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    Do You Qualify as a Domestic Terrorist?

    Mac Slavo
    April 6th, 2011
    SHTFplan.com
    Comments (87)
    Read by 11,264 people

    A few weeks ago Bernard von NotHaus, purveyor of the gold/silver backed “Liberty Dollar”, was convicted on numerous charges including making, possessing, and selling his own coins, as well as conspiracy against the United States. Western District of North Carolina US attorney Anne Tompkins issued a Department of Justice press release that should raise blaring, high decibel sirens across the entire Union:

    Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism, U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country, she added. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.

    The definitions for what is or is not a “terrorist” are ambiguous as defined by the Patriot Act, and have been progressively, hastily and secretively expanded over the course of the last decade. A “terrorist,” it seems, is now anyone who actively engages in an activity – whether it’s violent, peaceful, public or private – perceived to threaten the legitimacy and/or stability of our government.

    An eighteen year veteran of law enforcement recently published an article at James Rawles’ Survival Blog detailing how perceptions in law enforcement are being molded to fit the new paradigm. The use of the term “terrorist” to describe a wide variety of crimes, and more alarmingly, the passive behaviors of those who intend to do no harm to the government or the public, is being injected into the broader consciousness and everyday semantics of the American people.

    During the past several years, I have witnessed a dramatic shift in the focus of law enforcement training.  Law enforcement courses have moved away from a local community focus to a federally dominated model of complete social control. Most training I have attended over the past two years have been sponsored by Department of Homeland Security (DHS), namely the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

    No matter what topic the training session concerns, every DHS sponsored course I have attended over the past few years never fails to branch off into warnings about potential domestic terrorists in the community.  While this may sound like a valid officer and community safety issue, you may be disturbed to learn how our Federal government describes a typical domestic terrorist.

    These federal trainers describe the dangers of extremists and militia groups roaming the community and hiding in plain sight, ready to attack.  Officers are instructed how to recognize these domestic terrorists by their behavior, views and common characteristics.  State data bases are kept to track suspected domestic terrorists and officers are instructed on reporting procedures to state and federal agencies.  The state I work in, like many others, have what is known as a fusion center that compiles a watch list of suspicious people.

    So how does a person qualify as a potential domestic terrorist?  Based on the training I have attended, here are characteristics that qualify:

    • Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
    • Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
    • Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
    • Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
    • Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
    • Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
    • Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
    • Homeschooling
    • Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
    • Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

    Reading this law enforcement officer’s account may seem like conjecture, considering that we’re supposed to be living in America, historically the last bastion of freedom in the world. But this isn’t conjecture, nor are these the ravings of a disgruntled law enforcement officer.

    Take, for example, the now infamous MIAC Report, from the Missouri Information Analysis Center, which is responsible for collecting incident reports of suspicious activity and analyzing those incidents to build profiles of potential terrorists and terrorist activity:

    The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as militia influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties.

    Police are educated in the document that people are are anti-abortion, own gold, display an assortment of U.S. flags, or even those that talk about the film Zeitgeist, view the police as their enemy and conflates them with domestic terrorists like Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph and other domestic militia groups who have been charged with plotting terrorist attacks.

    Across the entire United States, similar reports are being disseminated to law enforcement, and as incidents of “domestic terrorism” become more broadly prosecuted, reported, and the terminology is further entranced into the daily vocabulary, more people will find themselves the target of probes, investigations and on terrorist watch lists, no-fly lists, and no-work lists.

    In a previous report we facetiously opined and calculated that the terrorist watch list may exceed the US population by 2019. Perhaps we weren’t so far off with our assessment.

    Given the direction things are going, and the sheer scope of the tentacles of the ever-growing police state, it’s only a matter of time before everyone, regardless of lifestyle choice, preferred reading genre, political leaning, religious conviction, shopping behavior, hobbies and interests, will qualify as a ‘domestic terrorist.’

    Be advised: You are now a “person of interest.”

    References: Survival Blog, Daily Bail, Prison Planet, Intel Hub, Epoch Times, DOJ, Activist Post

    During the past several years, I have witnessed a dramatic shift in the focus of law enforcement training.  Law enforcement courses have moved away from a local community focus to a federally dominated model of complete social control.  Most training I have attended over the past two years have been sponsored by Department of Homeland Security (DHS), namely the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). 

    No matter what topic the training session concerns, every DHS sponsored course I have attended over the past few years never fails to branch off into warnings about potential domestic terrorists in the community.  While this may sound like a valid officer and community safety issue, you may be disturbed to learn how our Federal government describes a typical domestic terrorist.

    These federal trainers describe the dangers of “extremists” and “militia groups” roaming the community and hiding in plain sight, ready to attack.  Officers are instructed how to recognize these domestic terrorists by their behavior, views and common characteristics.  State data bases are kept to track suspected domestic terrorists and officers are instructed on reporting procedures to state and federal agencies.  The state I work in, like many others, have what is known as a “fusion center” that compiles a watch list of suspicious people.

    So how does a person qualify as a potential domestic terrorist?  Based on the training I have attended, here are characteristics that qualify:

    Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
    Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
    Survivalist literature (fictional books such as “Patriots” and “One Second After” are mentioned by name)
    Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
    Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
    Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
    Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
    Homeschooling
    Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
    Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

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    Date: April 6th, 2011
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    1. NMCB3 says:

      The US government are terrorists plain and simple. Their pointing of fingers at others doesnt change this fact.

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    2. TnAndy says:

      Anyone that posts on boards like this is already on a list.  Gives some weenie govt employee a job compiling them.  So what ?

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    3. I hit every single one of those….  The only “maybe” is that I havent sent my $$ to the NRA, but I do support what they support (for the most part)…
       
      Seriously – us homeschoolers are a threat to this Country?   Really?   How about they get honest, and we homeschoolers are a threat to their JOBS because we actually read the founding documents and teach history without an agenda….   And therefore KNOW how off course and evil many of those in power are….
       
       

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    4. Man Up says:

      The only reason “we the people” feel or look at some police as the enemy is because they themselves look at us, the public, as Terrorist. That’s a fact! If someone doesn’t like you or looks at you strangely how do you react to them? Not very nice I’m sure.

      America is not a free country anymore as far as I’m concerned; it’s gotten way out of control. I have no doubt I’m on that list… either there is a new helicopter fly zone over my house or someone is keeping an eye on me. Paranoid? Maybe. I have good cause and so do you the way this country quickly becoming a police state.

      Do I qualify as a domestic terrorist? Yes I do! My question is… whose left that’s not on this list? Are you telling me that the elite don’t own any gold? The Mormons don’t stockpile food? And that We don’t have a given right to the declarations of the constitution and civil liberties… THE FUCK WE DON’T!!!
       

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    5. Gods Creation says:

      Everybody is already on the government corps list of owned assets.
      Those with the most to steal will be the first targets of the newer lists.  The best route to safety is to get out of their money system so it appears you have nothing to steal.
      They don’t control you, only their money.  Trade it off as soon as you get it.  They will not try to take what you exchange it for because they have no legal right to do so, unlike the cash you carry and they own.

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    6. Havok says:

      Mac,
      If it comes down to it, are you prepared to wipe this site and all these comments to protect us and our IP’s?
      All of these websites we all routinely visit could be used as a government list to track “threats”.

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    7. Havok, great question… If one wanted to, the SHTFplan database of comments, posts, and anything I have ever added to the site could be wiped in about 60 seconds.

      However, this site, as well as every other web site (99.9%) on the internet is hosted via a third-party web host. As such, everything is mirrored on RAID drives / back up drives (in the event of hacker attacks, loss of data, etc.). All of that is managed by the web hosts (or in the case of blogger, wordpress.org, etc. by those organizations). Neither I or any other web site owner would have access to these files, so wiping my databases/logs would not be effective in that sense.

      Even if I did have access to the backup files, and could complete wipe out everything, there is still an IP log stretching all the way from my web site back to your computer… every router or switch your connection touches is logged somewhere… So, if one wanted to, they could probably pull logs directly at the web host of all IP’s accessing this web site (or any other web site they wanted to pull such data on) and I wouldn’t even know about it.

      Also, I hold the view that, while this web server uses high level security, and we have the latest WordPress updates (the application we use to manage all of the content here at SHTFplan), any federal cyber agency could probably break right in as they see fit – thus, if they wanted the IP’s from this site or others, they’d pull that info with little trouble.

      While we may have a sense of privacy because we surf the web in our homes, everything we do leaves a digital trail… search engine queries included…. I suspect that the Fusion centers popping all over the country could easily pull, aggregate and analyze everything a particular IP connection has done since it was turned on… it’s all logged and recorded somewhere… all that is really required at this point (if it doesn’t already exist, ahem, Echelon), is enough computer power to process the information.

      But don’t let that stop you from coming back to SHTFplan and commenting. :)

      Thanks for the comments all,

      Mac

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    8. AZ Ready says:

      I say, SO WHAT if I’m on the list, I already know I am. I own guns and have a CCW. Been hastled when I was pulled over for a traffic violation. Been hastled at the airport as well. When the SHTF they won’t have the manpower to do shit about it and I won’t be home anyway! If they are reading this, and I assume they can read because they went to public school, suck my ….!

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    9. DogMan says:

      Google has been tracking us for years and they know every site we’ve ever visited. Google is the NSA, so yes they probably have a line on us.  I have used credit cards to buy survival gear and surplus items on the web.  The gubment owns the banks so that data is there for them to look at as well.  They just keep ratcheting-up the heat.
      And this is interesting: Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” Isn’t that what Bernake and Geithner are doing – undermining our legitimate currency by printing more of it?

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    10. Patriot One says:

      I guess I’m already on the list, now what? Hey you missed a few; I’m a Christian, a business owner, conservative and a Vet. All the more reason to defund the government. They have way to much money and time on their hands.

      America is moving from a soft tyranny to a hard tyranny. Maybe its time for the government to be bankrupt and go back to their limited roll as defined by the Constitution.

      This stuff is allowed to be published to scare people from communicating, organizing and creating alternative means of trade.
      Call your members in congress to repael the Patriot Act.  

      It doesn’t matter if you rise up against the government or eat of the government cheese. To transform America into a socialist society will require the elimination of about 100 million people.

      Guess what the first to go will not be the ones who rise up. It will be the very people the government claims to be protecting and taking care of. Yes if you receive government benefits, are sick or just old. you will be the first to go.

      Indoctrination works on 75% of the population and that includes those who are there to serve and protect. These fusion centers are collecting information on everyone, not just those listed in the article.

      When you have a store card like those you use at the grocery or drug store that data is also going into fusion centers and you agreed to it. Facebook, Google and the likes did just become giants they had government help.

      My point is we willingly give up our information to anyone that asks or offer us a token of savings. The average person today is listed in hundreds of data bases and/or fusion centers and we did it to ourselves.

      Just think about how many government data bases you are in already. Can you think of them all?

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    11. GA Mom says:

      What a screwed up country we have become.  By an odd twist of fate someone who is self-reliant, religious and believes in the US Constitution is considered a threat. (Hello?!  Founding Fathers!  Pilgrims/Early Settlers!)

      Meanwhile we have thugs running around shooting people, leeches mooching off the government for a living, muslims plotting our demise and left extremists plotting financial terrorism to bring down the stock market and our banking system.  And they are OK.

      I don’t think I like it here anymore.

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    12. Havok says:

      Thanks Mac, good points.
      I also agree with AZ Ready, we are already on a list somewhere.

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    13. NMCB3 says:

      Really who cares what the government thinks, they are illegitimate anyway as they don’t follow the law. Anyone who doesn’t bow down before them will ultimately end up on one of their lists. So what.

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    14. cshellz says:

      Anyone who  self educates and teaches their children to think is a danger to the sheeple rule. Yup, guilty as charged :D
       
      I don’t know if this link helps or not but it is supposed to keep your ip address and home address separated.
      http://no-geolocation.blogspot.com/2010/08/01-what-is-geolocation_08.html
      which would probably move you up on the watch list (lol)

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    15. Sketch says:

      Who’s to say that someone sitting in the MWEOC isn’t reading this now – as we read this?
      Half of me thinks the gov’t is too incompetent to do anything about it. the other half knows that a sitting duck is an easy target….

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    16. Man Up says:

      Chain of events:

      No more media on the subject of 2012 http://www.december212012.com/articles/news/The_2012_Media_Blackout.htm (Credit goes out to BJ)

      No More Glenn Beck show – can’t talk about scary dude Glenn, you should know better.

      Then… No more SHTFplan website – too informative.
       Now if that were to happen, grab the kids honey, it’s time to Bug-Out and hunker down!
       

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    17. What I want to know is, why is it always the “supporter” of a candidate that is perceived to be a domestic terrorist and never the candidate?

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    18. Chuckles says:

      I don’t have bumper stickers on my car and try to keep a low profile. I remember hearing about Ron Paul supporters getting harassed by cops because they had Ron Paul bumper stickers on their vehicles.

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    19. Cyber_Samurai says:

      I have to agree with GA Mom. I don’t think I like it here anymore. Sadly, where do you go when your entire world begins to suck. The hyperdrive on my ship is busted, and i got nothing but Republic credits on this backwater planet. Ha ha!

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    20. Patriot One,
      I also believe the Partiot Act should be abolished but also think the whole Department of Homeland Security is an over reach of the government and absolutely unnecessary waste of money. We have LE and FBI…no more is needed. Also FEMA should be scaled way back on some of their powers

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    21. Cyber_Samurai says:

      As an added note, several years ago, an acquaintance of mine was a reserve police officer. He told me that the police academy that he trained at DID, in fact, teach the recruits, “it’s us against them.” “Them” referred to the public… US!
      Am i a domestic terrorist? you bet I am! Piss me off and i’ll show you terror the likes of which you’ve never known. The nerve of our “public servants”!

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    22. GMAFB says:

      Yep…it’s good to know I still qualify for something (almost proud of it too).  I qualify at the range too, I suppose they should take note of that along with my IP address…

      GMAFB – What…me worry?

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    23. VRF says:

      They are bringing this upon themselfs.

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    24. VRF says:

      Oh and BTW
      a CCW is a charge..ie..carring a concealed weapon..its what you get when caught carring when you dont have the licence to do so
      its called a CPL
      Concealed Pistol Licence..sorry just a pet peve

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    25. KJK says:

      Someone alluded to it earlier. We have to stay on our representatives hard to defund majority of the Federal Gov. Stay in tune on the budget talks and push for the largest cuts possible. We are talking Trillion dollars cuts not 100 billion which is chump change. We gotta get the healthcare totally repealed as it will be another invasion into our privacy and will give the Gov the ability to dictate to the masses even more. Enough is enough

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    26. VRF says:

      oh sorry and again..(this will get me on that list for sure)

      we dont need to pay for out second amendment..or have a licence from the administration to do so..that in its self is an infringement of our second amendment

      ok come get me now

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    27. Anonymous says:

      I don’t qualify.  I whip out my fake jack ass Dim Card, butt I did cross out a Bo Bo bumper sticker on a neighbors car with a Sharpie permanent marker once.  Does that count?

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    28. Slim says:

      Every time we go to war we should have a tax increase untill we learn how to fight a war again.

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    29. Sketch says:

      @VRF -
      In my state its called a “CCW”. I know in other states its a “CCP”…

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    30. Anonymous says:

      In my state it’s called a CWFL  Concealed Weapon or Firearm License.

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    31. VRF says:

      @sketch
      wow thats odd..
      well maybe it isnt knowing who’s the ones running this circus eh?
      its all stupid anyways..they force us to pay for and qualify for a RIGHT..given to us by our second amendment so in my eyes is total Bullshit, and an infringement of our rights and should have been already gone to court and abolished..
      licencing a person to have a constitutional right..crazy..but thats the supidity of our rulers.

      as far as im concerned they could call my blue piece of paper , something they can wipe their ass on..Badges..? we dont need no badges, we aint got no stinking badges..we dont need no stinking badges!

      what ever they want to call me is what they have become to this society..
      a threat to my sovereignty.

      and when TSHTF..Lists wont mean shit!

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      • Tim M says:

        Rights are not nor never will be given to us by our government. Rights are only given by God, as correctly stated by the Declaration of Independence. endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights

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    32. Anonymous says:

      They should charge a fee every year to those that can’t carry because of their criminal record. 

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    33. Bill says:

      I’ve figured for years I’m on some list.  I have a CCW also so that lights me up.  I don’t care one way or the other if I am.  Agree totally with all of ya.  Like VRF just said, when TSHTF..Lists won’t mean shit!

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    34. Anonymous says:

      Quit fucking around little bo peep.  Bring in an extra carrier & finish what your started or go home.  Your budget sucked last year & this year you are out of control!  Will you be there tomorrow when both sides come back to the table?

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    35. Sketch says:

      I own both of the cited books – but i damn near burned patriots 1/3 of the way through… can’t get past the hypocritical religious BS in that thing… i STILL haven’t finished it – should just throw it away…. I did read “one second after” in a day though… awesome book…

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    36. Anonymous says:

      What economic recovery.  People don’t like un-certainty after a while either.  Mess with the military while asking them to die for your hope & change Commander-n-Chief little leadership and you will have a few wifs (wives) on your ass.  Got PM’s?  People that say you can’t eat it are wacked on dim politics.  Do you understand where the top could be?  Priceless.

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    37. Dave says:

      I’m definitely considered a “domestic terrorist”, here’s why;
      I spent 4 years in the Marines, I’m a registered Libertarian and I recently joind the Oathkeepers!

      Keep in mind that the 3 headed monster known as the ACLU, the SPLC and the ADL are all just Jewish communist organizations that masquerade as “civil rights groups” and “anti-hate groups”.

      1st, The ACLU forces the US to have open borders while demanding that we feed, house, school, incarcerate and tolerate the invasions from Mexico (while demanding that we teach Spanish in schools and press 1 for English).

      2nd, the SPLC (run by two more of the chosen tribesmen Michael Cohen and his perverted looking associate Mark Potok) are busy trying to make those that speak out against immigration and the growing threat of the federal government as “hate groups”, “white supremecists” and “domestic terrorists”
      Notice how the SPLC came out and vilified the man who was recently arrested for making Liberty dollars and called his buyers terrorists.
      Why are they attacking him?

      3rd, the ADL (Abe Foxman) tries to silence anyone who notices the distinctly Jewish nature of all of these very destructive, liberty killing, deficit producing groups by whining that they’re “anti-Semites!”, all while trying to make it a hate crime to mention who’s doing what to whom…

      Let’s not forget that the SPLC is now working with DHS which is certain to be the nascent beginnings of a Stasi like outfit that “makes lists” and monitors “radicals” like me.

      People, this is a very important time in our republic, we must recall that it was Jews like Trotsky who recedived funding from Jacob Schiff, a NYC banker for his efforts at the bloody revoltution in Russia based upon Marx & Engles’ writings.
      That was the REAL, BIG holocaust that ended up killing 30 million, mostly Christian’s and it was a horrifyingly oppressive and creepy existence by a few control freaks that seem to be at it again.
      Just don’t expect to see a movie about that unembellished holocaust by Steven “Spielberg”.

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    38. Joerocker says:

      I think this whole  MIAC report finger-pointing is nitpicking.
      The spotlight should be on the CONgressional terrorism

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    39. They do it for profit. They make war. They beat us, shoot us, fondle us, grope us, lock us up, murder us, ticket us and tax us. They do it for profit. They are pirates. They are thieves. They are the rapists of liberty itself.
       
      What you call government is really not our government at all. It is a corporation with labels to fool you. …and fool you it has. Stand your ground. They have no real power over you. Once the populace realises how corrupt and how they have usurped our real government, freedom will return.
       
      Resist in every way. If the government tells you to go left, go right. If they yell at you, tell them you’re sorry and then do it again. Resistance to tyranny and this usurping corporation is very noble. Their word magic is strong. Once you understand what they are, it has no power of you.
       
      The corporate state is desperate. As it runs out of illusionary power induced by green strips of paper, it doesn’t know what to do. Once the green is gone, it dies. The end is near. Every crack I see, I grin a little bigger and I walk a little livelier. They day it all falls apart, I’ll be in tears! Tears of joy and elation. When it all falls down, thats when America stands back up.
       
      Don’t lose your hope! The sun is just over the horizon and its going to be a BEAUTIFUL day!

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    40. Mike says:

      Talk about being on a list. Retired Combat Veteran. Members of many good groups. Prepper and outspoken about preious metals. And am a Private Gun Show trader being at one 45 out 52 weeks a year. I feel the heat every time the pretty blonde ATF agent is at the show. And it is not her tight sweater that causes it. And I almost forgot I posted this post.

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    41. Several years ago I was a guest panelist at a state conference for the ACLU (yeah I know what most of you think of them, but they do protect both sides) on the Patriot Act. Having lunch with the state director, I made a joke about being on a list. He very seriously said, “As soon as your name showed up on our list of speakers you were added to a list”.
       
      I recently bought a WASR-10 for sport shooting so that added another check mark in my column. I wear a button on one of my bags lampooning a quote by Donald Rumsfeld that says “Radical Militant Librarian”. Additionally I run an anonymous survivalist blog.
       
      You are correct in that if they want to track down your digital signature, one would have to be very careful and know how to effectively use proxy services to surf anonymously.
       
      As always I remain more skeptical than most, but this trend is very troubling. I do worry about being a blip on the radar even more now.

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    42. James Woroble Jr says:

      ABSOLUTELY! And proud of it — considering the Zio-jew tyrant’s abominable, self-serving definition. I’m quite confident that the ‘religious’ predecessors in the U.S.S.R of our contemporary tyrants had a similar derogatory ‘shock’ label for those who opposed their murderous and destructive agenda.
       
      http://www.mosaisk.com/revolution/Winston-Churchill-Zionism-Versus-Bolshevism.php
       
      And from their satanic perspective they’re correct, for my intention and purpose is not to merely survive for survival’s sake, but to prevail within the ensuing chaos and destruction, orchestrated by this demonic scum, so as to bring each and every one of them, as I am able, to account for the horribly vile conditions, suffering and destruction of my nation and people. Then God may have me at his will. But they will not, before this time.
       
      In 1933 Germany, during the engineered political and economic collapse of a nation, Hitler and his entourage had considerably less reason and motivation for their reactions than what has and will occur in the intermediate future of the Western world.
       

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    43. Another thought strikes me, and maybe I’m being a dick, but with people like the commenter “Dave” above writing Holocaust denying, Nazi bullshit, and the “tekroanin” character writing explicit short stories about murdering cops, it screws it up for the rest of us.
       
      In my book, I lump you in with those on the ‘other side’ who are just as bad.

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    44. NMCB3 says:

      Yea aint free speech a bitch

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    45. LOL  yeah, it’s the razors edge. “The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen. ”

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    46. freeport56 says:

      I am hoping!

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    47. JANE says:


      IF TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IS BAD, THEN DOING THE ACTION MUST BE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

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    48. JANE says:


      I will read more on this article when I have more time.  We should not and never judge people based only on one or a few postings.  Because you don’t really know that person, and they don’t have speech writers to write their comments,  so errors can be made.   So don’t be an extremist, don’t try to be their parent or to boss them around – BE NICE PLEASE!!! 

      On-line chatting = a therapy or a relaxed, friendly and informal conversations. 
      ____________________


      When you are a public figure or are invading and destroying other people’s life or privacy, victims should have the rights to bitch and point out what you are doing is wrong. 

      IF  TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IS BAD, THEN DOING THE ACTION MUST BE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

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    49. boone says:

      Comments…..sheople people weople
      this is the means to an end,
      and a blossom to the future

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    50. CarpenterBee73 says:

      Well, if anything this piece just confirms that we “domestic terrorist” preppers are onto something and we’re doing the right thing. Why would they care otherwise? Clearly we don’t fit into their plan. They don’t want us to know the S is going to HTF, and they certainly don’t like that we have a Plan.
      I feel your anger, ManUp. Right there with ya.

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    51. Chris45 says:

      Comments…..So I guess I am a terrorist. Oh well.

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    52. SmokinOkie says:

      All this talk of collapse and nwo control just brings me down. So I spent a few days working in the garden, added a bit to food stores, picked up a few shiny metal trinkets, and about 800 more pieces of less shiny metal objects. I feel much better now.
      As for all you would-be “domestic terrorists” candidates: remember you are in good company: names like Washington, Jefferson, Revere, Adams, Hancock and many more were all “terrorists” of their day according to the tyrants then in power. We should be proud that we could even be suspected of being their modern day equivalents. God help us to have even half of their integrity and courage when the time comes that we truly need it. Til then, stay as low under the radar as you can and keep prepping!

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    53. GA MOM I think you have driven right over the most important point of all. I believe we, who qualify as terrorists, are similar to the folks who first began to denounce England. Moreover I believe the tyranny we are fighting against is exactly the sort of oppressive power which forced the revolution that ended in the creation this nation.  I DID say fighting because that is how the federal government views all of us “terrorists”. The PTBs are scared shtfless of you m’am and it shows.

      I think all their plans hinge on what we crazy freedom loving types do.

      The best we can do is live right by God, fight our own flesh, and fear nothing else.

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    54. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie…
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop with my .45 semi-auto black Glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I live by the river beneath a bridge… I deserve better than this… tsk, tsk, tsk…
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Guardian of Liberty… and after a fall… now a Stone Cold Cop Killer?  Running from the Ameri’kan Fascist Traitorous Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president barack obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped canceled my social security check the other day… on APRIL 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I Murdered Killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the Screaming Korean Clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex Asshole Neighbor kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a crazed manic flight… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shovin’ an munchin both in a hunger frenzy… my adrenaline and sugar high now kicking me into Over-Drive… I had gotten away … then I swore… “SHIT!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought to myself; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… acted like a greedy slimy Banker whore and taken more, more, more… for you see – IT’s ALL ABOUT ME! When I’m HUNGRY!
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… an A.P.B. an All Points Bulletin – had gone out – “All Patrols Be On The Look Out for a Crazed Bearded Hobo Bum, Riding a Stolen Hot Pink Huffy Bike Down Main Street!”; I’m screwed now… a NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE FUCK OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “Screw It!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Greedy Banker Fuckers did this to me!”… “It is either Him or Me!” I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out combat boots upon the cool concrete of the street… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 Glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed and leveled it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Patrol Car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO camo green Combat Gear, with U.N. sky blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal alien false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent curious child side of me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found grown up tired Stone Cold Cop Killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… It was HIM or ME you MUST see… I emptied the entire clip right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      Empty inside… now that I had unleashed all my NWO New World Order – Bilderberg Debt Slave Hate!
      There I stood astride my stolen pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING cavernous blood red hole that had been, Officer Friendly’s Red Raging New World Order U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Face.
      There I stood… Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!”
       
      author after note:
      -Property of TekRoanin – final draft – a living work in progress – share with all pls – I encourage all Veterans to use this story poem as a template and tell us their own story – write their own and post on the web so they may be heard – dtp.
      { There are over 600,000 unemployed war trained experienced Homeless poor starving Veterans just like our “hero” above walking thru your yards and living in the woods of your neighborhoods!} Just think about that for a moment America… there are more Veterans joining our ranks every day from the Illegal NWO Global Domination Wars and Economic Debt Slave War here in America. JUST PAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE!  Scary???? Maybe a little.
      Wake up America, there are 1 million – 1,000,000 foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will crash the dollar, invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      AMERICA IS A LIE owned controled by the family Rothschilds – The Bank Of England!
      YOU ARE NOT FREE! You are DEBT SLAVES!
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER FEMA, DHS, NAFTA -UNITED NATIONS blue CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to DisArm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their nwo one world IMF WORLD BANK government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       

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    55. PO'dpatriot says:

      Comments…..”They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29 to 1…..THEY CAN’T GET AWAY FROM US NOW”!-Lewis B. (Chesty) Puller, USMC.

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    56. tekroanin says:

      tekroanin knows he is an american terrorist and he is planning accordingly…

      terrorist=patriot

      patriot=terrorist

      and he plans to continue the fight till his last breath ;0P pppssszzzzt!

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    57. tekroanin says:

      PO’dpatriot = nice… research Major General Smedley Butler USMC – he knows the TRUTH of the real america!

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    58. Anonymous says:

      Were those anti-dracula objects Okie?

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    59. sketch says:

      Tekraonin – you’re all talk – an internet tough guy. do something or stfu.

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    60. Lando says:

      History shows full on slavery is a management nightmare.  Better to have wage slaves with soft chains,  The private federal reserve and their co-conspirators politicians have pushed that system to the breaking point.  What comes next is anybodies guess, but it will not be pretty.
      The fact of the matter is we are all now the Indians and and those civilized folks in D.C. want to steal our land and fortune.  Beware of blankets and the other trinkets they have to offer.

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    61. john says:

      Comments…..Spread the word…..Free the political prisoner Bernard Von Nothaus

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    62. If you are concerned about web usage tracking, check out the TOR anonymous browsing project:
       
      http://www.torproject.org/

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    63. justin says:

      freedom fighter in Lybia and terrorist in the US, they are the exact same thing, rising up againast a goverment that the you no longer support. dont expect the UN or the Arab nations to help you.

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    64. anonymous6.8 says:

      Whether or not you are a theist your rights don’t come from the Constitution. Your rights come from God, or from your ability to reason and make choices. The Constitution wasn’t written to give you rights. It was written to establish an all-powerful central government. The Bill of Rights, that Mason and Jefferson insisted on, was approved as an after thought.
      If you believe your rights come from a piece of paper, whether it be a constitution, law or court decision, what happens when the tyrant declares martial law?  Do you say “aye, aye sir” and submit to being a sheep? Because they’ve got us by the short hairs to the extent we believe our freedom is a gift from them rather than the essential part of our humanity.
      Gary North’s recent article on the Constitution: http://www.garynorth.com/public/7833print.cfm
      Reading George Mason’s and Thomas Jefferson’s papers. For example, Thomas Jefferson, Writings, published by The Library of America, 1984.
      There’s myriad editions of The Federalist Papers. Why so easy to find? Because it rationalizes central authority. How many of you have seen any work by the Anti-Federalists, the Liberty caucus of the Founding Fathers?
      Realize it. The Constitution was enacted and ratified to establish a strong central government.  Helpful jurists, starting with John Marshall granted government the power to do whatever it wants.
      The politician and the judge are about their power. YOU are the bulwark of your own liberty.  We may hafta fight for it again.
      I believe most military and most LEO will do as they are ordered to. You live in la-la land if you expect otherwise.  Our present military is orders of magnitude more powerful than the British were in the 1770′s. We won our liberty than mostly because of French help. There won’t be outside help this time. Are you willing to fight anyway?
      I’ve known I was on a list since the late 60′s. To the list compilers I say now what I said then: fuck you.
       
       

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    65. Anonymous says:

      That’s a broad stroke of the brush justin.

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    66. SGGroup says:

      Comments….. Your statements here are logged and you risk being wisked away to a F.E.M.A. camp along with the author asserting tyrrany !

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    67. Anonymous says:

      Who gives a flying rats butt? They don’t have enough horsepower “or” personnel not even close to control 309,000,000 million Americans. F*** them!!! The only control they have now is granted to them by “US”. They are running a big fat whohaa bluff. They don’t want American out of control, (BIG EFFING MISTAKE). Something akin to Custer comes to mind.. bring it on!!!!

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    68. Hammerun says:

      Comments…..
      Who gives a flying rats butt? They don’t have enough horsepower “or” personnel not even close to control 309,000,000 million Americans. F*** them!!! The only control they have now is granted to them by “US”. They are running a big fat whohaa bluff. They don’t want American out of control, (BIG EFFING MISTAKE). Something akin to Custer comes to mind.. bring it on!!!!

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    69. Man Up says:

      The tyrant is big government with deep pockets and big guns. Just look around and tell me who’s asserting tyranny? Look at who’s cracking the whip and look at who’s afraid, tell me who the REAL Tyrant is!
      This is appropriate… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EpDV5zA-c&feature=player_embedded
      and by the way… I don’t do well in FEMA Camps
       

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    70. Davidus Romanus says:

      Truth becomes treason in the empire of lies. 
      The US Gov’t is a wounded lion.  If you fight it face to face, yuo’ll be destroyed.  If you are patient, it will die on its own eventually.

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    71. Jonny V says:

      So the other day, when my 20 year old daughter brought home her much older boyfriend, and I gave him some “thoughtful instruction”, and had him visibly shaking and on the verge of shitting himself at the dinner table, does that make me a “domestic terrorist”?  What about if I actually do heave his broken and screaming body down that mine-shaft up in the Okanogan wilderness, would I be a “domestic terrorist” then?  I thought going to the woods was supposed to be fun……..

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    72. Kevin says:

      How many people can be thrown in jail and how many of their neighbors that know them as good honest non threatening people would awaken? At some point rather quickly the government would loose popular support of the body politic. I have spoke to several that immigrated from the former nations behind the Iron Curtain. For the most part the majority of their respective populations we’re relatively content. You have a job, food, medical care and most importantly liquor. All governments operate with the consent of the people. Even China is concerned about their economic plight because they realize that as long as there is economic growth the people will not complain about a lack of freedom. One good nationwide strike in Poland sent forth a chain of events that over a decade collapsed the USSR without any violence.

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    73. VRF says:

      The fact that this is even an issue for our government, shows me they know they are fucking up.
      when the government fears the citizens you have a democracy, when the people fear the government you have Tyranny.

      Fear us you sons of bitches! and get your ass back to work and get the job done we hired you for ,or step aside and let some one who isnt crooked do your dam jobs!

      The USA is the best dam country there is, and its high time it gets back to what it was..and if you arnt part of the solution than your part of the problem.

      Time to pull out of every other country and military interests and fortify our borders and become self sufficiant, we dont need any other government or country , we can do this ourself.

      quit pandering to all the cry babies, and lets get our backs into this ..Now!.

      root out the crooked, and evil..and send them packing.
      down size this government so it works for the people, and not their special interests and lining some others pockets..

      yeah, their scared, and this is showing just that to me..and they dam sure should be.

      dont like what i stand for? dont like how i live?. dont like the fact that I know my rights? Tuff shit…dont tread on ME!

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    74. Don’t know if you all remember a while back when I described the events that led up to Shellie and I deciding we would never shop there again. Well today I was a hypocrite and feel frustrated about it, but felt I had no choice. We went in there and did some prep shopping, we don’t have a Costco here and Sam’s you have to be a member of. They have some bulk stuff we weren’t finding at Aldi’s and Gordon Food Service and .22 ammo is cheaper there than anywhere else I know of in town. So anyway we get to the check out counter and get everything rang through and I am getting my wallet out to pay IN CASH and the young kid behind the counter asked me (in a trained but nervous kind of way) why I was buying so much stuff” I was pissed and it was all over my face….I already hate the place and don’t want to be there with there anti American “See Something Say Something” crap and as I was getting ready to spout off and tell him to mind his own damn business….my much more patient, gracious and wiser wife interrupted and said “we have a big family and summer is almost here, time to get ready for camping”. Then as I was fuming on the way to the door, an old man stopped us to see our reciept!!!! I didn’t just buy a damn 46″ TV
      Oh I am still uncorked about it, I wanted to rip his ear ring out and stick it up his nose and smack him

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    75. Crap…thought I typed out the word chimart? guess in my fervor I missed that important little detail…LoL

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    76. nathan says:

      this bs thats going on with the government needs to stop. so one of these groups or even better all of these groups need to join together to end this now so that we can have a peaceful life

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    77. SmithJonas says:

      Everyone’s bitching , but how are you collectively – yes, we’re all in this together – improving the world? The country?

      You have to look out for more than #1 to survive. How are you doing that?

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    78. Creash says:

      Am I the only one who is terrified to be living in America now? We all should be scared. Very scared. I’m only 30 years old, and I am frightened at how the country has changed just in MY lifetime….

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    79. HammerTime says:

      I wonder why no one has started to drop the hammer on these guys yet. No one in America has the backbone to trow off tyranny. not even those talking on this blog.

      Besides those planning to are not going to waste time reading or commenting here. A good book to read is “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross if you can still get it. I am sure it is on the list if not out right banned by now.

      One thing is for sure no one here is willing or able to take action other than typing on a keyboard. The protagonist in Ross’s book had the benefit of being wealthy and having the time weapons and know how. He also held a pilots license which helped get from point A to B nicely.

      This is why they are keeping people broke because poor people can’t fight much

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    80. HammerTime says:

      PS voting is not taking action because if voting mattered anymore it would have been made illegal long ago.

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    81. dan says:

      the problem as I see it …uneducated law enforcement…and being ignorant so that they follow ANY order without question…some past 40 yrs old are ok..below 40..all have been turned…and are only concerned about their careers and retirements…and I do realize that this is a general statement…but if the shoe fits..wear it…

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    82. Jon Snow says:

      It seems to me, that by the US Government’s own definition of terrorism, the US Government is guilty of terrorism.

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