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    Analyst: “Millions Upon Millions of People Are Going to Die on a World-Wide Scale When the Debt Bubble Bursts”

    Mac Slavo
    May 13th, 2015
    SHTFplan.com
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    global-crisis-th global-crisis

    It can be difficult to understand the repercussions that would follow a collapse of the global economy, stocks and debt markets. While we know a serious financial event is coming, determining how it will impact our lives and preparing an appropriate strategic plan to mitigate the fallout can be a confusing and stressful undertaking.

    The questions being asked by concerned Americans are plenty, but the answers are not so easy to come by. Should I keep money in my retirement accounts? What publicly traded companies are recession-proof? Will gold and silver really be of value if the whole system comes crashing down? Should I have some cash? How much food should I stockpile if the regular flow of commerce is affected? Will there be riots in my city?

    In the following interview with X22 Report Spotlight, well known analyst and contrarian thinker Greg Mannarino of Traders Choice succinctly explains the challenges we face as individuals and as a nation. He doesn’t mince words and goes straight to the heart of the problem: out of control debt.

    As Mannarino explains it, we are facing an event so serious that it will directly impact just about every person on earth. But before we can prepare for it, we need to understand what it is that’s going to happen and what a worst-case scenario may look like:

    The central banks… by us adopting a debt-based economic model, which demands that cash be borrowed from the future in greater and greater amounts to sustain what we have here, have created an alternative universe which would not exist. If we did not have access to all of these funds that we’re borrowing from the future and inflating this debt we would not have the lifestyle that we have now.

    It’s created a population boom… a population boom has risen in tandem with the debt. It’s incredible.

    So, when the debt bubble bursts we’re going to get a correction in population. It’s a mathematical certainty.

    Millions upon millions of people are going to die on a world-wide scale when the debt bubble bursts. And I’m saying when not if…

    When resources become more and more scarce we’re going to see countries at war with each other. People will be scrambling… in a worst case scenario… doing everything that they can to survive… to provide for their family and for themselves.

    There’s no way out of it.

    They understand where this is going… Let’s put this into perspective… The world’s central banks, by going negative [interest rates] they’ve turned the entire financial system upside down. That’s how desperate they’ve become. They’re charging people to put cash into these institutions…

    It can’t work. It’s not how it’s designed to work.

    So, that should tell us all how close we must be to this moment.

    As Mannarino notes, it should be obvious that we are on the very cusp of an implosion of the debt-based system upon which our entire societal structures are built. When that system falls, so too will life as we have come to know it.

    Hoping Mannarino is wrong, but assuming he’s right with his assessment, we are looking at an event that may well lead to a bursting of the population bubble, something the late Michael Ruppert warned about a half-decade ago:

    There are only two great bubbles on this planet left to go. The Chinese bubble and the human population bubble. And after the Chinese bubble goes the human population bubble goes.

    Last week we highlighted a report suggesting that by 2025 the population of the United States could be reduced by up to 78% as a result of a global crisis such as what Mannarino describes.

    The expansion of commerce, food, energy, housing, and just about everything else we’ve seen over the last fifty years has been the result of credit, and thus debt, expansion. Once credit markets seize up and no more debt can be thrown onto the backs of a populace who is broke and unable to repay their existing loans, the system seizes up.

    To get a small-scale view of what an event like that may look like we need only look to Greece in recent years. When credit markets froze and their government, local businesses and population could no longer get loans and commerce essentially came to a standstill. Not only were jobs hard to come by, but access to medicine disappeared, people were fighting for food,  and the power to the entire country was almost shot off.

    In Greece we saw what happens to a thriving nation once the money stops flowing. It wasn’t pretty. Luckily, because it was just one country within the European Union, the-powers-that-be were able oversee the collapse much like a controlled demolition of a building.

    But what happens when the same effect goes global, as Mannarino says it likely will?

    Who will come to the rescue?

    In the immediate aftermath, the simple answer is “no one.” The average person will be left to fend for themselves.

    Assuming the worst case scenario comes to pass and the multi-trillion dollar global debt markets collapse, the immediate aftermath will indeed be met with panic. That will quickly turn to anger as people realize that no help is coming. Subsequently, as  Mannarino recently noted, the world will become Baltimore.

    So how do we prepare for such an outcome?

    • First and foremost start acquiring essential resources now – that means food and medicine.
    • Have a way to source clean water and energy, because in the middle of a crisis utility infrastructure workers will, just like you, stay home to protect their families.
    • And on that note, have a way to defend yourself. When everywhere becomes Baltimore, emergency response from law enforcement will be virtually non-existent.

    In her book The Prepper’s Blueprint, Tess Pennington outlines a long-term strategic preparedness plan designed to cover multiple layers of preparedness, from immediate emergencies lasting two to eight weeks, to longer-term sustainability for an extended crisis of one year or more.

    Failure to plan accordingly will mean that you and your family will be directly exposed to the rioting, looting and violence as the system comes unhinged.

    When a massive, unplanned disaster occurs, societal breakdowns, gang driven crime and chaos are all a part of what happens when a society is turned upside down. It is actually the people and not the disaster that create societal breakdowns. Unfortunately, some who participate in the breakdown of society feel their desperation is a justified reason and opportunity to steal. While some participate out of desperation to get what they need for their family.

    However, the running theme in these scenarios is that  desperation has no boundaries. This is the human condition and a harsh reality. When a person is in a desperate situation, they will stop at nothing to get what they need to survive.  This is the entire point of preparing for disasters.

    A person cannot rely solely on their country to rescue them. There has to be some sort of self sufficiency if a person wants a better chance at survival.

    Hoping for the best will only get you so far. Planning for the worst may save your life.

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    1. Problem, Reaction, Solution. They have caused the problem and will tank the economy completely.
      Reaction: “how could we have seen this coming”?
      Solution: cashless society with a new and improved fiat system totally controlled by the banking institutions ushering in the mark of the beast. It is plain as the nose on your face people.

      • Anonymous says:

        According to experts– people who have researched the topic– whenever a disaster occurs, like Katrina, for example, at first people tend to pull together and help one another.

        However, after a short time, when they realize that help is not coming, when their needs are not met, then gangs form– young teen males will get together in gangs and start raping and stealing. This has happened over and over again, they say… its a pattern that always occurs.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

          Silver jumped as high as $17.30 today. I’m trying to buy more if it dips below $16. Pay attention. See live charts at kitco.

          • smokey says:

            I made a post last month about buying silver, someone responded that he was waiting for it to go below $10 an ounce, he somehow knew that was going to happen.

            Wonder if he’s still waiting on the drop or if he figured out that cost averaging is the way to iron out the swings.

        • smooze says:

          Which is why preppers and the like will have a few days head start before the sheeple turn on each other.

        • Felix Talbot says:

          That did not happen in Japan. Countries with homogenous populations endure better. Diversity is no friend in time of crisis. Maybe some college kids will overcome all the ‘trigger issues’ they are beset with in an uncaring world and come up with a solution. Or not…

          • TEST says:

            Half the college kids are out at “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” mindless lemming socialist chant in, having drunk the KoolAide. Those types will just make it worse.

        • Arizona says:

          Anonymous,who do you work for the government?,KATRINA in new orleans was a bloodbath,but not by anyone but POLICE GANGS AND MILITARY,redlist were killed,bluelist were killed,and their women and female children were RAPED to DEATH or just murdered,and the pregnant ones had their unborn babies CUT OUT OF THEM with a military knife and the babies were thrown againist the wall to die,along with mom,MORE then 5,000 dead VETERANS came into the county morgue,WHO HAD BEEN SHOT in the head at close range,and ITS ALL ABOUT TO HAPPEN AGAIN,DO NOT THROW DOWN YOUR WEAPONS,OPEN FIRE……….

      • KY Mom says:

        Banking institutions and a cashless society…

        How to end boom and bust: make cash illegal

        “Comment: Forcing everyone to spend only by electronic means from an account held at a government-run bank would give the authorities far better tools to deal with recessions and economic booms, writes Jim Leaviss.”

        With every purchase made on a debit or credit card, the bank gains a certain percentage of money.

        -Drudge Report

        • TEST says:

          666 anyone?

          Oh wait… the reason we are in this problem to begin with is because no one has any idea of the significance of this…

          • 7756 says:

            People don’t believe in that stuff, do they? The Devil/Satan? Most don’t act like they do. Anything goes, and everything is good to go. The really smart people (the politician’s) don’t believe in that reality. They believe in themselves. and why? What have they fixed? Made even more palatable? They take and spend our money for their benefit and do nothing for the “people” because “we” don’t matter except to to fill the coffers for ’em. They’re soooo smart that with all of the study they’ve done of everyone else’s contributions to the body of worldly knowledge, they can exploit every other body cause they run t everything and have the time to parse out exactly how to keep the masses at each other and not at them. Works pretty good. But assistance from the spirit world? Common’. But don’t forget Adolf. He and his cronies believed in DEVLIN’. And folks still do.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

        Meanwhile the unprepared, out of shape fat asses will wake up when the electric is cut off., no dancing with the stars. Its 77 days I moved off the grid. I lost about 10 lbs and my physical shape is great. Some days working out here I may burn 3000 + calories. If you bug out you will nees a good mont or 2 of MRE’s. You will have no time to cook or set up a cook place. And Get a good tea kettle and add water to many instant meals and coffee. I run an inverter to run power tools ans 2 car batteries wirh jumper cables. Have not dipped into my 30 gal of gas hidded.. that is for emergencies. Get propane tanks ro run a stove. Forget making fire as your main heat source. You will die.

        • Anonymous says:

          WWTI. You say “forget making fire as your main heat source. You will die”

          Can you be a little more specific please.

        • rural says:

          Seriously? I went 5 years with a wood stove as my only heat source.Didn’t die.

        • 77 days? Not bad! You’ll find the off-grid life rewarding as I have. I’ve been off-grid for a collective 15 years or so. Currently I’m working on getting an old military 2.5 ton box truck to remodel into motor home of sorts to live in, giving me an awesome all-heck-broke-loose-I’m-outta-here option. I’ve used my car to charge my laptop and I have several solar battery chargers and fist fulls of NIMH rechargeable batteries. You’ll find a ton of ways to do things and in time you’ll refine how you do things. You’ll find you use so much less. Like water, for example. You use a lot less water when you have to carry it in in a bucket. Look into kerosene stoves, kero lasts for years without treatment. Good luck to you and God bless!

        • What about those people who cannot really make it? Why did anyone let all of those lives come into the world without considering what will happen to them?

          The Answer: Biology is evil, life itself is evil and only causes pain. Survival is a delusion of the starving that he is better off than the dead. The dead doesn’t starve; the survivor does.

      • Son of Liberty says:

        Maybe not that plain to everyone, but certainly plain enough for those who are versed in Scripture can see in plainly.

        Blessings,

        Son of Liberty

      • I go cross-eyed trying to see the nose on my face.

      • Anonymous says:

        #.02 you’re totally illogical,
        World governments CAUSED the problem by manipulation of their fiat currencies, creating huge resource misallocations and malinfestments into Welfare and Warfare,
        AND YOU believe going “cashless” is the solution?
        You’re a total loon!

        Cashless will simply give the Banksters absolute power and control of the EXTERMINATION of the populations….
        So what Central Bank do YOU work for?… Adolf

    2. We don’t even need a debt bubble to burst…millions are already dying. If you are “truly” alive right now, you should feel fortunate.

    3. Angry Old White Guy says:

      The herd has needed culling for a long time.

      • AOWG where do you stand in the herd? By the sounds of it, you are old which means that the predators are going to cull you, the sick, and crippled. Better be careful of what you wish for.

        • Angry Old White Guy says:

          Actually, I’m only 57yo and the worst the economy gets the more secure my job is.

          • ONLY 57. lol That is a good one. When money dies are you still going to work in that “secure” job. For what? The company going to pay you in beans, bandaids and bullets? You going to be able to run a chicken through the card reader for gasoline? Maybe you don’t understand the situation we are discussing here.

            • Angry Old White Guy says:

              My ‘Secure’ Job.

              When I stop posting here, that’s when you know it’s time to go underground.

              All those EBT cards and Welfare benefits people bitch about, I’m the one that maintains the computer software that determines who gets what and how much. You see, I’m a senior level computer consultant under contract to the Department of Health and Human Services(Medicaid) for the past 10 years.

              As long as the lights stay on, I’ll be here handing out the funny money.

              “I work, so other don’t have to”

              • when you stop posting here because of the scenario you describe, we all stop posting here. 50 million on ebt living week to week with NO backup supplies.. h o l y shit what a mess that is going to be when ebt dies. Not if…
                w h e n.

              • slingshot says:

                AOWG.

                Priceless!

                Would you like some Grey Poupon with your EBT card. Hahahahaha!

                Any indications before the system would go down besides not posting here.

              • Mike in VA says:

                Angry Old White Guy

                I understand while you are angry and why you say the herd needs culling now. Your job sounds horrible to me because of those you have to deal with.
                Regarding the lights staying on. You are at my mercy lol. Just a joke. That is my industry. I am a supervisor at two power stations. I realized years ago that when this goes down the power is going to go out. The only way to prevent the power going out is for the government to force us to stay at work. There are two many power stations to do that in my opinion to control them all while having to control all the other violence taking place. When this happens I have no choice but to protect my family. The pay they would try to give out would be worthless paper at that point too.
                Just something for all to think about. The power will go out and then all other systems stop. No way for water to be supplied, gas, groceries, or medicine. It would be 1800’s living.
                Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

                • 41MagMan says:

                  “Just something for all to think about. The power will go out and then all other systems stop. No way for water to be supplied, gas, groceries, or medicine. It would be 1800’s living.”

                  Agreed. No sewage pumped means a huge surge in disease and people dying, so lots of dead bodies and few to bury them. Without fuel, dozers and backhoes could not be used to automate things. No traffic control. No refrigeration for food or meds that require it not to mention no heating or AC for hospitals, nursing homes, etc. Lots of people live in places that will be unbearable without AC… Phoenix, Tucson, Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami, etc. In short, it’s gonna me one helluva mess. Got Jesus?

                  • Mike in VA says:

                    Sgt

                    I was told I could not pray if asked by my men. Never would I have ever thought I would hear that. I am a free man. A united states citizen. I will never honor that request. I owe everything I have or will ever have to almighty God.

                  • Ohevi says:

                    Hust wondering how they are going to impliment the mark of the beast without electricity…..

                  • 7756 says:

                    Sounds like Bible based projections (prophecies). EMP does us all IN!!! That will start the scenario you described above. It’s good to be informative and all, but I really doubt if people are hearing you. That’s why there will be chaos. EVERYWHERE!!!!

                • 3% R says:

                  Mike, I used to work at a nuclear power plant in NJ years ago, pre-9/11. During the short time I was there I saw an incredible amount of security measures put in. Almost like they knew something was coming. See anything like that where you are?

              • Mountain Trekker says:

                Want to here a joke that really ain’t funny! A couple of days ago I was in the process of refinancing my home mortgage and the bank called and asked how I could gaurantee that my pension would still be good for atleast 3 years. And I said are you kidding me, I get railroad retirement which is suppose to be solvent, but my check comes from the Government just like Social Security and the Government is atleast 18 Trillion in debt, so how in the heck am I suppose to know if my pension will be good for 3 years. Trekker Out.

                • Glenn Shumway says:

                  If the banksters are questioning the viability of a US Government pension, why should you not do so? Cash it in if you can, while you can.

                  • smokey says:

                    You can’t cash in a Gov’t pension, they pay you each month you are alive, that’s all. Die on the 31st, you don’t get a check. Die on the 1st, you get paid for the last month.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

                  Stock up on silver colloid. I put it on all insect bites and scratches, it kills the bacteria. Get an infection and you die quick like in a week. I alao have fish penicillin as a back up.

                  • TEST says:

                    Google Dr. Joe Alton, MD, aka Dr. Bones of doomandbloom.com (I think that is the correct URL). He has a lot of all types of medical preparedness, including what do do with fish antibiotics. Also google Patriot Nurse, another good one.

                  • 41MagMan says:

                    “Get an infection and you die quick like in a week”

                    Not necessarily. I’ve had infections before and got sick but was nowhere near to dying.

                    Good advice on colloidal silver, though. Best bet is to have the tools necessary for making your own… rechargeable 9V batteries, silver rods or .999+ coins, a couple of wires with alligator clips, a couple of small jars, and a small solar battery charger will do the trick. Good demos on You Tube on how to set it up.

                    Hydrogen peroxide is also a very good germ killer for cuts, scratches, and scrapes.

                  • sixpack says:

                    TEST, it’s doomandbloom dot NET

                  • what about ivermectin? it’s sold at farm supply stores by the gallon ($60). used in 3rd world countries for parasites and such. get a supply of diabetic needles to administer.

                • HoodedHeretic says says:

                  What, wait. RR retirement was and is suppose 2B separate from the gumint. U may have worked for Amtrak.

                • 41MagMan says:

                  Well, that should have reassured them. :-/

                • Mike in VA says:

                  That is funny but it isn’t either. Only in America. Wow

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

                When TP2B crash the grid. Your jobs and income will also grind to a halt. So you live paycheck to paycheck? You are screwed.

                • Mike in VA says:

                  wwti

                  It really will not matter then. Dollars will be useless. What will matter is that you have something to barter with. There will be nothing of value left in grocery stores or pharmacys at that time. You will have to have things that people want to trade for.

              • DaisyD says:

                “””“I work, so other don’t have to””””
                Or more like “we are kept unemployed so your job security is insured” asshole! What a coward and harlot!

                Last time I dealt with your foul criminal colleagues I gave them the humiliation of life time!!! As they stole about 2/3’s of the monthly $221.00 I got at the time. And that by the way, for “a job-ready person who is looking for work FULL TIME”, was supposed to pay for “rent” (of apparently a street garbage can (LMAO)) and bus pass that cost 85$/month at time, and the REST of what not!!!! They falsified a form and wrote on it a word that I did not EVEN know the meaning to, to answer a question I was not aware of when I applied as it was not included on the form I filled out, for them to justify the cowardly theft. A word they said I wrote that I could not have as I had to look it up to find out what it meaaaan after I left their dumpster LOL.!!!!How can I write a word I didn’t know existed to begin with?!?! right? I gathered a page of legal resources. They kept the money away from me for over 3 weeks. When I went to confront them, I took my digital recorder and asked to see the case worker, who first would not come out for the coward that she is. They tried to play me for a while, I pulled out the recorder and told them I am going to court if their crap continues, the minute they saw the recorder they all cleared the room like the cockroaches that they are. She finally was forced to come out, as I was speaking to her, CALMLY as I was frankly happy to see her, this FAT sheriff’s depute came out, angled himself to me, just sat there and proceeded to give me this very ugly stare. While I was talking to the first moron,couple times I looked in his direction and the bitch was staring at me like I am a serial child molester. My recorder was on as I was speaking to the case worker. I asked her what is he doing there. She gave me this crap type of answer. I warned her that he needs to get the fuck out or I am still going to court as I will not be intimidated! And the minute I said that the coward RUN out of the room!!!LOL. Anyway, to make the story a short one, I walk to the lobby after we were done talking, I slide my card and the missing amount has been transferred right then and there!! Yep, that’s how cheap you cowards are. I don’t have any kids. Very responsible person, and the list goes on. A self supporting adult and you seem to think that 221.00 was too much for a full time job seeker. Shame on you foul cowards.

                and here you are, daring to brag about “working so other won’t have to” you despicable pig!!!

                A whore who does nothing but lay down in back alleys with pimps and shoots bastards like there is no tomorrow, who has no intent of EVER getting off her fat ass and go look for job, But lazy bastards?!?! she knows how to manufacture, gets all the money, fs’s and benefiting programs she does not need. But somebody like me? gets chicken shit, in the land of the free and the home of the brave. THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

                Shame on you pigs!!!SHAME ON YOU!

                PS: right not I just beg. So be proud of the work of your stench paws.

              • PO'd Patriot says:

                AWOG, don’t worry they ain’t gonna want us. We’re too tough to chew on. (57 in a couple of months).

              • TEST says:

                I do not mean to be harsh, but… really?? I would be embarrassed to be contributing to vile world of socialism, no matter how much they paid me. With your skills, why aren’t you doing IT work elsewhere? I am truly sorry to be harsh, but there were a lot of Nazis who also had “good, secure jobs” in the system too. There are certain things – abortion doctor, “Yes we can” chant in leader, Michelle-Marie Antoinette Obama vacation planner, ad nauseam, that no one should be doing.

                You generally write good stuff, but I am very disappointed to read that you are just another link in the parasitic chain. And 02 is right. You sound like one of those leeching off the system, with great plans to get out of the Dodge that you, yourself, helped create. But fate and justice has a way of hoisting people like you on your own petard. You have IT skills. Do something productive. Don’t be like those “good German” Nazis who were “Just doing their job.”

                • ENFP says:

                  I think AOG is doing something productive. Giving out benefits delays the crash giving us more time to prepare. Now, if he is in a position to falsify vaccination records for those who refuse mandatory vaccinations, he will really be useful. How about Angry?

                • Patti says:

                  AOG isn’t hurting anyone and isn’t expecting anyone to pay his way. Wish I could say that about all of you.
                  He didn’t create the system and he isn’t sitting home “collecting a check” because he doesn’t approve of the character of his customers. He does an honest job for an honest day’s pay. His customers should do better for themselves, but that is no reason not to take a good job with benefits.
                  Comparing him to a Nazi is a little nutty, don’t you think?

            • durangokidd says:

              I understand why people cling to their bodies in the reality we populate. Survival is a basic instinct and death, to most and to me, is something to be avoided.

              But I also understand, that the reality IS that we are Spiritual Beings encased in flesh for the period of time that we are here.

              Then we take the lessons learned and move on, through the transition of death to other spheres. We were born to live and die. Make your life meaningful, if only to your family, friends, and neighbors.

              I have been out of the body. WE are Spiritual Beings first, designed to experience life in this dimension for a relatively short time. When death finally comes for you, embrace it.

              There are things worse than death. :-)

              • Jeremiah 1:5

                “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
                My thinking is if HE knows Jeremiah in spirit form, then HE must know us all.

                • Mike in VA says:

                  I am sure he does. The good book says we are created in his image. That does not mean, at least to me, that my body is his image. It means that my soul is in his image. The soul is what gives us life. It is light and love. It is immortal. We are immortals if you look at it like that. Do we want to spend eternity in heaven or in the lake of fire. That is the question.

                  • What is the difference between spirit and soul? Here is a cut and paste.. do you agree? I have always thought we are spirit begins with a soul.. what say you?

                    For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. – Hebrews 4:12

                    May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. – 1 Thessalonians 5:23

                    A human being is made up of these 3 basic parts.

                    1. The Physical Body.
                    2. The Soul (Mind)
                    3. The Spirit [spiritual body]

                  • Mountain Trekker says:

                    All living creatures have a soul, but only man that was created in Gods image have a spirit. And only those that except Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior have the Holy Spirit. And you recieve the Holy Spirit at the moment of Salvation. And Salvation comes through Christ alone. Trekker Out. Ask And Ye Shall Recieve!

                  • durangokidd says:

                    .02: From my experience, I would say that yes, we have a physical body which is self evident.

                    Then we have a spirit, which is our individual consciousness (personality, intelligence, and the sum of our experience, etc) which naturally manifests as an etheric body in the spiritual realm.

                    The essence of which can be experienced by itself, in the physical, through that spiritual body (consciousness), in ways not unlike how we experience our physical five senses.

                    Then we have the soul, which is the Spirit of Life (Prana) from God, The Infinite Intelligence WHO created all things, visible and invisible; that births our consciousness, which then forms and animates the spiritual body in the womb, as it coalesces physical matter around our consciousness and growing self awareness toward identity.

                    The difference between us being that which you call soul (“mind”), I call the animating Spirit of Life from God (prana); with His Mind manifesting Creation by His Thought. This is the spark of divinity within each of us that makes us co-creators with Him, yet Agents of Free Will, and gives us life.

                    Life is an animating force. This animating force is soul.

                    Mind is consciousness: a collection of perceptions, emotions, memories and experiences analyzed and assimilated by intelligence for awareness, growth, and identity.

                    This is my understanding based upon my personal experiences in prayer, meditation, and experience on these subjects, in and through the Spirit.

                    Others may disagree. :-)

                  • Mountain Trekker says:

                    REVELATION 16-3 “And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and every living soul died in the sea. Trekker Out.

                  • mostevenings says:

                    Your spirit and body joined together is the soul. When separated you just have a spirit body. The rest goes back to the earth. Matter can’t be totally be destroyed, it only takes on another form, i.e., water to steam.

                • .02, this is the passage I was reading when God called me into the ministry (all of chapter one). My excuse wasn’t that I was running from the call it was that I always considered myself a child in terms of knowing scripture and the Lord (see Paul’s comments to the Corinthian church in 1COrinthians) and wanted confirmation of the call before I embarked on ministry because scripture teaches us no man takes this honor unto himself lest he be called of God Hebrews 5:4. To answer your question as to the parts of man (Body, Soul and Spirit)I say yes. Man has a body to which he interacts with others and God’s creation, his soul is the seat of his emotions, thoughts, desires and his spirit is the breath of God that continues throughout mankind from Adam until now. It is the spirit that was slain by sin and had to be revived by the Holy Spirit in order to become aware of his/her sin and ask for forgiveness. That happens because His Spirit (the Holy Spirit is a quickening spirit meaning it quickens (makes alive)our spirit because we are dead in our trespasses and sin prior to being born again.

                  • FrankMLane says:

                    Now you made me go and post….

                    Genesis 2:7
                    And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

                    Body (form) + breath = living soul

                    Immortal Human Soul? Nope.. Only God is immortal:

                    1 Timothy 6:15-17King James Version (KJV)

                    15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

                    16 WHO ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;

                    Plenty more where that came from. Normally don’t post much but this idea that our souls are naturally immortal is not biblical. Only God is immortal. He can grant us immortality but ‘The soul that sins shall die’.

                    Carry on.

                • TEST says:

                  Nice post. Thank you

              • Earth Angel says:

                durangokidd, you rock!

              • Lucy says:

                Yes – death is not something to fear. It is something to anticiapte as a release from this prison.

          • Enemy of the State says:

            Are they Hiring?

          • Bud Wood says:

            Sounds as if you’re an undertaker. The worse the economy gets could indeed result in more business for a grave digger. At that point, you’d probably need to be paid by government IOUs.

      • TEST says:

        And who controls the controllers in your world? Will YOU choose? What about the truly innocent, like the mentally retarded? And if you send them off a cliff, how do you differ from the Nazis, who called those people “life unworthy of life” and had them killed? Personally, IF a serious SHTF disaster occurs, I will be using some of my preps to help the mentally retarded, etc. I know, I hear you now: “A lot of good that will do.”

        In fact, a world where the weak (I am NOT referring to those who are weak due to their own decadence) are not honoured is not a world that is worth saving, and indeed is the VERY CAUSE of what has brought us to this point in the first place.

        • 41MagMan says:

          Test… helping those who cannot help themselves is the spiritual thing to do. This is expected of us. I will be sharing some of what I have with local children whose parents were not awake or aware of the coming SHTF, so did not take appropriate steps to save their own kids. I have little sympathy for the parents but the kids need and deserve some help. Doing this will make God smile. :-)

          • BigB says:

            MY MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOU SHTF Plan members:

            Oh my God! All of you who are quoting scripture need to get a grip on reality. God helps those who help themselves, it is that simple. We are not headed for a biblical Armageddon. We are far from that. We may be sliding towards that in some far off time, but not now.

            Most of you who have been on this great site know that I post now and again and for years posted on a regular basis. Not so much anymore, why? Because I got it. A major breakdown in society is coming. Actually it has already started it is that most of you and the world do not see it.

            That is all you or anybody else needs to know. It has begun. If you have not prepped or have a good start on it then when the final collapse is here you will die. Simple enough? Meanwhile I just keep rotating my prep’s and have continued with my life with my family and friends like any other “normal” person.

            But, and this is the crux of my point, Scripture quoting and biblical references will not protect you. Payer and a belief that Jesus Christ is your savior might help but having beans, band aids and bullets will get you farther in a SHTF situation.

            So prep my friends like there is no tomorrow. Our God wants you to do so to stay safe. But at the same time he also wants you to enjoy life and all the joys he has provided you here on earth.

            BigB

    4. I believe humans will adapt. We always have. Many who do not have a desire to adapt will perish however. Put down the XBOX and learn how to grow something, build something etc.

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        “A.P.”
        I have to agree with you on this. We will adapt to what is coming. The old world will be gone and the new world will start. Let us hope and pray that we do it RIGHT this time.
        Sgt.

        • buttcrackofdoom says:

          something i’ve been wondering about lately. we know we will be “useful” if we have skills like doctor, dentist, blacksmith, and so on. i just wonder how long it will take for “people” to realize, when they KILL for a person’s food stores, they may be killing someone who could have saved THEM, if not for being dead. how long you guys suppose it will take before people wake up and realize they can’t just kill indiscriminately? i think this deserves some time spent on it. who will we rely on when we’ve killed all the doctors and water treatment plant operators, power plant workers?? i often wonder if we are back in the 19th century living, what GOOD would it do to have people that worked in computers, for example, if we have ZERO ability to make them anymore….how long will it take to get to where we can refine gasoline again, when we got NO transportation…no POWER, no clean water, no WORKER base to pick from…..YIKES!!!, i’m going to take a bath with my TOASTER!….but first, i’m gonna party like it’s 1940!

          • Anonymous says:

            from Dmitry Orluv article (great article about us fighting back!!):

            But bad things happen to militaries when they are ordered to shoot at their own people. It is one thing to shoot at “towel-heads” in a far-away land; it is quite another to be ordered shoot at somebody who could be your own brother down the street from where you grew up. Such orders result in fragging (shooting your own officers), in refusal to follow orders, and in attempts to stand up for the other side.

            And that’s where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison. For instance, ISIS, or the Islamic Caliphate, was masterminded by people who had previously worked for Saddam Hussein, while they were imprisoned by the Americans. They took this opportunity to work out an efficient organizational structure and, upon release, found each other and got down to work. Having a third of young American blacks locked up gives them all the opportunity they need to organize an effective insurgency.

            • Anonymous says:

              That’s why units used against a countries own citizens are usually drawn from a different part of the country, particularly if it can be of a predominately different ethnic makeup as well.

              This is how they Chinese got their troops to open fire on the protestors at Tienanmen Square. Their troops didn’t feel any particular attachment to the protestors and weren’t in fear of retaliation against their families back home.

              Be interesting to see if that gets involved here, it would present a serious logistical problem at best and probably be impossible.

              • TEST says:

                This doesn’t make sense. Are you saying a.) the the military is divided into ethnic or regional units???? And even if so, with all the mobility in society, are you saying someone from Ohio is going to see someone from Colorado as entirely “other??”

                I know Dave Hodges talks about Russians, etc. in the country. I always review Hodges, but I have to admit, I don’t think I believe him, at least in toto.

                I also think of the fall of the Iron Curtain, one significant event where the troops refused to fire on peaceful protesters in Leipzig. How many troops would refuse to leave the barracks in a SHTF/martial law situation? We don’t know…. but I’ll bet the commanders don’t know, either. I just have a nephew who got out of the Marines, and I KNOW he would not.

                • Archivist says:

                  If you go to a base in NC, you will find few, if any, personnel who were born in NC. NC natives who join the military get shipped across the country. That’s the way it’s been for many years.

                • Anonymous says:

                  Not entirely, I pointed out it would be difficult here.

                  But let me ask some things to give you something to consider:

                  How many of those Jade Helm thugs are going to be from the local town they are invading? How many are professional military that are separate from the civilian population and how many are draftees that are just passing through to make up the bulk of the military manpower that maintain all their civilian values?

                  How are those highly sought out illegal aliens that are being recruited are coming from a local community where they are fully integrated with the people there and how are they treated in relation to the other Americans enlisted in those forces?

                  And lastly, how many of the new all (or mostly) homosexual army that is being formed will carry the same traditional values of the community they are invading?

                  This is not the Army from the VietNam era where they were mostly draftees who held allegiance to those communities they would be (and actually almost were at one point) asked to invade and conquer, this is a professional standing army that our founders warned against.

                  Professional soldiers do what they are ordered to do -they’re just officially organized and trained mercenaries- they are not a part of the community. If their orders are to come out and take you into custody and kill you if you don’t comply without question that is what they will do: The same here as it is in Iraq or in Afghanistan.

                • 3% R says:

                  I read an article a while back and it talked about the litmus test being given to the average enlisted man “Would you fire on Americans if ordered to do so”. The story went that those who said they would were then assigned to another unit, presumably filled with others of like thinking. That way they have their home grown units they know they can trust to blindly follow all orders. I don’t remember where I read that tho.

              • ENFP says:

                Rather than try relying on people from another part of the country, they are going to rely on Russian mercenaries to take patriots to FEMA camps. I believe they have been promised the property of those they kill or imprison.

          • True reality says:

            That is the true question.
            I believe that we as a people will kill each other, until we get tired of killing each other.
            I believe for this problem to work itself out, it will take mankind almost back to Adam and Eve before we realize what we are truly doing to each other.
            Then love will kick in and that will be the thousand years of peace.

          • Braveheart says:

            BCOD, I couldn’t have said it any better. We all need to stop and think very carefully and thoroughly before we do anything rash. Without question the other side will kill indiscriminately; they just won’t care who they’re killing. Braveheart won’t end up in the same sewer with the other side. BCOD, damn good post.

            • buttcrackofdoom says:

              thanks braveheart…and thanks for YOUR contributions to making this site such a treasure! BTW, i was at the gun show the other day and looked around and said “daaaamnnn, so THESE are the people i’m going to go up against when it all comes undone”….daaaamn.

          • TEST says:

            Good points. But we will start – wherever that baseline is – from a higher level of knowledge than our forebears did. The downside is that some resources – particularly oil – won’t be gotten as easily as the Spindletop gusher was back almost 100 years ago now…

          • 41MagMan says:

            “how long will it take to get to where we can refine gasoline again”

            Bio-diesel will be an easier path because it can be made from various nut and seed oils that are not all that difficult to grow, extract, and dehydrate.

            As to those who think that they can kill, loot, and pillage their way to survival, they will learn that this not the case when they are either shot or hanged for their crimes.

      • Adapt to a 90% death rate from disease predicted by more that a handful of annalists if/when the power goes out and stays out. After a week of nation wide power down, it will stay down because the people able to fix it will be either dead, holed up in protection mode or out looting because they are out of supplies. Muddle through the nuclear plant meltdowns world wide? Muddle through ww3 and total nuclear exchange. Good luck growing a garden in that situation. Muddle through is about the most optimistic situation available. Afaiac that is what we are doing presently. When the money dies the muddle is over and the shit hits the fan and there is no muddling through a 90% death rate.

    5. Old Guy says:

      AOWG has a valid point. the wheat will indeed be separated from the chaff. Too many parasite takers and too few producing makers is not sustainable. That why we have 18 trillion in national debt. and china don’t own that much of that debt. The fed borrows from itself . the goverments buys it own treasury notes. creating money out of thin air. I think the eletes bunkers like the one at Mt weather need to become their toombs.

      • Because we rub shoulders with them every day, it is easy to point to the “parasites” and criminals on the bottom, but think clearly. It is the parasites and criminals at the TOP who have KILLED MILLIONS and LOOTED TRILLIONS.

        The wars and starvation manipulated by those at the TOP are truly CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and FAR outweigh the ravages of private crime committed by those at the BOTTOM.

        To press the medical metaphor, the “parasites” at the bottom are just a SYMPTOM. The parasites at the top are the actual DISEASE.

    6. Swinging on a star says:

      Luke 1:37 ESV

      For nothing will be impossible with God.

      In my opinion, the most important part of preparation is faith in the Lord; yes prepare by storing food and medications, but without faith it is all in vain. I can see the war against Christianity is not only in the middle east, but spreading like a plague throughout America as well, these are scary times, I pray for all the lost souls.

      • FreeSlave says:

        Agree with Swinging on a Star 100%!

        Spiritual prepping AND physical prepping. Ark of Salvation and a physical ark.

      • TEST says:

        Nice post. Thank you. Pew just reported a precipitous drop in people attending church this week. No one seems to put the fact that the erosion of faith parallels the rise of corruption.

        The truth is, as Dostoyevski wrote, “If God does not exist, everything is permitted” And yes, this is a valid quote. The quote in the original Russian reads: Без бога всё позволено

    7. Sgt. Dale says:

      “S.o.a.S”
      Putting our faith in God is the best thing we can do!
      The second best thing we can do is put our faith in our Families. The third thing we can do is put our faith in our Preps.
      The war against Christians is coming you see it here on this site all the time.
      Sgt.

      • FreeSlave says:

        “The war against Christians is coming you see it here on this site all the time.”

        Preppers are not a monolithic bunch. Which was to be expected. The common denominator is that very bad things are happening and that it’s best to get ready, be prepared, and be self-reliant (or build a small team/community) when it’s time.

        o Christian Preppers (which is me)

        o Atheist Preppers

        o Jew-Hating Preppers, some who profess to be Christians

        are just some of the prepper communities on this site.

        • We Catholics hate the sin and love the sinner, hence we hate Master Race supremacism and genocide. We love the perpetrators enough to exhort them to convert and be saved because genocide will certainly not get the perpetrators to Heaven.

          What about you, Free Slave? You seem to have a soft spot for the genocidal racial supremacism?

          It is overdue for you to be honest and think clearly. Stop running interference for the perpetrators of genocide and economic crimes against humanity.

          • Bob Michaels says:

            Excuse me but wasn’t it the Catholics who instigated the Inquisition? You know, the inquisition that tortured people on the rack, iron maiden, finger crusher and a host of other little torture delights? All in the name to get them to ” confess” to being God knows what, I guess whatever suited them at the time. And it was also The Catholics who murdered millions in the new world who wouldn’t convert to a religion they neither were familiar with or even wanted? I know I’ll be hearing that was a long time ago and yes it was wrong, but that was then and this is now. I’d like to have an opportunity to talk with all those who died to see how they felt about the idea of ” loving the sinner, nut hating the sin”. I think if they knew what was in store for them they would have fought all out to repel the invaders who knew ” better” then they did. Let’s include THAT in the old free thinking forum there too, ok?

            • (1) Cite your source for Catholics killing “millions” anywhere.
              (2) There are evil Catholics. They do their evil AGAINST Catholic teaching. Unfortunately the Oral Torah exhorts murder, decent, and looting of Gentiles, so those evildoers act ACCORDING to their religion and, in the twentieth century alone the tribe is responsible, directly and indirectly, for the death of about ONE-THIRD BILLION.
              (3) In approximately 500 years of the Inquisition, the STATE, not the Catholic Church, executed approximately 300 heretics. Compare that to Protestant bloodlust; English Protestants killed 30,000 Catholic “Papists” in just a few years.
              (4) Nowhere does Catholicism exhort racial supremacism, deceit, or looting.

              • typo (and auto-spell correct): ” …murder, deceit, looting…”

                Catholicism has NO analog to Judaism’s “Kill even the best of the Gentile.”

              • Bob Michaels says:

                Site my sources? Who the hell do you think you are anyway? Try history in the new world when the Spaniards landed In south and North America. Either you’re really stupid or conceited to the point where you think your religion is the ” only” way for people to get to heaven. There are literally dozens of different religions in the world, there’s no way in Hell that any one of them is the ” only” religion to believe. If you can’t accept the fact that Catholics committed mass murder in their past, then don’t go spouting off about how ” loving” and forgiving they are without flying into a little girl hissy fit when the facts are pointed out to you. Now go do your own damn research.

                • Yes, cite your source. You made an indefensible claim that Catholics killed “millions” in the new world. In point of fact, Catholics interrupted the Aztec bloodbaths and sure wasn’t the Catholic Church at Wounded Knee or the Trail of Tears.

                  As best I can tell, you are one getting “hissy” because you cannot defend your made-up “statistic.”

              • TEST says:

                Ummm… the 30 Years War is a good start on Catholic killings, on a percentage basis. And some of the Crusades, while generally justified as self defense against Muslim incursions (hey, they weren’t in Tours, France on a sight seeing trip), also killed a massive number of Eastern Orthodox. No Protestants around then. Methinks you doth protest too much. Williston Walker and Kenneth Latourette’s tomes on the whole sweep of Christian history are the two definitive works on the topic. I have read Walker in full, but would need to go back for full details.

                On the other hand, I will grant you this: Even Messianic Jew Dr. Marvin Olasky has stated that (if I remember correctly- but if not, I am close) that it was somewhere around 3 to 5000 Jews the Inquisition killed. And Dostoyevski capably addressed that in The Brothers Karamozov, in the chapter entitled the Grand Inquisitor.

                • The Black Legends are nearly as “universally accepted” as the government’s version of 9/11 or the lampshades and shrunken heads of the HoloHoax. That doesn’t make them true. Olasky’s numbers are not a reflection of the Holy Inquisition. The records are still available—300 executed by the State, NOT the Church, and that is the total for 500 years.

                  Sure, some Jews were executed for felonies like ritual murder and murder-for-hire (Who here will insist they became murderers because the Jews were discriminated against?). In the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome’s investigation of the Ashkenazi ritual murder cult, Bloody Passover ( ht tp://www.bloodpassover dot com ) Ariel Toaff freely stipulated that Jews were responsible for most of the medieval extortion, murder-for-hire, physician poisoners, etc. That was, in his view, completely non-controversial. Likely those Jewish felons (and tax farmers killed in revolts) are included in Olasky’s exaggeration.

                  Indeed the 30 Years War is a black mark. As far as I have read, the Thirty Years War (actually 31 years) was the highest death toll in which Catholics had a significant hand as a group. Estimates of the total number killed range between a low of 3 million and a high of 11.5 million. Even if we agreed to accept the highest estimate of 11.5 million and even if we agreed to blame Catholics for “starting it,” Catholics are still about a QUARTER BILLION SHORT OF THE JEWISH 20th CENTURY DEATH TOLL…. I understand that you want to make a different point, but THAT was my point, that such a minuscule percentage of the world’s population could instigate the killing of so many. No group—not Catholics, not Mongols, not Napoleon, not Shaka, not Pol Pot, not ISIS—comes close to either the absolute death count and per capita death count perpetrated by the synagogue of Satan, that “SUBSET” that FOLLOWS JUDAISM’S MASTER RACE PRECEPTS OF GENOCIDE, DECEIT, and LOOTING. The ones who reject the genocidal racial supremacism are not the problem (except for their failure to topple their tribal instigators of crimes against humanity).

                  Does every Jew follow the genocidal precepts? No—but enough of them do to have killed so many.

                  I highly recommend Dr. E. Michael Jones’ book The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History
                  ht tp://www.amazon dot com/The-Jewish-Revolutionary-Spirit-History/dp/0929891074

                  ….or you can simply go back to the rabbis and Jack Chick’s comic books for your Catholic “history.”

              • TEST says:

                The definitive sources are Williston Walker’s book, and Kenneth Latourette’s book. These are the two generally used books for Christian history, and serve as a universally accepted source for Christian history.

              • Mike in VA says:

                John

                All you have to do is look up the history of the bible. The book itself and the fight for translating the good book from Latin to English.
                I am not against any individuals. Jews, Catholics, baptist, whatever. There are good and bad in all mankind.

                • “There are good and bad in all mankind.”

                  Precisely so… and if we fought ALL the bad without making excuses for ANY crimes against humanity, we’d be in a better situation.

                  I am TOTALLY in favor of ONE standard of decency for ALL. NO genocide. NO looting. NO deceit. NO economic crimes against humanity. NO exceptions for any tribe. Prosecute ALL the guilty and leave ALL the innocent alone.

              • ENFP says:

                Actually John Q, the Pope helped Nazis escape to the new world instead of standing trial for their crimes.

                Catholics are a very mixed group. They vary from fascist types to Liberation Theology types to charismatic Christians to intellectuals. Just can’t put them all in the same box. But I believe the day will come when Catholics will have to decide whether to adhere to a decedant, Luciferian Vatican (taken over now) or their Lord Jesus Christ and “come out from them”. Protestants are going to have to make a similar decision in their groups, then we will truly all be one who comes out from the beast system.

            • Braveheart says:

              Bob Michaels, interesting post. Did you know that EVERY tyrant in EVERY nation of Europe, from the time the Catholic started, all the way until now, was from a CATHOLIC family? Same for the Castro brothers in Cuba. google it. I’ve always found Catholic doctrine to be questionable, to say the least.

              • Interesting that with two thousand years and all those Catholic “tyrants” that the ever benevolent Protestants and Jews managed to tally up so many more kills.

                “Chosen People” and their shabbos goyim (Gavril Princeps his co-assassins of the Judeo-Masonic “Black Hand Lodge”) started World War ONE—25 million died.

                “Chosen People” (the 1933 Declaration of War of World Jewry against Germany) started World War TWO—60 to 80 million died.

                “Chosen People” created (Rabbi Moses Hess and his disciple Marx), financed (Rosenwald, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff, et al.), propagandized (Ehrenburg, Mikhoels, Khaldei, et al.) exported (Kun, Eisner, Zimanas, Rozanski, Pijade, Rakosi, Olszewsi, et al.), and mostly ran (Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Litvinov, Andropov, et al.) Communism, their secret police (Beria, Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurovsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay, Speigelglas, Babel, et al.), and gulags (the Kaganovich family, Berman, Frenkel, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, et al.)—60 million died in the USSR; if you blame Hess and Marx for Mao, add another 75 million dead.

                In 100 years the tribe killed far more people than Catholic “tyrants” killed in 2,000 years. Same for Protestants.

                • In 100 years the tribe killed far more people than Catholic “tyrants” killed in 2,000 years. Same for Protestants.

                  But But But those poor tribe members were just defending themselves because they have always been so discriminated against for being Gods Chosenites. You are being antisemitic and rayciss for pointing out these things.

                  • Foolish hogwash. What a phony claim of discrimination. Always innocent? Perpetual victims? Hardly. Throughout most of Europe the tribe was given positions of influence and the tribe abused the people. Ever hear of “tax farming”?

                    A salient example. The Catholic Austro-Hungarian Empire was VERY friendly with the tribe, placing many in VERY high positions far out of proportion to their percent of the population, and allowing the tribal banksters almost free reign (all mistakes to be sure). How were the Hapsburgs repaid for their kindness? Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand and a World War that ended the Empire.

                    Another salient example of the perpetrators posing as victims:
                    abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3744/perpetrators-genocide

                  • TEST says:

                    Meanwhile, Oxford Univ. Press’ book The Black Book of Communism, states that various flavour of leftism/Communism MURDERED 100 MILLION last century. The late Dr. RJ Rummel’s site, from Univ. of Hawaii, https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/PERSONAL.HTM if memory serves, put the number around 170 million.

                    Various flavours of leftism have killed more than all other wars, plagues, famines, etc. All in a day’s work for lefties

                  • C’mon, Test, you are the guy arguing “subsets.”

                    Here’s the subset of “lefties,” “Russian” Communists (many of whom were from New York City):

                    “Chosen People” created (Rabbi Moses Hess and his disciple Marx), financed (Rosenwald, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff, et al.), propagandized (Ehrenburg, Mikhoels, Khaldei, et al.) exported (Kun, Eisner, Zimanas, Rozanski, Pijade, Rakosi, Olszewsi, et al.), and mostly ran (Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Litvinov, Andropov, et al.) Communism, their secret police (Beria, Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurovsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay, Speigelglas, Babel, et al.), and gulags (the Kaganovich family, Berman, Frenkel, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, et al.)—60 million died in the USSR; if you blame Hess and Marx for Mao, add another 75 million dead.

                    So for the last 50 years the “subset” is genocidal Zionists. Not long before that the “subset” was Young “Turks.”

                    Hmmmm…. what do those genocidal “subsets” have in common?

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    Hey moron, he was actually AGREEING with you in a sarcastic way. Thanks for demonstrating for everybody how big of a fool you really are, you and pissed off granny should get married and live a life of total misery. Jesus H. Christ, what a LOSER you are!

                • TEST says:

                  Sounds like you never heard of the Huegenots, as just one example

                  • So, did the Catholics genocide 200 million or 300 million Huguenots?

                    Total up 2,000 years of the worst things Catholics have done (citing sources) and let’s see how that stacks up against Jewish and Protestant wars and revolutions.

              • Bob Michaels says:

                Yes Braveheart, I would not be surprised to know that. But apparently this John q public character is seemingly obsessed with Jews being the cause of all problems in the world while Catholicism is somehow the only true religion that people have to believe to get to heaven. That’s the problem when people become zealots, they feel they have to FORCE everybody to see things the way do or it’s off to Hell with those who don’t believe ME! I don’t know for sure if there is a God or not but if there is I think he’d want to put his foot up some peoples asses for thinking that they are hear to represent Him and what He stands for. I never listen to fanatics, I doubt anyone else does or ever will but it never stops the truly disturbed from their diatribes, it’s really a sorry situation.

                • This “character” is concerned with honest history.

                  I have not, do not, and will not claim that any one group is responsible for ALL wickedness. That said, there is one group that has been responsible for an enormous disproportion of crimes against humanity. It is no meaningful defense to simply say they haven’t done ALL the evil.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    Jqp,

                    No your not concerned with ANYTHING honest about history, that’s a worn out smokescreen you use to mask your hatred of Jews. Everybody knows what you are, your arrogance deludes you into thinking that you’re somehow going to outsmart everybody by the old ” baffle ’em with bullshit” routine. Your a tired, worn out old man like your delusional ramblings, the truth you seek is everybody is on to your act.

                  • FreeSlave says:

                    “Everybody knows what you are, your arrogance deludes you into thinking that you’re somehow going to outsmart everybody by the old ” baffle ’em with bullshit” routine. Your a tired, worn out old man like your delusional ramblings, the truth you seek is everybody is on to your act.”

                    I’ve shined the Light on his Jew-hating act. But it wasn’t meant to be personal, or for him to take it personally. It was merely to shine the light on the act of irrational hatred. And, of course, for the Light to cause him to reconsider what he’s doing and then to cease and desist.

                  • Yours is an old trick. When you cannot address the issues, you attack the messenger.

                    Your personal attacks only underscore how intellectually bankrupt you are.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    JQ,

                    How’s this for morally intellectually bankrupt, your hero hitler was a devout catholic, nuff said there I think.

                  • Your desperation is showing, FS.

                    Quote verbatim where Hitler was my “hero” or be known as a liar.

                    I oppose ALL Master Race genocidal creeds: Naziism, KKK, and Judaism.

                  • John Q. Public says:

                    Further… In adulthood Hitler defected into pagan occultism—far from his mother’s Catholicism.

                    Be sure, he wasn’t the only one who defected from God into pagan occultism:

                    ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3720/pagan-polytheistic-judaism

              • YouWhat? says:

                Braveheart, you are probably right; however, Catholic (meaning Universal) is the faith that Jesus Christ Himself left (you are Peter and on this Rock I will build My church…). The first Christian religion was Catholic. So, whether one likes it or not, every other ‘Christian’ religion is therefore an offshoot/schism of Catholicism (you know when a person who feels he knows better than Christ, Luther for instance, and decides they don’t like a part of their faith bcos it doesn’t suit them and decide to start a new one). It then makes perfect sense that it all started with Catholicism but that Catholicism isn’t always necessarily the problem. The Catholic faith itself is pure and its doctrine sound, however as with everything else, man has sullied it.

                • ENFP says:

                  YouWhat, the first Christian religion was not Roman Catholicism under the bishop of Rome claiming to act in place of Jesus Christ. The first Christian religion was composed of Middle Eastern believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Resurrection. It transformed from a Resurrection faith to a State religion under Constantine. Luther attempted to bring it back to true faith. I don’t say he succeeded so well, but his revolution was liberating.

                  • Ha, ha, ha…. tell us another funny story.

                    As if a fornicating drunkard tearing more than 7 books from the Bible to bolster man-made doctrines is the champion of “true faith”?

                    Go figure.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    So you like funny stories do you? Ok, here’s one for you. Once upon a time there was a nazi poser on an internet board who tried his best to convince everybody he was a ” good” catholic boy who only wanted the ” truth”. But he was so stupid to see people could smell him out for the rat that he was. Then one day he was hit by a bus crossing the street and everybody else lived happily ever after, the end.

                  • John Q. Public says:

                    Funny how it goes—when there are no Nazis, notice who poses as Nazis.

                    Jewish student caught painting Swastikas on her own door then claiming Anti-Semitic Attack
                    youtube dot com/watch?v=eLt5U7VcHw8&feature=related

                  • Funny how it goes when there are no Nazis, notice who poses as Nazis.

                    Jewish student caught painting swastikas on her own door then claiming antisemitic attack.

                    ht tps://www.youtube dot com/watch?v=eLt5U7VcHw8

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    Yes, CATHOLICS are the biggest Nazi posers the world has ever known, in addition to being the most sanctimonious pricks imaginable, the only GOOD catholic is one who has renounced the vile religion itself.

              • ENFP says:

                Braveheart, I don’t think Obama is from a Catholic family.

          • TEST says:

            Sorry John, but FS has written well. And IMHO, you are making a category mistake, conflating a subset of Jews for Judaism. I have written about this extensively before, but this site seems to become a knee-jerk site for anti-Semites, and I have just given up. This is not to say there is not a disproportionate amount of Jews currently in amongst the banksters, Fed, etc. But the truth is, much of this is attributable to historical immigration patterns, a knee jerk reaction to pogroms (which a certain ***subset*** of Jews thought they could solve by Marxism, one worldism, etc.) It is indeed true that – just off the top of my head – Yellen, Bernanke, Goldspan, Jack Lew, Turbo Timmy Geithner, Larry Summers, Valerie Jarrett etc are all Jewish. But recall that – unlike Swedes who migrated to MN in the mid 1800s and farmed historically, a good portion of Jews came during the heyday of “progressivism” under the likes of the heinous Woodrow Wilson; they tended to settle in NY, where political and financial leadership was, had a cultural predilection for education, etc.

            In sum, is there some Protocol of the Elders of Zion “thing” out there? No. Is there a confluence of leftists Jews in politics and finance? Yes, there is a *subset.* But recall that in France, the Huegenots occupy the same position, and in Asia, the Chinese would be the equivalent. MANY of the boat people in the 1970s were of Chinese origin – hated in Vietnam (and Indonesia) for similar reasons you cite here.

            In sum, you anti-Zionists here are like the blind men feeling an elephant, each describing the part they are touching (the trunk is like a hose; the tusks are smooth and cool, the legs feel like a tree stump, etc.) Each of the blind men are truly, but not exhaustively, describing what they feel.

            I understand the great evil the banksters and leftists are doing to this country. I understand that there are an inordinate number of Jewish – probably of the Reform persuasion – in the halls of banksterism. But I think most of you are being a bit too reductionistic – a critical error. I think you are also ignoring people like Ben Shapiro, now lead editor for Brietbart, Jonah Goldberg, a stalwart conservative constitutionalist, Dennis Praeger, Michael Medved, the inimitable anti-communist David Horowitz, the late founder of the Schwarz Report, etc. etc.

            I HAVE taken time to read the postings of the anti-zionists here. I also watched all ten or 15 hours of the videos supporting the Nazis someone posted here a number of months ago. (Would that these people would do me the same courtesy, and honestly reflect on the comments here, rather than dash off some quick retort).

            As I say, I believe you are being reductionistic. We can all agree, I think, that the American republicanism and constitutional experiment is being subverted, and this is not only a tragedy, it is downright evil. However, a lot of this started with seeds very arguably tracing to Lincoln, but *certainly* to Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Your argument, in sum, captures some things, but is too simplistic. The locus of evil is NOT in Jews, are as Shakespeare said about Brutus, in the stars, but in ourselves. Your fight will only knock off the top of the dandelion, but never touch the root.

            I probably won’t respond to comments, as I find this whole site is becoming one big anti-semite rant, and I simply don’t have the time. I have read what a lot of people have posted – quite a bit, actually – and that is enough. I unfortunately don’t work for the govt, and don’t have unlimited time.

            • Anonymous says:

              Thanks TEST. We are blessed to have you here.

            • Mike in VA says:

              Test

              Not me. Like it or not if you read the bible the people of Israel are Gods chosen.

              Joel 3:1-2
              “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.

              Amos 3:1-2
              Hear this word which the LORD has spoken against you, sons of Israel, against the entire family which He brought up from the land of Egypt: “You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.”

              Romans 11:1-2
              I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

              • Sorry to say so, Mike, but you are confused about who the Chosen People are TODAY. If you put your quoted verses in context, you will see your error.

                Click on my red screen name and read the threads “MOSAIC COVENANT IS REVOKED…” and “BLESSINGS AND CURSES OF GENESIS 12:3.”

              • FreeSlave says:

                Mike in VA: “Like it or not if you read the bible the people of Israel are Gods chosen.”

                That’s true. And it’s true regardless of whether anyone likes it or not. And thanks for providing the Scripture references.

                • John Q. Public says:

                  To understand the Greatest Story Ever Told, you actually have to read the entire Bible, not just a couple of John Hagee excerpts that tickle your ears.

                  Here’s a plot summary for you, with citations (to make this post shorter, the links provide about 150 supportive scriptural verses that would be too long to post here):

                  <b<(1) The "blessings and curses" Covenant with Abram the GENTILE and his SPIRITUAL heirs.
                  Galatians 3:6-8
                  Romans chapter 4
                  Matthew 3:9
                  more detail: ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3866/blessings-curses-genesis-12-3

                  (2) Covenant with Moses—a contract with rewards for obedience and punishment for disobedience.
                  Deuteronomy chapter 28
                  Leviticus chaoter 26
                  Leviticus 18:28
                  Numbers 14:23
                  Deuteronomy 4:26-27; 6:18; 7:12
                  Deuteronomy chapter 30
                  Ezekiel 13:9
                  Jeremias 7:15; 29:13-14
                  More detail: ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3726/gods-judgments-old-testament

                  (3) God’s Judgment about the Israelites DISOBEDIENCE and his promise of a NEW Covenant.
                  49 judgments of God listed here:
                  ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3726/gods-judgments-old-testament
                  96 more judgments of God listed here:
                  ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3701/jesus-apostles-saints-doctors-popes

                  Jeremias 31:31-33
                  Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: NOT according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: THE COVENANT WHICH THEY MADE VOID, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord: I will give my law in their bowels, and I will write it in their heart: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

                  (4) Israel connived the judicial murder of their Messiah.
                  Mark 10:33, Matt. 20:18-19, Luke 18:31-33
                  Matt. 26:4, Luke 22:2, John 7:1
                  Matt. 26:59
                  John 7:19
                  John 7:25
                  Matt. 27:1-2, Mark 15:1, Luke 23:1
                  Matt. 27:18, Mark 15:10
                  Matt. 26:15, Mark 14:10-11, Luke 22:2-6
                  Mark 11:18, Luke 19:47
                  Matt. 27:20, Mark 15:11, Luke 23:18, John 18:40
                  Matt. 27:22-23, Mark 15:13-14, Luke 23:21-23, John 19:6-7
                  Matt. 27:26, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:24-25

                  “His blood be upon us and upon our children” (Matt. 27:25).
                  “For this reason he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin” (John19:11).
                  “… the chief priests and rulers delivered him up to the sentence of death and crucified Him” (Luke 24:20)

                  etc., etc. etc. and confessions from the Talmud here:
                  ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3772/deicide-confessions-blame-shifting

                  (5) Mosaic Covenant REVOKED, “MADE VOID,” “BLOTTED OUT,” “SET ASIDE,” “TAKEN AWAY,” “ANNULLED,” and fulfilled in the NEW Covenant, the NEW Israel, the NEW Chosen People
                  Hebrews 7:18
                  Hebrews 10:9
                  Colossians 2:14
                  Jeremias 31:31-32
                  Malachias 2:8-12
                  Hebrews 8:5-13
                  Mark 7:7-9

                  More here:
                  ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3867/mosaic-covenant-revoked

                  (6) The sad fate of the DISOBEDIENT.

                  axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
                  cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
                  condemned Mark 16:16
                  cut down Matthew 3:10
                  in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
                  judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
                  shall be broken Matthew 21:44
                  shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
                  the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
                  woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
                  wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
                  your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
                  you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

                  Indeed, judgment and curses for the stiff-necked deicides and blasphemers.

                  (7) WHO ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE TODAY?

                  1 Peter 2:9-10
                  “But you [speaking to the Christians] are a CHOSEN generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Who in time past were not a people: but are NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.”

            • I have made no “category mistake.” Your claim is a straw man. I have been quite clear that the responsible “subset” is those who adhere to (and those who excuse) “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” Master Race Judaism.

              Tossing the ritual epithet “antisemite” over your shoulder while you run away does not erase the mountains of evidence that the “only Jews are human” tenet pervades Judaism and its secular offshoots, Communism and Zionism.

              • I should add this—you seem to admire and exculpate Medved and Prager, both of whom are orthodox.

                Do you understand what the orthodox teach about Gentiles? Sorry to burst your bubble, but click on my red screen name and read the thread entitled “Who is human? Who is not?”

                Do you understand what the orthodox teach about Jesus Christ? Sorry again to burst your bubble, but click on my red screen name and read the thread entitled “Deicide—Confessions and Blame-shifting.”

                The more you study, the more you will see the commonalities of the “subsets” through the ages. You are making distinctions without significant differences.

            • FreeSlave says:

              Test, awesome, awesome comment. To be savored, and reposted as a tour de force rebuttal.

              I can’t believe you watched all those videos! It’s hilarious that they didn’t influence you in the least. Thanks for your patience in evaluating the arguments of the indiscriminate Jew haters.

              Fwiw, I’ll contend vigorously against others based upon their behaviors and their actions. But not based on the color of their skin or on their ethnicity.

              Thanks again for your comment.

              • What about you, FS?

                Are you in favor of ONE standard of decency for ALL?

                NO genocide. NO looting. NO deceit. NO economic crimes against humanity. NO exceptions for any tribe. Prosecute ALL the guilty and leave ALL the innocent alone.

                Or do you want to continue to allow exceptions?

                • Bob Michaels says:

                  JQ public, I’ve been laughing my ass off watching you scramble to defend your idiotic position, getting a WEE bit on the defensive now aren’t we? Here’s another one for you to look up, when the catholics tried to invade Japan with their priests and missionaries, at first the Japanese allowed them in. It wasn’t long before they realized what a huge mistake they had made. They told them all in no uncertain terms to leave the country immediately. Of course, being catholics, they told the Emperor they were not going anywhere because they had to conform everybody to ” their” way of religion and therefore were NOT going to leave. Sound familiar? Well, the Japanese knew EXACTLY how to deal with them, they rounded them all up en masse and crucified the entire lot of them, problem SOLVED. The moral to this history lesson is people really HATE having religion of any kind shoved down their throats, but naturally, the idiot catholics NEVER listen to anyone when they’re told to back off, one good reason people love to hate them. In closing, I would also like to add the catholic church has been losing membership in droves over the last 5 decades as people have woken up to the fact they constantly change their positions on everything. If it wasn’t for the fact that all of the illegal Mexicans as well as Mexican americans are all catholic, there wouldn’t be much of a catholic presence in America any longer, oh well, at least it’s something we can dream about, isn’t it?

                  • Let’s see if I understand your hypocritical position.

                    If Catholics kill people over religion it is terrible.

                    If others kill Catholics over religion, it is peachy keen.

                    Go figure.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    JQ;

                    Let’s see if you can understand THIS. Earlier in the thread your old buddy .02 { must be his IQ, and I’m willing to bet higher that yours, but I digress} had replied to your comment sarcastically about you’re being rayciss,etc. So what do YOU do? Immediately launch an ATTACK on him! You’re such a fucking moron you were the ONLY one who didn’t pick it up! Yet you’re the source of all things holy and what God wants! You need to check into the psychiatric ward old man, you’re feeble arteries have seized up. And by the way, shove your sanctimony where the sun doesn’t shine, or share it with God, or with the devil, I don’t care. Your a old, bitter man with one foot in the grave already, why not put everybody here out of your misery and make it BOTH.

                • John Q. Public says:

                  ‪Israel is paying internet workers to‬
                  manipulate online content
                  youtube dot com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

                  Even conservatives notice the trend:

                  Israel’s Information Ops
                  By Philip Giraldi • August 20, 2014
                  theamericanconservative dot com/articles/israels-information-ops/

              • Anonymous says:

                And thank you FreeSlave for all your contributions. They’re greatly valued. Shine on.

                • Bob Michaels says:

                  Agree with anonymous there Free slave, if for no other reason that to drive JQ zealot nuts. Oh wait a minute…….

                • The question still stands for FS.

                  Free Slave, Are you in favor of ONE standard of decency for ALL?

                  NO genocide. NO looting. NO deceit. NO economic crimes against humanity. NO exceptions for any tribe. Prosecute ALL the guilty and leave ALL the innocent alone.

                  Or do you want to continue to encourage exceptions?

                  • FreeSlave says:

                    Test: “Sorry John, but FS has written well. And IMHO, you are making a category mistake, conflating a subset of Jews for Judaism.”

                    JQP: “I have made no “category mistake.” Your claim is a straw man. I have been quite clear that the responsible “subset” is those who adhere to (and those who excuse) “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” Master Race Judaism.”

                    Test is not committing a straw man fallacy. You are.

                    Many, many Jews do not affirm the “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” mentality and attitude that you are smearing them with.

                    John Q. Public, would please become intimate with this section of the Catholic Catechism:

                    The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, “the first to hear the Word of God.” The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”, “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”

                  • The Jews were chosen for the birth of the Messiah and the promises have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ and His Church. He still calls everyone, even those who reject Him, to the New Covenant. What’s your point?

                    Familiarize yourself with more details infallibly promulgated at the Council of Florence:

                    Council of Florence: “§ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors….

                    “§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,’ (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
                    Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecumenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denzinger Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712-714

                    More details from Jesus, the Apostles, Fathers, Doctors, Popes, Prophets, Saints, and Councils here:

                    ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3701/jesus-apostles-saints-doctors-popes

                  • Keep in mind that the Church has long been aware of God’s distinction between true Jews and “the synagogue of Satan, those who SAY they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE.” (Apocalypse 3:9)

                    The question still stands for FS. Are you in favor of ONE standard of decency for ALL?

                    NO genocide. NO looting. NO deceit. NO economic crimes against humanity. NO exceptions for any tribe. Prosecute ALL the guilty and leave ALL the innocent alone.

                    Bob Michaels already gave his answer. He supports a hypocritical double-standard.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    No what I support is deep regret that you weren’t part of the original catholic invasion of Japan. I think that would have been a truly great thing, then we could turn around and claim that ” it NEVER happened, no, it was all bullshit, the Japanese NEVER crucified any catholics!” A fitting end to a tiny, miserable life that nobody will ever know or care about. Now THATS what I support!

                  • John Q. Public says:

                    Israel To Pay Students For Pro-Israeli Social Media Propaganda
                    ‪huffingtonpost dot co dot uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html‬

                    Israel to pay students to defend it online
                    ‪usatoday dot com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ ‬

                  • FreeSlave says:

                    Q: “Free Slave, Are you in favor of ONE standard of decency for ALL?”

                    A: That ONE standard is the 66 Books of the Bible, God’s Holy Written Word.

                    John Q. Public, do you support this section of the Catholic Catechism?

                    The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, “the first to hear the Word of God.” The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”, “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”

                  • Are you dyslexic? I already said so:

                    The Jews were chosen for the birth of the Messiah [the SON of God] and the promises have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ and His Church. He still calls everyone, even those who reject Him, to the New Covenant. What’s your point?

                    Now, I have answered your question TWICE. Maybe you should stop evading my question.

                    Do you think there should be ONE standard for ALL? NO genocide. NO racial supremacism? NO looting? NO economic crimes against humanity.

                    Or do you support a hypocritical double-standard? No genocide or racial supremacism if “Nazis” do it, but genocide and racial supremacism are OK if AskeNAZIS (and their accomplices) do it?

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    jqp,

                    YES, I admit it! You’ve caught me red handed! I’m actually an Israeli spy hired by the giant ZOG new world order machine! We’re spending BILLIONS to spy solely on YOU because we are THAT afraid of you and your pathetic, thankfully dying religion. Boy you’re REALLY sharp there johhny kid, NOBODY can get ANYTHING past you, unless, of course, it’s a sarcastic comment from .02 actually agreeing with you! Like I’ve said, everybody here knows WHAT you are, regardless of how many websites you post underneath your comments. If anybody ever needed a reason to hate catholics, you’re the best example that could EVER be provided for the cause.

                  • John Q. Public says:

                    While you rave on, history moves on…

                    Vatican Move on Palestine Adds Fuel to European Debate
                    Reuters
                    http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-move-palestine-adds-fuel-european-debate-131722614.html

                    The Vatican’s decision to recognize the state of Palestine in a treaty for the first time has drawn a stern response from Israel, but it may usher in a freer debate in Europe about how to proceed on the vexed Palestinian question. The Holy See has referred to Palestine since 2012, but the treaty concluded on Wednesday, which covers the Church’s activities in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority, marks a more formal recognition, which Vatican officials said they hoped would benefit Israeli-Palestinian ties in time … The Vatican, increasingly proactive in foreign policy under Pope Francis, is far from the only state to have recognized Palestine — 135 members of the United Nations already do so, nearly 70 percent of the total. By comparison, 160 of the UN’s 193 members recognize Israel.

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    Yeah, sure, while ” I” rave on, and YOU’RE the ” sane” one here I suppose. Just admit it, you’re just a Nazi poser who hides behind your bullshit religious ranting, save it for weekly white supremacist meetings and pissed off granny.

                  • John Q. Public says:

                    When there are no Nazis and no pogroms, then lie and lie and lie….

                    The Limerick “pogrom”: Creating Jewish victimhood

                    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/the-limerick-pogrom-creating-jewish-victimhood/

                  • When there are no Nazis and no pogroms, then lie and lie and lie….

                    The Limerick “pogrom”: Creating Jewish victimhood
                    theoccidentalobserver dot net/2012/03/the-limerick-pogrom-creating-jewish-victimhood/

                    How a boycott of financial predation became “The Limerick Pogrom” blood libel against Irish Catholics
                    mauricepinay.blogspot dot com/2015/03/how-boycott-of-financial-predation.html

                  • Bob Michaels says:

                    Like I said earlier, the world will be a BETTER place for EVERYBODY once we finally adopt the Japanese strategy for dealing with catholics, it’s a damn shame that it wasn’t done centuries ago don’t you think?

      • TEST says:

        Thanks Sgt. You always write good stuff. Nice to know there are good police like you around (like my immed neighbor, a just retired IL. state trooper).

      • Mike in VA says:

        Sgt

        I was told I could not pray if asked by my men. Never would I have ever thought I would hear that. I am a free man. A united states citizen. I will never honor that request. I owe everything I have or will ever have to almighty God.

    8. Enemy of the State says:

      That Amtrak passenger train was traveling at 107 MPH into a 50 MPH curve
      7 dead..

      not going to be a good thing for that Engineer or that company

      ht tp://news.yahoo.com/live-updates–amtrak-train-derailment-near-philadelphia-030241888.html

      • Anonymous says:

        You’d think a train driver would notice he was going that fast and slow down a little for a turn.

        Maybe something went wrong and the train went out of control?

        But, then, I’ve never driven a train so I really can’t speculate seriously about it.

        • smokey says:

          He did notice it, slammed on his brakes and got the speed down to 102 MPH before leaving the rails.

          I’m betting he was texting or some such thing.

          There’s a driver, and a conductor, each is responsible for the train and passengers.

          I’ve always been told that the speed limits set by the RR are carved in stone and not to be disobeyed for any reason. Speed and get fired.

          Don’t believe in the uncontrollable train story, it’s not true. Take your hands from the throttle and the train will come to a stop, using separate, redundant circuits.

          Robotics are the answer to this kind of crap.

    9. Anonymous says:

      Millions?…Millions?

      NO. Billions of unfunded liabilities will be liquidated in the coming years as we slide down the backside of Hubbert’s curve.

    10. Enemy of the State says:

      NIIIIICE Move , and were the ones who shouldn’t have arms or ammo?

      ht tp://news.yahoo.com/ammo-parts-dropped-jersey-beach-during-replenishment-131735355.html

    11. When will this guy be liquidated? This is not a new story, but it blows my mind. I would go so far as to say he had his new heart scoped out and liquidated the carrier ahead of time…

      http://worldnewsdaily.com/david-rockefellers-sixth-heart-transplant-successful-at-age-99/

      • GrandpaSpeaks says:

        He couldn’t find any bankers with a heart so he only uses Libertarian hearts. But they never stand up to the long run so he will need millions more to use staving off the devil.

      • TEST says:

        Reminds me of Devine on Perelandra.

        He is still going to die And even if he lives for another 100 years, that is just a single grain of sand on the beach of infinity standing in the dock before the Judge of the Living and the Dead.

        The space trilogy of CS Lewis was very prescient. Particularly the last of the three. The non-fiction take of his on the same subject is The Abolition of Man. Kinda where we are today, actually.

      • ENFP says:

        Six heart transplants and I don’t remember how many kidney transplants. Disgusting to think how many fat steaks he has to eat to wreck so many hearts. And Greg Evensen can’t get even one kidney transplant.

    12. Satori says:

      ever heard of the “Aurora test” ?

      h ttp://easyrider.easyrider.com/aurora_white_paper.htm

      “What is the Aurora vulnerability?: Aurora is a vulnerablity to cyber attacks that could sabotage critical systems that provide electricity including the nationwide power grid.”

      • Yep Satori, just another vulnerability we all have to live with. Couple the power grid with JIT inventory and just a few hiccups and glitches could be devastating in this ticking time-bomb we have as a society these days. People are freaking out and killing each other if you get their order wrong @ the burger joint.

    13. toolmaker rex says:

      If we have until Sept. to prepare. A lot of us are as prepared as we are going to get.I believe that Jesus will take care of His Remnant. Even still I think that anyone who is not an American will probably be shot. When this starts going bad for the chicom’s and the russians, thats when they’re nukes will be used. Go Wolverines

    14. Hout/Cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Sgt Dale, welcome back the board. I am not Anti cop, i am friends with some you all. However, their are some i would literally stay away the hell from. The George Zimmermans, who form from what we saw, just road raged another guy he alejedly threatened to kill before the Travon Martin murder, and the citizen fired rounds at Zimmerman in sef defense, now WTF was that, then you have the Darrel Wilsons and that other ideot that killed that black guy in the park, then throws down a taser at this body.

      Sgt Dale has not attacked anyone on this board, so i have to back him up, sorry.

      I have been getting attacked by Trolls,” agency punks” i like to call em. If you were one of the bad, i would have picked up on it already. Folks, i have to back up Sgt Dale, cops are prepping alot, and it supprised me, when i am told by them:

      Cop-you all thing we are coming to help you, i am heading home, screw that, your on your own, you better buy more rounds.

      me-wtf, you guys are going to run like hell.

      cop-yep, we dont trust govenment either. What the hell are we doing respondig to 9-11 calls, you think we are going to jump into our cruisers to come help you, ha.

      me- is see, so we are really f……..d

      cop-we got family too.

      Well, it dosent not come as a supprise, since the cabal is calling our rangers and DPS, a terrorist organization and pizzing off the Rangers. And get this, cops may have noticed that they are living in the Red zone of the State of Texas. Red list, Blue list-this is the cops, yellow list, green list. Does it mean that they will be spared, probably not, cops are on the blue list. I was even told by some one that works for cops, who told me that some of the cops in my area, met up with the veterans, and preppers to let them know that they are prepping and asked the milita not to fire on them when shtf comenses, that they know that something wrong is going on in the country. This is what good cops are suppose to do, meet with the citizenry, and form friendships. So cops are human too. We cannot just say cops are bad, this is simply not true. We are not ideots here.

      Oh and i must comment on this article. Yep, the food supply will be gone 1 yr into shtf. What the scientist said, i dont even have to repeat it, i am sure everyone has read the statics that i have posted. Yep, we a frikin screwed. Hopefully we preppers will be in the 3-5 million survivors. The Road is where this is heading. Unward to the SHTF EVENT HORIZON, we are now 3 1/2 months out from the September 2015 INVETRO SHTF.

      Aka,

      HCKS.

      • I wanna tell you one story from my SHTF time, it is about law abiding citizens and special police force.

        First days of collapse are most chaotic in terms of panic and frightened people, so there is a picture of big number of people who do not know what to do, where to go, and what is gonna be. Looting everywhere, and when folks realize that nobody gonna punish them they just go wild.

        One group of people (they all lived in same apartment building) choose to stay in, or to bug in speaking in survival terms. There were couple of days of chaos outside but nobody touched them in that building.

        When things get more rough they choose to move in few apartments on same floor and stay together. Anyway after some two or three weeks there were some kind of peace outside. They were on watch on windows carefully checking what is going on, but they could not figure out anything.

        Few hours later when dark start to fall they noticed group of some 30 policeman, with helmets, rifles and everything. Special police was still around and in first days after STHF they made weak attempts of putting riots down.

        They moved in order and formation. Guys from the building were so happy to see them after weeks of rioting and chaos outside. They were first sign that things maybe get back to normal. They cheered and called them.

        Police guys quickly stormed into the building and forced them out. They shoot them after quick search. After that they searched apartments for useful stuff. One of the guys who realized and ran for his life survived and told me his story. They were so quick and professorial in killing that most of the people did not even have time to ask for mercy.

        Now what is the importance of this story?

        Selco…..

      • Anonymous says:

        Zimmerman isn’t the best of characters, but the guy that shot him?

        How often do you find it necessary to chase down and shoot someone sitting inside their own car thorough the windshield in self defense? Zimmerman isn’t being accused of shooting at the guy that shot him, and it is generally the one that does the attacking by going after another driver that is considered the aggressor, particularly if he got out of his car or chased him down with his own car to do so.

      • Braveheart says:

        HCKS, I like your term for the trolls ‘agency punks’. Good one.

    15. Klemens says:

      The Christians which survive the punishment of God,
      they need to have the Roman Catholic Daily Missal 1962 (or older, second-hand).
      http://www.fraternitypublications.com/the-1962-daily-mi.html
      There will be a time after God’s punishment, where this Missal will be needed,
      and than it`s very good if you have got one.
      It is a longer story to explain why, but you can belive me.
      So it is not a big thing to buy a book.

    16. slingshot says:

      What are you all worried about? You are all prepared, Right.

      • Lol, yeah a few nuclear bombs here and there.. No big.. Couple 100 million starving people ravishing the countryside.. piece of cake.. 99 nuclear reactors in 30 states melting down.. I eat that shit!.. rampant disease.. keeps things interesting..

        • 3006 says:

          Now everyone should understand why they built all those underground bunkers. They know what they have done and when reality hits the citizens they will want their hearts on pikes and their bodies burned alive. The military are to protect them then they will be sacrificed, along with the house and the Senate. None of them really understand that they have been useful idiots to be sacrificed in the end.

        • slingshot says:

          .02

          Over the span of about 25 years I have read maybe 5000 articles from simple camping to Nuclear Biological and Chemical warfare. That is the prep side. Then you can add another couple of thousand or so on conspiratorial/end of the world subjects. I could adjust to anything except a direct ICBM hit. ;0)

          • Your bunker must be better than mine. I would have trouble surviving to a ripe old age if everything I grow and eat is nuclear radiated. I can sit out a few different situations, but a total nuclear exchange, along with years of nuclear winter and the possibility of a burned up atmosphere is a bit past my preps.

            • GrandpaSpeaks says:

              @.02; I enjoy your humor but everything is radiated now. Better initiate the Geiger counter protocol on every thing inside and entering that bunker and your body if your planning long term. The California drought is a blessing, it could be raining. Precipitating, so to speak. Overlay the Geiger reading variations reported here with the weather map and there is correlation that can be seen over time. ht tp://www.netc.com/. Only luck determines if ones time line extends past 20 years now that coriums float on the Pacific. ht tp://enenews.com/. To go further will take detection and decontamination protocols that will eventually defeat the will to survive. And for what? The eternal question has been answered and it is plain to see that when an ocean dies, there is no sound. Only detection and decontamination. Forever.

              • TEST says:

                My concern: If the nuclear power plants, say in IL., have the cooling pools go without water, due to EMP, whatever, you then have five (I forget the exact #)or so Fukishimas in IL. alone. I think nuclear power is good, but they need to go to pebble reactors, or even better, thorium – plentiful, little danger, etc.

                Then again, the Stanley Pons cold fusion thing woulda been nice!

                • Mike in VA says:

                  Test you have about 30 days before back up systems go down. They will be out of diesel fuel at that time. Then Katie bar the door.

                  • sixpack says:

                    Is there no fucking shut down button on those reactors?

                    Someone please explain to me why the only choice, is to let them run completely out of fuel and melt down.

                    Do we really think that the people who run them will just leave a dead man’s switch on and run like hell?

                    Any half-brain dead person would just shut them down, before they let them blow up. It’s not like they wouldn’t know fuel was running low or running out.

                  • Mike in VA says:

                    Sixpack

                    It is not the reactors that are the problem. There is a shutdown button on them. They are also covered by huge steel and concrete domes. They should be okay.
                    The problem is the used fuel from the reactors. They are called spent fuel rods. They are still extremely hot. They are put into pools are water after they are used. They have cooling pumps that supply water. The cooling pumps have backups to backups to backups. The problem will be delivery of diesel fuel if the grid goes down. Each plant has about a 30 day supply.
                    It would not be as bad as a meltdown of the reactor but those spent fuel rods are still highly radioactive. I don’t work at a Nuke plant but that is my understanding of it in talking to friends who do.

                  • Anon 1970 says:

                    Six pack and Mike-my son in laws father works at Diablo and I have been hoping to pick his brain a bit about this. This is a huge concern for me as we are not far from there. I avoid the beach that Diablos on (Avila). It’s really interesting that this particular beach is very clean with good bathrooms, a really nice play structure and snow one carts. My little ones always want to go there, the older ones want one of the better for surf beaches, Pismo and Oceano, Cambia….

                    All that to say, I don’t know how far we need to be away from that reactor to be safe. There is a higher rate of cancer here and for miles up and down the coast, I’m guessing from Diablo. My daughter has said there are ‘issues’ though her FIL doesn’t give much detail.

                    I’m wondering how much gets into our well water? We are very slightly inland but I know it must affect us.

                • GrandpaSpeaks says:

                  I have an off grid nuclear fusion powered home.

    17. ponomo says:

      Where is O today? Creating more debt with the help of CONgrease?? We need more special prisons for both.

    18. KY Mom says:

      Survey: More than 40 percent of bee hives died in past year

      Since April 2014, beekeepers lost 42.1 percent of their colonies, the second highest loss rate in nine years, according to an annual survey conducted by a bee partnership that includes the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

      “What we’re seeing with this bee problem is just a loud signal that there’s some bad things happening with our agro-ecosystems…”

      “What shocked the entomologists is that is the first time they’ve noticed bees dying more in the SUMMER than the winter, said vanEngelsdorp said.

      The survey found beekeepers lost 27.4 percent of their colonies this summer. That’s up from 19.8 percent the previous summer.”
      http://phys.org/news/2015-05-survey-percent-bee-hives-died.html

    19. Satori says:

      Bird Flu Update

      US: 36.6 million birds affected by H5N2, H5N8

      ht tp://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2015/05/us-366-million-birds-affected-by-h5n2-h5n8.html

      US: Two new likely H5N2 outbreaks in South Dakota

      ht tp://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2015/05/us-two-new-likely-h5n2-outbreaks-in-south-dakota.html

      India: Unknown disease hits poultry in ‘bird flu’ zone

      h ttp://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2015/05/india-unknown-disease-hits-poultry-in-bird-flu-zone.html

    20. Satori says:

      repost
      just wanted to make sure everyone saw this

      45% Of US Voters Concerned Government Will Use Military Training Exercises For Power Grab

      ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-13/45-us-voters-concerned-government-will-use-military-training-exercises-power-grab

      “Just 20% of voters now consider the federal government a protector of individual liberty. Sixty percent (60%) see the government as a threat to individual liberty instead. Only 19% trust the federal government to do the right thing all or most of the time.”

      seems like a lot of the frogs have realized that the pot is gettin’ kind of warm

      mass awakening of the sheep ???

    21. swinging richard says:

      Maybe all those countries the USA helped will return the favor.

    22. Satori says:

      think we don’t live in a mother f_cking police state ???

      School District Arrests Kids For Throwing Skittles

      ht tp://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/where-students-can-get-arrested-for-throwing-skittles/

      and the “brave” men in blue are all to happy to make it happen

      • where are the “good cops” I keep hearing about? I mean wtf are these GROWN men and women thinking? We are doomed..

        • TEST says:

          One is Sgt Dale. Another one is my neighbor, a recently retired IL. state trooper, who is a strong Constitutionalist, freedom lover, and good guy. Sadly, he is now retired. My only frustration is that a lot of good people in the military, police, etc. are in a rush to retire. Just maybe they need to see remaining in as their true service. My state trooper buddy had a very senior position, and would have been in a position to exert a lot of influence for good.

      • Just doin’ what they’re told. “Shakin’ that bush, boss”. They are prisoners of their blue mafia organization. Go against the FOP and they will be outcasts. So none do. Serpico may have been the last one.

        LMMFAO. Law enforcement has no concept of liberty or natural rights. It’s all about them pieces of silver.

    23. william says:

      Learned nothing new from this article… Unfortunately.

    24. Satori says:

      India Plans to Build 100 “Smart” Cities for the Elites

      h ttp://www.thedailysheeple.com/india-plans-to-build-100-smart-cities-for-the-elite_052015

      green zone for the wealthy

      hell zone for everyone else

    25. citizen says:

      a little off topic but relevant, I have converted a generator to run on alcohol. Does alcohol have a shelf life like gasoline? Besides having a affinity for water, it seems pretty stable.

      what else do you do when your fuel stockpile runs out and solar won’t run the freezers?

      • GrandpaSpeaks says:

        Do a search on “Wood gas”. Alcohol could be classed as a preservative. Maybe more valuable as a germicide than a fuel.

      • smokey says:

        Alcohol is pretty stable if it’s pure enough. It’s the impurities that cause problems.

      • Rellik says:

        Alcohol is an in-exhaustible energy supply. It is easy to make. Just don’t drink it all in the process.

      • Archivist says:

        I’m not going to try keeping the freezers running. Canning, dehydrating, and root cellaring are the ways to go. Jars and Tattler lids are reusable. You can always use a wood fire for canning.

      • notsogreat says:

        As the poster stated, other than meat, dry and seal with a dehydrator and vacuum seal.

      • Skeptic says:

        Citizen;
        I applaud you for your conversion. I have tried several times at this site to get to subject of alternative power. Not much luck. I am more interested in bio diesel and plants to process it from but a friend of mine likes alcohol. He is a good mechanic and he pointed out to me that things like chain saws and lawnmowers or for that matter any small gasoline engines will run on alcohol with jetting changes. I think you are barking up the right tree. Take a look at Smokstak. Lots of gear heads there that know a lot of shit. Post occasionally with your progress. Best of luck.

    26. The Java Junkie says:

      Lets look at the facts, If the dollar or money in paper form is worth anything its because you and or I beleive it is. So there for what is debt? its nothing more than a thought, A feeling, A belief! Funny how the whole worlds guna stop just because of a bunch of paper that so many put faith into. Just sayin!!!

      • Rellik says:

        I agree with you and occasionally point that out to people. I also point out that gold and silver have no value to someone that needs food, water, shelter, security, arms, and energy. What will fail is the large urban areas with no locally produced food and naturally occurring water resources. (can you spell Los Angeles, New York city, Chicago, et al?). The trick is to wait those people out, survive the die-off, and of course stay out of large urban areas. I just hope in my neck of the woods, there will be enough horses to go around.

    27. 41MagMan says:

      “In Greece we saw what happens to a thriving nation once the money stops flowing. ”

      Oh, please. Greece hasn’t been a “thriving nation” for a couple of decades. Like many other nations they have been living beyond their means via borrowed money. Eventually, that largess comes to an end and when it does, the house of cards collapses. End of story.

    28. DaveGG says:

      Basically only one word comes into mind when reading this, Self-sufficient… Solution to everyday stupidity… Working 9hrs/day, just to come home and go shopping, eat,sleep,repeat. Every time i open water tap, i think ” What happens when it stops? ” Same goes for electricity.. So i bought a small property, with small old house on it, i ” modernised “whole thing in sense that i have everything i need there, except meat source.

    29. Luke Warm says:

      Time to thin the herd.

    30. Amos 8:11, “the famine in the end times is not for bread, but for hearing the word of the LORD”! These guys really are fear porn merchants!

    31. notsogreat says:

      Tip of the day:

      If well-stocked in essentials, have some chickweed/beeswax on hand for sores, etc.
      Stuff is amazing for healing all types of ailments; research it.

      • Anonymous says:

        Raw honey too, Manuka honey being best. It’s recently even been used in some hospital testing for the treatment of antibiotic resistant infections such as that MRSA stuff (same as flesh eating bacteria?). Had a friend that got that infection on a foot and it was almost to the point of hospitalization for it when he tried it and it was cured (he was, in fairness, taking antibiotics as well so it could have been synergistic or just coincidence).

        Honey has been used since at least the Egyptians for wound healing, next time you get one of those annoying wounds you don’t want to go to a doctor for (since they report them) try using honey on it and see if it doesn’t make it heal much, much faster without getting infected.

        • Anon 1970 says:

          Can vouch for raw honey drawing put infections. I use it all the time on my little folks. It’s amazing how well it works especially on injuries that have gotten really infected.

          For spider bites use an activated charcoal poultice. Nothing works better on black widow, hobo, and recluse bites.

    32. DaisyD says:

      Hello Folks,
      The thing about the banks having their tellers call the cops if one pulls out a large amount of cash from their account is apparently true, and here’s a caught confirmation:

      http://www.newser.com/story/comments/206779/no-crime-no-problem-dea-nabs-guys-life-savings.html

      A poor guy get his 16k$ cash seized by DEA and not returned.

      I personally think they had these other assholes intercept him on a different State so not to draw suspicion to them. I travelled across country and back, couple times using Greyhound and no one ever stop us or searched anybody. And each time the route went as south as through El Paso, TX and Atlanta,GA and as high north as Detroit Michigan.

      If you try to pull your life savings out of bank, hire a lawyer for couple hrs and bring couple armed friends with you to safely escort the cash. These assholes are just that. They have no conscience.
      Just about 2 or 3 months ago, I read this thing about Eric Holden having illegalized the confiscation of goods and assets that law enforcement usually do under the pretext that the victims are supposedly drug dealers. The article says these goons usually just split that shit in between them!!! The article also says that the money these criminals keep to themselves range in the millions if not in the billions yearly. They basically do what the inquisition used to. If they covet one’s wealth, all they have to do is set up false charge and the whole snow balls from there.

      LOOK OUT. THIS SHIT IS REAL…

    33. DaisyD says:

      …I remember now, about 6 months ago, cops did the same thing to couple of poker players. These 2 were on their way to a tournament. They had I think 9k$ on them in cash. Later, as the players hired a lawyer, the scums told them “we’ll give it back if you let us keep 10%!!!!!I mean just what kind of chicken shit is this?!?!? and people are supposed to respect that…

    34. Bert says:

      No collapse, just a new game. World monetary system will be replaced by a 100% electronic only currency, which will be looted at will by taxation. The central banks will get a 10% fee, from both buyer and seller, on each transaction on this 100% electronic monetary system. All dollars and coins currently in circulation will be recalled, you will get 30 days to trade the old money in for the new electronic form, after 30 days all old money will become obsolete and not-legal for trade. Millions of bank employees will become obsolete, the banks don’t care, the banking system members are about to exponentially increase their wealth overnight. The new electronic devices (wallets) for storage of your wealth will be given away free at banks — Of course the people will love the idea, wow a free device, no more dirty stinky money!! Bad news for the stackers… Gold and silver value will be determined by its industrial supply/demand only, this explains why FEDRES/UST/NY/London has such a low opinion on these metals, and are naked shorting them as if the future value of metals is nothing.

      • Bert says:

        add, their main goal is to get all the money into this 100% electronic format, then they will tax the hell out of it. The dollar will remain the dollar, all past contracts will still be valid, the terms of your mortgage or loans will still be the same, the only difference is … no more currency.

      • GrandpaSpeaks says:

        Then comes the EMP. “How much did you say you had? I see your name on several lists here. We have no record of your money, blame the EMP”. I can see this one coming a light year away. Nothing they do now is for the peoples good. Nothing. The potential sale of vaccines drove the Ebola eradication drive. Notice how the crisis evaporated when no vaccine was forthcoming?

    35. Anononamous says says:

      Any railroaders out there? Moms on pension ,need more info please,is it at risk?

    36. Seen2013 says:

      “It’s created a population boom… a population boom has risen in tandem with the debt. It’s incredible.”

      Yet, the population has grown as a result of the Industrial Revolution and affordable energy in addition to food production. What changed is multiple fold:
      1). The Department of Agriculture allocated different areas to dedicate its food production largely in a manner that limits domestic production designed to promote the Delivery Market that is largely last minute.
      2). The EPA through the bastardized version of the ‘green movement’ (the original was a Russian Colonel who lead a revolt against the Lenin’s lies and ambitions but ultimately fell). This has been used to limit land-use under environmental accounting central to sustainable development that enabled politicians such as California from expanding its water reserves and reservoirs designed specifically to alter optimal population size estimates promoted by IT and other largely globalist funded groups and think-tanks.
      3). Globalization serves 3 main goals:
      A). Technological and infrastructure transfer from Western Nations under the supervision of BIS to Developing BRICS namely Russia and China in which an Ex-Soviet officer blew the whistle Russo-Sino tensions were a guise and after 1 sided pacts promoted by globalization would increasingly operate in the open.
      B). It reduces the invention and innovation of Western Nations under BIS supervision depleting capital structure priorities central to capitalism and promoting deficit spending and scarce capital creation. This ultimately reduces the demand for jobs while also promoting a economic system of profiteering or pro-public-private partnerships and mergers IE TPP-TPIP. This allows services to be provided at greater expense to customers aka consumers at depleting quality for quantity.
      C). Harmonizes regulations and enforcement to be more supranationalist friendly during an era supranationalism possesses dwindling support in the post World War II era.

      “So, when the debt bubble bursts we’re going to get a correction in population. It’s a mathematical certainty.”

      Recall, Holdren, Ehlrich, and many others are pro-Eugenics and population control. Man-Made climate change is centrally a call for greater central governmental authorities to eventually ‘remove the ideal reproduction is an individual right’ (Common Sense Renewed), and these are people who view the UN 94 Summit Agreement being with the proper education women would pursue self-interests and collectively control population. And, people may want to search for ‘Eugenics: Re-imaging to Reproductive Health’ originally published in the 1970s prior to Roe V Wade.

      The desired solution is population control through man-made climate change, Keynesian Economics as the ‘analysts’ entail, and central to the war on poverty and homelessness among others…

    37. gruber says:

      One of the bigger culls will happen with the “Millennials”. A more worthless generation I have never seen. They are wedded to technology to the exclusion of experience and reason, they lack emotional maturity, the ability to manage an unexpected environment, passivity, a herd mentality… the list goes on. We will be better off without them. The Goobermint and the school system gave them to us, I’ll be glad to see them go.

    38. Just imagine the mental breakdown when those who believe so heavily in government,See it fail in many ways.
      The whole concept of a piece of paper being worth something. Many people when the concept was passed and accepted,Must have laughed their asses off.The day the gold standard was dropped was the beginning of the end.
      Now,Everyday i see a new article that reflects that the government is getting ready.For the resulting riots and civil unrest.And many wealthy people are leaving for their version of a place to ride out the hell that is coming.

    39. major says:

      And a hand full of corrupt elitists and politicians will be responsible for the biggest mass murder in human history because they used their positions of power to destroy everything that was good in the World to serve their greed.

     
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