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    Bringing WiFi Connectivity To Your Off Grid Home: “We Can Do It Ourselves”

    Mac Slavo
    January 9th, 2016
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    This off grid couple faced a dilemma – their hard earned sustainable life is supported by income earned from the Internet, yet they worked so hard to get away from it all.

    Until they figured out this solution, they were driving back to civilization several times a week to work in cafes and other access points.

    Now, Nick and Esther have connected with a rural wifi provider using a line-of-sight pole mounted with a wireless receiver. Ethernet cable is then run underground into their off grid home.

    Via the Fouch-o-matic Off Grid channel on YouTube:

    While the technological solution isn’t exactly purist for homesteaders, it reflects a practical way in which more and more rural people will be able to keep in touch with the Internet while living the off-grid, homestead or prepper lifestyle that they have worked to so hard to create and sustain.

    Several rural communities in Europe and the United States have begun creating their own Internet service, allowing autonomy and self-reliance with web access in areas that most ISPs see no corporate benefit from providing service to.

    Michael Krieger reported:

    I covered some of these in the 2013 post: Meet The Meshnet: A New Wave of Decentralized Internet Access

    Faced with a local ISP that couldn’t provide modern broadband, Orcas Island residents designed their ownnetwork and built it themselves. The nonprofit Doe Bay Internet Users Association (DBIUA), founded by Sutton, Brems, and a few friends, now provide Internet service to a portion of the island. It’s a wireless network with radios installed on trees and houses in the Doe Bay portion of Orcas Island. Those radios get signals from radios on top of a water tower, which in turn receive a signal from a microwave tower across the water in Mount Vernon, Washington.


    Faced with CenturyLink service that was slow and outage-prone, residents gathered at a community potluck and lamented their current connectivity.

    “Everyone was asking, ‘what can we do?’” resident Chris Brems recalls. “Then [Chris] Sutton stands up and says, ‘Well, we can do it ourselves.’”


    The future may look pretty bleak in most respects, but if the system doesn’t totally collapse, America may see a worthwhile resettlement and resurgence among some very bright and determined freedom lovers who will understand that technology of the present and future must serve the needs of individual freedom and survival without the need for government.

    There are several new and exciting alternatives for off-the-grid and rural people that is becoming feasible to implement – particular in group or community settings.

    Even if Internet access itself is not maintained in the event of a severe grid-down scenario, the spirit of resilience will pay off in skills, problem solving and mutual support for a community that has figured out these type of solutions.

    Read more:

    The Prepper’s Blueprint: The Step-By-Step Guide To Help You Through Any Disaster

    This Rural Community Stopped “Relying on Corporate America” and Created its Own Internet Service

    The Creator of This Amazing Internet Privacy Device Has Been Silenced: “Effective Immediately We Are Halting Further Development”

    Deadly Reliance on Tech: “If Internet Goes Down… Preppers Will Be Last Ones Standing”

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    1. TEST says:


      Former (and famed) CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson had the temerity to leave the socialist plantation and Goebbelian journalism media circus (Kim Kardooshian and faux global warming, anyone?), and started to question Hilary’s lies about Benghazi. While working on a story, the in-your-face leftist Brownshirts remotely hacked into her system and deleted everything she was working on in front of her face. 1:46 min. Hitler’s Brownshirts were also “in your face” beating people up, but at least they weren’t like today’s leftist Brownshirts hiding behind a keyboard. Thankfully, Attkisson had the presence of mind to record it all. (N.B.: Nazi, of course, stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” – the National **Socialis**t German Worker’s Party) whose socialist planks are easily found with a 15 second google search.

      Reminds me of when Dietrich Bonhoeffer gave a radio address on the day after Hitler became Reich Chancellor. The title of address was “The Younger Generation’s Altered View of the Concept of Fuhrer” Part of his address reads almost like if comes out of a “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” chant in: “If the leader tries to become the idol the led are looking for–something the led always hope from their leader–then the image of the leader shifts to one of a mis-leader, then the leader is acting improperly toward the led as well as toward himself. The true leader must always be able to disappoint. This, especially, is part of the leader’s responsibility and objectivity.” However, just like trying to squelch Attkission above, someone at the radio station had switched off the microphone. But, just like Atkisson above, he had a workaround, and had his lecture printed and circulated it to friends and acquaintances (see Ferdinand Schlingensiepen, Dietrich Bonhoeffer 1906-1945: Martyr, Thinker, Man of Resistance

    2. eppe says:

      The Internet of everything.
      Look it up.
      Wired or wireless, it is here…

      Yall behave…

      • Paranoid says:

        As long as Pizza Delivery is up you need the net. Once it stops, forget it.

        • john stiner says:

          Why do you have to live in the woods or in the mountains to be “off grid”?

          Why can’t you be off grid in the city?

          Off Grid means to be self sufficient producing your own food, shelter, power and water.

          I live in the city and have all my own food production, water well, and power source, yet i am still connected to the grid.

          When collapse happens, i will flip the switch and be off the grid, but still in the same house.

          So someone please explain to me why living “off grid” means living out in the boon docks?

          • Paranoid says:

            Right or wrong; most assume it the grid etc goes down the cities are chaos/toast. As preppers therefor, there is little use in being off grid, someone will just burn you out. For large cities and real grid down I agree with them. I live in Casper, Wyo. 55K people but it has power dams, wind, oil, gas, and coal close and it’s own refinery. So my feelings are somewhat different. You buys your ticket and makes your choice.

            • Red Leader says:

              The city is not survivable in a long term grid down scenario. If you are the only one with power from all those solar panels on your roof, you are a target. If you are on the city water system which requires electricity to power pumps to get the water to you as well sanitize the water, and you don’t have your own solar powered well, you won’t make it long. If you are connected into the city sewer system and you don’t have a gravity septic system, where does all your waste go?

              You need to have a place top go for the long term.

              • john stiner says:

                Argentina was in total collapse and the cities were not untenable.

                Yes, the ones that thrived were the ones prepared and their houses hardened against burglars and thieves, but there was no need to go hide in the forest.

                Only a fool would advertise the fact that they had power when others did not. Which means no solar panels on the roof for all to see. No lights on during the night that others can see. No TV playing through the window.

                I live in the south where septic systems and water wells are common. They may not be common in the north because of the freezing conditions.

                The only real concern in the City is people. That is where hardening the house is needed. City Preppers would have to be concerned with home invasions and burglaries.

                The problem with bug out locations is that stock piles and stores will have been robbed before you get there.

                I see it all the time where people’s vacation homes at the lake are getting burglarized. There is no onbe there watching.

                • Philosopher says:

                  JS: Good questions. It is expensive to drill a well and install a septic system. I would estimate the cost in my area, on the west coast, is between $20,000 to $50,000. Cash. Drilling a well or installing septic has nothing to do with the temperature it has everything to do with the cost.

                  As for rural areas, there are always locals that live at a “vacay location” year round. They do the work. They have a bait shop and do the RV pump outs and may be a hunting guide in the fall. There is always someone watching even in a remote area. Perhaps more so in a remote area because the newcomer is obvious.

                  The suburbs, for me, are a more interesting question. Will the water continue to work? Will the sewers work? I don’t know. How long do you go before you dig a pit in your backyard to use as a toilet? How long before you get chickens and rabbits and pigeons or quail to raise in your back yard for food and no one complains because they are buying butchered pigeons or rabbits from you to feed their family?

                  I am surprised that more HOAs don’t have community gardens. This is a great way to meet people. It is a good way for people to get outside and meet their neighbor’s. I have seen local churches have pea patches as well as cities. Of course the big deal with people growing vegetables is the amount of water they require which would be an expense for an HOA. But it is a viable alternative. My HOA has a number of playgrounds that are never used, or rarely used. I would be fine reducing the number of playgrounds by 1/2, or more, and replace those unused playgrounds with pea patches that have water provided. It would be nice to see builders actually develop a plat with an area for vegetable production (including a greenhouse and shelter with washing and cooling stations) and perhaps even small animal food production (rabbits, chickens, quail, pigeons).

                  Emergency water and sewer plans ought to be addressed in future building plans / plats. People should be able to choose to have a home built with a water cachement system and solar panels.

                  I can see my suburban neighborhood up in arms over the first person that builds an obvious outside toilet facility or gets their first pigeon or rabbit hutch set up in the back yard. But what will people do? Starve? Fill up their house with waste? Of course not. They will improvise. It is unfortunate that more planning does not go into a more functional use of suburban areas.

                  • I grew up in a house that has a 55 gallon drum as a septic tank. a bunch of 1/2 inch holes were drilled in to about 3/4 from the bottom and it was put in the round then 1/4 filled with gravel. As long as you didnt throw TP down it it went about 4 years before it got clogged up and a new one was dug.
                    I used to keep Californian rabbits in a condo I had. Had 12 of them there and potatoes growing on the balcony. As long as you keep clean, no one will ever notice.

                  • john stiner says:

                    When I purchase my home one of the requirements that I had was NO Home Owners Association.

                    I am not about to allow some HOA dictate to me how tall my grass can be or what color my house can be painted.

                    A neighborhood in my area has a HOA and the HOA has it’s own sewer plant. There were about 75 houses connected to the sewer plant. The EPA fined the HOA for sewer violations in the amount of $150,000. It cost each homeowner $800 a month in association dues to pay the fine and fix the sewer violations. NO THANKS.

                    Water wells in East Texas cost about $3000. Septic Systems cost about $2500.

                    Pitcher pumps can be installed by hand and also work in my area. They go down to about 25 feet, or one atmosphere. This project would only cost about $100.

                    This guy had a nice video on installing a pitcher pump in his suburban home.

                • Plan twice, prep once says:

                  I’ve been to Puerto Rico more than once on vacation, I stay at the nice gated resort with guards that have M-16’s. Every house you pass by, without broken windows and busted in doors, has bars on the doors and windows if you catch my drift.

                  Puerto Rico is the coming Great Depression 2.

                  I’ve got a welder and can weld up window bars in an afternoon. Note to self, buy a bundle of 8 foot rebar, and some steel strip stock, extra rebar means I can sell them!

                  Put up the bars too soon and it cries rob my house, I have what you want. Put them up in your whole neighborhood and it screams don’t frack with us, we are together.

                  Appearances and timing are everything.

                  I have 8 mil hurricane film on my Windows plus reinforced doors. No one sees it, I have a stealthy advantage. Yes, I’ll add bars when it starts looking like PR here.

                  My neighbor hood has had some robberies. For 15 years they were unheard of, in the last 5 they are now common.

                  Between me and neighbors I see it has become an arms race. I put bars on the basement windows and poof everyone is putting them in? My alarm system was installed in the basement so I knew it needed extra protection. Many neighbors just heard through the grapevine this was the thing to do.

                  I like stealthy security. Plus a bit of obvious that’s not too over the top. I don’t want to attract attention, but I want the bad guys to pause. It’s a delicate balance. It will become critical.

                  • Ketchupondemand says:

                    Plan, I hear you about PR.
                    Been busy past 10 days, had family visit and would definitely add those two to our bugout if possible.
                    Who wouldn’t want a couple of young strong people on the farm?

                    We have not had the need to put bars on the windows but we’re in a remote area in the hills, “out” in the country.
                    BUT, locals know we live here and we are on great terms with them, having hired them several years ago when building the house, etc. They are happy and friendly but the welfare makes that happen.
                    It wouldn’t take much of a stoppage of food/money (part of the EBT is cash) to make real hungry people go crazy. Plenty of food grows here but the population has grown lazy due to the welfare. This population has not endured any adverse conditions for ages.

                    I’ve been looking for a reliable driveway alert system and looked at all of them and the reviews.
                    Cannot find a winning product yet. I need one that works out of the line of sight (15 ft. hill) and in tropical heat, rain, humidity. Prolly go with rocks in cans.

                    It’s interesting living in the possible test tube of societal collapse. But your neighborhood could be first. Who knows?

                  • john stiner says:

                    I too have been to Puerto Rico several times on cruises. I counted how many cops I saw while walking in the town square area. This was a tourist area with a Walgreens at the corner of the town square. I counted over 50 police officers. Two on each corner and several roaming packs of cops on foot.

                    That alone tells us how bad the problem is there. We got back on the ship right quick.

                    You can go to and see how many Puerto Rico policeman are killed a year. IT IS A LOT. Apparently killing police in Puerto Rico is not taboo like it is in the rest of the US.

                    Honduras is 10 time worse than Puerto Rico. In Rotaan they had a law that two men can not ride a motorcycle together. A man and woman is ok, but not two men. The police said that when two men are riding a motorcycle together that means they are going to do a robbery.

                  • Nathan McBride says:

                    Ketchupondemand – I’ve also been looking for a driveway alert system, the line of sight thing was throwing me off because every system said it needed that. I called one of the companies ( they explained that if it’s not line of sight it doesn’t mean it won’t work, it just means your range is going to be shorter then advertised. I bought a 2500 foot system, and I only need about 800 feet or range. So far it’s working great.

            • HA HA. Casper. Good luck there.
              I live north of you.
              Ive done a lot of work with Black Hills power, Haliburton, and most of the other big companies there along with the city gov.
              You will probably find yourself in a work camp before the smoke clears with all your stuff taken.
              You will have the Earl of Halliburton and the Earl of Caterpillar and the Earl of Power and the Earl of Medical all headed by the King of Casper. None of them are prepared and they will just take everything you have including your freedom. They are ALL big FED fans.
              They got to get food somewhere and it going to be yours and when that runs out guess who will be tilling the fields.
              And by the way. The wind power and refinery and most of the power generation wont last long. It is all high tech and they rely on next day air deliveries and Real Technicians to repair everything whom they import case by case.
              Id prepare a bugout if I was you.

              • Paranoid says:

                The Earl of Cat will get a 30-06 slug up his ass if he tries. But they won’t. The Big wheels won’t be in Casper or likely even in Wyo. They will be on their private island property with white sand and good weather. Rich isn’t the same as stupid. Give me a few extra million and I won’t be here in the snow myself.

          • 2isone says:

            I think it’s possible if you are not sandwiched between floors, or in a standalone townhome. The best setup would be on a top floor with a rooftop garden that was not visible from the other buildings nearby. It would also need to have an empty floor below you for a buffer and blackout curtains so no one would know you are there at night. You would want a water catchment system of some sort… toilets up that high wouldn’t present a flushing problem for a long time. A good solar generator and it’s doable. Just easier in the stix.

          • Cellar Spider says:

            Living Off The Grid is impossible in suburbs and cities. In order to get certificate’s of occupancy, one must be connected to electric, sewer (where available), and public water supply. Otherwise, you can’t live in the place.

            What that means is that you must pay the connection fees (and taxes) even if you don’t consume any power, water, or flush the toilet. It’s one more example of government laws (zoning) making you participate in the scam.

            After all, god forbid if you don’t pay the foreign corporations who own your water supply and electricity.

          • TheGuy says:

            ALL your own food production?

            How did you manage that one, if I may ask?

          • Ozlanthos says:

            It’s because the only way to make it too much of a PITA for them to try to force you to stay “on the grid” is to be not worth the gas to get to. In the city, they can walk out of their front door, cross the street, and threaten to throw you in jail, or force you to pay them lots of money to remove you from the grid.


      • citizen says:

        Off topic. But here it is, this lady gets it.
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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        eppe, I’m getting to the point that ‘gonna behave’ is getting kicked to the curb. And anybody that does will be left in the dust.

      • Red Leader says:

        Hughes Net Gen 4 satellite internet works well except for Voip. Vonage phone will not work.

      • Acid Etch says:


        Their greatest beneficiaries are Bush and Rubio.

        The Kochs condemn a ban on Muslim immigration, saying banning Muslims from coming in would destroy the country.

        Baby boomers cant get any fucking dumber.

        • Acid Etch –

          Your parents are “boomers” also.
          Are these people dumb as fuck as well?
          Obviously this must be so, because according to you – All Boomers are dumb as fuck.

          Careful what you say and do Acid – Jesus is watching.

      • old man in Wisconsin says:

        I’m not the wisest in understand internet connectivity. I have to ask the question. Isn’t internet connectiion off-the-grid an oxymoron? hmmm

    3. TEST says:

      I believe in non-violence…. but in this case, the old “shoot your TV” comment (particularly those Samsungs that can “watch you watching it) might be applicable.

      We just got a new furnace, and they wanted to put in a wireless control. I told them “Really? I can’t get off my fat derriere and walk over and turn the dial up a notch?? No thank you. Similarly, I have a letter in to ComEd telling them in NO WISE will we take a smart meter. There’s a lot of stuff you can do, including putting a wire cage up around the meter. But if enough people would just get off their derrieres and let these ComEd etc. types know, we might make some headway.

      I know, I know…. this site is full of cynical, defeatist Grima Wormtongues. And in fact, there IS a very real chance of defeat for the forces of freedom. But there was also slim chances in WWII, the Battle of Vienna before Jan Sobieski showed up, the Battle of Tours, etc.

      So, no, I am NOT giving up. And you defeatists (one yesterday just advocated Hilary winning to things would get worse quickly to get better. Unknown to him, obviously, is that is how the Bolsheviks got in, in Russia, and thing did NOT get better for almost a century, and even then it was a close call that they didn’t take over the whole planet.

      No, mes amis. I will work for the good. I will try to get involved. I will try to elect the best person possible – and then GET OFF MY FAT ARZE AND GET INVOLVED TO MAKE THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL responsive. I already am a precinct committeeman. How many of you here complain, but won’t even put in a hour a month to go to the meetings?

      It IS true we may lose the battle for freedom. Freedom in EVERY generation hangs by a thread it seems (Muslims, fascists, Soviets, you name it). I, for one, will fight. Just like my uncle who waded ashore as a Marine at Saipan, Okinawa, Tarawa, and several other HORRIBLE battles. The fascist left counts on certain % of people being demoralized. I ain’t gonna be one of them.

    4. Asshat says:

      Not gonna need Internet gonna have to much real stuff to do. Plus if your at your Bol do you want to be found by anyone in a potential dangerous world of entitled golden hordes. I don’t even use you tube hardly to learn anything have a library of books on how to. Internet is a toy to me used for play really and some info. Wi fi is not gonna clean animal pens or turn over soil. It’s not gonna protect family. Last thing I’m gonna worry about is my e mail at this point. Obtaining and managing resources and labor will be top priority.

    5. Many rural places have Wireless internet.
      A better bet thou is a wireless cellular hotspot.
      I have a Prepaid verizon jetpack and have found few places it dosent work. Another advantage is that it is anonymous.
      You have to set up a verizon account but donsnt mean you have to give your real name or address and the IP address is always in denver. Just buy the refill cards at wallmart.

    6. laeagle says:

      Just had to reset my wifi. We were without wifi for a week and the eaglets started protesting that they could not complete their homework. I just helped one of the eaglets working on a paper discussing the pros and cons of tablets vs textbooks. It was an interesting assignment. Too many schools have gone to tablets and lost sight of the fundamentals and core concepts that are covered in well written and organized curriculums. Some are advocating a return to the traditional textbooks.

      • Nemesis says:

        Off topic .. It’s sad, but a lot of the younger generation rely to much on electronics to do even the simplest of things.. Like read a road map, they use a farm in or their cell phone.. Or count your change back to you, when you crack a large bill.. They just say you change is blah blah, and dump it in your hand. Or they say nothing at all…

      • The problem with tablets is that you only see what is presented. It is just like a online catalog. How many times have you paged thru a book at this topic and that topic and just read a bit here and a bit there. That is how peoples brains work. It took us 1000 years to develop the style known as a book so we could access the information in a clear and concise manner. Tablets arent like books and they never will be. So it will take a long long time until they get close.

        • PO'd Patriot says:

          So what is your gist? what do we take/assume as accurate info? Do we read and assume it is correct or delve into alternative research and believe that?

          • Kids have a short interest span. Just like most adults.
            If you are studying from a book, and the topic is uninteresting, you will look elsewhere for the stimulation. Generally, elsewhere in the book.
            So the study time is not wasted.
            However with a tablet, the kids go some place else if it is internet enabled (Facebook)or if they are not, they just sit there because of the way the curriculum is created you have to go from lesson 1 to lesson 2 on and on..
            I was home schooled and I home schooled my kids. Im also a Electrical engineer and computers are my lively hood. I tried at first to use computers to educate my kids but found out quickly all he drawbacks. Kids dont see computers as tools, they see them as toys.
            I have nothing against them being used for research or taking certain tests but they shouldnt be confused with the knowledge that is inherent with just plain books.
            I have ALL my school books that I acquired over the last 45 years. I still refer to some of them and all my notes are still there. Try doing that with a computer.
            I hired a entry level engineer last year right out of university. This has happened 3 times in the last few years) Set him up to design some radios.
            He was doing ok. A week later we had a bad storm and the internet went out for a week.
            When I asked to see the progress that week, there was none. He couldnt even do simple integration or know any of the formulas he needed to do the calculations because he was used to using online calculators and tools for it. I pointed to the bookcases and said it was all over there and he didnt even know where to start. Completely lost.
            Then when I went and looked at some of his calculations, there were errors. Errors from the online calculators. I had to toss out 3 weeks of his work and make him do it by hand which he couldnt do and after a few days just quit.

            • PO'd Patriot says:

              Unreal. Thanks for the explanation Ed.

            • laeagle says:


              Thanks for your comments and for sharing your experience. I have seen the same phenomena and can vouch for what you say. My younger colleagues are much more adept at using the computers but do not remember basic formulas or know how to write basic orders, notes,etc. There is a tendency to copy and paste with very little original thoughts. Fortunately, the most recent data is automatically inserted and I can work with that.

              The internet has been an amazing tool when it comes to accessibility of information. Textbooks have about a three-year half-life, probably less, of current information. But as you pointed out, basic concepts, formulas, etc., don’t change and are still useful and helpful. Over the years, I too have acquired and kept a core library that covers basic and diverse topics of interest. I am set for when the grid goes down but I will miss the internet and the opportunity to conveniently correspond with others and follow current events.

              May God bless, keep, and protect you and yours in the coming days.

              Louisiana Eagle

            • Karl V. says:

              A few years ago, I picked up three (identical) items (original price: $1.79 each) that were in a “75% off” bin at the front of the local drugstore. While standing in line, I computed the cost (including 5% sales tax) in my head.

              At the register, the clerk (using a modern, electronic cash register) punched in the computations and got the wrong answer. (Couldn’t use the bar code on discounted prices). He tried three times and every time I had to tell him that it was wrong. I finally requested the manager. She punched in the numbers on her hand-held calculator and she couldn’t get it right either. No two answers that these people generated were the same. I have no idea what they were doing, but it seemed like they were just punching buttons at random. Finally she told the clerk “Give it to him for whatever he says” and walked away.

              Both of them –especially the male clerk, who was openly resentful– regarded ME as the problem. The fact that they were unable to do simple math, even with calculators, was not regarded as a problem because they simply didn’t care. They were just going through the motions.

    7. WhiteWolf says:

      When I go off grid, it’ll be completely. Not to say the Internet doesn’t have it’s benefits, but it also comes with it’s stresses. Bills will be paid off this year, a tiny home will be built, and supplies will be ready. If I miss the event or chain of events leading up to the eventual SHTF moment except to hear about it from a person who stumbles across my refuge…… Mission accomplished.

    8. Taxdn2poverty says:

      You are not off gird, you repackaged it and took it with you.

    9. 2isone says:

      Nothing beats the smell of a new book. Except gumbo:)

    10. angry beaver says:

      Would a WiFi signal not defeat the very purpose of staying hidden? I mean if WiFi can be hacked at Starbucks. I get the advantage if having it in a remote location but would that not still leave a digital footprint of some kind?
      Personally When i bug out I planned on attaching my phone to the back if a Canada goose easy to catch in our parks (some don’t migrate) let the bastards chase that for a while. Just a thought.

      • I have a friend who keeps a trac phone and every 3 or 4 months tosses it in the back of a out of state truck while getting gas.Then get a new one.

        • john stiner says:

          If the FEDS are after you, then leave your phone turned on and put it on an 18 wheeler at the truck stop. If your phone is turned off then it can not be traced.

          • Acid Etch says:

            It can be traced if it is turned off, dipshit. Only if the battery is out of it is it untraceable.

            • Yes, if you don’t want you phone traced … the battery must be pulled from the phone.
              Computers/phones that have an internal battery are things that are subject to being hacked from an outside source.

              “pull the plug” sort of speak if you don’t want things of this nature being hacked.

    11. angry beaver says:

      Lol and for anyone interested in my ( little adventure Oregon) short and sweet here it is. 12 hour drive to wild horse border xing Canadians let me out no problem
      Your american border agents ….. not so much.
      I was asked
      What’s the purpose of your visit.
      How long will you be staying
      Is this vehicular insured and registered to you
      Can I see your passport please?
      And that be all she wrote
      Turn your vehicular around in that lot to your right and go back to Canada. I’m guessing the NRA sticker on my pickup window gave me away
      In short I knew I would not get across but I did try. And it was exciting.

    12. PO'd Patriot says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong. If’n its Wi-Fi can’t it be captured and tracked or manipulated? Do you really know what ‘dingle dick’ in the Blackhouse can conjure up? I’d be a little leery of what’s being offered anywhere at anytime. Think your safe? C’mon now.

    13. greasemonkoid says:

      It’s no question that the internet is the most powerful source of information ever known to man. There really is no excuse for lack of knowledge these days. However, in the wireless world microwave radiation is dangerous, numerous studies have proven how cells behave and are weakened with exposure, especially with data transmissions.

      Since magnitude quadruples with half the distance to an omnidirectional emitter, please don’t put a wireless router or newer cordless phone that hammers radiation 24/7 in your kids room, and letting a toddler talk on a cell phone is pure stupidity. Give the kids a chance.

    14. aljamo says:

      So the internet is OK for making money. Free speech not so much, that is the direction the internet is now in regress to achieve. There is much proof of truth that the establishment will not allow truth to continue to become more widespread. The trade deals being steadily pushed point out that obvious inevitability. American’s can’t see the extent of the all encompassing level of spying so therefore it does not exist. Talk about schools not teaching children much of anything these days, it seems to me the schools didn’t teach much to the adults in the past. To me censorship is underway now. I see articles on certain sites that will not come up. All of these are highly critical articles towards the establishment and their too big to fail fascist corporations. Criticism and truth against Big Pharma, forget it, their tentacles envelop the Earth and murder is their game.

    15. Asshat says:

      No NRA or gun stickers on my vehicles. This looks stupid to me. A good way to get shot by the police during a stop. Also tells thieves you have guns. Anyway reading books nowadays on a topic such as survival is pointless. I find that the information is regurgitated over and over and historical books have been watered down to fit political agendas of the day. The state wants people to have their propaganda wherever on earth they go.

    16. Infidel-2 says:

      I was sitting at a long stoplight yesterday, minding my own business, patiently waiting for it to turn green even though there was no on-coming traffic. A carlo…ad of bearded, young, loud Muslims shouting Anti-American slogans with a half-burned American Flag duct-taped on the trunk of their car and a “Remember 9-11” slogan spray painted on the side was stopped next to me.

      Suddenly they yelled, “Allah Akbar! Praise Allah! Death to America” and took off before the light changed.

      Out of nowhere an 18-wheeler came speeding through the intersection and ran directly over their car, crushing it completely and killing everyone in it.

      For several minutes I sat in my car thinking to myself:

      “Man… that coulda been me!”

      So today, bright and early, I went out and got a job as a truck driver

    17. Philosopher says:

      Orcas Island is filled with leftist loons from Seattle (and other places). There is no hunting allowed in the San Juan Islands. None. You cannot harvest any type of shellfish. Good luck if you get caught picking a wild huckleberry or accidentally step on a wild Trillium. That might land you 1 year in the local jail. It is complicated, and expensive, to live on Orcas Island. There is the cost of taking the ferry to get on or off the island unless you have your own boat or plane and the costs involved with those owning those types of vehicles. Not to speak of Lopez Island (lesbian island) which had one entire portion that used to be a Boy Scout camp purchased by Allen (co-founder of Microsoft). Oh heck yes, leftville looney islands floating out there in the San Juans. Fine for a day visit but I don’t advise living there unless you share their ideology.

      • Foxglove666 says:

        Don’t really care what the politics are on Orcas Island. They saw a problem. As a community they came up with a viable solution. Why get your little panties in a wad about that? Their solution could work just as well in a right wing prepper community. It’s about practical solutions to everyday problems.

    18. TEST says:

      Off topic, but FYI. IMHO, very important right now:

      As most of you know, Dick Morris is the man who put the Clintons in power for their second term, before having a falling out and then awakening to what frauds they were. This is typical of who and what Bill (and Hilary) is – depending, of course, on what the meaning of “is” is. Remember: Bill Cosby bad, Bill Clinton good. And don’t ask any questions.

      Bill Clinton’s Loving Wife
      By Dick Morris, Former political adviser to President Bill Clinton.

      If you happen to see the Bill Clinton 5-minute TV ad for Hillary in which he introduces the commercial by saying he wants to share some things we may not know about Hillary’s background, beware. As I was there for most of their presidency and know them better than just about anyone, I offer a few corrections.

      Bill says: “In law school, Hillary worked on legal services for the poor.”
      The facts are: Hillary’s main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.

      Bill says: “Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children’s rights project for poor kids.”
      The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.

      Bill says: “Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers.”
      The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam; yes, flunked. It is a matter of record, and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas – none – and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She did not join the prestigious Rose Law Firm until Bill became Arkansas Attorney General and was made a partner only after he was elected Arkansas Governor.

      Bill says: “President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman.”
      The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill’s support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy. Hillary then became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter’s choice to be chairman.

      Bill says: “She served on the board of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital.”
      The facts are: Yes, she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Walmart board of directors for a substantial fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices.

      Bill says: “Hillary didn’t succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994, but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance.”
      The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I know; I helped negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals’ tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.

      Bill says: “Hillary was the face of America all over the world.”
      The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them.

      Bill says: “Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children’s and women’s issues.”
      The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One set up a national park in Puerto Rico . A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer’s or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 911 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation. Presently she is trying to have the US memorialize the Woodstock fiasco of 40 years ago.
      Here is what bothers me more than anything else about Hillary Clinton: She has done everything possible to weaken the President and our country (that’s you and me!) when it comes to the war on terror.
      1. She wants to close GITMO and move the combatants to the USA where they would have access to our legal system.
      2. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of suspected Al Qaeda phone calls to/from the USA .
      3. She wants to grant constitutional rights to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield.
      4. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of money transfers between suspected Al Qaeda cells and supporters in the USA .
      5. She wants to eliminate the type of interrogation tactics used by the military & CIA where coercion might be used when questioning known terrorists even though such tactics might save American lives.

      What? You were expecting honesty from the Team Clinton, that brought you FileGate, TravelGate, Hilary’s one in a zillion cattle futures trade, selling our defense secrets to China for money, that fake “shot at in Sarjevo story,” the “what does it matter anyway” deaths in Benghazi all for political power, the felonious email scam, Whitewater, the sex assaults by serial adulterer/molester of Sally Perdue, Jaunita Broaderick, Paula Jones, the threats against Gennifer Flowers, , Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and more? And yes, if any company president had done to Monica what Bill did, they would have been gone in a heartbeat.

    19. SIttingElf says:

      I’m curious about the speed that this option has been able to provide via radio signal. True Broadband?

    20. 1vet says:

      Off topic-

      obola lobbying to be next Secretary General of the UN after he’s through screwing amerika…


      • MakeMyDay says:


        Because the U.N. is slated to be the capitol of the One World Government the chimp in charge will finally be “king of it all”, or so he thinks!

        I know another KING who has a very different idea in mind. The nefarious plans of the PTB will be ground to dust beneath HIS heel. I’m glad I have a roadmap that tells me how it really ends.

        It cannot come soon enough. Pray and prep….2016 is going to be a tough journey. The worlds schemers/enemies can almost smell their victory. Something they have been working on for a very long time.

        America, the last domino to fall. Held together this long so the internationalists could use our money and our kids as fodder to subjugate the rest of the world.

    21. KY Mom says:

      Another 41 Foreign-Born Snagged On Terror Charges.
      Obama admin withholds details.

      113 foreign-born terrorists have been discovered in the United States since 2014.

      “As the number of legal immigrants connected to terrorism continues to grow, the Obama administration has sought to quash congressional inquiries and rally its allies behind an effort to fund efforts to boost the number of immigrants and refugees from the Middle East.”

      “A growing number of foreign-born terrorists are being identified operating within the United States, and yet the Administration will not provide any information about their immigrant histories,” said one senior congressional source apprised of the issue.

      “And one can only imagine that for every identified terrorist, there are many more individuals around them who are radicalized, extreme or otherwise detracting from American society in ways beyond the threat of terrorism alone.”
      -Free Beacon dot com

      Foiled New Year’s Terror Attack Is 76th Islamist Plot in US Since 9/11

      “Emanuel Lutchman was arrested on Dec. 30 for his support of ISIS and planned attack for New Year’s Eve in Rochester, N.Y.

      He planned to assault a local restaurant/bar armed with a machete, smaller knives, and supplies to take hostages.”
      -Daily Signal dot com

    22. Asshat says:

      Ha ha that could’ve been me in the 18 wheeler that ran over a car full of muzzies. On your way to the snak bar are ya. I’m sure the police and rescue personnel felt bad too. If the trucker was a white guy that means racism.

    23. 2isone says:

      The only job Obama is going to get at the US is as an Indonesian translator. Maybe he can get a diplomat job in Phucket. Seriously, Russia, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, China and probably Australia would want no more of him than what they’ve already seen. I don’t even think the Queen likes him too much.

    24. Cellar Spider says:

      The FCC has limits of a quarter watt for transmitting wifi. This makes it almost impossible for “public” wifi. If the FCC raised the limit, everyone could have rooftop wifi antennas and thus form a network.

      However, Verizon, Sprint, MCI, Comcast own the FCC and they would never let the FCC raise the limit’s because the telcos would be out of business due to the “public” internet

    25. Dirty Laundry says:

      Squirrel fills Antenna with Acorns

    26. Asshat says:

      why do people think it takes all kinds of training to use a gun. They are stupid easy to use a child can figure it out. The hardest this is to decide when all options are exhausted and it’s time to pull the trigger. This is the decision some folks might not be able to make correctly. A person over reacting in extreme fear may shoot to soon killing. There is no gun training I’m aware of that teaches decision making. When Zimmerman followed Martin and got into situation he needed to defend himself did he need to follow Martin escalating the situation especially since he was not a police officer. Voluntary putting yourself in a life or death scenario then having to use your gun to keep yourself alive is not proper training. I realize you gotta do what it takes to protect yourself but putting yourself in a situation in the first place is not responsible as a gun carrier. What he did is within the law but it could’ve been avoided. I’m a big believer in the second but I have seen people’s attitudes at the range when they are shooting. I have heard loose talk too. Just because we have right to guns doesn’t mean everybody has the competence to be a responsible owner. Most folks are responsible but there is a group that aren’t. These people will be out there come shtf. Gun dealers should use discretion when selling guns. Turn some people away they are not denying guns to these folks. They can go somewhere else to get a gun. Responsible gun dealers need to protect gun ownership over selling another gun. Discrimination laws should not apply to gun dealers because of the nature of the product they sell. cool heads always prevail.

    27. oldgreyguy says:

      Go look for TV whitespace wireless links. Better links than Wi-Fi.

    28. Captain Equinox says:

      Perhaps you don’t get it. “OFF grid” means OFF!!!! grid. So you get away from the the Corpo-Gov Nazies so that you can TELL THEM WHERE YOU ARE? You AIN’T NEVER COMIN’ TO MY HIDE OUT. I guess you WANT to be tracked. …and FRIED.

      Wifi is deadly microwave radiation. And the so-called “smart” grid uses EMF/R, which per top military brass I personally spoke with in Tampa/Hillsborough (CIA-Nazi country), is a “military-grade” weapon!!!!

      WAKE UP!!!!!! Do your own homework.

      There are thousands of studies going back to the 1960s PROVING the dangers of EMF/R. There are NO uncertainties, doubts, “concerns,” or “potential” risks about it. Anyone who says it’s safe is ONE OF THEM, run for the hills. They have used it extract confessions from prisoners.

      • Ive worked in RF and oil field my whole life. I grew up in a house that today we cant occupy because the gov put up a radiation hazard signs in the whole area stating no more than 1 hour per year could be spend there due to a nearby uranium mine.
        The wate that came from our well could be ignited with a lighter sometimes. I have no health problems and most of the people I worked and grew up with had no health problems. But there were some who died from cancer and such. But for the most part they were the smoking , drinking, sitting in front of the tv on all their free time type. People who took care of themselves were fine.

    29. Bill says:

      He’s got a nice setup out there, but if I was him I would go ahead and build a cabin. It is more sturdy, provides a greater sense of permanence for the family, and offers more protection from wildlife and bad weather. I have been in some of the deepest and remotest wilderness on the North American continent and can tell you there are a few unsavory people out there; so a cabin would provide more protection from intruders.
      Secondly, no matter how off-the-grid you are you still need a good vehicle, one that can get you in or out when there is snow. This is important if you have a sick or injured child. Third, I would build an underground spring house to store/preserve food that animals could not get into. But having a wife and family is a drag and would only ruin the experience.

    30. Johnd422 says:

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