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    Cold Hard Facts On Gun Bans: “The Cost Of Liberty Can Be Measured In the Loss of Life”

    Mac Slavo
    August 3rd, 2012
    SHTFplan.com
    Comments (413)
    Read by 31,534 people

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    While anti-gun advocates put forth every argument under the sun for why you should not be able to own a “high capacity” magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, or that you shouldn’t be able to buy ammunition online, or that police should stop going to work until guns have been completely banned, the evidence for disarmament of law abiding citizens as a failed policy is overwhelming.

    In Chicago, where guns have essentially been banned for personal defense, the murder of innocents has risen so sharply in recent months that Mayor Rahm Emanual has been left with no other option but to call on criminals to look to their morals and values to stop the carnage. Washington D.C., which bans the carrying of concealed weapons, has maintained one of the highest gun crime murder rates in the country for over three decades – since the legislation was passed in 1975. As the Washington Post notes, the disarming of local residents has been wholly ineffective noting that the “guns kept coming, and bodies kept falling.”

    These localized examples of the detrimental effects of restrictive gun policies are nothing, however, when compared to what’s happened in Australia, where the government implemented a “buy back” program in 1997 that completely banned gun ownership for the general population. While Australia’s politician promised a lower crime rate once the ban was in place, the disarming of its citizens has led to exactly the opposite effect.

    A right stolen by their government, promising safety in return for its gun ban. But now citizens know the frightening truth. The cost of lost liberty can be measured in the loss of life.

    “It’s become very, very obvious… that the expenditure of half a billion dollars has done absolutely nothing to reduce crime.”

    It certainly didn’t do what the government touted it would do, which was to reduce crime. It hasn’t done that at all. In fact, there has been more.”

    “What’s happening today is that the offender, the bad buys, are happy to break into somebody’s house. They’re not frightened to break into somebody’s house while they’re at home.”

    “It’s very bad at the moment. It’s never been worse.

    Here are the cold hard facts from Australia that anti-gun forces can no longer escape:

    Armed Robberies are UP 69%

    Assaults Involving Guns are UP 28%

    Gun Murders are UP 19%

    Home Invasions – a crime for which Australia didn’t even have laws before the gun ban because it never happened – are UP 21%

    Like Chicago and Washington D.C., Australia’s gun laws have back fired. The statistics above are rarely if ever reported by mainline news channels in America because the evidence is clear: If you take away guns from law abiding citizens, the only people with guns will be the criminals.

    Not only is the evidence regularly buried, but harrowing stories of self defense where individuals have taken it upon themselves to protect their lives and property are often downplayed. When a 65 year old jewelry shop owner took matters into her own hands and opened fire on five gun-toting armed robbers recently, what did the local CBS affiliate mention repeatedly in their report?

    “As much as those cops like seeing bad guys having the tables turned on them, they still caution everybody that down-range, beyond the target, there’s often an innocent bystander.”

    Video via The Daily Sheeple:

    There is always a risk of an innocent bystander being hit by a rogue bullet, but not one example of such an outcome is ever identified by news reporters citing such information. More often than not, it’s the criminals who shoot indiscriminately that maim or kill a child or other innocent passer-by.

    Explaining to the anti-gun activists that the benefits far outweigh the risks is like pulling teeth. But, as the 65 year old jewelry store owner, or the patron of an internet cafe, or the mom who acted to save her kids by shooting an armed intruder show, one person with a gun is all it takes to prevent scores of others from being hurt or killed.

    We can continue down this road of stripping Americans of their liberty and right to defend themselves, and we can be assured that we’ll continue to measure the subsequent fallout by counting it in the loss of innocent life. Or, we can put the power back into the hands of the people and send a message to those who would do harm to others. In Australia, criminals are more empowered than ever before when they see statistics like armed robberies being up 69% or murders being up 21%, because they know the people have no ability to defend themselves.

    But what if the statistics reported by the media were more like those of Detroit, where self defense killings have jumped 2200% and justifiable homicide is up 79% year-over-year?

    If local and national news agencies were reporting that crime was falling and more would-be criminals were ending up taking celestial dirt naps when engaged in violent criminal activity, the psychological effects of being aware of these statistics would be a very powerful deterrent indeed.

    The American people are perfectly capable of defending themselves, they need only to have the boot removed from their throats and be allowed to breathe.

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    1. Highspeedloafer says:

      Any American citizen who does not own a gun by now is out of his mind!!!

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      • KY Mom says:

        Great article!

        Banning private gun ownership hasn’t worked very well for the people in countries where it has been instituted … Nazi Germany, Russia and China.

        “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
        George Washington, 1790

        In contrast, Switzerland is armed and they have a very low crime rate.

        Maybe this is why Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world.
        (short Swiss video)
        (www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80848701/)

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        • KY Mom says:

          Direct links…

          Swiss video
          http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80848701/

          Holder 1995: We Must ‘Brainwash’ People Against Guns…
          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/18/Holder-Fight-Guns-Like-Cigarettes

          *Admin Edit – Video Embedded Into Comment*

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          • Arizona Fred says:

            Protect yourself and your family by producing your own power..
            I just purchased this unit for my family and its working beautifully.I also caged it and using several ground rods, COMPLETELY isolated it from ANY emp.
            Some here have laughed at me, but at least I have something for my family WHEN the lights go out.

            http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/ele/3144693928.html

            This runs a small fridge,a few lights, and a water pump on my guest house, making it COMPLETELY off the grid.

            Take a look I love this little unit, and best of all…ITS SILENT. No zombies following the sound of generators here…
            The producer has told me that these babies will soon be available right here on the SHTF site…I hope so

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          • John Q. Public says:

            10 Facts Revealing Conspiracy Behind Aurora Shooters
            http://rense.com/general95/auroraconspt.html

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        • Gods Creation says:

          The problem for the banksters in removing guns from the American People is that it requires such an obvious breach of the Law that it would startle the sheep into action. It would amount to a declaration that everyone is a slave without rights of self protection in Law.

          The financial crimes can now be done in the open, but an effort to take the guns away from the people as INDIVIDUALS will prove to be impossible and dangerous for those sold out deep enough to try.

          Perhaps about 25% would be jolted into reality, and all we really need is about a 5% participation rate to be unstoppable. The military might actually stand in the defense of such numbers and actually fight for freedom. Wouldn’t that be a change.

          But I am probably just dreaming….

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          • JustMe says:

            In Oregon, you’re not supposed to defend yourself, but “retreat”, and only defend yourself if you are cornered. And they still might lock you up…

            The people who want your firearms care nothing about your ability to defend yourself, they want you disarmed for the express purpose of enslaving you, with a side order of genocide in the end. History backs me up on that. But despite history, the parasites have millions of useful idiots who live in a fantasy world, and will work tirelessly to help disarm you.

            And when push comes to shove, don’t count on the military backing you up. They have already gone door to door in New Oreleans disarming people. Recall the 29 Palms Survey…

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          • 41MagMan says:

            @JustMe…

            Fortunately, the state of Washington does not require its citizens to retreat before an armed aggressor. This is one of the many reasons I left Oregon in 1971 and never returned. It’s not called “The People’s Republik of Oregon” for no reason, Comrade!

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        • anymice says:

          @kymom

          Speaking of China…

          Teenager Kills 8 , Wounds 5 in China Knife Attack

          http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/teenager-kills-wounds-china-knife-attack-16910569#.UBw6I2H8vyY

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        • Be informed says:

          @ KY Mom. The banning of gun ownership, it sure has worked well for the common dictator and their cronies.

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        • Gods Creation says:

          Switzerland is the home to the banksters. Of course they would have the right laws there. The banksters wouldn’t want to go to a place like Chicago, now would they.

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        • Brandon Gore says:

          Do your research before declaring safety in gun control. the most dangerous states in the US are those with gun laws. Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

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        • God & Guns says:

          Could you please cite where you found these statistics?

          “Armed Robberies are UP 69%
          Assaults Involving Guns are UP 28%
          Gun Murders are UP 19%
          Home Invasions – a crime for which Australia didn’t even have laws before the gun ban because it never happened – are UP 21%”

          I’m arguing with a friend who says we should ban all guns in the U.S. and won’t he doesn’t accept that your website is a credible source, and I really want to prove him wrong.

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      • michelle says:

        Absolutely correct!!

        And make sure you stock up on ammo too because a gun is no good without it!!

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      • freespeach says:

        You Got that right Highspeedloafer!!!

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      • JoeinNC says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ JoeinNC. Thank the constitution and the freedom left that you had that right to purchase and own a couple of guns. It is not just people you have to be worried about, it is rabid animals that are becoming a huge problem in the cities around the world. Without those freedoms we have, they would not even allow you to carry pepper spray to stop some vicous dog from tearing someone apart. “Freedom has a way of slipping through everyone’s fingers because enough people stop caring about it.”

          This is truly what it is about, defending yourself against someone or soemthing that will hurt you. Joe, try to imagine living in a place in which you cannot even carry a stun baton to stop a dog with rabies from biting you. There are 8 states that hate freedom that much here in the U.S.

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          • Gregory8 says:

            Be Informed: You are on the money, it’s the two-legged and four-legged rabid animals that one has to be prepared for. Virtually everything in nature has adapted means to protect itself and we are no different. As this economic situation continues to worsen we will see services cutback including police and fire. More and more cities and towns are doing this and it will be coming to everyone sooner or later. In Detroit it’s so bad that the cops won’t come for at least 24 hours unless there’s a dead body in the street. It’s going to be YOYO (You’re On Your Own) time for many of us in the months and years ahead. We will be responsible for our own protection and that can’t be done wothout some firearms-period.

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        • huh? says:

          Hola, which of the seven districts
          did you say you lived in?- Maybe we’ll
          run into one another @ Camp Fema :)

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        • SWIFT says:

          @JoeinNC,,,your post is one of those posts that make a claim, totally unsubstanciated by fact. I do not recall even one prepper proposing an agenda other than survival and protecting one’s family and property. If that kind of thinking is seen by you as a threat, you need to be institutionalized so that all news, commentary and conversation is censored, so as not to frighten you. You should be provided with reading material along the lines of “See Spot Run”. “See Spot Chase Puff”. No one will even scold you for sucking your thumb. A totally bland, sterile environment. Sound appealing?

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          Ohhh, get a grip son, you sound like you graduated from the school of Pelosi, Steinham and Gore. Preppers are the most mindful people I know. If your sorry butt makes it through the coming crisis, you can surley thank a prepper somewhere. Stop whining and join the true patriots in the real USA.

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          • AnonLegion says:

            to be a patriot you must act not just prep to survive. we must all ask ourselves now that we have the information now that we have the data now that we are awake and we see , What will you do with it? Is anyone starting up protests against the laws or are we watching others do it for us? we are buying food we will eat we are buying guns we will be protected. Those kids at the schools protests who got pepper sprayed by the cops THEY are the patriots. Occupy they are the patriots. They are voicing speaking out and acting. They are trying. We can not let them stand alone we must all work together. Or we will fail.

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        • loup garou says:

          worried about the “so called preppers”I don’t care what you call us but I know we were out of power and could’nt travel for two weeks because of ice storm,had a nice toasty fire in the wood stove,lights,and water were ran off solar power,fridge and freezers ran with generator and my .30 cal carbine took the head off a deer. sure did’nt need to scream for govt. assistance. worried about preppers you say? you need to learn from preppers and get out of your mamas basement fool!

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      • peteropolis says:

        The way I see it is… An American citizen who does not own a gun, is just a citizen

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      • SonOfSam says:

        hey there hispeed,
        I was happy to give you the 70th green thumb, and I concur with your opinion. Sad to say, but even the fact that dweeby little computer science instructors like yours truly feel compelled to arm themselves is just NOT penetrating the thick skulls of most people I know. Seriously, if anyone here had any idea how I present in day to day life, you’d probably be saying to yourself “Really? THAT guy is packing? Huh????” It should give one pause: when people such as myself are arming, what does that say about how bad things are becoming?

        But it is precisely because I am NOT Rambo that I have armed myself. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere, and its completely irrational to think otherwise. Its nice to think that they would catch the bad guys and put them in jail, but if they’re doing so after these same thugs have murdered me during a home invasion, well, that’s not as great a comfort as being able to defend myself, however imperfectly I might do that.

        stand strong until freedom dawns

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          SoS, you da man. My nephew is a middle school teacher and he has a ccw as well. In my opinion any half bright man would be armed now-adays. Every night on the local news we hear of 5-10 stories of car-jackings, robberies, home invasions, kidnappings and assaults. Just the other day a nice christian couple here in NC was murdered by another thug out for drug money. Thanks for the thumb.

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      • drillerman09 says:

        from my cold dead hand…..

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      • Morning all

        I hate to repeat my self but armed citizens are in my view a deterant against those who would otherwise attack them.

        If I am out and about an attacker knows that the chance of me being armed is so remote it is not worth worrying about.

        If arms were allowed here I truly believe this would not be the case, the attacker would be taking a gamble with his/her life everytime they made the decision to assault/rape/rob/kill. Many would decide it is not worth the risk.

        Take care

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      • Gregory8 says:

        Highspeedloafer: They’re called victims: either current ones or futute ones. Do you know what a new gun owner is: a liberal who was recently mugged/robbed. Me, I’m looking on the bright side of things. Many of us have been in the military and/or in LE. We will be able to provide, at a cost, protection for some of these fools. Those that can’t or won’t pay, will go the way of the dinosaur-extinction. This may sound harsh but it’s necessary to rid ourselves of the weaklings who supported the policies that got us into this mess to begin with.

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          Sounds like a plan Gregory. I know many who will be in need of protection when it all falls apart. Maybe I can finally get my lazy neighbor to do something besides sit on his keister all day sippin on lemonaide.

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      • O.Bamistake says:

        “Any American citizen who does not own a gun by now is out of his mind!!!”

        Yes, liberals are out of their minds.

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      • mannkansas says:

        I am a 38-year old father of five working in the insurance sector in Kansas City, Kansas. I stumbled across this website while surfing the internet after the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin. Needless to say, I am not a “Rambo” type.

        It is nice to see that there are others out there that think like me. My wife and I both CCW holders as of about six months ago, and are amateur “preppers”; trying to figure out what we need to do when (not if) things go sour.

        I know that there are all sorts of beliefs out there on the internet about guns and preparing for bad stuff in the future. We, in Kansas, pride ourselves on helping our neighbors, pulling up our boot straps, and solving our own problems. Nothing highlighted this difference in my opinion better than the flood in New Orleans and the rampant chaos that ensued. Kansas has massive natural disasters every year (tornadoes, blizzards, flooding, wild fires, etc…), and our society handles the bad stuff much better.

        My worry is that the bad things that are looming in our future will not be isolated incidents, and I have to worry about protecting my family when no one else can help me. I think that the droughts that we have seen recently in farming country are just the tip of the iceberg, and eventually we won’t be able to produce food for those that don’t know how to grow it themselves.

        Secondary to that, I worry about the crazy people that we have in this world and being able to protect my family from them. Across the street from my office, a guy walks into a TV station and starts stabbing people for no apparent reason. Stories like the Aurora movie theatre shooting are commonplace today.

        A saying from Boy Scouts comes to mind: “Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.” After the shooting in Aurora, my wife and I had the discussion about what would have happened if just ONE person in the audience had been a law-abiding CCW holder and had been armed. Many people could have been saved.

        I used to be a liberal. Now I’m a realist.

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    2. BigHog says:

      Best quote on the 2nd Amendment is “It’s not about hunting, it’s about tyranny”.

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      • DRD5508 says:

        Agreed! Speaking of tyranny, since the msm isn’t reporting the facts/truth, they are part of the tyranny.

        Mac, isn’t it interesting that the media worries about the innocent bystanders? An individual being attacked was also an innocent bystander that just happened to be willing and able to fight back. We all know it isn’t about the innocent nor the guns. It is about removing the constitution and christianity, “changes that we can believe in”. Right!

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        • Agreed… there were 71 innocent bystanders in Colorado… and you know what the media reported in several video clips I watched? The police were there “within a few minutes.” That’s great, and I am not taking away anything from first responders because they did respond quickly, but even a “few minutes” was much too long.

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          • Y99 says:

            I carry a gun because cops are too heavy.

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          • SonOfSam says:

            The speed with which law enforcement arrived does nothing to disguise the fact that the police were still there AFTER the massacre had taken place. They are called first “responders” for a reason: they are only allowed to swing into action in response to something bad that has already happened. They can’t go after the bad guys until they have done something bad. Which means that ultimately, we as citizens are responsible for our own protection.

            Here’s something to ponder: what if there had been one honest citizen in that theater who defied the paper protection of the theater being a so-called “gun free” zone? What if that same citizen had used his or her weapon to take down that freak with gonzo thinking and Bozo the clown hair? How would the media have reacted? Would they have praised that citizen for protecting himself and others? Or would they have crucified him as a “vigilante”?

            The fact that I feel compelled to ask this question is part of the reason that I have ZERO confidence in the ability of my so-called “betters” to do the right thing.

            stand strong until freedom dawns

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          • Prepper says:

            Mac, the role of the law enforcement is to draw a chalk line around your body and dust for fingerprints.

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      • Gil says:

        So you agree the 2nd Amendment was only about State Militias and not for private ownership?

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        • Who do you think we intended the militia to made up of? And if not private citizens arm and capable of responding then who? We opposed a standing army. The guarantee of a free state by the people was our vision, not a federally controlled military that can terrorize the people they serve. Thus why the 2nd Amendment is not about your ability to hunt but you private ability to resist tyranny with equal force as the powers of tyranny. Unfortunately you have watered it down to limiting the People from equalizing the power of people and Military. Now your only hope is sheer numbers and force multipliers.

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          • Gil says:

            A1S8 of the U.S. Constitution makes it clear that the militia were about helping Government when in trouble – to suppress rebellions and insurrections. In other words, it clear the militia are meant to used be against the people.

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            • BeenThereDoneThat says:

              Gil, Your use and comprehension of the English language provide us with ample proof of your inability to understand the plain English of the Constitution. Intelligent people read the 2nd as a clear instruction to protect America against tyranny from government, including the U.S. Government. While I’m at it, from Webster’s Dictionary; regular: formed, built, arranged. Regulated: to reduce to order, method, or uniformity: to adjust for accurate functioning. IE:a well ‘regulated militia’. America, you have your Constitutional orders, get regulated while you can still do it easily.

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    3. Estamos Jodidos says:

      If Australia didn’t even have Home Invasion before the Gun Ban, How did it increase by 21%? 1.21 x 0 = 0. Statistics are funny things

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      • DRD5508 says:

        Estamos, please let the other readers enjoy the translation(from you) of your pen name.
        Home invasion in Aussie was lower than most countries and the increase stat is actually low. Six months after the Aussie gun ban, murder and violent assault more than doubled in Australia. Can’t remember the actual source, but I have shared that stat for years with many others.

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        • JayJay says:

          Signs can’t stop acts of violence

          {picture of gun with anti-circle on top here}

          Armed citizens can!!

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        • Anonymous says:

          He won’t do that, so I will!

          “We are f*cked over”

          Proving he’s not using his REAL user handle, and proves he’s nothing but a dipstick!

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          • Anonymous says:

            DRD,

            Let me be clear. His name means, as you evidently are aware, is what I commented above. Yet I get a thumbs down for translating. Yeah, OK, that makes perfect sense!

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          • Anonymous says:

            Brilliant! “proving he’s not using his REAL user handle…”. Commented on by Anonynous. LOL

            I was just trying to point out that the stats as quoted did not make sense. I believe if you throw out stats to support an argument or position they should make sense. Otherwise your credibility may suffer. Just ask the BLS

            The handle translates into “we are screwed” and perhaps I was a little snarky with my first comment. Of course if I provide cause for someone to think and in the future provide more meaningful examples to elucidate their position, that may be a good thing.

            By the way, I appreciate the articles and (most of) the comments here

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          • DRD5508 says:

            Anon, no thumbs down from me. I wanted to see if he/she would translate the handle. Agree with you on your posts, there are some really great artcles on this sight with equally good comments.
            I believe Estamos was really talking about himself.

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    4. kevin says:

      “we must brainwash people to be against guns”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDCQTzBzl1A

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    5. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      When did common sense ever get in the way of a good tyrannical collectivist agenda?

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    6. Hey You says:

      There’s that old truism, “An armed society is a polite society”

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      • JoeinNC says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • Anonymous says:

          WTF?

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          • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

            JoeinNC needs to proofread his posts a little better. I know after a few beers mine might need a little help but sheesh. He may have had a bad experience somewhere so maybe if he keeps reading he will realize who the good guys are. Lets not give up on him.

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          • peteropolis says:

            Exactly what I was thinking Anon. He just likes a double doses of healthy floride in his water.

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        • SWIFT says:

          Left-wingers like you and right wingers like me, will never find a common ground, except one. Lets both petition our legislators to repeal the anti-dueling law. I think a nice, old fashioned duel, when discussion has reached an impasse, to be the most honorable of all solutions. Think of it: You step onto the field of honor, with your second, armed a cell phone to dial 9-1-1, and I also step onto the field with my .357 mag. A disinterested third party explains the rules of decency, as we hard eye each other. Then, (drum roll please) the third party drops a handkerchief and we draw. Later, while having a beer with my bro’s, I marvel at what a .357 can do to even the thickest of human skulls. And you go to the great commune in the sky, to be with Marx, Engles, Lenin and Mao. See; it’s a win-win situation.

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        • JustMe says:

          “Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.”- Mao Tse Tung (Mao Ze Dong)

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        • Smokey says:

          If you are impolite because you believe the other person is unarmed, the problem is you.

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          JoeinNC, learn to spell and use proper grammer, then you can make a better argument. You will never make sense here, but thats ok.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          If JoeNC would extricate his head from inside his ASS, he could type in the Light instead of the Darkness, and it would then make sense. Another member of the “HUTA” crowd..aka=the heads up they ass folks.

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          • JustMe says:

            Ehem…This is a very politically correct society. The proper terminology for such a thing is:

            “Cranial Rectal Inversion”

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        • Gods Creation says:

          Nothing to see here. It is just facebook page with a new name. He’s just trying to make a dishonest dollar.

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        • Earth Man says:

          I would really re-think your odds before bashing us as gun owners.

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    7. VRF says:

      I have family in Ill. I wont go to visit. If I cant protect myself and family , its just not worth it to me to risk it.
      My sister doesnt like it, but she understands, so she comes here

      Fuck any state that doesnt allow me to protect myself, they get NONE of my hard earned money..ZERO!

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Hah! I just drove cross-country, (carrying what the Sillinoisians would have called an arsenal), and made it a point to gas up in Iowa and not stop until I reached Indiana. All Sillynoise got was my exhaust gases.

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    8. Kevin2 says:

      The criminal use of firearms pales to insignificance when measured against the 55 million civilians murdered by their own governments in the 20th century. These numbers are not the collateral damage from war but rather they’re from direct policies by these governments to exterminate one or more groups for religious, ethnic or political reasons.

      The reasons vary but there is one common link. All of the governments involved in genocide disarmed the victim groups prior to the events. All governments that disarmed their civilian populations did not commit genocide but all that did commit genocide first disarmed their victims.

      Look up JPFO for details and sources to support the above numbers.

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      • Prepared Pastor says:

        According to the CDC, about half the gun deaths in America are suicides.

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        • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

          That must be because the gov would rather a family member find a loved one with aftermath of a suicide by gunshot than let that doctor they put in prison for assisted suicides help them end things peacefully. Then again it could be because 75% of the country is on anti- depressants…..that don’t seem to be working. To sad.

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        • Joe (another) says:

          About the same day as the Aurora shootings, an unarmed man was shot and killed by police (for speeding) in Fairplains, WV. It was listed as “suicide by police”.

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        • JayJay says:

          Your point?? Again, the gun didn’t kill—the handler did.
          If not a gun, then another method; if they really want to die.

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    9. emptyhandkiller says:

      Bravo, Mac!!! One of your best EVER articles! Your ironclad, irrefutable facts are awesome. I also agree, that EVERY law abiding citizen MUST have at least one gun, preferably 20, like ME! Thank you again, Mac. Oh, yea, and don’t forget… a mountain of ammo to go with them.

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    10. kevin says:

      Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.)

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    11. kevin says:

      “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.” (Richard Henry Lee, 1788)

      “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

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    12. kevin says:

      “And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms….The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants” (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787

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    13. kevin says:

      “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good” (George Washington)

      “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. (Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 [Foley, Ed., reissued 1967])

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    14. HisArmsWide says:

      So basically because we can own guns in my state, I’m doing my part to keep the crime rates down and fewer innocents are getting killed. And all it takes is the bad guys just knowing there’s a chance that someone they go after may be armed.

      And more people aren’t doing this…. why?

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      • AnonLegion says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • JayJay says:

          Yeah, but it saved a lot of court cost fees and trial costs!!!:_)

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        • Be informed says:

          @ AnonLegion. IF everyone’s guns are taken away, so thereafter all self defense is taken away. What chance does an elderly person or a tiny women have against a criminal that is muscle bound and has no weapon at all? The criminal’s mere body is a weapon to someone much smaller. How does a much smaller person defend themselves against a much tougher opponent without a weapon? They don’t, they become a victim. Take away people’s self defense and you make a whole lot of innocent victims.

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          • SonOfSam says:

            Here here! be informed. Those of us who are not Rambo, can’t punch through concrete with our bare hands and don’t have moves like Jackie Chan would still like very much to remain alive and in one piece. We would also like very much to NOT have to be afraid simply to live our lives and be left the hell alone.

            I may be a balding near sighted computer nerd, but the POS that breaks into my house meaning harm to myself, my wife or my children had better be fucking bulletproof.

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          • glacialhills says:

            From Colt’s website first paragraph from their history link says

            “Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal.”

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          • AnonLegion says:

            @ be informed where did I say increase gun laws? or take away guns? show me so I can correct my mistake or please correct yours. “pre 1900 most americans wore open carry. did not stop crime help stop crime or lower crime rates. crimminals have guns to0. but it has helped in the past against corrupt gov. and will one day in the future” That is a paste from my comment above. feel free to point out where i said take guns away and make new gun laws n such )I do belive I said the guns will help us against the gov. in the future? tell me how does this come out to mean take everyones guns away?

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          • Be informed says:

            @ AeonLegion. When you said that Americans wore open carry guns in 1900 and that did not help or stop crime, I naturally thought that this was implying that you thought that guns and open carry was not necessary because it did no good. This is true that you did not say that banning guns was want you wanted. I to sometimes say something that is misconstrued by others. People are totally on edge about everything right now and the mere thought that the state is trying to take away a person’s self defense is a horrible thought for people.

            I have talked with relatives and others that live in these non-free zones in the United States in which they cannot carry firearms unless they are some law enforcement or something. They also cannot carry stun batons or they have to go through all sorts of legal “hoops” to carry pepper spray to protect themselves. These rotten law makers would have some poor elderly person defend themselves with a rolled up newspaper rather than carry a stun baton against a 135 pound vicous dog.

            It just really sounded like what you were saying is that self protection did no good when people carried weapons. It just sounded like some of these characters that do around preaching against any self defense, because it does nothing, that crime is going to get you anyway. Crime where I live is deterred because people are quite well armed and the criminal knows this. An animal knows nothing, and many lives have been saved because someone had a weapon. Weapons are not a detterent to animals, they just most of the time stop someone from having to go to the plastic surgeon.

            Again, people are on edge about having their self defense taken away from them by individuals that have no respect for victims and more regard for criminals and their rights. It just sounded like what you said was that you were on the side of the anti-self defense characters.

            I personally totally defend all victims to defend themselves with any weapon they can use to save themselves. The second the criminal attacks an innocent victim, in my opinion, they lose all rights because they made that personal choice to attack a victim that has done nothing. This is why I become so upset with these individuals that want to prevent the innocent from saving themselves from something that should never happen to them in the firstplace. The most corrupt governments do the most they can to take away citizens’ rights to defend themselves.

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        • Smokey says:

          In 1900 a woman could walk the streets alone and no one would bother her. A family could sit down to dinner in their home and no one would burst in, terrorize them, or burn them in their beds. In 1900, like now, most crime was committed by criminals against other criminals. The random violence we see now was very nearly non-existent. In 1900, few criminal cases were appealed, the verdict was the verdict and to jail they went. In 1900, if you shot your criminal assailant, absolutely nothing would happen to you. In 1900, no attorney would consider suing a citizen for defending himself. In 1900, if you committed murder, you swung for it, within weeks, rarely more than a year. In 1900, the courts would never consider letting a guilty man walk away because of some legal technicality. In 1900, the police would lock up a criminal on sight, just for the principle of it. In 1900, the government would never even consider allowing illegal aliens to reside in this country for so much as one day after discovery.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Smokey. Exceptional post. In 1900 there was also something lacking, fiat currency. It seems after money became more and more worthless, people got entrapped into this credit world and forgot about what really matters just like the way people did business with each other. It seems like as money lost value, so did common sense and knowing the difference between what is right and wrong. Coincidence?, maybe, maybe not. In the 112 years since 1900, the criminal that brutally tortures people is now gaining more sympathy for what society has done to this psycho than the victims that lived in the same society and CHOOSE to live it correctly without harming others.

            In 1900 there were some cases of false imprisonment, but in most cases the criminal scum was taken care of. Now these monsters will lock you up in some states even when you retreat in your own home from some criminal. I even heard one of the stupidest comments ever that someone said that even in your own home you have the responsibility to keep it safe for anyone that enters it, even a criminal. To think that someone like this could even say something so absurd mystifies me. I guess they could be addicted to huffing on condenced air in a can or something and their brain is physically gone.

            It is so terrifying to see what has happened. People now have no idea between what is fair and is not fair. They have no comprehension between what is a monster of society and a victim. They have no idea between right and totally wrong. They have no understanding about how to stop crime. They just don’t get it that criminals are predators that prey on the weak and the defenseless and are such cowards that they don’t attack hardly ever anyone that is armed. When these criminal slime do attack someone that knows how to use a firearm, you hear a small blip on the media about a brave little old lady that saved her family because she knew how to defend everyone with a firearm. No victim here.

            Talking about victims. These bleeding hearts are such that if a group of them saw a pervert grab a child, they would all tell each other to call 911 rather than try to help the child. Then when the poor child turns up dead somewhere they would all get into a group and hug each other and weep for the child, AND the criminal pervert that the law might execute that was caught. They have such low energy because of not knowing what is right and wrong they leech energy off each other like the energy vampires that they are. When someone has will and strong convictions their entire being is strong. These bleeding hearts are so weak spiritually that they amount to nothing as people in many ways.

            This is what the society is becoming, huggy, touchy, total wimps that feel more sorry for the criminal than the victims. If it wasn’t for those that have something to them (those that have conviction and inner strength), if the entire country was nothing but these don’t hurt anyone’s feelings (not even the criminal) individuals, a Central American army could roll in and take over the country without too much trouble. A dying economy to go along with a dying American spirit with the majority of the population.

            I guess all one can do is try to live in one of the few free states left and avoid these states that empower the criminal like someone would not visit North Korea, Cuba, Iran, or other countries that have no freedom at all.

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          • AnonLegion says:

            LoL you mean a white woman smokey. Native American women did not have it as well. Also in the 1800′s immergration that was enforced was against chinese and african americans. Or unless you mean The first naturalization law in the United States was the Naturalization Act of 1790, which restricted naturalization to “free white persons” of “good moral character” who had resided in the country for two years and had kept their current state of residence for a year. In 1795 this was increased to five years residence and three years after notice of intent to apply for citizenship, and again to 14 years residence and five years notice of intent in 1798. The Fourteenth Amendment, passed in 1868, protects children born in the United States. The phrase: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside” was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the 1898 case United States v. Wong Kim Ark as covering everyone born in the U.S. regardless of the parents’ citizenship, with the exception of the children of diplomats. See the articles jus soli (birthplace) and jus sanguinis (bloodline) for further discussion.

            In 1870, the law was broadened to allow African Americans to be naturalized. Asian immigrants were excluded from naturalization but not from living in the United States. There were also significant restrictions on some Asians at the state level; in California, for example, non-citizen Asians were not allowed to own land.

            After the immigration of 123,000 Chinese in the 1870s, who joined the 105,000 who had immigrated between 1850 and 1870, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882 which specifically limited further Chinese immigration. Chinese had immigrated to the Western United States as a result of unsettled conditions in China, the availability of jobs working on railroads, and the Gold Rush that was going on at that time in California. The xenophobic “Yellow Peril” expression became popular to justify racism against Asians.

            The act excluded Chinese laborers from immigrating to the United States for ten years and was the first immigration law passed by Congress that targeted a specific ethnic group. Laborers in the United States and laborers with work visas received a certificate of residency and were allowed to travel in and out of the United States. Amendments made in 1884 tightened the provisions that allowed previous immigrants to leave and return, and clarified that the law applied to ethnic Chinese regardless of their country of origin. The act was renewed in 1892 by the Geary Act for another ten years, and in 1902 with no terminal date. It was repealed in 1943, although large scale Chinese immigration did not occur until 1965.

            Hey dont blame me for the laws on record.

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        • Public Citizen says:

          Actually, the time period around 1900 had one of the lowest murder rates of any period since the founding of this country.

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        • glacialhills says:

          Crime rates pre 1900 per capita most certainly were lower than those of today,so much so that you would be shocked if you found out how much lower. I don’t know where you are getting your information but I would change sources.

          ANY crime but especially murder was considered heinous and was highly reported back then. Robbery, assault, rape, and murder were all very rare, pre 1900 and even as late as 1930′s. That is when our benevolent government started to make and pass their “reasonable” gun laws and kinder and gentler sentencing and prosecutions of criminals.

          Everyone knows of the Saint Valentines day massacre but few stop and put 2+2 together and realize exactly what that was in context to today’s crimes. That it was reported in every paper and all around the world in 1929,that only 7 gangsters were killed,no children, no innocent victims, no 70 plus unarmed movie goer’s, just 7 armed gangsters that were thugs and law breakers were killed got that much coverage and that it was Labeled a “Massacre” and warranted us now knowing about it almost 100 years later? why? Hell that would barely make the local 6pm news these days, and you really think crimes and crime rates were not lower?

          Everyone that carried a gun or even might be carrying had a huge impact on the civility of the era, but that was not the only reason crime was so low. The law and the courts were on the side of the citizen then.
          You had a right to defend yourself, I would go as far as saying you had a DUTY to do so.

          The fact that stealing a horse back then was a hang able offense is very telling and that in today’s world would barely get a man a few days in jail and glaringly shows how the government has made the entire criminal system favor the lawlessness we now see in our country.

          We have been brainwashed into accepting these laws as “reasonable”.

          The anti 2nd amendment fervor that is now going on is just the latest and greatest travesty that the american people willingly agree to, not because we want more crime and murder, but because we, Just like AnonLegion and others have been “brainwashed” into believing that we have always had this crime rate and gun crimes and lawlessness have been just like they are today.

          WRONG!!!

          The stigma applied to a good citizen carrying open or, heaven forbid concealed, to town has completely been erased from our collective conscious and replaced to the point that the sight of a gun brings the public and the police state down on the law abiding citizen even faster than it would a criminal in most states in this nation.

          We clamor to be protected by a government that has forbid us to protect ourselves, that has done everything it can in the last 100 years to loosen laws against crime, disarm the lawful, and change the mindset that crime was worse before they started to control the show.

          We willingly have accepted bans on fully automatic and semi auto weapons,gun free zones,ammo bans, capacity bans and think that all of these conform to a second amendment language that concretely states “The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL not be INFRINGED.

          Wake up all of you pro 2nd amendment guys and gals, CCW permits and full auto bans are just as unconstitutional as a assault weapons or total gun ban, no matter how reasonable they seem.

          Just as allowing crime and criminals to roam among us, with such slight punishments in place as to be little deterrent, allowing them to commit them over and over, and in this day and age now seems “reasonable” and “normal” to us is unbelievable to me.

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          • AnonLegion says:

            seriously I still want someone to show me where I said take guns away or actualy put any laws into effect about guns? One word? come on now you knwo you can find it you seem to feel I said it. Also i never even said the crimes were less then… i jsut said we had open carry and they still happened. But if you want to take today and then as a time frame of what did happen and didnt happen lets see, they did not have ar-15′s Clips with 30+ rounds either. NOW THIS IS NOT ME SAYING BAN THOSE THINGS OR MAKE LAWS AGAINST THOSE EITHER. but of course you will take it that way :)

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      • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

        Didn’t Japan decide to attack Pearl Harbor instead of the California coast because in America there is a person with a gun behind every blade of grass? I wonder what California’s gun laws would be like if Japan had attacked there??? The citizens would probably be telling Pelosi and Feinstein to shut the fuck up. ( Like they should be doing today!!! )

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        • Iowa says:

          64 echo mike:

          The Japanese General you quoted is correct.

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        • Smokey says:

          They attacked Pearl Harbor because that is where Roosevelt moved the Fleet, from California to Hawaii, in order to deploy forward and intimidate the Japanese. If the Fleet had stayed in California, the Japanese submarine forces would have ambushed it when they sortied out to attack the Japanese Fleet off the California coast. If the Japanese had appeared between Hawaii and California, the US would have considered that an act of war and launched hostilities right then. That would have probably gotten our entire Fleet sunk in deep water, with many thousands more US dead.

          The Japanese did intend on invading Hawaii following their planned victory at Midway in June, 1942. They would have stopped there, for that very reason, behind every blade of grass would have been a rifle, once they landed on the mainland.

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        • Gil says:

          That’s the lamest argument yet. The Japanese did attack knowing that, yes, there would be retaliation. So much for the deterrent factor – they even got a couple of atomic bombs for their troubles.

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    15. Azam says:

      Its a good thing i live in PA. I have the right to defend myself and my family. I was looking at property in NJ but when i found out about how bad the gun laws were there i changed my mind fast. Its pretty bad you have to runaway from some who it trying to hurt you, your family, and your property.

      Good luck to everyone.

      I sure hope one day other states can behave like PA and we can have a universal right to carry in all states. But we all know that will never happen.

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      • 10mm says:

        Azam,Screw NJ.Over taxed shit hole,except south Jersey,victims of Trenton politics.

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        • Kevin2 says:

          10mm

          South NJ is no charm either unless your in rural Cumberland County. Remember that Disney on the Delaware Camden NJ is in the south.

          Trenton Politics is the process by which elected officials pad the state payroll with as many friends as possible thereby costing you $8000/yr in property taxes at the least. You get to go through a process as intrusive to buy a BB gun that other states put you through to get a carry permit. You also get gun laws so complex and confusing that people have been charged and pled guilty only to find out later they did not break the law to begin with.

          People that have not experienced the tempo and flavor of NJ have no idea that it can exist in the USA.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Azam

        I voted with my feet in 91 and fled the Socialist Republic of NJ. Guns laws, taxes, insurance rates and regulations abound there. They actually have an exit tax if you sell your home in NJ and move to another state. The gaul they have has no bounds.

        Putting weather aside show me a state with favorable gun laws and I’ll show you a decent, generally more affordable place to live.

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        • VRF says:

          I wouldnt have paid it, I would have told them “Come and find me and see if you can take it from me”

          Live free or Die

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        • glacialhills says:

          Every state that has any law concerning guns that are in addition to the only true gun law the second amendment, is only just a few unconstitutional laws away less than NJ, that’s all. Give them time and they will be right there lock step with them.You name me one state that has not SEVERELY limited your right to keep and bear arms? Texas? Wyoming? Last time I checked to carry a concealed weapon there you still had to get a ccw. And to own a full auto was almost impossible. Those sure seem like “infringements” to me.

          What’s to stop even them in the next few decades, in a wave of movie and school shootings to pass “reasonable” gun laws that now seems to you like draconian laws that New Jersey is comfortable with?

          Answer…nothing!

          If you accept ccw’s and full auto bans, you must accept any and all gun laws they want to shove at you that are just as unconstitutional.

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      • SWIFT says:

        I love PA’s no retreat law. Where ever my feet are, that’s my castle. And, all those left-wingers and their stories about the OK corral if it passed, have strangely gone silent.

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        • glacialhills says:

          Ya, well see how well that no retreat kind of law is working out for George Zimmerman?

          I agree, if the liberal courts would abide by the laws as written we would have far less crime and we could feel safe and secure in the knowledge that we can defend ourselves from the thugs they let run loose on our streets.

          They are trying to make sure in Florida , and to a watching Nation that you, as a law abiding citizen, think twice before actually putting into practice that law they obviously disagree with.And if you ever do have to use deadly force, they will put you though hell and back to send a message to any and everyone else that that is NOT an acceptable way to protect yourself against a criminal, no matter what the actual law says.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        But if you are an illeagle immigrant, or a wild eyed sub-human he-Boon, you can kill Both your mom and dad and the NJ msm will cry tears aplenty for you are now an Orphan!

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    16. Cameraman says:

      For those that say it can:t happen here WTFU we are in a struggle For our very Lives..the anti Gun People are gearing up for more INSANE laws, Because of the Shooting in Colorado…They will use any and all excuses to disarm us..We will become like England, Australia, and Canada….We will not go quietly in the night!
      Semper Fi

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      • durango kidd says:

        Engage your employees or be disarmed by them.

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        • PO'd Patriot says:

          I will engage them.

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          • glacialhills says:

            Its not only the ones we vote for, the government is run mostly by unelected people, and until we figure out how to elect people that will remove that unchanging “shadow” government that tends to go forward no matter who we elect as their “face” it will not change.

            A line from a movie always pops into my head when thinking of what a Behemoth Washington DC has become.

            “This town needs an enema”.

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        • Anonymous says:

          You always say that, and get a bunch of red thumbs. Maybe I missed it, but would you explain exactly what you mean by that statement?

          Thanks in advance.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Anonymous: You have a choice. You can engage or you can drop out, as a few here have proposed from time to time; suggesting that the PTB are too big to defeat.

            Nothing could be further from the truth. The PTB are a small minority who remain in power through corruption and unconstitutional rules, regulations, policies, and laws.

            In general, Americans are predisposed to peacefully pursue their individual happiness by raising their families, developing their careers, participating in group activities at school or church, or spending time on their hobbies: whether that is making quilts, building motorcycles, restoring vintage cars or following any number of passions that bring them personal enjoyment.

            By in large, the American people have ignored their political responsibilities and have let “George” do it. Well WE let George do it, and WE let Bill do it, and WE have let O’bummer do it. All of them have failed US. Some have committed TREASON against US. ALL of them have committed TREASON against US.

            WE have trusted OUR elected Representatives to serve US and enact legislation to preserve, protect, and promote the interests of the American taxpayer and family, but they have sold US out to 147 multi-national corporations who control 60% of ALL GDP in the world.

            They have created a system of commerce (free trade) under NAFTA, GATT, WTO and now the TPP which they negotiate in secret and then sell to Americans as a “freedom” when it is a demonic system designed to destroy America, impoverish Americans, and dissolve OUR Constitution and merge the USA into Mexico under UN auspices as a prelude to One World Government.

            They have enriched themselves at OUR expense, given themselves special privileges and benefits, and undermined the sacred rights and liberties that WE have HIRED them to honor.

            By default, Americans have “opted out” and coped out, accepting a false premise that WE do not have the will or the collective power to really change things. It’s the BIG LIE that the PTB who are in power want US to believe because they want to retain that power over US.

            That loss of political power is the one true thing they FEAR. They do not fear your guns, although they would like to eliminate them. It would make your enslavement that much easier to achieve. What the PTB truly fear is loss of political power.

            They fear the loss of political office that allows them to keep their boots on the throats of Americans while they steal US blind through legislation and executive order.

            Americans must create NEW political structures ; a party of NEW Patriots dedicated to actually serve the interests of America and Americans rather than the interests of the Dual Citizens that have infiltrated OUR institutions at the highest level and control American domestic and international policy.

            That which is good for the American taxpayer, family, and entrepeneur is what is good for America. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. And they will.

            They will tell you that there is not enough money for SS, or medicare, or health care for all Americans; but somehow the PTB have 26 trillion dollars to loan or GIVE to the largest banks and corporations in the world.

            The table is tilted. The rules have been breached, the manipulation is at full throttle. WE can continue to allo them to destroy US or 90 million gun owners in America can recognize the BIG CON; organize, communicate, volunteer, donate and vote for
            NEW PATRIOTS at the Congressional level and turn this nation around.

            All politics are local.

            Don’t wait for the other guy do it. Do it yourself. Start an informal group where you are now. Impact your local governance with the intent to eventually put a Patriot in CONGRESSIONAL office from your District. There are many links at SHTF Patriots. Start there.

            Engage your EMPLOYEES or be enslaved by them. To do nothing is to accept your fate like a coward and a Sheeple. To do nothing is to ensure that the PTB succeed in destroying America.

            The US Constitution is all that stands between US, tyranny, and One World Government.

            Engage.

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        • copperhead says:

          DK: Right on– they work for us, we elected them to do a job, WHAT WE WANT NOT WHAT TPTB WANT. We have to say enough is enough, but I do not think the balot box works, because some of these A-SH-LES keep getting re-elected so the balot box is rigged in their favor. So what is left to do, MAKE THEM FEAR US, how, you all know what must be done.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Copperhead: Political power in the hands of NEW Patriots, organized and supported by 90 million gun owners in America will fill the PTB and Dual Citizens with FEAR.

            Once the American electorate is truly aroused, organized to do battle, and prepared for the legitimate political control of the nation; the NWO swines will melt away and deny they ever supported the dissolution of the US Constitution and the NAU, the Patriot Act, and every other TREASONOUS that they have committed.

            They can run but they cannot hide. WE know who they are and where they live and when Patriots come to power in DC again these liars, cheats, hypocrites, thieves, and cowards will be indicted, arrested, tried and convicted of TREASON.

            The penalty for TREASON is death. Just saying.

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      • We The People all of us says:

        ” We will not go quietly in the night! ”

        But some may come quietly in the night to visit the evildoers / Tyrants.

        Personally I hope it doesn’t come to that.
        I am not looking for, or seeking violence.

        We need to bring Term limits back, The dissolution of Term limits is a big part of the mess that we are in. That is a big reason why we have such corruption in politics.

        ” Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely ”

        The longer someone is in office the longer the evil ones have to get dirt on them and then they can be controlled, blackmailed to vote or do what they want. Hey we are all only human right. Demand term limits and watch the real fun begin.

        Our founding fathers did not get into politics to become rich and powerful. They did it for We The People… Demand all politicians take large pay cuts. We The People want our politicians to serve us, not the corporations / Banks / global elite.

        I think the true patriotic politicians should stand up and say ” I am willing to take a large pay cut because I am not here to get rich, I am here for We The People, Those who elected me to represent them. Those who a large part of can’t pay their bills or feed themselves properly ( 3 meals a day ). ”

        Yes I am one of those, as are millions of others.
        I don’t even have a pot left to piss in…..
        That doesn’t bother me as much as knowing there are millions of others just like me. Children included, and that really bothers me.

        How about you politicians ???
        We shall see.

        know them not by what they say, but what they do.

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        • VRF says:

          That, and when they fuck up or act against our constitution or laws they need to be tried and convicted and put away, or..depending on the severity..lined up and shot

          Im getting fed up with reading..This politician or government stooge was let go with pay..or “eh stepped down” or “resigned”..and they skate on the crimes they have commited..
          No no no..they need to be incarcerated just like any other criminal
          we have rule of law, and no one is above it..NO ONE! period

          this bullshit where they can fuck us and this country around and than go hide in some other position or have enough of our money to go live someplace else has got to stop..there is no dam accountability and that needs to stop now.

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        • DPS says:

          My old grandpa said to me ‘Son, there comes a time in every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
          take an ass whoopin.’

          I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

          I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

          I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

          I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

          I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

          I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

          I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
          somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

          I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

          I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

          I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

          I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

          Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police
          do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

          Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin’…..**********************************************

          A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

          In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929
          to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
          ——————————

          In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ——————————

          Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
          ——————————

          China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
          ——————————

          Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable
          to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
          —- ————- ————-

          Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
          ——————————

          Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
          —————————–

          Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
          ——————————

          You won’t see this
          data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

          Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

          Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

          The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

          With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

          If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends.

          The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final
          weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

          SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
          SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT’S A NO BRAINER! DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

          I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward.
          I urge everyone to send this to everybody on your e-mail list

          DPS

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      • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

        Yo Cameraman- If you consider what part of the population the anti-gun crowd represents ( the unprepared, the welfare bunch, the bums and losers, the pussies, the “disadvantaged minorites” wha wha wha ) they will probably be the first ones to get eaten when TSHTF. just sayin.

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        • Cameraman says:

          YO Echo Mike..you are correct The Sheeple and Parasites will get the Stasi Boot First,,Can:t Wait Karma”s a Bitch! Semper Fi

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    17. bozorg says:

      Remove the protective tax payer funded cocoon from around the politicians at all levels. Let them fend for themselves like their constituents. Let them feel the fear of meeting armed thugs on a day to day basis and watch them arm themselvesin violation of the stupid laws they passed. BTW l wonder how much Schumer knew about ‘fast and furious’ and when did he know it In his exalted status as a Senate Judiciary committee member l ll bet he knew a lot just because ATF wanted to show off how effective they were

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    18. kevin says:

      “Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people.” (Aristotle)

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    19. its not me says:

      Behind every blade of grass! Suckaaas!

      I love saying that , because it puts fear into the heartless government stiffs.

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    20. crash and burn says:

      “Gun control means using both hands”

      “308 isnt an area code but it sure can reach out and touch someone”

      “Guns have two enemies……rust and politicians”

      “Guns dont kill people….its mostly the bullets”

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    21. Bulldog says:

      Has anyone heard what is to come of S.A.2575? That was the amendment they are adding to the cyber secrutiy bill that takes away our right to own mags with more than 10 rounds. They were supposed to debate it this week in the senate.
      Thanks

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      • KY Mom says:

        I received an email from a gun rights blog that said…

        “By a vote of 52-46, the Senate defeated Senator Lieberman’s Cybersecurity Act of 2012 – for now.”

        However, I haven’t seen any articles written about the vote.

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          • JustMe says:

            “….Yah, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn’t give a fuck about them. The government doesn’t care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply doesn’t give a fuck about you. It’s interested in its own power. That’s the only thing; keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.” – George Carlin ( the REAL one)

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          • KY Mom says:

            George Carlin,

            You are an incredibly RUDE individual. It is NONE of your business if I am on the computer or not.

            FYI, my house is CLEAN and my garden is growing well!

            MYOB!!!

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        • JRS says:

          Well, they all went on vacation for 5 weeks so they can’t cause the people any trouble for a while…5 WEEKS?…Overpaid underworked louts.

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    22. VRF says:

      This kind of back door bullshit should be punishable by law, and those who play these games of hide the hoggie need to be in prison..this is how this shit gets thru. People..get informed, read all bills and vote jackasses like this out, or impeach immediately or suffer the consequences

      THEY need to suffer the consequences of thier stupidity and sneaky tactics..shit like this stuffed in an agricultural bill should be out lawed

      Contact your state Legislator TODAY!

      Senator Leland Yee of San Francisco now trying to ban and confiscate more so-called “assault weapons.”

      Originally, Senate Bill 249 was a quiet agriculture bill that passed in the California Senate back in May. With sneaky back-door tactics, Senator Yee turned the bill into a gun ban monster.

      SB 249, as amended, would make a small but profound change to the definition of what constitutes a detachable magazine for a semiautomatic firearm. By doing so, hundreds of thousands of semi-automatic rifles, which were legally sold in California over the last decade, would become illegal on July 1, 2013.

      The existing definition of detachable magazine was used by Governor Brown’s administration for the four years he served as Attorney General.

      Senator Yee’s bill has no provisions to allow permitting, licensing or reimbursement for the loss of valuable property. Worse yet, the bill doesn’t require a public notice program to advise owners of this change in state law.

      Thousands of owners could be arrested for inadvertent violations. If you own an affected firearm, your only choices would be to destroy it, surrender it to a law enforcement agency, sell it out of state or have it confiscated at the time of your arrest! Which option would you prefer?

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      • JustMe says:

        Um…move? California is about to become Oeste Atzlan anyway…

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        • VRF says:

          I dont live there, But I do pay attention to every state in the Union, you should too. It matters what is being done to your fellow man and neighbors

          get involved in every states bullshit..it informs you of what type of jackboots we are dealing with

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      • REB says:

        Ya,only in california would they allow a guy to emigrate from commie red china to America,give him refuge and citizenship then allow him to pay them back by trying to make America into the hellhole he crawled out of…send his sorry backside back there…didnt he swear an oath not only as a poly-tick but also when they let his sorry butt in here to protect and defend the Constitution?

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      • Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

        Have you ever shot an AK my brother? Almost any rifle and many pistol rounds will, as you say, “go thru a house”.
        Your logic is flawed, if you are going to protect yourself from a group of people armed with AK’s, you’ll need one to survive, now won’t you?

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      • Bulldog says:

        same old line. get rid of assault rifles and rainbows will appear. If they did, ours would be gone and the thugs would still have thiers. Also, AKs as you put it are no different than regular .308 hunting rifles, except that they are less accurate and can fire more rounds w/o reloading. Should we now outlaw .308 hunting rifles? I am soooo tired of people claiming that we can get rid of this gun or that gun, but keep the rest. Once they start regulating what is acceptable in THIER OPPINION, we are all screwed, just like Australia. AKs and ARs are just regular rifles that can fire a large magazine of ammo and they are SCARY looking to most non gun owners and liberals. They still havent made a reliable 100 round mag yet, so no need to worry.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Barn Cat

        I suggest you read the Federalist Papers to educate yourself regarding the intent and purpose of the Second Amendment. It has as much to do about crime as it does with hunting.

        OBTW, read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Rifles of ALL TYPES including semi auto account for approximately 350 murders annually. Semi auto rifles are some fraction of that figure. Ask yourself a simple question. With 310 million people in the US and 100,000 per year dying of preventable medical mistakes should a Physician be allowed to practice in one State after loosing their license to practice medicine in another? Why is saving 100,000 lives not important but so much is made over statistically rare mass shootings? Why are the powers to be and their owned media going after one of the least likely weapons used in crime? Yes your at least 3 times more likely to be murdered with bare hands and feet as a weapon then a semi auto rife. Food for thought? Absolutely yes.

        FROM THE FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS

        Weapons 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
        Total 15,087 14,916 14,224 13,752 12,996
        Total firearms: 10,225 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,775
        Handguns 7,836 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,009
        Rifles 438 453 380 351 358
        Shotguns 490 457 442 423 373
        Other guns 107 116 81 96 96
        Firearms, type not stated 1,354 1,705 1,825 1,828 1,939
        Knives or cutting instruments 1,830 1,817 1,888 1,836 1,704
        Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 618 647 603 623 540
        Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 841 869 875 817 745
        Poison 12 10 9 7 11
        Explosives 1 1 11 2 4
        Fire 117 131 85 98 74
        Narcotics 48 52 34 52 39
        Drowning 12 12 16 8 10
        Strangulation 137 134 89 122 122
        Asphyxiation 106 109 87 84 98
        Other weapons or weapons not stated 1,140 1,005 999 904 874

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        • Bulldog says:

          Kevin2,
          I think we should now outlaw hands, fists and feet, they kill more than SCARY rifles. I think no one should be allowed to walk around with those terrible hands, fist and feet any more.
          ;)

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Bulldog

            Years ago in Philadelphia the news said that baseball bats we’re the weapon of choice of drug dealers because the police could not stop them from having one in public. I thought, “Were they the good old wooden sporting bats or those new evil aluminum assault bats”?

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          • JRS says:

            Hopefully they won’t outlaw my framing nailer.It makes a pretty good weapon if you hold the guard open.

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        • PO'd Patriot says:

          I’ll bet in the firearmms arena that the most killed was by the lowly .22. Might want to keep that in mind when you are shopping for firearms.

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        • JayJay says:

          According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, over 100,000 deaths each year can be attributed to prescription negligence

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        • kevin says:

          Great post Kev!!!

          “Statistics show bathrooms can be the most dangerous room in your house. 70% of home accidents occur in the bathroom. The combination of water and smooth surfaces makes taking a bath or shower a risky proposition. Slip and falls account for over 20,000 fatalities per year in North America. It is the second leading cause of accidental death and disability after automobile accidents. Over 75% of slip-fall deaths occur to people 65 years of age or older. Given those statistics, what can you do to keep your bathroom safe?”

          I would like to introduce legislation to ban ALL bath tubs that hold more then 10 gallons, and everyone with a bathroom take 10 hours of safety training by a government licensed instructor.

          I would also like to introduce legislation to ban ALL crosswalks and borrow $10,000,000,000,000 from the chinese to build pedestrian bridges over ALL intersections.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Kevin

            Great thought, never happen. You can’t defend liberty with a commode so no luck protecting us from the menace of the bathroom.

            The entire framework of the Second Amendment debate puts Constitutional advocates in an anti US position in many peoples eyes. Post WWII the US changed. The power structure may have changed previously but government actions changed significantly. The US started to police the world and was quite willing to expend US treasure in both lives and bodies to do it. Vietnam was the first eye opener with one side rightly claiming the war was “illegal” and the other side seeing every war as WWII with an “America love it or leave it” mentality. Even the most serious flag waving believer is now seeing a post US industrial evisceration that something is seriously wrong.

            I was fortunate to have listened to Charlton Heston’s give his, “From my cold dead hands” speech live. That described the America that I was taught as a kid. Being in my mid 50s I’m probably at the very tail end of that education.

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Ok Barnpussy, since you don’t need your AK, I’ll watch it for you…….

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      • its not me says:

        wait til this jackass has his house invaded or is shot at doing a some day to day event..bet his view will be changed

        I could drop his butt off in Detroit for one night, if he survived his views would change

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      • clint hospo says:

        barn cat, I dont think you realize that an ak-47 shot into the back of a van will go thru the one side but half the rounds didnt puncture thru the other side of the van. I did it!!

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      • kevin says:

        @barnyardcat- WHO is “we”?????????

        What gives YOU/SOME 0NE ELSE the right to say what “WE” NEED, OR CAN or CANNOT OWN/BEAR TO PROTECT OUTSELVES FROM SCUM??(including tyranny from government)

        @everyone-

        “leaders dont need guards, cowards do”- unknown

        All these anti-gun(so called leaders) cowards are surrounded by armed guards, and have to sneak their bullshit laws into large bills, because they know the people do not approve.

        They do not represent the people, and they know it.

        From the federal level down.

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      • We The People all of us says:

        your level of intelligence is mind boggling dumb. Go back and study history some more. You missed a few things. I feel bad for you and people who think like you. Good luck with that.

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      • robert johnson says:

        go hump yourself, you daft turd

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      • JustMe says:

        I think we should ban:

        Freedom of Thought (After all way too many people think for themselves without permission from your parasitic masters. Freedom of Thought only encourages Freedom of Action.)

        Freedom of Speech (Freedom of Speech is only OK if it’s something I want to hear, and worse yet, it encourages Freedom of Thought. Your parasitic masters say we should only have “responsible speech”)

        Freedom of Action (We all know the only people who find Freedom of Action acceptable are “terrorists”! This is the direct negative result of Freedom of Thought. It would be best if you only act as directed.)

        We should ban deadly terrorist assault rocks too, we would’nt want you to hurt yourself, Barncat.

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      • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

        Yo Barn Cat – For one thing they are AK47 variants. Hence semi-automatic. A real AK is fully automatic. You are being tricked by disinformation, not to put down on your point. They are so inaccurate you would have to aim at a house if you wanted to hit anything. At least the one I shot was and I am a fairly decent shot. The ammo used in an AK or variant can be used in other weapons as well. So it is not always the weapon that should be attacked. It kind of shows your ignorance a little bit. I am not trying to put down on you in any way but your words are the words of the anti-gun propaganda bullshit crowd. Please do not be one of those. There are other ways to show concern. You just have to be more honest than those people.

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        • JustMe says:

          64 ECHO & SWIFT,

          The reason they want to ban the AK, is it is truly “The People’s Rifle”.

          It is not that it is butt-ugly, or that they do not know the difference between an assault rifle, and a semi-automatic rifle, they do.

          They want to ban the AK, the AR, etc., because they represent Fredom, and are the tools thereof.

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      • SWIFT says:

        @Barn Cat,,,The AK is really not a powerful weapon. It’s reliability, under ALL conditions, is what made it so famous. Compared to other calibers, it is a rather mediocre round. But, the left-wing, who know very little about guns (and don’t bother to learn) have built it up in the MSM to be a real tank stopper. A pathetic bunch.

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      • Highspeedloafer says:

        I agree with you on some things Barn Cat, but not this time. Whatever my enemy has, I prefer something bigger and faster.

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        • AnonLegion says:

          Good choices in life M.O.S. 18b,89d. U.S. Army Rangers. Guns dont matter when you protect your land and house if those with guns can not get to your house. Just ask those in Hiroshima how those guns might of helped if they had them when the BOOM went off. ( STILL NOT SAYING BAN GUNS OR MAKE NEW GUN LAWS ) just because someone will read this and go on about why not to ban guns like before lol.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        My S&W Mod.29 44mag can be used to shoot a cat in my barn squarely up that cats Ass, then exit thru the front of said cats head!….Thats if I had a barn of course!!

        PS: I think bleder heart libs should pass a new law that requires ALL liberal Kommies and Hoodlums etc to begin wearing them tennis shoes that has LED lights which light up each time their feet hits the ground as they walk or run.

        That way we can find the Perps after darkness falls, and if we use them led lights as an aiming point of reference, we can simply aim aprox. 4ft-to-5ft Higher!

        Kinda like a nitetime coon hunt without dogs.

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      • Cameraman says:

        Barn Pussy! What if I want to shoot the Zombies and ZLooter Thru my House?

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    24. VRF says:

      Join the NRA and lets screw these bastards into the wood work.

      be vocal, be active, be IN THEIR FACE!

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      • Kevin2 says:

        VRF

        Absolutely brother.

        The facts are on our side and emotion on theirs. Find the facts, memorize them and show the fence sitters that the media and many politicians are flat out ignoring facts with ignorance or lying.

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        • VRF says:

          Thanks, its seems very apparent that they forgot who they work for, sommetimes employees need to be reminded.

          50% pay cuts across the board, no benifits until this shit gets turned around..no incentive packages and anyone caught with their handd in the cookie jar, will be terminated..!

          effective immediately

          Sincerely
          Your Boss
          the US Citizens

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        • Anonymous says:

          JOIN THE JPFO!!! Screw the NRA, they’re just another PAC thats full of crap!!

          Think the JPFO doesn’t know gun rights? Check this response out:
          jpfo. org/smith/smith-leo-straight.htm

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          • VRF says:

            I’ll check into that, thanks

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Anonymous

            “Screw the NRA, they’re just another PAC thats full of crap!!”

            Your full of shit. The NRA is the organization that has the political muscle and skill to navigate through that mess called government and make effective change minimizing the worst and promoting the best. Their accomplishments are too numerous to list but you have about 43 shall issue states today and Clintons ban faded into oblivion in 2004.

            I have the highest respect for JPFO and am proud to say I was a charter member. May Aaron Zelman rest in peace. He was a fine tireless champion of the Second Amendment and I’m fortunate to have known him.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Kevin 2,

            Thanks for the compliment! =)

            Fact… IF you are a RePUBICan, then yes, NRA is great. You need to study up on their tactics and the beliefs a little bit more. Even since Heston passed, they’ve gone to hell in a hand-basket politically speaking. Cam Edwards is a good guy, and yes the NRA does good things. But just because an entity does good things does NOT make them good!

            If you’re a proud “Charter” member of JPFO, you should KNOW what I’m talking about too. If not, research JPFO’s site just a little more and you’ll see.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Only the NRA has the political muscle to get things done on Capital Hill. Theory is nice but practically is reality and the NRA deals in that world. I have debated this with Aaron (God rest his Soul) and Neal Knox (God rest his Soul too). Both were great men with Aaron and Jay doing great research and Neal being the Founding Father of the NRA-ILA.

            The NRA backs politicians on one issue REGARDLESS OF PARTY and that’s their stand and voting record regarding the Second Amendment. All one needs to do is look at the NRA-ILA voting guide.

            ” But just because an entity does good things does NOT make them good!”

            Can I assume there is some logic in that statement? I’ll take the 2004 passing of the Clinton ban and shall issue states continuing to be added. So far we have been winning both legally and socially with more people believing gun ownership is a right.

            I’m well aware of the NRAs reluctance to go forward with Heller verses DC. It was the “winner take all” that frightened them. We won by one Justice. One cannot say that their fear was unfounded. As I said they operate in the real world.

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          • copperhead says:

            Anonymous: RIGHT ON!!! The NRA is just that a PAC. All they care about is the $$$$ coming in, say this, say that, and all have drinks together at the end of the day. Then at the start of the next day they meet at the banks and say boy we made out good yesterday. I was a member for 20 yrs. and seen nothing coming from them other than we need your dues and donations. I dropped them over a year ago. So don’t tell what they do to keep your gun rights, ask all the people that live in Illinois about right to carry.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Anonymous

            Oh one more recent NRA victory is that they had the political muscle to persuade 51 US Senators to write President Obama and state that they would not vote for the UN Arms Treaty. Needing 2/3 of Senate the Treaty was effectively terminated. One can say, “Well only for now” and yes that is true and the NRa will be standing right in their way. That’s why the NRA never sleeps. Shall Issue carry permits in 43 states, Clinton gun ban gone, McDonald v Chicago and Heller v DC and UN Treaty derailed.

            Copperhead you stated:

            “I was a member for 20 yrs. and seen nothing coming from them other than we need your dues and donations.”

            “The NRA is just that a PAC”

            Really? Extremely observant. Here is another real eye opener; the Pope is Catholic. You live under a rock? Well back to the NRA specifically the NRA-ILA ,that Political Action Committee operates in my best interests. Do they need money to operate? Yes you know of anything free? Do they need numbers? You betcha. Better yet they need people willing to put in time.

            All of the pro-gun groups combined do not have the political muscle of the NRA-ILA.

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    25. hammerhead says:

      i really don’t believe that americans could BE disarmed.
      there are too many guns , and people willing to fight to keep them . blue helmets or scare tactics, most will only turn in a couple old knock-around guns and save the rest for the coming fight .

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      • durango kidd says:

        It can happen here if the apathy that surrounds politics is not reversed. Americans must be ACTIVE,vocal, even belligerent about their Constitution.

        90 million gun owners hold the future of america in their hands and can change the direction of this nation without firing a single shot.

        Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote for a NEW political party like America First!; The Constitution Party, or the Patriot
        Party.

        The Retards and the Demturds will only give you more of the same NWO, One World Government policies that have destroyed the middle class, collapsed the economy, and militarized OUR police forces with the intent to use them against US.

        Engage.

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        • VRF says:

          Wise Words..

          some countries have done just this in the past..there is a huge list..I remember Brazil as one of them in the mid 90′s
          maybe not exactly as you communicated, but same intent..they got rid of their in-effective 2 party system and installed one that works..and they are doing much much better now..this has been done..it can be done here, we just need more motivated people to push it.

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          • Youdontneedtoknow says:

            They could take guns away if they controlled the food….. Of course we would be at war anyway. Another really good reason to be prepared!

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        • Anton Hackl says:

          Define engage….!

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    26. its not me says:

      Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
      Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants: they serve rather to encorage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed person may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed person.

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      • SonOfSam says:

        I am far more afraid of some thug twice my size breaking into my house and beating the shit out of me than I am of some desk polishing government turd who thinks he can revoke my rights on HIS say so. I will defend myself, and that is all there is to it!

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    27. GrayFoxGreen says:

      Greetings Everyone!
      I was once a person who once trusted the current system of government to care about it’s people and their safety.That included the laws and those who enforce them.In our lifetime these have undergone massive changes for the worse.My opinions on people being able to carry weapons for defense of self,family and property have changed in favor of personal gun ownership.I suspect that having personal means to defend my family and my home from “gun-toting” thugs is the only logical choice left.Unfortunately,I took all of mine when I went fishing in a nearby large river and they all fell overboard!How careless of me!

      Best to Everyone here!
      LTR,
      GFG

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      • SWIFT says:

        @GrayFox,,,,They are not coming for your guns or mine. They will come for YOU and ME. Guns in the river, potato patch or cached in the mountains, you won’t be there to use them.

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    28. Patriot One says:

      I think its painfully evident that Government, any Government absolutely can not be trusted. I America we have been mostly asleep for the past century.

      People may say I’m nuts, so lets look at it. December 23, 1913 the Federal Reserve act is signed. 1935 Social Security is enacted, 1938 Federal National Mortgage Co. (Fannie Mae) 1960 the Great Society, 1968 Medicaid & Food Stamps, 1970 FHLMC (Freddie- Mac) Fannie Mae’s evil twin) 1977 the Community Reinvestment Act, 1994 NAFTA, 1999 Bank Deregulation. I could go on and on, but how many of you opposed any of these acts or knew anyone who opposed these acts?

      So what makes you think Gun control will be any different? Like many of the above Acts The media and government don’t really tell you what they are doing or their real intent. The Health Care bill is a prime example. The government will do and say anything to get gun control past or usurp the Constitution with the UN Arms Trade Treaty.

      Our leaders in Washington are Statist and they want you to be a good little subject, not a Citizen. There is only one way to stop these politicians and that is to restrict them to the constitution and take the money away for everything that is not in the Constitution.

      Now is the time for all good men to stop the tyranny and throw all these bastards out on their asses. Its time to take America back. Who would of thought a guy who sells chicken for a living would lead the way???

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    29. Oldboy says:

      Its simple social justice. Its just not fair that an old, frail woman with money to buy a gun should be able to defeat a young, strong man who can’t afford one.

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    30. Genocide by governments have killed more than 260 million people in the last 100 years alone. In Rawanda in 1994 the “army” in charge killed close to 1,000,000 in 100 days. The Russian’s killed 2 million in Afghanistan in the 1970′s and early 1980′s. And of course we all know it can’t happen to us, and that is exactly what the enlightened Jewish community of Europe thought in the 1930′s.

      It won’t happen in America thanks to our 300 million guns in private hands. Still it can impact us though, it can even bankrupt us as our leaders (the same one’s that would ban guns) put our troops in harms way to prevent another population from doing it to – itself. See the headlines on Syria today. We are spending money there to prevent a government from slaughtering its people.

      Dear Mayor of Chicago,

      Your city has been in the news recently. There have been far too many incidents of gun violence, and many attribute it too poor gun control. Your city and your state have more controls on legal firearms then most, and that is why I write to you.

      I suggest, strongly, you study Switzerland. You will find that arming able bodies men of sound mind to defend the nation isn’t a bad idea, and maybe its time you incorporate that to defend your city.

      Perhaps next time a gang decides to commit a “drive by” the armed citizens of Chicago can rise up and put down the perpetrator. That, perhaps, would be the last time a gang might consider doing such a drive by.

      Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood gun owner.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Jim

        I don’t know if your numbers as presented (260 million) are correct. I used specifically governments killing their own citizens in which many official records support. The gross number of murders committed by governments upon civilian populations outside of their own and collateral damage as of a result of direct military attack does exceed the 55 million of governments killing their own unwanted people.

        Regardless the number be it 55 million or 260 million of civilians killed by governments is staggering.

        If they desired to stop genocide in Africa the way is to drop food and weapons to the persecuted groups. Heck, don’t destroy the guns confiscated from criminals worldwide. They are just a tool. Put them in a mothers hand with ammo in Africa and let me see you try to take that bowl of rice from her child. Problem half solved. Teach her later how to farm that grain and give her the tools and self sufficiency is then obtained. Problem then is 100% solved.

        It ain’t the gun it’s a question of who’s hands the gun is in. The bad be it rogue government or criminal will always be armed. There is no other logical alternative but to arm the good.

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        • Kevin2 the figure was 260-65 million and includes a great deal of Chinese and Russian losses, it also includes (as I mentioned to those who don’t fear it) those who died trying to stop it – such as our parents/grand parents in WWII.

          You are correct about Africa and it is the same answer that should be applied to any group that is being killed off – give them the guns, ammo, and ability to create their own food and water and let them take care of themselves. This is also the answer for Chicago and any other city. Chicago could probably find 20,000, 50,000 maybe even a 100,000 law abiding homes ready to receive training, an AR-15, magazines and ammunition – then ready to defend themselves.

          There was recently a post here about the 500 cops against the 100,000 gang members in Chicago. 500 police cost a city about $60,000,000 a year. For that money you can properly arm and train 25,000 homes quite easy. After 4 years the law abiding will out number the gangs and the problem will be solved.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Jim

            Your using those that died in war while my point was concerning the direct genocide by governments upon a disarmed by statute civilian population. We’re in agreement but just looking at it from a different perspective.

            The misguided liberal logic of, “We can’t arm people because there are too many guns already” misses the point and is indicative of the thought process of blaming anyone or anything but those at fault. That “logic” is used to avoid personal responsibility on so many issues.

            I might be wrong but I don’t see mobs of street gangs swooping down on the law abiding too often in cities that have shall issue carry laws. I hear of it in Chicago and Los Angeles, coincidence?

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          • SonOfSam says:

            I think the fact that we have to debate how many millions of unarmed people have been murdered by “their” governments proves our point, no matter what the ultimate number turns out to be

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        • JRS says:

          Jim….You may want to look into the conflict in Syria a little closer. The country is being infiltrated by outsiders funded by powers that have an agenda that doesn’t include the present Syrian government.I have seen reports that Syrian government troops were actually evacuating and protecting the civilians in Aleppo to prevent them from being killed by the so called rebels.

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          • My only point in bringing up syria is like any other “hot spot’ where innocent people are being slaughtered and our government (same government that wants to restrict our gun ownership) wants to send “aid” or “troops” to the “help” out.

            You can be assured we won’t be sending troops to Switzerland anytime soon will we – I’m doubting they will need our services to “defend” them from an a dictator, from a government or anyone else for that matter.

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      • JustMe says:

        Please spit out the Syria kool-aide, the nwo is funding the war…

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    31. Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

      As sinnful as murder/street crime is, hey, I’ll trade the murder rate in Chicago or St. Louis for the murder rate in Hilter’s Germany, Po Pot’s Cambodia, or Stalin’s USSR…. ALL DAY LONG!

      Sure we lose people weekly to gun violence, but the 2nd admendment has so far stopped an American Dictatorship from happening…….yet? (Come Nov. who can say?)

      Now the way that Washington mistreated Native American’s, that’s another story.

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      • its not me says:

        exactly

        ask an indian if you can “trust the government”

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        • Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

          Yes, my point too.If you haven’t, check out the old movie called “Geronimo”. He was the last American to lead a full blown rebellion against TPTB in Washington.

          Robert Duvall, Matt Damon, and others.

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          • VRF says:

            Yup Ive seen it
            I am part of the 1st Nation of original peoples of this land. Part Chippewa, Par Souix.
            My ancestors got a royal fucking

            My blood line knows this traitorist government all too well..we speak of it to this day

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        • OLD SCHOOL says:

          what ya drinking man

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        • VRF says:

          One of the problems the Indians had was, they didnt communicate much with all the other tibes, some not at all, and some were sworn enemies, thus no unification.
          If they would have had Unification, they would have kicked every ones ass, especially this infiltrated lieing ass tratorist government.

          We seem to have the same problem today with all the US citizens..if this isnt changed were done, just like my ancestors.

          sleep on that thought, my fellow men and women.

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          • lonelonmum says:

            The celts had the same issue in the british isles. Lack of unity within a community is a killer under certain circumstances – whether that be against a crackden moving into your neighbourhood or “the gubberment boots” kicking in your neighbours door – “when they camne for me there was noone left to plead my case”.

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        • REB says:

          …ask anyone whos honest with an IQ above room temp and theyll tell you “NO”….Im only half Indian,but full blooded rebel freeman,and Ill tell you plainly “HELL NO”!!

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        • AnonLegion says:

          ask a native american if you can trust anyone.

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      • JoeinNC says:

        It is really unfortunate the Native American’s we not as well armed as teh U.S Army at the time.

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        • VRF says:

          We should have killed them all the day after they got here, and hung their skulls up and down the shore line

          If you think this government isnt still under some type of British Rule, your head is in the sand.

          I dont have time to point out all the indications.

          I’ll use one

          B.A.R association
          British Acredited Registry..yup fuckin Lawyers

          look in all the courts and many other government halls of control, if you cant see it..yer blind

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          • VRF says:

            No Offence Burt the Brit, not like you had any control over that, its not a personal thing mind you.

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          • JRS says:

            Yep ….The BAR association was founded several years after the US government was incorporated (Act of 1871) in order to enforce the laws of the Crown.The BAR association’s headquarters are in the Square Mile in London.Don’t ever trust a lawyer to defend you in a corp court. Much as law enforcement, they are only there to protect the state.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          Sometimes they were. Read up on the Battle of Little Big Horn sometime. The Indians had repeating rifles – the soldiers had single-shot trapdoor Springfields with copper-cased ammo that jammed regularly.

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        • Smokey says:

          Joe, that is not true. Read up on the archaeology at Little Big Horn, the Indians had repeating rifles, the Army didn’t. They were overwhelmed and defeated in detail.

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      • Ohcumgache says:

        Nathan Lupan,

        A THOUSAND LIES

        THE NATIVE AMERICAN

        compiled by Dee Finney

        The founding fathers on that rock shared common characteristics. All four valued white supremacy and promoted the extirpation of Indian society. The United States’ founding fathers were staunchly anti-Indian advocates in that at one time or another, all four provided for genocide against Indian peoples of this hemisphere.

        George Washington…
        In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, “lay waste all the settlements around…that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed”. In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indian people, Washington also instructed his general not “listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected”. (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.)

        In 1783, Washington’s anti-Indian sentiments were apparent in his comparisons of Indians with wolves: “Both being beast of prey, tho’ they differ in shape”, he said. George Washington’s policies of extermination were realized in his troops behaviors following a defeat. Troops would skin the bodies of Iroquois “from the hips downward to make boot tops or leggings”. Indians who survived the attacks later re-named the nation’s first president as “Town Destroyer”. Approximately 28 of 30 Seneca towns had been destroyed within a five year period.

        Thomas Jefferson…
        In 1807, Thomas Jefferson instructed his War Department that, should any Indians resist against America stealing Indian lands, the Indian resistance must be met with “the hatchet”. Jefferson continued, “And…if ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, ” he wrote, “we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or is driven beyond the Mississippi.” Jefferson, the slave owner, continued, “in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them”.

        In 1812, Jefferson said that American was obliged to push the backward Indians “with the beasts of the forests into the Stony Mountains”. One year later Jefferson continued anti-Indian statements by adding that America must “pursue [the Indians] to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach”.

        Abraham Lincoln…

        In 1862, President Abraham Lincoln ordered the execution, by hanging, of 38 Dakota Sioux prisoners in Mankato, Minnesota. Most of those executed were holy men or political leaders of their camps. None of them were responsible for committing the crimes they were accused of. Coined as the Largest Mass Execution in U.S. History. (Brown, Dee. BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE. New York: Holt, Rinehart, Winston, 1970. pp. 59-61)

        Theodore Roosevelt…
        The fourth face you see on that “Stony Mountain” is America’s first twentieth century president, alleged American hero, and Nobel peace prize recipient, Theodore Roosevelt. This Indian fighter firmly grasped the notion of Manifest Destiny saying that America’s extermination of the Indians and thefts our their lands “was ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable”. Roosevelt once said, “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth”.

        The apathy displayed by these founding fathers symbolize the demoralization related to racial superiority. Scholars point toward this racial polarization as evidence of the existence of Eugenics.

        Eugenics is a new term for an old phenomena which asserts that Indian people should be exterminated because they are an inferior race of people. Jefferson’s suggestion to pursue the Indians to extermination fits well into the eugenistic vision. In David Stannard’s study American Holocaust, he writes: “had these same words been enunciated by a German leader in 1939, and directed at European Jews, they would be engraved in modern memory. Since they were uttered by one of America’s founding fathers, however…they conveniently have become lost to most historians in their insistent celebration of Jefferson’s wisdom and humanity.” Roosevelt feared that American upper classes were being replaced by the “unrestricted breeding” of inferior racial stocks, the “utterly shiftless”, and the “worthless”

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        • VRF says:

          Thank you for posting that Ohcumgache

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        • VRF says:

          My Daughters name is Cheyenne..same meaning as yours

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          • VRF says:

            Or Little Wolf

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          • Ohcumgache says:

            VRF,

            The American Indian is of the soil, whether it be the region of forests, plains, pueblos, or mesas. He fits into the landscape, for the hand that fashioned the continent also fashioned the man for his surroundings. He once grew as naturally as the wild sunflowers, he belongs just as the buffalo belonged….

            Out of the Indian approach to life there came a great freedom, an intense and absorbing respect for life, enriching faith in a Supreme Power, and principles of truth, honesty, generosity, equity, and brotherhood as a guide to mundane relations.

            You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round….. The Sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours….

            Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

            -Black Elk (Oglala) 1863-1950

            Cheyenne is a special name for a girl.

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          • VRF says:

            Amen Ohcumgache

            there are no squares in nature, you are absolutly correct about the Circle, and the Circle of life.

            this Circle of History is coming back around, and a lot of people will not see it and it will be the death of them. (history repeating itself)

            there is a high price to pay for the killing of Indigenous peoples, the All High One has always been watching and these killers of his creation will pay, these signs I have seen, and know to be true.

            My Daughter is being taught the truth, not what the history books of a public school want them to believe is true, but the real truth of the founders and the government and its people, because it has never been for the common person , not if they were willing to kill off all of us to take everything in sight with any way necessary

            I dont ever want to hear about a black mans fight, atleast most of them got to live, most all of us Indians died for our land savagely, and our way of life And yet I hear people bitch about how the Indians have the casinos and how rich they must be, and how they make up their own laws and dont follow the laws of this country on the reservations, sounding so condecending and jealous (sorry a pet peeve of mine)

            Be safe my fellow soul of the land, our heritage will not be forgotten, Im making sure of it by handing it down, and showing her who to trust.
            we are of the land and if we have to go back to the land, than that is what was ment by our creator..i will stand in the hole and protect what is mine. And have no problem being a team player, but it seems any more that the lack of unification of this countrys people will be the downfall of it, there again the Circle as it comes back around.

            peace be with you brother

            Wanji Anpetu wi

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        • kevin says:

          Those quotes and actions are disturbing thats for sure, but not surprising(to a student of mankinds history).

          I am white. I would like to point out what happened to my tribe(a collection of 1000 farms in south eastern europe), when the ottoman empire was sweaping into that part europe.

          They(ottomans) thought the people there were below them(especialy the ones that resisted the change), killed man,women and child.

          Burned out houses, destroyed crops and live stock, and stole ALL their land, they were displaced and eventually(over time) the surviving members filtered to america.

          Sounds familiar doesn’t it????????????????

          A pattern of humanity, a “circle” of events if you will.

          Remember, native american tribes did alot of conquering of their neighbors themselves, thats why the tribes were not united(at first, and later), only when total defeat was in their eyes did they try to unite. We (men living NOW of ALL races and history wanting freedom and liberty) will suffer the same fate if WE waite that long).

          What happened to the tribes of north and south america is a tragedy and a crime thats for sure, but no less of a tragedy and crime then what happened to my people and to ALL conquered people of history.

          The Lakota,sioux, and navajo who understand I had nothing to do with the past,know mankinds history and live in the present are my brothers,

          What about the people(of the tribes of america) filled with hate???? I cannot help them with their heavy troubled hearts, but I do understand it)

          I stand firm behind the words of our founders that effects me(and you/everyone) right HERE, right NOW.(lets all try getting it right this time)

          “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…………We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government……………… They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends………..”

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            You indian guys better read recent facts which clearly show over the past 20 yrs or so, that Tools And Skelatons from old grave sites PROVE the WHITES were here at least 9000+yrs ago!…BEFORE ANY INJUNS came here!

            If I recall corectly much evidence was found around PA state areas. As well as all over the Northwestern states areas!

            But due to PC and mucho cash from casinos indians lobbys etc. so far fed gov agencys keep diverting those skeletal remains to be re-buryied at various tribal grounds. Usually after long court cases filed to halt factual evidence of Whites is who was slaughtered by Indians Prior to and Long prior(9000yrs prior) to anything done by fed gov of usa in washingtons times or the 1800s era.

            Just like holohoax victims if they allow Truth and Facts to surface?…What becomes of Their victim of evil whiteys status?….Specially when most if not all of their agendas revolves around and is supported entirely by claims of “We are victims of evil whites!”

            What is to happen soon when enough awaken to True Facts and based upon Recent evidence, or revealed previous hidden facts(like from WWII etc), when a Majority simply refuse to carry “White Guilt” on their shoulders any longer?

            I predict it wont be so swell for various groups whos main themes or memes revolve around victimhood.

            XAMPLE: Al Sharpton again demands 200 apoligies from his latest “whiteyman” accused of Hate-Rassissizm-intolerance.

            But whiteyman says Fuck YOU Al!…Kiss My white Ass pal!…And 70% of americans Agrees with that whiteman.

            Next up:…Soon every last “evilgermanman” from wwii will be Dead…What will jews then whine or cry incesantly of?

            Fed gov has a “Nazi-Hunter” fed agency. Will That agencys funds be Cut off after every last german army guy is dead?

            OR: will whiney jews begin a New agenda to convince entire worlds folks to Now hand over cash for Great grand kiddies of so called holohoax survivers as if they too were somehow infringed upon?

            And our buddies them always hatefull of whiteys, the “american Indians”?….What will they cry of After majority sees evidence that we Whites was here as long as 8000yrs PRIOR to indians?….And will that prove it has to be Indians who KIlled Off the early whites who were here so long Prior?

            If That happens?…Hmmmm…What oh what will so many “groups” do when whiteys say we are DONE paying for or haveing white guilt any longer?….Specially once all them “victim” groups such as jews-blacks-mexicans-indians etc realizes Whites are Still a Vast Armmed Majority.

            Remember, most of all we was taught the last 60+yrs, be it by public schools-universities-or main stream tv/hollywood. Has recently been Proven to be 99% LIES or Propaganda.

            A true student of History Must be willing to accept NEW facts and truths when based on hard evidense or science etc. That means regardless What we was told prior, maybe we will need to Re-think it eh. New facts such as Bronze(?) TOOLS thousands of yrs Prior any indians found in north america. While indians still used all they knew of which was Flint Rocks etc(untill Whites taught em about Steel or Iron eh) As well as Tons of Proof that probly 98+% of WWII “history” is false.

            One More xample ok:…Are you aware that after WWII all Three allied forces Prez’s wrote Documentry books?…Yes, FDR-CHURCHILL-And DeGaulle(?) from usa-england-france. Their entire volume of pages from ALL-Three is nearly 8000 pages long!!!..Each guys book is in 2 or 3 volumes! Their views(and they did know!) of Entire History of WWII…

            And yet if you search EVERY DAMN word in All nearly 8000pgs, you cant find ANY rference to “Six-Million” jews, Nor 6-million ANYone or thing else!…NOR do any of them 3 men write ONE word about “gas chambers” by nazis etc!

            Do You suppose they ALL simply “Forgot”? or could it be perhaps We was LIED to, and ALOT?!!

            DISCLAIMER: I aint saying nobody got killed or that jews AND Others werent screwed or killed etc…Just saying perhaps it wasnt really as we was led to believe.

            It does seem real strange to me that ONLY jews got Hundreds of Holohoax museums, and Blacks in last 50yrs are fast catchin up!…I rekon we whites supposed to believe ONLY jews or blacks is worlds Perpetual “Victims” and ALL Others killed etc just fade out and Be Quiet cause You “Others” simply do NOT count!

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Consider the source and who wrote that stuf…And consider how after aprox. 200yrs of Constantly trying to Civilize so many wild animalistic tribes of child and women killers etc, that perhaps That kinda shaped our former Great Whiteman presidents opinions.

          Since what was it? 1620′s era? Mayflower Pilgrims of aprox 100 persons landed in america, untill about 200 yrs Afterwards that was stated by Jefferson et al.

          There IS a HUGE difference it seems between whites and most if not all other “races/kinds”.

          I agree, for them what Nitpiks details etc, that Yes…We always must allow for the odd exceptions to the “Rule” so to speak. But not just here in the usa, but most all Other nations/areas/lands worldwide.

          If a sane open minded person looks at Known/Proven facts and stats etc. They will soon see a Pattern develop which shows repeatedly again and again. That being, it seems whitefolks(due alot to Christianity in its true nature absent from various popes or charlatons etc) has a Definate pre-disposition to have Compassion-Mercy(even on our worst enemys) and Charitable careing not found in many other races or groups.

          Look at the factual evidence when you see over and over how UN-careing and UN-mercifull and UN-compasionate various others act like. When has anyone ever seen whites going Apeshit and Murdering fellow whites such as seen in say…African cultures?…OR, Pre-1900 American Indians?

          Maybe after 200yrs of many pastors and well meaning whites settlers efforts constantly being abated in favor of wild animalistic killing sprees along with always mass Rapes even of small girls!

          Then unlike when white folks must resort to killing where its done 99.9% of the time with Full Remorse cause we whites believes ALL peoples are created in the Likeness, of God. We see be it Yesterdays Indians, Or, Todays Sub-Human apelike visiousness and hatered, not just “killing” but Various Horrible unspeakable Tortures at times lasting for not Days…But WEEKS!!! Prior to finally allowing their victims(small kids and womenfolk too!) to die.

          Like it or not…You must admit that in 6000yrs of recorded history from adam and eve to the present day of 2012 ad, we see proof Galore that its always them “Whiteys” who Invent all types of important good stuf the “other races” Love to use or own!…Whites tried to Civilize most all other nations.

          Whites find ways to SHARE great stuf invented with entire world of “others”. Even when we must Give it away for Free!….While them “others” daily Plot/Plan more ways to subvert or kill off whites worldwide.

          Close your eyes and picture this scenario…..

          Its the year 2020 AD, Every last white person has been exterminated from planet earth, by various methods such as UN agenda21, Racist African Black Mobs-Illeagle Mexican Mobs(who totally Fucked up mexico the last 200 yrs then Invaded the usa seeking “Better Lives etc”! instead of Fixin mexico) and of course I’d be remiss if I dont include the Jew Talmudic Dream/Goals of being the Only Owners and Rulers of the entire world(thats main reason we whites are in their way I rekon).

          Then picture after us whites is all gone…ZERO great inventions(well okay Only 99.9% of all stuf invented! Gotta give credit to Ely Whitneys cotton gin of course eh)…..Nobody left to civilize all them wild vicious animalistic racist mob mentality killers and rapers!

          By Year 2022(just Two short yrs after “Post-Whiteys”) and you can see everywheres theres land , and people are, will revert Back to how Africa(probly alot of mexico and south america too) STILL is!

          Skyscrapers…GONE! Beautifull Cities and suburbs and wonderfull Rural countrysides filled with Peacefull Compasionate Whites..GONE!!…ALL Replaced with AFRICAN style Mud & Human excreetment mixed with Muddy pond scum water constructed “Viliages”(kinda what Hillery desires eh? Takes a viliage!)You all seen em…Nice Kozzy Kommfy round dwellings where theres NO front door so it is so much eaiser to walk outside 5 paces when the Urge to squat and empty their bowels arises.(More building materials so Save that stuf!).

          Yep by now your mental picture should show a world withOUT any whites left will surely be a dreamy euphoric state for all them survivors…Unless they Kill off each other! Kinda like american injuns was so fond of doing back in the day eh.

          Yeah! Damn them old dead whiteys like Jefferson et al for seeing how utterly FruitLESS it seemed, after 200 yrs trying to at least get indians and africans to Try to Act like a Whiteman or Woman and see if it aint just a tiny bit Better way to live etc!

          Them whites back in 1800′s era should have simply not payed atten. to comming back to their ranch/homestead/Farms and observing their Entire Family not just Dead!..But Litterally Butuchered/Tortured and Raped repeatedly prior to being allowed to Die at the hands of SAVAGES!…..Imagiane thinking they should hunt down such savage beasts to kill before the savages can kill again and again!

          Them Evil Damn White folks!…Picture a world without Any Whites…Ever in it!…… Ogga Bogga BOO! gotta love wild savagery as a lifestyle no?

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          • Ohcumgache says:

            Angelo,

            You have much frustration in your heart. I have no intention of anything but the truth. There is no hatred or revenge in my heart. I have great pity for you since you have made my statements of truth into something that I did not provoke. In my opinion, you are prejudiced and sadistic in your rants.

            The promise Creator gives us
            Comes with every new day,
            The gift of breath, the gift of life,
            Opportunities in a vast array.
            How do we count our blessings,
            Through the choices life can bring?
            Is it through joyful lessons?
            Or the fears to which we cling?
            Are we learning to show gratitude,
            For the victories over human pain?
            By honoring the feeling choices,
            We grasp the will we’ve regained.
            Can we change our focus,
            With no need to defend?
            Acknowledging joy and sorrow,
            Without judging foe or friend?
            Tomorrow promises the fullness
            Of every human way to know:
            How we master each challenge
            Determines our balance -
            reflecting how we grow.
            The Promise of Tomorrow

            Jamie Sams
            “Earth Medicine”

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          • kevin says:

            @ochu-
            The pages of googlebooks I need to see the source of that george washington quote (and others) are not “part of the preview”

            (Got another post clearing spam asking for sources.)

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        • kevin says:

          http://learnhowtobeprepared.com/cold-hard-facts-on-gun-bans-the-cost-of-liberty-can-be-measured-in-the-loss-of-life-2/

          I dont get it, this page has mac’s headline and your post?

          Coincidences are very coincidental.

          Just sayin.

          Can you lead me and others to ANY of those quotes origin?

          Other then 1 book some guy wrote?

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    32. The gun grabbers can have my ammo…where do they want it?

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    33. $ cocopuff crackhead $ says:

      remember prepper peoples … this is all happening by design of the yale and harvard boys BILDERBOYBUGGERS secret homo cia fbi nsa dhs pillow biter orgy skull n boner societies nwo plans !!! courtesy of the george bushs and the conservative zionist communist fascist party of amerika.

      amerika must fail for the nwo to suceed !!!

      buy ammo NOW , buy guns NOW !!!

      your all being setup for the end of days slaughter !!!

      the final battle on earth for global freedom of the human mind and spirit !!!

      if we fail the whole world will enter a dark ages never seen before !!! fedgov zionist gm eugenics plagues disease will destroy humanity intentionally !!!

      arm up stock up prepare for an american freeman revolution !!!

      ~N.O.

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    34. Iowa says:

      The minute a gun ban is announced in America, we will see 1776. I would rather see this than an economic collapse which would devestate most Americans, not to mention martial law which would come right after.

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      • Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

        Iowa,
        As usual you’re right, but the guys at Lexington and Concord were organized into units. They had elected Officers, they trained together and knew that they could rely upon their neighbors.

        Even if there are 1 million survivalists in America, without leadership, order, and a Just Cause, we are just speed bumps for Obama’s new marxist national military.

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        • Iowa says:

          I am not usually right. God is Right all the time. I just speak what was written. So when you speak of His servants, speak of their God as being right all the time.

          Snd when you speak of order in the militia or army, remember this… ]George Washington’s army had a bunch of drunks that dissappeared into the night. At the loss of Manhattan, the British spoke of young boys and elderly men that stayed in the last line of defense.

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        • Youdontneedtoknow says:

          A very good reason to form tribes now, or if that’s not your thing, have a ham radio or cb.

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      • Wolfbay says:

        We need to get over the 2nd amendment. The whole constitution and bill of rights are the law of the land and should be followed.Basically the 2 nd amendment is gone because other amendments have been violated. If the president decides to disarm you he can have you arrested and disarmed without due process or trial. If he’s in a bad mood he can have citizens assassinated without due process.Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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    35. clint hospo says:

      well i think thats a great idea if cops stay off work, 1st week could speed and not worry about tickets, at night we know the types of people that like to break into homes and shoot them dead, then just throw the bodies into the trash each thursday after the garbage guys come by. we would be cleaning up the streets rather quickly, i like that idea of cops not working. gang bangers cant shoot very well either. great idea. even while your at it, let them all out of jail too and if they break in we shoot them dead. no problem for us. we are prepared.

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      • clint hospo says:

        another tip, these swat teams are using plates ar500 steel that resists many .223 ar-15 shots and ceramic plates on top of kevlar, you best defense is a clear shot to the face or duck and aim for a slug to his groin or his upper femar and snap it, he will go down and lose blood quickly. I think the upper leg spot is best spot to aim for with buckshot or slug. they usually dont use protection in those areas. some cops wear these sportswear pants that have levels of kevlar in some troops so take out the upper femar region. they will drop from the pain and shock. better and easier shot from behind car tires or under etc. dont be afraid to leave a gun in the neibors gutter so if you take a shot from elevated height you can drop off roof and move away, never let know your firing on your own properety otherwise they will call in support to your home and all your stuff is gone unless its just insane society breakdown. not making this up, any thoughts?

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        • Iowa says:

          Your comment clint hospo:

          …I wish I had never had a family and woken up, everything I asked God for. God help me.

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        • VRF says:

          and a .22LR rips right thru Kevlar..small projectile high speed, the fibers cant grab it. plates, well thats another story

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          • VRF says:

            I wonder what a 50 cal. Muzzle loader would do to an armored person?
            I bet if it didnt kill em it would knock the wind right out of them to the point where they might not get it back

            getting hit with a slow moving large ball(1/2″) of lead is one hell of a force..like getting hit with a brick wall moving at 2000FPS

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          • clint hospo says:

            thats news to be. have to look into that one. makes sense sort of. good post.

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          • SWIFT says:

            @VRF,,,a .50 caliber black powder hit to the chest may have the same effect as a 12 gauge rifled slug: the heart will explode. The human body can only take so many foot pounds of energy, in a limited area. Dead is dead, whether you penetrate or not.

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        • blackriflewarrior says:

          clint hospo…great post..you make a valid point about ways around body armor and I like the way you think, however, most gun owners never prepare tactically, they punch paper to improve aim. It is a whole other world when your adrenalin is pumping when some bastard is shooting at you. Gosh, I had so much to say in response to your post but I got lost in thinking about how sad we have become as a society. I am tactically trained and I am confident that if an intruder ever got in my home, he would lose, but one trained gunner against a tactically trained SWAT team is pretty much a no-win situation.
          I had a long talk with my youngest son last night about where the human race is right now. I always thought I would die on my motorcycle but I told my son that I WILL give up my life to defend my right to own guns. I told him that if the day ever arrives that the POS gov bans weapons and comes for mine that they will probably get me because I have no stronger belief in my body than our RIGHT to own weapons. I will make it costly for “them” to come for my guns. There was a line in the movie Braveheart about dying that went something like this…”all men die, but how many really live?” That one line from a movie changed my life and made me realize that some things in life are worth dying for. Our family and friends, ourselves, and our GOD-given Rights. I have always tried to live my life so that I could one day meet my maker and have HIM smile at me. I always belived that taking another life would doom me but I believe now that in this crazy world we are in that HE would understand that it may in fact come to having to take another life/lives. I am not looking forward to it but I won’t go quietly.
          I hope I am making sense, I got a little too deep into the whiskey bottle last night and my vision has just finally returned, lol. I guess my point is that we all need to stop and really think, and get our minds around the fact that one day it will come to killing. That has been part of my prepping. Having provisions is a great thing but the mental horrors we may expirience will take a toll on even the most unwavering Patriots. All the prepping in the world will all be for naught if you don’t gather your resolve and get our minds around some of the things we may be forced to do. I love the comments on this board and it brings a tear to my eye when I read posts fron real Americans that just want to be left alone and live. This board and the fine people here make me still believe we have a country worth saving. Keep that eye of the tiger and you will endure!

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          • possee says:

            bravo blackriflewarrior

            bravo

            possee

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          • JustMe says:

            BRW,

            Good post. But, loose the whisky, clear your head.

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          • clint hospo says:

            you were not ranting at all. its the truth and you can tell someone who means in from the heart and has done it vs the people that see things in movies. bare with me on my writing because I get off track quick. 1st wear earplugs to keep noise down and flahbnags etc from effecting your focus. 2nd high confidence is what makes you a half sec faster and more controlled than the swat team. 3. a dummy with a fake ak-47 in your living room in position at front door which when swat comes in will throw them off for about 1-1.5 sec. That is critical time that keeps you from having the barrel pointed at you and for you to make the shot and take one down. I have tons of smoke and I know teams can inter anytime in mack speed you want to cause mass confusion or anything that can give you a sec or 2 to get a clear shot on 1-2. if two men go down they will be in disarrey and gives you an advantage. vasoline on the floor to slip to a fan blowing gasloine into their area, anything you can think of can make a big difference. never have windows on sides they can see a clear view or reiw view door, you dont know which side it could happen at. im planning on taking my .338 laupa first sign of entry after shot just dropping the gun literally and should take 1-2 out. hell it goes thru 1 inch steel, have tried it. then 8 shots of buckshot staggered with slug eavery other shot, followed by a modified ps90 if you get the idea with ss190 ammo. and running to next location in less than 7 sec. then next set of weapons same idea different order, i could fail or mabye be ok, who knows, but the difference im faster physically and at the range than most swat officers i have shot with and not bragging im just saying i know my abilities and want you to know yours too. remember to use smarts and wat entrys you have never seen before and come up with your own, imagine swat comes in with 5 guys and yo have 3 5 feet x 4 feet wide steel plates in 3 different locations you can get beind as a barrier, that would throw them off with some tank of gas made into a flame thrower right above the door, that causes confusion. i dont want this to ever every happen to our friends brothers officers, i just hope that the corrupt liberals overall leave us alone. i wish everyone could go home to their special person or even pareants and if you know someone that maybe needs a friend do it make one as long as you can trust them. make someone feel good about themselves. this is a lonely world and we need to bond together not break us apart.

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          • Freight85 says:

            Thanks BRW for summorizing what I’ve been thinking for some time now (except for the whiskey). Were gonna die some day how do you want to go out is the question and its not on my knees.

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          • Anton Hackl says:

            -@BRW-

            “Molon Labe”, brother!

            Always remember, aim small, miss small.

            —make them pay—

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    36. Jeff says:

      It is ironic for Rahm Emanual to call for Chicago’s gangs and criminals to look to their “morals and values”. This is coming from a man who is text book perfect example of a career politician who is totally devoid of a moral compass. He is the one, who stated that you should never let a good crisis go to waste, which just another way using the ends justify the means mentality. And Chicago has a long history of criminal activities and political corruption (dead people voting, and often).

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      • SonOfSam says:

        Rahm “dead fish” Emmanuel is not a particle different from the street thugs he is cozying up to: they are ALL gangsters. That is why he appeals to their “values”, because he SHARES those values!

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    37. lil bit says:

      Chicago cops are out of control. When lil bird told me she had left a party at midnight and not long after, the cops came calling it an illegal party-too big,too loud- and shot Danielle’s dog in the neck, 6 times-because it ‘barked at him’ I almost got sick, it hurt my gut so much.
      Outta fucking control

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      • Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

        There are no real cops in Chicago, just paid political enforcers for the machine.

        I took the test to get on the Chicago Fire Dept. many years ago and passed. Then I was called into a Fire Station and told by a Captain that if I wanted the job, “Return tomorrow with $1,000 in small bills”. I never went back…..that’s the Chicago way!

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    38. VRF says:

      Fact of the matter with me remains

      If they out law guns, I will become an out law.
      right now I play by the rules of my bill of rights and constitution, but if this government changes the rules than so will I.

      I will do nothing to support tyranny

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    39. Anonymous says:

      Gun bans have nothing to do with preventing crime, and everything to do with disarming the people so the Elitists can create a dictatorial state.

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    40. Tomahawk says:

      It’s not about preventing crime, it’s about preventing people from defending themselves against a totalitarian state.

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    41. braveheart says:

      GFG, i hope you’ve already replaced at least some of your guns if not all of them. Patriot One, you’re right on target about never trusting government.Going all the way back to the book of Genesis, not one manmade government has existed on this earth that had good intentions towards the people they controlled. For those who say, “only police should have guns”, check out a book titled “Diall 911 And Die” by attorney Richard W. Stevens. It details the true status of law enforcement in our society along with numerous state and federal supreme court rulings that say police have no obligation to protect citizens. There is no such thing as “police protection” nor is there any such person as a “public servant”; never has been and never will be. Ask anyone in LE bout it; better yet, ask any defense lawyer, prosecutor, or judge. Look the person straight in the eye when you ask them and make a very careful note of what kind of response you get, if any. Gun and ammo sales will now only increase even with the UN treaty staring us in the face. I’m getting another gun this month along with more ammo. I’ll NEVER give up my guns, PERIOD> Take care and keep prepping.

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      • VRF says:

        right on!
        just bought another 200 rounds today, and getting an EOtech tomorrow
        I have a mans “Barbie Doll” to outfit

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        • VRF says:

          the thumbs down probably means they dont know what a ” mans Barbie doll” is

          AR-15

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          • PO'd Patriot says:

            VRF, check out aimpoints T-1. Much longer battery life over a EOtech. The T-1 also weighs much less (ounces DO count)They are very rugged. I currently have a EOtech AR223 on a sig556, has the BDC (bullet drop compensate) reticle and is NV compatible. I’ve got the T-1s gracing AKs and they are smaller in size then the EOtech. The new T-1 has a smaller dot which doesn’t cover up the target that maybe out to 300 yds. Check out pricing on Opticsplanet.com. Great customer service, very good pricing, and usually free shipping.

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    42. AR Sheep Dog says:

      Well stated VRF. I share your sentiments.

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    43. khufhu says:

      When guns are outlawed only cops will have guns

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    44. Merree says:

      It’s a matter of time until we have 3D printers capable of printing guns, then everyone can make one at home. I suspect the law won’t be able to keep up with that.

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      • VRF says:

        Ive seen the capabilities of a 3D printer..it will wow you, and very good chance that once its modified to use alloys, its a done deal on creating any firearm and probably knock it out in a metter of minuets

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    45. king krazy says:

      12,000 gun deaths (approximately) a year in a country of 330,000,000. Tobacco deaths, 440,000. Car accidents about 32,000. You draw your own conclusions.

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      • JustMe says:

        Approximately 225,000 deaths per year, by medical malpractice, over 100,000 of those by big pharma drugs…

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      • Kevin2 says:

        king crazy

        Actually from the FBI Uniform Crime reports the total number of murders is approximately 12000 per year with firearms of all types being accounting for 9000.

        A very high percentage of murder victims socialize and circulate in the criminal environment. Often it’s criminal A killing criminal B or just being in their circles where self control is not their strong suit. Add alcohol and drugs into the mix and bad decisions go up dramatically.

        The bottom line is if you live in civilized circles your chances of being attacked are pretty slim. That being said just because your safe with sources of ignition to prevent fire you still have a smoke alarm. A gun is just wise to have.

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    46. Tomahawk says:

      If guns are outlawed… I will still have my guns.

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    47. Fabian says:

      In Switzerland we voted last year to ban the weapons and we voted no and we kept our weapons. Now, why the heck did you surrender your weapons? You got what you deserved. Don’t come complaining.

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Old story about the Nazi who asked a Swiss gentleman what would happen of the Nazis invaded.

        The Swiss fellow answered “We will all fire our rifles, and then go home”.

        The Nazi countered, “What if we come with twice as many men as you have?”

        The Swiss calmly answered, “then we will all fire our rifles twice”.

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    48. MARY L. HOOKER says:

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        @ Mary the Hooker, There’s still millions of wild animals about. Flashmobs, zombie attacks, Aurora Colorado, Chicago, everyday USA. These animals walk upright, bump shoulders with us on crowded city streets and subway trains, go to church on Sunday morning and then for some reason kill their spouse and children on Sunday evening. I will never willingly disarm and walk amongst them unprotected.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ ML Hooker. It is not just about firearms, it is about freedom. I don’t know if you understand how the constitution works, but as simple as it gets, the constitution is a safety net against tyranny. It does not matter when the constitution was written and what the conditions of the frontier life was like, a person has a right to defend themselves against being injuried, raped, or killed. Non-lethal devices, that are also being outlawed all the time, have a limited range. When someone is being attacked you want to keep as much distance as possible between you and your attacker as possible.

        Hooker, if a rabid Rottweiler just happens to come through your open door and is staring at you across the room, would you not wish you had a loaded gun in your own home to stop this possible deadly threat to you and your family. The inner cities are full of roaming starving dogs, coyotoes, and other feral animals such as even very large dangerous hogs that can gore someone to death. I have relatives in california that say there are coyootes all over the place, including very vicous wild dog packs. So your assessment over times have changed to not warrant gun ownership seems very inaccurate to say the least.

        I see this so often, those that oppose gun ownership never actually face to face with how a firearm, which is a tool, can save a person’s life. There are actually people that are so radicalized that they won’t even consider carrying bear pepper spray in Montana, Canada, or Alaska because it is a weapon. Then when some Grizzly Bear decides to tear off a limb and the person is sitting in some ER room what do they say? I sure wish I had something to stop the bear from ripping my arm and leg off. I see how quickly these radical anti-self defense individuals become the biggest hypocrites after something happens to them or their family members from an attacker that had NO WEAPON, they used their own bodies as a weapon.

        Hooker, next time you are face to face with a large wild animal or some muscle bound very tall weidro pervert that has no weapon, just stick by your anti-self defense stance, it will serve you well.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        Mary Hooker: You wrote “Whats God Think we should do”?

        ANSWER: from JESUS in the NEW TESTAMENT! LUKE chapter22 verse 36…(Christ says) “Let He who has No sword, sell his coat and BUY ONE!”…2000 yrs ago a sword came in Two basic sizes…aprox 12 in long for ease of CONCEALIBILITY, and use in SELF Defense…OR 4ft long Battle sword for Military battles etc….TODAY we have Far better weapong to Replace swords…IE: short-Pistols…LONG Rifles…BOTH are OUR GOD GRANTED RIGHT AND MANDATE TO OWN LADY!!

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    49. Commonsense says:

      Only one gun law is needed, and that is anyone 18 or older with no criminal history is required by LAW to carry a gun!

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    50. NOBODY says:

      It’s the “Well Regulated Militia” Clause that they should pay attention to…Regulated had squat to do with rules…It is all about “REGULATION EQUIPMENT” The Founders wanted We The People to be sporting military grade weapons not weapons for sporting purposes.. target shooting or self defense were the farthest thing from their minds. Read the Declaration Of Independence…
      There is a statement that it is the duty of the people to overthrow a government if it becomes tyrannical. This is what they had in mind… That the people be armed with the same type of weapons that the military had…So that the Government would fear the people not the other way around…Kinda, ya know, “Power to The People”!!!

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    51. Be informed says:

      Like I said before anyone that wants to ban gun ownership and self defense is either:

      A. Part of the crime syndicate, and desiring to empower criminals.
      B. Too incredibly stupid and naive that it is amazing that they can dress themselves and function at all.

      There is no C.

      It irritates me already enough to see these horrible monsters that want to take away a good citizen’s right to own and possess a firearm, but it goes beyond this. These pieces of evil filth and those that have support this evil want to even take away ALL self defense of the innocent. These mongoloids will support fully the evil that wants to remove everything that someone tiny, frail, elderly, or grossly outnumbered can use to defend themselves. The mere thought that any state would outlaw someone having a TASER or a totally non-lethal stun gun is criminal. There are 8 states out of 5o plus D.C. that do just this.

      Everyone that cannot stand BO is not going to get much better in romney has he is from massachusetts, the fearless leader of that state that bans almost as much self defense as new york does. He did nothing to support self defense rights and personally this scares me if he actually did win. BO of course is more frighteing, but romney doesn’t give me much confidence in people retaining their rights to defend themselves. This is besides the point right now.

      The real issue here is that THEY want to not only get rid of guns, THEY want to get rid of every last single weapon you have. THEY empower the evil and the criminal by taking away an innocent person’s right to defend themselves. Having a firearm is totally your right and THEY know that total control is necessary to take away the citizen’s firearms first. Then to exert further control THEY take away anything that a citizen can use besides a firearm to defend themselves, so the citizen now is totally helpless and at the mercy of the state and the criminal.

      The common imbecile bleeding heart has not usually been attacked, beat up, raped, robbed, or had a family member so by some crimianl scum that HAS NO WEAPON AT ALL. I often use the analogy of putting one of these idiots into a situation in which the opponent has NO WEAPON but is much tougher or many more of them. The anti-self defense law does absolutely no good when the idiot that hates guns and every self defense weapon when they are being victimized and have no way of equalizes the assault. Again, having some poor elderly person try to defend themselves and avoid being brutally injuried or killed by some young muscle bound thug is the same as one of these anti-self defense characters face off against a fully grown 200 pound chimpanzee.

      These characters cannot understand this because their brain is spaced out in the unrealistic world of la-la land. This individual has less common reasoning and intelligence than most animals and actually belongs in a zoo for others to point at, under the sign, bleeding heart idiot, please don’t make any sudden noises as can cause uncontrolled wimpering. The politician and the elitist know exactly why they what to take away someone’s self defense, CONTROL of the masses.

      Today they had a comic in the newspaper about “identify the madman”, and it truly showed how totally screwed up how the define someone that enjoys freedom. You had one nut job with the statement, “I want to kill as many people as I can”, the next one had a a radical looking person with a hat with an upside down flag saying” I need 20 assault rifles to feel safe, then some TV preacher saying, “violent enetetainment is Satan’s toll”, then some stary eyed female nut case with a flower in ITS hair saying, “let’s get rid of a;; the guns in the world”, then someone with a cooking pot on his head and a t-shirt with the words The UN is coming saying, “take away my sem-autos and uncle sam will subjugate us”, and finally someone with their hands in their mouth saying, ” things will get better just don’t speak up”. This is just a comic but shows much.

      The general public is being told that remaining quiet and another gun attack will occur. That anyone that sees how THEY are trying to take away people’s freedoms are nut jobs. That not all guns need to be taken away, just let those in pwer have them. That anyone that speaks up against the perversion on the TV and elsewhere is a right wing radical. That someone that has a lot of firearms is dangerous and ready to break. Of course the psycho is accurately depicted. This is the image that even the comic strips are trying to portray of those that cherish freedom and the laws and protections against granted to all people of the United States that a dictator would take away everything that someone has.

      There is some serious mind altering garbage going on that is trying to fool the common idiot into giving up EVERYONE’S right to defend themselves. YES, freedom can be taken away. There are FIRST steps to taking away freedom. Limiting freedoms has a terrible way of gaining momentum like a snowball going down a snowfield on a deep slope. Look at what they can do if enough bleeding heart non functioning almost brain dead characters back it:
      First they take away the right to how many rounds can be contained in a magazine, already have doen this is many states.
      Second they take the semi-automatic ability of a firearm, in other words you have to cock back something to engage another round.
      Third limit the size of cartridge, maybe down from 50 caliber to 38 caliber or less.
      Next they limit the firearms to carry only 6 rounds or less, even in revolvers.
      Next maybe outlaw even revolvers.
      Next only allow single shot firearms.
      Then ban all firearms.
      Then ban all weapons to defend yourself one by one until someone cannot even carry a ball bat.
      Then make it a crime to defend yourself, that only law enforcement can defend you. Don’t think it can happen? In many countries this is approaching this level as citizens are terrified to even carry anything that could be thought of as a weapon. Empower the criminal and the true evil of the state. That might not be the plan with some, but that is ALWAYS the RESULT.

      Mac, this was another good article, but it sure did get me all riled up because ANYONE that wants to take away good honest citizen’s rights to defend themselves are the most rotten most putrid pieces of unfair evil or naive idiots that there is.

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    52. JayJay says:

      http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/ld9fury/1225513712198.gif

      Well, that chart is interesting.
      Must all be liberals in Vermont.

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    53. The Old Coach says:

      Has it been mentioned yet that these mass murders always take place in “Gun Free Zones”?

      BTW I think Mass is worse than NY. Anybody remember the kid who was arrested for bringing an EMPTY cartridge casing to school?

      What happened? When I was a kid (in MA) we used to scurry about on Memorial Day to pick up the empties that were ejected after the Honor Guard had fired its’ salutes. Wanna bet they don’t even have the Memorial Day parade anymore?

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      • lil bit says:

        You know the kind of bullets that were used in the Civil War? Those stone things? I sent one to school with lil bird for their Civil War studies and boy did shtf!!!
        Remember the story about a kid who had a GI Joe plastic toy gun and school officials kept calling it “A GUN!!!!”
        even though it was a tiny plastic toy? Jezzzzz

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    54. copperhead says:

      Right now I am at a lost for words. This country is done plain and simple. All goverments from the bottom to the top is totaly out of control. There is only one way that can save this country is a revelation to throw out all the corrupt goverment levels from bottom to top. There I have said the R WORD. The trouble of a revelation is it will open the doors completely for foreign entity’s to invade this country virtually unopposed, and that my friends is what the NWO wants. They have to rid the world of the USA before they can totally take over. That is why they are pushing us to that point with everything that is happening now. I also think that when the MIDDLE-EAST goes, and that is soon, it might slow them down some. We are truely in a place they call (between a rock and a hard place). I fear that we will soon have to choose the direction that we will have to go. People we need to sit down and really give this some serious thought to what we have before us. Now that I found some words to say. Agian this is my thinking out load. Still prep like there is no tomorow, because there just might be no tomorow.
      LIVE FREE, PRAY TO GOD FOR WISDOM AND GUIDENCE, AND LOVE YOUR FAMILY MORE THAN EVER

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    55. Communist fucking OBAMA says:

      just keep buying ammo each month for decades….just the sales numbers will keep some in check. NEVER TURN IN YOUR GUNS. JOIN THE NRA and other pro gun groups.

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      • SWIFT says:

        @Communist,,,why just join? Why not start a local group? Family, life long friends, no one with a record, no one who uses drugs, no one who constantly runs his/her mouth, absolutely no one “new” to the neighborhood, no one who always seems to have money for projects, no one who advocates violence, no one who covets another’s spouse or friend. It can be done. It can be done properly. And, it can be done without infiltration.

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    56. Be Prepared says:

      Political and bureaucratic whores serve the New World Order agenda by attacking human rights to get people accustomed to being third class citizens. A major crisis looms in the near future and disarmed citizens are much easier to control. Public safety is of no concern to the NWO whores. With enough public descent, their efforts will fail.

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    57. David Aye says:

      Just got my CHL this week!!

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    58. GrayFoxGreen says:

      Greetings Everyone(again)
      Be informed,
      I would like to suggest that there’s a C to your equation.
      C)Planned and created crises nationwide that the LEO are either being equipped to “deal”(I.E.kill citizens at will w\o remorse or punishment)with,or letting thugs run amok(this choice if they want to use the military to “quiet” the thug mobs in that area instead LEO).We no longer have a Republic or even a Democracy.We now have “elected” posers holding power who are themselves beholden to TPTB or as I prefer,The UBER-RICH.Just one example:Drug companies are no longer using cleanliness procedures in making medicines that are unpolluted or tainted.Who’s allowing this to happen?The FDA!The FDA tries to deny and cover-up BIG PHARMA’s mis-deeds when they are discovered.Why? because BIG PHARMA has many ways to show appreciation to the posers when they leave office.This is just one example of how far we have regressed toward the antithesis of any decent form governance.Only the U.R. benefit and prosper under such a system(see China).But,even now the Creator of this lovely planet is watching,taking notice and will act in accord with his own timetable.Meanwhile,we try to do our best to care for our loved ones as we prep.
      Just a few passing thoughts,
      LTR,
      GFG
      P.S.
      I’m still looking for that “spot” in the river….No guns around here!
      GFG

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    59. JayJay says:

      This is precious…a 6 year old tells 10 reasons why not to vote for the fraud!!!

      Liberals Call for Killing of 6 year old Conservative!

      http://patriotupdate.com/27180/left-spews-hateful-comments-at-6-year-old-conservative

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Which fraud? The incumbent or the challenger? Decisions, decisions. Now granted, I get to make a choice this November. Hold my nose and vote for the challenger Oromney or write one in. I’m not picking on Oromney, he appears to be a nice guy. I just don’t line up with his history of decision making on healthcare and firearms while Mass’s. governor. He also made a promise (already) that he would guarantee 4 million new jobs by the end of his first term. Let me see……..I think I just felt the “change” striking me in the back of the head. Take care.

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      • JustMe says:

        The left’s respones to that vid are disgusting. If anyone other than them had made such comments, they would be the laatest “hate speech” of the year. It is sad how far down the toilet the parasites have sunk this country.

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    60. T.R. says:

      The thing these commi meterosexual anti gun people dont get is that gun bans solve NOTHING . Gun controle doesn’t affect the criminal one single bit , why ? well because they are criminals and what is legal is of no concern to them . The only thing gun controle does is tie the hands of the average citizen . Yeah the whackos are still going to do their thing , but they would do it using a car or something else , but they would still do it ……nothing would change .

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    61. Real Deal says:

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America………”WOW”, What can I sauy guys?
      T,Jeff

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    62. scott says:

      Great information Mac!

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    63. Ted Kennedy says:

      I always demand new underware that has been lightly hand washed in spring water.

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    64. Snakebite '76 says:

      The article states: “…If you take away guns from law abiding citizens, the only people with guns will be the criminals.

      Correction. If you take away guns from law abiding citizens, the only people with guns will be the criminals, the miltary, and (so-called) law enforcement.

      The latter is a much more frightening prospect indeed.

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    65. Prepping Preacher says:

      it’s gone way beyond the simple disarmament of the American People… the real issue is take over… add the numbers:
      1 – destroying our 2nd Amendment by ignorant mayoral politicians
      2 – anti-gunner bans on ammo and “certain” firearms
      3 – nwo un firearms “treaties”
      4 – militarization of our “peace officers”
      5 – joint police/military training in US cities

      posse comitatus is officially dead. Worchester, Ma is the latest US city to be “trained” in… read:

      http://www.telegram.com/article/20120802/NEWS/120809847/1116

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    66. pthomas says:

      Governments routinely murder millions

      Here’s a short list of government mass murder carried out throughout history, almost always immediately following the disarmament of the public (and usually involving staged false flag events to justify the disarmament):

      50+ million dead: Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
      12+ million dead: Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) – concentration camps, civilian deaths and dead Russian POWs
      8+ million dead: Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
      6+ million dead: Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)
      5+ million dead: Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)
      2+ million dead: Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-22)
      1.7 million dead: Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)
      1.6 million dead: Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)
      1.5 million dead: Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)
      1 million dead: Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)
      900,000 dead: Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)
      800,000 dead: Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)
      See more at:
      http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

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    67. Nick says:

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      • SonOfSam says:

        Hi there Nick,

        Allow me to quote you

        “Why does any normal law abiding citizen need to hold an automatic weapon such as an AR15, M4, AK47 or anything similar???”

        The answer is simple: THE GUNS YOU ARE REFERRING TO ARE NOT AUTOMATICS!!!!! They are all the civilian versions, which can ONLY fire in semi automatic mode: one trigger pull for every bullet fired. They are not “machine guns” nor are they “assault weapons”.

        Next time, get your facts straight before you start spouting off about what YOU think is “necessary in the hands of private citizens”. Who the hell do you think you are, trying to tell me what to do?

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      • T.R. says:

        Because one of the main reasons our forefathers created the 2nd amendment for the US Constitution was the prevention of Tyranny . They wanted the people to be in a position to defeat or overthrow a tyrant , or a government that was becoming a tyranny ( like ours ) , the fact that the type of arms one should have over the other was left out , and was left out deliberately . Yes if the people want to have one , they should be allowed to . Socialists and Commis are all in favor of strict controle .

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        • T.R. says:

          The US is like any other country in the world , you dont like the way they do things …….DONT LIVE THERE ! but they have every right TO run things the way they want to .

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      • Smokey says:

        So I can’t even hold one, now?

        The only restriction on ownership of firearms beyond what we have now that I will ever support is requiring a nationally valid CCW permit to purchase a firearm. That’s a full background check and should be ‘shall issue’ when you pass.

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        • T.R. says:

          Why ? the criminals are going to CC no matter what , We should have a national Constitutional carry law that says if you have one , you dont need a permit to keep it discrete on your person .

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      • Cameraman says:

        Eh! Bloke AUTOMATIC? your a Wanker Mate, No such thing!
        Semi-Auto One Trigger Pull One Round..By the Bye STFU

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        • Huh? says:

          Cameraman :Hunker down in the Shade,
          Man-Don’t forget:
          46OZ. wayer
          1/2 tsp morton lite salt(Potassium
          1/4 tsp iodine salt
          1/4 tsp baking soda
          1/ Cup sugar

          If you desire,
          kool-aid mi :)

          Shad

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    68. Zorbo says:

      Molon Labe!

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    69. JoeinNC says:

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      • Be informed says:

        @JoeinNC. You seem to have an excessive misconception that preppers and many that own firearms are total irresponsible whackos. If you know most preppers they are much aware of what means missing a target and the bullet going through a couple of walls and hitting an innocent person. Most preppers take owning a gun very seriously and take more added precautions than most people driving their cars, like the idiots texting while driving and not just waiting until they stop to do they business. Believe it or not preppers are some of the safest gun owners there are.

        If someone lives for example in an apartment and a mere wall of some studs and dry wall separate them from their neighbors, there are very safe means of protecting themselves with a firearm. For one it is call shot shells that will go only so far and only so deep into anything. I rather try to stop someone with buckshot, but birdshot will definitely stop a psycho that broke into your home as long as they are not totally covered from head to toe with body armour. All you are trying to do is protect yourself, and thinking of your neighbor if you miss is of course being safe and sane. Banning all firearms because some 65 year old lady that “might” miss and hit an unintended target would be insane.

        I really hope you don’t have preppers into the category of someone that blindly unloads a 20 or 30 round magazine of 4000+ feet per second bullets at some shadow that looks like an intruder in every other direction totally oblivious to all those that live around them. The mere fact that preppers can organize food, water, supplies, and have the insight to keep this for an emergency that 99% of the rest of the population is too naive, too lazy to do, shows an extremely responsible person. This includes usually with respect to firearms.

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      • VRF says:

        Ive owned many guns for over 36 years and not one of them have ever hurt a single person, Im hoping to keep it that way, how often do YOU train? Min. Once a week for me.
        All of my guns are loaded. and ready because a non loaded weapon is more of a threat to me than an unloaded one.

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      • SonOfSam says:

        @JoeinNC:

        so let me get this straight: you would rather have that 65 year old lady completely DEFENSELESS, is that it? Because hey, if the old lady only has a handbag to defend herself with, she won’t hit anyone with a bullet, off target or not, right?

        You sir, are a disgrace to the entire state of North Carolina, and to thinking people everywhere

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    70. escrimador says:

      JustMe, your comment about is completely false.

      Oregon does not have a duty to retreat law and by law it is not required to retreat. In Oregon if you believe your life or the life of another is immediate danger of serious injury or death you may exercise deadly force to STOP the attacker and protect yourself.

      Get a life and get a clue!

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      • JustMe says:

        I looked up the law, you are not required to “retreat”, and I stand corrected. However, if you use dealy force the burden of proof is on you.

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    71. Smokey says:

      Joe, stop bringing straw men to gunfights.

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    72. braveheart says:

      Satori: If an earthquake hits Iran and destroys all of their nuclear facilities, there won”t be any need to attack that country and maybe we could avoid WW3.

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    73. glacialhills says:

      It was a real wake up call the last few years for them when all the congressmen went home to their “constituents” and saw how angry their “citizens” were at what they were doing.Having to cancel townhall meetings and such for their own safety was their canary in the coalmine moment.

      You think all the new laws, DHS ramping up with ammo and riot gear and checkpoint booths and the unprecedented executive orders are coincidental? They see us finally waking up and not swallowing their crap hook,line and sinker anymore and are preparing for the showdown, are you?

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    74. Nailbender says:

      Totally Off Subject: I live in NE OK and there is currently a wildfire destroying homes and pastures. The fire has resulted in a loss of electrical power in most of the hardest hit areas. This is a perfect example of why to prep and prepare. Numerous people are looking for information on loved ones, most apparently had no alternate bug out plan and are subsequently loosing everything. Those not living in the area but have family in the area up in arms complaining that the media wont help by covering the story. It is literally chaos, and the residents had a full day if not a day and a half to prepare. Everybody is counting on someone else to take care them as far as info, assistance, shelter, water, food, clothing. I have more concerns than ever about what will happen when the SHTF.

      The situation is best described as a society of children that have lost their parents. These people are at a loss for answers you can see it in there faces and hear it in there voices.

      If you have not started prepping, it’s not to late. Start small, the LDS website has an excellent year long plan for gathering and storing preps.

      Just remember, that in a true emergency YOU become your own Police, Fire and EMS. Not to mention that your family will still count in you for the basics.

      I’ll simply ask you this, had this been an explosion, chemical spill, or even a fire in your neighborhood, ARE YOU READY?

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    75. DPS says:

      My old grandpa said to me ‘Son, there comes a time in every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
      take an ass whoopin.’

      I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

      I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

      I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

      I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

      I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

      I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

      I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
      somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

      I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

      I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

      I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

      I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

      Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police
      do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

      Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin’…..**********************************************

      A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

      In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929
      to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      ——————————

      In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ——————————

      Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
      ——————————

      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      ——————————

      Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable
      to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      —- ————- ————-

      Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      ——————————

      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      —————————–

      Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
      ——————————

      You won’t see this
      data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

      Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

      Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

      The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

      With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

      If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends.

      The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final
      weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

      SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
      SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT’S A NO BRAINER! DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

      I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward.
      I urge everyone to send this to everybody on your e-mail list.

      DPS

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      • Be informed says:

        @ DPS. All I can say is, very excellent post, fantastic job of writing.

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        • DPS says:

          Be informed,

          I wish I could take credit for writing that, but I can’t. It was passed to me 2 or 3 years ago and I still send it.

          DPS

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          • Be informed says:

            @ DPS. Thank goodness that there are still people out there like yourself that constantly remind us all that freedom is much too much taken for granted. When people forget, those that want to destroy liberties can chip away at it easier. Those in high control positions know that the ability for someone to defend themselves goes hand in hand with how quickly and how easily they can gain complete control. Most preppers know this, but the masses don’t and soon forget history that continues to repeat itself over and over again like a carousel.

            It is pathetic that so many have to be relentlessly reminded of the dangers of freedoms slipping away, but you do what must be done. Even if you didn’t write it, you continue to do the good work that this was meant to do by continuing to send it. Two thumbs up!

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      • VRF says:

        Amen DPS

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      • Smokey says:

        Great post, DPS. Only one thing wrong with it. The numbers are too low. In China, for example, the peasants were unable to possess arms even before the Communists. That meant warlords ruled cities and provinces, and millions killed or starved. When the Communists came, they liquidated the propertied landlord class, families and all. most estimates are up to 100 million dead.

        Don’t forget the USA. Bill Ayres, the President’s own political guru, says 25 million Americans will need to be killed, so these scumbags can have their American Dystopia.

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    76. VRF says:

      LUTHER, Okla.fire destroyed nearly five dozen homes and other buildings in and around Luther before firefighters were able to gain some measure of control overnight. Video from news helicopters showed orange-bright flames flickering in the darkness, and daybreak Saturday revealed a broad path of destruction

      My heart goes out to you people, fire is so devistating, im not even going to say anything about the name of the town

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    77. kevin says:

      A 3.5 minute video “firearm negligence”, the little kid shooting the guy in the first scene is the most graphic.

      “guns dont hurt people, people hurt people”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et33bbA0GeM&feature=related

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    78. Shadownmss says:

      I am glad I live in Indiana. You can get your lifetime concealed carry permit for $125.00 by simply filling out the form and making a trip to the Sheriff’s Office. We have a stand your ground law and earlier this year Governor Mitch Daniels signed Senate Enrolled Act 1 into law in Indiana. The new law allows citizens to use deadly force against police officers they think are illegally entering their homes. In the rural community that I live in, it is not a question of IF their is a gun in the house the question is how many and what caliber.

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    79. Nexus789 says:

      The erosion of your freedom has more to do with owning peoples minds and much less to do with guns. Educating yourself about the rise of Nazi Germany would help. Gun control in Nazi Germany is a myth. What is more important is that Nazis were…’master manipulators of popular emotion and sentiment, and were disdainful of people thinking for themselves. There is the danger to which we should pay great heed. Not fanciful stories about Nazi’s seizing guns’. (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html)

      The statistics related to global gun ownership (these can be confirmed via multiple sources) do not bear out the hype about being ‘tooled up’. It has been shown that countries with high levels of gun ownership and poor gun control have high levels of gun death related to homicide but more importantly suicide.

      For instance Switzerland has a low death rate due to gun related homicides (rich society so less robberies is more the truth) but a high suicide rate due to the accessibility of guns. The US has the highest death rates from gun homicide and suicide of any Western country. This does not include all those killed through gun accidents.

      Gun deaths per 100,000 of population related to homicide (this does not include suicide, accidents):

      Columbia – 49
      South Africa – 23
      US – 3.92
      Switzerland – 0.93
      Canada – 0.69
      Germany – 0.33
      France – 0.28
      Australia – 0.27
      UK – 0.10
      Japan – 0.03

      I live in Australia and I would point out that the total of numbers of gun death have been falling. They were falling even before the Australian Government’s gun ‘buyback’ scheme. With the buyback scheme the numbers of gun related suicides has also fallen.

      The powers that be don’t care if you have guns. They are better organised, have more and bigger guns and most importantly control the media and peoples minds (aka Nazi Germany).

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      • Kevin2 says:

        NEXUS789

        “Gun control in Nazi Germany is a myth.”

        It’s no myth.

        Read the NAZI Weapons Law of 1938.

        “The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to “…persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit.”

        “Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition”

        “The powers that be don’t care if you have guns.”

        They absolutely do care. What they don’t care about is you. If they did they would go after the most likely causes of death in the US. Doctors loose their licenses to practice in one state in the US only to legally practice in another while preventable medical mistakes claim approximately 100,000 lives annually. In the meantime rifles of all types including semi auto account for approximately 350 murders per year. Drugs cross the US southern border that is so unguarded that up to one million people per year cross into the US illegally. So much for fighting terrorism.

        “They are better organised, have more and bigger guns”

        They have bigger guns but the US civilians have approximately 100 million firearms. If big guns were exclusive to winning wars against civilians the US would not have fled Vietnam. If bigger guns won wars against civilians Afghanistan would we wrapped up. Actually if bigger guns won wars against civilians the sun would still set on the British Empire 24 hours per day. Oh didn’t Great Britain disarm Ireland when her citizens wanted independence? Was that for the noble effort of suicide or stopping crime? Did the USSR (highly organized, complete media control) disarm it’s civilians to make nice nice before shipping them off to slave labor camps and starving to death or outright executing about 20 million of them?

        “more importantly suicide”

        Your actually quite funny with the suicide thing. So Uncle Sam wants to help the upset people that may commit suicide and to facilitate that they want to relieve them of their gun but in the meantime put them in poverty by shipping their employment to third world save labor nations. WOW, some convoluted logic there if there ever was some.

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        • Kevin2 says:

          NEXUS789

          The idea that the indigenous Jewish population could not have posed a lot of resistance to the NAZI’s flies in the face of historical record with the Bielski partisans. Why were the Jews specifically forbidden from possessing arms if they were no threat armed?

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          • Merree says:

            I seem to remember that Russia had a number of gun clubs before WWII and these trained shooters were a decisive factor in the Battle of Stalingrad. The number of snipers who could shoot and disappear were major contributors to driving the Germans back. I guess this shows the benefits of armed and trained civilians.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        NEXUS789

        “The US has the highest death rates from gun homicide and suicide of any Western country.”

        Here is the suicide rates of nations. Notice we’re #41. Do you just invent “facts” as you go? Oh I just can’t seem to see a relationship between guns and suicide considering many of the high suicide countries have either outright gun bans or extremely restrictive ownership laws for civilians with low rates of firearm possession.

        Suicides per 100,000 people per year[2]

        Rank Country Male Female Total Year
        1 Lithuania 61.3 10.4 34.1 2009
        2 South Korea[3] (more info) 41.4 21.0 31.2 2010
        3 Guyana 39.0 13.4 26.4 2006
        4 Kazakhstan 43.0 9.4 25.6 2008
        5 Belarus[4][5] 25.3 2010
        6 Hungary[6] 40.0 10.6 24.6 2009
        7 Japan (more info)[7] 33.5 14.6 23.8 2011
        8 Latvia 40.0 8.2 22.9 2009
        9 People’s Republic of China [8]
        (more info) 22.23 2010
        10 Slovenia 34.6 9.4 21.9 2009
        11 Sri Lanka[9] 21.6 1996
        12 Russia[10] 21.4 2011
        13 Ukraine 37.8 7.0 21.2 2009
        14 Serbia and Montenegro 28.4 11.1 19.5 2006
        15 Estonia 20.6 7.3 18.1 2008
        16 Switzerland 24.8 11.4 18.0 2007
        17 Croatia 28.9 7.5 17.8 2009
        18 Belgium[note 1][6] 26.5 9.3 17.6 2009
        19 Finland[11] 27.2 8.6 17.6 2010
        20 Moldova 30.1 5.6 17.4 2008
        21 France 26.4 7.2 16.2 2008
        22 Uruguay 26.0 6.3 15.8 2004
        23 South Africa[12] 25.3 5.6 15.4 2005
        24 Austria 23.8 7.1 15.2 2009
        25 Poland 26.4 4.1 14.9 2008
        26 Hong Kong 19.0 10.7 14.6 2009
        27 Suriname 23.9 4.8 14.4 2005
        28 Czech Republic 23.9 4.4 14.0 2009
        29 New Zealand[13] 20.3 6.5 13.2 2008
        30 Sweden 18.7 6.8 12.7 2008
        31 Cuba 19.0 5.5 12.3 2008
        32 Bulgaria 18.8 6.2 12.3 2008
        33 Romania 21.0 3.5 12.0 2009
        34 Norway 17.3 6.5 11.9 2009
        35 Denmark 17.5 6.4 11.9 2006
        36 Ireland 19.0 4.7 11.8 2009
        37 Bosnia and Herzegovina 20.3 3.3 11.8 1991
        38 Canada 17.3 5.4 11.3 2004
        39 Iceland[14] 17.9 4.5 11.3 2009
        40 Chile 18.2 4.2 11.1 2007
        41 United States (more info) 19.0 4.9 11.8 2008
        42 Trinidad and Tobago 17.9 3.8 10.7 2006
        43 India (more info) 13.0 7.8 10.5 2009
        44 Singapore 12.9 7.7 10.3 2006
        45 Slovakia[6] 19.8 1.9 10.3 2009
        46 Australia[15] 14.9 4.5 9.7 2009
        47 Germany[6] 15.1 4.4 9.5 2009
        48 Kyrgyzstan 14.1 3.6 8.8 2009
        49 Turkmenistan 13.8 3.5 8.6 1998
        50 Netherlands [6] 12.0 5.0 8.5 2009
        51 Republic of Macedonia[6] 12.6 3.9 8.0 2009
        52 El Salvador 12.9 3.6 8.0 2008
        53 Portugal[6] 13.2 3.4 7.9 2008
        54 Zimbabwe 10.6 5.2 7.9 1990
        55 Luxembourg[6] 13.2 2.9 7.8 2008
        56 Thailand 12.0 3.8 7.8 2002
        57 Argentina 12.6 3.0 7.7 2008
        58 Spain 11.9 3.4 7.6 2008
        59 Puerto Rico 13.2 2.0 7.4 2005
        60 Ecuador 10.5 3.6 7.1 2009
        61 United Kingdom 10.9 3.0 6.9 2009
        62 Mauritius 11.8 1.9 6.8 2008
        63 Iran[16] 7.6 5.1 6.4 2001
        64 Italy 10.0 2.8 6.3 2007
        65 Costa Rica 10.2 1.9 6.1 2009
        66 Israel[17] 9.9 2.1 5.8 2007
        67 Nicaragua 9.0 2.6 5.8 2006
        68 Panama 9.0 1.9 5.5 2008
        69 Colombia 7.9 2.0 4.9 2007
        70 Brazil 7.7 2.0 4.8 2008
        71 Uzbekistan 7.0 2.3 4.7 2005
        72 Seychelles 8.9 0.0 4.6 2008
        73 Georgia 7.1 1.7 4.3 2009
        74 Albania[18] 4.7 3.3 4.0 2003
        75 Mexico 6.8 1.3 4.0 2008
        76 Turkey[19] 5.36 2.50 3.94 2008
        77 Bahrain 4.0 3.5 3.8 2006
        78 Belize 6.6 0.7 3.7 2008
        79 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 5.4 1.9 3.7 2008
        80 Paraguay 5.1 2.0 3.6 2008
        81 Cyprus[6] 5.9 1.3 3.6 2009
        82 Guatemala 5.6 1.7 3.6 2008
        83 Barbados 7.3 0.0 3.5 2006
        84 Greece 6.1 1.0 3.5 2009
        85 Malta 5.9 1.0 3.4 2008
        86 Venezuela 5.3 1.2 3.2 2007
        87 Tajikistan 2.9 2.3 2.6 2001
        88 Saint Lucia 4.9 0.0 2.4 2005
        89 Dominican Republic 3.9 0.7 2.3 2005
        90 Philippines 2.5 1.7 2.1 1993
        91 Armenia 2.8 1.1 1.9 2008
        92 Kuwait 1.9 1.7 1.8 2009
        93 The Bahamas 1.9 0.6 1.2 2005
        94 Jordan 0.0 0.0 1.1 2009
        95 Peru 1.1 0.6 0.9 2000
        96 São Tomé and Príncipe 0.0 1.8 0.9 1987
        97 Pakistan [20] 3.4 0.5 0.88 2012
        98 Azerbaijan 1.0 0.3 0.6 2007
        99 Maldives 0.7 0.0 0.3 2005
        100 Jamaica 0.3 0.0 0.1 1990
        101 Syria 0.2 0.0 0.1 1985
        102 Egypt 0.1 0.0 0.1 2009
        103 Grenada 0.0 0.0 0.0 2008
        104 Honduras 0.0 0.0 0.0 1978
        105 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
        106 Antigua and Barbuda 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
        107 Haiti 0.0 0.0 0.0 2003

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      • Mr. T says:

        Nexus789, you must be joking with that bullshit! Where the hell did you pull that bogus data from the Brady Gun Ban organization? Stop smoking that weed and start getting back to reality. Your premise that gun ownership causes suicide is like saying forks are responsible for obesity! Wake up and start thinking for yourself and stop regurgitating what your Liberal masters tell you to. Personally I think your a troll!

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    80. slingshot says:

      I do not know why we have to fight so hard to keep what is garrenteed by Our Constitution. If those individuals do not like it, they should move to another country. Another thing is that they move from an area they contaminated with all sorts of taxes and laws that they created and can not stand it any longer. Then after they move to the new state, they feel they have to have they same laws and taxes they fled. If you don’t like guns or the death penalty, just stay where your are.
      I’m tired of the parents of the murderer, saying he was a good boy, when he has a wrap sheet as long as your arm. Try them in a court of law. Convict them with DNA and hard evidence and then have public executions. Yes, show the younger generation this is what happens to you if you do evil. They play video games that are just as gory as real life. Let’s give them the real thing.
      The way to kill the “GUN ISSUE” is take away “CRIME”.
      Burglars, Rapists, Murderers, Child Molesters and many more would die under my laws. You do the crime, You don’t get “TIME”. No medical, dental or schooling or other so called, Rehabilitation for you. We have more people in jail than any other civilised country. Why is that? Repeat offenders think it’s a country club with a badge of honor to put another tattoo on thier face.
      Again. Why do we have to Defend something that is already garrenteed by the Constitution.

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    81. VRF says:

      I found this quote,
      and I feel it has merrit

      we maybe fighting a war within our own Republic (country)
      before most of us 40 somethings will see our grand children grow up..and maybe even sooner

      “This is the ultimate mission creep. The Pentagon bright boys understand that we’re not going to have the money anymore to project force overseas so they’re planning to fight in the one place that doesn’t require it: ‘the Homeland’”

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      • VRF says:

        and what better way than to do what they will without resistance, would be to disarm us..or maybe to not disarm us so they have an all out war here..two schools of thought to ponder

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    82. VRF says:

      At least some Pentagon planners are considering how to wage “anti-insurrectionary” operations against that class of folks that Obama sneeringly referred to as “the bitter clingers.” That such military tyranny would be both a violation of their Constitutional oaths and treason seems not bother Benson and his ilk a whit. Thus, if the Pentagon is going to consider us potential enemies, we must give some thought to the application of Fourth Generation Warfare techniques in righteous self-defense against tyranny.

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    83. Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

      I sold the last of my “Assault Rifles” this week. 2 Bushmaster AR’s, 6K ammo and all the mags. Like my wife said, I’m not a SWAT Team.

      Now Schmucky Schmumer will love me again, I hope (sarcasm)

      FYI, I retained a 30-30 and a Mossberg 835, plus acouple of Glock 19′s. So the bad guys still better not come around.

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      • its not me says:

        dam, wish you woulda let me in on that sale, I am a force to be reconned with, so this would have armed my wife and daughter as much as I.. we arnt SWAT either, but we arnt going to go silently into the night or day.
        Im not concerned to be like swat or any other military division, but guns jam, and shit breaks and wears out, spare or at the ready weapons are opsec for me.

        Not sure if you were just being sarcastic.

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    84. Nantan Lupan (Grey Wolf) says:

      No sarcasm. Low profile
      G19′s for protection. 835 for meat on the table. 30-30 for deer, but can’t be considered a sniper weapon.

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    85. Satori says:

      seems almost made to order for the gun control crowd
      this will undoubtedly increase their demands

      mass shooting at Sikh temple in Wisconsin

      http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-breaks-sikh-temple-wisconsin-witnesses-171142261.html

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    86. $ COCOPUFF CRACKHEAD $ says:

      bummer … their shootin the wrong dress wearin towel head brown people again

      bunch of fedgov cia fbi nsa mossad zionist dummies

      definitely nsa cia fbi zionist mossad fedgov false-fag

      there will be more ALOT MORE , PREPARE PREPPER PEEPLES

      it will keep happening till

      TAX DEBT SLAVE goyim gentile peeple are screaming in the street for gun control

      its their fedgov cia zionist disarmed amerika plan

      to wage war upon the amerikan tax debt goyim gentile slaves by ways of deception mk-ultra cia mass shootin style !!!

      arm up stock up prepare for more fedgov cia mossad zionist false-fag’s and gun grabbin martial law prepper peeples !!!

      GAME ON PREPPERS !!!

      LOCK N LOAD !!!

      ~N.O.

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      • $ cocopuff crackhead $ says:

        DON’T SHOOT !!! TILL YA’ SEE THE NWO FAGGY BLUE U.N. HELMETS ROLLIN DOWN YOUR STREET !!!

        Don’t be surprised if they’re British Russian and Chinese troops who’ve come to secure their ameriKan nwo global war debt purchased millions of acres of ameriKan interior lands – They literally own ameriKa now !!!

        you’ve all been sold-out into global debt slavery for eternity by your own state traitors in congress and the kenyan born cia manchurian commie puppet in the big zionist fascist commie white house .

        ~N.O.

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    87. Satori says:

      hmmm
      12 million Americans are sociopaths

      http://www.blacklistednews.com/12_Million_Americans_Are_Sociopaths/20860/0/38/38/Y/M.html

      most of them are politicians,bankers or Wall Street types
      that would be my guess anyway !

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    88. Satori says:

      Israeli Defense Force calling up reserves ?????

      http://warsclerotic.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/idf-calling-up-reserves/

      so far unsubstantiated

      but things could be heating up

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    89. I am trying diligently to find and buy the new Colt LE 901……..if anyone can help me I would appreciate it. I will drive a good distance to purchase if I have to. It is already on back order on every internet site and it is supposed to hit shelves this month according to a Colt rep I talked to on the phone this last week.

      If I miss a reply on here to me (this new style Mac has really is hard to keep up with replies IMO)send me an email to lewisekle2@yahoo.com put Colt LE901 in subject.

      Thanks

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        BJ, try gunbroker.com. If you can’t find it there, go online and google up the gun. It’ll direct you to a gun shop that has one. You can purchase it and then get a local gun shop near you to bring it in and do the paperwork for a small fee. Its probably going to be the only way you’ll find one if your local shops are out. The gun is relatively new so they’re gonna be hard to find.

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      • its not me says:

        Nice, what do they go for?
        that is if you can score one..got any idea on the price tag BJ

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        • 2095.00 But I just learned that there is a military on CM something? a LEO one which is the LE901 and a civilian one which is SP901. One site allowed me to be notified when they get a LE901 one in….but I am not a LEO, so not sure why they even allowed me to sign up for notification. This site has the LE at 2095.00$ and the SP at 2012.00$

          It’s a lot for me to spend, but I’ll do it in a heartbeat for this gun……it’s really two rifles in one

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    90. its not me says:

      Let me first say, I dont know if this is true or not, or if doing this or going along with this will open you up to being monitored, or mined. I copied this information to diseminate here incase there is more to it, or if it could be vetted out to be true or not.
      Any insight on this ?

      A massive data-mining virus named “Flame” has been detected in computers in the Middle East, particularly in Iran. It’s the first virus found with the added ability to spread wirelessly by attaching itself to Bluetooth-enabled devices. Once there, it can trace and steal information stored on those devices. The program also contains a “microbe” command that can activate any microphone within the device and record audio files

      The NSA is building a massive spy center in Bluffdale, Utah, which will intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast amounts of the world’s communications–both foreign and domestic

      As of the first week of June, Google will warn you when it picks up activity on your computer account that looks suspiciously like state-sponsored monitoring of your computer activities

      To re-secure your account, Google recommends creating a unique password that includes a mix of capital letter, lowercase letters, punctuation marks and numbers; enable 2-step verification; and update your browser, operating system, plugins, and document editors

      Due Diligence:
      New Revelations about the Links Between Flame and Stuxnet
      Spy Central: Utah
      Google Also in the Privacy News
      The Next Big War Zone = the Internet
      If Squelching In formation Freedom Doesn ‘t Work, What’s Next?
      Without Online Freedom, You Cannot Exercise Health Freedom
      Don’t Be Fooled–Internet Security Bills are Likely Nothing of the Sort ( Politics anyone ? )

      Sources and References:
      ———————————————————————————–

      New York Times July 13, 2012

      1 New York Times June 3, 2012
      2 The Verge June 11, 2012
      3 InformationWeek Security June 11, 2012
      4 Wired March 15, 2012
      5 See ref 4
      6 New York Times Blogs June 5, 2012
      7 Google Online Security blog June 5, 2012
      8 Campaign for Liberty June 2012
      9 Business Insider April 24, 2012
      10 Activist Post June 17, 2012
      11 US Department of Defense Non-Lethal Weapons Program
      12 RT News April 4, 2012
      13 International Business Times April 26, 2012

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    91. copperhead says:

      FALSE FLAG #2 just went up the pole I think. FBI said DOMESTIC TERRORISM in WIS. They were quick to label it, he worked for them so they knew what to call it. One or two more events is in the works very soon. I think with congress on a well needed vaction(lol), look for an EO about some kind of gun control before they get back to work(?). TPTB is setting up this country fast now for the BIG PARTY TO START. Like a very wise man said ” hold on to your sets they are fixing the streets”. DEAR PEOPLE use your time and resources wisely in the coming days. Sit down with whoever you have to, finish your plans on what you are going to do, and PRAY FOR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE! Get your mind set and stay steady no matter what comes your way. Thats just me.
      LIVE FREE and STAND TALL

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      • JayJay says:

        Locals weren’t involved in this one–they didn’t get the memo.
        Took 10 minutes after church member called to get law there..hmmmm.

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    92. PO'd Patriot says:

      Looks like the feds are unleashing their “sleepers”. Folks this could be your last call to get stocked up on ammo and whatever your flavor is on firearms. It seems indeed that the devil is going about like that of a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

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    93. don't tread says:

      The “cold hard facts” are staring us directly in the face. Disarming the citizens is the last step before instituting the NWO. It won’t happen at once, except through steps under martial law. We can accept gun bans, or we can “ban” together to oppose tyranny. I prefer the latter.

      Last week, Israel gave a warning to the Iranian people for a twelve week “window” for which they have an opportunity to prepare for an attack against their nuclear arsenal. In other words, I think they were saying: We are going to bomb hell out of you so let a word to the wise be sufficient and get the hell away from military installations. “If”, this does come to pass, it will bring about world chaos and the beginning of WWIII. In the midst of a “crisis”, TPTB will try to disarm us citizens.

      ….”History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.”
      ― Adolf Hitler

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    94. kevin says:

      Venezuela Bans Sales of Firearms and Ammunition

      BBC | JUNE 1, 2012

      “Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company.

      Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer.

      The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October”

      “Until now, anyone with a gun PERMIT…….”

      So they already had gun control going, because only people with a “permit” could buy one.

      “anyone”=with the money to buy it.

      Gee, gun controls not working, lets try even more.

      Our so called leaders are a JOKE, just like those a$$ clown running venezuelia!!!!!!!!

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    95. clint hospo says:

      Last post about overpowering your attacker or bad police at time trying to disarm you. 1 Wear earplugs and make sure you always know exactly where your family is at all times everytime. Once that door gets broken into I don’t want you to even hesitate or even try to makeout a facial check. That half a sec or 1 sec pause can make the difference of you living or dying. 2. always have lead or special tipped carbide bullets you can make flying in sequence just like they teach in military shooting. Don’t empty your rounds all at once stay controlled shots and once your done your shooter friend can keep shooting and listen to the rounds and always know how many you have shot. swat teams are trained that way and so are we. The min you are not organized is when your whole plan will fall to pieces. go to the shooting ranges and practice whoever is training with you. Dont let emotions get you either, if you are shooting to protect your home and your son or friend goes down you must take out the threat before you stop to check on them. Then min you take your focus off your target the min your all done so do not make this mistake. you can triage your family once the threat is done. you know what im saying. be disaplined. sorry about my spelling

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    96. “. always have lead or special tipped carbide bullets you can make flying in sequence just like they teach in military shooting”

      Could you explain this in more detail? Thanks

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    97. KY Mom says:

      After defeat of Senate cybersecurity bill, Obama weighs executive-order option

      (thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/242227-with-defeat-of-cybersecurity-bill-obama-weighs-executive-order-option)

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    98. copperhead says:

      Hey boys and girls. TPTB are sitting up everyone but the select few as not stable enough to own guns. Now this lame brain has been tied to the ARMY phy-ops unit, see like they said look out for VETS. All preper’s are not right in the head too. So the POTUS must do something right now to put all these unstable people under control, before someone else gets hurt. WE have to disarm the mass’s, they can not have any kind of reasonable thought or they would not want guns or anything like that. For their own protection the POTUS must open the camps to try and re-educate them in the way they should act, and think. The SH-T is going to happen real fast now.There will be more shootings and or bombings, and these will be tied to surivial groups, para-miliary, anti-goverment people. Mark my words this is coming and coming fast! TPTB must take total control soon, before the lights start going on in more people’s minds, Big O is going to issue an EO controling the inter-net soon so sites like this and many more will go away. Only their propaganda will be out there, but you know what is so sad, MOST OF THE SHEEPLE will says it’s OK they were crazy anyway, now where is the dancing with the stars, my professinal sports etc. LONG LIVE FREE MINDED PEOPLE, BUT THEY ARE BECOMING EXTINCT!
      THE FAT LADY IS WAKING ON STAG RIGHT NOW
      LIVE FREE- STAND TALL IN YOUR BELIEFS- AND WHEN THEY
      COME SHOW THEM WHERE THEY GOT IT!!!

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    99. Kevin2 says:

      If anyone wants to get facts go to the Uniform Crime reports from the Department of Justice.

      Here is a tidbit top fire back (pun intended) when an Australian or someone else says, “We cracked down on guns and the murder rate dropped”. We we in the Us didn’t and here are the numbers.

      Murders in 1990 23,440 rate 9.4 per 100,000 people
      Murders in 2010 14,748 rate 4.8 per 100,000 people

      In 1990 about 12 states we’re “Shall Issue” with carry permits.
      in 2010 43 states are “Shall Issue” with carry permits.

      In 1990 about 450 people / yr we’re murdered with a rifle of any type
      In 2010 about 350 People / yr we’re murdered with a rifle of any type

      In 1990 the population was 248 million
      In 2010 the population is 308 million

      One cannot conclude with any logic that an increase in guns has contributed to an increase in murders. Actually it appears that the inverse has taken place. Regardless the rate of murder has reduced by half in the last 15 years. Many speculate regarding the reasons. Regardless one fact cannot be disputed. A significant increase in gun ownership and a tremendous increase in the issuance of carry permits did not accompany an increase in murders.

      So “fire back” that the murder rate in the US has dropped by almost 50% in the last 15 years while more law abiding people carry a firearm.

      “Just the facts Mam…..Dragnet”

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      • don't tread says:

        Good info, K…2. The numbers speak for themselves. An “armed” citizen is an “un harmed citizen”. We must fight against these stupid liberals at all cost. I for one, will die with my gun in my hand, if provoked. Don’t come looking to take my way of self defense, cause I am ready to die. As a child of the living God, Woe be unto the fool that takes my life over trying to disarm this christian.

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    100. Kevin2 says:

      don’t tread

      I’m as pro Bill of Rights in general and Second Amendment in specific as one could be. That being said I don’t know how much of an impact Shall Issue has had on lowering crime. Once again keep in mind I have a few carry licenses myself. More carry permits have been issued and crime dropped. However the demographics changed too with their being less youth today. Less people in the high crime age equals less crime. Obviously something is up there when other nations without a significant armed civilian population have experienced a drop also.

      What cannot be debated and is supported by evidence from government sources is the law abiding nature of permit holders. Florida is indicative of this trend with 2 million permits issued and 168 revoked for a crime in which a gun is utilized.

      One can assume that some crime is inhibited because the intended victim is armed. How much is unknown. Regardless we are not part of the problem and are probably a contributor to the solution.

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    101. Mr. T says:

      About 12 years ago I was forced to defend my family with a firearm against a person trying to break into my house. It was 3am and my wife woke me up frantic telling me that someone was trying to break into our house through a bathroom window. I had my hunting rifle in my bedroom closet with a loaded magazine on the closet shelf. I told my wife to call 911 as I calmly went to the closet and pulled my rifle from its gun case and I inserted the magazine into the rifle. I proceeded to walk down the hallway to the bathroom; I peaked around the corner and could hear someone trying to remove the screen from the window. I extended the rifle out in front of the bathroom door and cycled the action to load a round into the action. It made a very loud audible and understandable sound to the person trying to break in. Needless to say that took off running. The police arrived in under 3 minutes…impressively quick…I couldn’t believe it. However when seconds count the cops were still minutes away and the bathroom was 10 feet away from my then baby daughters bedroom. The point being…my firearm and my actions saved my family from further violence and I lived in a very quiet and seemingly safe neighborhood. Criminals target those areas because people there are usually peaceful and law abiding citizens! Crime doesn’t discriminate and having the ability to defend one’s self and their loved ones is a God Given right and can not and should not be taken away by any government that considers itself free and democratic. Gun control laws do nothing but create more victims and encourage a government to enslave its people. “Shall not be infringed” is a clear message for even the simplest of minds to comprehend and our Constitution guarantees it to our citizens. Violent acts of criminals or those who are mentally unstable will always exist regardless of the amount of gun laws we have; the right to defend ourselves against such violence comes from a higher power other than our own government and that too will always exist. Those souls who are willing to trade freedom for security shall have neither. That being said we still live in a “free” society and we have to start taking responsibility for ourselves and our own security!

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    102. Robby Boy says:

      Try joining a patriot group who is trying to legally change the system. It may be one way we can put some pressure on them to stop the nonsense.

      givemeliberty.org comes to mind.

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