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    CONFISCATION: Panicked Europeans Rush ATMs as Leaders Move To Seize Funds Directly From Bank Account Holders

    Mac Slavo
    March 16th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    Over the last few years political and financial leaders in Europe and the United States have implemented policies, regulations and bailouts costing global taxpayers trillions of dollars with the promise that these measures would lead to economic growth and recovery.

    What happened in Europe today is yet further proof that nothing they’ve done has fixed the underlying fundamental issues surrounding the events that led to the crash of 2008.

    For those who don’t believe the government is prepared to take extreme measures that may include the seizing of retirement accounts, cash savings or even gold, look no further than Cyprus, the latest recipient of bank bailouts.

    As of right now, citizens of Cyprus are scrambling to withdraw funds from their bank accounts after the EU, with agreement from the Cypriot government, announced they will decimate funds held in personal bank accounts to the tune of up to 10% of existing deposits.

    You read that right.

    The European Union has made the determination that the people of Cyprus are now responsible for the hundreds of billions of dollars in bad bets made by their government and bank financiers, and they are moving to confiscate money directly from the bank accounts of every citizen in the country.

    Restrictions have been imposed to stop people emptying their accounts or moving their money out the country after the Cypriot government announced that up to ten per cent of deposits will be seized and used to bailout the island’s crisis-hit banking system.

    The deal with other eurozone finance ministers is the first time that ordinary citizens’ deposits have been directly raided in this way.

    One furious expat said: ‘This is plain theft. I’d love to hear someone explain to me why it isn’t.’

    Under the deal, all bank deposits over €100,000 will be hit with a levy of 9.9 per cent. Those with smaller savings will pay 6.75 per cent.

    The move sparked panic and violent protests yesterday as crowds desperately tried to withdraw their money at cash machines. 

    ‘Why would you risk putting your money in Greek, Spanish or Portuguese banks after this?’

    British expats were stunned by the news, with many left high and dry by the restrictions on accounts.

    Cash machines had been working, but many ran out of notes because of the panic withdrawals.

    But financial experts said the raid – designed to stop Cyprus crashing out of the euro, potentially destroying the currency – would send shock waves through the eurozone.

    If savers in other troubled nations fear their accounts might be next, they could withdraw their money and spark a catastrophic run on the  banks.

    Source: Daily Mail

    They’re calling it a “tax.”

    As Market Ticker’s Karl Denninger notes, “Like hell that’s a tax.  That’s direct confiscation of the funds of people who did nothing wrong!”

    It should now be obvious. There is no recovery. There never was.

    No matter where you live, your government is likely preparing measures to deal with the coming financial and economic collapse. This means they are going to be coming for anything of value that they can get their hands on.

    If you have the majority of your net worth allocated in bank accounts, money market funds, retirement plans, stock markets or the host of other ‘safe’ assets recommended by your financial adviser, then you are playing Russian roulette.

    And in this version there’s a bullet in every chamber.

    When they come, they will take everything they can.

     

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    1. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Bankers stealing money. Next you’ll tell us politicians are fixin’ to lie.

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      • Cowboy45 says:

        Avoid the rush.
        Panic Now!

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        • brinkz says:

          Until these criminals are stopped, they will escalate their crimes. Bank CEOs addresses need be public and that public need pay them a visit at home. Otherwise, kiss everything the depositors own, goodbye.
          Charity donations to the mega, colossally rich

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Nuremberg 2

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            • jerrytbg says:

              I with you John…
              These excuses for humans need to be held accountable…

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              • BadAmerican says:

                …crisp 10 dollar bills……

                Thank you Mushroom……R.I.P.

                …..energize……………..BA.

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                • I remember when Mushy was probably considered about the most “radical” guy on this forum….he liked to pull some of our strings but nothing he advocated or talked about fell to the level of alot of these new troublemakers who like nothing better than to insult and degrade others here and rather than contribute to the conversation they instead detract from it…guess I might say I kinda miss ole Mushroom and his #10 cans of crisp new $10 bills….leastways they had some use/value in a SHTF scenario….just sayin!

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          • JustMe says:

            “The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ” – Thomas Jefferson

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            • 41MagMan says:

              Jefferson was a brilliant man. He foresaw the world of hurt that banksters would create for all of us if they were allowed to do so. They have been so allowed… by the politicians they have bought. Because of this, they are now treated as a special class of citizen. They can literally do no wrong. Anything they do is forgiven and papered over. This is how a nation devolves from being a nation of laws with liberty and justice for all, becoming a nation of men with obscene profits and absolute control for a few and abject misery for the many.

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              • JustMe says:

                “I believe banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.”- Thomas Jefferson

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              • MaxFubar says:

                We the Sheople, in order to form a more desperate union, hereby elect the greedy, rich, crooked opportunist to be the leaders of our country for until the next revolution, when the sheople have awoken, and realized their mistake, and start another revolution, hereby, starting back over from scratch, until the next group of future crooks we elect to represent us and ruin our country for the next 270 years, or revolution, whichever comes first.

                Sincerely,
                Major Snafu

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          • Eisenkreuz says:

            They only publish the addresses of gun owners who have done nothing wrong.

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          • KenBob says:

            Amen Brother! Right along with all 425 congress-critters, lobbyist and the members of all super PACs of the likes of Karl Rove, etc.

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        • 230 JHP says:

          A couple of other items about this:

          1. It was done on a Saturday, Monday is a holiday. Hmmmm like a 3 day bank holiday weekend? International money transfers cannot be processed to get money out of Cyprus until Tuesday. Depositors, especially Russians, are screwed.

          2. All accounts had the tax “sealed off”, in other words, electronically taken (stolen), from the accounts to prevent people from draining the accounts before the tax was imposed.

          3. The action was taken on Saturday and the leaders of Cyprus wouldn’t be meeting until Sunday to approve the action. Clearly the International Monetary Fund, IMF (International Mother F*****s) are running Cyprus.

          4. When I read advice from the experts like Jim Rogers, or others like Simon Black, to have money, or physical gold, in foreign banks, I shake my head in amazement and disbelief. This story out of Cyprus is why.

          I don’t know if this was a onetime tax, or if the tax will happen every time someone makes a deposit. The bankers and politicians made sure to get their money first. It can happen here, “there’s no place left to go”.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            “”I don’t know if this was a onetime tax, or if the tax will happen every time someone makes a deposit.”"

            I doubt there will be very many deposits in the future. These type of bank thefts can only happen once before the affected people catch on.

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            • 230 JHP says:

              True that.

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              • KY Mom says:

                The banks in Cyprus are now closed until Thursday.

                Drudge Report

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                • KY Mom,

                  I see the latest spin the media is putting on The Great Bank Theft of 2013 claims Cyprus banks are all laundering Russian mafia money so a 10% “tax” is a good thing and the mafia won’t complain about it.

                  First, stealing from the mafia, any mafia, is generally considered extremely unhealthy for anyone caught doing it. Second, who launders more money than the Federal Reserve? The Fed is the largest money laundering operation in the world! Lastly, to claim that all or even a majority of Cyprus account holders are involved in criminal activities is intellectually dishonest in the least, and worst it’s an outright lie.

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            • OutWest says:

              Do the banks themselves? have anything to say about this?
              Wouldn’t this be a form of bank suicide….?

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              • Little Owl says:

                This has happened before (the Weimar Republic) and will happen again. In the 1940′s the Germans woke up one morning to discover that each and every one of them has only 48 DM in their bank accounts. Every single bank account had been emptied and 48 DM put in it. There was nothing they could do about it.

                The German government had secretly printed new money and all old money became illegal. If you had any of the old notes at home you had to take them to a bank to exchange them for new. Obviously the new was worth much less. BUT the government did not issue new coins (they are too expensive to mint) and assumed that most people only have a handful of coins at home.

                Personally I think we are going to see a run on European banks come Monday, and riots in Cyprus on Tuesday when the people go to the banks and can’t get their money back.

                I did read that the EU wanted Cyprus to take 40% from the bank accounts. I suspect the only reason they didn’t was because of the anarchy that would have followed.

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              • jerrytbg says:

                It only means this part of the “change” is upon them…
                Most of europe is next…then it’s our turn…errr…
                I give it 6 to 8 weeks… at most…

                I’d love to eat crow on this…
                If I have to…Please add garlic…

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYQaD2CAi9A

                Does anybody really know the lyrics?

                For the harmony… and the future of man…

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            • Many people have no choice but have their payroll automatically deposited into a bank. So they would not be able to remove their funds until the bank had “taxed” that deposite each time if that is what is set up.
              Where I work everyone must have their paycheck autodeposited to their bank of choice. No one gets a paper check or cash of any type.

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              • Antonia says:

                My company did away with Direct Deposit, but pays the check cashing fee if our employees cash the check at the bank.

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                • Grey Owl says:

                  A casino will cash your paycheck :)

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                • KY Mom says:

                  cara,

                  There are many people that are paid by direct deposit and have no say in the matter.

                  It is my understanding that the majority of people in Cyprus (and the EU) are paid by direct deposit.

                  I have been told that most people carry alot less cash on them in Europe, as compared to the US. They are accustomed to ATM’s being available and the stores take bankcards.

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              • As the USonomy grinds downward, they force more and more of us “under the table”.

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                • Gods Creation says:

                  Bob, under the table and beyond their control is where freedom is.

                  I like keeping everything I make and making my own Laws….so I’ll see you there.

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            • However, you must factor in direct deposit …

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          • Anonymous says:

            Does my memory serve me correctly ? The Greek haircut started at 21% and ended up at 90% ?? Could well be that further ‘ Taxes’ be imposed in the future , that is if you are stupid enough to leave your money in a bank in a bankrupt country . Spain next to impose ‘taxes’ ?

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            • Anon. That’s correct. The Greek bond holders (97%) who were dumb enough to go along with the EU/IMF bailout plan took a 90+% loss on their bonds, except for the British bond holders of Greek debt (3%) who refused the EU plan and received full payment when their Greek bonds matured plus interest after the others morons took their haircut. All we have to say is no when they come for our savings and retirement.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            If this is not an absolute warning to get our money out of these GD banks, I do not know what would be. Them taking ALL of it? They will, given the chance. We HAVE been warned.

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          • bugfy says:

            You need to invest in durable goods that last and are sturdy and well made so that they will last a long time. Thinks like hammers and digging bars, bags of nails. Do you have a good screwdriver? It’s a really good idea. Maybe two screwdrivers. A bag of rocks isn’t a bad idea and will last.a long time because God made them except for the bag maybe. Stop buying junk from ChinaMart, even bags. Of rocks. There screwdrivers are crap also so buy those somewhere else.

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          • Not so Much says:

            “4. When I read advice from the experts like Jim Rogers, or others like Simon Black….

            It not that they were wrong, its just that if you chose a European bank, you’re dumber than a bag of hammers.

            Stop calling it a tax. It’s not a tax, it’s a bank heist.

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          • Crazycowboy says:

            I think I’m gonna go back to the safest bank,without any interest but mine,in my Mattress…!

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          • Jim6Pack says:

            So…
            Let’s say they decide to do something like this here in the US.
            Today, you should empty your bank accounts, leaving only what is needed to cover outstanding checks.
            Great. I’m covered, right?
            Cancel my direct deposit, now I get a physical check.
            Is the bank going to charge me a “fee” or “surcharge” to cash my check?
            There’s no way I can get my employer to pay me in cash.
            Unavoidable.
            Screwed.
            :(

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        • Unreconstructed Southron says:

          Funny.

          And not.

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        • Julie says:

          I’ve been telling people for quite a while to freak out now. Then when TSHTF we’ll hopefully have our wits about us while everybody else is panicking and going out of their minds. Be proactive!

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        • tayronachan says:

          @Cowboy45, classic, lol

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        • Anonymous says:

          That’s priceless. I mean it made smile.

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        • I laughed out loud on your comment, even though it really isn’t funny it is very serious.

          Stay calm, buy a good fire proof safe … and store some valuables away for when you may need it.

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          • Cede or Bleed says:

            Nah. Forget hiding your valuables in a fire proof safe that just sits in you house for all to see. The government will probably confiscate it when they come pounding on your door, come round up time. Air tight container and bury it in the garden. Don’t give the slimer’s anything!!

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        • Bank Holiday- now it gets interesting!!

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        • 230 JHP says:

          And the banks will NOT reopen on Tuesday as previously planned. They will remain closed at least until Thursday.

          Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-18/cyprus-bank-holiday-gets-another-extension-bank-reopening-now-set-thursday

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      • SterlingSilver says:

        The sad truth is that by using Federal Reserve Notes, you agree to the terms set forth therein by the Federal Reserve Bank. The Central bankers monopolize the monetary system and control the underlying events. If the people would simply start to move away from Fed notes (debt instruments with the built-in ability to rob our wealth through inflation) their power would diminish to the point of insignificance. As long as we use their money, they’ll control the economy, military, politicians, and us. Period.

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          @ SS and ALL,

          SS, you ARE absolutely correct, your analysis is ‘impeccable’.

          See now what CAN be done…to any of you here reading this. Think not? Consider then with what ease those who control the system as it is currently consisted – a DIGITAL Abomination – could all the more easily vanish ALL that you have worked for, for so very long.

          I have a THOUGHT…GET your money out NOW, put 20% of that MONEY under your pillow, put the other 80% in gold. Use whatever you must to get your preps in order FIRST then divide as above…money, FRN’s will still serve a purpose in what comes, for a time. You WILL need that when ‘IT’ comes. Good Luck, may the LORD Bless and Keep you All, EVERYONE of you…

          JOG

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          • brinkz says:

            When they devalue it, whether its under your bed or in their bank, its gone. better purchase alternatives to PMs too, because they will make it illegal to own or cash in.

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              @ Brinkz,

              Friend, the issue NOW is this; the very things we see in Cyprus..NOW..is the first ‘crack’ in the Dam that the Bankers constructed so long ago, By that what I mean is this; VERY soon THEY will lose control of the system…you can’t change Human nature…by fiat, by decree or otherwise.
              It’s not about what they can or cannot do NOW…it’s about WHAT the world will revert to when they are no longer the guiding force involved…my recomendation stands.

              JOG

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              • Kulafarmer says:

                Wait to see if there are bank runs in other eu nations, that will be the real mess and beginning of SHTF

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                • JustOneGuy says:

                  Howdy Kula,

                  Yes indeed, we are ALL waiting with ‘baited breath’ to see what tomorrow brings…

                  …and watching to see just how MANY of the EU ELITE get assainated by the Russian Mafia in the coming weeks …THOSE BOYS do NOT play around…

                  JOG

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                • BigB says:

                  I don’t want to a be a “I told you so” kinda of guy.

                  On the 1st of this month I did tell you all that the SHTF already. Stuart Varney on Fox business just had a guest who stated he didn’t see this ever happenong in America.

                  However on Drudge El-Erian was just quoted:
                  Despite assurances from European officials that Cyprus is “exceptional” and the measures are “unique”, El-Erian said the Cyprus bailout has driven investors to demand higher returns to hold risky assets.

                  Exceptional – Unique. Sure.

                  Get your money out and into tangible assets now.

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                • lilybug says:

                  Bugfy
                  no such verse in Romans no heracles or such a quote in God’s word.
                  Long time lurker first time poster. Do not add to God’s word Rev 22:18-19 a warning you should heed .

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          • RickE. says:

            @JustOneGuy, Just try and remove a substantial amount of money from your account! First of all they’ll tell you that they don’t have that much money available for you to withdraw. (over about $6,000). And, that they need to keep a certain amount of money for merchants, etc.

            Second, I have been treated like a criminal for requesting large amounts of cash withdrawals.

            Third, if you consistently withdraw large amounts of money, they will fill out transaction reports to the IRS and/or DEA, especially if you withdraw near $10,000. “Structuring” charges levied against one is another onerous possibility.

            Some tellers will even ask you WHY you’re withdrawing large amounts of money if you do it regularly.(once a week).

            You CAN buy gold with the money by way of transfers, and that is what I am going to do next.

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              @ RickE,

              I feel for you Friend,

              Let me help you out here. In the current schema ANY bank may require that you give them up to SEVEN days notification before withdrawing any sizeable accumulation of funds…this is simply ‘the way of it.’ HOWEVER, they CANNOT legally refuse you once such notice has been given – by you to them – and the fixed period has elapsed.

              Also, NO…this is not a ‘NEW’ thing…these regulations have existed for a very long time. It is simply the case that most People do NOT read the fine print on thier initial agreement with the Bank when they open an account. Get your money Brother…Ann Batnhardt has been SCREAMIN’ about this for the longest while, “If you can’t STAND over it with an ASSUALT Weapon…then you don’t OWN it”….after Corzine (and OTHERS) possesion is no longer 9/10′s of the LAW…it’s NOW 10/10′s of it.

              Good Luck Brother

              JOG

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              • RickE. says:

                @JustOneGuy, hey thanks for your input! I’m trying to get it incrementally, but it’s been difficult due to the discouraging harassment that I’ve encountered.
                They seem to forget that it’s OUR money, not theirs. Take care, and thanks again!

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                • 41MagMan says:

                  RickE… Is your account with a bank? If so, you might get better service from a local credit union. We have one and it is really good. They don’t have a lot of cash on hand, so when I need $6-8k, I let them know and 2 days later they call me up to say that the cash is available. No biggie. Their main vault holds a lot of cash but their branches do not, so this is how they work it. No teller there has ever asked me why I wanted the money. Unlike banks, most CUs KNOW that it is our money and not theirs.

                  I did have a discount broker ask me once when I requested a $50k withdrawal if I would mind telling him why I was withdrawing the money. I said, “Yes, I would mind” and he backed right off. I should have said that it had nothing to do with him, his company, or their products and services. That was likely why he was concerned.

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              • Wyomer says:

                Checking accounts are DEMAND accounts, you can demand and get all of your money any time (not necessarily in cash). All other bank accounts are DEPOSIT accounts subject to the redemption terms you signed. Might be three days might be three weeks but they have your money by the terms you signed when you opened it.

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            • JJsan says:

              RickE,

              Amen! I went to my credit union and withdrew some cash and they told me any withdraw over 10K had to be reported to the IRS… I couldn’t believe it. Then I bought a little commuter car, cash, when I saw the price of gas going up. The dealer then hands me a credit check sheet. I told them I am paying cash and no credit was required. The dealer manager then comes out and tells me that it is a new DHS/IRS law for cash purchases to combat terrorism…. I could not believe what this idiot was saying. I wrote my name and that was all, but he said that was sufficient since they had already made a copy of my driver’s license for the paperwork….

              WTF??

              Keep your powder dry,
              JJsan

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              • kaynine says:

                @jjsan (ofac) part of the treasury dept.
                Office of foriegn assets control,checks to see if your on the imposed santion list.
                There is no cash limit,all sales of any kind or amount,are subject to this law.
                the only way to get around that is to buy from a private party.

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              • RickE. says:

                I hear you! Also, $10,000 and over gets reported to the DEA as well. You should have seen them get out the transaction report papers when I wanted money for a purchase of a new 4WD pickup! I needed a cashier’s check for the purchase.

                They said nothing, but I recognized the paper she had just grabbed from before. I’m sick of NO BANKING PRIVACY!!

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            • MaxFubar says:

              Yep! Exactly, precisely, and to the point!
              But will not the govt. make gold ownership illegal, and make you turn it in to them for their revalued price, just like FDR did in the 30′s? I mean, Uncle Sam is not gonna go down without a fight!

              ‘Don’t ask what your country can do for you! Ask what you can do for your country”….John Fitzgerald Kennnedy

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            • Sure ; another way that “they” can track you.

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            • BigB says:

              RickE,

              I am a small buisiness guy as I imagine you are as well. I deposit on a regular basis each week and have a standing agreement with my bank that on every Friday I will need a cetain amount available in cash. It is always there for me.

              I used to have the same problem you are describing. I too would be asked what I needed with so much cash. I tell them it is for day laborers. I have also told them I need it for weekends of debauchary, wine, women and drugs. That did not go over well so I went back to the day laborers. :)

              Hope that helps.

              BigB

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              • RickE. says:

                EXCELLENT BigB.!! Except that I work for myself in the stock market. I could use the debauchery, wine, women, and song though!! Still, your suggestion gives me some really good ideas, thanks!

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          • Ugly says:

            Just remember this as I have posted before:

            Bank Account today– 1010110010100101010100010110
            Bank Account tomorrow– 0000000000000000000000000000

            Don’t panic, but readjust your accounts according to the risk you are willing to take.

            At least my seeds will grow.

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            • Ok! We hear you loud and clear!
              All you smart people out there, so what are we to do besides stash food, bullets, bandaids, money, silver and gold?
              Can you help us simpletons out with strategies to use please?
              We all have some money in the bank and some in our retirement funds. What do we do with that?
              Please provide R E A L solutions.

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              • Highspeedloafer says:

                Can you borrow against your retirement fund? That would be a good start. Otherwise it sounds like you are doing a good job. But, don’t panic.

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              • Ugly says:

                Tom,

                Nobody can tell you what to do with your finances. All we can do is state what we are doing and then you can decide.

                Ugly’s List:
                1. Getting debt down. I am making extra payments on some stuff. With debt down, I can live cheaper and better.

                2. Have some cash on hand. How much? That is up to your comfort zone. Yes, you take the risk of theft or fire. But if things continue as they are, you are taking a risk letting someone else hold your money too.

                3. Buy tangible stuff that is needed, such as 6 month food storage. Or solar laterns. Radio.Extra jackets, boots, sleeping bags etc.

                4. Buy some physical precious metals. Silver will not make you rich, but it can be used as a hedge against inflation and a devalued dollar. Silver will never go to zero, but the dollar may.

                5. Keep enough money in banks as in checking and savings that could keep you solvent for 1 year. By solvent, I mean paying your bills even if you lost your job.

                Hope that helps some.

                PS. I am cashing in some of my mutual funds and life insurance policies, slowly. By slowly, I mean for tax purposes. But I am keeping one mutual fund and one life insurance policy. I have played the game too long to quit 100%. Still have to take some risks; we still live in a dollar society.

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              • Willow says:

                If your retirement account is in a self directed IRA you can purchase real estate but it has to be a hands off management of the property. Caution, real estate may go down another 10 to 20%…just saying.

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              • Aluminumati says:

                You could stop all contributions into your retirement plan. Why put money in which you might not get back?

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          • MadMarkie says:

            It’s NEVER a good idea to put ALL your eggs in ONE basket. Now, where have we all heard that one before? Try to ‘spread’ what assets that you have around as much as possible so that they are never all grouped together in one place at one time. This is what the 1% do ….. and they have all OUR money!

            There is a very good reason that they are called “banksters”, they are in every sense of the word bankers who act just like gangsters.

            If you ‘own’ it on paper; there is absolutely NO guarantee that it, whatever “it” is, actually belongs to you and will be available to you when you desperately need it.

            In the early stages of any collapse the banks are going to close and the ATMs are going to run out of cash. Merchants will probably still be accepting cash but not credit or debit cards, even is the systems are ‘up’. You will need “cash-in-hand” to purchase any last minute items still available for your family.

            Every individual and family has a financial ‘rhythm’, even though most are not aware of it. Money comes in during certain times of the month and money goes out as bills paid and expenses are met.

            Print yourself up a calendar for the year, by the month, and set up a simple balance sheet. Some bills, car payment, rent, utilities, insurance, etc. will be due on the same day of each and every month. Mark these on your calendar. Also note paydays and anticipated amounts of income on the calendar.

            For a period of at least one month, on a daily basis, record every penny that you take in and every penny that you spend as well as what the money was spent for. It really doesn’t take very long for a pattern to appear.

            Waste and needless expenditures will become very apparent, very quickly. How much is that big latte grande every morning costing you each month on a daily basis? How much could you save bringing your lunch from home, as opposed to eating out every day, and bringing a big thermos of coffee?

            Stick half of your savings into your ‘cash-stash’ and put the other half into your preps. ALWAYS try to keep the bare MINIMUM in your checking account; just enough to avoid bank fees and pay your bills. A Savings Account? Paying < 1% a year?? I rather think NOT!!!!!

            God Bless & good luck to all who post here.

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              Howdy MM,

              Good points all, I would add this;

              When ‘IT’ comes there WILL be a predictable pattern to what we see. AS the Banks get ‘pressured’ they will initially respond by first lowering the frequency with which they ‘refresh’ the ATM’s thinking that THIS will give them a ‘little Breathing Room’ predictably, this WILL backfire in thier faces…as the perception becomes ‘the banks are OUT of MONEY’ in the eyes of the general public. The reason for this is simple…they are constrained very closely by the existent regulations – much as the rest of US are – and while they MUST execute with precision on a whole host of levels… reliably, it is the case that there, they can simply use the rationale, “Well, OUR driver’s just coufn’t GET to those ATM’s that quickly…”…see how that works?

              At that point, before the situation has become “The Sum of ALL Fears” in thier minds, it will be the case that THOSE with actual cash will – prudently give the economy a REAL shot in the arm as they begin buying up EVERYTHING in sight…’flushing-out’ thier preps…whether they are preppers or not! After THAT is when things will begin to go south…rapidly. The options available to the Banking caste then become very limited, very quickly. This is where things like true capital controls will begin to enter the picture…not too long after THAT is when the government will be compelled to enforce a bank holiday here.

              Bear in mind that in this WONDERFUL electronic, Binary world the issue of installing capital controls is NOW only a matter of a programmer at the FED sitting down and executing a FEW key strokes at a computer terminal…it’ll be QUICK when it happens.

              Best of Luck everyone…the ‘Handwriting is – in fact – NOW upon the wall…

              JOG

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            • Jeff says:

              Just a little sidenote to make a point about critical thinking. I have also read about Russian mafia money being quite prevalent in Cyprus banks.

              Isn’t that money laundering? Isn’t that a crime? Why aren’t these banks being prosecuted?

              See the point is, everything is a lie now. Everywhere you look is the same. Now – ask yourself again, could it ever happen here?

              I have not seen one comment in the last two days that has brought that up. This entire planet is screwed.

              Bless you all
              Jeff

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Howdy Jeff,

                On the NOSE Brother! ‘Tis been this way since the EARLY 90′s, Cyprus has been a ‘money-laundering haven for all such since…especially Russian MAFIA money. The extent to which this is BROADLY known (outside of here in the WEST) is utter. Arguably that’s why a pissant lil place like Cyprus HAS a banking sector AT ALL…once again though I say that those Russians ‘do not play’….there’ll be BLOOD over this before it’s done. I wouldn’t put it past THOSE to ARRANGE for Lagarde to have a FATAL accident in the near future…as well as several of the high-end of the Cypriot government in addition to….

                JOG

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          • JJsan says:

            JOG,

            I couldn’t agree more with you on most of what you said except the gold issue. I love precious metals, but if the US and the world goes back to a gold standeard, then the US Govt will make it illegal for citizens to own gold and they will seize it like FDR (everyones favorite socialist and savior before Obama) did in the 30′s:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

            I like silver because it is too numerous (hopefully) to try and confiscate. But I think once they try, there will be an uprising and they know it. I forget where I saw it, but there was an old saying,

            Gold is the currency of monarchs,
            Silver is the currency of gentlemen,
            Barter is the currency of free men,
            and DEBT is the currency of slaves!

            Keep your powder dry,
            JJsan

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            • 41MagMan says:

              Millions of Americans refused to go along with EO 6102. Instead, they buried their gold and only brought out a few coins when needed. Under EO 6102, people could keep $100 face value in gold coins. AFAIK, no one was ever arrested, searched, or had their home searched by Feds looking for gold. EO 6102 was primarily aimed at the banks because they were hoarding gold and exacerbating the deflation that was occurring.

              Another interesting note about EO 6102 was that it was telegraphed about a month in advance. This game wealthy Americans plenty of time to remove their gold from the US and put it in Europe, England, South America, and various other locations before EO 6102 took effect.

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Thanks 41MagMan,

                I’ve noted your post here many several times…they are always on point and brimming with good info. I TAKE it that you’re a History buff…some several I remember have alluded to things previous that most would not know. Excellent, “Those who do not remember History ARE Doomed to repeat it.”, No? ;)

                JOG

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              Tepost

              Howdy JJsan,

              I like the moniker, kinda like I like ‘Satori’ here as well! Anyhow, Silver is not a bad choice…neither a good choice either. No one knows what will fall out if things ‘go South’ as it were. As regards the assertion that the GOV will come in and compel us to surrender it – fat chance. THAT only worked in an era where the People YET had some respect – deserved or not – for the Government. As you have PROBABLY noticed, here, in a time when People are broadly talking about pure, open defiance of any governmental restrictions on the firearms – which are ONLY things adter all, albeit USEFUL ones! – WHAT do you think is REALLY going happen when goons from the GOV stop by to say, “I’m here from the goverment…to pick up your GOLD”? Hark, …I hear the sound of HYSTERICAL laughter in the background…

              You suggestion is historically valid based on what HAS happened…it does not, however, mean that it IS going to happen AGAIN. The Bankster’s which have ran everything for century’s are NOW clearly identified in the mind of John Q Public and frankly, the hatred which is seething just below the surface in the mind’s of same is about to go ‘Krakatoa’ …BOOOOM!

              Nice ‘jabberin’ at you!

              JOG

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              • JJsan says:

                Hi JOG,

                To tell you the truth, I don’t think anyone knows what is going to happen. What if people are starving, then gold and silver are worthless if no one recognizes them as a form of currency. If you have a good water filter, that would probably be worth its weight in gold then… and never forget lead. I am a student of history, and what I have seen is that history always repeats itself. The parallels between Osavior and Hitler are frightening. But I think that the PTB have learned from the mistakes that the NAZIs made and are trying to make sure they don’t follow a 1000 year Reich into little more than a decade.

                As far as any form of confiscation, I don’t think that anyone will go door to door for anything. Too dangerous, for police or even the military. I don’t think people are as naive or stupid enough to give up gold or any PM if ordered too, but I do think the Govt will simply make things illegal and try and get the new “restricted” items over the course of a generation or two if possible. I agree that the respect for the Govt is at an all time low, with Congress having an approval rating of somewhere around 9%. The country, and the world, is a powder keg ready to explode.

                I don’t want to rule the world, just my house…. LOL

                Keep your powder dry,
                JJsan

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                • JustOneGuy says:

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                  Howdy JJsan!

                  “To tell you the truth, I don’t think anyone knows what is going to happen.”

                  ABSOLUTELY, it’s all just pure guess work…nobody’s EVER seen anyhting like what we’re positing here to happen. At least, NOT on this scale…

                  IF this does become “The Sum of ALL Fears” then there’s some easily understood ramifications to this…some of which you mention yourself. The level of the “Fall” approaching is what’s germaine to the situation. IF they can – somehow – find a way to ‘deflate’ this idiocy it’d be ‘a hard row to hoe’ for sure, otherwise it will be beyond conception…BAD.

                  Think about it: No more manufacturing, no commerce, no JIT delivery of needful things…

                  In that circumstance you literally have to plan to acquire everything you need for about 20 years – other than food -, which you’d be COMPELLED to grow…there isn’t any realistic way to store so much – since not only would you have to survive the ‘Fall’ itself but also the period beyond that – probably a gerneration of Man – till things got back to something resembling society, civilization. In this I offer two words that sum it all up (as being the targets you’re trying to hit, “Toolage” and “Knowledge”. If you lack either you won’t make it long-term.

                  The fabrication of toolage – to modern standards is impossibly difficult…without MODERN toolage, Eh? The knowledge part of things is a bit more expansive inasmuch as anything you might need to do you would require – APRIORI – the knowledge of. To be sure, some simple things you could learn as you went along…but they’d neccessarily be those types of knowledge that aren’t life-and-Death critical…ALL such as that would lead to…a bad end, to say the least.

                  As far as the confiscation thing I dunno..at this point they are beginning to be PRESSED very hard as the Castle starts falling apart around them…desperate people do STUPID things, Eh? Well have to wait and see on that one…either way though…IF we don’t CHOOSE to cooperate with thier lunacy then, simply put, it’s game over. Furthermore I THINK they KNOW this alraady. The Europeans – servants of the extended Rothschild family, and little else as they aren’t permitted any real arms – are in a slightly different boat than are we…I think that’s why they tried ‘floating’ this over there first. They’d have a hell of a time trying that – as a start – over here. Anywho, Too-do-loo Friend!

                  JOG

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            • MaxFubar says:

              Lol…You might keep your powder dry, but buddy, there will not be a dry eye in the house. Cause when Uncle Sam takes it all, it’s all over but the crying.

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              • JJsan says:

                Max,

                Good point….. sniff

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                • JustOneGuy says:

                  @ HHsan and Max,

                  Ummm, not quite…

                  As far as similarities between the two..there are some, but in Germany it was the case that there existed a homogenous population which had been utterly beaten down by the auterity of the reperations imposed by the Treaty of Versailles, Yes? HERE OTOH, we have a HUGELY polarized population – one half for, the other half rabidly against – such that any attempt to ‘smooze’ the “Body Americana” is simply doomed to failure. That impies that the ONLY method that the PTB might use which would have ANY possibility of success would be direct coercion of the citizenry…and we ALL know exactly where that would go…American Revolution II

                  Too, it is the case that the GOV can make anything it want’s to illegal…won’t make one damn bit of difference inasmuch as the Prople are actally starting to ‘wake-up’ to the pure truth that this entire scenario is just simply a massive PONZI scheme designed to benefit the Oligarch’s and the collaborators therewith. WHEN they started that there’d be so much ‘back-flash’ that they’d effectively be unable to ENFORCE any such on the populace at large….too busy with a civil insurrection…country-wide. That’s WHY it is imperative for eveyone to ‘back-up’ (like backing up a hard drive) thier lives to something outside the FRN’s in use now. So long as THEY control the masses through those there can be no effective resistance to thier edicts. WITH that as a ‘fait accompli’, prefacto…they’re SCREWED.

                  Remember always that they have no power which we – by our assent, in a very real practical sense – do not yield to them…participation in the FRN system is JUST that. Also, if they piss us off enough, what ARE they going to do when 100 Million People simply ‘turn-off’ the ‘machine’, quit producing, quit doing anything which assist them in perpetuatiing the current control paradigm? WE are the POWER Y’all…NOT them…WE are the ones who can turn it off.

                  You might recognize this from Frank Herbert’s “Dune”,

                  “He who can destroy a thing, controls that thing.”

                  If we refuse to participate in our own screwing there’s not one damn thing they can do other than kill a few people to make examples ot of them….AND THAT will be THIER end in short order…THE HUNT WILL BE ON…for THEM!

                  Truly World, WROL….think about it.

                  JOG

                  JOG

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          • tony x says:

            Rev Lindsey Williams was told that when the Euro tanks, you have two weeks in the US to get out of all paper.He said that bonds,FRNS,stocks etc would be worth the paper that they are written on.
            Get herloom seeds, canned foods, ammo( if you can find it) etc.BIBLE.know where there is water …………..iodine……..silver will be good barter item,but silver is bulky.Gold ids better to store.ditto

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          • WHat is a FRN?

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        • vincero says:

          and what do you suggest people use other than money?

          marbles??

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          • Foreigner says:

            http://www.orania.co.za

            These bright sparks created their own currency.

            I have seen Americans do this too.

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          • Heretic Historian says:

            Vincero, the mind is the first prison you must escape.

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          • MaxFubar says:

            This country’s first currency was tobacco. John Rolfe and Pocahantas capitalized on that currency. Rolfe grew the feces out of tobacco, and it was in great demand back in Europe, kinda like Crack is today. But now they want to take tobacco away too, by taxing the feces out of it, and making it hard to smoke in public. Marbles may not be a bad idea, just as long as they are made from gold or silver!

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        • Gods Creation says:

          “The sad truth is that by using Federal Reserve Notes, you agree to the terms set forth therein by the Federal Reserve Bank. The Central bankers monopolize the monetary system and control the underlying events. If the people would simply start to move away from Fed notes (debt instruments with the built-in ability to rob our wealth through inflation) their power would diminish to the point of insignificance. As long as we use their money, they’ll control the economy, military, politicians, and us. Period.”

          That was so good I couldn’t quote a part of it, so I pasted the whole thing so it can be read twice, and hopefully understood and acted upon.

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          • MaxFubar says:

            I think the colony’s here in the US tried that one back in the 1760′s, and King George did not like that, so he sent a bunch of soldiers to NYC ports, and started a revolution. Fortunately we won,so We now celebrate that occasion, on the 4th of July every year by popping off a bunch of firecrackers.

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        • Heretic Historian says:

          Sterling speaks great wisdom. Every time I hear someone say that “they are stealing from us”, I want to laugh. It is their useless paper, it was their idea. They can’t steal from themselves. The mistake we made was that we attached “worth” and “value” to the fiat currencies by giving it our freedom and our energy. We agreed to the terms (albeit hidden) when we agreed to use the currency. Every FRN is a unit of debt itself… a loan. It was never ours.

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          • MaxFubar says:

            Correct! But we are born into this system of debt slavery. Once you get your ass slapped by the doctor, and a 9 digit SS# tagged to you for the rest of your life, you are nothing but govt. property.

            “Slavery has not been abolished, it has just been modified”….Anonymous

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        • Brian says:

          Use current US coin. It’s made by the mint and issued via the Treasury. Its debt free! It’s all we’ve got at this point.

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        • Anonymous says:

          What would happen if our glorious gov just said to the fed, hey thanks,but were not going to pay you back jack shit……we will take it from here……could we still use the same money that’s already being used..?

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        • Infidel says:

          They’ll never allow that to happen.

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        • Jomidax3 says:

          SterlingSilver, you are correct!! However, there are too many people on the dole in the US and the money they are spending isn’t THEIR money so they don’t care. They’re led around by their welfare checks and the promise of more benefits without the benefit of having to get their asses off the couch and work for it so they’re going to do what’s easiest…which is NOTHING! Meanwhile, the rest of us are gearing up for something really ugly coming around the bend. It’ll be a bit like Noah and the Ark….a cleansing, if you will.

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      • Gods Creation says:

        “”When they come, they will take everything they can.”"

        That’s why I have nothing they can take.

        If you still have savings in bank, you are an idiot. They can take everything attached with the SSN I was fraudulently issued long ago, and they will get NOTHING.

        For Gods sake people, QUIT USING THEIR NUMBERS. That is how they attach your funds and make them theirs. You are, after all the corps employee and THAT NUMBER ALONE IS ALL THE PROOF THEY NEED that whatever you have belongs to the corp.

        Quit doing business with them, unless you ARE a business without choice. If you keep your money in a bank and lose it all, don’t come crying to me.

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        • stacey says:

          How can you not do business with them?

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          • Padre says:

            Avoid playing the game, by following the governments example. Don’t use savings as operating funds, use lines of credit instead. No one is going to tax your line of credit after all… Keep your profits separate, hidden, and in intrinsically valuable units, including but not limited to metals, that are not easily found and confiscated.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            “”"How can you not do business with them?”"”

            A better question would be “How can I continue to do business with them knowing what they are doing to the future of my family and country?”

            The banksters themselves should be all the proof you need that when there is a will, no matter how evil, there is a way. They have even convinced you that you can not get by without them.

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          • FedUp47 says:

            Just don’t do it..it’s that simple. Pay cash for everything. I haven’t done business with banks for years..I refuse. When they started their nickel and diming BS which soon became more and more dollars BS I quit having anything to do with them and haven’t missed it a bit. I pay cash for everything and if I can’t afford it I don’t get it. But they don’t get my money either! Ha!!

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        • Facebook Page says:

          You don’t need to bury yourself in the bunker yet. But I have to agree its time to separate your wealth from the system. I started a full pull out a while ago. Had plan on leaving some in the market to play with like craps. But from what I see it all ready rolled the 7. (I not talking about emergency last min $ in checking account YET)

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          • Eisenkreuz says:

            I pulled all my shit out in 2008. I only left enough in the accounts to write checks. My broker told me not to time the markets. I just laughed.

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            • Not Timothy says:

              I bet that was a really tasty Big Mac you were able to purchase with your proceeds.

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            • grippentrog says:

              You say you are 28 and a student. You then talk about having a broker when you were 23? You then pulled everything out of the pretend account and laughed at the broker. If you are so fucking smart, why didn’t you leave it in and pull it out now, when the DOW is at 14000? So in short, you bought high and sold low. I think your broker laughed at you. Oh, by the way, you are full of shit. You make most of what you say up. You forget your lies. Your view of raping women is fucked up. You make me sick.

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            • Heather says:

              And if you had left it alone you’d have all your money back now….

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          • The solution is balance.

            Always have enough on-hand and at-home to handle a global SHTF event. The rest you can do whatever you want with: Put it in the credit union (fuck banks), stocks, 401k/IRAs, whatever. Blow it all off at a whorehouse on a weekend to remember if it makes you happy.

            Point is, as long as you have enough set back at home to snap up any last-moment (of civilization) deals, handle emergencies (e.g. the transmission blows up), and the like? Shove the rest into paying off any and all debt (including that mortgage). After that? Well, who gives a damn? It’s just money. If you’ve reached that nirvana where you have all the preps you need, and own the land free/clear, then the rest doesn’t matter.

            Even if the government took every penny from every bank account over $10k, it won’t be enough to save them (and the sufficiently wealthy/intelligent will have their money stashed overseas anyway). IMHO, consider it a parting gift – I’m working towards a day when money as the typical suburbanite knows it will cease to exist.

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            • durango kidd says:

              This is primarily a tax on the Russian Mafia
              (and a few Chinese) who are hiding hundreds of millions of dollars in Cyprus.

              The fun starts when the EU goes after Catholic Church property and accounts in Italy that funnel $10 billion pounds of British Pound Sterling Drug Money every year.

              The Russian mafia will accept it as a cost of doing business without Putin. The Italian Mafia will get nasty.

              What does Manos say?

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              • I’m thinking the EU won’t be able to get near the Church’s wealth. Vatican City is a sovereign “nation state” and not subject to EU regulations. I believe this is also why the Church forced celibacy on the priesthood several hundred years ago. This gave them complete control over the property rights with no spousal or heir arguments. After all, it’s all about control and money and not actually about any Higher Power. Of course, I suppose I could be wrong.

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                • Observer says:

                  You are wrong, very wrong.
                  To the contrary, they will go after them.
                  Not yet but soon, certainly they will go, rob them and destroy them for good. Read Revelation 18. There is described their end.
                  Will be fun.

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                • Anonymous says:

                  So dead on,Jrs…richest organization” private” in the world…….puts bill gates to shame! ……if it wasn’t about money,just god,would there be any starving people in this world?……why do priests and fathers drive Mercedes !….when they vow to give to charity ….all BS

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  Yes, they will eventually loot the Church. It worked for Henry VIII. His marriage status was just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to motivation for his break with Rome.

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                • Thanks for the giggle, but…

                  The Vatican doesn’t have near as much scratch as most folks pretend to know about.

                  Start here: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/10/sell_the_vatican_feed_the_world.html

                  ~$1.9bn of net worth is some serious money (maybe triple it when you add global properties), but no matter what credible (and at least somewhat verifiable) estimate you can come up with? Well, let’s compare it to…

                  Microsoft (~$250bn) http://ycharts.com/companies/MSFT/market_cap

                  Apple (~$416bn)
                  http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap

                  Exxon Mobil (~$407bn)
                  http://ycharts.com/companies/XOM/market_cap

                  As youo can see, if you want to follow the money (and therefore power), you need to know where to look… and trust me, not even the most fevered tinfoil-inspired dreams of clerical global money/power can compare to corporate wealth.

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              • OutWest says:

                I fear the silence of Manos is a bad omen……

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                • Its Not Me says:

                  I was just going to say the same thing

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                • Not Timothy says:

                  I think he just tired of the blog. So much fighting, less prepping lately. It’s hard to read it in comfort and I imagine would be even harder if you were dealing with SHTF crap.

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                • possee says:

                  Manos was doing okay last time we communicated.

                  They were harvesting their olive groves and preparing as always..

                  Last email..
                  Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 6:05 AM
                  Subject: Hey guys

                  Hey,

                  Are you ok?

                  We heard on the news that a storm is heading towards your area.

                  I hope you are prepared.

                  We are still alive and strong.

                  kisses from Greece.

                  Manos

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            • Makati1 says:

              Ah, but there is enough trillions in the 401ks and the other retirement mutual funds, etc. They will soon be targeted and then the bank accounts. You own nothing in today’s world. The Fed has a collar around your neck and is about to yank it hard. Are you prepared?

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              • Wally says:

                Coming soon to a town near you.

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                @ Makatil,

                …BINGO!!!!

                These SHITS will go WHEREVER the ‘Money’ is to save thier WRETCHED ASSE’S Think Not…THINK AGAIN, HERE in the good ol US of A as WELL…

                JOG

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              • Elite Banking Scum says:

                This is why Obama passed the NDAA lock your ass up forever bill and they are stocking ammo and staffing fema camps.

                All the ira and 401k will be taken.

                Long ago an old business man told me to only put the min. amount to get the employer match. He told me to buy rental property…and not own too much of it… better to have quality than a big mess. “BE CAREFUL HOW MUCH YOU PUT IN THAT…IT’S A GOVT. PROGRAM AND SURE AS SHIT…THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO SCREW YOU. BUY REAL ESTATE AS YOU FULLY CONTROL IT. AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE..MOVE ALL YOUR ASSETS TO SILVER.”

                WOW….This guy was right.

                Those were his exact words.

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                • Bullets math.... says:

                  http://dieboomerdie.blogspot.com/

                  My new sport is hearing of all the boomers dying off…
                  They ran up huge debt and are now after our retirement accounts.

                  They all bought huge rvs from inherited money while their kids lived off of credit cards.

                  Good bye to that generation…

                  Clinton.. “I didn’t inhale”.
                  Liers too.

                  Clinton should have said that he was high when he was banging Monika.
                  I would have had more respect for him.

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            • In the event of a bank run, credit unions will be no different than a bank.

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              • Facebook Page says:

                Worse they keep even less on hand

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                • howdy doody says:

                  I’ve had no problems withdrawing funds at my credit union. But, if I withdraw over a certain ammount, they do like a days notice as they don’t keep over a certain ammount of cash on hand. Plus, they never ask me what I’m doing with the money, and they never try to persuade me leave it in the bank.
                  But, I do feel that when everything goes sour, they will close their doors like everyone else. In these difficult times, I think that everyone has to find what works for them, as in a balance between keeping funds in a bank to pay bills, and keeping cash at hand. There are no easy answers.

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              • MaxFubar says:

                “Read my Lips! No New Taxes!”….El Presidente de Bush de Whacker

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            • Gods Creation says:

              “”Even if the government took every penny from every bank account over $10k, it won’t be enough to save them”"

              Even if they took 100% of all savings, investment, and income, it would not put a dent in the so called deficit.

              They CANT pay anything anyway, there is no money.

              I have a solution. All they need to do is get one Man to sign a Promissory Note for the full amount of ALL federal reserve note denominated paper in the world and discharge it.

              The paper debts are worth nothing. Money is created on the securing of a promissory note to pay it back through the banking fraud system.

              All it would take to balance the worlds books and harmlessly destroy the derivatives bubble is ONE signature from a Man on a 300 Trillion dollar P-note.

              That would leave nothing but the actual physical FRN paper notes in your wallet, and there are really not that many of them.

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            • MaxFubar says:

              Own! That is a joke! Nobody owns nothing but their soul. Stop paying taxes on that land, house or car, and see who ends up with it.

              “Give your belongings to the Man! but let God have your soul”….Amen

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              • curious says:

                Max- read Matthew 22:17.. “Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?” Also, Matthew 19:23, 24…. Then said Jesus unto his disiples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
                Do I think it’s wise to worry about this subject?— NO! This, or any government has absolutely ZERO control of me

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          • Foster Grant says:

            If one looks at the current situation OBJECTIVELY, there is absolutley no reason to stay in the money system and plenty of reasons to get out. The risk you take by staying exposed to outright theft is growing daily while the interest you earn in those accounts doesn’t even keep up with inflation, has zero chance for outsized capital gains and even more importantly, support the structure that is killing us all.

            Take you money out of everything you can, put it in gold and silver and just sit on it…don’t trade in and out, don’t worry and don’t look at it. You are much more likely to be able to keep what you have while kicking the elite in the head when you exit the system.

            Just do it. Now. There is no longer any reason not to.

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        • Be informed says:

          And they would have us believe that everything is going fantastic because the stock market reached another record high a couple of days ago. You have all these people jumping on the bandwagon not wanting to be left out for the easy money. I think we already had the same rush around 2008, and a lot of people ended up in the poorhouse because of this. You right now have the same people that lost their shirts using credit AGAIN to jump into the stock market to this time make a killing. Just like the rampant gambler that just knows that the Vegas streak of bad luck will end and they will make their money back and then some. Same trap, same results.

          STUPIDITY HAS A HABIT OF GETTING ITS WAY.

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          • Horse'sass says:

            The stock market run up has been based on very thin volume, so it doesn’t take much buying to raise the price. Insiders selling at near 50:1 ratio last month compared to buyers. Translation: greater fool, (also known as the retail buyer, or formerly known as the “saver”).

            The way I see it, since the government is ramping the stock market so vigorously and consistently, it must now be really worried about the bottom falling out. Otherwise, it would have been content to let the markets languish several hundred points ago.

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            • Be informed says:

              @ Horse’sass. Exactly, the people jumping into the stocks are exactly the ones that CANNOT afford to lose. The “professional” stock players are not in for the long term, that explains the low volume. It reminds me of the scratch off lottery tickets that destroy the ignorant. They rig those tickets to give out just enough back that the desperate person then goes and reinvests in more tickets, then wins back $2 or so and re-purchases more tickets and finally loses. They had that thrill of winning, so they buy some more, maybe $5 or so, but enough to keep the game winning and the fool losing.

              Some states have decided to sell ONLY lottery games such as Powerball, Mega Millions, etc. because this INSTANT gambling sensation of winning gives a person the “fever”. The stock market is rigged right now as such. The stocks go up and up, and someone sees that their “worth” as increased. It is difficult for them to get out when it goes down, as the stockbroker will tell them it is only a correction. For real estate this correction never stopped and people are bankrupt because of it.

              That point is that someone cannot win a rigged game in the long run when they just cannot get out when the getting is good. This is why precious metals that you can hold in your hands are really the ONLY answer to security with money. Food, water, and other necessities are the ONLY answer to what will save a person when SHTF hard and continuously. Unless someone is some expert in playing the markets in which they win if they go up or win they go down, no one should be in them.

              I say that security is worth way more than speculative high risk profit. You can’t lose with gold, silver, platinum, palladium, etc. as long as there is still a functioning society. You can’t lose with storing up what you need for your very surivival of your physical body, period.

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              • WARFACE says:

                Be Informed..I closed out my accounts about 2 years ago and went all-in on physical Pms. It pisses me off the way that the PM market is manipulated but it just goes to show how desperate the government is to keep the value of the dollar up. I wanted to say that if people really knew what was happening behind their backs/right under their noses, that we would be out on the streets with laterns and pitchforks but I caught myself before saying it. In these times you would think people would be tucking in a bit but it seems like people are spending more wrecklessly than ever. Like its a status symbol that they have a job and you don’t so watch me spend my money and I hope you are jealous!
                I enjoy your posts and this post reassures me that I will be ok in PMs. I might not be making any money but I know I will be ok when it hits the fan.

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                • The only thing left.. says:

                  Real Estate rental property.
                  You become your own elite.
                  You get the net income of your tenants…about 20%.

                  Real estate..that’s all that’s left for the avg. guy.

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                • Shootit says:

                  The key is you did not loose any of your PM. You still have x ounces. Just like ground an acre is an acre is an acre. You give me 6 oz. of gold and you can have my acre of ground. We must get over tying it’s value to a FRN.

                  Two key things to look at to get a true sense of the market. CPI & BDI (Consumer Price Index & Baltic Dry Index) Today these Indexes are telling me/us that the market is a giant BUBBLE. Something crappy is going to happen and your PM, Guns, Bullets, Food, Farm ground, Water, will jump in value vs. FRN. Once the FRN collapses the CORP. will be looking to come after your stuff. Why do they want to know so much about you?

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              • don't tread says:

                This article is a precursor to what may soon happen in the Americas. The false sense of security of a large volume in the stock market, has the sheeple blinded.
                They will keep investing and thinking payoff down the road. The problem with the high volume, is that it is propped up with debt dollars by the Fed.

                When, and not “if”, the funds stop coming from the fed; the people left holding paper will most likely be left holding next to nothing. The banksters and corporate whores will have already scoffed off with their futures.

                A well informed and seemingly smart economics/investment advisor, said last week; “I see a steady rise to about 1500 on the market, and then comes the correction. Anyone not getting out at that time may be seeing their funds in the range of the bear market of 2008, about 6000. If you took the gamble, and got in deep at that time, and get out soon, you will have made a bundle.”

                I see too many with greed in their eyes, that will hold off until it is too late. Then we may see a tax and block of all accounts to keep everything from crashing; so they will say. I say, the crash has already happened and most are too blind,stupid, and greedy to do anything about it.

                My investments are all tied up for a SHTF scenario, and no bureaucratic bozo is gonna fuck me out of my stuff. We are prepared for the long haul.

                NOMI

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        • JayJay says:

          GC…anyone with money in ANY bank after the regulation that makes banks entitled to your deposits IF/WHEN they defaults, deserves to lose all they have intrusted that bank with.

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          • JayJay says:

            entrust

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          • Facebook Page says:

            They deserve it. Bullshit. You suck for wishing that on people.

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            • Saying people deserve it may be harsh, but we HAVE all been warned. The banksters and their conspirators in the courts have told us EXACTLY what they have in mind.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              If they steal your money, they need to get torched. Then go after the execs.

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Ahhh, a MAN “after my own Heart”

                Howdy Kula…was gettin worried about ya! Hadn’t ‘
                seen’ you in a bit Brother ;) Hey good NEWS, I hear that there will soon be a HUGE sale on COUNTRY-WIDE on 1 inch hemp rope…

                …I’ll try to dig up my links for ‘Hangmen’s Noose’, as SOON as I find them I’ll post it in for EVERYONE HERE! :) ;)

                JOG

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                • Kulafarmer says:

                  Thanks bud, been busy,
                  In my preps are a couple full spools of 12mm static haul line, makes nice noose and anchor lines and doesn’t stretch too much! And. Its recyclable!

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                • Paranoid says:

                  I have 600 feet of yellow poly rope, very scratchy, have been saving it. will trade for two front row tickets.

                  Md. LaFarge

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                • Its Not Me says:

                  I can get a good deal on hemp seeds, will it grow fast enough to make our own rope?

                  ’cause you know those types will bitch about it not being a new rope we hang um with..jus-sayin…lol

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              • brrrrrrrp says:

                2700 dhs tanks and 2 billion bullets are for the idiots that riot

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              • My neighbor is a low-level bankster. They ALL live somewhere, and their neighbors probably know what they do for a living. Ic case of a bank run, none will be safe, even from people who lose money to a different bank. Right or wrong, guilt by association will be the rule.

                To all bank employees; when you go to work, I suggest keeping a pack handy with some bum clothes and something to make yourself look dirty and unkempt. Those “Chase” or “Key bank” golf shirts are actually bullseyes. “I’m just a teller” won’t go over very well.

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                • stcroix says:

                  you’re so tough bob.
                  so a teller, trying to make a living and support his/her family would/should be a target?
                  get a hold of yourself tough guy, people like you are what’s wrong with this world

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                • Its Not Me says:

                  No he’s right, thats good opsec..

                  because the crazed masses wont care if you have a teller job,, they will associate them (little people) with the crisis at hand and do unspeakable things because they feel they are part of thier problem.

                  I know its hard for some people to see how that plays out, but you have to be smart and think outside the box on this

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          • KY Mom says:

            They have rigged the system so that many people now receive payment in fund transfers. Many paychecks, social security, etc. are all paid via direct deposits. Then, many banks limit how much money people can withdraw daily.

            Many places now even REQUIRE that insurance payouts be deposited in a bank. We received a home insurance payment after the tornado damaged our roof last spring. We were not allowed to cash the insurance check, but HAD to deposit it in the bank. Once it was deposited, we went straight to the store and bought roofing supplies and lumber. We still had to wait a couple weeks for the supplies (ordered) to arrive and to schedule the roofers.

            The whole system has been set, so banks have this free use of other peoples money…and most people have no say in the matter.

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        • Anonymous says:

          But, but.. Lazy minorities…. But, ‘Obamacare’
          But , butbut.. Unprepared, lazy non-preppers, suckling the govt teat!!!
          How can they call it a ‘tax’ if it ain’t bein misappropriated to pay for baby formula an food stamps in the ghetto?
          It ain’t tax, it’s THEFT.
          Those damned Europeans.

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        • Capitan Tormenta says:

          U are correct. If you have and use a SS# the supreme court says you have contracted to be in the system and U volenteer to be a 14th adment. citizen totally under the United States, Inc. They own YOU!

          If U really want an interesting explaination go to:

          “The Greatest Story Never Told” by Al Barcroft

          A short read but hightly informative.

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      • Paranoid says:

        Anybody hear if the bankers that lent all that money and got all those bonuses; had to pay any back, or got fired, or jailed? Didn’t think so. Is it just me being Paranoid; or does anyone else think we are being set up to be FXXXed?

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      • Anonymous says:

        “Restrictions have been imposed”. Translation: Capital controls. If you only have $1K, you certainly can’t afford to give away $100.

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        • Paranoid says:

          WOW You sure don’t understand Bankers: The Draft of the actual letter you are going to get already reads: “Dear X customer: We have reviewed your account and determined that the small amount of money you have in it indicates one of two things. 1 You are hiding your real money elsewhere and deserve to lose this, you disgusting tax cheat. OR 2. If this is all you have; you are to poor to survive the coming bad times and may as well starve mow. Therefore, you cash has been transferred to us and your account closed. You owe us $25 for the cost of closing your account. Sinc.etc.”
          Now you understand.

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      • possee says:

        Mac

        It’s just a matter of time..

        If, and when, the sheep realize their fiat frn’s are becoming worthless at a rapid rate..that is when the shtf will occur..just as in 2008..

        Until then, everything will be normalcy bias as usual..

        As is your prior articles..the propaganda continues unabated and the majority continue to believe in the false paradigms..nearly all will pay no attention nor will the msm even convey this at all..

        Our politicians will still be babbling about sequester and some such ad nauseum as rome self destructs on a daily basis til it all tips over..

        I only wish we could have a time line..which is absurd yet absolutely necessary ..

        dream on..

        possee

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        • Priceless:
          The look on the faces of Boner, Pissosi, et al when the helicopter does not arrive and they realize that their reservation at the underground Shangra-La has been cancelled.

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            @ Bob,

            Truly, I hadn’t THOUGHT of that…

            …Hhahahahahhhahahahahahahah

            Oops, sorry…I was temporarily overcome…

            …Hhahahahhahahahahaha

            Really…I have to go now…my Heart!, I CAN’T BREATHE!

            hahahhahahaaaaa…………..

            JOG

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            • don't tread says:

              Or better yet; they make it to their “underground” Shangra-la, and the earth begins to rumble and crumble around them and God takes them to the “bad side of the gulf”, in Purgatory.

              We never have to deal with the likes of evil again. Hell has a special place reserved for liars and thieves.
              Lawyers and politicians, Banksters and Corporate Gurus, will make the place as crowded as our prisons.

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          • TrailGuide says:

            @Bob… I do believe I would give up a few FakeReserveNotes just to have a picture of some faces as the ‘special just for you loyal commi-servants’ drones arrive and aren’t for their transport. What a wonder of the thoughts that would ensue as their pea-brains try to grasp what went wrong….”but,but, we did everything ask, master”.

            Thanks for prompting me to take a short break in my normal thinking about liars, thieves, crooks.

            ~..’ TG (I think I’ll go start a few more seeds in celebration of: SHTF is once again confirmed as baked in)

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          • Shootit says:

            The pilot went to pick up his family and friends.

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        • 230 JHP says:

          @Possee,

          “I only wish we could have a time line..which is absurd yet absolutely necessary.”

          I agree with you. Since you don’t have a timeline I suggest that you create your own. As in, this is going down NOW, take action NOW, do everything possible NOW, because as this story clearly illustrates you may not have the time, not even a couple of hours to react. You may not have the time to make a last run to the grocery store, the bank for cash and contents of your safe deposit box, and the gas station. The people of Cyprus, and all of the foreigners with money in Cyprus’ banks, went to sleep on Friday night thinking all was well. They woke up on Saturday to a financial hell.

          Just ask yourself now, “If I only had a 1 hour notice, a five minute warning, what would I like to have in place in order to be good to go? Like Samuel Johnson said years ago, I will live every moment as if I only had one hour left to live.

          Good luck, hang in there. All you can do is give it your best effort.

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        • Journalist says:

          Possee,
          Here is my timeline: 2015. There is a very rare series of two solar and two lunar eclipses in that year and they occur on Biblical Jewish holy days. It is also the 7th year from the last collapse.

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      • crash and burn says:

        coming to a country near you!

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      • OutWest says:

        “Mother should I trust the government?”……Pink Floyd

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      • tom kauser says:

        Ownership has its own reward. Freedom is another word for give me what you got? Expat markers cut and run to Iceland!

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      • Big B says:

        Buy tangible goods now at todays prices

        google Alpha Strategy PDF and read that book, physical goods give returns not bank accounts and paper wealth,

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      • Red Leader says:

        Unless you have it in your possession, you don’t own squat!

        Why keep money in the bank? It’s not like you are getting any interest. Just keep enough in the bank to pay your bills every month.

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      • buggymak110 says:

        That’s why i prep!!!!

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      • ready to go says:

        great comment cowboy!

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      • The “restructuring” of Detroit is a euphemism for a slash and burn policy of destroying city jobs, cutting wages and pensions, gutting social services from sanitation and firefighting to health care and education, and handing over city assets to private bankers and speculators. The very social forces responsible for the city’s present state are utilizing the crisis of their own making to step up their plundering of public resources and further redistribute the wealth from the bottom to the top.

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        • The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

          Hegel’s dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Problem: Reaction: Solution! The globalist agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

          Problem: Reaction: Solution

          When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. … Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what’s really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel’s and Engel’s ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

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      • durango kidd says:

        I wouldn’t want to be the Cyprus government official who signed off on that deal. I predict he will die accidentally, under mysterious circumstances. Much like those 47 people around and about Bill and Hillary Clinton.

        That said, Cyprus is not the USA. WE had the collapse. WE are in “recovery”. At least as much as an economy can “recover” when its factories and jobs are still being off shored, and at a blistering pace.

        Whats with the strange fog Mac? :-)

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      • Why would the banksters/politicians even bother to confiscate anything from us when all they have to do is print up more? (Federal Reserve)

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      • Carolina Girl says:

        “Fixin’ to”, LOL you’re speaking my language!!!

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      • disector says:

        They have been telling us all that it is raining outside when we all know they have been pissing down our backs for years. If they take it by BS tax or inflation dose not matter. They have been taking and taking for years and I don’t they are going to stop any time soon.

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      • Rabid Cat says:

        In Australia, Government can confiscate privately owned GOLD, legislation going waaaaay back, here:-
        http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ba195972/s42.html

        Just thought I’d let you yanks know, hope you guys don’t have similar l.a.w.

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    2. pale rider says:

      Have we been preaching GET IT OUT NOW from all banks no matter what they are, GET OUT NOW. If you stay in then you lose everything.

      NOMI MOLON LABE
      OR

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Howdy PR,

        “I told you so” is a DISH best served while GIGGLING…

        …BUT, I could BE wrong…What do You think Bro?

        JOG

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        • pale rider says:

          JOG: How about laughing all the way to the bank; and we change it to laughing all the way HOME from the bank.

          So many people live by what the bank statement says, sad so sad.

          NOMI_____MOLON LABE_____KTLTW
          PR

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        • Paranoid says:

          Hagar the Horrible once told his kid: “The secret of happiness is being happy with what you get.” “So when you are getting, get enough” I just wish I knew what enough was.

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      • COME AND TAKE IT says:

        The phrase molon labe (Ancient Greek μολὼν λαβέ molṑn labé; reconstructed Ancient Greek pronunciation [molɔːn labé]; Modern Greek pronunciation [moˈlon laˈve]) means “Come and take”. It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.

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    3. Just In Case says:

      Are you kidding me! How can this be done. It looks like they rob us before we get it and now you are saying they are going to rob us after it is in our account. I think I am going to get sick!

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    4. Mclovin says:

      Jesus Saves, but governments only withdraw.

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    5. Freemason666 says:

      FASCISM –

      makes alot of sense

      punish the TAX DEBT SERF SLAVES people BY STEALING THEIR MONEY RIGHT FROM THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS !!!

      for the CRIMES LIES FRAUD THEFT of the criminal fraudulant political royal class .

      coming soon to MARXIST RED COMMIE AmeriKa … DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR MONEY IS ???

      IS IT REAL MONEY ???

      GOT PHYZZ ???

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    7. Its Not Me says:

      Boy this could really get the fur flying..one sure way to fire off the revolt

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      • RickInOregon says:

        The Cypriots elected the government, milked all they could out of it and danced when the party was raging and now their regretting the hangover. It will happen to us when the creditors can’t profit from lending us anymore and then demand payment. Iceland’s decision to stiff the bankers is looking smarter and smarter everyday.

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    8. I saw this earlier today. Wow! The question is, how are the people of Cyprus going to take this? Lying down? How much of their reaction will show other countries what to expect from their citizens?

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      • Cede or Bleed says:

        That’s why it happened in Cyprus. Lower population, so limited size of reaction. If raiding people’s accounts works in this test bed trial, the other more populous countries will implement it too after studying the reaction.

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      • Coolio says:

        Ha…

        It’s all going down… I really don’t care any more.

        I’m just waiting for all these greedy boomers to die off.

        I’m already hearing of them passing….music to my ears.

        Money is an illusion.
        If you have a roof over your head, food and love…you have it all.

        I was working in the home of an extremely wealthy guy… Worth about $50m.
        He was in a chair, on oxygen…he told me he’d give it all up to be me… young, healthy and more time. One of the fuckers who smoked and give me second hand smoke.
        My parting words to him after I got paid was…..

        MONEY IS JUST AN ILLUSION….INVENTED BY MAN….IT’S NOT REAL.
        THE ONY REAL WEALTH IS HEALTH, LOVE, PEACE AND SELF SUFFICIENCY.
        He agreed. Later…he died that week.

        The only true wealth is peace of mind, health, and time.
        Prep. up…then relax and watch it all go down.
        Listen to music, enjoy your backyard lifetime vacation…screw Disney debt.

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        • Makati1 says:

          Boomers die off? Well, you have a few decades to wait. Sorry. The boomers are just now starting to retire, and most of them are still better off than you are. There are at least 72,000,000 of them or almost 1/4 of the Us population. At current life expectancies, most will live another 15-20 years or more. They are going to live longer than the current financial system, and maybe longer than the Us exists.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            Why do you think Bio Culling has been brought up so much.

            All that wealth transfered and taxed and only the working profit class left.

            Think it though people think it though

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        • @cool….you are a figment of your own imagination….you ooze the talk but would never walk the walk….

          fob

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        • SmokinOkie says:

          In keeping with my new resolution to be more intolerant of stupidity, I offer this to Coolio (Where’d ya get that name, Oakland?) and to NewJersey below, and all the other miniscule minds who have so little going on in their lives, that hating “Boomers” (whatever the hell that is), seems to be their only pasttime. If any of these pimply-faced boys would ever go out and get laid (for the first time in their lives), they’d probably begin to grow up.

          **Public Service Announcement To All Boomer-Haters**

          I’m a typical middle-aged American. I raised 3 boys. They all work full time, pay their own way in life, and don’t ask anybody for anything. A couple of them are soft-hearted enough to even help out their slacker acquaintances. You know, the idiots like you (who can’t fix a car, think about anything but themselves, or stay sober long enough to hold a job).
          None of my boys are trouble-makers. They never have been. But any ONE of them could whip your skinny ass in a hot minute. Don’t think so? Just try dissing me or their mother in front of them and find out.
          I also have a daughter. Yes, she’s beautiful. (takes after her mother) But, don’t even ask. She’s married. And even if she wasn’t, she wouldn’t give the time of day to a loser such as you. And, like her brothers, she is fully self supporting. And she could whip your ass, too. Don’t think so? Just ask the thug who tried to strong-arm rob her. She left him crumpled on the sidewalk, bleeding and laying in a puddle of his own piss. And, NO, she didn’t use her gun (even though she ALWAYS carries).
          Now, Mr Boomer-Hater, remember this: When the S truly HTF, don’t plan on sitting back and celebrating while my generation dies off. You’re barking up the wrong tree if you think blaming the previous generation will somehow benefit you. By the way, every generation since Caine and Abel have been pissing and moaning about the oldsters screwing everything up.(those boys, remarkably, had a legitimate case)
          Young people have always looked backwards to try and find fault. Most people eventually grow up, and grow out of that. Maybe it’s time some of you did.
          Also, many of us Boomers are not all that frail. Mentally or physically. Plenty of us still have enough sand in our craw to carry on after the crash. Best keep that in mind when insulting my generation.

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          • Ugly says:

            @Smokin….sounds like you did a great job raising your kids and family. My goal is to get back to the simplier things in life. And to follow the Man Upstairs more. Keep truckin! America stops when truckin stops….

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            • SmokinOkie says:

              Thanks Ugly. I pass 99% of the credit to their mother. And they are great kids! And the funny thing is, they’re all pretty average in most respects. They have no more inborn ablilties than most of their generation. So, while I jack-slap Eisen occasionally, I do recognize the failures of some young folks today, as being their own personal responsibilities, not the entire generation. I just wish he’d recognize the same for us old geezers. :)

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            • SmokinOkie says:

              I shall deign to answer you but once, whippersnapper. The point was two-fold
              One- I AIN’T THE ONE WHO SCREWED THINGS UP! Some people in every generation are scum. MOST of us are not! We raise our children to be responsible adults and, for the most part, we succeed. Hence, they succeed. Deal with the scum, not the entire generation.
              Two-While you sit on your ass whining, my sons are working, creating, doing and enjoying life while they succeed. One recently got his plumbing Contractors license. Not Journeyman license- Contractors license. Just last week (yes, March 11th to be exact) he opened his own business. He employs two others besides himself. And, in a weeks time, he’s finished $6,000 worth of work and has signed and locked in over $20,000 more. Already looking to hire a third employee. What did you do last week, whippersnapper?
              He’s well under 30 years of age. Much closer to your generation than any other. He knows all about the globalists/nwo and he’s well prepped. But he’s also having a blast, working, living, succeeding. How’re you doing in those departments, you impudent little twit?

              PS- He’s got a smokin hot wife.
              PPS- I’ve seen the Contractor’s licensing manuals he memorized to pass his tests. YOU would struggle to understand most of it.
              PPPS- He was sailing his paid-for boat in the gulf before you ever had your first wet dream.

              You are hereby DISMISSED.

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              • Hurray for Okie(sound of thunderous appause)…Okie you just cant fix stupid,even with facts, truth,wit and brains,I cant imagine how boring and miserable some people must be to come to a forum of people attempting to share imformation and life experiences with others who want to better themselves and then dissing them….sad…but not worth the effort to address them with any meaningful dialoge…they dont want to learn they just mock and ridicule…must suck to be so shallow of a loser that instead of offering something useful and uplifting(or just being quiet)they gotta run off at the yap and say something mean or stupid just to say something…again sad….I(all of us) know a few of these type who are all mouth but no substance who when the SHTF(or not) will become very dangerous to the people around them…maybe worse than the average crook or the clueless…when the time comes I think itll be prudent to burn a round in their faces right off…why give em a chance to harm us or someone else?..sounds mean but itll sound even meaner if as you bleed out you get to watch these losers hurt someone you love!
                Anyhow as you say Okie it wasnt you and it wasnt me(funny aint it these same weasels get upset if someone blames a whole race or religion for something but thell blame a whole generation for their screwed up existance)who messed things up but you know itll be us and others like us who fix it…Americans of all races and backgrounds and generations who love liberty and are willing to stand up for what they say they believe!
                So even though you may be casting your pearls before little swine who will trample on them(those of us who get it will be there to scarf them outta the mud,the pearls that is)you do make a great case…thanks! :)

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              • SmokinOkie says:

                In retrospect, that was pretty harsh. All he did was call me an old bastard, tell me I’m metamorphosizing my logos into pathos and it’s shit,(whatever that means) and blame me for helping destroy the country. Maybe I should have been kinder to the little asshole. Then again, NAH!

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                • I knew you were a turd herder! Eisencooters here, shitter’s full!

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                • Paranoid says:

                  As to what you may have to learn Eisen: I suggest as a small start: Politeness, courtesy, general manners, after you learn those somebody might be willing to teach you the rest. You always say how smart you are, that’s very questionable; only a very stupid or immature person calls as many names as you do, or tries to smart ass people. You haven’t even figured out: 1. No matter how tough or smart you are if everyone thinks you are an ass, you are. 2. They will get you in the end.
                  Hi Okie, my brother was Born in Fort Sill

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                • Grippentrog says:

                  Eisen. You are a 28 year old sailor, bush pilot, financial wizzard, wealthy, student, and now a plumber. Wow are you full of shit.

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            • What a total negative ass! Its all about you !you’re like Obama,its everybody else’s fault. Go find a boulder to crawl under and talk to yourself,nobody hear that I can see have any interest in your self delusion.

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            • Grasshopper says:

              Eisen, your ignorance is disgusting! to blame ONE generation for all your woes is stupid! I’m not responsible for your problems and to blame me (or my generation) just shows how STUPID you are! WITH THIS ABSURD PREMISE OF YOURS, THEN YOU –YES, YOU!– ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEXT GENERATIONS’ PROBLEMS… NOT US, JUST YOU! IT’S ALL ON YOUR–EISEN’S– SHOULDERS. NOW, GO F– YOURSELF!

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              • Anonymous says:

                Who spent the money? Actually, you ARE responsible. What kind of nonsense are you telling me? Whose fault would it be? Ignorance of what? You are going to have to pay for the debt you created. Cyprus made that clear.

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          • RandomTangent1957 says:

            @ SmokinOkie : as usual you are spot on! I have some friends in their mid 80′s that could teach us all a thing or two !

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        • Paranoid says:

          If all true wealth is peace of mind and all that. Why are you so mad at the boomers, all we took was your money SUCKER, I’m a baby boomer and you can KMA. I hope to see you slaving away in poverty for years. Because I invested your money in silver, and will leave to to your betters. Ta Ta

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          • OutWest says:

            C’mon guys
            You’re being baited by the troll again!
            If it looks like an ass, walks like an ass,
            and brays like an ass, it’s probably Eisen.

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    9. C Howard Fields says:

      Ben Dover
      There will be no end …
      C Howard Fields

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    10. revelationspain says:

      Fucking Bastards! Nothing else need be said.
      No white flags only empty shells RP

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    11. 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:

      and this is how the “crunch” begins

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    12. pale rider says:

      How to use iodine to sterilize water. Put 4-8 grams of iodine crystals in a
      1 oz. glass jar (must have glass or bakelite stopper otherwise the iodine will
      react with the plastic or metal stopper and destroy it.) Actually 0.1 gram is
      adequate for the job, but using a larger amount of iodine creates a saturated
      solution much quicker.
      Put in 1 oz. (1 tablespoon or 3 teaspoons) of water (at least room
      temperature, body temperature prefered).
      Close stopper and shake for several minutes. You now have a saturated
      solution. A saturated solution is when as much solid has disolved in a liquid
      as it can.
      Carefully pour off 10ml (10cc, 2 teaspoons) of the saturated solution.
      REMEMBER, the iodine crystals are VERY TOXIC! The reason that adding more
      water than needed is suggested is so that you need not tip the bottle over too
      far thus spilling some crytals.
      Add the 10ml (2 teaspoons) of saturated solution to 1 liter (1.06 quart) of
      water.
      Let stand at least 15 minutes at 77 degrees F. or higher. Make sure all
      of the interior surface including lid get treated.

      How to use ionic iodine to counter radioactive iodine contamination.
      KI (potassium Iodide) (reagent grade is best)
      one pound of KI = 3,500 doses = treatment for 35 adults or children for 100
      days.
      Purchase crystalline or granular KI (reagent grade).
      Fill a glass jar 60% full of KI (2 oz. of KI in a 2 0z. bottle *dark glass*)
      Fill with water (90%)
      Shake for two minutes.
      Some of the KI should remain undissoloved (proof of saturated solution!)
      1 drop of saturated solution = 28 to 36 mg. of KI
      130 mg KI per day (4 drops) for Adults (FDA recommended daily dose), 65 mg
      per day (2 drops) for infants under 1 year.
      Radioactive iodine has a 8 day halflife, so 80 days = .1% (1/1,000)
      Period of dosage, start dosage beginning of first warning of a radioactive
      iodine release from nuclear reactor accident or nuclear bomb detonation,
      continue until at least 10 days beyond most recent release of radioactive
      Iodine 131 is recommended minimum, 100 days would be the most conservative
      method of treatment. Having only doses for a day or two is VASTLY better than
      none at all.

      NOMI____KTLTW
      PR

      

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      • sixpack says:

        True, but here in oregon, we can’t buy crystalline or granular KI (reagent grade) iodine anymore. They tried to stem their own meth war by making it a controlled substance.

        I think they knew what they were doing and the original reason was a hoax.

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      • Grasshopper says:

        Ummm… no thanks, Pale rider (glad I didn’t buy any iodine!)… I’ll just boil my water for 10 minutes and run it over activated charcoal. Hmm… now where the heck do I get the activated charcoal (gets rid of heavy metals like lead, mercury or whatever).

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    13. Springer says:

      Thank goodness a ban run or holliday is not possible here in the US… here we have, “Intitlement Reform Measures” which are really quite harmless… (sarc/on)

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      • Johnny Creb says:

        Entitlement.
        You know, like old age pension: you pay a portion of your PAYCHECK, that you WORKED for into it for 20-30-40 YEARS, and then you are ENTITLED to a pension.
        Or say, in my country… Medicare: you pay $78-$162 PER MONTH into it from your PAYCHECK, that you WORK for, then when you’re sick, you go to the clinic, or hospital. Because you are ENTITLED to healthcare.
        Welfare is something altogether different. Don’t let the talking heads on the teevee confuse you.
        Welfare is a system most modern or progressive countries have in place so that a citizen can remain housed and fed in the event that they cannot or do not work. It’s generally not enough for one to live off of, providing impetus to go to work.
        Out of every $100 tax dollars in my country, about .39 cents goes towards Welfare.
        Good day

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        • We were lied to JC. We thought it was money we were working for but it is just a debt instrument known as the Federal Reserve Note. The Fed giveth you paper and taketh your labor and wealth. Hang some bankers.

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          • Grasshopper says:

            About hanging bankers… I kept wondering why no one in Greece or Spain did that to the political elite once they found out they were in cahoots with the banksters… Old Pompidoo or whatever the guys name was (leader of Greece) sold out his country for a few million dollars… why didn’t anyone assassinate him.. never could figure it out. Then dawned on me: the citizens over there are disarmed aren’t they? that’s why they are being crushed by their own government; they’ve been lied to, robbed, and do nothing about it.. because they CAN’T. They have NO WEAPONS. Only the elite have weapons.

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        • I think the average SS recepient breaks even on contributions in less than five years. You didn’t pay nearly enough into Medicare to cover your medical care either. None of us did (unless we die early). I think a large portion of lifetime medical expense is typically incurred in the last six months of life. The people who dreamed up these programs would probably be surprised the programs have lasted THIS long.

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    14. Its Not Me says:

      If your county or state has a “gun buy back” program

      take them the biggest POS you can find..

      like a rusty old Black powder rifle..usually all they ask is if its a functioning firearm..well if the trigger slams the flint lock or hammer it functions..take it to them and get your money, than spend it on ..buying ammo (if you can find it) or a newer gun…lol F-em

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      • Springer says:

        Easy on BP, there INM… there deadly as heck, with NBC…(not the news ch)

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      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t give ‘em that flinter ! With the primer famine in full swing, it may be the only gun you will be able to fire pretty soon!

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      • Facebook Page says:

        I am in AZ right now. And was doing my thing that took into a small hardware store in a nice little town. Way Out. Bought what I needed and looked down and he had fell cabinet of ammo…. Lots of 22 357 9 45 308 3006 300 name it. When I left he had none. Hadn’t heard about prices going up. He did say the big cash sale would help. That felt good but I couldn’t believe what I got at many year ago prices.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          He won’t be able to replace that ammo at any price. Local folks who need some won’t be able to get it from him. Did you really need it?

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          • Facebook Page says:

            Locals were not buying. Much of the 22 was 2005 stock. All of the boxes had layer of dirt and the tape was dry out on the case still in cardborard. He needed the cash and no was bringing him any. Guy next to me actually asked me why would anyone buy that much ammo. I started talking and his eyes glazed over.

            No i didnt need it i will keep some and 5 times my money on the 22lr alone.

            7.62 x39. 2.99 a box. Cases of it.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Preppers, patriots, and veterans should move to Arizona. WE have guns, ammo, and metal money.:-)

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          • Facebook Page says:

            But the border problems will be the worst here. And for the most part it is and aging population in the nice places and the homeless in the desert is starting to grow like crazy . Many family groups setting up long term camps on the roads out to the mines.

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          • yourmotherwaswrong says:

            Arizona is a rabid Police State! I left in 2010 because of it.

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          • SD Mule says:

            DK,

            You forgot to add:
            “and a boatload of illegal mexicans!!!”

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            • durango kidd says:

              SDMule: Actually most of the illegals (more than 300,000) have left the State for greener pastures in California, Washington, and Oregon.

              They don’t stay in Arizona any longer than they have too, or until they can catch a ride to Chicago and parts northeast via the Catholic Church under ground railroad.

              Don’t worry WE can round up the strays. As far as the “kidnapping” is concerned, and the rest of the crime for that matter; its primarily Latino on Latino.

              No crime in my neighborhood. :-)

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          • Jasmine says:

            @DK,
            Yes, AZ, the state that gave us Gabby Giffords, Janet Napolitono, and John McCain, has the city with one of the highest kidnap crime records, Phoenix. The one and only good thing in AZ is Sherriff Joe, period, end of discussion.

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              • John W. says:

                Guess you did not like the baloney sandwiches and pink underware. It is just a matter of a few years before all the Southwest is taken by Mexico.

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            • durango kidd says:

              The legal framework that I mentioned in my original post could be beneficial to preppers, patriots, and veterans to reinforce Constitutional values that are, by and large, still sacred to the population here, if not local Democrats.

              Come to a conservative State and be a Conservative.

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              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                Hey DK…

                Surely you must be aware of the fact that there are plenty of “patriots” in AZ who love licking government boots just as much as a Flagstaff “liberal” does.

                Both the Right and the Left in AZ love their Government.

                Being a patriot, I bet you would swap spit with Clarence Dupnik if no one was lookin.

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              • Tupak says:

                Of course, come to where there is little water.

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          • Feisty Old Broad says:

            Oddly, I received a package in the mail this past week from the folks in Texas….huge catalog, map etc…..UNSOLICITED by me. Don’t know how or why my name was on their list of recipients???
            fob

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            • the cooking mom says:

              It’s a “sign “!!!
              Come to Texas!!

              Keep. Preppin’

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              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                F-that Cooking Mom.

                Texas is worse than Arizona.

                Austin is a NWO/UN hub.

                G W Bush is still on the loose and allowed to roam free(without charges).

                And then you have the flaming Facist Rick Perry as Gov.

                Gee…I wish I was in TexAss!

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              • John W. says:

                Texas days are numbered. It will be just like California in ten years. The whole state will be just like Austin. Twenty five years ago calif was like Texas is today. Just wait for the next amnesty to make things right.

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      • Facebook Page says:

        You guys and girls suck there to wishing all to be loss to the people who just wanted to save a few dollars. You all can be dickheads even more than normal.

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        • sixpack says:

          no, just one or two of us here.

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        • Paranoid says:

          Face; quit kidding, Eisen couldn’t be a bigger dickhead if he tried. And I think he does anyway.

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      • Eisen what we don’t need is you. By the way, you ‘ll be one of the first to go down just because you’re intolerant and a total ass. nobody will mourn.

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      • I hear Russians like to shoot people in the face so they see who did it. Permanent disfiguration seems to be popular also, so you can tell your friends.

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      • Johnny Creb says:

        Am I missing something here?
        Last I checked gold was over $1600.

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        • Rick:) says:

          The manipulated “paper price”, daily reported as the Price of Gold.

          It has been in the mid-high $1500′s for a couple months.

          You’re correct, you can’t “buy” physical at that “price”.

          Notice all the “quotation” marks? Because EVERYTHING about the “price” of gold is a manipulated fiction, at our level. Get all you can at this “price”. It’s like Facebook going into that hardware store and buying ammo at 2005 prices.
          Wish I had more FRN’s to spare.

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      • Eisenkreuz says:

        The central banks have assassinated several presidents. The mafia isn’t going to do anything but be thankful they didn’t get ripped off for more.

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    18. pale rider says:

      Depending on where you are and which of these are locally grown,
      here’s a breakdown of fruits/veggies with more than 20% vitamin C:

      Fruits % Vitamin C

      ————————

      Apricot 20 %
      Blackberries 50 %
      Cantaloupe 80 %
      Carrabolla 30 %
      Gooseberries 60 %
      Grapefruit 110 %
      Grapes 25 %
      Honeydew Melon 45 %
      Kiwifruit 240 %
      Lemon 40 %
      Lime 35 %
      Orange 130 %
      Papaya 150 %
      Pineapple 25 %
      Plum 20 %
      Prickly pear 25 %
      Pummelo 130 %
      Raspberries 40 %
      Strawberries 160 %
      Tangerine 50 %
      Watermelon 25 %

      ————————-

      Vegetables % Vitamin C

      ————————-
      Bell Pepper 190 %
      Broccoli 220 %
      Brussels Sprouts 120 %
      Cabbage (green) 70 %
      Cauliflower 100 %
      Collards 30 %
      Green cauliflower 90 %
      Hot chili peppers 170 %
      Mustard Greens 100 %
      Okra 20 %
      Onion 20 %
      Potato 45 %
      Radishes 30 %
      Red Cabbage 70 %
      Rutabagas 90 %
      Spinach 25 %
      Summer Squash 30 %
      Sweet Potato 30 %
      Tomato 40 %
      Yellow Snap Beans 20 %

      NOMI_____MOLON LABE_____KTLTW
      PR

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      • durango kidd says:

        Broccoli also contains high levels of SULPHANE, an extremely powerful antioxident. A bag a day keeps cancer away.

        What is also important to know is that these fruits and veggies also have other beneficial substances that provide antioxidents unique to their particular character. Colors are important. Greens for example have chloryphell. Yellows, blues, and red other benefits.

        Don’t forget the coffee, tea (black and green), and supplements like milk thistle, olive leaf, spirulina, restravol, and flax or chia seed extract.

        Its ALL good!

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      • Johnny Creb says:

        God. I can’t stand rutabagas

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      • kimintn says:

        rosehips, too. make it into tea.

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      • Jenn says:

        @ pale rider: many thanks for sharing your wisdom!

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      • Plum Tuckered Out says:

        Thanks PR. Another great source of vitamin C is pine needle tea – and it’s delicious. It should be easy for many of us to find when SHTF.

        http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/3126/

        I don’t post here often, but I have to say, I LOVE all the info I get here. And it’s a safe place for me to “rest” when the world is scaring the heck out of me. And WOW, I’m not ashamed to admit – I’m scared.

        Thank you ALL for the tips and ideas.

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    19. JustOneGuy says:

      Yep,

      The playbook is always the same for desperate goverments isn’t it?

      I wonder how long it will be until something similar begins to occur here…

      JOG

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      • Gods Creation says:

        Already has. Have you tried to withdraw a large amount of money lately. Withdraw from an IRA.

        The gun has been pointed, they have not yet pulled the trigger because it would startle the sheep into action…and the gun owners too.

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        • Facebook Page says:

          I have made some large withdraws lately and have not had any unexpected delays.

          Most of my best producing stuff had a 25k limit every 7 days without prior notice and then I just wait 7 days. Paid for the transfer and 24 hr later. Everyone check the withdrawal rules from when you sign up. There a reason delays in some 401/ira investment account that are actually there for your protection.

          But I have noticed that my personal bank has step up making sure that the cash transaction reports are fill completely out when I need cash. That is new. Always had to do them but the girls always just knew what to put down. Now even my favorite teller go though the questions.

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          • HisArmsWide says:

            Only issues I’ve had over the last 4 months of siphoning out my accounts is asking for a lot of small bills. When I wanted 8k in 20′s it required a 24 hour notice for them to transfer that many to my local branch from the main branch. Other than I’ve had no issues with pulling money out. That was the biggest transaction and done recently as I’ve been growing more and more concerned about something exactly like this. Unfortunately we’re late to the party, just getting started mid last year so I’ve had to accelerate things at times faster than I’d like.

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        • Anonymous says:

          You mean a REALLY large amount like $4K ? (LOL) My wife did that and the teller went to talk with some of the branch’s top brass. One would have thought she was trying to withdraw $1MM.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            That was because it was over the young tellers limits. Oh was she delayed 10 minutes while they got it out of the vault tellers secure cart.

            And most branches do not keep that much cash on hand….. My bank I have a standing order every week. But if I come needing an extra 5 to 10K. Sometimes they can’t do it right away.

            I made a transfer of 3/4 of a million a few weeks back and it was misplaced in transfer account for a few day. Now that did cause so stress.

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            • Johnny Creb says:

              Yeah, I just withdrew $250k today. Teller didn’t bat an eye.
              Then I came home and jumped on the forum here, because I’m rich.

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              • Mountain Trekker says:

                You know us really wealthy people, don’t deal in cash, we just use numbers. Trekker Out

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              • don't tread says:

                Yea I did the same; withdrew a half a mill., pulled it right out of my ass in large bills linked together like sausages.

                LOL. If I had that kind of funds, it sure as hell wouldn’t be in a bank. I would have it invested in my future, and others. The biggest ministry and building anyone has ever seen in these parts. Our congregation would hear truth and not some man’s traditions that make void the word of God. We would have a retreat with hundreds of acres, and outdoor shooting ranges, and activities that appealed to everyone. Our fellowship meetings would rival the best family reunions of days past. Our baptisms would take place in cool stream pools of water, that would kinda take your breath at first. Not some indoor heated pool. When you get baptised with the blood, it needs to be in an evironment that stays with you for life. Just sayin’.

                Money doesn’t buy happiness and salvation, but it sure helps the journey along.

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            • I’ll be back……OK…I got my boots on now.

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Sooner than you may think – there’s Dems that have been proposing confiscation of IRAs and 401k accounts for two or three years running now. It happened in Argentina.

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    20. High Noon says:

      Cyprus is about the size of a postage stamp on your living room floor. We will see if it is contagious to other EU counties. Pay attention, this idea could come here.

      “IT IS REALLY A PAY ATTENTION STORY”

      GOVERNMENTS ARE DESPERATE FOR MONEY

      Stay Brave

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    21. The realist says:

      If you really think about it..We own absolutely nothing.. The Banks own it all.. And the Government owns us all!!

      Even if you own your home and don’t have a mortgage .. Just refuse to pay the property taxes..You’ll find out that you really don’t own that house.. And will be ousted from it when the Govt sells it for the past taxes!

      We can all keep commenting on how we can prep and beat the system IF and When the SHTF..

      I’m really Not Convinced its going to.. Why?

      Do you really think Big Govt and the banking Elite want to let the dollar collapse and the world as we know it just collapse? I don’t think so!

      We, As the dumb asses that we are are their best asset…we all make a contribution to them every day of our lives.. Just by waking up.. We go to work.. Make $ .. To pay our bills.. That Mostly go .. To pay the bills.. banks and governmental taxes ..

      Again.. We own nothing and they own us all..

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    22. Eisenkreuz says:

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    23. Deposit insurance has just been shown to be worthless.
      Gold and silver bashers take note.

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      • Eisenkreuz says:

        You’re missing the point. You need to have cash IN HAND during the collapse. Nobody is set up to barter with gold and silver. That’s foolish. PMs are to maintain the wealth of the rich. Only. Focus on your preps. You can’t eat gold.

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        • Facebook Page says:

          Ok you all came up with another good one. Whoever was in control earlier was being a dick.

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        • Mr. Eisenfreuz, I have been posting for a short time and have read your posts. I am also one of the old people you often mock. Your corrections are sometimes interesting and I actually enjoy them. (not the spelling or the punctuation corrections). My point is, you sound like a bright person and seem to have a grasp of a wide number of facts.
          I would be interested in your ideas and I believe you would be taken seriously if you quit trying to anger people. You make wide slaps at older people, police officers, most laws etc. You could make the same points without trying to make people dislike you. You often write one line statements that are intended to throw blood in the water and it works.
          I believe you are actually a decent person. As I said, I think you have a good mind and you should be included. ( not down voted regardless what you say). If you really believe in helping, try saying your ideas in less harsh ways. You have marginalized yourself to the point of not being considered.
          Hope you consider what I have said. Either way, hope you are well and I look forward to reading your comments.

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            • Hello. I did not ask for or deserve your comment. My generation made mistakes and also did great things. Your generation? I am sure you will say that the average 30 year old male is still living at home ( with my generation) is in fact the fault of my generation. No doubt you have been made fun of for prepping. I think we all have. If old folks gave you a hard time, it wasn’t the people here.
              As far as “go along to get along”, have you read the other posts? Few have the theme of conforming. I would characterize them as the opposite of what you said. As far as pounding sand, I don’t know why you feel the need. Of you do believe what you say then help rather than belittle.
              The point of my original post was you can add to the discussion or disagree. You could do both in an intelligent way and actually change minds. No one considers what you say because of your taunts. No need to pound sand with us. We are not stupid and we get the idea. Not to say everyone understands everything. That’s where you could add thoughts. I am not mad, I just think you are bright and would like you to join conversations with less condemnation.

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          • don't tread says:

            Easy on the Mr., Mr.

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          • John W. says:

            He is a worthless dickhead. Being nice to him is taken as a sign of weakness. He deserves every insult he gets. He is living testimony to the result of using cheap condoms.

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        • The point I was making was that deposit insurance doesn’t insure anything when it can be circumvented by the “authorties”.
          Barter can occur very quickly, all it takes is two parties agreeing to an exchange.
          It happens every day in school lunchrooms.
          Nothing foolish about it.
          Of course you can’t eat gold, nor can you eat gasoline or ammunition.
          However, gold and silver are excellent forms of portable wealth that have saved the purchasing power of people in general, not just the rich.
          The gold or silver coin doesn’t distinguish between rich or poor, it simply serves as a store of value.

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    24. clyde says:

      Most of the big depositors in Cyprus are Russian “businessmen”. Might not sit too well with them to just take 10 % of their money. I wonder how the Cypriot president feels getting of the plane from Brussels, knowing he just stole billions of euros of the Russian mobs money. I bet we haven’t heard the last of this by a long shot.

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      • Journalist says:

        Clyde,
        Is it really the President who stole it or the international banking system? Presidents are generally controlled by the latter and don’t have much real power.

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    25. SidDavis says:

      I don’t get it that government should have priority over citizens. Things go to crap, because of what governments have done, and governments then uses power to take what they wants, leaving the average person bent over holding his ankles. And still most of the citizenry thinks the government is going to save them, or that we must have government to rule our lives. The reality is that those who control the government, politicians and those who pull their strings, are the ones that are trying to save themselves, and don’t care diddly squat what happens to the rest of us. You might say they are the original survivalists.

      Instead of trying to help people by taking less of their wealth, government increases taxes and takes more. Look at what Obama and the rest of the crooks in Washington, DC did; they raised taxes and kept on helping out those who pay big time political contributions.

      How stupid can such a huge block of the public be? People complain, and then send back the same crooks term after term to do more of the same-o-same-o.

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      • MayBeSo says:

        @ SidDavis,

        …GAME..

        …SET…

        …MATCH…

        On the NOSE!

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      • you're in dreamland says:

        It’s been like that throughout history. Nowadays we call a nation’s leader a president, premier, or prime minister, but they still like to execute the same royal prerogatives as kings, emperors, and pharaohs. The royals piss away all their money (that they took from you in the first place by calling it a tax or a levy) in expensive wars or massive ego monuments, so they come back to the people to get more. To a nation’s leader, his subjects are a cash machine. It’s always been like that and always will be. Best not to be at home when the royal tax collector comes a-callin’. ;)

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    26. Got nuthin in their banks fer em to steal :)

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      • Facebook Page says:

        Tonight you can just fuck off. Give it a rest. Let have a night of fun. Someone needs to overload the power unit in your shit computer.

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      • Johnny Creb says:

        Yeah, lets go back to living in the stone ages!!!
        Or if that sounds a bit harsh, Wild West !
        Somalia, anyone?
        Yes, how dare the average citizen want things like healthcare and social security for their tax payments and pay deductions!
        Paying into an old age pension for 30 years and then expecting your government to ‘pay your way’ when you’re too old to work anymore?
        Don’t you people know it’s the 21st century, and we should all be living like John Rambo?
        No government. Just pay me whatever you think is fair for my goods, services , or work, and let my buy my guns and cheap ammo and gas, and I’ll govern myself.
        Durrrrrrrr…

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          I want my flyin g car they promused me

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        • Rick:) says:

          I simply would like a system that;

          1) Doesn’t subsidise the most unproductive among us.

          2)Politician is not a career.

          3)If we must have a miltary, EVERYBODY, no exceptions, is required to serve in some capacity, for a period of time. EVERYBODY.

          4)Our “retirement” plan is not a Ponzi sceme.

          5)NBA,NFL,MLB,NHL players are not the the most valued and highest paid examples to our society.

          Oh well, you get my point. Some of us only see the chance to get closer to our vision of Nirvana through a complete breakdown and destruction of the status quo.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          I could go for wild west,

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          • BigB says:

            I could go wild west. It’s just that the furniture was not real comfortable. Beds with rope webbing as support? Couche’s/Sofa’s/divan’s (whatever you call them depending on where you live) only had like an inch of padding. No recliners? No wonder people died younger back then.

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      • Legion7 says:

        EK is right. Watching the news here about a bunch of SEIU flackeys protesting that their medical insurance costs are going up by nearly double and they will have to pay what the rest of us do. Sorry union jagrods! You voted in the people that voted for 0bamacare. Now you’re upset because you are getting reamed too?! I have seen the “recommended voting list” that tells these idiots who to vote for (all lib dems, of course). My wife and I both bust our humps and pay 1700 a month in childcare. I don’t take handouts, but I watch all those that do. I’m laughing right next EK on this one.

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      • John W. says:

        If they have a worthless asshole tax you better be worried.

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    28. Eagle eye says:

      Lets test this somewhere small first and hope no-one notices…….

      I’d call that a fail.

      I’m off to chat to the minister for finance about how much money we keep in our bank account. It is about to drop dramatically.

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    29. hyperinflation by 2014 John Williams says:

      http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE/

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSreavGR4vE

      “OPEN ENDED QUANTITATIVE EASING”…. good buy dollar.
      Hello Weimar Germany style inflation.

      This is why Obama signed the NDAA..lock your ass up forever bill.
      Why the TSA and DHS stock up on ammo….
      and why Fema placed massive emergency supply orders.
      Lindsey Williams also mentioned his connections are speaking of what’s coming.

      Bad times are coming.
      The most secure people on the planet are the Hillbillies in my opinion.
      They live deep in the country…can hunt game, garden, have well water and their trailers are paid for.

      The best thing you can do is prep up mentally and know that times are changing.

      Obama…the last president of the United States as you knew it.

      Funny thought….and you know I’m joking here…. Never starve…too many boomers to eat. ha

      Really…I keep cases of bird shot and feed the wild life.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Howdy ’2012…John’,

        Funny you mention that…

        ……see “Man on the Inside” posted below,

        Cheers

        JOG

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      • PenCRNA says:

        Okay, I’ve tried to keep up with all that goes on, but I’m feeling stupid right now. What is the NDAA?

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      • you're in dreamland says:

        The NDAA everyone refers to here stands for the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. This act is a standard act that Congress votes on every year to authorize military spending, etc. NDAA 2012 was signed in the wee hours on New Year’s Eve because it included a shocking clause that Obummer didn’t want to get around: the right to incarcerate US citizens suspected of terrorism without a trial and without any legal representation whatsoever indefinitely by the military. In other words, NDAA 2012 violated the Constitutional rights to a speedy trial by a jury of one’s peers. And if you want to know who the DHS considers to be a terrorist, all preppers are on the list, as is probably anybody who posts on this site. So theoretically (for now, hah) we could all be held by the military indefinitely for daring to store food, distrusting the current regime, and even for possessing what the DHS documents call a “night flashlight”.

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      • bugfy says:

        What’s a boomer mother? Anyway, sounds like you should just shoot her and collect her money. Why mess around? It’s what you’re really getting at, isn’t it?

        Worthless whelp bitchin about them boomers again. Your generation ain’t showed me shit boy!

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      • @new jersey….I pity you for all the hatred you hold in your heart….all for the sake of money. I imagine there are two sides to yours/your mothers story(s)….and YOU have taught your children to hate as well…..

        May God Help US All….
        fob

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        • PS….You have 3 degrees (who paid for them?) and “a working wife” and yet you are “scraping” by? I cannot believe you would wish for all to collapse just to
          “get even” with your mother….eh, doesn’t matter at all to you how that would affect millions of other people? What a selfish,greedy, and vindictive lil boy you are…..
          fob

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          Using that 187 gangster rap crap tonight.

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          • Feisty Old Broad says:

            Sad to say this, but the enemy is within the gates….poised and ready. There are so many consumed with hatred and ignorance ……Only Faith and ‘Guts’ will see US through the trials to come….I will be of what use I CAN be, for as long as I WILL be…..it will take extreme focus to be able to defend this Republic from the ‘enemy within’…..brother against brother ring any bells? I have said it before and will say it again…this will be a battle to the death – good against evil….and True Leaders need to rise to the occasion NOW
            just my humble opinion
            Be Well in Body and Spirit, Be Aware, Be Ready

            And, above ALL, keep LOVE within your heart…
            fob

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      • You should educate yourself about the FRN, inflation, compound usury and currency debasement. You can use the internet or maybe read “The Creature From Jekyll Island”. Even if your mother’s wealth was in gold or silver and actually worth something, why do you suppose you deserve it? Envy and wrath are but two of the seven deadly sins.

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      • Not so Much says:

        “She never shared a nickel …. We were not looking for a hand out”

        And yet your post is dripping with all the greed, envy and whining of someone that believes you deserve HER money.

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    31. Going Ghetto... says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVujX246oZk

      Coolio… enjoy the words to “all I had for dinner was a can of corn”

      The bankers made us all poor.

      I hope it all collapses.
      HA….THAT’S WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE GUNS…. IT WILL SURE BE A PARTY WHEN IT ALL COLLAPSES. BE REAL…BE READY.

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    32. mallardhen says:

      I have a question??? If ir really goes down and the banks close and all else inplodes; I am not asking how, but who do you pay your bills to such as mortgage, credit card, utilities, etc. to????????????

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      • @mallardhead….I have no clue what/how/when ANYTHING will happen, but I think the least of our concerns will be paying our normal, regular bills. I think all will be shut down for who-knows-how-long….?
        fob

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        • Yeah it’ll be the newest dance craze called, “The Eisenkook Scoot”.

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      • Facebook Page says:

        Someone will always buy up the credit paper for pennies on the dollar. And will find you for the payments.

        Write the check and send it to the last address if they don’t withdrawal it from your funds leave it. Then deal with the new paper owner later.

        Utilities go pay in cash at the office.

        Credit cards screw them. Unless you are in a recourse state.

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          NOT when EVERYONE is Armed…and WAITING…hehehehe

          Sorry FBP, but this time I couldn’t resist Bro…that
          ineffable faith you keep demonstrating in the system WILL get you killed….I’d RATHER not see that frankly…

          Stay Strong dude, you’re gonna need it…sooooon.

          JOG

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          • Facebook Page says:

            I have no faith in the system. But human that in the end will see the value of those paper debts will have guns too. Might just be your fucking neighor thsat bought the paper on your farm when they actuioned off a local banks assets. And he just wait til the right moment

            These paper holder will not care they will just sit back and sweep in. I have made so much fucking money buying paper it is insane. That why i go to az and vegas to waste it away

            Hard assets only. Owe no one.,.. Remember a note and a deed of trust is the same if not better on owning the land and the equipment on it.,

            The system will fuck you. But remember unless the flesh neating zombies save use there will still be a man or woman standing there with the note to hard asset coming to g. et there profits. And they will have guns and lots of people to help.,

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          • Facebook Page says:

            And remember neightors dont interfere when its not there land on the line. And having the the old man next door showing up with a shotgun aint going to make bit of difference

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            • Eagle eye says:

              facebook page, come up my driveway with your shitty little attitude and you WILL leave as devil shit. Those little suckers can clean up a full grown cow carcass over night. An asshole like you should be morning smoko for them.

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              • Facebook Page says:

                Buy they get to the ones that will resist they will have the breach tactic down..

                I not referring to the current system. I talking about the bank we create later under gold. They will still want their value from the deeds and notes. What everyone is just going to forgive and forget what they are owed.

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      • MayBeSo says:

        @ mallardhen,

        Ummm, if it all ‘implodes’ there will be

        No Taxes,

        No Bankers

        No Bills

        No Gooberment

        What’s the problem…looks GOOD to me?!

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        • sixpack says:

          As long as there is a database of Accounts Payable/Accounts Receivable, there will be SOMEBODY around to collect on it, you can bet your ass on that. It might be weeks, months or even years, but SOMEBODY will be at your door with their newly updated hand out.

          The only way there won’t be a mass asset grab after the collapse, is if someone kills off all of the bankers before they can recover their books…then destroyed the records.

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          • Not so Much says:

            And yet you’ve proclaimed boldly how many times above that you want it to collapse? AND you claim to be libertarian..

            “You don’t understand anything”. You are a certified nutbag.

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