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    As the Fantasy Dies: “Panic Will Ensue”

    Mac Slavo
    September 13th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    (Pictured: Northern Rock Bank Run; 2006)

    The US government may have funded studies and propaganda material which says that people will not panic, loot or go hungry in the midst of a crisis, but the fact of the matter is that history has shown otherwise.

    It’s often the case that, despite countless warnings from those considered to be fringe lunatics, the vast majority of the populace is blindsided by horrific, paradigm-altering events. The signs are almost always there, but people simply refuse to believe it can happen to them. “It” always happens somewhere else, and we get to watch it play out on television from the comfort of our living rooms.

    But, as financial guru and strategic investor Bill Fleckenstein points out in the following highly insightful interview with King World News, America’s fantasy of unlimited borrowing, consumption and confidence will soon be revealed for the sham that it really is. And when the masses realize what has happened – that the government and Federal reserve are trapped and the “great unwind” finally begins – it will lead to nothing short of widespread panic on a level never before seen.

    And this time, it’ll be right outside of our front doors.

    Right now, people continue to believe that the same idiots that created all of these problems, namely the central banks, are going to somehow get us out of it with the exact same policies that got us into it, only at a much higher (aggressive) level of pursuing those policies.

    We’ve had so much artificial stimulus, and we’ve misallocated so much capital.  And over the couple of decades we’ve been doing this we’ve kind of broken the economy and the financial system.  So, I don’t think you can worry about what’s on the other side.  We haven’t even gotten people to understand the charade that we have.

    What the masses have done over and over again is to believe one more time that it’s all going to be OK … We are in a unique moment in history.  The whole world is printing confetti, and (yet) people seem to think that’s going to work out fine.

    The longer you keep pursuing insane policies, the more you pile (them) on top of each other, the worse it gets … So, when the Fed can’t print money and we have to deal with this, it’s going to be brutal.

    The fact of the matter is Americans, in the aggregate, don’t see any reason to own metal.  They believe in the lunatics at the Fed, and the rest of the Western world is that way (as well).  Obviously Asia doesn’t quite see it that way.  But it’s understandable why the average American doesn’t buy gold — If they believe in a fantasy, why would they need it?

    As the fantasy dies, then they will understand the need to own gold.

    Via King World News: Full Interview

    As an investment adviser and strategist, Fleckenstein obviously focuses his dialogue on the financial and economic, and in this case the asset that would protect his investors from the disaster that is coming. This is not to say, however, that he is solely recommending gold as the only crisis-proof investment.

    Read between the lines and if you understand the need to own gold in this environment it means you also understand why precious metals will soar in value during a crisis.

    Likewise, you would no doubt understand that should gold and silver skyrocket in price, so too will other essential assets.

    When the US dollar is crushed by our foreign creditors and our government can no longer support the 100 million Americans dependent on electronic government benefits to put food on the table or keep a roof over their heads, it is then that the whole system as we have come to know it goes into meltdown, complete with panic, looting, and emergency intervention under the banner of martial law.

    Gold and silver are just one of numerous asset classes you should stockpile in your preparedness portfolio. A well developed crisis plan should also include other key investments such as long-term food storage, home defense tools, arable land and barterable trade skills.

    As those around you come to the realization that their world has been built on pillars of fantasy, commerce comes to a standstill and stability turns to pandemonium, those with the foresight to have insulated themselves from the worst will have, at the very least, a fighting chance.

    Prepare for panic. It’s coming.

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    1. lastmanstanding says:

      The panic is a necessary part of the earth and humanities cleansing.

      …if you feel that you belong here…”don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        What if we’ve already been panicking for years?

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        • lastmanstanding says:

          I have been planning not pannicking for years, those like us will stand a better chance of surviving.

          In fact, I have never pannicked…it is not my nature.

          I am a planner, I always have several backups.

          Even those who pannick are concerned and are thinking of a way out.

          I bet that you have a good plan.

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          • Be informed says:

            There is a disease right now of the brain and mind, call it THE TRAPDOOR. The masses have been so conditioned for a good solid generation right now that money is something with a VISA/MasterCard/Discover or whatever symbol they use. There is no concenpt of what that package of GMO chemical rich balled up chicken beaks, crowns, feet, and necks that they called a sandwich actually cost. They just throw down the plastic and basically eat what the turkey vultures won’t.

            What happens is the bankers have gotten people to understand that a certain product or service cost X number of minutes or hours of work. People when they used cash at least say this to some degree as when the cash left their wallets or purses it meant no more. Now the plastic comes up and no one even sees what they are being charged. I say something that cracked me up awhile ago about how hookers were accepting credit cards using that new system that allows anyone to pay for ANYTHING with a type of notebook pad linked to the credit card companies.

            Like a hangman’s gallows, that trapdoor eventually swings open and the person falls through, with or without a rope around their neck. This system of phantom money cannot succeed unless there is someone willing to fit the bill. The U.S. dollar is basically only supported by the oil dollar, petro dollar. Thanks to the sell off of America to China and India and others, the U.S. does not even have the strong manufacturing base to fall back on. Only really agriculture and food is the only foundation left that the U.S. has to avoid total collapse as everyone needs to eat in the world and the amount of arable land each year dwindles.

            The petro dollar holds up the U.S. dollar as countries use this to purcahse energy. The U.S. dollar is needed then. Problem is that ANYTHING can be used to purchase energy as long as that anything can be used to purchase what the oil sellers need. Precious metals are something that everyone recognizes and can be used as real true money for anything that an oil seller wants to buy with it. The problem with precious metals is that there is a limited amount of them to have the large type of transactions with billions in energy. A piece of paper that says you have X number of bars of gold is worthless unless that paper can produce the tangible product. This is one reason that certain metals are being toyed with as money in the future such as copper, which is more plentiful and serves many uses in industry.

            Ohter countries though cannot trust the U.S. dollar with 17 trillion in debt and derivatives that top into the hundreds of trillions. Countries are trying to protect their own interest and instead of putting all their eggs into one basket with the U.S. dollar, they are opting fro a basket currency of many moneys, including the U.S. dollar. Losing the monopoly on the petro dollar though means that TRUST is lost in the dollar and that means risk interest will be given to the debts owed by the U.S. This in turn means exploding inflation and interest rates that drive the stock market right into the toilet.

            You have a terrible conflict of interest of two countries that want their monopoly in the Middle East. U.S. with the petro dollar, and Russia that wants to price gouge Europe with natural gas. You have two countries that know that they each stand to lose trillions if their monopoly is lost. The more influence that the Iranian and Russian have in the Middle East energy scheme the more likely the U.S. dollar will be dumped for a basket currency. Qatar and Saudi Arabia can destroy the Russian’s monopoly by getting that natural gas pipeline through Syria to Turkey via to Europe. Iran is selling most of their oil not using the U.S. dollar. Pretext Syria, get at Iran to help stop the U.S. dollar from being replaced. All the while the happy little idiots continue to charge everything and just know everything is just peachy.

            This is where the scenario of an economic collapse is far less likely than WW3. Countries of the past nearly always fall back on the military to save their economies. Two massive nuclear powers that have a bleak economic future if they lose what they have now. Throw in China that depends heavily on Iran for their energy to run their economy and NATO that is mostly Europe that needs cheaper energy prices to help their economies and you see the load of sh&* that the world is in. World war 3 will be mostly about MONEY and there is no real way out unless BO backs down and lets the U.S. economy fall into a mega depression. Maybe that is the plan all along, as the plans for a police state martial law is sure in the planning stages for years now. A mega depression or World War 3, nice choice between getting shot in the stomach or the head.

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            • Iowa says:

              People will smash their newborn into the wall instead of listening to their cries of hunger and people will throw their gold into the streets because they can’t stand the sight of it, as there is nothing to buy. Fucking sad.

              WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO GOD. I know, looking back, I’m responsible for my sin.

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              • Swinging on a star says:

                Iowa,

                I don’t need gold in order to prepare for what may be on the horizon, the only thing I need is God in my heart and soul. Just remember, the Almighty is all forgiving of those who truly repent from the bottom of their heart. I honestly don’t understand why any red thumbs for your post.

                For me, this article is simply a ploy to sell gold, I am not buying it and guess what, not too many people can actually buy enough gold to make any difference in their lives whatsoever.

                If you want to be saved and live an eternity in a place where gold will do you no good but love and kindness will, then focus your attention on why we were put here in the first place. God speed.

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                • Ugly says:

                  In God, I agree.

                  I remember the infamous wall-hanger that many merchants had that stated:

                  ‘In God I Trust, All Others Must Pay in Cash’

                  In God I do trust. But the others do worry me in that they are great people, just very blind to the events happening today. Some are awakening, but many are still asleep. Basically, living in ‘snooze’ mode.

                  Hopefully and very soon, we become United and stop all this nonsense and expect our Leaders to fix the economic problems and also become Peace-Makers.

                  Yes. I am in the Twilight Zone….

                  Remember that episode, ‘Kick The Can’? And the one about the bunker and the towns-folks laughing until that day hit….

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                • NOT “another investigation”, but a FULL REENACTMENT OF 9/11!

                  http://wh.gov/lg9Ka

                  Get “Closer to truth”!

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                • SWIFT says:

                  Having God in your heart and soul is of paramount importance. But, take your purse, or sell your cloak, and by a sword (firearm).

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                • BigB says:

                  Good thing Swinging Star that you don’t need Gold:

                  Gold just got thrashed last night by a whistle blower at JP Morgan. Go to:

                  kingworldnews dot com

                  The price of gold futures has never fluctuated so much after hours as it as since Friday night and Saturday morning.

                  Here is a quote from the article:

                  In a stunning development, two JP Morgan whistleblowers have confessed that the bank manipulates the gold and silver markets. This is truly a shocking admission by the courageous JP Morgan whistleblowers. In a blockbuster King World News interview, London metals trader Andrew Maguire told KWN that the two JP Morgan employees came directly to him with hard evidence that the bank was actively manipulating the gold and silver markets.

                  This is a truly catastrophic event for JP Morgan, which up to now has denied manipulating these markets. Below Maguire takes KWN readers around the world on a trip down the rabbit hole as he discusses how he led the two JP Morgan employees to turn over the evidence to a law firm which specializes in high profile whistleblowers, and also to the CFTC. According to Maguire, the CFTC has virtually buried this information. Is this a cover up, or the next LIBOR scandal about to be exposed? Below is what Maguire had to say in this blockbuster interview.

                  BigB

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Swinging Star: Thats first thing I too thought when this article appeared. Yep here we go again “BUY Gold” story.

                  Why do they always says “When the fed cannot print More dollars”?…What would happen if suppose after a G-20 economics meeting, the world leaders went on Live TV to announce something like this.

                  “Helo world peoples we finished our G20 meeting, and every nation worldide has agreed that if we fed res banksters Cancel Out every prior debt each nation owes, then all nations agree also to continue use of world reserve US dollar as it has ben doing.

                  And we all can Re start again from ground zero like 1913 again.”

                  What if to sweeten that deal fed res banksters also agreed to Cancel out every mortgage and car and credit card debt owed by Individual Persons worldwide?

                  Those eliet banksters etc will never miss or lose anything. They already made vast fortunes by usury intrest swidnles on all nations and peoples.

                  Their moneys already invested in Massive ten million dollar homes, 1/2 dozen or more homes Each guy. Sport cars like ferraries, Yahts galore worth 100 million each etc etc.

                  Does anybody really believe if such was done to simply wipe out all debts owed to start all over again from zero. Even if no other things got changed just That, all debts canceled paid in full.

                  That ANY nations leadership would say NO? Or ANY persons will reject that offer?…Every person here that still owes huge or small mortgages or car or school loans would Jump at that chance to start over free of debt and all else remains same as today.

                  That is just ONE method they can do to remain in Power and remain very wealthy alot longer.

                  The Only folks hurt would be Gold sellers who are trying to use Fear tactics to get more folks to Buy Buy Buy! so all the piles of Their owned gold will go Back up at least to before gold dropped a 1/3 in values.

                  Even if They bought gold for $300 per oz, they still consider gold value dropping a 1/3 of value so far a massive LOSS to them personally.

                  If They had an oz worth $1800 and today its worth $500+ LESS…Bet yer ass they count that as massive Loss.

                  And the one main method to try to raise gold Back up is generate mass buying from You.

                  They keep saying gold will never lose value as it always held it in past. So That is a certain Future outlook?

                  No its not. Its speculation. There are zero gaurentee’s for gold values or any other commodity unless maybe its Foods.

                  Why dont any articles discuss Plans or Fixes etc?

                  Yeah things are bad today. So what, was bad or worse when Jimmy Carter was prez. I aint yet had to wait for off days, odds and evens lic late number to BUY Gasoline have You?…Or get Limited to 10 Gallons per Day?

                  yet Thats what happened when Carter was Prez. Gas prices Doubled overnite also when that got announced recall it?

                  So yes its bad could be better no doubt. So how does non stop constant daily articles of nothing else But doom and gloom achieve or assist anybody other than those who Profit from Mass Fear?

                  Some here mentioned God…What does God say on it…God tells us to “Fear the LORD” and no others.

                  “trust in the LORD” and Not meere man or men, nor govnt’s etc.

                  As a Christian believer I agree I do stock food and ammo and a generator and fules etc..But to me a 3+ yr supply or close seems fairly swell for preps.

                  I do not ever wish to Profit from Others miseries or due to Their lack of knowlegde or ability to store supplies.

                  And at what point does many preps way exceed also Trusting the Lord to provide for me/us?

                  I suppose since I noted that and how easy the fed res and G20 govnts could do a fix if they desired to stay in control and power alot longer, I shall get tons of Red Thumbs eh.

                  Seems anyone here who points out truth or facts or posts info other than how many seeds are in Your seed packets. Or whats todays cheep beans prices is of late off limits and recieves tons of red thumbs.

                  I wonder how many red thumb types visit here from Glen Beck or hannity sites, and also how many Mossad israeli Paid internet talkbackers of the quarter million they admit to have Hired to sabatoge sites like this site, visit here to red thumb such posts and info They do not like to hear or see of?

                  Oh well I agree with them what says Red Thumbs just means I am doing something correct!

                  In a Public setting them type fools who cannot stand to hear such truth or info, must use both hands to cover ears like small kiddies does eh. So far only ones I have seen in publiic just Stare with eyes wide open and mouths agape when confronted by guys like Me who speak out Loud and Clear even when most of them types hate such info or cannot handle truth.

                  PS for “Be Informed”..BI, You stated Other countries cannot Trust us dollars anymore etc..My Question is..

                  Bi, How many countires that can’t no longer Trust us dollars, Gave Back ALL those Hundreds of Millions and even to some nations, Many BILLIONs of those so Untrustworthy US Dollars america has been and continues to Pass out in such vast amounts, and even More often too, gives away us dollars while they stand their Open handed licking their chops and stuffing all they can personally Loot up their noses or into secret safes?

                  One would think such worthless untrustworthy Cash dollars would get rejected outright before being Printed or computer electronically debited eh?

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

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                • watching and waiting says:

                  Good comment swinging on a star——-

                  SCRIPTURES SAY THEY WILL THROW THEIR GOLD AND SLIVER IN THE STREETS—–because it will come down to one thing. The worship of the anti-christ and if you have gold,silver, he won’t care. He wants to be worshiped and glorified as god.

                  On another thought, people should be aware that as the world falls into chaos(social,economic,religious), so is nature and should be prepared for disasters unseen in our time…….

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                • Barn Cat says:

                  You should still be a good steward of what God entrusts you with. I have half my savings in precious metals. I don’t want to lose it all when the dollar dies.

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The NSA has a tax paid Star Trek “war room.”

                  http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/15/nsa-mind-keith-alexander-star-trek

                  USA… USA… USA!

                  “I loves my slavery, really I does.”

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                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  @ Swinging……

                  A little enlightenment on the human psyche.

                  As to “why all the red thumbs” on Iowa’s comment…..
                  Any time you paint a horrible graphic image in a person’s mind such as “smashing a newborn into a wall”; you may as well have killed their new puppy in front of them.

                  People don’t like seeing innocent blood spilled from a child or even a pet. So when you start off a comment/article with that image, most people are turned off and immediately turn down any thing further from that person.

                  A little “tact” goes a long way in getting readership.

                  Just sayin’

                  PWTW

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              • anonymous says:

                Do you own any gold? After all, he made it and for a reason. Get some metal to use in your lifetime.

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              • Leonard M. Urban says:

                Jesus already died for your sins, Iowa, and he’ll readily take you back. Confess your sins, and accept his gift again…God Bless you!

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                • Dave in ID says:

                  @ Bob….Faith needs no proof. Your statement requires you to prove that ANYTHING in the Bible is false. People and governments have been trying to prove the bible wrong for centuries and have all failed.

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              • Makati1 says:

                Think! Muslims, Christians and Jews ALL worship the same god, yet there are wars about who is right. Insanity!

                Stand on your own two feet and think and prepare. There is no ‘after this’ life to dream about. Nor is there a ‘hell’ to worry about. When the lights go out, you will never know it happened as you will just cease to exist.

                The world is in the state it is in partly due to religions and partly to the lack of morals in those religions. Yes, lack of morals. Hypocrisy rules, not the Golden Rule.

                So, use what you have to prepare for the years you have left and don’t waste them asking some vaporous deity to do it for you. Likewise, don’t blame it for your problems. You made ALL of them with every small decision you made in your life. Think about that.

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                • Swinging on a star says:

                  Makati1,

                  vote.

                  2 John 1:9-11 ESV

                  Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

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                • Swinging on a star says:

                  The word “vote” was not meant to be there.

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                • Sandra says:

                  I am an agnostic and believe there just has to be intelligent life some where because it sure isn’t here! I agree religion not kept personal or private has caused nothing but wars and grief. Sometimes I wonder if religion is used as a tool to create what big brother is looking to achieve? Division? Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst, doesn’t God help those who help themselves?

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                • Amerifreak says:

                  Allah is not God

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            • braveheart says:

              Good evening, Be Informed, and once again I have to agree with your comments. I find your analogy about the trapdoor very interesting. It reminds me of, and I’m sure everyone here can remember, a certain TV ad from the 70s and 80s for Hawaiian Punch. Remember the short guy, dressed in the Hawaiian outfit, always asking the taller guy dressed like a tourist, “How about a nice Hawaiian Punch?” and the taller guy ALWAYS answered, “SURE”. the the short guy knocks out the bigger guy, EVERY time, it NEVER failed. I have a debit card that I use for some transactions, but I ALWAYS use CASH for my preps. A credit card I don’t have and refuse to have. I’ve always used cash to buy even cars; never had a car financed in my whole life. I refuse to sacrifice a whole bunch of other things to pay for some overpriced vehicle over a 3-6 year period. that’s never been my cup of tea and never will be. When you’re debt-free, you’d be surprised how much you can accomplish for yourself. Otherwise, I would only have a fraction of the preps I have now. No, I won’t play the credit game for anything. My latest item on my shopping list has been shells for my new “artillery piece”, but I’m primarily after more food and water now. Everyone please step up your prepping as fast as your resources allow while this funny money will still get something. braveheart

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              • Be informed says:

                @ braveheart. I have one of those DVD’s of the old time commercials and it is very entertaining. Something that this now lacks is that you can advertise without the crude crap that you see now. People back then could let their kids watch TV and not have to be shocked at the garbage. I don’t like censorship, I hate it in fact. The commercials of yesteryear reflected on what the consumer wanted back then. Now they want pure sh^&. This is another sign of the times just how far the people are in rapid decay.

                How does this relate to the article above? Too much so. It shows how freaken stupid the masses are to purchase exactly what they don’t need with credit that they don’t have. Look at these credit card companies that make the common idiot think that happy times will come to you everytime you pull out the plastic. Thus further speeding up the process of the end for everyone of the human civilization. You look at yesterday’s commericials and you see how much they were focused more on everyday needs and basic life (common sense), with some exceptions.

                They need to have some commercials with people shredding their credit cards and flipping the bird to the banks and telling them NO MORE. The Hawaiian Punch Guy should be knocking some sense into 99% of the masses.

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                • braveheart says:

                  Good morning, BI. if what you outlined in your last paragraph could really happen, imagine the outcry, especially in the world of “financial services”. A commercial with the Hawaiian Punch Guy knocking out people for being in debt could have a tremendous impact, you would think. braveheart

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            • cossack55 says:

              Nice summation. Alas, the wild card being Fukushima.

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              • G Strebel says:

                The news these days has evolving reports of radiation leaks coming from the damaged TEPCO nuclear power installation at Fukushima, Japan. Concerns have been raised about contaminated food and even rain in North America. Are these concerns based on actual risks?
                Historically, there was a belief that biological damage from radiation was linearly related to the accumulated dose, the so-called linear no-threshold (LNT) hypothesis, which assumes that even near-zero radiation dosage can lead to cancer death and hereditary disorders. This assumption led to the projection that a nuclear accident in which radioactive contamination was widely dispersed would lead to a significant increase in illness and premature death in the affected area in the ensuing decades. We are now over 75 years into the Nuclear Age and there is abundant data to refute this assumption.

                I will refer to two studies published within the last few years. The first is “Carcinogenesis from Inhaled (239)PuO2 in Beagles” in the journal of the Health Physics Society, September 2010. Groups of dogs were administered doses of insoluble plutonium dioxide ranging from zero to high. The lung tumour incidence in the ‘control’ group (zero dose) was 18%. The lowest dose, 14.4 cGy (centiGrays, a unit of cumulative radiation dose to tissue) group had zero lung tumours and the next lowest group, 37.5 cGy, had one. From there, the incidence rose to 100% at 2800 cGy. Above this dose, the dogs died from pneumonitis, damage to their lungs, before succumbing to cancer. The researchers suggest that a low dose of alpha particle radiation from plutonium stimulates a protective effect: radiation homeostasis.

                The second paper is “Observations on Chernobyl After 25 Years of Radiophobia” published in the summer 2010 edition of 21st Century Science & Technology by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., member of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) and Chairman of that organization from 1980 to 1982. Dr. Jaworowski states that this dramatic nuclear accident resulted in the deaths of 28 rescue workers and employees of the power station due to very high doses of radiation and 3 deaths due to other reasons but not a single confirmed fatality in the general population. Indeed, he reported that the incidence of solid tumours among the rescue workers and population of the Bryansk district, the most contaminated area, was from 5 to 30% lower than the Russian general population. The UNSCEAR 2000b report stated that no increase in birth defects, congenital malformation, stillbirths, or premature births could be linked to radiation exposures caused by the Chernobyl fallout. The author cites other studies (thousands of residents of Taiwan exposed to cobalt-60 for up to 20 years, 200,000 American, British and Canadian nuclear workers, population groups living in areas of high natural radiation, follow-up on the residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima) all showing significantly reduced cancer mortality and congenital malformations. Perhaps this is not totally surprising after all. Small exposures to antigens stimulate our immune systems. Limited exposure to the ultraviolet radiation in sunlight is actually beneficial. Even alcohol. People who drink 1 to 2 glasses of wine per day live longer than those who drink not at all.
                Cancers and birth defects are typically a result of damaged DNA, yet living creatures have DNA repair mechanisms. It seems that low doses of radiation activate these mechanisms.

                The toll of dead and missing from the March 11 Fukushima earthquake and tsunami exceeds 28,000 people. The long term mortality from the consequent radioactive contamination is likely to be a scant fraction of this number. Efforts to protect health and life should reflect this reality.

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            • Gone2Hilo says:

              Good explaination of the mess BI.

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            • eeder says:

              I will choose a mega depression (getting shot in the stomach) as opposed to WW3 (getting shot in the head). And live to heal and fight another day.

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            • chupacabra says:

              Be Informed: By chance are you from Southern Utah? I have read your article in another location on the web under different authorship. Let me know.

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              • Be informed says:

                @ chupacabra. I only use this alias, others that write in a similar manner must feel the way I do. It is so easy to write this way because this is the way I honestly feel. Many will say something that they don’t believe for acceptance, hence the politician. When I say for example that I believe so strongly in freedom and the 2nd. Amendment, this is exactly the way I believe. By the way to your question, much further north.

                @ you don’t need to know. That area in Atka, Alaska in the Aleutian Islands when it gets active, usually so does Yellowstone. I think both Steve Quayle and Stan Deyp have mentioned this. The recent earthquake on the eastern Africa plate occurred in the exact same spot 2 weeks before the Haiti earthquake that killed about 300,000 people. The Caribbean is in earthquake watch until Oct.1.

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            • you don't need to know says:

              @BI, totally agree, you tend to be very logical in your writings….too bad you can’t write for some politician.

              I see alot going on in Alaska, the Caribbean and Yellowstone…. Please comment on what you see happening…=)

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          • sixpack says:

            @lastmanstanding, I understand completely. I have proven on more than one occasion, that I’m not prone to panic either. Some others see me as “stoic” or “unemotional” because I don’t lose my head when it counts.

            I guess sheeple have been programmed that it’s okay to be emotional, for so long, that they can’t separate separate when to be emotional and when it doesn’t help the situation.

            In essence, most people are never taught how to CONTROL their emotions, like FEAR. Those of us who can are lucky.

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              Sixpack…I just wanted to get along with everyone…

              I didn’t want any conflict…

              Then one day I woke up and realized that over half the people that lived in my country contributed less than nothing to me, you or our country and especially the earth we live on.

              I realized that my efforts were being taken from me in many ways…and from you as well.

              Then i decided to fight back.

              It always pissed me off that the govt always won and my vote never seemed to count.

              then as an owner of 2 businesses we have always contributed to our community…now we are the problem.

              No way you bastards win…molon labe.

              Stand with my wife and I Sixpack.

              “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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              • sixpack says:

                I got your six, lastmanstanding. I’ve been fighting this corrupt govt for over 3 decades and I’m not about to let up now.

                They’ve come for me before over my views and I’m sure they’ll do it again… Just not today.

                Since I now know what to expect, I’ll be more ready than I was before.

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          • Chip says:

            I have also been planning for years. It has given me time to get a lot of things done. Everytime you get something done, you think of something else. The only thing I am surprised at is that things have lasted as long as they have. It seems like everybody is holding on by their fingernails. I wonder what the “one” event will be that will trigger the onslaught????

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        • Shootit says:

          Depends how you have channeled your “freaked out energy”

          On the gov. news this morning they interviewed an older couple (60′s) that was rescued in CO from the flooding.

          “We had nothing. No water, no electricity, no heat, and no food. It was like living in a cave.” They had been stranded a couple of days. They would make good FEMA Camp residents if they didn’t die of exposure waiting for the FEMA Camp bus.

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        • Genius says:

          Hi Mac, about 10 of my posts have never made it here and have dissappeared. Is there a problem?

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      • Wolf359 says:

        If you want to know what panic is then just read Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Mathew Bracken, specifically book 3.

        You don’t need to read the books in succession.

        The scenario described after a New Madrid quake is horrifying to say the least.

        What’s more horrifying is the publicity of it throughout the unafected country and the governments response to it.

        The detail really opened my eyes to the lengths to which people who are prepared and are not can go and how it can quickly escalate.

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        • Night breaker says:

          Brackens books are great I have read them all including the anthologies volume of short stories,
          They are well wriiten by someone that has walked the walk and have an air of authenticity about them. His scenario’s are highly plausible .
          That scenario of the new Madrid quake aftermath was VERY sobering and realistic , even so the actual event will probably be 10 times worse. Some thing is going on everyone can feel it , the warning signs are there for those that see it .

          Be prepared to survive it many will not .

          The basic hints : Collapse scenario , unrest , martial law insituted but collapses into anarchy.

          1. Bug in as a first option , remain where your supplies are only leave as a last resort.
          Make your BIL look uninhibited toss old clothes unused hose hold goods on the lawn , black
          out the windows with opaque materials for light discipline , spay paint with black paint above
          the windows to simulate burned out conditions from a distance this can look realistic. Add a
          dead animal corpse hidden in the front of the property hidden the ranker the better . Be familiar
          with emergency marking used on surveyed building use the number designations for
          UNRECOVERED BODIES INSIDE. The object is to obtain the appearance of an unoccupied
          building if people are about . Do not engage individuals around your residence lead them
          away if persued when out scavaging or on overwatch.
          Prepare a position away but close enough to observe your resisence / hide / catch, if you must
          cook only if no others are around use a low profile fire / stove and only at night to conceal
          smoke be carefully of your light discipline. This is more luck them anything to remain unseen
          let the others kill themselves off first. REMEMBER BE QUIET , USE SOUND AND LIGHT
          DISCLIPINE, DO NOT ATTRACT ATTENTION!, TRAVEL AT NIGHT USE NOD’S . USE
          SOLAR FOR POWER AND RECHARGABLE BATTERIES, STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE.

          2. Bug out only when ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY you do not want to be a refugee, travel only
          at night to a pre-planed location ( Temporary Evac) . Keep to the tree lines avoid any natural
          lines of Drift others may be taking, avoid being followed. Stop , look and listen , glass any
          distant areas For activity before proceeding onward . Stop and check your 6 from concealment
          to acess whether your are being followed . Avoid any engagement this is survival not war
          fighting it is more of an ESCAPE AND EVADE ENVIRONMENT . If you set up a camp when
          out of the danger area find the most secluded inaccessible spot you can find , conceal it to
          match your envirnonment , keep from creating smells , sound , shine . On all of your optics you
          should use a “kill flash system” , only use your optics WITH YOUR BACK TO THE SUN to
          avoid giving away your position by glinting reflections. Move only at night set up camp before
          dawn and break camp only after dusk . Travel at night using NOD’s if equipped , watch
          your step keep sound to a minimum. You should have the basics in your bug out bag for
          water purification bad water will incapacitate you faster than anything ( KATADYNE POCKET
          FILTER , TABS, CANTEEN CUP/ STOVE) and other
          implements needed for survival, for shelter depending on season I use a HENNESSY
          EXPLORER HAMMOCK 4 season or a KIFARU PARATARP WITH ANNEX for winter with a
          para stove total weight less than 10 lbs each only one system at a time is packed depending
          on season. I through a camo net or cover over everything for concealment. REMEMBER YOU
          CANNOT CARRY EVERYTHING FOR SUSTAINED SURVIVAL IN THE WILDERNESS LONG
          TERM . if you do not have a bug out location with prepositioned supplies as most here
          probably are not fortunate enough to have , this can only
          be a temporary measure as a last resort to preserve you life.
          Be prepared to return to your BIL after the threat to retrieve hidden catched supplies to
          continue your survival.

          3. In the event of hostile engagement when on bug out break contact travel parallel lot the line
          of engagement in a flanking maneuver you do not what a protracted fighting situation with
          limited resources if this occures you will have an epic fail in you survival planning live to fight
          another day.
          Use METT in your planning METT= MISSION , ENEMY , TIME and TERRAIN to you
          avantage in your AO. You are on familiar ground they are probably not. GHILLE SUITS RULE
          THE DAY IN CONCEALMENT !

          4. I could probably go on longer but this is only a small idea of what you can do in a controllable
          fashion to increase your odds of survivabilty REMEMBER THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX BE
          CREATIVE BE UNPREDICTABLE. YOUR MIND IS YOUR PRIMARY WEAPON.

          READ / STUDY / FORM TEAMS

          IT COMING SOONER THAN WE THINK PREPARE

          RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

          Semper FI 8541

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          • Night breaker says:

            Sorry about the formatting I do not know what happened DAM IPAD!

            Semper Fi 8541

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              • Night breaker says:

                I thought I was giving helpful advise for others WITHOUT military training on what could help them when all other options fail and you have to evac or be killed , I really think this could occur in areas where a total breakdown occurs a WROL situation where the only choice you have is to leave or die when out numbered and defense is not an option. We cannot afford to loose anyone we are all important , more important than we can possibly imagine or realize . We so few, so very few will be tested , refined by fire and be expected when all this comes to pass, be the ones to rebuild our civilization based on TRUE VALUES , INTEGRITY, HONOR and not make the same mistakes again. THIS IS OUR HOPE AS A SPECIES IF WE FAIL WE HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT OURSELVES. STOP BLAMING OTHERS YOUR ARE FALLING FOR TPTB TRAP AND ARE BEING MANIPULATED TO WHERE THEY WANT YOU.

                These hints are based on HARD EARNED SKILLS that are exhibited every day by USMC RECON AND SCOUT SNIPER TEAMS IN HOSTILE TERRITORY and in harms way ,they kept me alive / functional with out obtaining additional holes I was not born with.
                Believe me if it gets this severe in your AO the bloodshed will be unimaginable and the psychological challenge dealing with it will be unsurmountable for some individuals.
                The rules of a civilized society will not apply to those on the OPFOR side.
                That thin blue or green line that keeps society civil will be vastly out numbered by those who intend harm for the sake of doing harm , the sociopaths that run it and the ones on the fringes of society.
                BE THE FREEFOR SIDE , DEFEND LIBERTY

                NO ONE WILL COME OUT OF THIS THE SAME ,YOU WILL BE TRANSFORMED AND FOREVER CHANGED.

                BE PREPARED

                RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

                Semper Fi 8541

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            • Night breaker says:

              From my previous post with more eye friendly formatting

              Night breaker says:
              Comment ID: 2184753
              September 6, 2013 at 5:29 am
              Braveheart,
              Your best bet in that circumstance is to escape and evade at night , you do not want to exfiltrate on any natural lines of drift. I.e. main roads, utility easements , rails etc that’s we’re every one else will be going . Take advantage of the confusion try to travel at night using NOD’s hole up during the day in a temporary hootch in the most dense cover and in the most out of the way place you can find. Keep noise , smells ( food prep to a minimum. Deep bury your waste ) . Keep your profile broken a recognizable shape can get you killed , stop , look and listen before moving and keep to inside of the tree line . Avoid sky lighting your self and if possible glass the area ahead before moving , when doing this keep the sun to your back to avoid reflections from you optical equipment giving you away. Make sure you break camp at dusk and set up camp just prior to sunrise check your site from a distance to be sure it is concealed enough to be prevent discovery.
              When traveling in a small group be sure to set watches when camped during the day. If alone try to find the most secluded spot you can. If evading regime forces be away of thermal signature when in a stationary posture during the day use a space blanket over your tarp to block your IR signature from FLEIR detection . If using radio tactically keep transmissions short then vacate the area imediately upon completion of communication to avoid being DF’d .

              IF you do stumble onto hostile others , break contact with minimal firing travel parallel to the noise avoid line of sight keep below the terrain (local military ridge) Always stop and check you 6 from cover .

              AVOID THE 3 DEADLY S’s: SHAPE, SHINE, SOUND

              Use METT; Mission , enemy , time and terrain to your advantage.

              ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS

              RESIST

              Semper Fi 8541

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          • His book Castigo Bay was good, too. Interesting description of ft. LAUDERDALE and area after economic collapse.

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          • old guy says:

            Ive made multiple small cashes of things. accessible only by foot. packed them in with a burro. lots of 100 pound bottles of lp. I made a hose to refill fill a camp stove bottle from the 100 pound Lp. Lp don’t smoke. it don’t require you to gather wood and leave evidence that someone is in the area. Lp will light from a welding striker in the pouring rain. traps & snares they are working 24×7 and don’t make noise. crossbow. several cheap russian 7.62×54 bolt action rifles and a ammo can with a 1000 rounds with each one. paid $35 each for those guns. bought the ammo from the sports mans guide for a half cent per round back when Clinton was president. for food ill eat the burro or anything else. Ive already accepted the reality ill likely have to leave my home. I will burn the buildings when I leave. No great loss a 1967 1000 square foot home that has no loan value. I bought the house and land at a state property tax forclousure auction for a pittance.

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          • My plan includes

            Have enough vittles on tap to not need any cooking for at least 18 weeks .

            No “tech sounds” be amazed how sharp hearing can be when one is cold starving and feral.

            Airplane liquor bottles too scatter about , contents best left too the magination.

            hugelculture anything that looks like an organized garden could bring unwanted attention. Drones are cheap and idiot friendly .

            lots of bird friendly growth , birds are good early warning system.

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        • Really ? I quite like the idea of so many feral sheep trapped east of the sippi. Far away from me.

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          • pissinwiththewind says:

            Well, M…

            Your referance to easterners, yanks and rebs, as “feral sheep” is disgusting.

            No one is safe from everything when SHTF. If you keep that mindset, you may have to eat those words one day.

            Hope you don’t have to ask this southern man for a handout. i would, give you an old leather shoe tongue to naw on.

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          • Scout says:

            Not a sheep sir if we are on this site.

            You have something against Lobsta people?

            United WE STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL

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      • Genius says:

        Looks like humanity is going to take out the trash! I’d much rather live simply and poor and free than the shit we have now. Don’t forget to pump CO2 down the ptb bunker airshaft :)

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      • To Mac Slavo says:

        MAC- TOR is not working here to post comments. Been like this last few days.

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        • Not sure the story with the TOR issues.

          Please email me at mac@ and let me know what kind of issue is occurring and we’ll try to track it down. It’s possible that TOR IP’s have been automatically blocked or marked as spam or something — not sure, but will gladly look into it.

          Thanks.

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          • O boy says:

            MAC-

            TOR uses MANY different IPs, and I to have had TOR work on here one day and not the next. I never took note of the IP’s that worked, and the ones that did not.
            YOu will probably need to add ALL TOR IPs to your “OK list”…….. my guess would be that some are seen as spam. If you google some of them they can come up as spam.

            It is unfortunate that you cannot seem to work this problem out, as for a site like this, anonymity would be a very important thing to protect.

            You should fix it, or have someone who knows how to, to add all IPs to a safe list.

            This is the first site that I personally have had a problem with TOR. I do not know about the other gentleman ( or woman) as they did not say.

            You said email Mac@………… Mac@ ? shtfplan?

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Quote

              It is unfortunate that you cannot seem to work this problem out, as for a site like this, anonymity would be a very important thing to protect.

              I disagree

              That would be exactly what TPTB want is for people to be afraid to stand up and be counted.

              I Refuse to live in fear of this crap. Will speak my mind and domt give a sideways crap what some treasonous fuck thinks or does.

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              • OK then says:

                KULA
                that is all well and good, but some of us choose to remain anonymous. That is called OPSEC that so many on here spout about.
                So speak for yourself. And good luck tough guy.

                I am also in the stay anon camp and try to use TOR or others.

                The guy should fix his damn site so it works.

                Otherwise it is all just BS what he says on here.

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                • Kulafarmer says:

                  Whatever,
                  I will stand with guys like Mac and Brandon S. and JWR.
                  The founders werent anonymous either,
                  As of this moment having an opinion contrary to a few government tit suckers isnt illegal, im sure these guys have bigger fish to fry than one small grower on Maui who has a propensity for independence and may be a bit outspoken, as of right now i am totally legit and way less questionable or threatening than many on the net.
                  But i get what your saying, to each his own.
                  TR

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              • Leonard M. Urban says:

                So, your mother actually named you “kulafarmer”, then?

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            • The Old Coach says:

              NSA compromised TOR from the start. Problem is probablu with one of the NSA nodes that your “secure” packets are being sent through.

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      • btruth says:

        Gold confiscation is till on the books since 1933! The Patriot Acts & NDAA openly state that, in the event of full blown martial law, YOU & EVERYTHING will be THEIR POSSESSIONS! So not only is gun confiscation on the books, but physical confiscation of all of your possessions are also on the books! Wake up and smell the fascist reality we live in! Food, Guns & Bullets over “precious” metals!

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      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah, and the problem is, if you read and study about ways to survive the approaching crises; if you say anything at all to your loved ones about all this, they attack you, make abusive remarks to you, completely misunderstand you.

        They are in their own little world and if you dare to challenge their beliefs, they treat you like crap!!

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      • Jeff says:

        God bless you lastmanstanding
        Hold tight
        Hang on
        Never give up the truth

        Jeff

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      • Panic early, and often. ;)

        Panic is mother nature’s defense mechanism, it is designed to overcome DIS-EASE of normalcy bias.
        Listen to the little voice in the back of your head, or die with the herd.

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      • Justice says:

        Panic is contagious and panic kills. Panic motivates people to take actions they would otherwise not consider. Preparation and traing can prevent panic. Train like you will fight so you will fight like you train ! Hesitate and you will die.

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    2. ptmama says:

      gold and silver are still a cheap
      right now

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      • Outlaw says:

        Just picked up some “junk silver” from a little shop in town yesterday. They were selling pre 1965 quarters for $5.50 each and pre 1965 dimes for $3 each. I laughed pretty hard when I saw the price. The store was owned by an “eastern man”, so I pulled out my phone and checked spot price. Made him an offer on the whole lot. Score!

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        • Archivist says:

          Silver value at market close today was $4.02 for quarters and $1.61 for dimes. I think paying almost double for silver dimes is a bit much. Check coinflation dot com for metal value of coins.

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          • DaytonaMatt says:

            Don’t forget, silver is an excellent antibiotic. Pure, NOT Sterling, can easily be dissolve with a 6V alkaline battery. Connect silver to positive, any wire to neg. Submerge silver in cup of water, run until lightly milky. Can be taken internally, or applied externally. This can be found in books and youtube. I only bring this up because I’ve seen it in action, then used it myself. I’ve made it with a 12V solar panel as well. Hospitals are turning to it due to resistance. Just keep out of direct sunlight. Be safe!
            Standing ready in Daytona

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            • Outlaw says:

              Hey Daytona, mostly good advice, but you really need closer to 30v and the water needs to be pure distilled water to start. It should not appear milky in color when finished. There is a lot of misinfo out there about producing colloidal silver, so be careful.

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            • If it is milky or red, it has contaminants…
              Most likely caused by your using non .999 silver on BOTH electrodes.
              Also, use a mixer to stir the water and mix co2 in, this fixes the silver ions.
              Now… as to the voltage.
              A little more than 1.5 volts is sufficient to cause electrolysis… anything more will simply cause heat and corrosion. This is what cured my leg of sepsis from a dog bite, after the antibiotics failed and the doc said my leg ‘may have to come off’… desperate measures, surprised the doc…

              What you will produce is ‘Holy Water’, this is what the ancients called it. The Catholics corrupted the term by throwing out the science and calling it ‘witchcraft’, and then thinking the water simply needed a blessing. That worked out real well…
              Believe it, or not. (Lookup Baghdad battery)

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          • Tactical says:

            Let the thumbs down fly but part of the article stated: “As an investment adviser and strategist, Fleckenstein obviously focuses his dialogue on the financial and economic”. Oh well when “such names” recommend any strategies I always do the opposite. We have gotten screwed over and over by these sort of EVIL Geniuses.

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          • Outlaw says:

            Thanks Archivist, see reply below.

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          • Barn Cat says:

            At providentmetal.com they have junk silver for $18.06 per face value dollar. That’s about $1.80 per dime and $4.52 per quarter. Shipping is extra. I usually buy at least 50 face value dollars at a time. The last time I bought them I got quarters.

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          • Outlaw says:

            I guess I was a little too vague when I stated

            “I laughed pretty hard when I saw the price. The store was owned by an “eastern man”, so I pulled out my phone and checked spot price. Made him an offer on the whole lot. Score!”

            So to clarify for those who did not understand.

            The Eastern man had each one in a nice little stamp baggy like they were something real special. This is why I laughed pretty hard, because the price was obviously extremely high.
            I then pulled out my smartphone and checked coinflation. At that point I made him an offer on the whole lot. It took a little haggling, about 15 minutes worth to be exact, but I walked out of the store paying $4 each for the quarters, and 1.69 each on the dimes. It was only a handful, but I thought I did pretty good.

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        • Leonard M. Urban says:

          Make sure it’s not magnetic. I’ve seen a lot of “silver” dollars that are…

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      • MX Mike says:

        The gold and silver dealio is fine ONCE YOU HAVE ATTAINED SOME FORM OF AUTONOMY/SELF RELIANCE. You can’t eat gold. If things get truly bad, food and survival items will trump precious metals. Once some form of governing system has taken hold, a resurgence in some type of monetary form will take precedence. Until such time, the old adage “he who has the gold makes the rules” will apply. Those with wealth and means will still have station albeit not like what is in existence today. Scary times comin’ people……..

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    3. Sookie sookie says:

      Divide total assets by total paper and you will see what the paper is truly worth. Get into something physical while you have the chance. The unwind will be fierce and those holding paper at that time will find it buys nothing. USA = Wiemar… The only question is when the masses will realize.

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    4. Sookie sookie says:

      I see you got the first… Thanks

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    5. The Rifleman Next Door says:

      After this crises comes and passes…provided civilization as we recognize it can pull itself together when the dust has settled; if the world goes back to a gold or rare metals-backed reserve currency, those who hold physical metal will be able to buy more of that new reserve currency and get into the reality-based market an grow wealth.

      That reserve currency will most likely not be a western-based one.

      IMHO, The objective here for the prepper is surviving the assured calamity without having to use any gold, platinum, palladium or silver for trade or barter in order to get-by until humanity is ready to get back with a system.

      Hopefully if this happens, it will be more honest, trustworthy, sustainable and predictable than what out complex and manipulated market economy and political control system has morphed into right now.

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      • Sookie sookie says:

        The system will not go back to honest money because those running the system are not honest. They do not want what is best for the people. They want what is best for the top, and that is not honest money. We’ll have the same rebranded crap we have now, not money but a fiction.

        I don’t like this, but we must be realistic.

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        • The Rifleman Next Door says:

          To Sookie Sookie comment 2238319:

          I agree with you. In this kind of world and with these kinds of people…hope is no more than another four-letter word.

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        • ENFP says:

          The system we will go to will most likely be electronic because those running it want control. If all commercial transactions have to be electronic they will know everything you are doing and withdraw what they want when they want for whatever reason they want!

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      • Highspeedloafer says:

        “Hopefully if this happens, it will be more honest, trustworthy, sustainable and predictable than what out complex and manipulated market economy and political control system has morphed into right now.”

        Not if you believe in the depravity of man.

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      • MadMarkie says:

        Yo Rifleman -

        It was back in the early 80′s that I first became aware of the trade in so-called ‘trash’ silver, pre 1965, 90% US silver coins. I was down at my coin dealer’s shop to check out a Walking Liberty half dollar that I was interested in purchasing. This young couple came in and purchased some coins that came out of #10 cans on the back counter.

        The folks out there who are far enough along with their preps & planning to be able to invest in PMs, to invest in bullion, are not, for the most part, buying to trade and sell as the market rises and falls. They are buying it to hold against a time when the FRN is no longer accepted or is worthless in trade. In other words, they buy it in order to stash it and forget about it until needed.

        Anything “old” has a tendency to rise in value, especially if it is in original, ‘pristine’ condition. Do yourself a favor if you are buying American Silver Eagles in less than roll quantities (20). Splurge!!! Go ahead and be a ‘big-spender’!!!! Invest the extra $1.25 and buy an Airtight plastic holder with the foam ring that holds the coin securely and protects it in an atmosphere that is largely devoid of air. This is a MUST for any gold coins. I recently saw a gold 1 oz. Maple Leaf (24k) that had been ‘kicking-around’ loose in a box with a bunch of Peace Silver Dollars. It was scratched, nicked and looked like crap. I wouldn’t have wanted it for any price. If you are purchasing gold & silver bullion coins …….. then please protect your investment.

        God Bless & good luck …… please enjoy your family and friends this weekend.

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        • sixpack says:

          I buy any gold for weight. I can establish purity (karat) on the spot, so I can take advantage of any opportunity. But I’m not trying to be a coin collector.

          I used to collect baseball cards. Unless you have a “one and only” card that some rich collector really wants, the cards end up being useless and worthless when you need it the most. I learned that collector’s items are not liquid assets.

          After all, ‘liquid assets’ are what we’re talking about, right? If you can’t trade it or sell it when you need to, it is of little practical use.

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      • Them Guys says:

        Next likly Money system will probobly be Computerized Cashless. If so all you then will need do to trade off for New moneys is accept chip implant and Sell Soul to Satan as price You pay. Its the system they been working to perfect the last 40 yrs or longer ever since first scanners were installed in grocey chain stores. Along with that UPC-Symbol on every item for sale.

        Saw the man who Invented that UPC symbol on some TV special show. he said that the very First LONG black ink line, and the very Middle Long black line, and the Final last Long Black ink line all have NO numbers underneath those Three long lines. He said rason is because those three longer black lines on EVERY UPC symbol on everything sold now all have a numerical value of “SIX” imbedded in the Magnetic Ink.

        We never see those three 6′s but the scanner computers do register it as a 6 value number. Therefore every UPC symbol item avail to buy already Has Three Six’s in its price label. aka “666″ Mark of Beast.

        How else can that “666″ mark necessary to Buy or Sell anything be implemented unless its all been set up way in Advance quietly on unsuspecting people.

        it will have to be a system ready to operate soon as announced to offset folks from makeing alternative options like preps etc..Even with prepe sooner or later you will need choose the number or not.

        instead of show me your papers like Russian Kommie CHEKA, it will now be..”Show me Your Right Hand or Forehead Chip-Implant device!”

        Jackboots at major squeeze points everywheres and nobody escapes the Mark/666. All that reject it will be Killed.

        Thats very likly the Very Next step or phase regarding monetary practices etc.

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        • Guesty McGuesterson says:

          I’ve been a barcode technician for many years, and I highly doubt this.

          The two most widely-used barcode symbologies in the Western world are the 12-digit UPC-A (used for retail scanning on nearly every consumer product) and Code 3 of 9 (also nicknamed Code 39, used mostly for warehouse cartoning and distribution logistics).

          The Code 39 format has asterisks at the beginning and end of every code, and an asterisk consists of a mixture of five different-width bars. The UPC-A contains only those numbers which are printed right below the bars. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CRYPTIC NUMBERS INSERTED.

          There are a few dozen symbologies (or algorithmic formats, to use a different definition) in existence, but 99% of all barcodes used in commerce and retail today are these two. There is no way to insert ’666′ into them, as all software and scanner equipment across the Western Hemisphere is already set up for the existing symbologies, and they wouldn’t be able to read it anyhow.

          I highly doubt that standard barcoding will be much of a tool for a NWO (or Antichrist) scheme. Look to the superior properties of RFID for that, instead.

          My two cents’ worth…

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        • Prepped in CT says:

          We basically live in a cashless society now. Most purchases are made digitally, with either a debit or credit card.

          Plus, with all the reading I’ve been doing lately about the NSA and wanting to keep track of everything, that would be one way for them to have complete access to absolutely everything you do.

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    6. jetwork says:

      There is a constant checking of ones position. On one side we are told everything will be okay. On the other side, common sense tells us, all is not well, and we must do something to prepare. After looking at both sides I think it is apparent that all is not well. It would be wise to prepare for trouble. Even if you are just doing some lite prepping. Now I see how stories from my grandparents and parents are starting to make sense. Why did I doubt them.

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      • braveheart says:

        Jetwork, welcome aboard to the world of prepping. any questions you have about prepping, don’t be afraid to ask, we’ll be glad to help any way we can. braveheart

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        • Urban dog brave troll on a roll says:

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          • OutWest says:

            Good grief, U dog, can’t you say anything without
            using braveheart as a third party crutch?

            When braveheart is taken out of your comments, it
            becomes very clear that you have nothing meaningful
            to add at all.

            I say braveheart can walk tall with head held high
            since he can dominate your mono-thought train with
            such relative ease that you become the submissive
            cur in this fight over intellectual superiority.

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            • Urban dog brave troll on a roll says:

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            • braveheart says:

              OutWest, I appreciate the thought, but I don’t think urban dog meant anything bad about it. I’ve been called nuts by other people far worse than him and still take it as a compliment. braveheart

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          • PO'd Patriot says:

            Really dude/dudette? The braveheart infatuation is getting kinda pitiful. How bout giving it a break.

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          • braveheart says:

            Urban dog, I’m going to shock you this time. Anyone in the MSM or any other libturds and nonpreppers would call me or any other prepper nuts, but coming from you, I’ll accept it as a compliment. I live in the real world, not the libturds’ fantasy world. braveheart

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            • Urban brave troll on a roll says:

              Brave. I will be nicer. Prepping isn’t my reason for calling you nuts. It’s your view on the rest of the world. Pretty much everything is a conspiracy and or a red flag. You and many here are fixated on politics and gun issues. Guns are not going away. Guns, like abortion are a wedge issue and neither party wants them to go away. Of course none of you agree. I own guns and am apolitical. Both parties are the same. One wants in your pockets and the other wants you to line the monied pockets. What you say about the recent presidents could be said about all.
              No problem kicking the right ass. Iraq was stupid and we were mislead. Syria would be the same if we started with them. No doubt we would be bombing away right now if 60 percent of Americans didn’t want to do it.
              It would be nice if this site focused more on prepping than bombastic rhetoric. It gets old and won’t stop. Talking about the right gun for a situation would be better than saying “I would shoot them”. I think pm are bad investments and pro/con has been exhausted. Everyone does what they think is best and don’t need, yet seek validation in the form of snotty comments. ( yes I know I make regular snotty comments). It would be helpful to read ideas rather than angry rants. I
              Don’t think brave and I would be able to stand 5 minutes discussing views and why try.
              Brave, you a huge part of the problems here. Telling people to leave and getting shitty when the disagree with you is infantile. You complain too much when people fuck with you. It gets to the point where you need a tampon because you are a pussy.

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              • braveheart says:

                Urban, if I’m a pussy, then why did I get suspended for fighting in school more times than I want to remember? Even had my share of fights standing up for my wife when she was alive, because she was a foreigner. I’ve always walked tall and held my head up regardless of whatever I went through in life. My wife was the person who sold me on prepping and I’ve never regretted it. I’ve been through more SHTF situations than you can imagine and survived each and every one of them. When I get into such a situation, I roll up mu sleeves and go to work on the problem myself. I’m self-sufficient in my own needs wherever possible. I’ve never cried out, ‘Where’s the government?’. I’ve always handled problems myself. with the exception of my wife, I’ve never trusted anyone. never depended on anyone but myself. I’ll agree with you about PMs. you definitely can’t eat them. My money goes into things I know will help me survive like storable foods, water, water purification items, camping equipment, medical supplies, heavy-duty clothing, etc. I always have peace of mind knowing I can survive anything without depending on government for a damned thing. I’ll also agree that the US needs to get out of other countries’ affairs and bring the troops home. there’s nothing overseas worth one American life. You say guns won’t go away? I sincerely want to believe that along with all of the other gun owners out there. But the fact is there is a group of people who have been working since the 60s to take away our guns under one false pretext or other. we’re living under a federal government that makes its evil intentions toward us known every day through words and deeds. People like us are not the problem; it’s the government. I never saw a politician from any party that was any good, with few exceptions. You say you’re apolitical? congratulations, that’s easier said than done. politics are part of life. sad, but true. there are times when politics can be avoided, but not all of the time. if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. Politics comes with the territory, unfortunately. You say i’m nuts because of my views? then, you might as well call the majority of people her the same thing because i’m not alone with my views. that’s OK. we get called the same thing by the MSM sites all the time, so no surprise there. on my reaction to people who disagree, I only get shitty if they act like trolls such as ncjoe and rich99 and start making unjustifiable attacks on people here. if they state their disagreement in a sensible and intelligent manner, I’ll be as civil as anyone can hope for. as long as you’re contributing something meaningful to the discussion, that’s great. That’s what we strive for at this site. I don’t even like to lose my temper with anyone if it can be avoided, but there’s times when someone will give me good reason to do so. that’s also part of life so I know how to deal with it. As long as you don’t act like a troll here, you’ll be welcome. If you act like a troll here, expect to be rebuked by someone here.

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                • urban dog brave troll on a roll says:

                  Gee whizzer Brave, someone needs a midol.Good quotes on the country song about standing for something. Choosing not to be a fool and play within a corrupt system is not as the country song goes, falling for anything. As far as a scolding from you and others, I live for them. Got suspended for fighting? Goodie for you, and way to stand up to bullies. Now as Eisenkruez would say….blow it out your ass old man. You are still a loser who can’t get a loan and got used in your first marriage in order to scam immigration laws. Unlucky in life I guess. Big Kiss and I enjoy your anger.

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      • Tom T says:

        Yes, my grandparents raised a family during the depression. We grandkids used to laughingly call their basement the “bomb shelter” as it had a bar and shelves upon shelves of food two freezers full. It took me awhile to get it as the stories they told of were true. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

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        • Leslie Anne says:

          Oh my gosh, that sounds like my grandparents, too. They practically had a “store” in their basement. Need maraschino cherries? There were like a dozen jars on the shelf. Same with coconut, chocolate chips, olives, pickles, canned goods, frozen items…whatever was needed was on hand and in large quantity. I’m more a from-scratch cook than the grandma’s were, but they really endured a lot with the Great Depression, the wars, and growing up on farms. I can see where they would want to take it a bit easy with packaged goods. When my mom asked about canning, my grandmother said she already had her fill of hard work in life and told my mom to just go buy canned veggies at the store :)

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    7. Sookie sookie says:

      The system will not go back to honest money because those running the system are not honest. They do not want what is best for the people. They want what is best for the top, and that is not honest money. We’ll have the same rebranded crap we have now, not money but a fiction.

      I don’t like this, but we must be realistic about what to expect.

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    8. Satori says:

      now this is getting interesting

      ANYONE FOR A COUP?

      http://www.theburningplatform.com/2013/09/13/anyone-for-a-coup/

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    9. “When the US dollar is crushed by our foreign creditors and our government can no longer support the 100 million Americans dependent on electronic government benefits to put food on the table or keep a roof over their heads,(?????????????????????) it is then that the whole system as we have come to know it goes into meltdown, complete with panic, looting, and emergency intervention under the banner of martial law.”

      The space I created with question marks is the truly scary part, it’s when they cut SS, Military retirements, and go after private retirement accounts in order to stop the bleeding.

      The sheep will believe this a fix, but those of us with even a bit of sense know it will only buy us 6 to 12 months, it will be during that time the prepared will be in the most danger.

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    10. Southern Border says:

      Were in bad company nowadays, its all a fantasy, brings back old memories !!!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQGqUfKbzk

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    11. Prepared Pastor says:

      Rural WV is no stranger to hardship. It is basically a third-world country already. We don’t panic when a winter storm knocks out power for a couple weeks or when flood waters wash away the homes in the valley. Many parts are essentially third-world already and about 10,000 households still do not have flush toilets. We simply have less distance to fall and outsiders cannot get into the deep hollers to cause trouble.

      Will there be panic? Some, but not like in cities where people rely on the collective to provide them with meat, heat, power, and water. Our population is essentially the same as in 1930 before rural electrification and The Great Depression.

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      • Shooty McBang says:

        Heehee, you folks will survive , come what may. The rest will only be spoken about down the road.

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      • king krazy says:

        Prepared Pastor you must live in Mingo county or somewhere in the southern part. I live in “rural West Virginney” and I don’t know of anyone who exclusively uses an outhouse, in fact everyone of the hill Williams here has satellite TV at the bare minimum and fancy cell phones and whatnot. The problem will be all the junkies coming off the the pills. I would not want to be in Pineville when the SHTF. That town will go nuts detoxing. ;)

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        • To Mac Slavo says:

          KING KRAZY-

          Your right about Mingo, and I would say that is exactly where he is.
          He is also not an old timer ROM there, and as much as he write about his “neighbors” he would be first one to go if anything SERIOUS went down, and the southern parts are not anywhere near where I would choose to be if I were him. But I’m not. That will be a tiny NYC with violence just as bad form the meth heads. I know the whole estate well and like it some, but 1/2 of it are meth heads, and the remaining 3/4 are inbred alcoholic.

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          • To Mac Slavo says:

            King Krazy— sorry, I almost forget the 1/4 that are hooked on oxy’s.
            AND all have guns…. GOOD LUCK! Like anywhere else it will have it’s troubles, but they WILL be big ones.
            even the smallest populated areas can be worse than heavily populated for a large number of reasons…

            but those that don’t know, will know at some point if this happens.

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            • Them Guys says:

              My Prediction from a few weeks ago looks to be Now Reality. IE: I posted that I believe a Major reason for all of this recent uprisings all over the Mid east regions is to create Two main goals of Israel desires. #1 to get as many muslims and arabs killed off as possible. And #2 to Force all the rest to Flee the region as Refugees.

              Well late last nite RT tv news had a news item about Europe. Seems germany appears to be the First nation so far that is Loudly complaining of mid east muslims and Refugees trying to flood into germany! German folks say NO! They are fed up being so overrun by too many immigrants who refuse or are not able to assimilate.

              And germans are fed up Paying for so many NON german folks that keep flooding into their german nation, so as for more refugees…Forget that idea!

              Just you folks wait. I predicted besides europes nations, Next its going to affect usa and canada when so many tens of millions, maybe Hundreds of millions in mid east region are forced to flee as refugees and OUR fed govnt and do gooder, anti-white-Kommies in america Begin to Demand we allow them to enter usa and live Here same as mexican illeagles does now.

              If I am proven right again, who wants to Bet the first areas selected to place hoards of Mid east refugee muslims into will be…Rural White areas all over america.

              The kommie bastards cannot stand to see 99-100% All white areas in the usa no matter where or what state it is.

              While kommie zionists of israel foment more wars, and our neocon war hawks and zionists kommies Here, inside and outside of neocon and dem lib partys, will cause as many refugees as possible to flood white areas of usa.

              Its All being done there so israel can get their Greater Yisrael they Wrongly believe is a right they possess.

              They want an All/Only Jewish State without anything else but white askanazi khazars to live in that expanded greater Yisrael lands, while for Us white folks in usa, the same zionists kommies there and Here want a total destruction and whiteys as a small Minority in the nation orig founded BY white europeans and christians, FOR white european stock peoples and christians.

              If that is the True plans unfolding and fomented and Front-Run by them zio Khazar bastards(really they are edomites) then I for one person will not shed a single tear, if some arabs and muslims Turn the tables and wipe out massive numbers of said Khazar kommie zionists.

              I for one have really had it with seeing america, and My people, whites continously screwed with and with Their Evil agendas designed to fully destroy and exterminate all or most all of us here in Our Home nation.

              Every day 50 times per day for last 50 yrs we had to listen to them whiny khazar zio jews constant calling us white seperatists and raysis etc etc…When All the while it is They who keep Demanding to own an All white Only “Jewish State”!

              There are No greater raysist, anti christian, anti white European, lying, coniving, scum anywheres on earth than those swindling kommie Khazar zionists Period.

              I hope another Hundred Million americans wake up Fast and begin to keep complaining like They always do. Fight Fire With Fire eh! Use Their methods and ways against Them for a change. This is how They Thank america and whites here for being the absolute best nation and best Peoples to ever have Hosted their worthless sorry asses.

              Just remember You who Seek and Speak Truth, they Are going to call You a raysis and a Nazi antisemite, No matter What!…So You may as well Go All OUT!

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      • PP… that’s the good thing about living at the bottom or near it…not far to fall… :)

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    12. Shooty McBang says:

      Just remain calm. Relax and remember not to waste your energy on things that you can not change. Use your energy wisely and to the benefit of those around you. We reap what we sew. Let us sew good stuff. We will be the beneficiaries .

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    13. MayBeSo says:

      You bet it will get bad quick,

      On that aubject, a question…

      Got Milk?

      Yep, and Beans, Bullets, Band-Aids, as well…

      But lately,

      GOT – Chevy Silverado 4×4 HD 2500 DURAMAXX, 105K miles

      GOT – Arctic Cat Super Duty !DIESEL! ATV!,

      GOT – 40′, “Arctic Package’ gooseneck ‘Toy Hauler’ for it,

      GOT – 2ea 500 Gallon Fuel Tanks which are portable (barely) when dry

      More to get yet? You bet, but the list is growing shorter by the week.

      GETTING – Bidding on some multi-thousand gallon portable military fuel
      storage bladders….great items, ranging in in sizes from
      1000 gallon up to 50,000…fuel stored in those is NOT suject
      to atmospheric contamination as they are NOT rigid and so adjust
      to the expanasion/conntraction of any stored fuel naturally…

      I HAVE BEEN a ‘little’ busy’ lately with what I’ve been aquiring (listed)
      so you all will forgive me for being preoccupied, I presume. The 2nd entry
      above is AMAZING…a DIESEL ATV, which I used only last week to pull my
      9300 lb pickup out of a soft spot…GREAT pulling power everyone. I’ve
      put a few miles on the ATV since I got it last month and have just got
      it past the 50 hour break-in period. What’s interesting here is that -
      broke-in – as it is, I am getting almost 55 miles/gallon fuel mileage.
      When I was with some friends last week, out riding our bikes for the day,
      they had to fill-up in the morning and by evening they were dry…I wasn’t.
      In fact, I didn’t have to fill up till the latter part of the following
      week…imagine that!

      Also, I’ve discovered a marvelous bit of kit to go along with that; A
      company called ‘CamoPlast’ makes a set of tracks that convert it into
      a fully tracked vehicle with more surface area on the ground than any
      snowmobile, anywhere; speciically, more than 3 times the floatation of
      a snowmobile! Oh, and FWIW here…Arctic Cat does market thier own
      ‘Tiger Trax’ kit for the same purpsoe BUT IT is not certified for the
      DIESEL line at all; the CamopPlast kit IS certified, so…

      Given that Diesel can be successfully stored for YEARS when treated
      properly, whereas the gasoline being refined today contians so much
      ‘cruft’ that it degrades almost completely after a year or so, I’m
      thinking that I’ve got these bases covered reasonably well.

      I wasn’t kidding when last I spoke here, saying that I’m, of the
      opinion that ‘it’s high time to be going’…you all do whatever you
      like. I noticed a Russian fellow here above, who posted that maybe
      it’a time to quit ‘bugging people about this “Doom and Gloom” stuff:
      I think he’s right…

      By now you’re EITHER in one camp…or the other, Eh? Sooo, maybe
      it’s about time to be solely concerned with the MOST IMPORTANT things,
      which is to say, first – yourself – then whatever Family that is like-
      minded. By now you all have probably intuited that things aren’t QUITE
      what they seem to be, in the World at large. Those who haven’t managed
      to ‘get it’ yet simply won’t in my estimation, so you might as well
      concentrate your effort’s and energy’s on things that will. I remember
      a phrase from out of an old ‘Star Trek’ episode here which goes to the
      heart of the matter. When Kirk is maneuvered into battling Spock for
      the affections of Spock’s betrothed, one T’Pring, he is at a grave
      disadvanatge as the air is far to thin for him. Deforrest kelly, playing
      ‘Bones’, tells T’Pau that he (Kirk) doesn’t stand a chance at the combat,
      to which T’Pau replies,

      “The Air is the Air…What can be done?”

      Here too, perhaps we are seeing – now, today – that some things simply
      ARE, and are NOT amenable to changes we might wish….even if those
      ‘things’ are other people, even loved one’s…desist, they willl EITHER
      BE ‘CALLED’ or they will NOT…such is the process of ‘winnowing’…of
      ‘selection’.

      So too, now perhaps those who ARE inclined to ‘look ahead’ might realize
      that the time to preach is nearly over, and if so, then the FINAL leg of
      preparing may be all too near at hand, THAT is YOUR CHOICE…therefor,

      “CHOOSE, and Profit…or BE DAMNED by that self-same Choice.”

      You do NOT have forever to make your choice, for as others make thier’s
      then so will your options become more and more limited…for the World is
      LIMITED, as is all that is within it and whatsoever another takes to
      themselves will not be there for you when the moment comes that your need
      is plainly evident, revealed.

      Anyway, that’s my ‘Happy Thought’ for everyone here today…Hope you
      ENJOY it!! Till later everyone! (‘Smiley Face’ here)

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      • Genius says:

        GOOD OPSEC MAYBESO!

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        • MayBeSo says:

          Ya think?!?!?

          Seriously, everyone…IF you haven’t figured out by now the full extent of JUST how much ‘they’- the three letter agency’s – know about YOU, given the revelations – in the MSM of all places – lately, then possibly you shouldn’t be let out of the house…off a leash, that is.

          At this point, it comes down to MAYBE getting a few good folk of the better sort to MOVE thier asses to GET the last of what they need…before something ‘Bad’ DOES happen.

          Whether that will be a type II class 3 ‘Bad’ or a generic type ‘Bad’ is, and has been subject to MUCH debate, as everyone here is FULLY AWARE – well – so frankly, it’s ANYBODY’S Guess,…and since guesses are a lot like rectums; everyone has one and they all stink, then by all means, do as you please…time’s a wastin’ here….thinga to do

          Nighty-nite Everyone

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        • Outlaw says:

          Sounds more like boasting to me Genius. I’d hate to see this guys monthly payments. If he paid cash for all of it, then great! However my savings do not run that deep.

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            Doesnt matter how many cool doodads some guy has, a guy with a 308. And a keen eye can end his life in a split second from 400m away!
            I can fit most of my important stuff in my jeep and boogie out of here in minutes if i have to.
            Like Selco says in his course you might need throw gun away and run so you can look like other kind people running away from danger then pick up nother gun from some dead guy, he dont need gun anymore!

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      • Dave in ID says:

        Very Impressive..I see you thought about what is needed and have the $$$$ to purchase good equipment. Get the tracks for the artic cat, as I see the track marks in the snow when I am snowshoeing in the deep woods. The Chevy should survive a EMP, the artic cat is a maybe as the ecm doesnt need to be shielded like a vehical on the highway. I will assume you have “Fallout” covered as part of your prep.

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        • MayBeSo says:

          @ both Dave in ID and Kulafarmer,

          @ Dave in ID,

          Thanks for your read here (on the tracks)…I WAS immensely impressed with what I’ve seen thus far in various Vids showing what they can do…your observation goes right to that. While I’m here, another point on the Arctic Cat Super Duty Diesel: beleive it or not…the damn thing runs on Dieael I, Diesel II, Arctic Diesel, !! JP4 !!, !! JP8 !!…and – get ready for it here folks!! “BIO-DIESEL” as well!! “Holy Moly!” Who would have thought that they could do all THAT with a lil bitty ‘ol Diesel engine? Damn!, THAT’S what sold me at the end. As far as the Chevy, the only component that I would worry about in an EMP situation, would be the starter. I THINK. what I’ve seen on the emp thing, on the web, suggest that MOST of the electronics would survive almost anything short of a near-strike (nuclear) but more than once I have seen references to the STARTER’S being vulnerable…and no, I DON’T know WHAT the resson for that IS, just relaying what I’ve stumbled across here and there. Most of the other things we’d need to worry about I THINK I have ‘under control’ (crossed fingers on that one)…time will tell, won’t it?

          @ Kulafarmer…Yep…got that one right. Don’t take much to lay even the BEST equipped folks down in the dust with VERY little effort, but…it’s not WHAT you have so much as HOW you use it – now – start use EVEYTHING you have to best effect, since – clearly – trying to work with what you DON’T have is no more than wishful thinking. As things have evolved over the last year I find myelf coming back to just a few questions over and over again. The primary one that keeps going through my mind lately is this: IF I mis-estinmate WHEN “TSHTF” will happen on the ‘near side of the event, then no harm done, as it were; IF I mis-estimate on the WRONG side of the line then it’s ‘curtains’…the End.

          Where are we at now? Hmmm? Does anyone know for sure? I see a lot of people playing in the markets like there is not even a POSSIBILTY of anything going wrong…that seems a bit too much like things were in 1929 to me, FWIW. Here’s the thing, or rather the point I was trying to make in my original post above; GASOLINE will be utterly USELESS in approximately 2 years from the time you first store it, while Diesel can go on for a very long time indeed. Soooo, – MAYBE, just MAYBE – everyone had better start learning to think outside of the ‘gasoline bubble’ that we all grew up in. It’s hard to do – I KNOW, (Damn, I still haven’t found a DISEL chainsaw yet!) – but it can be done (for the most part) as I’ve found out recently.

          Do what you can, Do what you must…but mostly !DO!…the sooner-the better, I think.

          What I see daily in the markets, is little short of TERRIYING…the “Stoopid SHITZ” that run everything we see around us have leveraged the system up so HIGH that the fall WILL be – in a word – “Spectacular”…that includes the Government, Corporate America as well as the Governmants of EVERY developed nation on Earth….CHINA’s “miraculous” transition to industrialism is s MILLION-FOLD leveraged fookin’ joke, a POS-lie!…why do yo think all those RICH Chinese buinessmen (WITH thier family’s) are leaving China by the hundreds? Things are NOT good…and NOT going to get better Friends…EVER.

          I think about what Be Informed JOG have told us us here (before he left); I read what Satori keeps us up to snuff on – and I don’t think it’s going to improve…and lately it SCARES the SHIT CLEAN out of me. I WILL ACT soon, now…in fact; I AM NOT going to be left on the far side of what is coming without what I need, what mine need. I SUGGEST that everyone re-consider just WHERE they THINK things actually are, right NOW. I did…and I’m acting on that NOW, TODAY…no more delays, as I said above originally.

          Folks, it takes TIME to realign an entire LIFE, an entire family…HOW much TIME is left, do you think…Really?

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            10-4
            Is also dependent on AO
            All your goodies would be real nice if your remote and surrounded by like minded souls!
            Plus they are real fun in the mean time when things are ok!
            Enjoy life,
            Play safe

            PS
            I tend to be a bit of a gear junkie too!
            Cheers

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      • The_Dr_Is_Real_In7 says:

        MaybeSo: have you heard of PRI-G Gasoline Treatment? It is supposed to increase the life of (and even revive) stored gasoline. It is recommended by Nitro-Pak Preparedness Center (http://www.nitro-pak.com/pri-g-gasoline-treatment-quart) It supposedly only takes a few tablespoons to preserve gas for quite some time.

        You have a very impressive list of goodies. If you need a good chiropractic physician with herbal remedy experience, let me know!

        God bless

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        • The Old Coach says:

          I checked it out. Pri-G is three times as expensive as Sta-Bil and has to be renewed every year, which Sta-Bill doesn’t. No thanks !

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          • Genius says:

            Pay attention Coach! A bottle of stabil treats about 90 gallons, a bottle of pri-g treats 520 gallons! Stabil lasts 3 months, pri-g lasts one year. Learn how to read labels geeeez.

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        • MayBeSo says:

          @ DRisrealin7,

          Never heard of that one, I MIGHT want to check it out, Thannks. I can only relate what a PE (Petroleum Engineer) friend of mine indicated; that all the alcohol, along with a couple of other ‘things’ they are putting in the gas lately, basically, make any gasoline, a ‘perishable item’.
          Gee…NOW who would wnat to make gasoline PERISHABLE? DOH!
          THE COPRS, of course!

          AS far as Chiropracter, buddy, I’ll sign you on!!…I hate the thought of never getting ‘adjusted’ AGAIN…truly, a fate wore than DEATH!! Again, thanks for the link, I’ll get back in a few days, when I get back from out of town.

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    14. I do not believe gold/silver will soar in value , I believe the respective currency units will be printed to make the perceptual value on gold/silver appear to have soared in value.For example if gold was $30 an ounce in 1930 and fast forward to today I say the same goods can be bought with an once of gold now as it was in 1930. What changed? Gold? nope ,just the relentless currency printing by central banks .So if gold goes to $5000 an once what changed? just the value of the dollar ,not the value of gold ,just my 2 ounces. oh and they tax you on the capitol gains of that also lol when no gain was in actuality gained ,just the units got proportionately smaller

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      • Ahh would agree but would you rather have the $30 from 1930 or that ounce of gold right now. You don’t buy metals to get rich; just hopefully hold what you have.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        Al, the current system is going to be non-existent in most places.

        No one in their right fucking mind will be paying taxes and putting up with the bankers bs.

        The bankers and the global economy will be finished.

        How’s that for my 2 oz’s…

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      • Shooty McBang says:

        I agree, but would also like to add that throughout the history of man neither gold nor silver has ever had zero purchasing power. Both have always maintained purchasing equilibrium.

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        • Canadian Vet says:

          Not to mention that silver and gold has always been used to hire the services of armed men to enforce one’s will. Following an economic collapse, my theory is that the major gold holders within the powers that be (those who actually can redeem paper precious metals for the real thing like Soros) will be in ideal positions to take control of this new precious metals based economy and set themselves up as a form of neo-nobility complete with the ability to raise, outfit and maintain their own forces, much like a medieval lord would have been able to.

          After all, it is in the best interests of the powers that be/NWO to control as much of the wealth as possible and a near monopoly on precious metals holdings would definitely follow that trend. After all, a middle class is a bad thing for a would-be tyrant; people with means and who don’t have to worry about the roof over their heads or their next meal have all sorts of time to think about how unfair things are and can stir up trouble. Ask the Brits how that worked for them from about 1770 onwards.

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      • Genius says:

        True Al, it will keep pace with purchasing power. As far as taxes, don’t sell it to a dealer. Private sales are no ones biz and no reporting. One of the main factors I like about metals is they are PRIVATE. No one knows what you have, no one can take it, it is exchangeable in any currency on earth, it is portable, it is barterable, it will never lose value, it is widely recognised, it outperfoms inflation (usually), and silver can be used medicinally. Pretty good way to save your wealth imo after you have all other bases covered of course :)

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    15. John_Allen says:

      Baby wipes for when your tp stock is gone; it’s better than nothing. White vinegar, baking soda and elbow grease will clean almost anything. Stock up on sponges etc now while they’re readily available. Other than the internet CVS consistently has the best first aid supplies in my area. If you have laid aside rice and beans lay aside spices too. I happen to like jasmine rice but eating it 4 days out of 5 would cause food refusal rebellion.

      Vitamins, aspirin, Generic Pepto-bismol, metamucil, laxatives and anti-diarrheals too. Impure water = killer diseases = dehydration = you die. Get those OTC meds now. If raising fish or micro-livestock isn’t realistic for you Met-Rx protein plus powder that serious gym rats use as a protein supplement is better than nothing. Unless you are Bruce Lee, close in a ballpeen hammer augments your own physical prowess. I dropped some change on getting two wood burning stoves. With cook tops. Heat and cooking in one gadget as long as there are trees around.

      Thermal underwear, wool outerwear, and Wiggy’s expedition bags for when the trees are gone. Detergent, shampoo and bar soap. Clean people and clothes are happier and last longer. Whether your values are theistic or natural law based, cherish and nurture them. The survivors need to do better than the mistakes that brought us to this mess.

      Remember to do something nourishing for body and soul. The days when we have the option to do that are finite.

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      • Hammerun says:

        Here’s one you forgot, topical antibiotics. Neosporin, tribiotics. For scratches and cuts. A simple common infection will spiral into death for sure. Oral and injectable antibiotics can be gotten from a vet supply. It says, not for humans. But! Our Med kits are two footlocker sized trunks. If you contact the right vet supply you can cut your supply cost in half if not more. Tape, gauze squares, ace bandages things in that line. Walmart is a good place for disinfectants, alcohols, peroxides and band aids, lots of them. Kotex or comp for compresses.
        Tarps, space blankets, small flash lights one that is small enough to hold in your mouth.
        Contact cal vet supply in pahrump Nevada.

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        • InsanityISContagious says:

          The following is not medical advice, so first please consult your available* SHTF doctor: Activated charcoal capsules — for shallow/surface skin cuts, bug/spider bites, oozing skin (from whatever) — sprinkle some on and slap a band-aid on it…from experience, this heals things up real fast.

          *hahahahahahahah…yeah, available doctor, right

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        • Genius says:

          Dammit my post went to error 404 when I submitted it. I was saying, For those of you who are into or want to get into herbal meds go to this site http://www.mountainroseherbs.com they have bulk herbs and seeds. Alot cheaper than buying store capsules and the seeds will keep you supplied. Also they have capsules and capsule machines. For other suppliments in bulk go to http://www.purebulk.com For you smokers go to http://www.rollyourown.com and check out the supermatic filling machine and tubes. A good tobacco there is the kentucky organic. Labeled as pipe tobacco it is exempt from cig tax. Store bought organic smokes 7.00 Make your own 2.25 a lot cheaper. If your tobacco gets too dry just add a couple of slices of apple to the bag. Theres your prep tip of the day :)

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        • Genius says:

          Ok 3rd time posting, for herbs in bulk (cheap) and seeds go to http://www.mountainroseherbs.com for suppliments in bulk go to http://www.purebulk.com for make your own smokes go to http://www.rollyourown.com mtn.rose has capsules and machines, rollyourown has tubes and fillers, You can save a ton of paper satans by making your own stuff! Herb seeds will kepp you stocked, tobacco is good for barter, suppliments for health. I hope this time my post works. Theres yer prep tip of the day!

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      • Jenn says:

        I saw three other things I want to add to my first aid supplies: stuff for tooth pain, temporary dental filling replacements, and denture repair. (I don’t have dentures, but a couple of family members do). I saw them at Wal-Mart last week, but I didn’t get them because I wanted to see if they were cheaper on Amazon.

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        • Old guy I knew used one of the super glues to fix his dentures…worked well…another I knew used a JP weld type stuff for the same…worked too…safe?…not sure but you can bet that the kits they sell and the stuff the dentists use isn’t much better…and in an emergency itd be better than nothing.

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      • figment says:

        the veterinary grade pepto, mineral oil, iodine, etc, is the same as for humans. Novalsan is a good antiseptic. And they are cheaper and come in larger sizes – usually gallons. (novalsan is quite expensive but you dilute a small amount in water, it goes far)

        check you ag dept for med supplies.

        and eating that much rice will cause constipation. don’t forget laxatives as well, or foods that work for you as laxatives.

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        • Dave in ID says:

          The best laxitive is a long walk up hill. works for colic horses too.

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        • Cant buy iodine…real iodine…around here anymore cause of the laws against meth makers just that sissy 1% crap…just like lye now requires a permit from the sheriff…BS! Im gonna find me some somewhere and Im not getting a permit for it!

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          • Leslie Anne says:

            Lye is just soft water and hardwood ash processed a bit…you can find the instructions online.

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            • LA…youre correct and I do have the setup/ability to make decent lye as needed in small amounts…just bugs me you have all the BS to buy it now…used to buy lye and gallon jugs of iodine…heck even dynamite at the local hardware…everythings about control because they fear us…so many things I used to do that are criminal now…using a bogus war on drugs to control our access to chemicals…theyre disarming us in other ways besides gun control…thanks!

              LSB…Basicly, I’m in a state of confusion :) …I wont buy anything on line….OPSPEC,ya know ;)

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          • what state are you in? I am able to buy it online. I’m saving it until I run out of soap, then I’ll make my own.

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    16. Michael says:

      IMHO
      The bankers and their enablers are aware that people are waking up. They know a percentage, though small now understand the monetary system and how it is rigged. They know people are likely to demand some compensation for what has been done to them and their families.
      So since they cannot or will not submit to such a demand for compensation there is a need to deal with the problem of the people. And there are several choices available to them at this point.
      1. Use obama care to mandate vaccines which have the immediate effect of lowering the population and the long term effect of lowering the birth rate.

      2. Chemtrail delivery of toxins to targeted areas.

      3. War which goes nuclear

      4. Race war

      5. GMO foods

      I think you get the picture there is not a plan for the return to normal for anybody but the select few. To get to the new day with a new currency and credible society we will have to make it happen and that means fight for it.
      10 percent of the people support the oppressors, 80 percent are clueless, and 10 percent are awake and know what is coming. Do the math it looks bad. Too many are happy in the matrix.

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    17. TXGranny says:

      One of my tasks to get done soon is to break out my sewing machine and make some sleeping bag liners out of twin sheets. I got to thinking about how easy it will be to get our bags grubby, and how much easier it is to hand wash sheets and just have to air out the sleeping bags. Bought some higher quality sheets on sale (I am partial to soft sheets!), and just have to sew some straight seams.

      My wish list includes additional lumber supplies, some deep-cell batteries for the solar panels, and additional water purification supplies. Other than that, just the normal prepping. I hope we have more time to do so, but I’m just not sure we do.

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      • InsanityISContagious says:

        Actually saw an interesting vid on how Chinese grads are stuck in apartments the size of shoe boxes. Anyway, they were using ROUND PLASTIC DISH TUBS to bathe/wash themselves up out of…worked real well as bathing facilities. So add a couple round plastic dish pans to your stash: light enough to carry water in/big enough to wash from. 300 years ago, chamber pots, a big bowl and a large pitcher were your “bathroom” accoutrements.

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        • Night breaker says:

          Thats what I used in the aftermath of Super Storm Sandy be sure you get a large bathing sponge and liquid body wash soap. Also you can look into a camp shower to hang in your tub for rinsing .
          I heated the water in a large pot on a gas stove top . It still worked even thought the power was out. Alternatively you can solar heat the water or heat it by other means . Multiple Sunrocket kettles will provide enough for a sponge bath and are stealthy for heating water.

          Personal hygene will be important to surviving a grid down situation.

          On another subject at work we have been using Gold Bond Friction Defense to prevent chaffing on our shoulders when warring our plate holders vest rigs. It’s a roll on and it also works on your feet to boot highly recommended.

          Semper Fi 8541

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        • PenCRNA says:

          If you know Anyone who works in a hospital OR…..most hospitals now use plastic trays and basins that their sterile setup packs come in. Also disposable sterile towels. The trays are never used during the surgery, passed off and trashed before patient ever sees the room. Same for the basins. If the surgeon will not be using the towels during the surgery, those get passed off before the patient comes in the room as well. I keep at least a dozen of the towels on hand. Darn good for cleaning, or using to bathe when we go camping. I ask the nurses to save me basins for gardening, processing veggies/fruits and outdoor dog water bowl. The trays have a lip around the edges and are great for cleaning fish, cutting up chicken, seasoning meats with rubs, a place to put handgun parts while cleaning, nuts and bolts when doing engine work I could go on and on.

          Like I said. This stuff is all discarded or set aside for non patient uses before the patient ever comes in the room, or it gets thrown into the trash.

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          • Smokey says:

            Local thrift shop has those trays for a dime apiece, I spent $5 and got a nice stack.

            Very useful for working on the car, on the reloading bench, some in the tool cabinets to separate the tools, and small parts trays for anything with the rifle bolts.

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        • …actually those items are still used even here in America by a lot of people…lots of folks still use a outhouse and have a bucket inside for nighttime…

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      • Jenn says:

        TXGranny,

        Your post reminds me that I saw something useful for women on Amazon: washable pads that snap into place in underwear. The design follows the pattern of the disposable kind, the ones with “wings”. But instead of adhesive, they have small plastic snaps. It seemed like a better idea than raiding the rag bag after a stockpile of regular disposable feminine hygiene products is exhausted. Could even be a source of income for someone who knows how to sew.

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        • Babycatcher55 says:

          There are a number of patterns for making your own cloth sanitary pads. Easy, comfortable and environmentally friendly…

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        • lonelonmum says:

          sewing pattern for ladies sanitary towels here:-
          http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/sanitarypads.htm

          Ideal for using up bits of scrap fabrics (brushed cotton or flannel being ideal fabrics) & if a child/teen makes them, it doesn’t really matter if their stitches aren’t all evenly sized. I think it’s a perfect home ed handicraft project for preppers.

          OR

          purchase 2 or 3 mooncups or lunacups (internal reuseable sanitary protection) per female in your household. Amazon sell a variety of brands. These last approx 10 years, apiece so are cheap compared to the cost of disposable products. Also purchase a small enamel milk pan per female for sterilising your mooncup each month after use.

          Don’t overlook the need for a few dozen old fashioned terry square nappies in your preps either. Women still have babies after disasters, and the old fsahioned squares have so many other uses around the house too if needed.

          For the financially comfortable, modern cloth fitted nappies are really easy to use/launder and would be a good prep. The new ones I was given for my son are now on their fourth baby and still going strong. While we still have modern washing machines, they are VERY easy to use and allow you to save the money you would have spent on disposables every week, on more beans and band aids etc.

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        • lonelonmum says:

          sewing pattern for ladies sanitary towels here:-
          http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/sanitarypads.htm

          Ideal for using up bits of scrap fabrics (brushed cotton or flannel being ideal fabrics) & if a child/teen makes them, it doesn’t really matter if their stitches aren’t all evenly sized. I think it’s a perfect home ed handicraft project for preppers.

          OR

          purchase 2 or 3 mooncups or lunacups (internal reuseable sanitary protection) per female in your household. Amazon sell a variety of brands. These last approx 10 years, apiece so are cheap compared to the cost of disposable products. Also purchase a small enamel milk pan per female for sterilising your mooncup each month after use.

          Don’t overlook the need for a few dozen old fashioned terry square nappies in your preps either. Women still have babies after disasters, and the old fsahioned squares have so many other uses around the house too if needed.

          For the financially comfortable, modern cloth fitted nappies are really easy to use/launder and would be a good prep. The new ones I was given for my son are now on their fourth baby and still going strong. While we still have modern washing machines, they are VERY easy to use and allow you to save the money you would have spent on disposables every week, on more beans and band aids etc.

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      • Canadian Vet says:

        There is a saying in the Canadian Armed Forces: any moron can be uncomfortable in the field. It is amazing how a tiny little bit of comfort, say like a soft sheet instead of the nasty clammy inside of a sleeping bag, can make a world of difference between a good night’s sleep and feeling like you are wrapped up in Cling Wrap. Not to mention the direct effect on morale these little comforts bring.

        And that is beyond the obvious hygiene aspect of things.

        I for one enjoy a clean shave, hence why I invested in a cutthroat razor, a mug, a few good brushes and shaving soap instead of a pallet of Gillette blades. No need for replacement blades, a single puck of soap lasts me over 6 months, just need to strop and hone the blade.

        Keeping clean and comfortable will go miles in improving morale and effectiveness and only a moron would think that sustained living in utterly Spartan conditions with no comforts or small pleasures is a good idea.

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      • InsanityISContagious says:

        We’ve already had an economic meltdown…what we are prepping for is when people like you to finally figure it out and the BRIC nations finally take the American dollar out of play.

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    19. TIME TO IGNORE OBUMMER says:

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      • re:IGNORE OBAMA
        Nobody told me NinaO had kinfolk…

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Yeah, I’m a life member of the NRA. That being said, I’ve seen the NRA pull some backdoor deals a few times. I wouldn’t hang my hat on their peg too much. I don’t trust the Congress or the president, nor any elected official for that matter, Jewish, Gentile, black or white.

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        • In the last 130 or 140 years of NRA’s existence, we’ve lost more gun rights than at any other time in our country’s history. When Obama put up B. Todd Jones (think black Nazi) to head up the ATF, everyone with a brain opposed the appointment – that is, until the NRA said they had no position on the appointment – with that said, how was anyone going to justify continuing the fight against this Obama Nazi and Fast & Furious cover-up man? Even the NRA didn’t oppose the appointment.

          The NRA has sold us out so many times, but people still think they are protecting them! This is how the controlled opposition works, folks. They make you think they are on your side while they are stabbing you in the back.

          Here’s more on the B. Todd Jones story:

          http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/08/fast-furious-cover-up-man-confirmed-atf.html

          Speaking of the controlled opposition, Ted Cruz comes to mind. Everyone thinks he’s a TEA Party Conservative because he’s against amnesty. He is against amnesty but he wants to DOUBLE the general worker visa and increase the H1B visa FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT. Folks it doesn’t matter if you lose your job to a “legal” immigrant or an “illegal” alien – you still lost your job, and the destruction of the American middle class goes on as planned. Ted is selling us out while convincing all the conservatives that he’s their best friend.

          Controlled opposition – knife in back:

          http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/07/ted-cruz-declares-war-on-america.html

          The fact is there is no political solution to our problems, as many of you already know. Both parties are controlled to the extent that you will never get a true American elected to any office – they will never make it through the primaries.

          The solution to tyranny today is the same as it was on April 19, 1775. Form militias and kill the enemy. What difference does it make if you have all your preps and survive, but leave yourself and your children a tyrannical government that will seek you out and kill or enslave you? This is not just about killing off the zombies, but the machine that created the zombies, and re-establishing our Constitutional Republic on our terms.

          The most important preps we can make now are our strategic and tactical plans to achieving this goal and we need to form the ground work for this in our local militias.

          http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-soap-box-ballot-box-and-ammo-box.html

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        • Shooty McBang says:

          Sad but true regarding the NRA. I no longer pay dues to the organization that happens to provide the wording for most gun control legislation. They are the “go to” organization for the overlords to see if the public will “buy it”. The legislation that is. Yeah. Pretty slimy if you ask me. I live in Cali. They certainly have done their best to neuter us.

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        • Them Guys says:

          Well now that we had aprox 70 yrs to decide things.

          It seems General George Patton was spot on when he wrote in his personal WWII diary, and in many letters home to wife and retired military pals he had…That “We Fought the WRONG People in WWII Europe”

          Patton sure was correct too bad patsy eisenhower failed to Listen to patton eh. Instead of exterminating the bolshevik jewish russian kommies, america twice were their allies!…There would have been NO cold war for 60+ yrs with kommie russia, NO zionists takeover of usa in every sphere espeicially MSM medias and fed govnt.

          NO multicult diversity slow destruction of whites and on and on if the fools would have Listened to General Patton.

          Its still Not too late for another Modern day Patton.

          Think of all the cash and fuels we will save by not needing to go back to europe again…Since Most zio jew kommies are Now in america.

          One good general Patton Leader, along with every good patriotic jewish american out there, wherever and whoever they may be to assist in outing all the evil kommie jews and Bingo! End kommies-Take back white ruled america-restore banks by Booting fed res jew banksters OUT. Issue money debt free and Intrest/usury Free like germany did to restore it in Less than 5 yrs time and nobdoy yet was harmed.

          All that guy above wrote on boomers etc is wrong. But hes correct on much of his post info.

          All the idiot red thumbs brigade fools here should at Least First go READ that site he Linked IE: Iamthewitness…You may Learn some truth and regret red thumbing everything You are too lazy or ignorant of knowing.

          I realize asking folks to READ for an hour or two and learn things never taught nor told to them before is asking way too much!….But if even a single person does go Read that info they will be much wiser than Many others here seem to be.

          Which is more important? #1 Know how many pennys more rice costs this week? or #2 KNowing the true enemys and what and How they are operating to Destroy You, your Nation, and if a whitey, you and the kids and grandkids you all seem to Love so much. Prove that Love! READ and Learn…That red thumb mouse click you then save, is one more effort you can redirect to more important issues.

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        • Genius says:

          Outlaw national banks for one! Outlaw govt. skools for two. Outlaw property taxes for three. The list is long!

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        • Got Factories? says:

          Alright smart guy..where are all the factories….He would start there.

          The United States has been planned to collapse for years.

          50 angry white guys with baseball bats could completely turn this country around.

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      • You are all blind says:

        It’s pretty clear this guy did his research. You’re all slaves to the Jews and don’t even know it.

        It’s hot hate…just realizing that you need to recognize the people that enslave you.

        If you are uncomfortable about speaking of the Jews in an objective light…then their brain worked and you really area a slave to them, their media and their educational control.

        The end result is this guy is going to have a safe full of something tangible and real..silver. All of you will watch your spending power decrease as the dollar is destroyed to bring in the new global currency.

        Good…cheaper silver for those in the know.

        Just like the Nazis that brain washed the German people….you will all go to the NWO fema camps when they send you there for your “flu” shot.

        It’s amazing all the thumbs down from such solid research.

        TV slaves.

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        • Shootit says:

          Nothing to do with “Jews”. It is like saying all “blacks” are thieves. Until everyone realizes that they have been FRANCHISED(In Slaved) by US Inc. nothing will change. Who and what is US Inc? What is DC? Who and what is the FED? Why are you considered a US Inc. employee? Why do you have a SS No.? How come you need to get a license/permit for everything you want to do? Will you ever be a free man as described under the United States Constitution? Do you know what it is to be Sovereign?

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          I know there are some history buffs on this site that are really interested in the Bolshevik Revolution. I have heard history has a way of repeating itself; if the future has anything to do with this article I found on the internet I hope I am not here to see it.

          You will find this article, amazing enough, was written and published in ynetnews dot com/articles and is a terrible reminder what happened to Russia, which at that time was a mostly Christian country.

          I would like to remind the reader that the Ynetnews is a jewish newspaper, published in Israel.

          The article is named Stalins Jews…….It begins…

          We must not forget that some of the greatest murders of modern times were Jewish.

          In the midst of the Bolshevik Revolution Lenin signed a degree setting up CHEKA. It became the largest and cruelist state security agency. It went from being the CHEKA to GPU, to NKVD, and later to KGB.

          Deaths from CHEKA was responsible for at least 20 million. Lenin, Stalin and successors could not have carried out these deeds without widescale cooperation of disciplined “terror officials”. All these things are well known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union archives have not yet fully opened to the public.

          In Russia itself very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD and KGB’s service. Russian public discourse completely ignores the question “How could this have happened to us”.

          And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finished high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th century. He is at least responsible for the deaths of 10 million people. He was replaced by Yezhof, the “blood thirsty dwarf”.

          One of Stalin’s closest associates was Lazer Kaganovich. The starvation of those in the Ukraine which was an unparelled tragedy in human kind. This slaughter did not even move Kaganovich.

          Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity.

          One more, Leonid Reishman, head of the NKVD’s interrogation department was a cruel sadist.

          In 1934, 38.5% of those holding senior positions in the Soviet security apparatus were of jewish origin. Turns out that Jews, too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known in modern history.

          The jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (IN THE SOVIET UNION AND ABROAD) and who at times LED them did not do this OBVIOUSLY as jews, but rather as Stalinists, COMMUNISTS, and “soviet people”. Therefore we find it easy to ignore their origin and play dumb.

          I (the author) find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the jewish people when he does GREAT things, but not considered a part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

          Even if we deny it we cannot escape the jewishness of “our hangmen” who served the RED TERROR with loyalty and dedication from the establishment.

          After all, others will remind us of our origin…..

          End of article…

          We should be ever aware what happened in Russia. If you think evil people are not planning the demise of America, I suggest you do your best to become educated.
          Remember; the greatest prize of all for the Zionist PTB is to put our great country into the One World Order. They made it happen in Russia, they can make it happen here.

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          • Them Guys says:

            Pissed Off Granny: Great Find! now what will naysayers and always defenders of zionists and jews think. Hard for them to reject nor refute this article since it was wrote By a Jew that Lives In Israel, and it is Published BY a jewish newspaper from inside Israel.

            My best guess is naysayers and rejecters of factual truth, will use a standard standby one of their favorites!

            IE: naysayers will likly say “OyVeh! its Just a…Coincidence!” or their most widly and oft used..
            “Oh that..Thats…Just…A….FORGERY!!”

            Good find Granny.

            PS: Granny be xtra carefull out there….I hear that there are Nazis hiding behind Every Tree! Waiting to Pounce!

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    20. Satori says:

      CFPB’s data-mining on consumer credit cards challenged in heated House hearing

      http://washingtonexaminer.com/cfpbs-data-mining-on-consumer-credit-cards-challenged-in-heated-house-hearing/article/2535726

      to control us totally
      they’re gonna have to outlaw cash at some point

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      • Them Guys says:

        Satori: Check This Link out if you aint yet done so. Want a Vast Preview of the Main Basic methods that will be used against americans?….Want to Know the final end Results to especially white america?

        READ and LEARN how it was already Done 70 yrs ago by the Same banksters and evil polititions we still have Today.

        If You think the exact Same things in this Linked Info is not Pre-Planned for America NEXT?…Then Your head’s burried too deep and You are an Official member of americas “HUTAS”(the Heads Up Their Ass-group).

        Heres exactly What is in Store for YOU, Mr. and Mrs. American!

        GRUESOME HARVEST-1947 a quick Read well worth reading!

        http://archive.org/stream/GruesomeHarvest/FH_djvu.txt

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        • Gruesome. But you are correct. The rape of the German women and children by the black American soldiers was a weapon of revenge and was the reason such a disproportionate number of black troops were sent there after the war. The numbers do not lie; blacks did the vast majority of the raping and murdering of women and children. And now, beginning with LBJ’s welfare programs to increase the black population at the expense of the white Americans and the indoctrination of hate against white people will have the same result here. And of course that is only a part of the total destruction planned for America, but one that Obama seems to desire the most as his race baiting after the Travon incident reveals.

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    21. mallardhen says:

      What do you all make of the article in the NY Times a few days ago about the grid shutdown slated for November 13th & 14th. Are they really going to pull this off?

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    22. PALADIN says:

      This society has completely lost touch with reality. In every way possible known to mankind. Moral rot,thievery,murder the list goes on. Is the prepper community the only remnant with a half way zane mind? I am a Bible believer,and I will tell you,judgement is upon this planet. No two ways about it. How can anyone believe mainstream media?! With out being stupid. I think its called Stupid Until Death. Its almost ridiculous on how folks can be so brain dead unto the folding events that are and has been taking place for quite sometime now.

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      • Leonard M. Urban says:

        Come on, Paladin, it’s not the American people’s fault they don’t know what’s going on. These topics have NEVER been explored on “Dancing with the Stars”, so how would anyone know?

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    23. Buzzfix says:

      They might just be honest enough to flip the switch lol we got 4 more pay days till mid November keep on buying :)

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    24. Ugly says:

      The Article Begins, ‘As the fantasy dies’….

      You mean there is no gold at the end of the rainbow?

      If not. Then I am heading home. No more rainbow chasing for me….

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Wow……

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      • guero says:

        If we are going to flee, what’s the point of storing food and water?

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        • Them Guys says:

          I have Known of most everything You wrote of for the Last 20+ yrs except for those “Men in Black attire” Parts.

          Therefore I assume if this “John” guy just Now heard it from Jesus? That means Jesus Must have also gone and Read every website and book etc that I did over the past 20+ yrs!…Because ALL that info or whatever you calls it has been available that long now.

          As for Your #4 issues–showed John one such camp in Indiana and the evil will be as bad if not worse (if you can imagine that) than Hitler’s crematoriums, gas chambers, etc

          Yes! I actually Can imagine a Worse “Scenario-Camp” than Hitlers camps…That would be all those “Camps” like Aushwitz et al in Russian possession Before Hitler was ever Heard of! Since it Was Bolshevik Jewish Kommie Russian who BUILT most, if not All, such evil Camps in Russian territorries and Used them to Torture and Murder Mass-Exterminate 100+ Million white christians in…Before Hitler was ever heard of outside his family or close pals. So YES! I sure can picture Worse than Hitler…That Being, Russian Jewish Bolshevik Kommies that have Mass Murdered More innocent persons than at Any other era in All of world known History!

          THEN Issue#7–John said Jesus does not want us to use our guns since these evildoers will not be able to see us nor harm us because of the Angels’ protection and shield of invisibility;

          WOW! Leave Guns as You will NOT need any guns! now Where have I heard That before?!!

          Oh yeah! I heard this prior when some Pro-Zio Baptist TV preacher was Bragging how he attended FEMA-Pastor Training sessions for a huge group(4000 so far as of several Yrs ago!) of evangelical pastors who FEMA Trained to Keep promoting and preaching Strict Obedience of Romans chapter 13, IE: OBEY ALL GOVNTS! Cause its gods will dont cha knows it!

          That TV Pastor also told how after training by FEMA-Kommies, it was worth it since Only Pastors fema trained get a special “Pass” to place in windshield so when Jackboots and Feds cops see that Plaquard Pass in windshield, pastor will be admitted into the Inner zonal areas usually Restricted or off limits to avg peon folks (like Us folks)….That phony piece of Dirt TV preacher was all Giddy telling his FEMA Training adventure story on tv shows!

          Funny how That pastor says exact same thing about GUNS…Do NOT bring any guns as Fed govnt agents and fema agents Will Protect You and yours!(like at WACO maybe?)

          he also says fema trainers told pastor that while civilians Must exit homes and areas ASAP once a Warning is issued! Citizens are NOT to worry as Feds plan to Station agents(jackboots)in every evacuated area to protect Your homes and posessions etc!(he said you only be Gone to fema camp for 2-3 weeks then return home)

          He never clarified, why it would still Remain safe enough to station fed jackboot agents to protect our homes and stuff, yet was Way too Unsafe for Us folks to Reamin home and Protect Our stuff?…FEMA/FEDS Must now use “Super-Duper” jackboots Immune to the same hazards as we are subject to I rekon…Anyways thats what That pastor says too “LEAVE ALL GUNS BEHIND! when Entering Busses or fema wagons”

          And then when pastor was done spewing his evils TV camaras shifted to the Crowds in the Pews and everybody in them pews said “Amen and Amen”(not sure yet reason to say amen twice? Maybe its to get a Double portion of instant wealth from Jesus eh?).

          Yep thats my only major issues to reply of…All the REST is Bunk just as is Marias Bunkola! Invisable!

          Jackboots in DARK Clothes: “Hey freddy! I just seen a Tent and Backpak strolling past with NO person visible to Carry the stuff!…Freddys jackboot SGT, “No worries Mate! its just them Invisible maria and now Johnnyboy delusional invisible fools passing by us”

          It keeps getting more better each post eh! Can’t wait for the certain to Follow Fatima Cult False Prophets Visionary visions…”Only Mary can save us all!”

          Your Post messg’s reinforce to me why I quit the Roman Catholic church system at age 15 yrs old, 45 yrs ago.

          Maybe You too shall see the Light soon and exit as I did before they really have You hooked for life!

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          • The Lone Ranger says:

            You’ve known about it all for 20 years? I’ve known it longer, EXCEPT for the fact that he confirmed that satan is giving all those groups the orders, who, of course, carry out their evil in secret. When was the last time any of us were invited to their closed door secret meetings?

            Again, whenever you have destruction (GMO food, flouride in water, viruses in vaccines, diseases in chemtrails) you have the DEVIL! SENT by these so called elitists/leaders/politicians posing as our friggin’ HEROES!

            Our heroes? BULLCRAP!

            Good point about the guns, I went back to check my notes and they read “there will be no need to USE our guns” and keep in mind I was posting this at 1:00 a.m. after a very long day of travel. In other Messages to Leary Jesus has approved self-defense as a right but once our country becomes invaded by hundreds of thousands of chipped foreigners a shield of invisibility– they are already here awaiting the “wake up” switch to be turned “on”– that shield properly invoked as described above, will make all our guns a moot point. I have NEVER advocated getting rid of them. The point IS that we WILL have to leave our homes because this is the FINAL battle between good AND evil, and with the Book of Revelation’s prophesied Antichrist and his chipped minions, the Lord’s Plan will protect us from being seen and protect us from the diabolical hypnotic eyes and voice of the Antichrist.

            At NO point in ANY Message does Our Lord call at ALL for defenselessness. Defenselessness is unilateral disarmament which is what the globalists and Obama want for us so they can have an EASIER time handing us over to be slaves. Not on my watch!

            As far as that TV preacher, when religion no longer espouses biblical values, and when these preachers no longer reflect the ORIGINAL values EMBODIED in BOTH our Bill of Rights and Constitution then they are wolves in sheeps clothing and frauds!

            FUNNY how no U.S. Senator has asked to have inspections of these 800 FEMA detention centers the way we want to inspect chemical arsenals abroad, nor will the hidden government PERMIT camera crews in.

            Now Why IS that? Because then we would see EXACTLY what Jesus permitted Mr. Leary to see! You can’t get anywhere NEAR those 800 hidden from view places.

            If you don’t take the chip (in Obama care legislation starting 10/1/13 and described as “an implantable medical device) you WILL be carted away UNLESS you leave for the Refuge Place when prompted, after The Warning.

            Of course those “pastors” have been MANIPULATED by the one world organization (old world DISorder) so the SHEEPLE will be led to their slaughter! NOT US!

            Lastly, I DID leave the Catholic Church for about 8-9 years. And yes, I did come back, but on my own friggin’ terms. I don’t follow anyone in my church BLINDLY just like I refuse to follow our President blindly when he’s lied about so much and DECEIVED us about so much.

            And that’s ONE reason I come to this site– to express my FURY at the LIES!

            Without violating OpSec, I can personally tell you that I do not have enough to defend myself AGAINST foreign chipped troops who will keep coming and keep coming and keep coming and keep coming. We wouldn’t be fighting a band of 30 messed up militia people, but legions of chipped highly armed soldiers.

            This is not the only site I visit regularly.

            So imagine my SURPRISE when in February of 2013, after visiting high end sites like this for years I came across both Mr. Leary’s site and Maria’s.

            Did you read about the beheadings in the Book of Revelation? I’m sure you did.

            I ADMIRE your intestinal and other fortitude my friend.

            No bull, I DO admire you.

            In the final analysis, we’re very much alike Except (perhaps) in this way: with all the Ammo the government has purchased [6 bullets for each woman, child, and man in the U.S.] this past year and all the slow-kill that’s been going ON for years and all the LIES TOLD to us from Obama on down, and the Revelations made to two people who do not know each other that the Antichrist is soon to announce himself (posing as a Deceptive peacegiver)I have found it harder and harder to OUT THINK all this cosmic evil.

            Thus, I’m not merely “restating” or “preaching” what Leary and Maria have been told, rather, I’ve researched this, as you have, from ALL angles and it leads me to conclude (for myself) and simply SHARE with my sisters and brothers at this site, that we ARE in THE End Time AND, that no matter WHAT you and I do or do NOT believe about God and/or imperfectly expressed religion, we ARE being told HOW to survive the onslaught and HOW to avoid going to Hell, which really does exist.

            I DO respect you, very much so, sir!

            I just think that for me, The Warning– soon to come after the Ison Comet in December– will have all of us re-thinking how we have strived to keep ourselves alive because the death and destruction have,as you know, ALREADY started– we just keep being lied to! For example, 2 MILLION Christians have had to flee Syria in the past weeks. Yet, as far as I know, NOT ONE of our elected leaders have said anything about that. That behavior of silence is a DISGRACE.

            God bless you!

            - The Lone Ranger

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          Hi Guero,

          There IS a point to storing, collecting water and nonperishable food because we will need to bring it (what will fit in our vehicles) with us to the Refuge Place where Christ will multiply it all.

          This is HIS Plan to protect us from the death and destruction soon to be waged by the Antichrist who will declare himself after The Warning.

          - The Lone Ranger

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          In my research I’ve learned or found out that one purpose of several for The Warning is to prove to everyone, no matter what you believe or do not believe, that there really is a God.

          You have the right to believe what you want or do not want to.

          But during The Warning you will be shown your destination if you do not choose God, if you deny what you will experience or encounter. We will also be told NOT to accept the Mark of the Beast (the chip) nor to listen to or look at the Antichrist.

          Imaginary friends? You can meet Leary for yourself, his website will show you how. I made that effort, a huge one at that, why don’t you consider it?

          Unless you mean God is just a figment of our imagination.

          Well if THAT is true, how DO you explain all the EVIL, the death and destruction, wouldn’t that mean there IS a devil, Satan itself?

          - The Lone Ranger

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      • Ugly says:

        Now I know medicinal hemp should be illegal.

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        • BackSpace says:

          Purgatory…. mmkay…

          I’m sorry, but anyone of us here could say the same things. With a little charisma and financial backing we could go on tour too.

          Yeh, its comforting to be around like minded….

          Buy gold from me…

          BS

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          • The Lone Ranger says:

            Seeing John Leary only cost me gas and tolls. There was no registration fee nor any other fees.

            I would not buy gold from you for lots of reasons, the biggest of which would be you can’t drink nor eat it.

            I respectfully suggest you reconsider your position after The Warning. Do you know what The Warning is?

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            • BackSpace says:

              Lone Ranger

              Out of respect I will view/read The Warning links you provided.

              If you also reconsider trying to seek/find:..#7…
              “your ‘Guardian Angel’ so a fallen angel will not mislead you”….Jesus said “My sheep hear My voice” (Jo10:27&18:37) Even Satan can appear as an angel of light(*2Cor11:14*)seeking a guardian angel is a very dangerous proposition…

              Will be lookin’ for ya…here.

              BS

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              • BackSpace says:

                OK, spent a couple hours last night on the “WarningSecondComing” site… maybe you could clarify a few things…

                in the 8-15-13 message…”you must not try to interpet Revelation” why? are we not smart enough?

                in the 8-22-13 msg…”this message cannot be compared to others” why? is this suppose to be the only truth?

                in the 8-23-13 msg…”when you become obedient and question nothing” don’t question what she said?

                I read a whole lot of months of her postings, but she really peaked out in Aug and after with … if you believe anything else you are under the control of the spirit of the false prophet, her word is the final say. Spooky.

                In all sincerity,

                BS

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                • The Lone Ranger says:

                  Wow, minion, HOW DECEPTIVE of you to quote out of context, especially the LAST one about the antichrist!

                  Next time, try quoting IN context:

                  From 8/15:

                  If you do not believe in the Book of Truth, then you do not believe in the Book of Revelation. Be warned. Those who reject the Book of Revelation forsake My Mercy. But the Truth will be shown to them during My Great Warning through Divine Intervention, for otherwise many would never know Me or understand the great Mercy I bring the world. You must never add to the Book of Revelation, try to interpret it or take anything out of it to suit your own desires, for you will suffer for this. When you do these things you tamper with the Word of God. This Book was promised to you. God has sent His 7th messenger to reveal the Truth. Accept this with trust in Me or you will walk alone, in ignorance of the terrible deceit which will befall those who reject the Word of God.

                  From 8/22:
                  My dearly beloved daughter, I must warn the world of the large number of false prophets, who at this time try to drown out My Voice.

                  I have sent a number of prophets, all with different missions, to prepare God’s children. These Messages, regarding the end times, are the only authentic Messages of their kind, at this exact time, for I would never confuse God’s children.

                  These Messages must never be compared to others, which are being spread everywhere, right now, in order to contradict My Holy Word. There can only be one Book of Truth – only I, Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, can reveal the contents. Those of you who believe Me can be so easily fooled. You must know that messages, which contradict these and where it is claimed that they come from God, that this is impossible.

                  From 8/23:

                  Mother of Salvation: The antichrist, upon his announcement, will declare that he is a devout Christian
                  Friday, August 23rd, 2013

                  My child, how Christians will suffer as the disease of sin engulfs the world everywhere in many guises.

                  There is an organized attempt being made to wipe out Christianity and this takes many forms. You will know that when Christians are denied the right to publicly declare their allegiance to God, that every other creed, not of God, will be permitted to do so. These other creeds will be given great support when they plead for justice, in the name of their rights as citizens. What this will do is to spread further the sins which are abhorrent to my Father.

                  People will be forced to accept sin in their countries and it will become an offense for Christians to object to these laws. Christians will be viewed as being uncharitable, right wing and out of touch with the human rights of others. Every trait, desirable in souls, as laid down by my Father, will be used as a front in their efforts to justify such wickedness in your nations.

                  When disease of the flesh grips a community, it kills many. But, after a time of great sorrow and many deaths, the remaining community becomes immune to the disease. Sin will cause disease of the flesh in many nations, as the judgements of the Seals are declared by the Saviour of humanity and poured down by the angels of the Lord. Many will be killed in atonement for the wickedness of man. This purification will continue until there will remain only those who are immune to death because of their love for God.

                  Christians will suffer greatly in a number of ways. Their faith will be taken away from them and in its place an abomination will be witnessed. Their pain, which has already begun, is the same as that experienced by my Son, at this time. Then, they will have to witness an astonishing sight, as the antichrist, upon his announcement, will declare that he is a devout Christian. He will use many extracts from the Bible in his speeches to the world. Weary Christians, who suffered up to this, will suddenly be relieved. At last, they will think, here is a man sent from Heaven in answer to their prayers. Out of his mouth will spill many sweet and comforting words and he will appear to be a godsend, in that he will be seen to amend the wrongs against Christians. He will carefully construct how he is perceived by Christians and especially Roman Catholics, for these will be his main target.

                  All will admire the antichrist and his so-called christian acts, gestures and his perceived love of Holy Scripture will make him instantly acceptable by many. He will draw all nations together and set about holding ceremonies for other religions and, in particular, pagan organizations, so that they can work together to bring about world peace. He will succeed in uniting countries, which had been enemies up till then. Silence will be heard in war torn countries and his image will appear everywhere. His final, great achievement will be when he brings all those nations he unites, into the domain of the Catholic Church and all other Christian denominations. This unification will form the new, one world religion. From that day forth, Hell will break loose on Earth and the influence of demons will be at its greatest level since before the great flood. People will be seen to adore God in the new, one world order church and appear to be devout in every way. Then outside of the churches they will indulge in sin openly, for no sin will shame them. Under the hypnotic direction of the false trinity – the trinity created by Satan – they will crave every kind of sin as a means to sustain their newfound appetite.

                  This wickedness will include sins of the flesh, where nakedness will be acceptable, as man will become involved in obscene sins of the flesh in public places. Murders will be common and committed by many, including children.

                  Satanic worship and black masses will take place in many Catholic Churches. Abortion will be seen as a solution for every kind of problem and will be permitted right up to the day of birth.

                  It will soon become a criminal offence to show any kind of allegiance to Jesus Christ. If you are seen with a true Cross you will find that you have committed an offense, because you will be breaking the law. The law in your lands will become a dual law – where politics and religion will be entwined in the new world order.

                  This persecution will mean that many, unknowingly, will adore the beast and become infested. So infested will they become that they will betray brother, sister, mother and father, to the authorities, if they should remain loyal to Christianity. Your only hope, children, is prayer to sustain you through this period.

                  I urge you to keep all holy objects, rosary beads, blessed candles, holy water, a copy of the Bible and the holy daily Missal along with the Crusade of Prayer book. You must keep the Seal of the Living God in your home and on you if possible. My Medal of Salvation will convert those who wear it and they will be shown Mercy by my Son. I now request you, child, to have the Medal of Salvation produced now and a Scapular of the Seal of the Living God made.

                  This Message is a warning from Heaven of things to come. You must listen to me, the Mother of Salvation, as I must guide you to the Truth, so that you will remain truly faithful to my Son at all times.

                  Go in peace, children, and be calm as this trial will, because of the Mercy of God, be short. Trust in me, your Mother, as I will be with you always during your trials. You will never be alone.

                  Your Mother

                  Mother of Salvation

                  - from http://www.TheWarningSecondComing.com

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                • BackSpace says:

                  Lone Ranger,

                  I asked questions as to “why”(questions above) Not read again… but I did.

                  8-15.. the end of line 6 beginning of line 7.
                  “You must never…try to interpret it…” Why? This part of her statement has nothing to do with adding or taking away “not one jot or tiddle” of the Word of God. Why would she say not to try to interpret the book of Rev.?

                  8-22.. para.3 “These Messages must never be compared to others” Why?

                  I did error on 8/23 should have been 8-24-13, my bad. sorry.

                  ..out of context…???

                  BS

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        • Cant blame that level of delusion on plain ole hemp…meth maybe but not on one of Gods herbs…naw…

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          I’ve wondered that myself, Ancient Echoes!

          But the answer I’ve found (which I was not fond of) is that IF it has been PROPHESIED about in the Bible, then it HAS to and WILL get played OUT!

          Maria’s “Book of Truth” is found in the Old Testament Book of Daniel.

          And, I’ve done my best to summarize in a concise way God’s Plan to Protect Us All from the Antichrist.

          - The Lone Ranger

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      • The Lone Ranger says:

        John also said that MANY of the elites in our world– the financially super wealthy and the political powerful– take their orders from Satan itself!

        Jesus told Mr. Leary that this group is comprised of the Council on Foreign Relations; the Bilderbergers; the Masons; the Trilateral Commission. Some of these people go to Bohemian Grove where they worship satan.

        Their goal: to EXTERMINATE US! They want ONLY 500 million people on the planet, NOT the 7 BILLION people who are here. Satan has promised them a LOT but it is even deceiving THEM once you read about descriptions of Hell and what Hell actually IS!

        He even read a direct quote from Bill Gates on reducing the population through various means (I don’t have that exact quote but I’m sure you could google it at http://www.start page.com).

        Jesus told Mr. Leary that they aim to accomplish this through their Culture of Death: abortions, euthanasia, wars, viruses in vaccines to give us cancers; and much much more.

        They have been killing us slowly:
        - Flouride in the water, which lowers kids’ IQ points by 20 or more!
        - GMO food (about which Jesus told both John and Maria we need to much less of or pay more for organic) which was and is a deliberate satanic modification of what Jesus called His perfectly created food;
        - Chem trails with diseases;
        - False flag terror events, Jesus said, carried out through chipped persons in order to bring about fear, control, and the elimination of all our rights;

        And VERY soon they will kill us FASTER through:

        - PANDEMIC viruses world-wide they will spread THROUGH chem trails (between now and 1/1/14);
        - World-wide currency collapse to bring about the Mark of the Beast (already in Obama Care starting 10/1, there are diseases in the chip, Jesus said, which will ALSO DISABLE your free will!;
        - Soon, our country, Mexico, and Canada will be renamed the North American Union, Jesus told John, an initiative started by Bill Clinton;
        - Such continental unions will occur world-wide to give the Antichrist total world domination, which God has permitted, but for a short period of time;
        - Such a union will mean, Jesus told John, the complete elimination of the Bill of Rights and our Constitution;
        - Jesus told John that the U.S., because of all the abortions, will fall under the reign of the Antichrist, but we all are to follow His Plan of Protection (described in my post above) if we wish to be saved;
        - [I've read reports of 200,000-350,000 foreign soldiers having been spotted in our country];
        - Jesus told John there WOULD be some martyrs who will say NO to the Mark/chip and thus be brought to the FEMA centers to be gassed, killed, guillotined;
        - The Book of Revelation DOES talk about those beheaded for Christ;

        Now here is a very scary part:
        There will be a period of time we will be at the Refuge Place but Jesus told Mr. Leary that before He returns, the Ison Comet will make a second go round and it will be known as the Comet of Chastisement, a Comet of DESTRUCTION!

        Here is what will happen:
        - Those who repented during or after The Warning will be protected by Jesus;
        - Those who did not repent or do not believe in God when shown proof during The Warning, and/or are evildoers or aligned with the Antichrist will experience 3 Days of Darkness (blacker than black) that NO light will illuminate and Jesus showed John a vision of people suffering a burning sensation– they will be burned continuously and suffering but not killed by that fire and John was also shown how these people will be stung by scorpions the size of horses and ALL this will last 5-months BEFORE they will all be cast into Hell– both people and demons– for even more tortures and complete/entire/total separation from Light, Love, Truth, GOD!

        Jesus told Mr. Leary that Hell was created for the fallen angels and demons, NOT for people, who are ranked HIGHER than angels and demons which make them furiously JEALOUS of human beings and thus they set out to TRAP them in sin so that they can be sent to Hell WITH them! THIS is why God sent His prophets, His Son, and prophets since (like John Leary and Maria Divine Mercy) because Jesus repeatedly tells each of them that He wants to save ALL His children but because of the gift of free will each of us has to CHOOSE to be saved in the ways given in His Holy Word, the Ten Commandments, and His prophets now such as Mr. Leary and Maria Divine Mercy.

        THEN = after those 5-months of suffering by those people– there will be the Era of Peace during which Jesus told Mr. Leary He will make the earth pristine again and renew it fully!

        Oh, before I leave, one last thing: I am calling out EVERYONE who gave not me, but THE INFORMATION I posted a thumbs DOWN.

        You know why?

        Because unless you explain OTHERWISE, you are a follower of Satan sent here to DISCOURAGE all readers of these posts from availing themselves to THE DIVINE PROTECTION OF THE LORD AND HIS FATHER!

        So SHOW yourselves, that is, EXPLAIN your thumbs down because if you can not, then you are in the vice-like grip of SATAN!

        ‘I believe in God but not that crap”– well then you do NOT know the Scriptures where Daniel and Revelation contain references to the above AND you do NOT know that God chooses to Reveal Himself to and through His prophets in order to save all his children from Hell and Purgatory!

        “You ain’t no prophet, lone ranger”– I AGREE, I am only one of the many MESSENGERS and thus by you refusing to READ the Messages at either site, you are consigning yourself to succumbing to literally unfathomable and incomprehensible evils SOON to descend upon us right after The Warning (which will be in December).

        So UNMASK yourself, because you click on thumbs down in order to SWAY the GOOD people here, the GOOD Christian people and the GOOD Jewish people AWAY from GOD’S REVEALED WORD so that they too will perish by succumbing to evil.

        NO ONE who has EVER disagreed with “me” here has EVER admitted to having READ the Messages– either at http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com OR at http://www.johnleary.com

        Did you all notice that too?

        Why?

        Because Satan’s minions are LAZY and will entice YOU to laziness through CONDEMNING God’s Revealed Word!

        Do you see how Satan (whose greatest accomplishment was to convince the world it does not really exist!) uses all TYPES of deception to keep you FROM the Truth? GOD’S Truth? God’s PROTECTIVE Truth?

        So when you see Satans minions comment giving me all sorts of sh– it is not ME they are giving crap to, it is YOU!!!!

        Because they do NOT want YOU!!!! to be PROTECTED from all these DEADLY evils nor from the Antichrist!!!! Those down thumbers were DISPATCHED here so none of us save ourselves in the ways Jesus has instructed. They only care about death and destruction.

        I care about YOU!

        NOT what THEY THINK or SAY!

        I traveled far to see John Leary yesterday in order to ask him questions for myself and all MY doubts are now gone! You can see him too, if you go to where he is speaking (listed at his site).

        So yes, we MUST continue to PREP and PRAY. And PART of prepping means SPIRITUAL preparation because evil is that which destroys and these people will stop at NOTHING to TERMINATE YOUR VERY LIFE, YOUR VERY EXISTENCE– through chem trails, chipped soldiers, virus-laden vaccines and all the other stuff Jesus told Mr. Leary about– and the LIVES AND EXISTENCES OF ALL YOUR LOVED ONES– FAMILY AND FRIENDS!

        Satan is a Terminator and the Antichrist will be the ULTIMATE Terminator and our ONLY protection will be as Jesus has set forth that I have striven to summarize to the best of my ability today, yesterday, and in all my other posts.

        Let me be clear: I do not dislike or hold a grudge against anyone here, and, I’m the biggest sinner I know, but I will call you out if I believe you are part of that deceptive group of people HELL bent on destroying us, our lives, our loved ones, either by your negativity or laziness or cowardice.

        - The Lone Ranger

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          The Lone Ranger:

          My question to you is:

          How many of the things that John and Maria are telling you did you not know prior to their telling you?

          The info about the bilderbergers, tri-laterals, cfr, et.al. can all be found on the internet years before their “revelations” to you.

          I would like to think you knew a lot of this information prior to your meeting with them. Was it really “new” news to you?

          A study of the Book of Revelation would reveal some of what these two people are telling you has been revealed to them has been there for Bible students for centuries.

          I think a lot of people on this site are aware of what is rotten in our country and they didn’t have to wait until now for Maria and John’s revelations.

          I would like to think that you knew a lot about what was happening to America long before your meeting with these people. If not you have not studied well.

          As a Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and I confess my sins to him. By his grace I am saved. I do not have to belong to any congregation or believe in any “hocus-pocus” by your or any other church doctrine.

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          • Got Factories? says:

            Makes me wonder if the chemtrails were to deflect the electromagnetic from the dark rift..

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          • The Lone Ranger says:

            Hi Pissed Off Granny,

            See my posts above, as you ask what others did which I responded to.

            What is NEW to me, and to each of you as well, if you choose to believe both Mr. Leary and Maria, is NOT that the Bible is true, but that what it says in the Daniel and Revelation books IS UNFOLDING RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK and will CONTINUE to unfold in the ways Leary and Maria have been told.

            The Warning, the world-wide famine, a pandemic virus, martial law, the Antichrist are set to all happen this Fall and thereafter, so stay tuned, because I care about you, and I respect your beliefs, Ma’am!

            But as you know, many choose to DISbelieve all what the Bible has prophesised and to DISbelieve that God can intervene and IS intervening NOW to SAVE ALL his children from the death and destruction already begun by the Antichrist.

            As for the hocus-pocus you mention, I was confused by that because surely you must not believe then that while He walked the earth Jesus multiplied the loaves and the fishes and surely you must Not believe He did heal others. Is that not hocus pocus as you define it?

            If you DID believe that, then you would not doubt what He is revealing now. Who am I or you or anyone else to put a limit on almighty God and His Power?

            Lastly, I do not recruit any person into my faith or church. Over and over again Jesus says in the Messages that the Messages are meant for ALL His children. Why do you see it as a catholic church recruiting tool? Did you know that in a Message this past week Jesus told Maria that it would be the catholic church who would persecute her THE MOST???

            Why?

            I think it’s because the church’s hierarchy likes its power, and as your reading of the Old Testament will show, NOBODY likes ANY of God’s Prophets, at least not in their own hometowns! Only in Leary’s and Maria’s cases, their hometowns have been designated by Christ as “the world”.

            That’s you, that’s me, that’s everyone. I’m not a prophet, I’m just a sharer of their Messages given to them, I am convinced now, by Christ Himself.

            I really do not want to believe any of this stuff myself, but I broke through my personal denial (I’m not implying you have denial) only because I witness every damn day all the death and destruction caused by the Gates Foundation with their vaccines (mentioned in a Message to Maria), the flouride, the chem trails, and I could go on and on, I’m just so friggin’ mad about it all.

            I’m only suggesting that neither you nor I nor anyone else get caught up in the very subtle, ultra slick lies and con jobs that Satan wields on us through politicians, and yes, even some of my own church’s leaders.

            Because I AM the biggest sinner I know, I have no right to judge ANYONE. But we DO have the right to judge behavior! I am just trying, in my own little way, to help my fellow human beings who are also on the same journey I am– trying to figure out life, trying to stay ALIVE, financially and otherwise, trying to make SENSE out of all the darkness that ironically inspired Mac to set up and give us this wonderful site!

            Thank you for your frankness, Ma’am, and God bless you.

            - The Lone Ranger

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            • Pissed Off Granny says:

              LoneRanger:

              I believe that Revelation is unfolding right before our eyes. No doubt about that. I also believe that a lot of posters on this site also believe that.

              The hocus-pocus I spoke of is everything from a church named Satan, to witchcraft, to the false prophets/churches that Jesus talks about in Revelation. He tells us to “come out of them”. It is up to each individual to discern if the church they are going to is the “true body of Christ”. My personal opinion from attending several different churches is that they are more interested in making enough money to pay their staff then they are about helping their congregation.

              Because of their tax exempt status they have painted themselves in a corner. They cannot tell their congregation what a pathetic shape America is in; or what course of action their congregation should be taking to participate in trying to straighten out the mess DC (and the rest of the worms) are making of this great nation. Seems the church Obama attended is one of the only ones allowed to be political. What a sham, also, what a shame.

              I see posts on this site every day that people are aware of what is happening in this world and the concern they express about it.

              I know God/Jesus is omnipotent; I can see what he has done for me in my life. Sinner that I am he has always had his hand in my life.

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            • PO'd Patriot says:

              How does Jesus contact Leery? Appear before him and they chat? Text each other? Or does Leery take the shuttle on up? LEERY= definitely what I would be of him!

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          The Lone Ranger:

          Your statement that no one has ever looked at Maria’s messages that disagree with you is not true. If you look back through your posts I told you I had looked at that site.

          I am not giving you a thumbs down. Not because I believe what you state is true; but because I believe you have a right (at least for a little while longer) to state what you believe.

          So, please correct your statement that no one has looked at Maria’s site that disagreed with you. I had at least two conversations with you at two different posts.

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        • JayJay says:

          Luke 21: 6-36

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        • Leonard M. Urban says:

          Okay, Lone Ranger, riddle me this: How come the burning cross in the sky, the “warning” et al aren’t discussed in Revelations? If they are, please correct me with chapter and verse, so I can study them and see that you’re right and I’m wrong. It sounds at the moment, like your “warning” is what we’re warned against in Revelations, as it’s a false christ (capital letter not deserved for a false one) and must be ignored…

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      • kaynine says:

        TWO WORD’S FALSE PROPHET.

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        • Night breaker says:

          Believe me if TPTB are going to mobilize for what he talks about it will be readily apparent it is beginning there is NO WAY that type of operation can be kept covert . We will have ample warning, even if they try pulling this off it will take time to move that much material assets and to coordinate it. Once they start there will be no going back.

          TRUST ME YOU WILL KNOW WHEN IT’S TIME TO BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES.

          RESIST

          Semper Fi 8541

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          • The Lone Ranger says:

            Night Breaker, I LOVE your confidence! And I so respect you!

            The problem with what you say is, for example, we had NO time to find out ahead of time that the NSA is tracking all our I.P. addresses and our posts and our emails and our bedroom stuff and all other privacy violations!

            THAT is HOW slick and deceptive and cunning and SNEAKY evil people are!

            Did you know that in my Fema Region III states are volunteering to SHUT DOWN the power grid on 11/12 and 11/13? It’s all about CONTROL and about setting up the perfect stage for yet ANOTHER evil false flag.

            Jesus told Mr. Leary that 9/11 and other cited events were all false flags, mostly done by chipped people.

            I LOVE your spirit, night breaker, the problem is that they got the C4 to break THROUGH our hatches. We got to OUT THINK these evil folk.

            God bless you.

            - The Lone Ranger

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            • JayJay says:

              I do believe the chemtrail sprayers are chipped.
              They’d have to be to spray that on their children, their children’s foods, their children’s soil, their children’s trees growing their fruit….and their children’s drinking water.
              We lost our sun today early about 8 am and then at the pay lake, they came around for another round of sprays with their evil grids around 3 pm.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Two words kaynine “drop dead” or “go away”! See, gave you a choice

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        • Them Guys says:

          Is that MR.Leary the guys whos Cow kicked a Lantern over and torched Chicago in the 1800′s era?

          Or is he that Professor Leary who took lots of LSD and promoted for college students in 1960′s to also Trip out on massive doses of LSD…”Tune in, Turn On, and Drop Out”! Whoop Der He Go! Timmy Leary just flew past carrying a huge Cow, while totaly Invisible!

          It was a very Multi-Colorfull type lsd cow Too! I mean MOO!

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          • Leonard M. Urban says:

            The Guys, did you know that upon his death, Timothy Leary had his head frozen so that one day, when the technology exists, it could be grafted onto the body of a black woman? It’s true. He doesn’t however, specify just where on her body it will be grafted, though…

            Also, Timothy Leary, satanist, was a fan of Aleister Crowley. Check out this video: http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=6343

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      • ENFP says:

        So, Lone Ranger, who is the Antichrist?

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      • To Mac Slavo says:

        TO LONE RANGER-

        I would like to RESPECTFULLY ask you to rad the following link, as I read all that you wrote, and want to suggest to you that you are following a “false prophet” at best. There is NO scriptual evidence to back ANYTHING He ( leary) claims.

        http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false04.htm

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          Thanks, Mac, for the link!

          Mac, Mr. Conte is a Bachelor’s level theologian but to be a (capital “T”) Theologian you need to have a Doctorate in Sacred Theology among other things– as far as I’ve researched, Mr. Conte has none of those things.

          Therefore, his claim to be a “theologian” is not legitimate and while it might not be his intention to be fraudulent, it approximates fraud.

          I have a Bachelor’s in Theology and a Master’s in Pastoral Studies but neither of those alone or in combination qualifies me to be what Mr. Conte claims he is.

          On the other hand, Mr. Leary is under the supervision of a Commission set up by the Bishop of Rochester, Bishop Matthew H. Clark.

          His commission found that Mr. Leary is “psychologically sound and spiritually serious” and that “his locutions are not a fraud perpetrated on the Catholic community.”

          I don’t know who Mr. Conte is other than what I’ve researched and told you above but I know Mr. Leary is and he checks out.

          Thanks!

          - The Lone Ranger

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          • Genius says:

            Revelation, written by man, the rulers at the time, just a playbook of how they envision they’re world takeover. Pretty simple, just organise your manmade events to coincide with the playbook and people go WOW revelation is REAL! I seriously doubt God writes books.

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      • The Lone Ranger,
        The Bible clearly states we must here the cry of peace and security before Armegeddon begins.

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    26. Frank Thoughts says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Wow…….again!

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      • ENFP says:

        Frank, you are playing right into Lone Ranger’s prophecy because it is Muslims who behead what they see as unbelievers. So they are the chipped MIB soldiers.

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      • Them Guys says:

        So Maria’s Full Name is..Maria DIVINE MERCY!?

        Riiiiggghhhtttttt!!! What next? Maria Glows in the Dark too?….Man they sure got You in Deep!

        It reminds me of that Other Comet Cult group, who bought brand new sneeker shoes and wore shiny silver shirts then just prior to the Last comet, Halleys comet was it? That Cult all commited suicide and cops found them layed out on bunk beds(bunk beds get better Bunkola reception without xtra length Antennas!) deader than a door nail.

        And that Comet never did stop off in LA kalif. to snatch em away!…Dummie fools eh. They should have waited for Maria divine mercy and her sidekick Johnyboy and this New comet!

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          I guess you have not read the Old Testament at all, right, because as far as I know and read, most if not all those Prophets were KILLED.

          Christ told Maria NOT to reveal her last name because of threats to her and her family.

          I am not a prophet, I’m only sharing what I’ve read and researched in order to CONTRIBUTE here.

          What are YOU sharing, and contributing, other than constant negativity and claims you cannot give links for or research to buttress?

          - The Lone Ranger

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        • Kettle Moraine says:

          Hale-Bopp

          molon labe

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        • troll killer says:

          the heavens gate cult

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      • You have obviously never known any real muzzies…they may have a form of discipline as in punishing others but not for themselves and the very core of islam is SIN not a deliverance from it…come on you cant be that stupid for real and still be breathing…THINK MAN!!!

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    27. Dolores Jennings says:

      These are the people behind the ZioBanksters and everything evil in the USA today. Take them down and you have a chance. Let them stay in power and you are all PHOCKED.

      “Our race is the master race. We are divine gods of this planet. We are different from inferior races as they are from insects. In fact compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. The masses will lick our feet as slave”.
      Menachem Begin, Israel PM, Knesset, New Statesman 1982 (Begin and the beasts)

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      • Them Guys says:

        Dolores Jennings: Do you think Menachem Begin and his fellow traveler zio jews also considers Negroe and Chinese Jews a Part of his so called “race” or Master race Jews?…Or is he just speaking of the askanzi Khazars who are part white? (jew is Not a Race, rather it is a religion based on their jewish talmud books)

        Amszeing even when someone posts a direct quote by and from jews, naysayers and defenders of zios and jews will still refuse to re consider their Blind support of such racial supremecists like zioboy Begin and his pals in israel-chicago-NY etc.

        Thanks for posting a good find in a jew spoken quote as Proof solid how pure Evil those persons are.

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    28. possee says:

      Welcome to the Empire

      Taxing and diminishing the poor and working class to debt slavery is nothing new..just new monikers aka social security,local,state and federal withholding’s by decree.

      Hell.our entire system is modeled after the roman empire..

      and nothing has changed for thousands of years..the same lecherous senate still exists in full form becoming nothing but the privileged ruling class profiting on our sweat labor …and caesar is now the president..enjoying the same spoils as always.

      Instead of sharing trinkets and silver pieces to appease the masses..they now shower them with no work, free food, free phones, free health care, and free housing..

      The middle(working) class is now entertained with govt controlled media complexes and bread and circus sports year round,instead of arenas of gladiators and death…while their purses are raided weekly by confiscatory local/state taxes and their central bank enforcers aka the irs.

      All the politicians now, as then, enjoy lavish lifestyles unaffordable by the working class who were either conscripted, or now volunteer, to share in the glory of the empire’s mighty armed forces..

      They still die or suffer debilitating injuries in the name of empire building..and when they return to the motherland, are relegated to dismal pittances for their sacrifices.

      Now, as before, millions still blindly worship their so called benefactors with adulation and cling to false promises for a better life,,more freedoms, more rights, when all along those rights, freedoms are being destroyed before their very eyes.

      They are being deliberately poisoned every so slowly and methodically with fluoride, chemicals, food additives,gmo’s, pharmaceuticals,from the ground(pesticides) sea and air(chemtrails) and are told they have the best lifestyle and health worldwide when in reality have one of the worst lifestyles health wise in the western world..

      They have granted the masses with double edged swords of technologies..mesmerizing them with dazzling gadgets and led screens which mull them to complacency while tracking their every move and thought in the name of national security..

      Surely the Caesars from the past and especially George Orwell would be proud of the modern empires accomplishments..

      possee

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      • Got Factories? says:

        It’s 1:30am. I just got done with a 15 hour straight code session. I’m a software engineer. I’m creating new .com venture…but single handedly. Zero employees, zero employment taxes.

        It’s better to work alone. No meeting and bs.
        No asshole playing “Devils advocate” just gumming up all the shit I’m trying to do.

        Summary….

        The new capitalism is quiet, small, silent, fully automated and not off shore..but up and running on the kitchen table on a leased server. Virtual.
        No building, no real estate taxes.

        Plumbing out a transactional sys. where I get paid millions of ways.

        There you go Obama… I will never create one fucking job for your people.
        And after I get my after slave tax profilts…every penny is going into silver…as it’s Gods money and you cannot fuck with it.

        The new frontier is about the self.

        LIve in books and learn.

        Then implement.

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      • possee says:

        From the London Telegraph

        “this looks like to me like 2007 all over again, but even worse.” !!!!!

        ex-BIS Chief Economist William White exclaims, “All the previous imbalances are still there. Total public and private debt levels are 30pc higher as a share of GDP in the advanced economies than they were then, and we have added a whole new problem with bubbles in emerging markets that are ending in a boom-bust cycle.”

        Crucially, the BIS warns, nobody knows how far global borrowing costs will rise as the Fed tightens or

        “how disorderly the process might be…

        the challenge is to be prepared.”

        This means, in their view, “avoiding the temptation to believe the market will remain liquid under stress – the illusion of liquidity.”

        source :Zerohedge

        possee

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      • x-soviet says:

        Would like to share a related observation from my experience. Unlike in Ancient Rome, where they were tinkering with PM content of their coins, both USA (since 1973) and xUSSR (probably since inception) were/are printing their own fiat currency, which was/is obligatory to accept.

        I cannot express it more clearly, but beware of massive Theater presentation, when things look and work (and are enforced) like real, but in _reality_ they are irrelevant. And reality soon demonstrates itself.

        OK, see, back in 1983-1984, during kgbist Andropov era, working age people were caught and detained by Soviet police during 1st shift working hours in public places like shops, pubs etc. They had to provide explanations of what they were doing in that pub during “working hours”. And in the meantime, everything was working like a clock more or less – trains going, factories working, soldiers serving etc etc. To my horror, it all was only for the show, they manufactured essentially nothing and wasted time and resources. Why all that trouble with police and detainments, you’ll ask? To create an impression of NORMALITY. Nothing worse for TPTB, when their multimillion sheeple horde panics, runs in different directions and destroys everything remaining.

        To those of you here, that think taxes are making any difference – in my opinion, they do not make any difference at all, your TPTB are preserving the impression of NORMALITY by taxing and persecuting you for “tax evasion”. While in reality, they print as many petrodollars as they need (for as long as your military can keep the hold on…)

        Would it be the PM based monetary system, everything would be more “real”, including taxes.

        I do not know, if I was able to deliver my idea, but in any case, beware of Smoke and Mirrors. I would not be surprised (taking into account gullibility of an average American), that if everything else falls, than your TPTB would simulate and Alien space-ship landing, with those “Aliens” giving speeches on TV and explaining to Boobus Americanus, that there is not food, drink and entertainment anymore, because they are “Galactic Sinners” or something in those lines…

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        • Night breaker says:

          X-soviet,
          You hit the nail on the head ,”to create the impression of normality” it’s seems our government is taking the same path , political correctness , surveillance of its citizens , protected political classes etc.

          I am a second generation American my fathers family emigrated from RUSSIA in the late 1920′s
          I have heard all of the stories of the Great Terror . It affects all of us generations removed, my grandfathers nightmare will probably become mine if things continue on its path here.

          What Stalin and Beria did not get of my relatives , the Nazi’s later did we went from a family of 300 to 5 living relatives today all here in the US and people wonder why I prepare ?
          My family has lived the nightmare of Genocide , my family will not go quietly this time .

          WE KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE OUTCOME, WE SAY NEVER AGAIN.

          THERE IS A FIGHT COMING

          RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

          Semper FI 8541

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    29. Yankee Doodle says:

      Those who are prepared for this coming calamity are going to have a hard time making it thru it, but those who are not prepared are going to suffer. There in lies the difference. I too believe in God, but until the second coming, I still have to eat. Everything in this world is under the sovereignty of God, and nothing happens in this world that isn’t predestined. As one famous pastor said, “It is a terrible thing for a sinner to fall into the hands of an angry God.”

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    30. Barn Cat says:

      After it hits the fan even a small town in the Midwest will become more dangerous than Detroit is today. People will be breaking into cars looking for half-full bottles of water and french fries underneath the seats. Besides being willing to kill someone for a can of soup. With no police there will all kinds of horrific crimes committed with no fear of criminal prosecution. It won’t be long and there will be decaying bodies everywhere. People who died from hunger or thirst or violence or suicide. It’s going to be a nightmare. It’s going to feel like you’re in Night of the Living Dead.

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      • guero says:

        Where did the police go?

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        • Them Guys says:

          Has some folks here Forgotten that all those Prepper wrote doomsday books they read like Rawels etc are Just Fiction?…Just because they wrote it and you bought and read their fiction scenarios books does not mean its all going to happen as they wrote of.

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          • PO'd Patriot says:

            True words. But neither do we know for certain which side of the hot blade the butter will slide off.

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          • Genius says:

            Them Guys, indeed I have read a few of those (rawles etc.)and they are like some neocon shtf fantasy. Like a bad TV shtf drama, what are you doing, you idiot don’t do that, why don’t you do this? LOL They are just that.. FANTASY. Maybe get a speck of useful info but other than that it’s just a way to kill a little time. The more I read your posts (Them Guys) the more I see your a pretty smart man. Def. one of my favorites, keep up the good work!

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          • Anonymous says:

            Yes Them Guys-Oh Great One-you know all! BS

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        • Barn Cat says:

          The police went to protect their families after the dollar became worthless and local governments went bankrupt.

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      • Got Factories? says:

        Funny…my thought is to shelter in place in my home fortress.
        If I need food..and run out… EAT THE FUCKING ZOMBIES!!!

        You just put out a sign saying… Free food and an Obama phone at noon here on Saturdays.

        Then set up your kill lane..and there you go…

        ha ha.
        Of course I’m joking…

        Long life king Obama…
        Now all together.. Kumb fucking ya.

        Funny…there’s not one white man in America willing to create jobs for the blacks now…as Obama care enslaved all the employers…that is what obama care is.
        Legalized slavery.

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    31. Withoutabisquit says:

      Can’t remember who posted it, but when the EBT cards stop working. . . When you have an enormous percentage of the population that can’t or will not take care of themselves mixed with a lack of morals, it is a disaster waiting to happen. I come to this site and others from time to time, but I do not need to be convinced of trouble ahead. I just scan for tips and warning signs and continue to prepare toward a self sustaining lifestyle. Personally, I think it will be a slow grind to the bottom, not a big event. For those of us who are older, we have seen the decline already in our lifetimes. But when the “freebies” stop, crime and panic will start to accelerate. Five years ago I taught in an inner city school, believe me I know. Young elementary school children who were as hard as nails and street wise. If this goes down hard, it will not be pretty.

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    32. old guy says:

      The decline will continue. What happened is the country is full of parasite takers who don’t think they need to produce. They believe someone else will produce for them. Now the producing makers are asking themselves why? Why produce when Im punished( robbed & taxed) and what is taken from me is redistributed to some parasite taker? Myself I used to produce . I would spend $30,000 every spring planting crops. And Just swap nickles My wifes job and me driving truck bought the groceries. We where grossing a $100,000 per year and couldn’t progress. We where selling paid for things Just to stay afloat. Paying the county over $8000 per year in property taxes. then there is 10% sales tax on everything we buy. and 15% self employment tax. Then state & federal income tax. Half of what we took in went for taxes paid to folks who had ought naught to do with us producing that revenue. Then there was the insurance cost and every year the premiums would increase. So I simply quit. Hauled my equiptment and cattle to auction sales. Sold some land and paid off the rest. Sold the big home and relocated & downsized. We rented most of our land to other nickel swappers. We kept a few cows and antique tractors. We got some goats ,chickens rabbits ect and grow a good garden. The Wife quit her job and I quit driving truck. We come and go as we please. Out Of debt and healthier & happier. We produce just enough for our own needs. The amount of tax revenue that is generated by our activity is a pittance. We now can live comfortably on a $100 per week. My wife still has a newer vehicle . I drive a restored 67 PK truck. The economy will collapse. Too many parasite takers and to few producing makers. There are no longer enough makers producing enough to pay for the taking parasites. So the US government borrows over 40 cents of every dollar it spends. Its simply not sustainable.

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      • Old guy
        good post. I did basically the same thing about a year ago. The wife and I are still adjusting to knowing what we need and what we want.
        House is paid for and the vehicles are paid for. We grow most everything we eat.
        Bowhunting season started today so I went out to the back of the property. Came home early cause I know I can go anytime I want.
        Life is good when you’re debt free.
        peace

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      • Youre correct….I made the decision years ago to quit producing except for me and mine…raise most of my food and learned to fix and build stuff…my better half has a job she likes and that pays the bills which are few because we planned it that way…we try to do as much as we can without any money(fiat)involved…staying outside the system as much as possible…aint as many of us out here as Id like to see but I have hope that there are a lot of people about to join us…its a good life,hard work but a good life…I eat good and I sleep good…and I don’t hand my life force over to an illegit govicorp any more than needed…theres not much more I need… :)

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    33. Trailer Park Investor says:

      A lot of talk about CME/EMPs taking down the grid, but if a financial meltdown happens and our dollars are worthless who would go to work and work for NOTHING but worthless paper?
      So no one goes to work, so power plants working and even IF they did how would the plants pay for their suppliers?
      We loose power we loose EVERYTHING plus 90% of the population especially if it’s over the winter.
      A winter with out heat, can you imagine the carnage?
      That’s when we loose 98% of the population.
      And winter is coming and the collapse is coming also, the perfect storm in that regards too.
      I hear this winter is suppose to be very bad, so that is more people dieing.
      Prepare for a HARD winter without power, food, running water, flush toilets, (remember toilet paper, it’s important).
      The time to invest in Gold and Silver is past, NOW is the time to invest in food, water, survival supplies…

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      • Dave in ID says:

        There is: wood stoves, rechargable lanterns, oil lanterns. hand water pumps, gravity water holding tanks, canned food, gardens, root cellars, generators. alcohol stills to produce fuel, horses, dirt bikes, guns to keep all that stuff that alot of people out in the country have. It will be a hard winter for the unprepared. Not too bad for the folks that already live the simple life.

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    34. Be informed says:

      I am not sure if the above post about allah and muslims is meant to be funny or serious in support of islam. What I do know is that the belief of islam is not at all funny when it comes to the mass suffering of women, children, and animals that comes from islam. Women are normally beaten into submission, children that are rebellous or question islam often end tortured and sometimes are killed. Animals are beaten and tortured for no other reason than a way to take out frustrations. This all in name of allah (the devil). There are peaceful muslims, as in all religions, but the core of islam is based of savage brutality.

      When I see MILLIONS of innocent Christians in practically every muslim countries that go through being harassed, attacked, and murdered because islam HATES Christians it shows the true colors of this belief. Coptic Christians are just about the most peaceful God practicing people there are, and yet in Egypt and other countries they are attacked EVERYDAY. Little children that have harmed no one are murdered and sometimes raped because the muslims hate their religion so much. Islam goes after other beliefs also, solely based on it is NOT islam.

      I hear this again and again that this hatred of other beliefs is only from the radicals of islam. Well, there are sure a lot of radicals in islam in proportion to the whole population. You don’t see any other religion go out and kill dozens after a cartoon comes up debasing their religion. You print up a million flyers of the prophet muhammad mounting a pig in a cartoon and spread them through just about any arab city and you will have a mass riot and hundreds dead within a couple of days in the muslims countries around the middle east. Killing their own people on top of innocent other religions that did nothing and were not a part of the distribution of the cartoon.

      If this was some cartoon about some other religion’s icon they would rip up the cartoon flyer and go about their day. Islam is about wanton rage. Islam is about one day trying to make the entire planet islam. Islam is about the banning of ALL religions other than islam. Islam is about violence towards anything that is not islam. There is way too much proof each day all over the islamic world of crimes against humanity. Don’t even want to talk about Nigeria and the rest of Africa what is done to non-muslims daily. Radicals usually have the SUPPORT of most of the other members of the islamic community, or they just look the other way.

      How can anyone respect islam when the basic foundations of that belief is to destroy everything that is not into total conformity with the quran? How can anyone respect a religion that teaches automatic hate towards everyone that is not muslim? How can anyone respect islam when in most islamic countries other beliefs are not even tolerated and given the basic decency of just leaving them in peace? How can anyone respect islam with such a high level of attacks on totally peaceful other religions that most of the time won’t even fight back? How can anyone respect such a bully, my way or you are dead, type of belief?

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    35. Sick of it all says:

      Bankers come knockin on yer door when SHTF ? WTF If you don’t own gold or silver pay sheckie in lead. WTF is in your safe? BE SAFE OUT THERE

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      • Genius says:

        Calling it a SAFE is kind of a oxymoron. A safe is the first place they will look for goodies! Nothing but a giant advertisement for thieves. BUT, it serves as an excellent deterrent to take them down the wrong path ;) Just put a few items, old pos rifle, a few junk coins, etc. and they may think thats all you have. Oh and never bury things on your own property. BE SAFE!

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    36. Ancient Echoes says:

      I believe those we all refer to as the “elite” have just been “awake” longer than any of us. Maybe they saw how “asleep” we all were, like we see people today-and they grew afraid and prepped.

      Why is it when the “elite” prepare and take care of themselves we criticize and why do we criticize those not yet awake who do not prepare to take care of themselves? I for one want to keep this system/illusion going as long as possible!

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    37. Tomahawk says:

      Having Gold and Silver is good, but don’t forget to stock up on steel and copper-jacketed lead.

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    38. RickInOregon says:

      Off topic:

      Fish report, I crewed on a sport boat for an albacore fishing trip. We left port at 0600 and headed out 38 miles in search of fish. It was a nice ocean with clean warm water, there was a lot of bird action but after a couple of hours of no love we headed north for an area that was 25 miles away. We stopped and fished along the way and managed a few fish. We arrived at the 25 mile north spot and started to cast iron at a small group of jumpers. We scratched out a few more then went began trolling six rods rigged with swim baits and Rapala XRAPs. The fishing wasn’t great but we managed to coax a stead bite for a couple of hours. We got back into port about 8 pm with a respectable catch. We cleaned up the boat, split the catch and split the cost. I got back home a little after midnight. Nice 22 hour day.

      I brought home my fish whole because I need the carks for crab bait. Today I’ll be cleaning the fish and feeding the chickens, turkeys and labs the blood meat and scrap trimmings and I’ll treat myself to some thinly sliced raw tuna dipped in soy sauce and topped with pickled ginger and wasabi. I’ll save some fresh tuna for the bbq and then tomorrow I’ll be canning the rest.

      We seen one whale and one whale spout and just a couple sharks.

      I don’t know if I’ll get anymore tuna trips in this year. 2013 Oregon tuna season started off with promise but ended up being a tough one for me. I managed to get my winter needs of canned tuna but I had to travel many more ocean miles and put in a lot more time to get it done. By now I should be fishing for fun and not meat. Oct and Nov means crabbing time and wild mushrooms.

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      • RickinOregon…just curious & a serious question, with all of the radiation from Fukushima in the ocean and coming this way(US)…is it wise to be eating fish? I mean, I used to be the biggest fish lover ever, but once I realized what was coming from Japan, I stopped eating all fish.

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        • RickInOregon says:

          JP, good question. Until I hear form a reliable source that it’s unsafe then I will continue to fish and eat fish. The fishing community here is pretty tight knit and filled with people from many back grounds. We had Judges, cops, college professors, contractors, businessmen, politicians, lawyers, scientist, biologist. We have lefties and conservatives and people that just don’t care about politics. Fishing is all inclusive, no conspiracies here. The reason why there’s so many professionals is that an offshore boat is expensive and you’re not going to buy one with an ebt card. If there was a health issue with our fish, this fishing community would know and they would spread the word. Some of these guys have the test equipment at their work places, in their labs and they have an vested reason to know, their health and the health of their families and loved ones.

          The following spring and summer after the tsunami we were collecting debris in our waters, I have a couple of floats that I recovered. When we were fishing yesterday there were logs that look like they made their way across the ocean, they were filled with marine growth that you don’t normally see on the local logs.

          The solution to pollution is dilution, this may be the case with the contaminated water. The tuna that visit our waters are born in the mid pacific then come to the northwest as two to three year olds before going to Japanese waters. The tuna here have been tested for mercury and because of their young age have not been able to absorb enough of it to be an issue. The radioactive contaminated water will be very diluted by the time it reaches where the tuna live before coming to the northwest. They are being watched and monitored by NGO’s and by non-corporate interest.

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          • RickInOregon says:

            Also, I’ve yet to find any abnormalities of any kind, no deformed fins, sores or strange coloration nor have I heard of any being found.

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            • Dave in ID says:

              Maybe you could stick a rad stamp on the meat?

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              • RickInOregon says:

                I gave up drinking, fighting, chasing women and smoking, I’m sure in the hell not going to give up the last thing that lets my nuts hang. Some of you might be comfortable being castrated, I’m not. I’d rather die with a fishing rod in my hand than bed ridden with sores in an Obama death bed.

                When I die I will have memories of good times and adventures and of making mistakes because I was willing to take the risk. I will die knowing that I lived. I have a life philosophy of “Nothing happens to those that do nothing”. If you want to sit around and be scared and having done nothing, then that’s how you will die, scared with having done nothing. Nothing happens to those that do nothing.

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                • RickInOregon….I didn’t mean to suggest that you give up fishing because sometimes the normal activities that we’ve enjoyed for years keep us happy and sane. As you say, there are people in your group who test the fish(hopefully for radioactive substances) and certainly they have a vested interest in healthy and safe fish for their families.
                  You may be right about dilution….I’m going to do some different searches on the net to see if that theory is workable because I would love to eat fish again before the shtf and possibly after!

                  An article that I read more than a year ago on CNN
                  ” Low levels of radioactive cesium from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident turned up in fish caught off California in 2011, researchers reported Monday.

                  The bluefin spawn off Japan, and many migrate across the Pacific Ocean. Tissue samples taken from 15 bluefin caught in August, five months after the meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi, all contained reactor byproducts cesium-134 and cesium-137 at levels that produced radiation about 3% higher than natural background sources”
                  My concern is that “Unlike some other compounds, radioactive cesium does not quickly sink to the sea bottom but remains dispersed in the water column, from the surface to the ocean floor.

                  Fish can swim right through it, ingesting it through their gills, by taking in seawater or by eating organisms that have already taken it in ….” quoted from Reuters

                  These stories from CNN & Reuters were the main reason that I stopped eating fish, hence my question to you.
                  Anyway, your fishing stories are great and look forward to more! Thanks for the response….

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                • Dave in ID says:

                  Rick…instead of eating the fish, sell them and only accept EBT or Obamaphone minutes as payment.

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                • …you know Im a suspicious person when it comes to the govicorp…and I just wonder how bad this radiation thing in the fish really is…I know some folks will tell me Im nuts and that’s okay cause I am but I wonder if tptb wouldn’t stoop to scaring people crazy of eating wild caught seafood to make them just a bit more dependent on the system…after all you can live pretty well off the sea…Im not a big seafood eater myself but it still feeds a lot of people and if you were a tyrant trying to narrow peoples options aside from depending on you,It’d make sense wouldn’t it?

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        Rick, i love a good fishin story…

        safety in your future voyages…lms

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      • RIO….hey man, fishin is NEVER off-topic…if I was anywhere near the big water Id be out there myself…thanks for sharing…

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    39. Pissed Off Granny says:

      For Genius:

      If you don’t scroll through the articles again I just posted a question to you. I will post it again here hoping you see it.

      Have you ever looked into Rhoades Scholars?

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Hi again Genius:

        I misspelled the word Rhodes.

        Wonders never cease.

        Go to:

        The Fabian, the Round Table and the Rhodes Scholar
        modernhistoryproject dot org/mhp?article=finalwarning&c=5.1

        Quoting from the article

        The Rhodes fortune, through the Rhodes Scholarship Fund, has been used to promote the concept of GLOBALISM & ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

        Up to 1953 out of 1372 American Rhodes Scholars, 431 had positions in teaching or education adm., 31 were college presidents, 113 held govt. positions, 70 had media positions, 14 were executives of foundations.

        President Clinton and Carter were Rhodes Scholars.

        That article said “1953″. Think how many of these scholars since then have penetrated the US in prominent positions. Your senator, representative, etc. could easily be one.

        The English House of Windsor controls an enormous percentage of this earth and its population. We are led to believe that England is a floundering country. In an article I read about Putin he is actually being funded by the British (or if you prefer, the one-worlders). We are being led down a very slippery slope; the sheeple will never wake up to the intrique until it is too late.

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    40. redoubtable says:

      when you run out of TP-
      stock up now on rubber gloves, the Playtex kind you’d use for washing dishes, then when the TP is all gone, you put on your rubber gloves, wet a washcloth and wring it out, you poop and wipe, fold washcloth, wipe again, fold washcloth, wipe again, then you wash both the washcloth and the rubber gloves OUTSIDE and let them both dry. ONLY use the gloves and washcloth for yourself, never use anyone else’s. Have multiple sets of rubber gloves which you can pick up cheap for about $2 a pair..

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      • Leslie Anne says:

        I’d rather continue keeping a large stockpile and not run out of toilet paper. I recently expanded to a seven-year supply, but after reading what you wrote, I think I’ll up it to ten “just in case” :)

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    41. inflamed boil says:

      Right now I am watching it all happen on my TV and I don’t think it can happen to me either. The one big difference between me and someone else is I don’t have any debt I haven’t buried my head in the sand and I moi have been stacking metal for darn near two decades. That includes Lead. So yeah. Maybe it can happen hear. Let’s dance.

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    42. Prepped in CT says:

      You can prep, have as many guns as you like, save drinking water enough for an army, but if you do not have the ability to step back, analyze a situation, and roll with the changes, you will be just as dead as if you had done none of the above.

      Panic will get you killed. Being labeled as “different” will get you killed. You will have to do a lot of acting to survive. You will have to act like you’re just like everyone else…struggling without food, water, basic necessities of life.

      There are certain limitations that you have to accept also. For example, I live approximately 35 miles away from NYC…if NYC is nuked or whatever, I’m gone, goodbye, outta here. That is one scenario that I already know what I’m going to do. I’ll bring my family here together, and we will go out of the world together, probably sitting on my back porch with a cold drink in my hand.

      For anything else, I will rely on the ability to think fast and not panic. The ability to roll with the punches is going to make just as much difference as being prepped to the hilt. Things happen. Houses burn to the ground for no reason…storms…earthquakes…tsunamis…

      Keep your head while those around you are losing theirs. Above all, don’t get lost in the gloom and doom. There is a life out there to be lived, enjoy it while you can.

      This is the way I look at things. No two people look at things in the same way.

      Enjoy your life, but keep your eyes open.
      _______________________________________________

      You can’t FIX stupid, but it IS survivable

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      • guero says:

        Nuclear blasts are survivable for most Americans, IF they know what to do and have modest preparations. When evacuating after a nuclear explosion, travel crosswise to the downwind drift of the fallout. The most dangerous, and most noticeable fallout, falls close to ground zero. Smaller and lighter dust particles arrive hours later as they drift farther, often hundreds of miles. Radioactive fallout loses 90% of it’s lethal intensity in the first seven hours and 99% in two days.

        People in suburbs who survive the blast need to stay in their homes for three days, in the basement if they have one; after three days, the radiation decays and they can go outside for a ten minute trip once a day, and after two weeks they can go outside all the time. Anyone who leaves their home before the three days, even for a short trip to get their child at school, will get a fatal dose of radiation and die a horrible death over the next month, bleeding to death internally.

        Vitamin C and Cilantro both remove heavy metals (as in uranium) from your body. Vitamin also heals some radiation damage. (according to Japanese scientists) Of course, you have to take a lot, but Vitamin C is not toxic.

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        • Prepped in CT says:

          Yup. The body takes the Vitamin C it needs, the rest is excreted.

          I have a lot of herbs and spices…but after what you said I will look at my oregano supply and see if it is up to speed.

          Thank you so much!

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        • Leslie Anne says:

          I have IOSAT on hand. What is your view on IOSAT?

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          • guero says:

            IOSAT protects against radioactive iodine only. Its doesn’t protect from any other radioactive element. Radioactive iodine is the biggest threat from a “conventional” nuclear reaction. But if it’s a dirty bomb, or a nuetron bomb, or fukushima, the radioactive isotopes will be different (cesium, etc.). I would use every form of protection I could find, IOSAT, Vitamin C, cilantro, thick dirt walls.

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      • PenCRNA says:

        Geez prepped in CT, and I feel trapped in central CT. You are really between a rock and a hard spot. My son was watching war of the worlds the other night (remake) and I walked into the room when the son was driving the van and didn’t know to not drive into the crowd at the hudson river ferry, and the chaos that followed. If we bug out we have to do it way ahead of the masses, before martial law. We have to get into and out of New York pretty quickly. Hubby wants to bug in, then head out when things settle down…..ha. Well be like Tom Cruz in War of the worlds…SCREWED.

        I do hope and pray this collapse is a slow grind, and we can relocate before the scum leave the cities.

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        • Prepped in CT says:

          Yup. Caught between a rock and a hard place pretty much describes it, I’m afraid.

          New York State would be a mess. I can kind of understand why your hubby wants to wait, then make your move. But to do that you would have to keep your head to the ground and listen through traditional channels. I would bet one of the first things they would do is shut off the internet, so we wouldnt have access to sites such as this one.

          We live in interesting times. Thanks for posting. I don’t feel so alone.

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      • Dave in ID says:

        build a fallout shelter for about 1K$. (thats materials) cinderblock filled with concrete, door made out of 1/2 inch plywood multi layered with dura rock (cement board) between layers, about 3 for a total of 3 1/2 inches. puy a portipotti with a shower curtain around it two air vents U-shaped and a small air blower with a hepa filter on the suction side Vacuum cleaner ones are cheap. One drum of water, a LED light, some food, folding cots, Lots of guns and ammo, ass wipe and more guns (I like guns)

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          Dave you are my kind of guy.

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          • Dave in ID says:

            Im just been practical as a fallout/root cellar has multi purposes like storing food, water, hand tools and potatoes, carrots, beets etc from the garden.

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        • Prepped in CT says:

          Here, they make you fill out paperwork for everything.

          I’ve always wanted an outdoor shed.

          My father built his home with cinderblock filled in with concrete. he always told us he did it that way to keep the house cool. After reading your post, I think I know now why he did it that way.

          My dad was a smart cookie!

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    43. To Mac Slavo says:

      PREPPED in CT——

      then you are right in FF county. Good fucking luck with Bridgeport, Stamford, Norwalk etc etc. right in your backyard. Nowhere is any good in my opinion anyway. Small town or big city…. all have pluses and minuses. Collapse in Argentina, city was not as bad as people here talk…

      get in touch with me if you can…we can talk.

      In the mean time……… blend. Just look as hungry and needy as everyone else might be.

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      • Prepped in CT says:

        You got it! Right in the heart of The Gold Coast.

        Nowhere is good is absolutely correct. My original thought was when we were able to get out, we would head for where I was brought up, which is in northeastern kentucky. Last time I was there I was shown a trailer where the owner was away for a few weeks and drug users had literally torn the outside paneling off the trailer and stripped it to get to the copper wiring that they could sell to buy drugs.

        Meth and alcoholism is bad there too. Not a great place to be when TSHF. I think, even with being so close to NYC, that I am better off here.

        Who am I talking to? I know the nick you use here isn’t “To Mac Slavo”. I assume you are having problems signing in for some reason.

        Sorry…I have trust issues. LOL (laughing at myself, not you)

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        • kynase says:

          Just think…when those junkies can’t get their drug of choice, SHTF will be an understatement. People will get killed because it might look like they have a rock or pill. Scary stuff.

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        • OK then says:

          Prepped in CT- you are talking to me. I am just maybe 30 minutes north of you. I aint going anywhere. I know the land too good. I am not far from city but in the woods so to speak.
          The morons in the cities will mostly die off kinda quick I think….. that and they dont have more than pistols, most of em. So to go against rifle would be hard. Also, after a few days they would be hungry.

          But KNOW that there are Crips and Bloods all over FF county, Latin Kings, MS13 and more.
          Too bad we could not email, and get that other person form CT also. Could be fun.
          we could all set up shill email addresses and use that to talk I suppose.

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      • Prepped in CT says:

        Would like to talk…lets set it up.

        Thank you!

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    44. Okie rebel says:

      Most of the folks I know who are investing in precious metals are buying lead

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    45. Pissed Off Granny says:

      For any of you out there who are concerned about vaccines and big pharma read Jon Rappaports blog today at no more fake news.

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    46. Why bother? says:

      What I don’t see people say a lot, but I have to imagine others feel this way…if things get SO bad that it is literally like living in hell on earth, why would you want to survive that? One answer might be instinct to keep your family/children alive, but what if you don’t have kids? What if your kids die, God forbid? I would not want to “bug out” and live like an animal in the forest, sorry. I understand prepping and attempting to prepare for a short term chaos type situation…but beyond that, I am not prepping a deep woods bug out, I am not creating an arsenal of defense and I am not going to be taken alive to any kind of “fema camp”.

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      • Leslie Anne says:

        “Living like an animal in the forest” sounds like fun. I guess it all comes down to what a person considers the definition of “fun” to be. For outdoorsy types, primitive camping is exciting, challenging, hard-yet-rewarding, and also relaxing. It all has to do with mindset.

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        • Leslie Anne says:

          If I were going to pick a place to die, it would be the Northwoods of Wisconsin where my ancestors lived for thousands of years. I would try to make a go of it, but if I failed and died, I would die being happy I was on ancestral land.

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          • LA…agreed…Ive alluded to that here before…my blood is 120% American born from this ground…my Cherokee/Seneca and Scot/Irish ancestors fought the brits in the first war for independence….then the federals in the second one…I expect to fight in the third one defending the land of my nativity from whatever breed of bassturds make up this next batch…if I die I add my blood to the land that’s already soaked with the blood sweat and tears of my forebears….sounds poetic in a sense but I see it as fitting…Ill live free on this ground and Ill die free on this ground and sleep in it till the good Lord calls me back to the land of the living…Im not leaving,Im not conceding one friggin inch to them… good luck in your travels… :)

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          • Jeff says:

            A born and raised Wisconsin boy here. I’ve seen a lot of different places in part due to Uncle Sams world travel place, and my own wandering across this country. But there is hard to describe quality of the woods and hills of the state that makes me feel a little more relaxed and at home. Granted the liberals in Mad City and Milwaukee are screwing it up. My kids and their generation will never have it as good as I did. They will not know what it is like to have a wooded area and open fields as a play ground. Lord, thank-you for that gift.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Hunter or hunted,
          I think that inner animal instinct and addrenalin take uou to a different place, sorta like rushing big surf!

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      • Archivist says:

        If nothing else, I would want to be a part of rebuilding civilization. That’s why I’m the Archivist. I am archiving all the information that will be needed. Also I’ve learned to do everything I can, such as carpentry, gardening, cooking, etc.

        I don’t plan on bugging out to the woods. I hope to get by until things settle down. I’m good at getting along. As an example, I was once accosted by a gang of “youths” who wanted to beat me up. One of them even had brass knuckles. I was able to talk them out of it by convincing them I wasn’t the one they wanted to fight. I was prepared to hurt them, but I didn’t have to. It might have helped that I was at least a foot taller than any of them.

        Anyway, surviving means you can try to make the world a better place.

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        • Anonymous says:

          That’s interesting, Archivist. How are you archiving such that the information will be persistent? Paper, solid state digital, some combination of media? I have enough books in the attic to cause the beams to buckle, and an appreciable number in my office. But all those are just my personal preferences, or they chronicle my interests going back to my juvenilia. They aren’t necessarily humanity’s best and most desirable works.
          BTW, I got attacked as a kid quite a bit because I skipped a grade and was the shrimp. Some of those guys are now Jabba-the-Hutt-looking sorry outfits, or are drug addicts, and many are dead. Strange how the worm turns in life sometimes, isn’t it?

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          • Archivist says:

            I started collecting books back in the 1970s. Used books were dirt cheap back then. Some places even sold them by the pound. I have a few thousand books in hard copy on a lot of topics, including gardening, electronics, carpentry. mechanics, history, philosophy. I have almanacs back to the 1970s and a few as far back as 1825. I have a number of old sets of encyclopedias. You wouldn’t believe how much information has been deleted from encyclopedias over the years. For example, 1970 Britannica has a whole column-length article on Niall of the Nine Hostages. The next full edition, the one with the Micropedia, Macropedia stupidity, had only a couple of paragraphs. And the old books have neat photos and are not PC either. I also have a lot of the classics, such as Plato, Josephus, Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Walt Whitman, etc.

            I have 100,000+ digital books. Currently they are stored on multiple hard drives, which get recopied and updated as larger drives come on the market. I would like to put them on solid state drives, but the drives are not large enough yet. It would take 50 or 60 of them to back up everything I have right now, including my movies, TV shows, MP3 files, and uncompressed WAV files of my record collection. I am backing up what I consider the most important to CD. I am printing out a few references, but the price of ink or even toner limits me there. I only use acid-free paper for the printouts. I have found that laser printed documents start sticking together eventually, so I use inkjet for long-term projects. People say the ink will run when wet. I say that if it gets wet, it’s ruined no matter how it’s printed, so I just make sure that my permanent collection is kept safe from water.

            So I keep migrating to new hard drives. I have not lost any files since my first computer back in about 1983. I still have every cassette tape, 8 inch floppy, 5 inch floppy, 3.5 inch floppy, zip drive, and hard drive I have ever owned. So I have copies of everything from 3.5 on back on 3.5 plus they have all been migrated to zip and then to hard drives. All of the oldest stuff has also been copied to multiple CDs and DVDs just in case. The most important files are always kept on two or more separate hard drives, including one set that is kept in foil.

            If there is a collapse and new drives are unavailable, I’ll start printing more of my references. I have stacks of old computers and printers, including dot matrix. I have a supply of ink to reink the printer ribbons.

            Hopefully I can keep the archives intact until a sufficient recovery.

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    47. CWinOR says:

      I have quite a significant portfolio in precious metals. and in quite an array of “sizes”.

      Brass and Lead- outperforming all other PM’s since 2008

      You think a round of quality, handloaded .223 won’t be barterable? think again. In a true SHTF scenario, what are you going to do- throw golden or silver eagles at an intruder? bag a deer like that? right. even if i could afford to buy gold or silver- I’d rather take that money and load up another thousand rounds of whatever i have the least of/will use the most of.

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    48. Slack says:

      “After my reelection I’ll have more flex ability.” Those words are ringing out more and more everyday. That is just the way I see it.

      NOMI

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    49. Slack says:

      Russian military resumes permanent Arctic presence
      Published time: September 14, 2013 14:51

      The heavy nuclear-powered GM cruiser “Peter the Great” (RIA Novosti/Vitaliy Ankov)
      The Russian Navy’s long-distance cruise in the Subarctic along the Northern Sea Route has become a flagship mission in the region abandoned by the military after the fall of the USSR. Now the once deactivated infrastructure will resume operation.
      On Saturday, Russia’s Defense Ministry officially announced return of Russia’s military to the Subarctic region. The statement was made to mark the arrival of a task group of 10 warships and support vessels to the western coast of Kotelny Island in the Novosibirsk (New Siberian Islands) Archipelago.
      The task group is headed by Russia’s most powerful battleship and the flagship of the Northern Fleet, cruiser Peter the Great (Pyotr Veliky). The group is accompanied by four nuclear icebreakers facilitating the passage through areas with particularly thick ice.
      “For the first time ever, all Russia’s nuclear surface ships – heavy nuclear missile cruiser Peter the Great and nuclear icebreakers Yamal, Vaigach, Taimyr and 50 Let Pobedy, were combined to perform a joint task,” Commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov told journalists Friday.
      The task group left the port of Severomorsk and has already covered 2,000 nautical miles, crossing the Barents, Kara and Laptev seas.

      “We have come, or rather permanently returned, to where we belong, because it is originally Russian land,” said Army General Arkady Bakhin, Russia’s First Defense Minister.
      On Saturday Commander Chirkov told reporters that another group of vessels belonging to the hydrographic service of the Northern Fleet has reached the northernmost coast of the Rudolf Island in the Frantz Josef Land Archipelago and landed there. Later, this group of ships is also expected to call on the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago.
      “The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will fully implement the task of permanent military presence in the Arctic to secure the legal access of the country to resources and spaces of this region. This will be a constant presence,” Chirkov said.
      For Russia, this is only the beginning of improvement of the entire route of the Northern Sea Route and the adjacent Arctic zone, Bakhin said. Even though the task is immense, Russia has the equipment and trained personnel to attain its goals in the Arctic, he said.

      Bakhin said that Temp military airfield on Kotelny Island that was inactive for over 20 years will become operable in October, as An-72 and An-74 cargo planes will land there, bringing instruments and supplies for the reactivated Air Force base. In the near future the airstrip will be modified to be able to receive heavy cargo planes such as Il-76 and An-22 Antey military jumbos. This will speed up reestablishing Russia’s military presence in the Arctic region, as the air connection will be regular, all-weather and all year around.
      The Temp military airfield will become the Russian Air Force’s main logistical hub in the region and will be thoroughly modernized, Bakhin said. In the first place this means using special material for the airstrip that will have to withstand most severe conditions and extremely low temperatures of the polar waters.
      “We must reestablish Arctic aviation and infrastructure, both on the mainland and the islands,” Bakhin said.
      In 2012, the Peter the Great cruiser, with a group of Russia’s Northern Fleet battleships, visited these waters and performed its first beach landing on Kotelny Island.

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      • Smokey says:

        Yes, the Northwest Passage has melted open, cutting thousands of miles off ship passages in the Northern Hemisphere. Most of the length is either Russian or Canadian, both nations are putting naval units there.

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    50. PenCRNA says:

      In a conversation at work yesterday, some of the other nurses were talking about obamacare and the jobs situation. How its only going to get worse, and how terribly folks they know are doing. They were speaking of how college grads couldn’t find jobs, when they did are not getting enough hours to pay rent, get a car to drive, etc.

      I tossed out the concept of Agenda 21. They had no clue what I was speaking of. So I told them to google it, that it was a UN agenda for globalization of the worlds populace, and that through legislation our government is slowly but surely forcing us down that path. I have to say that until I stumbled on this site last December, I had never heard of it. No matter how much I want to I can’t deny it is happening. I started reading the actual UN PDF document recently. It makes me rabid to think how they are using women to promote their agenda. Like they think we are all freaking stupid bleeding heart unwed-baby momma poor mouthers. Well NWO, this woman has a mind and can think for herself. Don’t underestimate me!

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      • braveheart says:

        Howdy, PENCRNA. Kudos to you for being independent-minded. Isn’t it wonderful to have critical thinking skills and not be brainwashed by anyone? It is tragic what feminism has done to the minds of American women. On Agenda 21, I’ve also researched that and it will be horrific if it’s implemented. There’s no way I’ll ever live in something the size of a shoebox. My message to the NWO has always been the same as yours. best wishes. braveheart

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      • …whats that ole saw about “the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”…the NWO has indeed attacked womanhood and tried to make it into nothing…to make women feel useless and inferior…that’s one of the reasons I hate islam and most of these simular systems because women are treated like chattels like lesser beings instead of beings who are half of the family of man…the better half methinks in many cases…aint nothing weak about a riled up American momma…NWO… you have been warned…glad youre on our side! :)

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    51. Be informed says:

      @ Them Guys. Remember the Flintstones cartoon? In one episode the Flintstons went into the future and one of the stop overs was modern day. Fred ask for 4 bronto burgers and the guy frying up the hamburgers at the concessions stand laughs and says that will be 2 rocks. Fred gives him 2 rocks. The guy says a joke is a joke and he asks for 2 dollars, and Fred tells him that is good Bedrock currency. The guy calls the police and they run off and the police give chase.

      ANYTHING can be considered currency as long as people will use it for transactions between each other. The common U.S. dollar will has the words, “this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private”. This is printed on a piece of cloth, yet it is used to purchase everything from a pack of gum to a yacht because it has something that backs it up and says it has worth. In reality the piece of cloth is worth the same or less than toilet paper. You can make something the has value behind it like copper, silver, gold or other metal and put a value to it, but that would mean that the U.S. dollar is strong enough to do so.

      Even if people continue to use the U.S. dollar this cannot continue if the U.S. dollar becomes almost as worthless as Bedrock currency because there is nothing to back it up. What besides oil backs up the U.S. dollar? As I said maybe the agriculture industry, that right now the government pays farmers NOT to produce too much. If you were a country would you trust a loan to the U.S. now? How about after the oil dollar is a basket of currency?

      Just like when loan sharks give extremely desperate people loans at out of the world interest rates, the same goes true with the U.S, to a lesser degree because of all the money owed and because the country is in a downward swing. Another huge reason for lack of trust in the U.S. is the ever increasing number of dependents that come under the word entitlements. The U.S. right now is a bad risk, and when OPEC and other figure out there is much more safety in a basket currency or some OPEC dollar, the U.S. will become an awful risk.

      All of this means an economic death spasms. At one point the U.S. could have money that has fallen to the level of a peso in the 1980′s and 1990′s. I know many places that sell precious metals write articles about the demise of the U.S. dollar, but most of these are true though. If the U.S. was a person with that much owed in comparison and continuing to build up that much more owed, they would be going to jail right now. Cloth money with words, numbers, symbols, and picures on it as worthless as the plastic credit cards that people have become attached to like the implants that they will be getting after martial law takes over. Nice future for everyone, thanks BO, congress, and baboon helicopter ben for pushing the country over the edge. .

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    52. Anonymous says:

      USGS Signals
      ________________________________________
      It will not be a lack of information from the USGS that will be the point of confusion during the earthquakes leading up to the New Madrid adjustment, it will be knowing which quake is the BIG one vs the many minor quakes preceding it. The USGS downgrades almost all earthquakes, to prevent meaningful statistics from being generated from their databases. They also exclude quakes whenever they can, but this is unlikely to happen in the New Madrid area as it is in the center of a populated land mass. Thus you will have magnitude 6 quakes that will be called a 5.2, magnitude 7 quakes called a 6.1, and when a magnitude 8 or greater quake occurs, it will be called a 6.9.

      We would advise that rather than watching the USGS quake statistics, that you watch the adjustment that will incite the European tsunami will involve bridges on the Mississippi breaking, and being impassable. The land to the west of the Mississippi will drop so that the Mississippi will become 50 miles wide in the state of Mississippi. Watch for this. The New Madrid adjustment will be several large quakes of magnitude 8-9, though will be listed as a lesser magnitude. As the N American continent continues to unzip up to and along the Seaway, the quakes will be less than a magnitude 8 but very destructive to Cleveland and Toledo and Buffalo and the inland locks along the Seaway. Thus it is not what the USGS says that should be watched, but the condition of the bridges on the Mississippi, the impact on the cities along the Seaway, and whether the inland locks are reported as inoperable.

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    53. Anonymous says:

      As both sides of the New Madrid Fault Line are pulled in opposite directions, the entire fault line operates as a slip-slide fault line. In that the land just to the west of the Mississippi River moves the greatest distance, to ease the pressure on the bow currently formed by the N American continent, this creates a void, a stretch zone void, causing the land there to drop, as we have explained. This is the region currently experiencing precursor earthquakes, the region considered the New Madrid region. But the movement is not yet happening, the void not yet being created. Instead, occasional slight slip-slide adjustments are being made, deep within the rock strata, causing minor quake swarms or sympathetic jolts in neighboring areas. The rock fingers are slipping, but not losing their grip.

      When the plate tearing starts in earnest, these slip-slide jolts will be huge, and rise up to the magnitude 8-9 range, as we have stated. These quakes will ride up to the bend in the fault line just south of Lake Michigan. Earthquake damage is primarily done when the rock close to the surface is affected, as is known by man. The quality of the rock along the fault line thus affects the shaking and resulting damage to the surface. A glance at a map of the rock along the Mississippi at Arkansas and Missouri is younger, laid down by sediment, and tends to fracture broadly, thus relaying earthquake jolts over a vast area. Broad fractures also cause post quake adjustments, so the quake includes rock shuffling, all of which translates to a larger magnitude for the area. Thus, the worst of the New Madrid adjustment will be felt in this area.

      The rock strata that hold Illinois and Indiana is older, and more solid. Fracturing of the rock tends to be a single jolt, not the multiple ricocheting jolts that magnify any adjustment in the rock strata experienced by the rock strata in Arkansas and Missouri. The magnitude will still be considered high, perhaps an 8, but the shaking will not last as long, and the damage therefore not as great. Were the bend in the fault line just south of Lake Michigan not at a point where the southeastern part of the US is dropping away from the Seaway, the damage along the Seaway would be much greater. The Equator is expanding in the center of the Atlantic, and has already, by this time, ripped open between S America and Africa. The southeast thus drops toward this void, relieving pressure and friction along the slip-slide in the fault line as it runs under the Seaway.

      By the time the New Madrid adjustment reaches the bend, land to the west of the Mississippi has already dropped, pulled away, but this actually puts more pressure on the fault line as it runs under Michigan. This holds, momentarily, while the southeast starts to drop toward the Atlantic Rift, and then pulls apart sharply. Here, beneath Michigan, the jolts will also not last for long, and will also be considered up to magnitude 8. The fault line thence along the Seaway will unzip, along rock strata borders already established. Where stretch zones such as this normally have adjustments that are basically silent, they do much damage. The unzipping creates crevasses and landslides and sinkholes, and when this occurs under cities is devastating. The quakes will be considered much less than magnitude 8 but the damage will be greater, with consequent lost of life and infrastructure. A building that has collapsed because of a large jolt is no different than one that has collapsed because the ground beneath it sank.
      As is known, there is a fault line running up along the East Coast of the US that attaches to the New Madrid fault line in the Gulf. Both fault lines touch there, in the Gulf, and when the New Madrid adjusts there is a sympathetic adjustment up along this fault line. During the last New Madrid adjustment, church bells rang in Boston and cracks appeared in buildings in Savannah, GA and Charleston, SC. These changes are caused by earthquakes equivalent to a magnitude 4-5 or less, not serious.

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    54. Anonymous says:

      San Andreas Fault

      The New Madrid adjustment will affect so much area, in a domino manner, that it will not be a single large quake, but a series, separated by weeks and months. The primary adjustment will be within days, after shocks for weeks, but months later still, adjustments. Then, there will be a bow from San Diego out to Arizona. When this bow, which forces Mexico too far to the West for the comfort of the West Coast, adjusts, it will be a slip-slide adjustment of the San Andreas and related fault lines up the coast.

      After the New Madrid adjusts the West Coast adjusts. All the fault lines closely watched on the West Coast will adjust, the volcanoes nervously watched will erupt, and certainly the waters off the coast will be choppy if not generating some minor tsunami during the plate adjustments.

      European tsunami will happen almost instantly after the New Madrid adjusts. Other than indicate that a slip-side adjustment along the San Andreas will occur after this New Madrid. Great quakes, such as magnitude 9, should not be expected, but eruptions in the West Coast volcanoes should be anticipated. A slip-slide fault line usually does not move all at once, but in a domino fashion, a bit here, a bit there.

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    55. Anonymous says:

      San Andreas Slide

      The San Andreas Fault line runs up through California and thence out into the Pacific. This is a slip-slide zone through California, so that mountain building occurs on both sides of the San Andreas Fault. Why would this be so, when the Pacific compresses greatly? There are points out in the Pacific, which is not one plate but at least four, that give more readily, thus sparing California from immediate subduction trauma. Yet the plates pushing under the West Coast of N America do cause mountain building all the way to the Continental Divide. How can this seeming contradiction exist? Plates are composed of layers of rock, a fact to which we have often alluded. These layers can pull apart to create a thinner crust in those parts of the globe that are in the stretch zone, thus causing those regions to drop in elevation, to sag.

      Where the various rock layers find they meet a barrier, but some of the rock layers (perhaps the surface layers) have more resistance than the deeper layers, sliding of these layers can occur. This is a deep adjustment within the plate, which like a stack of papers finds it is still just as thick, though parts of the stack have shifted to this or that side. This is occurring in California. The top layers of the Pacific Plate pushing under the West Coast scrape off and rumple, creating the coastal mountains while the deeper layers proceed to push under all the way to the Continental Divide. This process will continue to occur during the pole shift, and thus there will be rumpling along the coastal mountains from San Diego to Monterey, though this new rumpling will occur at a deep level and not likely toss those on the surface about. There will be an elevation increase of perhaps 57 feet for this region.
      For northern California there is a similar rise in elevation but higher, perhaps to 92 feet. The San Francisco Bay area will notice this, as the rivers emptying into the Bay will become a waterfall at their joint outlet. However, as the oceans rise 675 feet within two years after the shift, this too will be covered in water. This rise in elevation does not continue beyond northern California, as the Juan de Fuca Plate absorbs any pressure from the push of the Pacific Plate. Thus the elevation rise for Oregon and Washington is not expected to be more than 25-30 feet. We have stated that Vancouver Island will get an increase of 100 feet and travel 100 miles further north from the Canadian coastline due to the fracturing of the Juan de Fuca and N American plates at this point. The tiny Explorer Plate is an indication of this. The San Andreas slip-slide will drag Vancouver Island along, and rumple this up to 100 feet above where it is today.

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    56. Under-Cover says:

      A Colorado disaster scenario coming to a neighborhood near you! Get prepared. And stay prepared! Shelter in as much as possible so you may foresake displacement.

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    57. Leslie Anne says:

      To Mac Slavo and The Lone Ranger: I like the links/info you are providing. I’m not one to instantly believe everything I read, but you both certainly provide food for thought and the info is an interesting read. Even though your viewpoints appear to be different in some regards, I do appreciate your passion on this topic. Thank you for sharing :)

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    58. Ted Kennedy says:

      We are so fucked!

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        AMEN!

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      • yental says:

        Finally, some accurate politician “speak”. Still waiting for the day when Obama stands at the “liars podium” and simply repeats: “My fellow Americans, due to my unquestionable treason and that of this congress…WE ARE SO FUCKED!” (The ZIONIST CHURCH OF SATAN MADE ME DO IT. RIP FLIP WILSON)

        UNFORTUNATELY, that pronouncement will probably follow the coming “pseudo flag”. Too little too late, yes. Nice to hear before the final battle, yes. Everything in proper perspective…had the “semi-black messiah” been exposed and deposed from the beginning, who knows at what point on the “timeline” WE would now occupy.

        WE WILL NEVER KNOW. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        C’mon Ted K., you made it up to the surface when the car when over the railing. It was meant to be!

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    59. Okie rebel says:

      Hey Lone Ranger, I gave you a thumbs up. I think you are sincere and believe what you posted. I have been labeled a nut case back in the eighties when I attended the world wide church of god under Herbert Armstrong. It was the first time a church was able to answer all my questions I still believe the majority of what they taught back then. I still believe the sabbath is on Saturday and don’t eat unclean food etc. We Christians hold onto what we believe no matter how much people make fun of us or ridicule us. I am still struggling with my role In these end days. I have prayed about it. I have tried to go back to my church, called united church of god at this time however I just don’t fit In. They are some of the best people I ever associated with. I have been sick now for three weeks. I question whether that is my father in heaven telling me to chill out because he will watch out for me when the time comes. All I know for sure, if shtf today I could not care for myself or family due to being sick. I haven’t talked to anyone bout this. It feels good just to get it off my chest. God bless. Keep the faith

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    60. mike prince says:

      Are 90% of the population living in fantasy land. Maybe not. A parcel service that delivers to me was asking some evasive questions. Finally I had to ask whats the ? It seams he ID’s shipping address and asks me prepper questions. New at this? Hmmm. Scary. Anyone else had this happen top them. The shipper is probably known to everyone on this blog.

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      • Leslie Anne says:

        When I placed a 800+ pound grain-n-provision order, the FedEx delivery guy asked me if I was Apostolic Christian and why I ordered all that stuff. (It was plain to see most of the order as each bucket was marked, stacked on a pallet, and clear shrink wrapped). I asked why he was questioning my order and he told me, “You look Apostolic” and then asked again why I ordered the stuff. Not expecting this sort of questioning, I just said I do a lot of baking and don’t like to run out. The whole thing made me feel uncomfortable.

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        • Leslie Anne says:

          Now that you brought this up, mike prince, I am curious to see if others have had questioning, as well. I haven’t placed a large order since. I’d really like to order a couple 320 gallon reservoirs to supplement my 55-gallon drums, but can only imagine the questions that might stir up.

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          • BackSpace says:

            Leslie Anne,

            When I get large orders the boxes and buckets go from the semi directly into the back of my pick-up with topper. If there is any question I tell them that its basic cooking staples for area church kitchens. The large water storage containers are also for the church. I haven’t had the same driver yet. they don’t even bat an eye…

            BS

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            • old guy says:

              If you had to bug out how much of those large orders could you take with you? If you had to leave on foot how much could you carry on your person? If you has to leave your home in the winter how could you stay dry & warm?

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