warnings here, and people constantly are now saying they are a wate of time because we never really get hit, i recommend forwarding this video to anyone you know who lives in a coastal area.
        Scary shit

    57. Lavabit founder closes business and can’t even say why, http://fxn.ws/13N87TR
      fox news

    58. Water proof matches ;

      Soak in turpentine 5 minutes, let dry on newspaper 20 minutes.
      Or-
      Dip in candle wax, after cooling pinch tip to form tight seal.
      -or-
      Dip in clear nail polish, let dry on paper towel on counter top with the tip hanging off edge.
      Be sure the wood gets coated 1/3rd tip down either method used.

    59. Banksters lament
      (C) 2010 by Piper Michael

      Gangsters on Wall Street, very nice clothes,
      they pulled a gun, of paper they sewed,
      what once was good, has been conceived,
      no more justice, have been deceived.

      Millions of documents, to the sky,
      has killed America, please don’t sigh,
      you may argue, but you don’t know,
      we are dying, in paper snow.

      Paper snow, has built the shame,
      of a once great land, that went insane,
      millions of jobs, and factories abound,
      the great sucking sound, of crashing down.

      We were an empire, a once great land,
      we stole the wealth, out of everyones sand,
      who decided, who gets the shame,
      where did it go, and who takes the blame.

      Gangsters, banksters, same old thing,
      they took it all, they delivered the Sting,
      prosperity, was claimed for all,
      went out the door, and we do fall.

      Congress shrugged, stuck out their hands,
      NAFTA was easy, the people be damned,
      move it out, we all fall down,
      cheaper things, in the country be found.

      The people were dumb, and they were fooled,
      ideology of evil, was the tool,
      the people do fight, and the people do howl,
      how could this thing, happen, so foul?

      Its simple I tell you, all day long,
      the rich want it all, and for a song,
      inflation comes, and makes you rich,
      deflation follows, you’re in the ditch.

      Wealth does come, out of the ground,
      it makes a big old happy sound,
      Rich sneaks up, and sticks a knife,
      in the back of the nation, filled with strife.

      The wealthy build, and the rich tear down,
      please see the difference, don’t wear a frown,
      you did listen, to their guff,
      as they take it all, you’re in a huff.

      Cents on the dollar, they buy your lands,
      as you sit, upon your hands,
      you do nothing, you sit and cry,
      as they take it all, in a rage you’ll fly.

      Now money is funny, it works like this,
      paper is cheap, and the more of it,
      the higher things go, the less that you gits,
      the rich get richer, and the poor have fits.

      The Government, does love the high,
      of buying your votes, with paper pies,
      the poor don’t care, just give me mine,
      the good give up, they just don’t try.

      Gangsters lie, and banksters cheat,
      Gold man puts, a country to sleep,
      the country dies, and they do tweat,
      Sachs of doo, they have it sweet.

      Now debts do mount, up to the sky,
      and we all sit, and just get high,
      movies or tv, it makes no dif,
      keep heads in the sand, don’t make a tif.

      So the GMan buys, all the paper snow,
      and puts it in a closet you know,
      the rich men profit, but we don’t hold,
      the GMan says, the poor pays the toll.

      But Gman was bought, a long time ago,
      when money went bad, on the Feds big throne,
      welfare and warfare, markets go bad,
      as good men see, and just get sad.

      Sadness won’t fix, what’s broken friend,
      nor violence either, the country will bend,
      a much greater monster, will come to try,
      of a GMan in terror, your people to die.

      Good men are asking, all over the land,
      as they do vanish, it is at hand,
      we have arrived, oh where do we stand,
      Atlas Shrugged, is here, at hand.

      The question is, what can be saved,
      to go insane, or leave these knaves,
      what can we do, to make it halt,
      just ask the question, “Who is John Galt?”

    60. RickInOregon says:

      Off topic alert:

      Fishing report,

      Three of us fished my boat out of Depoe Bay Oregon. Got up at 2 am left the house by 2:30 and arrived at the port by 5:30. Picked up one crew guy on the way. We left port in heavy fog, running on instruments and ran north about 6 mile to set crab traps then a NW course to the tuna grounds. The seas were a little mixed, sometimes a NW swell and sometimes a west swell, sometimes 6′, sometimes 4′, sometimes both at once coming from different directions. The farther out we got the better the conditions got. We ended up about 42 miles out and were still short of where we needed to be but 42 miles out is the limit of my boats safe fuel range. We fished a temperature break and scratched out a few albacore tuna. We started to work our way back in a fish where ever we say some sign. We ended the day with a dozen tuna and a half dozen crab.

      One of the crew was a cherry, he had never been tuna fishing or off shore fishing. He asked what does the bite look like. I told him their finicky biters and that the rod tip will just slightly move. We’re trolling 8 inch long plugs at 8 mph and the rod tips are pulsating and he’s looking at all 8 rods at the same time trying to see the light tap of a tuna. When the first tuna hit and bent the rod over and the reel started to scream my deck boss yells at me that we snagged up a log and I tell the cherry to reel it up. It didn’t take long for him to figure out it wasn’t a log. After the second hook up with a bent rod and screaming reel, he stopped watching the rod tips. We caught some tuna on light tackle and let him fight them in. It was a good day for him but nothing great for the boat.

      Got back home about midnight and this morning I’m planning my next trip out.

    61. You don’t own shit!

      no matter what you think you own, the government says otherwise

      http://news.yahoo.com/reality-real-world-mountain-man-style-195030107.html

      He should have never opened it up, learn from this guy, never show anyone what you have..because as soon as you do, the lawyers, and public and the city are going to come looking for their pound of flesh

     
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