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    An Act of War: CIA Leak Gives “Incontrovertible Evidence” That 9/11 Was State Sponsored

    Mac Slavo
    December 16th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    If you have ever questioned the official narrative for the September 11th attacks then you have, without a doubt, been dubbed a conspiracy nut by the establishment media and those who hang on their every word.

    Like the Warren Commission report on the JFK assassination, the 9/11 Report assembled by a Congressional investigation is unraveling and being revealed for what it really is – nothing more than a cover story.

    This is no longer a conspiracy theory… it’s conspiracy fact.

    After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

    But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

    It was kept secret and remains so today.

    President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report. Text isn’t just blacked-out here and there in this critical-yet-missing middle section. The pages are completely blank, except for dotted lines where an estimated 7,200 words once stood

    A pair of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion say they are “absolutely shocked” at the level of foreign state involvement in the attacks.

    Some information already has leaked from the classified section, which is based on both CIA and FBI documents, and it points back to Saudi Arabia, a presumed ally.

    The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

    The New York Post investigation reveals that Saudi agents, officials and operatives in Virginia, Florida, California and D.C. provided direct support by way funding or intelligence to those involved in bringing down the towers.

    Karl Denninger at the Market Ticker succinctly argues that this was, in fact, an act of war:

    It’s obvious given what happened, the logistical and funding requirements and where the hijackers came from along with inexplicable actions immediately following the attacks – unless our government explicitly let certain people flee.

    Yet we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan while helping the Saudis — the very people who attacked us.

    And Obama, to this day, kisses the Saudi King.

    Over three thousands Americans are dead – yet President Obama bows to Saudi King Abdullah, whose government had direct ties to 9/11 hijackers:

    It makes a very convincing case that the Saudi Government was involved in an act of war against the United States.  Not simply terrorism — remember, the Pentagon, a military target, was one of the locations hit.  The other intended target for the plane that went down in PA was the Capitol.

    You awake yet America?

    You damn well should be.

    It’s about damn time that the mainstream media started talking about this — you’re only a decade late, *******s.  And no, people like myself who have been saying this all along are not nuts.  

    We’re right.

    In addition to this startling, yet unsurprising, revelation is even more evidence that those within the Saudi government knew what was coming. Somebody made a ton of money shorting airline stocks by positioning themselves for stock prices to crash in the aftermath of 9/11 and according to Infowars, that may well have been the Chief of Saudi Intelligence and other government officials. Moreover, after all flights within the continental United States were grounded there was one – just one – airplane that was allowed to fly over U.S. soil to, you guessed it, Saudi Arabia. On board that plane were – and this has been confirmed by an official Freedom of Information request – the members of Osama Bin Laden’s extended family.

    And these are but a few of the hundreds of inconsistencies surrounding the September 11th, 2001 attacks.

    As it turns out, the “conspiracy theorists” are the ones who accurately detailed the series of events and those involved in the attacks. The “official story” itself, it seems, is the “conspiracy theory.”

    They’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on securing the United States and preventing another act of terror on U.S. soil. They’ve turned their massive surveillance infrastructure inwards on the American people under the pretext of preserving our safety. They’ve identified hundreds of thousands of Americans and included them on watch lists that restrict their travel or flag them as potential threats to national security.

    Yet the real threat, the one that has been validated by scores of reports and investigations, is being redacted and ignored by our government.

    We know that there is more to 9/11 than the official story.

    It doesn’t just involve the Saudis. America’s air defense, for example, were seemingly disarmed minutes before the attack occurred. Moreover, intelligence agents from Israel were reportedly spotted in New York on the day of, arrested by NYPD, and then released under suspicious circumstances.

    All of this is highly suspect, especially that a mainstream news source like the New York Post would start releasing these details to the general public. As with 9/11, most people couldn’t make sense of it or why. A decade on we have a better perspective because we’ve seen the implementation of initiatives all across America as a result of what happened that day.

    Call it a conspiracy, call it whatever you like, but look around.

    If they lied – yes, lied – about the assassination of a President of the United States, or about Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or the benefits of new health care laws, then what else are they hiding from us?

    How much do you trust your government?

    How much do you trust the official narrative peddled by the establishment?

    How much do you trust that the powers that be have our best interests at heart?

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    Date: December 16th, 2013
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    1. Anonymous says:

      Reserving judgment until I see the censored part of the report.

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      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        That’s their hope.

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        • Gunner says:

          Our whole government should be fricken’ redacted.

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          • Shooter says:

            So true and they all have be bought and paid for so they won’t do a thing about it. We have been taken over by the highest bidder.

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            • Gods Creation says:

              It was sponsored by the Saudi’s, but was not possible without the blessing of the US corp.

              They MUST keep it hidden because it is obvious that for the Saudi’s to pull it off the corps assistance was required.

              If the Saudis are guilty, so is the corp that protects them. 1+1=2.

              Nothing new really. We knew it all along and there was already ample proof and evidence of the facts. The corp will still deny it and push it’s “official” story, and the sheep will continue to believe it.

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              • Gold Leader says:

                It’s only a matter of time until the entire story comes down in a heap of flames. It may be a while, but it’s coming. This is only the next domino to fall. The whole official story is bullshit, those involved are all bullshit. The masses ARE waking up, however slowly, to the FACT that we’ve been duped about everything from 9/11 to the soon-to-be-destroyed economy. Stay on target….stay on target….

                Gold Leader standing by.

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                • The Parkman says:

                  You want to find out the real story of 9-11? Depose, under extreme duress, the entire board of the Carlyle Group.

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                • CalDre says:

                  Yes, and the ueber-zionist NYPost is trying to pin the tail on Saudi Arabia, while ignoring the numerous Israeli links. Israel is so protected they weren’t even considered by the 9/11 commission – just like “demolition” wasn’t even considered by NIST (they played with their fairy-tail model for two years until they found some way the buildings would conceivably collapse as they did without use of demolition explosives).

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                • Peter Radon says:

                  Gold Leader, you are right – there were no hijackers – 7 of the supposed 19 showed up alive. They were mere window dressing. The planes were remote controlled. Those idiots, who took a few flying lessons couldn’t fly a crop-duster. Peter

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              • Anonymous says:

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                • Gods Creation says:

                  We is a generic term referring to those who are awake and on this board, those who are likely to read the comment.

                  I would think there is not a soul with the sense to prep that believes the official story lies.

                  If you are not one of the we, the comment was not meant for you. You can continue to believe the “official” story.

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              • JustMe says:

                When all of their previous lies have failed, they try yet again…

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              • Cede says:

                Oh, so now we’re blaming the Saudis and claiming a couple of Israelis helped them out. Master Stroke!!!! Shifting the blame to hide the facts, yet again. Dirty foreigners from third world countries did it. Brilliant!! I’d like to know though, how the Saudis got hold of the Tomahawk cruise missile that left a small hole in the Pentagon. Wonder who gave it to them and what ship or plane it was lunched from?
                I guess we’re gearing up to invade Saudi Arabia so we can steal more oil and assets!!! From yet another country. Yawn.
                If anyone wants to red thumb me, please do so, especially if you still believe in the official story or you believe in the Osama Bin Laden myth. Should be a good gauge to see how many idiots are still sleeping.

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              • Israel not the Saudis. Wake up.

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                • Heather says:

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                • Stephan Kovacs says:

                  Yes lets blame everything on Israel, even though we are one of Israel’s only friends. What knuckleheads think of this shit?

                  I have an idea lets just blow up Eastern Jerusalem (the Arab Section), and blame it on Israel. Then we can go to the aid of the Palestinian people, and start an alliance with the Middle East especally Iran. We can then give Iran the green light to launch a few nukes at Tel Aviv. Oh it gets better. With Israel out of the picture we can make friends with all the Arab countries. As a result gas will go back down to $1.00 a gallon.

                  What I want to know is why Israel has a bad reputation. Yes they killed some innocent Palestinians, only after Israel is savagely attacked first. For example, bus and nightclub bombings. Plus don’t give me that shit about stealing the Palestinians land. That was England’s fault after WWII. The Israeli’s should be occupying Germany, and not the Middle East.

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              • bharford says:

                No mention of Israel in any of this garbage piece of journalism?

                All this despite the fact that 150 Mossad Agents were arrested on 911, including a Van containing explosives on the GW bridge, multiple Israelis caught celebrating and filming the FIRST Plane hit…?

                What a Joke.
                911 was a J E W job.

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                • mark says:

                  To Heather- you are refering to the scripture that states whoever blesses ( true) Israel will be blessed by God and those curseing Israel would be cursed by God.We have been blessing that bastard state since 1947, has our country risen or fallen since then? I believe the USA has been subject to the 2nd part of that scripture not the first. I believe we are being cursed for “blessing” Gods Enemies the Israelies who are poseing as true Israel but are of the synagog of Satan (Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9). Jesus told the people we refer to as jews that they were the children of their father satan ( John 8:44 ).

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                • Stephan Kovacs says:

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              • toscaq says:

                911 then 311, both attacks on America one by way of Japan.. Our public officals are fully in the loop and part of The Plan. Here is an example of our upcoming One World Government leaders re: the biggest crisis in modern history. Such unconcern for the environment- yet they harp endlessly on the “global warming” fraud.
                Current Pres of UNSC & French Ambassador to the UN at press conference in NY. Dont think the poisoning of the planet is an accident–
                see @ 55:30.
                http://webtv.un.org/watch/g%C3%A9rard-araud-france-president-of-the-security-council-on-the-programme-of-work-for-the-month-of-december-2013-press-conference/2890034080001

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              • Peter Radon says:

                Saudis had nothing to do with it – it was a Zionist operation, through and through

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              • Peter Radon says:

                Saudis had nothing to do with 9/11 – it was a totally Zionist action, meant to benefit Israel.

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              • Chancery says:

                most likely the other way around, America (or a few people in america) needed saudi arabia to help them. It would be much easier to get a saudi to kill US citizens than to get Americans to do it. Saudis did it for the money. America did it for the money and the takeover of the middle east.

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              • Diana says:

                GW and HG Bush were very good friends with the Saudis. Why would the Saudis do this to their good friends, unless they thought they were helping them in some way? GW wanted an excuse for attacking Iraq.

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            • C. Gonzo says:

              Hey Shooter, congress isn’t exactly bought and paid for – their game is Extoriion – read ‘EXTORTION How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets’ by Peter Schweizer – those in congress are sleazier than you think. On the other front, the 911 terrorist (aka US government) attacks ‘WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?’ by Judy Wood give proof positive that the towers were brought down by a scalar weapon. Who would have the means to use such a weapon? Only the government with it’s endless supply of ‘out-of-thin-air’ money.

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          • Walt Kowalski says:

            I’d suggest redacting them by giving them long drops at the end of short ropes.

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            • durango kidd says:

              I would bet real money that the Mossad had a hand in this operation; especially since court documents show that a Mossad operative purchased the WTC and placed a $4 billion insurance policy on the property, while buying it for $3 billion with $100 million down, less than 90 days before.

              This individual admitted in court that Building 7 was wired for demolition. Israel had the most to gain from this act of war, although the Saudis, gained from the disposal of Saddam, without doing it themselves. Iraq has now been divided into three parts.

              History will show that these two agencies and some rogue element of our own government were involved. Can you say, “New World Order”?

              Engage your employees or be False Flagged by them, one lie at a time. :-)

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              • durango kidd says:

                BTW, this greedy bastard was only exposed after he tried to collect on the insurance more than once! There is a reason for historical stereotypes, my peeps. LMAO! :-)

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              • Hunter says:

                Excellent analysis DK!

                I hadn’t zeroed in on the money side that much.
                Thanks for the info and thumbs up to ya!

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Hunter: There are three prime movers in the affairs of men by men: money, power, and sex.

                  Go with money first as it buys the other two; even if its just fiat! :-)

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              • Tactical says:

                DK: Amen to you as a fellow American who is well aware of the tribal crimes. I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up. Thank You.

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              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama; Glad to see you are still breathing. I was missing you (kiss)! Hey WE are all still waiting for you to describe your “marketplace approach” to currency and a system to substitute for the mechanisms of the FED.

                  Com’on brainiac! WE are all holding OUR collective breath for your vision!!! Be sure to explain to US how stable your system would be, how it would encourage investment, sustain global commerce and create jobs in America!!! LMAO! :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  @the durango kidd

                  It would be very easy to END THE FED.

                  Congress could write the following bill, and the President could sign it.

                  1. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and all subsequent amendments to that Act are revoked.

                  2. The gold that belongs to the United States government, and which is kept on deposit with the Federal Reserve System, is hereby transferred to account of the United States Treasury.

                  If the FED has made any secret agreements with other central banks regarding the ownership of that gold, those arrangements would become legally null and void. The FED would own no gold of its own to deliver. Ownership would revert to the United States government.

                  Is that clear enough for you DK?

                  The Fascist central banking system which you support MUST come to an END.

                  You call yourself a patriot, but yet support a system of control and evil (Central Banking). A system that if left unchallenged, will most likely lead to the extinction of mankind.

                  Q: How can you reconcile a Central Bank with freedom?

                  “Com’on brainiac! WE are all holding OUR collective breath for your vision!!!”

                  A: You can’t!

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: According to testimony before Congress, Bernanke stated that the FED does not own any gold. The gold is owned by the US Government.

                  Yes, the FED can be “redacted” but the services that it supplies as a clearing house and monitor of the money supply must still be managed by some one, some agency, even if its the US Treasury.

                  So again I ask, how do WE eliminate the mechanisms and systems of the FED? How does eliminating the FED solve the problem of the value of OUR currency and the transfer of American wealth to the Third World under “Free Trade”?

                  If you are suggesting that a gold back dollar would magically solve OUR economic and monetary problems, you would be WRONG again! LMAO!

                  As long as FREE TRADE (the managed trade of NAFTA, GATT, WTO and TTP) is the law of the land, the American economy, its currency, and its wealth will decline to the detriment of its citizens.

                  Try again, because you still haven’t provided a reasonable answer to the necessary mechanisms and services of the FED. Please explain your “market currency” and how that would be a panacea for OUR problems! :-)

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              • Walt Kowalski says:

                No offense intended here DK….but do you now see why I say that voting isn’t going to make a lick of difference? These people have rigged the game.

                The only thing that can turn this thing around is to expose these traitors and then deal with them with extreme prejudice.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Walt: Under the present two party, NWO system,voting doesn’t make much difference, but I suspect that had either McLame, or Mitt had been elected, things would be different. Maybe not much better, but not this bad.

                  Even Romney Care in Massachusetts worked for Massachusetts.

                  The system must be changed. It cannot be changed from within. It must be changed at the grass roots level with American Patriots taking control of their local governments and then moving up the chain, backed by 100 million American gun owners.

                  Infiltrate the Tea party and take over the Retards. That’s a viable strategy. Engage! :-)

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              • Tucker says:

                Another disinformation piece of garbage designed to try again to shift the finger of blame away from the Israelis and their 5th column of treasonous, mentally insane neo-con psychopaths who were the primary architects behind the false flag attack on America on September 11, 2001.

                The author of this piece of crap needs to sit down and watch the Mike Delaney documentary 9-11 Missing Links.

                Israel did it. Just like they did the Lavan Affair, the King David Hotel Bombing, the attack and attempt to sink the USS Liberty and murder its entire crew and then pin it on Egypt in order to trick the USA into getting involved in their 1967 war with Egypt. Oh, and do we all remember that ‘Middle Eastern’ connection that was briefly exposed in the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing but quickly dropped and then the whole thing was pinned on McVeigh and how eager the government was to execute him? That was also Israeli engineered, and was probably intended to try to do what they eventually succeeded in doing after the false flag attack on 9-11 – namely, manipulate the USA and its gullible and easily snookered population of couch potatoes into starting wars against all of the enemies of the criminal state of Israel.

                Mac Slavo has just exposed himself as a disinfo agent.

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                • Israhell says:

                  Couldn’t have put it better myself. Anyone who says Israhell is NOT responsible is either an idiot or a dis-info agent.

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                • IMNAHA says:

                  I be 97 % in agreement with your comment. The only disagreement is that I don’t know who had / has the Directed Energy Weapon Technology that actually dustified the WTC. Common Sense would say the U.S.CorpGov but the ZIOs are so far up our keister it could have been a shared operation…

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                • Justsomeguy151 says:

                  People keep blaming Israel as if all Israelis or Jews are behind these criminal schemes. Its the zionists, Rothschilds and their ilk (who also control the Israeli as well as the US govts), not Israel the people. Is the US govt the American people? Of course not. The Banksters control both Israel’s and the US govt’s and CIA/Mossad. Americans are led to believe that they have a say in govt but if that were true, the real criminals (Bush jr, Cheney and the whole cartel and their accomplices) would have swung from a rope for 911 and the Patriot Act. Obumma stole the election by claiming to be the opposite of Bush jr bt fr all intents and purposes, they may as well be twins. Don’t lose sight of the TRUE enemy, the Banksters(Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Morgans/Federal Reserve/Bank of London/Vatican), and their catspaws the US and Israeli govts.

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                • JerryS says:

                  I keep telling people these so-called patriot websites are just disinformation outlets. Alex Jones first and foremost among them. Wild Bill is another. The easy way to tell which one IS NOT a disinformation site: Do they tell the truth about Israhell, the Zionists, etc. If they don’t, they are disinformation sites. They are easily recognizable by constantly fanning the flames of hatred between Americans and the Muslim world. Most Muslims are smart enough to distinguish between America’s GOVT and the general populace. I wish I could say the same of my fellow Americans. Look at Syrian Girl on u tube. Y’all could learn a few things from here. And by “y’all,” I mean the brainwashed sheeple who think the country that attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 is “our staunch ally,” What a crock.

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                • Stephan Kovacs says:

                  I guess I’m an idiot. Sure Israel did it, because we helped save them from extinction from the Germans. They also hate the Billions of dollars we give them a year for defense. Israeli’s also hates our tourism dollars. Without the United States Israel would be defeated by it’s Middle Eastern neighbors.

                  Answer this for me smart ass. Do you think the Jews enjoyed being displaced out of there homes in Europe after the war? Do you think my people like the fucking sand?

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              • shotgunfetus says:

                Wasn’t that lease holder of building 7 interviewed and I remember him saying ” we decided to pull it” which means demo it , so it was previously wired for demo which takes a while , right?

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            • anon says:

              The only thing Flag poles are any good for is making politicians dance the hemp fandango from!

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          • john says:

            and don’t forget, the saudi goverment are a bunch of zionists, why do you think saudis and isreal are friends today

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            • ENFP says:

              Don’t think it is correct to call Saudis zionists. The ones behind the whole thing, our government, the Mossad and basically the ones pulling all the strings are those behind the New World Order, probably the Bilderberg group. Many are Jews but that doesn’t mean they intend for Israel to take over the world. They intend to take over the world. The nation of Israel, communism and now even Islam are only steps along that road.

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          • Jules says:

            You got that right Gunner!!!!!!

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        • jameyinct says:

          Really. Even though this piece is trying to distract again peoople from the real culprit which was the American government, maybe with the help of the Saudis. You have to know to was an inside job. If you don’t you are a moron. Plain and simple. The fact that you need to wait for things that’s are blacked out by Bush is crazy. Why do you think they were redacted. Let’s guess. You think it’s for national security.Please respond and defend yourself.

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        • shiftless says:

          Wrong. If anything it makes the “inside job” theory even stronger. Do you think the Saudis acted alone? If they did, then why would our government help cover it up?

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        • Not at all. The US government seemed to know things as, or before they happened. The Saudi government were suspected all along as being part of the operation.

          What exactly happened may never be known but it was not just some guys that took some planes.

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        • braveheart says:

          GG, there’s no question 911 was an inside job. anyone who accepts the govt.’s official version without question is one of the biggest damned fools around.

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          • Tucker says:

            Remember how Bush and Cheney, when asked to drop over and give their statements about 9-11 – that the arrogant bastards sent back word that they would only agree to do so if 3 requirements were met?

            1. They would be interviewed together and not separately.
            2. They would not be required to be under oath.
            3. No audio or video recordings of their testimony would be allowed.

            So, hey, boys and girls. How many cop shows have we all watched on TV for the last 30 or so years? A couple thousand, right? Well, what is the first thing the cops do when they haul in a bunch of suspects off the street when they are investigating a crime?

            They put them in separate interrogation rooms and question them individually and then they compare the answers each of the suspects give with the answers that the other suspects gave, right? To see if their stories match. They look for inconsistencies and try to determine who is telling the truth and who is lying, right?

            Oh, and by avoiding being placed under oath – even a moron ought to be able to grasp that this was an attempt to avoid a future perjury charge, just in case one of these criminal bastards said something that was later determined to be false.

            So, while it is clear that the Israelis were complicit in 9-11, it is also clear as day that they had the cooperation and blessing and approval of the highest ranking turds in the Bush Administration.

            Time for a new investigation. And, let’s get started early, building the gallows that will be used to hang every last one of these treasonous SOBs.

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        • Cdn Patriot says:

          How do you figure? Guess who the Saudi Government would have worked with to accomplish the deed? Your name says a lot. You gave a great government guy response.

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          • Ranger says:

            Right on, Cdn Patriot. Makes me wonder if some people who still have the blinders on, like Gov’t Guy, even realize what’s going on at all. Clearly they haven’t shed their shackles yet. God help ‘em. Take care. Like Gold Ldr said: “Government Guy. Fitting.” We ain’t shocked either.

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          • Them Guys says:

            TUCKER: I agree what you said of OK Buildg and McVeigh events…I Recall several articles not long after Patriot act #1 was signed as law etc….Those articles basically proved that Klinton when Prez Already Had the orig patriot act Bill copy ON His Oval Office Desk waiting for the “Proper” event/timing to spring it upon dumbed down sheep americans…The articles I recall also stated that not much of anything was changed when patriot act was finally passed with Bush jr. Main changes from Klintons version was that klintons had a clause to Ban 2nd amendt and force a gun turn in within 10 days of passage into law etc…That part got removed by the bush team or whoever…

            Its so damn Obvious…1st they did WACO with every major MSM PRE Trained on what to report, and blame proguners, white Males etc etc….BUT Waco just wasn’t “Big” enough….SO…Next try #2= OK buildg and McVeigh….That was way Bigger event…But…Not..Quite enough…SO…Try again, same as Bolshevik jewdeo communists in 1918 Russia…#3rd try was a grand success! IE:#3= 9/11 events.

            Thats main reason No us reps or senators needed to first Read that 4000 page Patriot act crap…Because most all have been In office since klintons terms and already KNEW what was included in those 4000 pages of patriot act ever since 1993 or earlier!

            With State of Israel, AIPAC-ADL-SPLC-AJC-+300 More like orgs assisting in the writing of, Bribes paid off, Threats of elections loss, and of course Massive Threats to get the tribe owned MSM TV and Jewspapers nationwide to create huge headlines accusing naysayers of Racisim, and antisemitisim unless they all Pass patriot act crap to Offically create the New SOVIET of AmeriKa USSA corp.

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      • Smokey says:

        Same here, but I’ve maintained for 20 years we should occupy the Saudi oilfields, pipeline corridors, and the port. Take their oil and starve the bastards. The western world has given them trillions of dollars for their oil, and their culture has not progressed into the modern age.

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        • Walt Kowalski says:

          I’ve always maintained that developing the middle-east oil fields was a colossal mistake.

          We’ve given money and technology to a bunch of goat-herders with a 7th century mentality…..The equivalent of giving whiskey and car keys to teen-aged boys.

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      • JayJay says:

        http://whatreallyhappened.com/

        Be sure to go to bottom of page, Dec. 15…8:26 and check out the backpacks.
        Yeah, our own again did this too. Then ran!!!

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      • RICH99 says:

        You can’t think critically for yourself I guess …..you need the lamestreet media to tell you what to think !!
        Just the fact that 3 ….3…..3 fucking buildings ALL fell in SIMILIAR FREE FALL FASHION …..what more do you need ??????

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        My kitchen stove didn’t collapse when I turned on the self cleaning knob.

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      • If you were hit in the head with a shovel, you wouldnt wait for the coroners report .. would you?

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      • Anonymous says:

        This is another rabit hole….can’t anyone see that this is just a red herring perpetuated by the same agents who were responsible for the 911 events. Stop biting at the carrots they keep hanging out in fron of your noses. The goal of all of this is to drag America (not the US) into a war of all wars. It is the dragons last ditch attempt to destroy the remainder of “her” seed. How long must we sacrifice our sons and daughters to idols? This is a spiritual war folks. Get a grip.

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      • Alex Jones doesn’t even acknowledge the “dancing Israelis” so quoting his site doesn’t help the credibility of this article.

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      • Manatowoc says:

        keep saying it and it will in time become what really happened. But, it is not what really happened and it is not the last of this countries political travail.
        I am surprised this article is supported by Jeff Rense.com.

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      • June says:

        Some fools still believe the conspiracy theory that 19 Arab terrorist single-handedly hijacked these planes and then steered them into the buildings?

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      • Human as YOU says:

        Really?? what does it take to awaken people?? Building 7 fell and no plane hit it, the Pentagon has a round hole in it… no sign of the wings, flight 93s tail was a few miles from where the plane crashed… are people in USA sedated?? oh I forgot… they are! gezzzzz

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      • Clearview says:

        It’s similair to Hitler’s attack burning Reichstag, Berlin.. :(

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      • Ajeocci says:

        It is pretty obvious, from all the information available, that the destruction of the Twin Towers was an inside job. The Saudis may have had some part in it since the so-called “Royal Family” and the Bush family are practically joined at the hip, but the main perpetrators appear to be the ruling elite. Also, there is little to no evidence that a plane actually crashed in Pennsylvania. As investigations dig deeper into the 9-11 “Attacks”, the more the “official” versions begin to collapse. There is so much information out there, and in spite of different points of view, major facts coincide, and the stories in the Lame Stream Media look totally false. The documentary DVD’s, “Loose Change”, and Loose Change II”, are excellent sources, and uncover many details that probably not even the perpetrators of the event thought about.

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      • JerryS says:

        Everyone knows it was the Jews, including EVERYONE in the Arab/Muslim World, and Europe (as evidenced by PUBLIC statements by members of the Italian Govt).
        For an eye opener, do an internet search and see how many of these “terrorist” incidents were accompanied by drills. Here’s a short list: Sandy Hook. Aurora. Oklahoma City Murrah Fed Bldg, 777 tube bombing in London. 9/11. Waco. Fertilizer plant fire in West, Texas, and about 50 more.
        The terrorists are the jews both in Israhell and the US GOVT, and the criminal Bush Family and Cheney and Schumer and Feinstein and Bloomberg and Rahm Emanuel, etc, etc, etc

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      • John says:

        Try Dr. J. Wood’s book “Where Did the Towers Go” to get the little know facts which make the whole picture crystal clear. For example, do you remember Hurricane Erin on 911? You know the one right off the coast of NYC which the corporate media totally ignored leading up to 911. Why would they do that?

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    2. KY Mom says:

      I doubt we will ever know the full truth about 9/11.

      The governemnt don’t want us to.

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      • Agreed — we’ll never know the full extent of the conspiracy. I am sure thousands of pages of documents and video evidence (like the 70+ cameras from around the Pentago) have been disappeared.

        Video of interest not included in the main article: BBC reports WTF Building 7 Collapses, but it’s still standing:

        (Watch at Youtube)

        Just sayin…

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        • Heirloominati says:

          Edited :
          LOTS of rope.
          MANY trees.

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        • If this one video does not cause viewers to question the official story then nothing will.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

          I think that comes from Napoleon, but it could as well have been some Sumarian.

          Certainly our security agencies cannot be accused of a surfeit of competence over the last few administrations.

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        • SoapDish says:

          Hey Mac,

          How very true! I would also like to see the video footage of the 5 black vans seen at the same time every day two weeks prior to 9/11. They keep going into the parking garage under the towers early in the morning and then leave early enough before office workers showed up. All of those video tapes gone.

          Saudi Arabia has never been an ally of the United States, right along with a lot of those other Arab countries.
          When it all comes down to it, the American people will be standing alone in the fight that is coming.

          B aware, B Awake, B Alive

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          • Diana says:

            And yet, Saudi Arabia help GW get elected. They convinced Muslims in the U.S. to vote for him. The Saudi King and GW, as well as his Daddy, were best buds.

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      • KY Mom says:

        Oops. That should be

        The government doesn’t want us to know.

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        • D in Idaho says:

          Hey, you’re from Kentucky, so it’s all good!

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        • KY Mom,

          In the period leading up to 9/11 not one but two flight schools, one in Arizona the other in Florida, contacted the FBI with concerns about Muslim flight students who were taking flying lessons but they were not interested in learning how to land. The queries went nowhere and there was no follow up from the FBI according to the flight schools.

          If the FBI either cannot or will not connect two glaringly obvious dots such as these, there is no way they can protect us or themselves from future coordinated attacks.

          It’s not a matter of if but when there is another attack on U.S. soil.

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          • nopittypartyhere says:

            @ anyone not familiar, read james bamford shadow factory. He lays out all the dots, and the obstructionists who didn’t connect them for multitude of ‘reasons’

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            • We still do not know who the passengers were on those charted flights that flew around the U.S. picking up Saudi nationals AFTER the national airspace system was shut down to all except military flights following the attacks. The charted flights flew the Saudi passengers out of the country to unknown destinations. The FAA will not divulge the passenger manifests or flight plans to this day.

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        KY Mom:

        I want to first thank you for all your informative posts and links you put on shtf.

        I know you are always looking for info on the internet. I can tell you there is a monsterous amount of info about 9/11.

        In a post further down on this page .02 tells you exactly what happened on 9/11.

        9/11 was perpetrated on the American people to drag us into war in the Middle East and also to set up the evil Patriot Act; the one that allows our government lawless control over every Americans life. Isn’t it amazing that they would name a law “The Patriot Act”, the act that plans to destroy every patriot in America. TPTB must be laughing at how stupid Americans really are.

        This article is to continue to stir up our hatred of the people in the Middle East; at some point TPTB wants to use our American kids as gun fodder in the war to finish off their NWO scheme to own the world.

        In every war that America has entered into the MSM helped brainwash Americans until we were ready and drooling to go to war for TPTB’s trumped up “just cause”.

        WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN?

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        • John Q. Public says:

          Bullseye, Granny, bullseye!

          Lots of sharpshooters are on target today!

          Key fact about this particular “revelation of the method”: “This article is to continue to stir up our hatred of the people in the Middle East; at some point TPTB wants to use our American kids as gun fodder in the war to finish off their NWO scheme to own the world.”

          Nuremberg 2

          Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

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          • Tactical says:

            OC, You are a prime example of useful idiots.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Yes indeed, Old Coach, they will do that when they reign supreme.

            Here’s one of many references to their genocidal teaching about beheading Christians for “idolatry” ( avodah zarah) of Jesus Christ. Scroll down to the Commentary on Halacha 1:
            http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/912369/jewish/Chapter-Ten.htm

            “… a gentile who worships false gods is liable, [for the death penalty] provided he worships them in the accepted manner. A gentile is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment.” Maimonides, Hilchot Melachim XI, Mishneh Torah

            “The Christians are idolaters, and Sunday is their holiday…”
            Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Avodah Zorah, 9;4

            “The Christians are worshipers of Avodah Zorah (“idolatry”)”
            Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Ma’akhalot Assurot, 11:7

            The online Jewish Encyclopedia previously affirmed that the proper punishment of Christians is beheading. That statement has been removed since I last checked it a year ago.

            Maybe this time you can get it right. They want to kill US, NOT vice versa.

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            • Ploni Almoni says:

              I’m Jewish and I don’t want to kill any Christians and resent the implication by this bigot. I suspect “JQ Public” is a Nazi. Contemporary Christians, who are monotheists (believers that there is only One God) are not idolaters. Those who worship stones (eg Baal) or their own egos and believe stone idols are God or they have such big egos that they worship themselves are committing a sin of idolatry. Perhaps this applied to some hybrid pagan/Christians over 800 hundred years ago, when Maimonides lived. Most American Christians live in complete harmony with the 7 Noahide laws for non Jews, which provide a universal moral code. Educate yourself/judge for yourself. Research the 7 Noahide laws. Below is a good description. http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm

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              • Tactical says:

                Ohhhh……First a typical Nazi label to use for the truth tellers and now advising non jews to use the Jewish universal moral code? Jewish Moral code????? Is this the same as what Bernie Madoff and many others like him are believing and following? Or is it the same as working with Saudis to hire sub humans from their neighboring tribes to behead Christian / Muslims kids and women in Syria?

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              • Only Truth says:

                Whatever “resentment” you have, the rabbis teach genocide and a Master Race creed.

                If you don’t like that, resent them and repudiate them, the ones who teach it and the Zionists who do follow it with their genocide and economic crimes against the goyim.

                STOP LYING. Christians who worship Jesus Christ as True God and True Man most definitely are avodah zarah ( “idolaters”) so are liable under the phony “Noachide” halacha for death by beheading.

                Notice that the Chabad link (follows because of “moderation” to the rule is MODERN, not some forgotten vestige. Read the Israeli press and you will see that the rabbis’ exhortation and their Zionist followers’ genocide is most definitely CURRENT EVENTS.

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              • Only Truth says:

                Your link to the Chabad deception is quite telling. To deceive the Gentiles, the rabbis will often claim (as Steven Spielberg also lied in his Schindler movie) that the Oral Torah teaches “Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world,” but that is a lie. What you linked is a highly sanitized version of the actual “Noachide Laws.” Here is one excellent example of how the rabbis are lying.

                The Oral Torah actually teaches that only a Jew’s life is so valuable. The Tractate actually reads:

                “FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD.”
                Sanhedrin 37a (Soncino translation)

                Google it and see for yourself who is lying.

                Incidentally most of my posts are being spiked by “moderation.”

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              • Them Guys says:

                You Just PROVED that YOU JEWS believe You are supperior to us Goyims as Your tribe calls all of us non jews…

                WHY are jews exempt from those 7 law?…You Phony Self chozen self worshipping fools are actually KHAZARS that converted to Talmudic belifs ONLY since 750-AD era…THEN afterwards began to call yourselves “jews” and “jewish”.

                Disclaimer: In reality there are NO and Never were ANY such thing as 7 noahide laws. They exist Only in Talmudic judaic minds as the “laws” Their tribes desries to Impose upon Unsuspecting gentiles worldwide as the main leagle system for Their NWO-aka-Jwo.

                A Better term would be the “ANTICHRIST LAW” system for complete Jwo control in a NWO with their spiritual Father Satan at the helm…Not on Our watch!

                YOUR Own Jew almanacs and encyclopedias all Admit modern day “jews” are NOT in any way related by blood or otherwise to original 12 tribed israelites.

                I and several Others here has many times Posted the exact quoted references that supplied such infos. Supplied BY jewish cources, ABOUT, the Fraud called “jews”.

                Just a few articles Back I Again Re posted the full latest DNA revelations that are FROM a Jewish scientist, and who’s DNA-Proof of Khazar race/peoples etc was Published After being Peer reviewed by Hebrew univ IN Israel, and finally Published By Prestigious John Hopkins Hosp into a medical Journal type report.

                DNA that Proves at Least 98%+ of todays “jewish” folks are really decended From Khazars of the kingdom of khazaria which later became Russia.

                Your Chabad’s and Talmud are what Jesus called “The Synagouge of Satan”…And are decendant from Cain, whos father was Satan. JOHN 8:44 for Reference.

                Sorry but many more folks are wakeing up, and your tribes constant crys of antisemite, or jew haters, or wild falacious 6 million claims have as JQP stated…Lost It’s MOJO!…Once fully awake and jew/khazar wised up….Folks are no longer falling for claims as such from the, Only Victims that ever matter, in their tribal minds anyways.

                Not only Christians who Know real truth, but americans And europeans from every walk of life have gotten Royally Fed Up with Your tribes constant satanic devices of Nation Wreckings in Every nation idiotic enough to Host such nation wreckers….So Forget appealing to folks sympathies here or calling Good Honest poster folks here a nazi etc…That Mojo has Sunk deeply. We are too smart to be fooled again once awake.

                If You believe 13 million wordlwide jews are always totally innocents and its just the Rest of 7 billion folks that are All evil nazis…Perhaps You need to awaken eh. Your tribe aint got Booted from 109 nations a grand total of aprox 250 times, for being innocent victims. Factual History don’t lie…Talmudics Do! as Taught BY their rabbis and Talmud.

                The tribes biggest mistake was to attempt doing to america what they did to Russia et al in 1918..Its gonna Backfire Big time on all of their satanic tlmudic desires.

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                • RODDY says:

                  ALL OF YOU SHOULD SEE THAT RELIGION IS THE REAL ENEMY BECAUSE IT IS SO DEVISIVE/UNSUBSTANTIATED POOPYCOCK DESIGNED TO BLIND MANKIND…

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              • Vincent says:

                The most serious error made by certain circles in the Christian world that feel sympathy for Zionism is thinking that this ideology is based on a religious foundation. But atheist Zionism was a completely irreligious ideology in the minds of its founders and it continues to be so today in the ideas it promotes. It took over the racism of the Talmud and the “changing of history” project from the Kabala and reinterpreted them, again in an irreligious way, for their purposes.

                The identity of the founders of this movement is very enlightening in this regard. First of all, it is known that the founder of political Zionism, Theodore Herzl, did not have a religious consciousness. And the leader of the movement after Herzl, Max Nordau, openly proclaimed that he was an atheist. The basic intention of the founders of the ideology and those that followed them was to protect the purity of the Jewish race. Max Nordau responded to the criticism that Zionism (atheist Zionism) was not a religion but a racist ideology by saying that he was of the same view as his critics.1

                Indeed, the ideas that influenced founders of atheist Zionism like Herzl and Nordau and the generations that followed them were from 19th century European anti-religious ideology. One of the clearest examples of this is Zeev Jabotinsky, known as the founder of right-wing atheist Zionism . He admired Hitler and Mussolini and wanted to establish a Jewish version of the racist ideology of these fascist dictators. Lenni Brenner, an expert on the history of Zionism, writes of Jabotinsky :

                It is easy to see the sources of Jabotinsky’s racism. The bourgeois world of the early 20th Century was inundated by social-Darwinist theories of natural biological conflicts between races, and these ideas soon took root among the early Zionists.

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            • Not them guys says:

              You prove your ignorance of Judaism by posting rabbinical commentary, written by a rabbi who lived in the 12th century. Commentary is obviously not law. Why don’t you look up the actual law? There are 613 mitzvot.

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              • Soulja says:

                Oh My God, you so called ”jews” do not believe in God, and got everything you asked for, he split the fucking sea for you, he gave you a lamb of gold, he gave you a place to be, he freed your people, and yet you chose to say ”no we don’t believe in god” but you jews chose to believe in Satan and his ways, in approximately 750 AD. After figuring out that the new world would not accept people who oppose god, does not believe in god, and being the reason of prophets being dead. ;) Throughout the history jews were always the traitors and snitches when it came to religion, destroy and kill prophets and their words of God.
                Why do you think that GOD condemned the jews?
                And the rest of the world did not wan’t anything to do with ”jews”?
                And Beheading anyone for thinking Jesus is the god, or gods son is so wrong, though it does not make people who believe that Jesus actually is god, or his son, better either, in this point the jews have right, but still not a reason to kill anyone nor keep them captive, Jesus is not god, nor is he gods son, Jesus is a man that was chosen by god, to be the one to deliver gods message to humans, living in a chaotic world that needed to be changed if we humans wanted to find real peace and harmony.
                Jews are not believers in God, but the opposite, why should they throughout history try to stop the evolution, and spreading of ”God”?
                And now they try to Eliminate the Muslims, with Americas help, that’s the easiest way, since Islam is the Religion spreading fastest, and most, since the beginning of 1 God Religions beginning, Since the Majority of the Christians do not believe in god anymore. make the world fight so they have the world as Satan promised them if they did their job good

                ”FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD.”

                Israeli people will never have enough with what they have, proof is also the Israel Palestine war, since Palestine was grounded in 1947, they keep taking more and more land from the Palestinian people, they have taken over America too, they are making them fight the whole world, killing people, and eliminating the leaders of other countries who could be dangerous for Israel, not America, and their people, and they also kill American men, by sending them to die in wars, decreasing the American population bit by bit, so they can take over America by ease when they all are sent off to war, dying for their country, the country they have lost to Zionist and being manipulated by, actually America has lost their country long ago.

                Do you remember that back through ancient history, and to recent history mysterious black caped people wandered the world, performing mysterious rituals, thought to be black magic, and calling forth the Satan or Demons?

                Now if u think about it, wasn’t it jews who got condemned by God to wander the lands forever?
                Wasn’t it Jews who sold out prophets and also killed Christians and now when the majority of the Christians don’t believe in god anymore, they have turned their attention to the Muslims? Sounds kinda weird, that when the Majority of the Christians begin to actually stop believing in God, and Jesus, manipulated by Bush, to think that not even god can protect you from attacks of terrorists, I am the only one who can ”protect” you, and since they needed someone to blame, they chose not to blame a country, or specific terrorists, but the Muslims, and Islam, they could have blamed it on some fake agents, catch fake victims, make better proofs for their theory, and made a fake trial and record it, and been done with it, but the Muslims had to pay for something the ”American” government has done? What the hell is this? Why? What are they Planning next huh? :)

                Wake up guys, those who still are under their control, the things that the prophets of God told us, that God wanted, wasn’t it peace, and to be able to respect each other and each others differences, to be able to walk the the streets without fearing that any second an ”American” ”NATO” ”UN” Soldier could kill me, my child, my husband/wife and eliminate the whole city? as long as there is war, as long as there is hate to God, there will never be peace, the zionists will try to eliminate everything that has to do with ”God” and create a modern ”god”, and a modern ”prophet”, isn’t it astonishing that Obama wants to make a ”new world order”? He actually want’s to change the world and thinks himself that he is the new prophet and the one manipulating him is the ”god” but it is in reality Satans Prophet, he comes to eliminate every religion and create a new one, he want’s to be the ruler of the world, and make the rules of the world, so either America is trying to create it’s own history, since they don’t have any conquers nor any specific religious nor important person, nor history, since Europeans took to ”America”, killed all ”Americans” and killing each other, or they have been manipulated by the Zionists to eliminate the religions? I don’t know, but either way, it’s fucked up, and we are doomed.
                I really feel like America is planning Something, so as an European i’m afraid that my country will help them do it, knowingly or not ”NATO” and ”UN” have licked Americas Ass since the founding of them both, in fact America was always the ones to be involved directly in the founding of those organisations, makes me believe that they found it to control Europe too.

                Israel want’s to be the new ”Rome”.
                First take over America, then the rest of the world? :)
                Seems it’s not the end, but the beginning of a ”New World Order”
                Think about it, Rome was a little city before it became the roman empire, and took over the most of Europe, Some of Africa, and Asia.

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                • Not them guys says:

                  Ignoramus. We were the first people in the entire world to believe in One deity. BTW, you do realize that Jesus was born a Jew, lived his life as one, and died a Jew. He never repudiated Judiasm, never rejected the Jewish people, only the corrupt members who cared more for this worlds pleasures than serving The Lord. Go back and learn the actual history, not the pretend revisionism you are so fond of. Stop spewing your vile hatred. A true Christian wouldn’t do that.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Ridiculous.

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        • buttcrackofdoom says:

          that makes sense to ME, POG. they KNEW(even though they ALWAYS say”whocouldaknow’d) that this neverending credit expansion couln’t go on forever(because PONZI schemes CAN’T go on forever, now can they?). so they HAD to do something to scare (the) US into allowing these insideous laws and the spying and all…..it makes PERFECT sense and it’s genius! to bad it will be liberal against conservative, brother against sister, black against white, poor against rich, YEESH!there’s gonna be a LOT of facets to this “war of the worlds”! it just pisses me off that it didn’t have to happen. oh well, until it hits the fan, i’m partying like it’s 1941!

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      • TheGuy says:

        Well, yeah… when your entire economy is basically dependent upon a bunch of ultra-wealthy goat herders, what are you gonna do? Call ‘em out on it? See how fast you go to 4th world status when they turn off the spigots.

        Fund. Thorium. Nuclear. Research. For. Christ. Sake.

        Then I can think of something interesting you can do with all that left over Uranium you don’t need anymore. Hint: it involves goat herders…

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      • Sheeple#1 says:

        So where did they go? How did all the pieces of the buildings end up on the ground… Was it lowered?

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          • sixpack says:

            I guess that’s just about as believable as the original govt dialogue on 9/11…all BS.

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            • braveheart says:

              I see we have a new troll. Yep, it’s Monday, no question about it.

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            • Them Guys says:

              This new report and where it originates from, NY newspapers is very likly meant to thwart folks from researching the tons, Truck loads, Train Loads, of Yutube videos, written articles, 5 dancing Isralies Own yutube video where them 5 israel citizens that came to usa Illeagly under the wire to Film 9/11 events, and in their OWN video are shown Bragging on some israel tv news show, or whatever, how the Mossad Sent them 5 here to film it collapsing.

              Then theres all the info detailing Bush jr, and Cheny ordering Stand downs of the normal usual procedures for fast Nat Gurad Fighter Jets to be airborn in moments in such an event…Plus that by sheer “Coincidence” AGAIN! They Just happened to be doing an Exercize for an exact type scenario as 9/11 was…MSM says thats reason for 12 min of mass confusions by said Nat Guard pilots etc, they thought it was just an ‘exercize at first”! Sure they did.

              Its likly those scoundrels, and swindlers like Mr Silversiten who was Leaseing those buildgs, and himself Profitied by aprox $3.7 BILLION in 5 Insurance payouts, AFTER Insur co’s Paid off the actual Owners that leased it to silverman, of which the owners also got aprox same amounts…AND the verrified Facts that he was unable to Rent out much of the total space due to those buildings were built with a huge excess of xtra Fireproofing of Mass amounts of “Asbestos” which while when used in 1970′s when erecting it all was not Yet banned for use as a cancer causer etc…Articles discusing this stuff stated that the price tag for asbestos removals, which were mandated to be removed “IF” any space renters decided to Remodel rented space(which most office renters do desire changes of remodeling etc)…Were the Main reason for not many renters, since silverman wanted renters of office space to Pay asbestos removal costs if they choose to remodel office suits…Why remodel if you can do an Insurance job eh?

              AND the Fact that there was an Ongoing aprox 10 yr long Fed Court cases to get fed judges to agree with silverman et al that at least a couple insurance co’s Would be Liable for dammages even if an act of War/Riots OR act by Terrorists occured! Most insurance coverages do NOT pay off if dammages are due to civil riots, Wars, or Terroristic acts from all I read of these issues.

              Silverman finally got a Fed ct of Appeales justice, a fellow tribe member also, to agree and silverman won his PRE-Collapse terror acts case against claims BY insurance co’s that they do not have to pay in such scenarios..Silverman sure got “Lucky” too since the 9/11 causeing need to file insurance claims occured just a couple months After he Won his 10 yr long ct cases affairs! Some tribes gets all the luck no. So did the Fed ct appealate Justice when Later Bush jr gave Him a Better “Offical” position in fed govnt if I recall correct.

              Add in how silverman was a Stickler for always being On Time, and at PRECICELY the exact same 9 am every morning He ate his breakfast AT the TOP Floor Resturant that revolves in a 360 degree circle while patrons sit at tables and observe the View….He and his Two kids a son and daughter were to Meet there for breakfast the Morning of 9/11 events….BUT due to another “Coincidence” aka last minit changes, His wifey phoned him to say that he has a Doctor apointment that Morning so Cancel his breakfast meeting..Hmmmmm…Good thing that call didn’t arrive 10 minits later eh! Lucky again?

              Indeed now that So Many Many folks are researching more info available than a dozen folks can live long enough to read or digest regarding 9/11 events…AND with a Vast Majority of evidence, articles, documentations, Very High placed individuals stateing that Mossad and Israel are the Main culprits…TO Get dumbed down america to AGAIN Demolish another nation many jewish folks Hate, along with mass killing off more Millions of folks that NEVER harmed america…Indeed…Perhaps this “New” info is designed to switch folks main Focus Away from mossad, israel, and the entire Bush team of war mongering neocons along with the leftist dem Jewdeo-Communists that so Permeate Our Fed national govnt top to bottom.

              OR its also designed to Prep americans to begin waving small size .59 cent China made usa Plastic flags while shouting..USA! USA! USA! while clamoring for More War this time against Arabia!….

              Maybe at least One NY newspaper will soon do an article outlining the massive historical evidences and Ties that Bind arabs of Ishmael, WITH Jews of ESAU also known of as “Khazars” and edomite turks eh…Cousins in Other words! And BOTH sworn Mortal Enemys of the true Jacob/israel peoples…Of which Khazars definatly aint.

              When are folks going to Wake up to realize that Christianity has TWO Mortal hatefull revenge seeking enemy religions? That being Both Islam And babylonian talmudic judaisim…..Ironic if all the past 1/2 century or longer Both has been pretending to have One as Our allies when in reality Both have been secretly operating Againts Americans best intrests eh…After all like it or not america is and was founded mainly as a Christian Nation, With a vast majority of over 85-90% calling themselves Christians…That don’t sit well with them Other Two religious folks who see christianity not just as the folks who founded, invented, built The Greatest nation ever to exist in all history, but Both others also see it as the Nation And Peoples that recieved those God promiced blessings recorded biblically…Of which Both ESAU aka jacobs twin brother, as well as Ishmael aka Issac’s older brother’s Modern day, today’s decendants have an Overwhelming desire to Rob americans blind of said blessings and exterminate the absolute best armed of worlds christian folks They consider enemys to Their selves and religions….

              Like that TV Soap eh..”As the LOG Burns…So Are the Days of Our Lives”….Staring, a couple Hundred american christians vs a Double whammy enemy of talmudics and their cousins the Islamics! Stay Tuned, to be continued I am certain of.

              PS: Some other Poster person here can contribute the massive infos on how by Another strange and ironic “Coincedence” all them Photos of right after the Pentagon got hit too..Ironicly the Photos, Many many photos all shows exactly ZERO-Plane-Plane Parts-Huge Wheel& Tires-Zero Bodies!-No Luggage strewn around the front of pentagon crash site..Nope! Photos just mainly do show a Hole way too small for a huge plane to “Squeeze” thru….And no prior mentioned parts, plane or body wise…Just a huge Burnt to ashes Pile of Documents of Most Wall street/Banksters shenanigens and swindles over God alone, and Mr Rumsfeld knows going back how long for? Which were by some “Coincidence” again, Just recently Moved to That particualr newly Hardened section of Pentagon exteroir wals etc, for better “Safe” keeping of said Banksters wall street Records!…Indeed with so Many well informed folks posting here, perhaps someone or other will post more documented infos regards that MISSING Pentagon Plane!….America, where ALL We was Taught and Told to believe in..Was Hooey, Hokums, and outright Lies….Yet what still Many american folk refuse to investigate!

              Oops! almost forgot to mention…When Donald Rumsfeld “finally” showed that one single Pentagon related Video that “HE” says shows the Plane hit, his explaination for Missing Plane and parts and luggages etc etc…Was…Fasten Yer seatbelts folks! “All those sparkely shinny small objects all over the Grass where pentagon got hit, are ALL that remains…Due of course to the high rate of speed plane traveled when it hit…”

              Funny thing I too has the exact same sparkely shinny small “pieces” on MY Grass Lawn EVERY Morning! All This time I thought it was called “DEW” covering said Grass!…Silly Me Huh!

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Bullseye, ThemGuys, bullseye!

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                • A little off topic but I don’t contribute here a lot and feel a need to. Everyones dear friend Eisen was abused a few months ago for wondering if bit coin might be a good investment. Hopefully a few people should step up to the plate and give him credit due. I don’t remember who all roughed him up but will respect those who laughed at him who will step up to the plate. I hope he invested although if he had he would probably be crowing by now.

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              • TheGuy says:

                Well if that’s true, then he f*cking wins, doesn’t he?! Sorry, I’m irate today, bad weekend.

                America only values the vicious psychos. Look who gets promoted. Look who gets all the big money. Look who gets all the women.

                Great to be f*cking him, I guess. And he only had to kill a couple of thousand useless losers to do it. Now he’s rich as fraggin’ Satan and loving every minute of it. Everyone loves a “winner” in this moral sh*t hole.

                That’s if what you’re saying is true.

                I have my doubts but then again I’m just one of the useless losers so I’m gullible.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  ….except that your name-calling does NOT trump the verifiable facts that Them Guys posted.

                  The tired old straw man arguments, name-calling, false accusations, and the rest of the rabbis’ tricks are losing their mojo. While many Americans are still in denial or in a coma, about half of the American people are reading, learning, thinking, and understanding the Master Race creed and the crimes against humanity that the Master Race creed has inspired—including the 60 million Christians murdered at the hands of Judeo-Communism.

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                • Hunter says:

                  John Q-

                  Salute!

                  The TRUTH will prevail..at the expense of the “BORN AGAIN BABYLONIAN TRIBE”

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                • Emmanuel Truthseeker says:

                  The actual figure for Christian deaths at the hands of Bolshevik Jews is between 60 and 135 million!

                  Jews are very good at making holocausts of Gentiles; Goyim is what they call us. It means, ‘animals in human skin.’

                  At the time of the outbreak of WWII there were at most, 3.3 million Jews in Europe.

                  I guess that’s all I need to say.

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              • Hunter says:

                Them Guys-

                Its interesting that VERY little is said about the firm providing the software to NORAD and the FAA (see Ptech corp)..it was yet another ‘dual-citizen’ employee named Michael Goff, who provided Ptech’s source-code to Mossad agent Amit Yoran who forwarded it onto Tel Aviv.

                Thus knowledge of said software, allowed for the scrambling/overriding/controlling of both NORAD’s and the FAA’s computer networks that day.

                ——————–

                Ditto, not much is said about the ‘Israeli owned’ firms contracted to provide SECURITY at all airports involved.
                Said firm was Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of Israeli-owned ICTS, led by Menahem Atzmon.

                Mr. Atzmon just so happens to be a close friend and confidant of former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert!

                ——————–

                Per the Pentagon strike, why was it that the section destroyed, just happened to be the ‘EXACT’ location where military accountants were pouring thru reams of data…in an effort to figure out, who stole/lost $2.3-trillion dollars from their budget???

                Does the name Dov Zackheim -(another ‘dual-citizen’ type)- and former comptroller of the DoD…

                …ring a bell?

                ——————–

                Why is it, so damn many coincidences on 9-11…just happen to be KOSHER???????

                ..rather than Arab!

                ——————–

                Imo, the Saudi camel-jockeys were/are currently, mere fall guys/minor players per the false-flag event of 9-11.

                ..next post will provide a great link/research tool.

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              • Tyler Durden says:

                This was thoroughly investigated by Mike Ruppert. Dick Cheney was ultimately in charge of a live fire exercise that had our air defenses simulating an attack by commercial airliners! Go borrow the book. Its heavily cited and even resides in Harvard’s business school. It is called Crossing the Rubicon. Then go on YouTube and seek out “WTC 6″ BY beautifulgirlbyDana.

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              • Tactical says:

                At this moment I can see 10 red thumbs to Them Guys post. I am actually enjoying this and I hope it increases to higher numbers. Why? Because by each truthful post by awaken and intelligent Americans such as Them Guys, POG , John Q. Public and many others, the member of the tribe who perceive themselves as the chosen ones along with the useful idiots who are in love with them for no reason except their pure ignorance and lack of intelligence can see the world is becoming aware of their crimes against humanity. Payback will be a BITCH.

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                • California Girl says:

                  @ Tactical,

                  So do you think Christians are the chosen ones?

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                • SilverSax says:

                  Who’s going to give the “payback”? You, Tough Guy?

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                • Only Truth says:

                  @ California Girl

                  I cannot speak for Tactical. but I can tell you what God said:

                  “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
                  Matthew 7:21

                  Remember too that He warned that few will succeed. Clearly our salvation does not depend on our tribal affiliations or an empty and fruitless faith:

                  For many are called but few are chosen.
                  Mark 20:16

                  Lord, are there few that are saved? But he said to them: Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I tell you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.
                  Luke 13:23-24

                  Enter ye in at the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate and how strait is the way that leads to life, and few there are that find it!
                  Matthew 7:13-14

                  The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite.
                  Ecclesiastes 1:15

                  …and His Saints…

                  Be one of the small number who find the way to life, and enter by the narrow gate into Heaven. Take care not to follow the majority and the common herd, so many of whom are lost. Do not be deceived; there are only two roads: one that leads to life and is narrow; the other that leads to death and is wide. There is no middle way.
                  St. Louis Marie de Montfort

                  I was watching souls going down into the abyss as thick and fast as snowflakes falling in the winter mist.
                  Blessed Benedict Joseph Labre

                  The majority of men shall not see God, excepting those who live justly, purified by righteousness and by every other virtue.
                  St. Justin the Martyr

                  In the Great Deluge in the days of Noah, nearly all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water but of sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved.
                  St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

                  I have many more sobering quotes on the fewness of the saved.

                  The basic minimum for salvation is to be baptized, believe, and behave as Jesus commanded. Pray on this.

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                • Only Truth says:

                  @ Silver Sax

                  Consider these testimonies about “payback.”

                  An archdeacon known to Saint Vincent Ferrer died at the same hour as Saint Bernard. The Deacon appeared to Saint Vincent Ferrer after dying, saying the following: “At the hour I died, 33,000 others also died. Those that went straight to heaven were two, myself and Saint Bernard. Those that went to purgatory numbered three, and the rest went to hell.” So 5 out of 33,000 were saved.

                  “Poor Judas! About seventeen hundred years have elapsed since he has been in Hell, and his Hell is still only beginning.”
                  St. Alphonsus Ligouri, 17th century, Preparation For Death, p. 127

                  Whatever the victims do to the evildoers is of little consequence in comparison to God’s just and eternal punishment of all evildoers.

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              • Not them guys says:

                Another asinine rant from the resident anti-Semite. Don’t you know that G-d has a special place in hell for people like you?

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  You magic word does NOT trump facts presented. Your magic word has lost its mojo.

                  Your superstitious avoidance of saying God in not at all Biblical or Mosaic. It is a Kabbalistic superstition.

                  As for hell, here is what GOD says:

                  axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
                  cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
                  condemned Mark 16:16
                  cut down Matthew 3:10
                  in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
                  judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
                  shall be broken Matthew 21:44
                  shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
                  the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
                  woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
                  wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
                  your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
                  you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

                  We know upon whom GOD made those judgments. Heaven and Hell are HIS judgments, not mine.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  typo: “… is not at all Biblical…”

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Califirnia GIRL And SILVER SAX: Heres a Link that will fully Answer your questions about the church vs jews issues etc….Neither of You two can refute factually nor biblically what This smart guys website explains biblically and Historically. GO READ Question #3 at webiste of www dot biblestudysite dot com/qtarc3 dot htm

                  It Fully explains why YES it is Christians who are spoken of in the promices to abraham in genisis etc etc.
                  (Galatians 3:29 “And if Ye are Christs then Ye are Abrahams seed and Heirs according to the Promice” IE: its the Christians/church it speaks of.)

                  That website Is a Pure Goldmine of bible factual truths and info includeing Historical info on jews and khazars etc….”IF” You refuse to even Research that sites infos?

                  Then do NOT expect any further debate on these issues as it will Prove you are of the types that do NOT really seek facts or truths…The type who Rather remain deluded by the current crop of falsehoods taught by so many preachers today in order to Bolster what is perhaps The main number one biggest falacy taught, that of a Pre Trib Rapture event. It has caused them to manufacture more falsehoods and Mis interpretations of the bible, especially of Old test verses and prophecys to bolster and attempt to prove their falsehood pre trib teachings.

                  PS: Its also earned Many pastors a very Hefty donations coffers from many various jewish orgs like aipac-adl-splc-and many more khazer imposter jews groups so decieving america and the western nations of late..And Late it’s getting! So Please Wise up! READ that websites Question/answers #3…Link takes You direct to that #3 spot….Enjoy your New found wisdoms! Then get back to me.

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              • Not them guys says:

                Ranting, ranting. Incoherence. More ranting. Take your meds and STFU already.

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          • BadAmerican says:

            @satanshog:

            You really didn’t post any comments.

            I really didn’t read your comments.

            There really isn’t an internet to post comments to.

            You really don’t exist.

            IT IS ALL MIND CONTROL.

            …back in your basement troll…..

            ….what a douche…….

            ….determined……..BA.

            p.s. — I really didn’t ………

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          • braveheart says:

            Satanshog, whose fantasy world are you from?

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    4. PO'd Patriot says:

      Well, I ain’t shocked.

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      • Genius says:

        911 is the kindergarden of conspiracies, anyone who hasn’t figured out it was a FF by now is a moron. People say “I saw it with my own eyes” and couldn’t put 2 plus 2 together and figure out that was impossible? Where is israhell mentioned in this? Notice how fast the patriot act was rolled out? Because it was already written! This is so damn obvious every fooking part of it I can’t believe the people behind it did such a shitty sloppy job. But the sheep eat it up like a chocolate covered shit cupcake. The powers behind it sit back and laugh theyre asses off at the sheeple while they reap the enormous benefits, the draconian police surviellance state, invasion and occupation of soveriegn countries, theft of resources and wealth, all at our countries expense! The never ending war enriching these fookers beyond belief! More and more power and control by the day! All the time the stupid braindead slaves yell “go usa, go usa” blindly patriotic fools that can’t muster a single though of theyre own, just follow the pied piper leading them to theyre own destruction. Never figuring out that the enemy is WITHIN, not in some foriegn country. Fooking mental midgets get the govt. they deserve! Now get over there and kill some brown people for uncle sam after all, he is just looking out for your best interests!

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          Consider the probability of 4 airliners being taken over simultaneously, casually flown around a large swatch of the country for almost 2 hours under the vigilant eye of NORAD, then used as missles –all without a single fighter being scrambled to intercept them.

          The official scenario of what happened is in itself an unsubstantiated and truly far fetched “conspiracy theory” that other competing scenarios Should receive serious attention.

          What was happening at NORAD? Who was in control there?

          The public’s reluctance to question official doctrine on 9/11 is a sympton of the societal role for which most of us have been bred and trained: to be ever faithful hounds, tails thumping the floor, as we contentedly slurp the hand of TPTB.

          Such credulity also becomes inevitable when the alternative is unbearable: IF SOMEONE IN BUSH’S POSITION IS CAPABLE OF LYING TO US ABOUT SOMETHING AS GUT-WRENCHINGLY-HORRIBLE AS 9/11 THEN EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COUNTRY -ABOUT CIVILIZATION ITSELF – IS HOPELESS.

          Most people just don’t have the guts to go beyond TPTB and the MSM to learn the truth.

          It is as if a threshhold has been crossed into a realm of possibilities too VILE to entertain, so we choose to stay in DENIAL. Never mind that THIS COUNTRY’S OPERATIVES have traveled the world, PERPETRATING SIMILAR HORRORS, FOR ALL THE PAST CENTURY.

          Rather than allow the MSM, TPTB, and the intelligence community to render every detail of the comprehension of what is happening to America and the world we would be much wiser to carefully CONSIDER what lies BEHIND THEIR LIES.

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          • Genius says:

            Damn straight granny!

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          • ENFP says:

            POG: “It is as if a threshhold has been crossed into a realm of possibilities too VILE to entertain, so we choose to stay in DENIAL.”
            Crossing this threshhold almost ruined my whole vacation in Europe. I wouldn’t even talk about it to anyone back home unless they would watch the documentary first. It was just too unbelievable to me 2 years ago.

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          • Jim Bob says:

            No surprises about what the average American thinks and knows about his government. He we are some 10 plus years on and their still just as dull as they’ve ever been. Think about it, some smooth talkin’ negro tells them that we’ll be able to give health insurance to 40 million uninsured { and undocumented } NEW ” Americans” and our costs will actually go DOWN in the coming years!

            Well I sure do LOVE this Obama guy alright! I get to keep my old insurance and my doctor and can look forward to savin’ money in the years ahead. YES WE CAN ! And now the reality has appeared some like some gruesome zombie about to eat them financially. They’re dumbfounded. Again. You mean we were LIED to? What’s next, we won’t be able to power our cars on unicorn farts in the next 5 years? Whoever wanted America dumbed down to the point of easy takeover has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams……

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          • John Q. Public says:

            As long as most Americans have food in their bellies, Monday night football on their talmudvisions, and internet porn, they are happy to be deceived.

            Michael Hoffman speaks about the psy war technique of “freeze and thaw” or “revelation of the method.” He postulates that by blocking and then slowly releasing information about the elites’ heinous crimes against humanity, they induce an attitude of helplessness—”Look! See what we did to you and you can do nothing about it.”

            By the time the full—or nearly full—stories of Waco, Oklahoma City, and 9/11 are known, the American sheeple will be even more paralyzed and comatose (if they aren’t already dead from the false flag finale).

            HUNGER will awaken stuporous Americans in a hurry. Be ready for that day.

            Nuremberg 2

            Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

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          • Just Me says:

            Valid points. Sorta makes me sick to my stomach. So what’s their next experiment on us going to be, besides ACA.
            I’ve always thought that 9/11 was more planned than simply a few plans flying around…from the time I saw the first trade tower go down on TV—it hit me, that building went down like a planned demolition, how is that possible just because a plane flew into it. Demolitions require some planning and skill, and that tower went straight down.

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            • Straight linear says:

              straight implies that no debris went in no other direction. a More accurate description of the events of 9/11, is that the buildings became dust and drifted away with the breeze. after the “collapse” and the first photos were taken, at street-level you can see horizontally across to the other side of it, as if the building disappeared. THat’s not a collapse. That is molecular dissociation. A lot of money went into making that happen. The sad part is that Israel knows how it was done. That makes them feel even more powerful. We must always spread the truth, whatever the cost, save our dignity.

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          • The Old Coach says:

            Mac, POG’s posts would connect back to an IP in Riyadh, would they?

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          • Anonymous says:

            Good thing you’re here to tell us the truth – you know, because you have all that access to inside knowledge.
            Conspiracy theorist.

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          • mountain man 6-1 says:

            @ P.O.G.—–Yes ,and don’t forget , that ‘Axis of Arrogance’ Bush – Cheney and Rumsfeld Also lied about the WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION to drag us into a USELESS WAR !! By the way ,saw something on internet today about BUSH sayin Americans are ‘Freedom Loving People ‘ , I almost PUKED !! Glad they’re GONE ,but then we have this New Evil to deal with . And he has learned ,from Bush, that you can wait till Congress is out of town , then pass ‘Executive Orders’ and by-pass all that silly law stuff ! They have a PLAN , I just wish WE DID !!??…..mm

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      • Man on the inside says:

        “Good God! I’ve been sayin’ it. I’ve been sayin’ it for ten damn years. Ain’t I been sayin’ it, Miguel? Yeah, I’ve been sayin’ it”

        Russel Casse

        Though I do not believe half of the conspiracy theories and I don’t want some of those ilk on our side cuz they make us look crazy……. Real intelligent people know several things.
        1. The Saudi government is not our friend.
        2. Planes really did hit the towers and Pentagon.
        3. If a building burns long enough and is not made
        of concrete it WILL collapse.
        4. A building missing many of its main supports will
        collapse.
        5. The 19 scum bags had help from the Saudi’s.
        6. The government can’t let the Saudi government fail
        due to the Petro dollar.
        7. The government has used this event to find new and
        wonderful ways to control us.
        8. The government thinks they are our “RULERS”, not
        civil servants.
        9. This event and many others since will help bring
        about a one world government.
        10. The U.S. Government has NO integrity.
        11. We need to continue to press for the truth.
        12. The truth is somewhere between the stated story and
        the conspiracy theories.
        13. The NSA, CIA,FBI, and others know more than they are
        telling.
        14. China is laughing its ass off cuz by 2018 it won’t
        matter they will be the number one superpower.
        15. U.S. citizens are being played (and looked at by the
        world) as fools.
        16. If you have half a brain you are PRAYIBG, PLANNING,
        PREPPING, and FROMING TEAMS.

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        • jerrytbg says:

          “3. If a building burns long enough and is not made
          of concrete it WILL collapse.
          4. A building missing many of its main supports will
          collapse.”

          I believe you need to do a little bit more research on these two points…both in theory and what actually happened with building 7…
          (hint)…the penthouse fell first and it was far from the flames and the “main supports”…

          No argument with the rest of your points…fwiw

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    5. Sheeple#1 says:

      Yay another of the same story… What happened to shtf… I need help with a plan… If I want to get freaked out about everything on the news ill go to infowars… I come here to learn. At least I did.

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      • Scott C. says:

        Allegedly 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.
        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

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      • sixpack says:

        If you “come here to learn” and if you have read ANY of the many articles and posts here, on planning and preparing, but you STILL don’t have a plan, maybe you should learn how to pay attention to what you read. Damn.

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        • California Girl says:

          @Sixpack

          I think the problem is that many of us have been on this site for years. Back then it was more about planning, what to buy, how much of it, bests ways to store food, best self defense, etc, so we’ve already got most of the info we need on how to do it. The new readers missed out on that and are just beginning to prepare. They are looking for lists, product reviews, etc, and are not finding that here anymore.

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        • Genius says:

          Here’s another tip for those with imagination.. http://www.freedomslips.com/thumb.htm A library of great info. Worth 100 times the price!

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        • Sheeple#1 says:

          Oh jeez stud sorry. You got it all figured out dont you…no questions no need for advice no second guessing yourself huh well good for you. Don’t need anyone to attack me for trying to constantly improve myself and my situation… Damn

          Thanks “dick”your right on the money…

          P.s. nothing ever goes according “to plan” … I’ve learned that on the battlefield … You?

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          • It’s “you’re”, not “your”.

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          • KY Mom says:

            Sheeple#1,

            I see there are some very good suggestions below to get you on the right track.

            One of my favorite lists is:
            “When SHTF These 100 Items Will Disappear First”

            Just type this title into the search bar at the top.

            Each day that we have is a gift.
            Don’t give up.

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          • California Girl says:

            @Sheeple#1,

            I’m not nearly as prepared as I need to be, but I know I can come to this site and ask for advice. There are always several nice people who will gladly share what experience they have, like the way KY Mom just did. We all love Mac’s site, which makes some responders defensive, but I know how overwhelming it is to try to sift through the ton of info on all those other prepper sites. Also, many of us who are prepping with limited funds are probably not much further along than you are. Anyway, we’re here for you man!

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      • Dick says:

        Sheeple
        I agree. the time for finding reasons to prepare have passed, or should have. All this just distracts me from information that will actually help when the SHTF. I believe it will and dont need more brainwashing. If someone knows a site that actually focuses POSITIVELY on prepping please list it.

        CATI

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Survivalblog is pretty good, but if your like me and like reading you will burn through the dayly posts pretty quick, im kinda over it, ordered the Tolkien 4 book original set of Hobbit and lord of the rings, just want to check out rather thsn read more doom and gloom

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          • Genius says:

            Hey Kula, check out the link on my tip I posted, prepping info from hell. Some of the very best bad assed defense info there is. For the prepper that has everything lol :)

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          • wrong says:

            Excellent choice!

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Kula if you go to Survivaltop50 you can get more reading than you could handle in a life time. And much of it has good prepping ideas and not doom and gloom. One of my favorites is #62 Paratus Familia.blog she don’t have an article everyday, but they don’t just talk the talk they live a preppers life. SHTFplan is very interesting because we can interact with our comments but there are a lot of other good sites for Prepping and Survival info. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem,para bellum!

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            • mountain man 6-1 says:

              @ M.T. …Hey Trek , and there are a lot of other sites that don’t have the FREEDOM that MAC provides HERE! I’ve seen warnings on MANY Sites that ‘Certain Things ‘ will NOT be Tolerated !! I think most here would give advice if someone needed an answer . Plus ,WHERE ELSE can you read BULL S#IT & Comedy all on one site !?? (speaking of comedy, where’s our resident Comedian ‘Smokin Okie’??) He must be on a Long Haul!?? Anyway, I always roam the internet , but I always hang my hat HERE ,it’s HOME !!(until I get kicked off) ……mm

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              • Mountain Trekker says:

                Mountain 6-1 you’ll get no argument from me about the freedom on this site. Just wanted to let people know there are other sites about prepping. I’ve been wondering about SmokinOkie myself for some time. Trekker Out.

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            • Hunter says:

              Thanks for the link MT.

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        • BadAmerican says:

          @Dick and friends:

          Articles of this nature , read by those still sitting on the fence when it comes to prepping, may be the straw that gets ‘em in gear.
          It reinforces that plain fact that it is ugly out there, more the reason to stock up on essentials.

          Any person who comes to this site, as I, goes to additional sites to confirm or deny these articles. Any person can use a search engine to discover other sites that provide lists, or use the archives here at SHTFplan.

          SHTFplan is a tool, not a tit. Just one of may tool you need to have in order to thrive against the ugly out there. You undoubtedly glean information from many other sites along with this one to help you with your prepping plans. This site should not be considered a one stop shop for all of your needs, but rather a stop on your successful journey to self sustainability.

          Articles of this nature, along with your previous posts provide insight to the nuances of a prep life that lists and stuff only partially fulfill.

          I defend this site, because it has helped me improve my lot. It has made me use my noggin, and has helped me confirm that my prepping is the right course.

          Your fellow prepper and cohort.

          ….I tot I taw a putty tat……BA.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Im starting to feel the same way,,,
        When i first started was a little over a year ago, found all sorts of good articles and never really paid attention to the comments,,,
        I like talking about canning, or growing stuff, or what out of dste stuff is still edible, tactical gear, dealing with family and friends, or not dealing with them, cars in craziness, hardening your house,, all manner of stuff, but lately, lots of stuff that follows the theme like the one here,,
        No offense to Mac, i can imagine how tough it is to come up with new stuff,,
        At the moment we all know the govt is just fucking with us and is inept, that there have been various questionable events, thst the dollar and economy sre not groovy,,
        But what are good ways to hide valueables? 101 ways to use macaroni or pinto beans? 20 different ways to preserve fruit? Ya know,,, i get it though, can please some of the people some of the time but cant please all the people all the time,,,

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        • ReaganVet says:

          Yeah, this was the last straw — I’m done here. No doubt the Saudi’s condoned and supported some of the Jihadist actors of 9-11 and then in fear for their lives, spirited their families out of the U.S. post haste.

          At least this 9/11 Truther article now explains why all the racist, anti-Semite, Aryan Nations, Storm Front trooper types are given free reign here.

          If not for moral reasons, all advertisers on this site should take into account what this kind of rabid hatred will eventually do to their bottom line.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            @ Reagan Vet

            By what short circuit of logic do you reach your conclusions?

            Verifable facts have been presented.

            What is “hateful” about truth?

            Who really is the hater? the masterminds of crimes against humanity? or the people who expose the masterminds?

            Think about that… LOGICALLY.

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          • buttcrackofdoom says:

            seems to ME….EVERYONE here has pretty much free reign??

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        • buttcrackofdoom says:

          just the opposite for me…i find MANY of the comments to be more important than the story itself. there’s a LOT of intelligent people commenting here to ad to the many facets of these stories and this site…i find it PRICELESS!….maybe even MORE expensive! i ALWAYS tell people when they come here to pay attention to the comments too, THEY are the most important part. i think SOME of these guys just need a double-shot of buttcrackofdoom today.

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      • Sgt. Dale says:

        Sheeple:
        Please ask the questions we will try to answer them.
        Sgt.

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      • Keep coming…some here are trying to provide info/experience,theres not always an opening…ask questions EVEN IF THEYRE OFF TOPIC,that provides an opening…someone here will try to answer your question :)

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      • Jim Rawles and Selco have good sites for actual learning. This one I come to only to see what BI is saying about earthquakes and for what little practical bits and pieces come out occasionally in the comment stream. The rest is sheer silliness, speculation, name calling, sock puppet shows, agenda pushing and regurgitation of extremist points of view.

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    6. Heirloominati says:

      Rope. Tree.

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    7. Mole says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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    8. This is more of the ole Kansas City Shuffle. The kingdom of saud had nothing to do with this other than to be the scapegoat. Doesn’t anyone see the obvious as in totally an inside job? That means YOU Dick Cheney you evil evil man. And also YOU Israel with your 6 dancing Israeli agents there to “film the event.” And YOU George Bush I and II with your snide remarks about how “if the amerikan people knew what you have done we would be lynching you in the streets”. This is just a small sampling of the people that are responsible for the event. The list is long and deep including the mayor.. yes YOU Rudy, that pile of trash mayor in Chicago yes YOU Rahm..etc so forth and ect.. POS each and everyone. FUCKERS!

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      • sixpack says:

        yep. watch the other hand.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        Bullseye, .02, bullseye!

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      • JayJay says:

        You said a mouth full, .02!!

        Watch the magician behind the curtain as I hide this rabbit.

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        • Hunter says:

          Actually Jay-Jay, they’re not known for hiding rabbits.
          Instead, they’re seriously into twirling chickens over their heads!!!

          -(somebody here will understand..grin)-

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Yes, Kaparot and Yom Kippur: Voodoo and Perjury in Judaism

            http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2011/10/kaparot-and-yom-kippur-voodoo-and.html

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Who will be the first disinformation agent to claim the photographic and video evidence of the kaparot Voodoo chicken shlugging is “hate”?

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            • Hunter says:

              Dunno John, but I do hope their chickens acquire ‘Avian Diarrhea’ at the most opportune moment!

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              • Them Guys says:

                John Q Public: Indeed Yom Kipper aka jewish New years!

                The day that once per year Every synagouge of satan is Filled to jam packed standing room only. Where the jewish talmudics recite their “KOL NIDRE” Prayers…A Prayer that absolves all jews that pray it from obedience to ALL/Any Promices or OATHS taken by them. Such as for example when a US senator like finestien Swears her OATH to Support and Defend the US Const! from ALL enemys forien or DOMESTIC!..Then 2 seconds Later she renews her totally Unconstitutional Rabid anti american deceptions and destructions…

                Indeed a Kol Nidre yom kipper prayer that allows jewish folks to DIS-Honor…DIS-Obey, all Oaths or promices sworn to and for the ENTIRE Next Full Year In Advance!!!

                Talmud teaches…Ok to LIE-STEAL-Murder-Mass Genocide Goyim Gentiles(see russia 1918 to 1990) aka “Kill Even the Best of the Gentiles”…Then recite a prayer once per year to allow for Oath breakings a full year in advance!

                And every item as Proof that we post here written BY Rabbis, BY Jewish folks etc gets Us called Vile hatefull Names?…But them jews and rabbi gets a free pass right..Because we are all supposed to believe the ONLY victims that ever matter are their tribe members.

                Because They think they alone are real Humans and all non jews equals animals aka goyim…Why are there still folks foolish enough to defend such? I guess they FEAR to actually READ those many Links we provide to real factual Truths eh…Funny all these name caller types never provide ANY other than name calling of the truth tellers here. That tactic is Fast loseing it’s Mojo effect.

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            • sixpack says:

              Disclaimer: No actual chickens were harmed during the filming of this video…

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              • Hunter says:

                LMAO!!!!

                Good one six…

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              • Them Guys says:

                NOT Them Guys: is an Obvious High School DROP Out from that famous school called SPLC-HIGH!….Next door to ADL Jr High!…

                PS: All you foolsih idiots and name callers and deniars of truth can…Kiss My WHITEY AMERICAN CHRISTIAN ASS!

                Get that Memo you Utter clown fools!

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                • Not them guys says:

                  Guess it hurts your fragile ego to have someone call you out on your rabid anti-semitism. Typical reaction by the weak-minded. And don’t worry, there’s not much truth in anything you post, so a person who has a higher IQ than your room temperature one is not fooled by your rantings.

                  BTW, you might want to revisit what being a Christian actually means. Guess you slept through that class, because you are clearly no Christian.

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    9. Chilton says:

      And speaking of coverups lets not forget about all the things about Sandy Hook. SGT Report has a great interview up with Mark S. Man about that. Check it out.

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      • The biggest give away that S Hook was an inside job is the amount of wounded. In all other mass shootings the woounded out number the dead. S Hook.. 17 dead and not even ONE wounded.. Wow that kid was good.. AS IF.. I tell you folks we are being ruled by some very evil psychos.

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        • 27 dead and no wounded I mean.. I am getting pissed off and pounding on this thing.. fvkit I am going to work on the car.. l8r

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        • Chilton says:

          Agreed, and Adam weighed like 112 pounds, but carried a full loadout and didn’t miss. Kid must of been a member of the Seals on his days off.

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          • And the coroner said all were shot by a rifle but Adam only had handguns with him. The rifle was locked in the trunk of his car out in the parking lot. The camera was running in a chopper overhead when the police approached and opened that trunk. Live feed.
            The victims were all shot and killed inside the school. So why were there puddles of blood on the front porch and steps? Was that just for the cameras?

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            • Canadian Vet says:

              Not to mention all the fatalities were hit with 3 rounds each. That is a hallmark of professional training, either using the Mozambique drills as I learned during the Gunfighter course, excellent trigger-control with a fully automatic rifle (as I was taught as part of basic weapons proficiency in Basic) or a weapon fitted with a burst limiter…

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              • grandee says:

                no people. their little bodies couldn’t take the hit.

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              • gone under says:

                research Cleveland School yard shooting Stockton Calif.. Jan 17 1989

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  The perpetrator of the Stockton school yard shooting was Patrick Purdy, a former child prostitute of a ring patronized by VERY POWERFUL politicians and bureaucrats.

                  That is why they had to make the shooting about the gun, the “assault weapon.”

                  They could not afford any curiosity about the perpetrator’s background.

                  Get a copy of the official autopsy report on Patrick Purdy and start your research at the psychological autopsy section.

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                • gone under says:

                  @ John Q…I was there and my son was shot.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  @ gone under

                  I am so sorry to hear that. I hope that he survived to become a fine young man. If not, I pray for the response of his eternal soul.

                  An attorney friend had researched the ring and had accumulated considerable evidence of child prostitution, pornography, and murder run by VERY powerful and dangerous men. There are even more sickening details. His home was firebombed, the evidence destroyed, and my friend died a few months later.

                  Those evildoers could not afford any interest in Patrick Purdy. They had to make it about the inanimate gun.

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                • gone under says:

                  @ John Q. The whole Gun grab, nation wide was started In 1989. Ca banned all kinds of firearms. The rest of the nation just followed along. I contacted the NRA around March when Dan Roberti CA assemblyman introduced the first gun ban. The NRA didnt want anything to do with a few us parents that knew the Gov was just exploiting the incident. I bought a ak clone to give to my son when he became a adult. He has it right now. He is a good hunter and lives near me a few miles below Ruby Ridge (Naples Id).Purdy had a arrest record with felonies that were always reduced to misdimenors. he “killed himself”. The teachers were not the Hero’s the media portrayed them to be. I could tell you all kinds of things but I would rather forget. I still have the Stockton Record paper with my son’s picture on it holding his leg.

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                • Gone Under, I was at the ruby ridge massacre and gave Bo Gritz a ride to the bridge when he went up and talked Randy down. What a waste of decent humanity on that deal. When our government tries to spin a sniper shooting a AMERICAN woman in the head while she is holding a baby as a hero, that was the day I officially gave up on amerika and started prepping. You want to talk about lies? Holyshit the government lied about EVERYTHING! I lived in N Idaho for 42 years. born all my children in BF but finally couldn’t take the situation any longer. The sheriff of Boundary County at that time was Bruce Whittaker who is a friend of mine and told me he could have gone up there and talked randy and company out anytime, but the gov wanted the fight. He also told me that everything is corrupt from the last cop on the street to the top, inside and out. He quit right after the Weaver affair. If you ever go up to his cabin say hi to Mike Huff for me, he lives there.

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        • JayJay says:

          The biggest giveaway at Sandy Hook was no bodies taken to the hospital.
          No funerals.
          No injured, only fatalities??

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          • JayJay says:

            Most importantly, no blood clean up..ever!!!
            26 bodies with average 11 holes in them and no blood clean up??

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            • Them Guys says:

              Every Major TV-MSM news especially Fox news tv has been constantly telling americans this and that on how todays terrorists are so badly influenced by their Koran book of islam…I agree the koran verses msm tv has cited do show a dangerous teaching which undoubtedly has influenced such as al queda to strap on bombs as terrorists etc..

              YET, Why has EVERY TV news Major MSM Failed to report that a huge Majority of school shooters and Movie goer shooting recently by batman joker dressed shooter guy as well as Giffords incident shooting in AZ etc etc..

              Have Also been religiously Brainwashed to be Killers?

              IE: a Huge number, a Majority of those shooters have been Jewish shooters, Dylan+Kleebold columbine school, and most others right Up to Sandy Hook events..

              Is it a possibility that due to Talmudic verses taught to them since Birth, such as “Kill even the Best of the Gentiles” and the mass amount of talmudic verses that teach that gentiles are just Animals aka “Goyims”. Just might have something to do with such shootings? Is That why columbine shooter jewish guys first asked “Are You a Christian” before shooting them kids? Does Talmudic teachings of vile antichristianity have anything to do to influencing jewish teens to become mass killers? When will Fox TV news ask these questions Publically like they do with Koran muslim issues?

              If the Islamic Koran can be said to influence killings of non islamics…Then what about the babylonian jewish Talmudic influences as taught?…WHY is One Okay to discuss yet the Other, Talmud jewish isues NOT ok to speak out on?

              Is That what is meant by so much talk about “Equality” america is based upon?…OR is american equality today more like George Orwells book “Animal Farm? Where ALL animals are Equal! Except of course that them Swine Pigges are “MORE” equal?…Gee I wonder if Orwells animal farm really is speaking of Goyims as animals, and those MORE equal swine pigs represent the jews who believe they are more equal as real humans compared to us Lowly goyim non jewish gentiles…

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      • newbee says:

        Is anyone else having problems listening to the report on SGT Report it will play for a few and the shut off on me..

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    10. WE already know, that’s why we visit such sites, to get the truth. We are,growing in numbers each and every hour of every day and across every country. They are loosing their grip and are panicked if they can pull their full agenda off before we hang them.

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    11. lynnie says:

      Follow the money. Airline shorts were 100-250 times normal one and two days before 9-11. “They” are able to find out who bought those shorts even if the trail is obfuscated by intermediaries doing the actual buying on Wall Street before the towers fell.

      I don’t know who bought the shorts- CIA, Mossad, Sauds, others, or a combination. My personal guess is the hijackers were pawns of the globalist oligarchy which transcends national identity. I don’t know who was in on the intelligence. But follow the money and you will find out the truth. They know, and we probably never will.

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      • KY Mom says:

        Off Topic…

        Following the money…

        Are the Feds setting stage for ‘income redistribution’?

        Retirement plans attacked for ‘savings inequality’

        “A report by the Washington-based National Institute on Retirement Security that found a significant RACIAL DISPARITY in retirement savings among working-age households appears to be setting the stage for introducing “income redistribution” concepts into the next round of debate over cutting Social Security benefits.”

        Inspired by a ‘government pension plan’ in Poland, …
        “The Federal government has contemplated FORCING holders of tax-qualified retirement instruments – including 401(k)s, IRAs, and annuities – to invest a portion of their retirement savings in U.S. government Treasury bonds.”

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/retirement-plans-attacked-for-savings-inequality/

        Race and Retirement Insecurity in the United States
        http://www.nirsonline.org/storage/nirs/documents/Race%20and%20Retirement%20Insecurity/race_and_retirement_insecurity_final.pdf

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        • The Old Coach says:

          They’ll do it, because they can. Argentina is another precedent.

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          • Only Truth says:

            You are a racist and hater for mentioning Argentina. Why do you want to kill all Hispanics?

            A bit of your own medicine.

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            • California Girl says:

              If you’re going to attack Old Coach at least try to make sense.

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              • Only Truth says:

                @ California Girl

                Old Coach (like others here) frequently attacks any embarrassing quote from the rabbis or the Israeli press by calling the poster a “Nazi” who wants to “kill all Jews,” etc.

                I just gave him a bit of his own medicine.

                Of course it doesn’t make sense. That was precisely the point—to show that rebutting facts with non-sequitur name-calling is illogical.

                Remember that next time that Old Coach or anyone else uses the term “Nazi” or “anti-Semite.”

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                • Not them guys says:

                  When actual facts appear in the anti-Semitic rantings you and a handful of your cohorts are so fond of posting, I’ll look forward to pigs flying by my window. Sorry, but hating Jews and spreading lies about Judaism does make you an anti-Semite.

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              • This is Nina in another sock; can’t make sense.

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Those Former Troll-Prison guards posters has Switched Screen names! to Boo and not them guys…Still seem to be Missing a couple more of “Justices” jail house pal poster trolls eh…Maybe they this time got their Hooked schnozzes in too deep and cannot remove their heads from their khazar asses.

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        • SilverSax says:

          Yes, KY Mom, they are setting the stage for redistribution.

          Essential for the NWO.

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          • Only Truth says:

            I certainly endorse the redistribution of all that was looted through the centuries by dynastic banksters and their accomplices.

            They have used the crime of usury, the fraud of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking, bribery, and outright swindling to accumulate most things of earthly value.

            What is stolen is not rightfully retained. All their filthy lucre must be repatriated and the perpetrators punished for their crimes against humanity.

            Nuremberg 2

            Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

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    12. The US corporate government was complicit in the demolition of the twin towers and building seven.

      It is impossible for jet fuel (diesel) to melt steel. Having cut and welded steel I beams to make piles, I can tell you it takes the high temperatures of oxygen mixed with acytelene to cut steel.

      Planes didn’t bring down the towers…explosives most likely did.

      What about Jane Standley, the BBC reporter who reported the “collapse” of the Salomon building (WTC 7) while it was still standing in the background of the shot? BBC cut the feed and 5 minutes later it collapsed.

      We have a rogue element that has infiltrated and taken over the government of the USA and most other countries. They are called “bankers”.

      Hang some bankers.

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      • Kevin says:

        Not to belabor the point, but Jet Fuel is actually Kerosenelike in composition.

        All other points are well taken.

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      • sixpack says:

        Start at the top and work your way down until you run out of rope…

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      • Anon7 says:

        JRS: Jets use a kerosene type fuel, as Kevin pointed out, called jp-4 and jp-5 which burns at around 2,000f. That’s enough to cause elongation in the exposed steel frame after the crash and that heat allows for expansion (upwards of 9″ in some cases) that will sheer the rivets/bolts holding them together. Once those joints have come apart all hell breaks loose and collapse begins. Building collapse is a positive feed-back loop situation that allows for further collapse until something strong enough can stop it-usually the ground. I know these things because I was a firefighter for many years.

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        • NONYMOUS5 says:

          Building 7?

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          • Them Guys says:

            But the steel burned Less than one hour. I read in some of the 9/11 truth articles that Metalurgical scientists used a Steel Plant’s Blast Furnace thats used to Melt steel etc. They said they Bought some steel pieces made to the exact same specifications as the orig steel used to Erect twin towers buildgs.

            Then took a 6 foot long steel beam section, which was the longest they could place inside the furnace used, and had to Heat it at a constant Temp of almost 3000+ or more degrees non stop for over 16 full hours just to get that steel to begin to sag and bend a little when the heated steel was placed between Two objets to susspend steel off of ground lever with no support in middle of 6 ft long beam.

            16 Hrs constant heat over 3000 or maybe its 4000 degrees F temps I cant now recall which is correct…They said it takes at Minimum 2800 degrees F constant heat to affect that type hardened steel…And that the steel used same as in twin towers was over 2 inch thick and if I recall it was 12 inces wide beams…They also said when twin towers were built, unlike most other buildings similar to those, instead of Testings for hardness and strength of maybe every 50th or even 100th steel beam made at mill, the twin towers project made the steel mill Test check every indivudual beam produced to order.

            Them scientists who refute fed govnt explainations for 9/11 collapse said the particualr steel used at twin towers construction were of highest quality that they could obtain…It was compared to steel like used in Gun Barrels and Cannons for strength etc…

            Also in over 100 yrs of sky scrappers existing worldwide…Although several prior has burned, one in Japan if I recall it burned 22+ hrs…Yet Never before has a fire caused such a collapse anywheres worldwide. And thats buildings with lesser quailty steel even.

            I think all such articles by metalurigist scientists as well as an archethect who I think is the guy that designed a few world famous Bridges in Japan etc…I saw Him on a TV show dealing with the many flaws in “official govnt story” on 9/11…He too stated NO way! NOT even remotely possible from such lower temps of jet fuel and especially when burnning only 55 minits…

            9/11 Is akin to WWII events in that most folks refuse to even consider our fed govnt has Lied or even been complicit…So them folks go on their entire lives believing falshoods regardless how much info or proof destroys that “Official” govnt story..One look at objectors or red thunbs here when a person posts for example the very words of General G Pattons own personal Diary where patton says “we fought against the Wrong People in WWII europe”…Thats too heavey for most folks to digest or believe is a possibility. But the folks who Dig Deeper for More facts usually Find them facts and prove Patton types as correct. While also Dis proving many/most wild holyhoaxer claims and numbers.

            I guess it all depends on what level Truth matters to each person. Many seem to hate truth like Christ Warned us of. Some folks consider Real Truth above all else.

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        • Hunter says:

          Anon7-

          Your wrong sonny!

          Your answer is devoid of specific facts/data!

          FYI, modern commercial aircraft do NOT burn JP-4/5, they burn Jet A-1.
          Although its similar.

          The free air ignition point of Jet A-1 is somewhere between 410F-450F and burns at (free air temps) between 500F-590F.
          Yes JP-4/5 possessed very similar characteristics.

          Your assertion that it burns at +2000F is only valid inside a purposely designed ‘COMBUSTION CHAMBER’, where said fuel is injected into a highly compressed, super dense air-flow and ignited, the expansion of the burning air/fuel mixture produces thrust (via exhaust), in a jet engine.

          The free-air (lingering jet fuel) fires in the towers LACKED A SOURCE TO PROVIDE THE PHENOMENA OF COMPRESSION…hence the fires were essentially

          ..and don’t even THINK about calling me on this one.

          I’m very familiar with the workings/functioning of jet engines like the General Electric J-79.

          ..a mid 60′s-70′s after-burning (military) turbojet and primary motivation for the B-58 Hustler/F-4/F-104 and a host of other bad-ass USAF aircraft.

          My father was career USAF (a NCOIC)…I spent a lot of time in the engine shop, I still have his tech manuals!

          —————-

          Go back to reading ‘POPULAR MECHANICS MAGAZINE’ whilst in the fire-station Anon7.

          …you’ve just been checkmated!

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      • Them Guys says:

        Banksers aint all they are called! At least by some wised up folk!

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Steel didn’t have to melt, only lose stiffness. All you need is a dull read heat to bend steel bars with 1/4 the pressure that it takes when they are cold.

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        • SovereignDennis says:

          Then please explain what happened to the to all the steel beams below the crash areas, and why the buildings came straight down. IF the steel melted as you claim there would have been a enormous pile of twisted steel all over the World Trade Center complex…not just dust and a few steels beams in the footprints…

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        • Them Guys says:

          All they needed was Mossad israeli agents Posing as Janitors after hours, installing Thermite rope or whatever its called to burn Thru steel beams faster than Old Coach can say jewboy!

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        • and building 7 falls picture perfect into it’s own foot print out of sympathy.. *sigh* when are you people going to quit trying to justify the twin towers and ignore the GLARING ELEPHANT SITTING ON YOUR NUTS?

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    13. maudy fricket says:

      Saudi Arabia was involved. The US government was involved. Why were the Saudis flown out of our country, when all other planes were grounded? Why invade Iraq? Why blame Iraq for something they didn’t do? Bush holds hands with and kisses the Saudi King. In public. No telling what Bush did in private with him.

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    14. sixpack says:

      I’ll bet the Saudis are all laughing their asses off at us stupid Americans. They’ve always known that they got away with murder X 3000. They stabbed us in the back while they laughed in our faces AND jacked up the price of oil for one more slap in the face.

      …all the while, they sat and watched us chase our tails in Iraq and the middle east for over a decade. They watched us die for a lie that came spewing from our own government.

      And “We, the People” bought it hook, line and sinker…someone please get some pliers and help get the hook out of our mouths…

      I recently read an article where the Saudi prince tried to intimidate Putin, saying that the Saudis control ALL terrorists, and that the games in Sochi would be “protected” from a terrorist event IF Putin played ball in Libya…Putin didn’t bite.

      I’m rootin’ for Putin…

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      • Canadian Vet says:

        I get the feeling that trying to intimidate Putin is a pointless effort. The guy was a rising star in the KGB, he probably wrote a book or six about intimidation. If anything, he does the intimidating.

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        • ready down under says:

          Smacked OBumblers ass soundly over Syria. Told him in no uncertain terms just what he could/couldnt do and OBummer ran back to his kennel with his tail between his legs…..

          Never send a boy to do a mans job.

          Aussie

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          We shouldn’t be in a hurry to pat Putin on the back.

          When asked after he left the Soviet Government, Gorbachev stated:

          “Do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnot and Perestyroika and democracy in THE COMING YEARS. These are primarily for outward consumption. THERE WILL NOT BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WITHIN THE SOVIET UNION, OTHER THAN FOR COSMETIC PURPOSES.

          OUR AIM IS TO DISARM THE AMERICANS AND LET THEM FALL ASLEEP.”

          Do not be led to believe the tribe has ever given up its stranglehold on Russia. There is no way.

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          • Canadian Vet says:

            I am not patting Putin on the back. Is am recognizing him for what he is: an extremely intelligent, charismatic and ruthless man with a plan and the stones to put it in motion. He has no regard for how the rest of the world views him and his policies. He is merciless to his enemies and stands by his friends, until they prove him not worthy of his loyalty.

            In short, I recognize him as a good friend to have and your worst nightmare as your enemy and extremely dangerous all around.

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            In Soviet times the Communist “credo” was that everyone was equal (Obama’s Socialism?)–though the REALITY was different even then.

            Now the contrast is even WORSE. Rkussia has a population of 143.5 million people generating total household wealth of 750B, but 263B of that is owned by just 110 people. (Sound familiar?)

            Russia has the highest level of wealth inequity in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires.

            Most of the RED to riches billionaires made their fortune by buying up highly prized assets of the old USSR, OR THROUGH SECURITY LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS AWARDED BY THE KREMLIN FOR WHICH THE CLOSEST POLITICAL CONNECTIONS ARE DEEMED NECESSARY. (Seems the US Federal Govt. has taken lessons from the Russians, doesn’t it?)

            “The situation in Russia has no parallel”, says Anthony Shorrocks of Global Economic Perspectives. “If you look how Russians have made their money and the sort of political ties that seem to be necessary to maintain it, there are few places where the situation is similar.”

            There has been no law allowing sale of land in Russia since the Bolsheviks nationalized it in 1917. There have been attempts to change the code to allow sale of land in Russia but fights have broken out between deputies in the Russian Parliament, the Duma, earlier this year.

            MANY ORDINARY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID THE LAND SALE WILL GO THE SAME WAY AS THE MASS PRIVITIZATIONS OF THE 90′S, WHICH SAW RUSSIAS PRIME ASSETS SOLD OFF CHEAPLY TO A FEW POLITICALLY CONNECTED INSIDERS.

            Article from dailymail.co.uk

            Does this article sound like the Russia we hear about today, protrayed by the MSM? This article, to me, sounds like the PTB in the US are taking lessons from their relatives in Russia.

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          • You were ok until your last stupid sentence. I really hope something will smack you in the back of the head when you are fixated on your Jew hating just because you refused to look up and see it coming right at you from an angle you won’t expect.

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        • Hunter says:

          CV-

          Agreed.

          Per Putin…it recently came to light regarding his statement as to what it was like negotiating with Obama, back during the height of the then pending invasion of Syria, not long ago…where he said:

          “Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, first he knocks over all the pieces and shits on the board, then he struts around claiming…he won the game!!!!”

          -PRICELESS in my opinion-

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          • sixpack says:

            That’s one of my top 10 favorite quotes. All I’m saying is that I wish our leader was half as nationalistic as Putin. Just to have a leader who put his own country FIRST, above foreign interests would help this country a lot. We have been sold out to foreign interests and the global banking system….while our “leader” pisses down his own leg and collects his cash incentives.

            Notice that no one is apparently blackmailing Putin into handing his country’s sovereignty over. We should hope for better than we have.

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        • gone under says:

          stay out of russian movie/opera theaters.

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        We may like Putin cause he projects that Macho image we like to see, but you better never forget, he’s a Full Blown Communist and No Fried of Freedom! Trekker Out. Freedom Ain’t Free!

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      • JayJay says:

        Oh, Sixpack, I read Saudi prince agreed to give Russia controls of oil business profits there(since oil there is nearly depleted) if they went after Iran.
        Putin didn’t bite there either.

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        • sixpack says:

          Well, they obviously can’t get no blackmail leverage, so they had to resort to bribery. Telling isn’t it? As ex KGB, Putin would more likely be the blackmailer than the blackmailee.

          Our congress and supreme court should sit up and take notes…

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    15. toivo says:

      Now this I can believe that saudi arabia had something to do with it. Not much of a conspiracy therory just some more players who got caught. We all knew some other big entity had major involvement, they had to. As far as Isreal or cheney or bush I dont think they did, but if they covered up saudi connection then that is treason.

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      • sixpack says:

        I don’t think any foreign entity could get NORAD and the air force to stand down—that order pretty much had to come from inside, from the upper echelon.

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    16. Sgt. Dale says:

      This article said that the Saudis had a lot to do with it but it doesn’t say WHY. If I was to make a guess I would have to say that it was to get the USA to implement all of these laws restricting our RIGHTS. They also what us to become politically correct. (Where you can’t say any thing against the muslims.) Then they what to implement sharia law.

      You see you can stop CHRISTANS form doing what like, or praying or having a area for Christians to pray, but they will bust their asses to set up something for the muslims to have an area. Don’t get me wrong I don’t care if they let them do their thing. Just let me do my thing!!!!

      Now we have a muslim president, That is OK as long as he doesn’t try to ram his religion down my throat. But you and I know that they are going to try. Look around you there is so much bad that some of the rules of the muslim live by would stop a lot of them.
      What has stop them from taking over is our 2ND. Admendment. This is why we have had all these false flag gun attacks.

      They only reason we don’t do something to the Saudis is because of the oil and the items they buy from us. Our economy would collapse if the nations in the mid east would stop trading with us.

      IF IT WAS UP TO ME I WOULD HAVE NUKED THE SHIT OUT OF THEM BASTARDS, AND TAKEN OVER THIER OIL; FIELDS. MY RULE WOULD BE EVRY TIME WE GET ATTACKED THEY WOULD LOOSE A MAJOR CITY. Give them 24 house to evacuate, and then kiss it good by.

      What the hell is up with this site if you don’t capitalize muslim you don’t spell it write. If you capitalize 2Nd. Admendment its not spelled right. Bull Shit!!!!

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      • maudy fricket says:

        The Saudis had good reason to take part in 9/11. It gave Bush the fake reason he wanted to take out the Saudis worst threat, Saddam.

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Maudy:
          Bush didn’t attack Saddam after 9/11 he went after Afghanistan. He went after Saddam for WMD’s? So the Saudis had no reason to attack the US, other than there are some muslims wanting to take over the world. These are the new bad guys on the block.
          Don’t get me wrong I a friend that is a Muslim, and he tells me that the religion that they are practicing is so extreme he has no idea where the are coming from.
          Sgt.

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    17. Caliber says:

      The problem with trying to prove any conspiracy theory about 9/11, is that many real patriots are republicans. and, unfortunately, like any cheerleader for a political party, most republicans wont admit anything bad about Bush and the republican party.
      its exactly like the blind sheep following Obama.
      We are so caught up in rep. vs dem. – team blue VS. team red. that we cant even see the truth.
      government is corrupt. all of it.

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Oh, I dunno. I’ve been (somewhat ashamedly) a Republican since I was old enough to vote, and I didn’t love GWB much. Plaid-pants Republican, as we called them in my youth. Old money, inflated sense of entitlement, spent more time at the country club than at work. Not corrupt in the venal sense, just too much “go along to get along” so that they won’t miss the really good cocktail parties. My sister married one. After a couple of years around him, I find them easy to spot, believe me.

        My old Dad was “Swamp Yankee” Republican stock, old New England farmers and small tradesmen. That’s what would be called the Tea Party today.

        Real corruption is a Democrat thing, being historically the party of immigrants, unions, and the mafias, (Irish included).

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          Wonder if their cocktail parties were held after or before their skull and bones meetings?

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        • “Real corruption is a Democrat thing, being historically the party of immigrants…” Where do you get that idea? As I recall the KKK was started to protect the hold of the Democrats in the south and one of their big targets were immigrants.

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    18. braveheart says:

      I’ve always known ever since that day that the US govt. was behind the attacks. I’ve seen many reports of Saudi and Pakistani involvement, but never any proof, although it sounds plausible. If their involvement can be proven, then we should break all ties with those 2 countries and especially stop buying Saudi oil. My home in Memphis sits underneath one of the direct flight paths for Memphis International Airport. I still remember ‘Black Tuesday’ very clearly. I still remember when the order was given for no air traffic except military aircraft in US airspace. It was so eerie not seeing or hearing any aircraft for 3 days straight after the attacks. It seems that the coverup on 9-11-2001 will never end. So much documented and video evidence lost forever. What really happened to the people on all 4 of those aircraft? We’ll most likely never know that one either. All of those ‘Muslims with box cutters’ had help from someone; US govt. without question. the feds staged this false-flag attack as a significant excuse to take us further down the road to one-world communist government. I still remember when Bush Jr. declared, “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists.” I knew right then it was FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG. I still say to this day that Bush Jr. and Sr. can get f#$%ed along with the monkey in the WH. MOLON LABE braveheart

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      • braveheart says:

        Sgt. Dale, good day to you and I totally agree. braveheart

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      • BlueH20 says:

        Braveheart:

        Not lost. First, we have the redacted 7k words that some critters have seen and are speaking out about. Second, we have whatever Snowden has that NSA itself calls “The keys to the kingdom”. That is valuable enough for some of the intelligence wonks to suggest amnesty for their return.

        Cat’s outta the bag. And I was one who could never buy the involvement of our own government, but is changing their mind. I do remember attending a social gathering about nine months after 9/11 and having a young woman speak out against the term “Homeland”. She was really torqued about that. At the time, I supported the Patriot Act. Now: not so much since I am watching it used against real American Patriots.

        However, I am not waiting for Americans en masse to wake up. When I run through the family and friends list and add acquaintances and clients, I see people too comfortable to question or do anything other than accept what they are told by their *trusted* sources. Oh, maybe a few are being impacted by ObamaCare and most will be very impacted by any move to put their investments into Treasuries, but they will continue to be docile.

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        • braveheart says:

          Blue H20, maybe more revelations about 911 will come out later, but I doubt if we ever get the FULL STORY. Remember how fast the Patriot Act was rushed through Congress? Not one legislator was given any time to read any of it. I knew it was illegitimate on its face. I also knew the real purpose behind the creation of DHS would be a new tool of oppression and terror against our people. Why would they bring in former high-ranking officials from the Soviet KGB AND Markus Wolf, the head of the former East German Stasi, to help create the DHS? IT’S NOT TO PROTECT THE NATION FROM ANY FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP, BUT TO PROTECT THE GOVERNMENT FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE USED AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE. One day the DHS will be unleashed against us and when that happens, all bets are off. It will be party time. MOLON LABE braveheart

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        • The Old Coach says:

          He’s a damned fool if he takes amnesty from that lot. As soon as the news media can distract the proles with the latest Miley Cyrus, he’ll have a car accident, or an overdose of something. (Polonium cocktail, maybe?)

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      • Sgt. Dale says:

        Braveheart:
        10/4
        Sgt.

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    19. Okie rebel says:

      If I remember right, the SEC covered and protected the folks who shorted the airlines before the attack so no one could follow the money. They were all in on it. We know it and now, they know we know, how low they are capable of going. May God have mercy upon their soles at judgement day

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    20. Brian Hughes says:

      Don’t let these assholes divide us apart. I know we have our differences with races in America here but most of all we get along ok. As reading this article I started to get more mad and was thinking the only thing the government does is divides us apart and try to get each other mad while taking focus off their scandels. Then another scandel comes out and we chase that and we don’t all focus and bring this stuff to light. I don’t know how these assholes live with themselves. I hope none of you ever fight one another but these people who are trying to control us and brainwash our cops. They know if they can keep us contained they can get away with everything. There has to be big hush hush to pay sheriffs and captains etc who are in charge of police officers. I fear violence is comming soon. Don’t ever fire from your house or they got ya. Wipe off all shells and try to pick them up too if you can. You can’t go for the body since they could have ceramic armor but most cops carry level 3A that stops most hand pistols. Femor/shattered pelvis shots or face shots is something you may want to think about if it comes down to it. always carry a knive and know where it is quickly. IF someone puts you in a headlock and you cant get out, use a knife deep into his leg and tear hard or into his chest if you can, but you must do quickly before you pass out.

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      • Genius says:

        You can’t go for the body since they could have ceramic armor but most cops carry level 3A that stops most hand pistols. Femor/shattered pelvis shots or face shots is something you may want to think about if it comes down to it.
        Yep Brian how true! BUT, I don’t think even with all the armour they would fair to well against a 300 win mag or 30-06, busted ribs and internal injuries would not only take them out but require that more of them be used to treat them. Logistically, wounding severely takes more of them out than just doing them in. If all you have is a smaller caliber then aim for what you mentioned. Good post Brian!

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        • Warchild says:

          Does not steel core ammo cut thru most body armors?As for the knife Brian might consider the kerambit,due to it’s design effective even in tight situations were a standard knife might not be,hope non of this is needed for anyone but like a spare tire,better to have and not need then need and not have.

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          • Genius says:

            Warchild, I think level3 will stop a 7.62×39 and I have read some will even stop a 30-06. A .223 with steel core isn’t that impressive as it has very little steel and a small projectile. Now an 06 with steel core would be a lot more damaging. A 300 win mag can be loaded to 4000 ft. pounds of energy 33% more powerful than a 30-06. You could load that with a .30 cal. steel core and have a formidable anti armour tool.

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            • Warchild says:

              Hmmmm…,was thinking .308.As you can get jackets of copper for different rounds think you could make your own steel core,sure,perhaps not legal but if it hits the fan the laws are the last things to worry about!On a side note might have a Weatherby .300!

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    21. “… it’s about time the damn media took notice…”

      Is that all? Should we rely on those who were complicit in the crime to bring redress?

      Men have been wishing for this nonsense for ten thousand years… and we have yet to see an example of it.

      If there is to be redress, we have to duplicate what American Founders did… who merely copied what English rebels did.

      Here is an intro to how English rebels brought down judges and bishops, tax collectors and kings who thot they could tax and impose debt without the consent of intended victims: (http://redressone.wordpress.com/one-part-in-ten-thousand/)

      They employed procedures that Americans won with their Revolution; and which is wrongly known as “the right of redress”: it is actually the “power” of redress. And, there’s probably not a lawyer, judge, or law professor who will, or can, tell you about it.

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    22. Southern Border says:

      From what Iv’e seen I think the Twin Towers & Building 7 were brought down with explosives, the planes flying into them were the cover story imo. I’m sure there’s a whole lot of other things that they are lying to us about as well, greedy sonsofbitches are going to be hard to stop at this point !

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      • HD74Man says:

        @SB… I think the Twin Towers & Building 7 were brought down with explosives, the planes flying into them were the cover story

        Read the book, “Crossing the Rubicon”-The Decline of the American Empire in the Age of Oil” by LA detective Michael Ruppert. According to his research Dick Cheney was behind it all. Testimony by various pilots say, no way could the hijackers/terrorists trained on Cessna’s in FL put those 747′s into the towers. They were radio controlled with the operational electronics set up on the upper floors of Building No. 7. The “informed sources” say, the building went down as “collateral” damage from the main towers. However, watch videos of the building collapse. It’s the same “pancaking” effect you see when demolition teams take down obsolete buildings in an urban setting. The entire deal was to line the coffers of Haliburton and other defense contractors and strip the country and its citizenry of their Constitutional rights and turn the place into a Marxist slave camp. We are all living the resultant horror every day now.

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        • What most if not almost all people forget is the interview with the owner of the buildings. He said in that interview, these buildings were designed to take multiple hits/crashes of our biggest airliners, without structure failure.

          I know and have spoke to several military EOD guys who have said several times over, we can see the planned and coordinated explosives going off in the videos. But still the sheep believe what they are told…

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        • Warchild says:

          HD,believe in theory the pilots also trained in large jet 3D simulators in US,according to one instructor,then one thing they didn’t train was landing skills!

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        • mountain man 6-1 says:

          @ HD74Man……I wouldn’t DOUBT IT ! DickHead Cheney thinks he’s smarter than GOD !!!…..hate arrogance…mm

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      • braveheart says:

        Southern Border, some years ago I watched a video about 9-11 titled “Hide In Plain Sight” by Dave Von Kleist and there was speculation about the planes actually being missiles disguised as aircraft and the Twin towers were allegedly brought down by nukes. that was in 2005 shortly before Katrina. I’ve been reserving my judgment on that because I have yet to come across any evidence to back it up, although it seems plausible up to a point.

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    23. Buzzfix says:

      The bottom line is there all in Co hoots, we’ll never know the complete truth and, we lost control of our country along time ago. Until the people are pushed to the point of revolution, nothing will change. The only way to get away from all this madness is to go, “Amish” go off grid. Find away to make income and pay no taxes and no longer be apart of mainstream society. Have nothing to do with the, “system” anymore. Not a thing! To hell with it all!!

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    24. Okie rebel says:

      For what it is worth, this is what gives me comfort. When it will be the absolute darkest for God’s people, us, satan will reveal to his minions who are doing his work, the truth of what will befall them. Satan will tell his minions, they backed the wrong horse and God’s vengeance is about to be poured out on them. At that time, Satan’s minions will cry out for the rocks and mountains to fall on them to protect them from God’s vengeance. I could and probably am wrong about details but this version of reality gives me comfort.

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      • Warchild says:

        Eh,don’t consider myself one of gods people unless was signed up without consent,then definitely don’t consider myself one of gods people!That said,have no doubts that those who perpetuate evil on a large scale will be punished and for the mere fact there is this life may be a next chapter in the book.Any religious beliefs I have would probably be considered pagan or blasphemy as nature is god to me.

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    25. GoneWithTheWind says:

      So remind me again what was the source of the $500 million funding that Obama received from overseas? Wasn’t it from Saudi Arabia?

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Just to remind every one again:

        You only need to google the donaters of both Obama’s campaign and Romneys campaign to realize that the money coming from the Saudi’s was pocket change compared to the tribes money.

        The information is there. It will show you exactly who owns the two parties.

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    26. Anonymous says:

      Hillary Clinton is the cog in the wheel of this attack. Look also to Valerie Jarrett, and their underlings. This is tied heavily to the Muslim Brotherhood by way of the Saudis.

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    27. Matt says:

      Mac, I can totally get that the Saudis could have been involved. But where things get … kookoo … is when people start including the Israelis in on the Conspiracy.

      Israel and the Saudis can’t stand each other and yet they’re going to coordinate an attack? What would be the benefit to Israel of such a thing?

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      • The question is, “who do both Israel and the Saudis hate so much that would bring them together”?

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      • Tactical says:

        Since when Israel and the Saudis can’t stand each other? The new wave of man eating monsters under the name of the Syrian Army who are killing Christians and muslims alike are funded by Israel and the Saudis and our own CIA.

        Matt this is not a personal attack against you but the major problem in the US and among the regular Americans who are decent and hardworking people is the lack of research as who does what in the world. Without getting into details I just advise you to google the relationships between the major Wall street players. You’ll discover the root cause of the evil is the central banks and the satanic greed of those who use the name of the all mighty as a tool to commit crimes against humanity. They just call it different God since they all are Godless souls and earth would be a better place without them and people can live together in peace without their daily pollution of the truth.

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      • Smokey says:

        No benefit to the Israelis whatsoever. Already allies, and the risk of ending that relationship certainly outweighs any imagined benefit.

        Some conspiracy theories are just whacko.

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        • Ahab says:

          @ Smokey — “No benefit to the Israelis…”

          Have you ever heard of “Operation Iraqi Freedom?” How about the resulting destruction of the Iraqi state and the approximately one million dead “towel heads?”

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          • Smokey says:

            OK, Ahab, you tell us all how destabilizing the Middle East has benefitted the Israelis.

            They’re in a low-grade war in Gaza and Lebanon, and looking at Iran, and Syria is going to fall apart. Egypt will turn on them at the first chance they get. Educate us all how the Israelis are happy with all that.

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        • Tactical says:

          Smokey, YOU ARE SO WRONG. Read and research more. Many outstanding educators on this site as well. Try to understand the definition of true allies and enemies.

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      • JayJay says:

        Well, Matt, that IS the plan.
        More conspiracies, more enemies, and more confusion on the sheeple’s part.
        Keep them confused.

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      • Ahab says:

        You’re not very informed, Matt. There are many examples of Israeli-Saudi cooperation. For example, Israel covertly cooperated with Pakistan to funnel weapons (paid for by the Saudis) to the Afghan Mujaheddin in the 1980′s. Later on, both the Saudi and Israeli regimes wanted Saddam gotten rid of, and both used their “influence” on the feckless group of scoundrels and traitors in Congress and the Bush White House to get the US to invade Iraq in 2003. Most recently, in 2012, Israel and Saudi sent irregular forces (terrorists) who they both equipped and trained into Syria to topple the Bashir al-Assad government, which both Israhell and Saudi vehemently oppose.

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    28. ENFP says:

      Don’t think the Saudi government is any more to blame than our own government. I never believed a false flag of this magnitude could occur in this country until I saw convincing documentaries in Europe and found around 1/3 of Europeans believe it was an inside job on top of the terrorist attack. My European friend told me when it happened to watch who benefits from this. Now we can see it is police state Amerika that benefits.

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    29. Military combat Veteran, former 3 letter alphabet agency officer, and I don’t trust the bastards period.

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    30. Muhamed says:

      But, but, but the 9-11 commissions says no evidence supports the fact that any Saudi nationals ever left the country within 2-3 dys of 911…if they say it, then it must be true. I mean, our government would NEVER lie to us….I mean, it’s all for our own safety and our own good, right?
      – American sheeple (circa 2001-present)

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    31. hey, they don’t need “Proof” to fuck with us or throw us in prison..lets return the favor

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      • line um all up and rope um!

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        • Hunter says:

          VRF-

          ..Rope ‘em?

          Hmmmmm?….you just may be onto something there.

          Rope ‘em and brand ‘em, via a red-hot (big letters) branding iron that reads ‘TRAITOR’…across their foreheads!

          Then spay and neuter ‘em for posterity’s sake!

          +1 to ya.

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    32. Kevin2 says:

      For the Saudi Arabians what was to be gained? Did they also desire for the US to run roughshod throughout the Islamic world to keep the fragile oil peg in place and secure? Why would a US invasion of Afghanistan be in the Saudi’s best interest? Why would securing a zone to run oil from the Stans unfettered by Russia be in the Saudi’s best interest? Lastly why would the Saudi’s trust a nation willing to kill its own people? Would not a prudent Monarch say to themselves, “why would they not kill me”?

      I buy that there is a lot of crooked backstabbing going on and that little grey beings have visited the planet but I always look a motive.

      The only thing I see from this is greater justification for more spying by the various intelligence agencies.

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    33. Kulafarmer says:

      A real good SHTF food,,,
      Rice
      A good portion of the world lives on rice,
      You can cook it up and eat it steaming hot with chili sauce or soy sauce or whatever???
      You can grind it into flour and make flatbread like stuff,,
      Once cooked will keep for a couple days before going bad,
      Get a Musibi press on Amazon, is the perfect size for what we call Spam musubi,
      You put about 3/4 cup or more cooked rice in the press and stick a cooked slice of spam on it, press it together,, and Voila! Spam musubi, i like to put a teri sauce on the spam as i cook it, makes it sweeter. Then use the teriyaki nori to wrap around the spam musubi, is good, get creative, pickled ginger or daikon or ????

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Heres a lonk for the press

        http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004V0S7UA/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1387224614&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL60

        Teriyaki chicken is good too, if your vegitarian, sandwich sauteed veggies in between two layers of rice,,,

        You put the cut Nori into the press first, just dip it quickly in sweetened water or mirin place it in press then add other ingredients then press, fold the nori over itself, if its wet it sticks to itself and the rice…

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      • Hunter says:

        Kula-

        Doctors in the bush (3rd world) have long used rice flour mixed with salt and purified water to combat dehydration associated with cholera.

        It works rather well in the diseases early stages , so I’m told.

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      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        hawaiians eat a lot of spam, rice, and corn i hear….a little soy sause and it’s pretty damn GOOD….i got hundreds of pounds of rice and a lot of teriyake, soy, bbq, tomato sause, enchillada sause, cream of mushroom soup….and a BUNCH of other stuff to make it edible when SHTF…..but remember one VERY IMPORTANT thing…it takes a LOT of water to make rice, beans, macaroni….and water will be PRICELESS. possibly even MORE EXPENSIVE after SHTF! 2 gallons per person per day!

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    34. Merlin says:

      could it be that the rats are starting to sell each other out?

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    35. mesquite says:

      I seem to remember Saudi Arabia just recently pushing us to strike Iran

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    36. SWFL says:

      — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom —
      .
      .
      - So now there is a difference?

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    37. CrabbeNebulae says:

      Incandescent light bulbs… get them while you still can. After 1 Jan, they will be illegal to manufacture in or import into the US. Big box store stockpiles will probably run out after 3 to 6 months.

      Picked a couple huge cabbages from the garden yesterday and made a big jar of sauerkraut. Homemade sauerkraut… nothing like it. Lip smackin good. Granted, I have a very large garden but… for those of you who are limited in space, you don’t need a huge plot of land to grow 15 or 20 cabbages and they are nutritious and a great natural survival food.

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      • Hunter says:

        Crab-Neb.

        Recipe and procedure please!
        Would be much appreciated…thanks.

        ..details are important also. I want to try making/fermenting/canning my own.

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        • buttcrackofdoom says:

          google it. i agree, we used to make it when i was a kid and it was great….ultra easy to make…just can’t remember quite what went in it. but i betcha google will be yer friend today!

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        • Hunter…here’s how you do it.

          Get a food grade bucket.
          Peel outer cabbage leaves from about 6 or 7 nice heads of cabbage. (Probably around 25-30 lbs)
          Quarter heads and slice thin strips or better yet, use a slaw cutter.
          Put the shredded cabbage in bucket about a quart at a time. Add a couple tsp of plain salt (non-iodine) and mix up by hand.
          I have a home made “stomper” that I made from a rounded off length of 2×4. Stomp the kraut in the bucket to break it up and release the juice.
          Take a suitable plastic bag and put about a gallon of water in it and tie off
          Place water bag on top of kraut. This seals out mold, etc. Cover with towel and put in cool spot for a month or so.
          Check it every so often to make sure it is juicing up. If not, add some salt water to cover.
          You can “can” it up when done in water bath for around 15 minutes or it will keep in the bucket for a long time.
          If it gets a scum on top, that won’t hurt anything. Just scoop it off and use. Good stuff.
          I have a crock, but I like the bucket just as well.

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    38. Warchild says:

      A nice story,13 minutes well spent: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/absolutely-beautiful-woman-who-is-able-to-communicate-with-animals-proves-the-oneness-of-our-world/69074#more-69074 ,have not yet watched full documentary but will with a cup of coffee.This women not only seems to have a wonderful way with animals but not bad on the eyes either,a win/win!

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    39. KY Mom says:

      Some good news…:)

      479 Sheriffs REFUSE to Enforce New Laws on Gun Control
      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/us/sheriffs-refuse-to-enforce-laws-on-gun-control.html?_r=1&

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    40. maddog says:

      Not surprised. Isn’t this how all the evil acts in this country ends, eventually the truth leaks and we find out someone in our fucked up government either knew it was coming or was directly involved. What surprises me is the American sheeple do nothing. Has anyone watched any commie news cannel recently (abc, cbs fox nbc). They report nothing. Its all shit, absolutely nothing but bullshit. CBS had there commie FBI propaganda expert John on this morning blowing smoke up America’s ass as to the government version of the NSA. Please, even a libdard should be able to see nothing told to the sheeple is true or real. What I can say for sure, tomorrow another scandal will surface and this one will fall away into the pile of forgotten scandals and the sheeple will joyfully graze on news of molly and cardashy’s new implants. Well off to instigate the badly needed and way overdue “RESET”.

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    41. 1940just me says:

      if this were true, why is there no one Indicted? about every 3 months someone puts out the story about the towers being an inside job and that’s the end of it, just like the Kennedy assignation, a lot of talk just to keep the public stirred up.

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      • Hunter says:

        1940 JM-

        Because the ‘RULE of LAW’ only applies to us peons!

        The Powers That Be are exempt…and the f%&kers always collect the $200 dollars when they jump…

        ..pass – go!!!

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    42. Phoenix1960 says:

      I have found Kenneth Timmerman’s book “Countdown to Crisis fascinating reading.

      I believe the Saudis were trying to get us to take a go at Iran much like there’s a Saudi push for Israel to go at them today. Just speculating but it would seem plausible that some in our government became aware and used the knowledge of the attack to further their agenda. It seems to me that the second thrust planned through Turkey but denied might have been the intended forces for an Iranian action.

      As it was we had Iran surrounded on all sides with invasion forces and bases – all one had to do was look at the map to see the makings for blockade instead of direct military action, a change I think was made after Turkeys refusal to allow use of their territory.

      I don’t have problem with mechanics of airplanes and buildings like some do – just think political advantage was taken of the impending event.

      A few points he made,

      I revealed key details of the Iran/al-Qaida relationship in “Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran.”

      • Top al-Qaida leaders, including Ayman al Zawahri and Saad bin Laden, traveled to Iran in early 2001 to win Iranian cooperation in the 9/11 plot, according to an Iranian eyewitness of those meetings. Top among their requests were assistance in getting al-Qaida operatives into and out of Afghanistan without being detected by U.S. intelligence networks in Pakistan.

      • The CIA was warned of Iran’s growing ties with al-Qaida, and of Iran’s intention to carry out a massive terrorist operation against the United States jointly with al-Qaida, by an Iranian defector who walked into the U.S. Embassy in Baku, Azerbaijan in July 2001. The CIA dismissed the warning and called the defector “a fabricator.”

      • Not long before 9/11, a private company used as a front by Iranian intelligence purchased a Boeing 757/767/777 simulator through commercial contacts, according to another Iranian defector who had personal knowledge of the companies and individuals involved in the purchase. Iran did not then, and does not today own such aircraft. The planes hijacked on 9/11 were Boeing 757s and Boeing 767s.

      • Several al-Qaida operatives convicted of terrorist crimes in Europe have said in open court that before 9/11 they were ordered to get travel documents from Iranian embassies in Europe and to travel through Iran to reach Afghanistan as a means of eluding U.S. surveillance.

      • The United States government detected a “rat line” set up by Iran to evacuate several hundred al-Qaida terrorists and their families from Afghanistan to Iran in late 2001 and early 2002. The Iranians used army helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, and convoys of Nissan Patrols for the al-Qaida rat line.

      • Since then, Iran has continued to provide shelter, sanctuary, training and other material support to al-Qaida operatives and served as a rear base for al al-Qaida operations in neighboring Iraq.

      • U.S. negotiations with Iran in early 2003 fell apart after Iran refused to hand over Saad Bin Laden and other top al-Qaida operatives then living in Iran.

      • The U.S. severed all contacts with Iran in May 2003, after they intercepted orders from al-Qaida operatives in Iran to a cell in Saudi Arabia to initiate a bloody wave of terrorist attacks in Riyadh that the Saudis called their 9/11.

      • Imad Mugniyeh was Iran’s chief liaison to al-Qaida both during the preparation phase of the 9/11 plot, and afterwards.

      • Several sources report that Osama bin Laden visited Iran to meet with senior government leaders in November 2004.

      Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/iran-911-attack/2009/12/14/id/342451#ixzz2nfuNTwB3
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    43. from 0 hedge: there is no means under the sun or by the divine will of any God (pick one doesn’t matter) that the situation as it is played out now will change. Nobody in power wants it to change, you cannot change it without power, they will not share power, and nobody willing to change how power is distributed and used will be allowed to get anywhere near the real power. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.

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    44. allen heart says:

      Blaming Saudis only fits a policy that is slowly coming into the light. There were no Muslims or Arab hijackers. That was all contrived. Several of those men blamed for 9-11 complained publicly that their names and photos were being wrongfully used. They had NOT crashed into WTC or the Pentagon. They were alive and well…and pissed. Director of the FBI, Mueller, admitted that there might have been stolen IDs and that there was no hard evidence, a case could not be made to stand up in court. In fact one of the accused Arabs had died a year earlier and another had had his passport stolen in Denver while at school in 1994 and reported stolen.

      What we did learn from the flawed evidence is who somebody wanted blamed. Those who support the “Muslims-did-it” conspiracy theory are either easily mislead or part of the cover up.

      The new “revelations” about Saudi-involvement are part of the swing toward blaming the Saudis as they soon become our enemies while sheltering Israel. We lust after petroleum and the Arabs have a lot of it.

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    45. Ranch says:

      Israel did 9/11 — read Bollyn.com for the best summary. Under every rock is an israeli.

      “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period . . . And the Zionists are playing this as truly an all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people ever realize what happened, they’re done.”

      -Dr Alan Sabrosky, March 2010 Alan Sabrosky is a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S. Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. He is listed in WHO’S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.). A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky’s teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.

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    46. anonymous says:

      Saudi Arabia may well have assisted in the attacks by financing the alleged hijackers (or perhaps we should call them the “patsies”). The three building detonations could only have been due to explosions within the buildings (the nature of which is still under discussion and debate). Only a state actor could have planted this much explosive. The leading suspect is the government Israel. The only other possible (although less likely) suspect would be the government of the United States.
      The other government that played a vital “enabling” role allowed the hijacked airplanes to proceed without interception to crash into the buildings. This other government also acted (and still acts today) to cover up the true nature of the attacks. I am of course talking about the government of the United States.

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      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        i did read an account of a bunch of semi-trucks going into the WTC’s for a few weeks just before 9/11…it was surmised that they were unloading the explosives it took to bring them down….the person was saying every morning from like 2am to 5am they would do this. me, i’m on the fence, don’t know what to believe….but i DO hear the gubmint LYING every morning on CNBS when reporting those numbers on unemployment, inflation, industrial production…you name it, they make up the numbers to sugarcoat EVVVEEERRRRRYYYYthing….but i guess it’s not really sugarcoating is it?…it’s just LYING to pretend everything’s ok. PFFT!….i prefer to think of these lies as MUCH WORSE than pretending.

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    47. ZombieDawg says:

      Well.. try voting for people of integrity and then you’ll get full disclosure.
      You are what you eat and you deserve who you vote for..
      dumb bastards…

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    48. Greg says:

      No question. Just watch “September 11 – A New Pearl Harbor. http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167

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    49. JayJay says:

      Israeli company provided all software for ALL US agencies during 9/11.
      Yes they did–Norad, SS, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, U.S. Customs, IRS, INS, EPA, Interior Dept., U.S. Marshal’s Service…every agency was provided software to accomplish these malfunctions that infiltrated the most guarded building on the planet with a multi-billion dollar defense system by 19 cave-dwelling Arabs with box-cutters??

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    50. gone under says:

      @ BI… Ive had my say last time this topic came up and will not repeat myself. Feel free to join in, they wont bite… Respect. Dave

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    51. Ahab says:

      “It was the Saudis, the Saudis…” Maybe so, but the Saudis are not the ONLY foreign government whose fingerprints are all over 9/11.

      Here is some reportage from 2001 from FOX-News (from whose online archives it quickly VANISHED) on the role played by ISRAELI spies in the lead-up to 9/11, and it includes the TELEVISED admission of one of the “Dancing Israeli” Mossad team – apprehended on 9/11 while they celebrated the falling of the towers from the safety of New Jersey – that they were there (quote) “to document the event.” To “document” an event, one must first KNOW that there is going to BE an “event.” Hence, “our closest ally” and the “only democracy” in the Middle East had conclusive prior knowledge of the TIME and PLACE of the 9/11 attacks, and colluded with “our” government (which they control) to ensure these planes CRASHED into the WTC and Pentagon without interference.

      http://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs

      9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that the Zionist Entity cooperated strategically with the Saud dynasty (who are said by some to be descended from Iraqi Jews); the latest example of such “cooperation” was their 2012 attempt to drag the USA into the Syrian Civil war on the side of Al-Qaeda.

      P.S. This video is posted for the benefit of that handful of useful white idiots in flyover country (religious or not) who regularly and proudly proclaim their Israel-Love in this forum. Watch this video and see what BLOODY TRAITORS to the USA these Scofield-Bible-humping wannabe Semite cultists really are. That goes DOUBLE for their “ministers” and “preachers,” who are nothing but POLITICAL COMMISSARS for our Zionist Occupation Government. Don’t believe it? Then ask yourselves this question: if “our” government is NOT Zionist controlled, why weren’t US Stealth bombers over TEL-AVIV the day after these revelations came out and a MOSSAD agent confessed official Israeli foreknowledge of the attacks on Israeli TV (as shown in the last minute of this video)?

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    52. NC joe says:

      Sounds like you are beating the drums of war. I bet you own stock in a defense contractor and are attempting to incite the U.S. citizenry into a war frenzy against the Saudis so you can cash in. That is my conspiracy theory, which is just as valid as yours.

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    53. Mark says:

      And just where is Israhole mentioned in this article???? Nothing the size of 911 could of pulled off without them. Masters of Deception and pure frickin evil. Could this info mentioned above be a diversion from the leader of Satan’s gang?

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    54. John_Allen says:

      Saud is the name of the extended family that after centuries of jockeying for position finally succeeded in bringing rival tribes under their rule in the early 20th Century. Arabia is the somewhat poetic name for the geography the Saud family owns and rules.

      There isn’t a “Saudi Arabian Government” the way there is a government in Alabama or France. The Saud Family practices a strict, rigid, history-knowing version of Sunni Islam known as Wahhabism. Wahhab is/was one of the tribal families that rule the country. The House of Saud agreed to a deal with the Wahhabs: we will run the secular affairs and you run the religious things.

      Islam IS the government. Sharia is their legal system. To proclaim a disjunct between “their government” and their off-shoot of Sunni marks the speaker as knowing nothing about the place.

      If the US stopped buying their oil tomorrow they have sufficient thousands of billions of our money to feel no pain until the tenth succeeding generation.

      However, the everyday non-royal Saud subject would be hurting badly.

      If we can, let’s see if we can avoid going to war with Iran for the actual purpose of “defending” our “friends” the Israelis and the Saudi Royal Family. That would just make a sad trauma on our history even worse.

      Sources: Dore Gold, Hatred’s Kingdom. Michael Scheuer, Through Our Enemies Eyes.

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    55. kinky says:

      So the plan for Iran is shelved and Saudi Arabia is on the anvil? But I thought they’re going to bomb Iran from Saudi airbases. You never know what Israel is planning and how their plans would unfold.

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    56. aljamo says:

      It is more than obvious that Israel and Saudi Arabia are the favorites of the criminals running America into the ground. Both nations represent our oppressors continued desire for war in the middle east. These nations are America’s bases in that region of the world. You would have to be a disinterested dimwit to buy the official lies of the government’s account of the events of 9-11. There are tens of millions of distracted American’s still falling for the bullshit lies. From what I’ve read on the posts here, some of you want to either change the subject or distance yourselves with counter arguements to the truth.

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    57. possee says:

      I call b.s. on this “supposed” revelation..

      This was a black bag job..well planned..well executed..

      Nothing will convince me otherwise..

      Dozens of firefighters documented hearing explosions

      Trillions missing the day before by DOD.

      Patriot act initiated..

      99% bought into the lie..

      Collateral damage be damned..

      Inexperienced Saudis commandeered and out maneuvered the most sophisticated military in the world and precisely flew jumbo jets into the wtc..yeah right..and santa is arriving Christmas eve..

      possee

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      • maddog says:

        Ooh the sheeple believe anything possee. You should have said the santa statement was sarcasm.

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        • possee says:

          maddog

          Sometimes I truly wonder..

          At least you are one voice of cognitive thought and deductive reasoning..

          Many here join the fray of blaming everyone..blacks, jews.arabs.terrorists,repubs,dems..when all along it is the very system we all live in..

          So few understand the nature of these criminals..

          Thanks..refreshing..

          btw..santa is real..really..

          sarc

          possee

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          Maddog:

          The four stages of life:

          1. I believe in Santa
          2. I don’t believe in Santa
          3. I am Santa
          4. I look like Santa

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    58. Genius says:

      If someone here had the time they could open a free chat room for us on chatango. It’s easy and free I just don’t have the time and I am not here a lot of times. Someone retired or that is around would be perfect. You can assign moderators to watch over it. I would suggest holding back on banning people just because they don’t agree with you, people have the right to speak theyre mind. The link is here to get it going… http://www.chatango.com :)

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    59. NSA SURVEILLANCE TEAM says:

      Read David Ray Griffin’s 9/11 Ten Years Later: When State Crimes against Democracy Succeed For Additional Substantial Evidence

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    60. Joe Sanders says:

      For a sneak peak at the guilty parties check out . . . . http://www.journalof911studies.com/

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    61. Be informed says:

      The ONLY thing I am truly concerned about now is the FUTURE. What is going to happen next, false flag or something that is legitimate. We all can try to figure out whom was actually responsible and what really occurred. The real issue is NOW and LATER. How is what is going to happen going to affect us all. Is it going to be something that attempts to take a big bite out of our freedoms? Is it going to be something that ends the society? This is what we need to do is to prepare for this eventuality.

      There are warnings to geophysical events, but are there warnings that we can decode from what the governments are doing or planning to do. This is a massive about of disinformation being shovelled at us all. I mean ALL of us from all spectrums.

      You will have distortion given to those that are completely pro government, to those anti-government, those that are “conspiracy” driven, those that just float along, and those that analyst everything to death. Any government that truly wants to hide what they are actually doing will have what I call a “bullsh$# crew”. These are f’ers that work to give each group of people what they want to hear. I will give an example using an ET (alien) type of event.

      One group knows that a cover-up is going on, so they will spread traps that lull those people in with fake aliens and will perform dissections of puppets that look like aliens and laoow these pictures to float around out there. You get a certain group fixated on the wrong aliens and hide the real truth. Other people will call this a total hoax and those hiding the truth will make it just enough to be regarded as a hoax. Those skeptical are already sure of government lies and will view this nothing but hiding something that is more military based. Area 51 only a special weapons testing area and tell the majority of the people what they want to hear.

      These are the traps that are set by those that will have mask after mask on top of each other to hide the real face way below. Sometime go to a magician’s show and remain totally focused on one area no matter how much smoke, mirrors, and noise there is. A magician is not some all powerful being making things manifest and disappear, they are trying to distract your attention away just long enough to do something that is hardly supernatural. Concealment and turning your attention away from what they are hiding.

      This is why I say BEWARE of all reports that seem to fit too perfectly for everything that the government lets us “know”. Like Sandy Hook. Which makes better sense? To have some nut go in and gun down a bunch of innocent children and have a true event and blame guns and mental health. OR put on a scene with actors and actresses with an event that never happens and that one day can be proven from too many loose lips.

      The later story sounds real good and SELLS air time that some lunatic didn’t actually shoot 20 children over and over again. That no child actually was murdered with ugly brutality. In reality though 20 little kids where shot over and over again by someone that could have easily been doped up to do this or just been a psychopath that someone easily pushed over the edge. This monster is dead, end of story, dead men tell no tales. The other scenario would mean dozens of big mouths ready to blow the story. See the common sense of this for a beast government, no talk from the grave about what really drove that devil to do this. A lot easier to have one soon to be dead nut do your evil work than try to stage some elaborate hoax. Evil usually takes the path of least resistance.

      Always view something that has many angles to a story with a cynical approach. There are too many mind traps that can snare any of us looking for the right answers.

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      • aljamo says:

        Be Informed…..You steered around the topic of the article. The common sense of the evidence of government involvement in 9-11. In your first paragraph, you repeated basically what Obama said upon entering office, that we will move on ignoring past events. The past event he was talking about was 9-11. There is no middle ground on the so called “conspiracy” (truth) believers or non believers.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ aljamo. Straight up, I don’t know what really happened or whom was involved, none of us can say for sure on anything. You ever see how the concept of a deception to hide another deception? Well, this is likely what is happening here. Human lies are so difficult to figure out THE TRUTH. This is all any of us want, the truth. The physical world is so much easier and clear cut to figure out, what you see is what you get. I don’ support anything about BO, he has helped drive the economy and everything else into the crapper.

          The middle ground you talk about is the shadow zone in which until something is proven is a place that many “dwell”. This is not about believers or non believers, this is about obtaining what actually happened or didn’t happen. Very few people would be willing to put up a large amount of money against or for what they believed, because 9/11 could be even worse and more deep that anyone could imagine. It could be as sick as a bunch of elitists that decided on a game to see what would happen. Kind of like when those characters in the movie Trading Places bet a dollar against each other that they could ruin lives of other people. This is unlikely, but remains a possibility. Prove this wrong or right. You can’t. That is the middle ground of something like this.

          What do I think happen? Oil and the petro dollar and an excuse to attack the Middle East. This is the same crap with the natural gas pipeline with Saudi Arabia and Qatar trying to bypass Russia’s monopoly to Europe. Could this be wrong? Of course, it could be something much more deviant. The simple nut shell is that each of us has a belief, but none of us could be correct about it. I am saying keep an open mind about the OTHER possibilites because not doing so is the MIND TRAP the government and the bad guys want each of us to do, get locked into something we know actually happened. This middle ground is a healthy point because it allows any of us not be fixated on one deception like in a magic show, and to ALWAYS look for the REAL truth, whatever that might be.

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    62. Jackagain says:

      Just like with the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel, there’s no way SA would have acted without the full prior approval of the shadow American government. ZERO chance of that happening…

      Now tell me anti-Israel folks….what exactly was Israel’s motive for ‘causing’ 9/11? If Mossad had anything to do with 9/11, they were recruited for help by our own shadow government long before hand.

      @Ranch, if the Headquarters Marine Corps is ’100% certain period’ that it was Israel that caused 9/11, then why are they still killing innocent people in Afghanistan and why did they kill thousands of innocent people and overthrow the government in Iraq? How about asking your Marine pals that question.

      BTW…do these ‘contacts’ have a rank higher that E4?

      In the end times every nation will come against Israel to destroy it and God will destroy all of them. (Zech. 12) Could this false 9/11 story be the catalyst for it?

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    63. Denninger changed his tune.
      For years he relentlessly mocked anyone who suggested the official story was bogus.

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    64. Socrates says:

      Lots of points to cover on the article and discussions, so I will try to be brief (yeah, right)

      -Firstly, ALL governments and their Corp. tie-ins are evil and corrupt. YOU are not in the long term plans, period. The sooner people wake up to that hard fact, the better.

      -I remember seeing that short clip of George Bush (allegedly) reading stories to children when the events of 9/11 transpired. I say allegedly, because I was not in the room, and I only remember seeing that on TV. Could have been filmed before hand, for all I know.

      -The thing that struck me the most was that they whispered in his ear, and he just kept on reading like nothing had happened. As President, I would have told the children that ‘I’m sorry kids, but I’m the President of the United States and I have to go to work, right now; maybe we can read again some other time.’

      - As far as Saudi Nationals LEAVING the United States prior to 9/11, I know first hand of at least one ‘family’ that did just that as I ended up renting a house from them. This particular family left 5 days prior and went back to Riyadh. They left A LOT of stuff behind and never came back to the U.S. Oh, I un-rented from them as soon as I could…something was not right.

      -The WTC Building #7 ‘glitch’ was also terribly suspect…esp when you remember seeing it live. I was looking for the dust, smoke and fire from that building and just did not see it. Even brought it up to my spouse saying where is it? Isn’t that it right there?

      -There were shortings of stocks and money made all around that all points back to an ‘inside job’. You cannot manipulate stocks and markets that well in advance unless you know with 100% certainty that the odds are going to tip in your favor.

      -The Patriot Act was a remarkably FAST piece of legislation that was written AFTER the events of 9/11? Don’t think so…that piece of work was already typed and polished well before the event. Our government is not THAT efficient that they can churn something as massive and encompassing as that. No way, no how.

      -POG Mentioned the Soviets involvement…they have been involved in our demise far longer than most here realize.
      I mentioned it before, but will again for any that didn’t listen the first time. Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn CBE is a Soviet KGB defector and author of two books about the long-term deception strategy of the KGB leadership. He was born in Piryatin, Ukrainian SSR. Search for his books New Lies for Old (1984) and The Perestroika Deception (1995). They outline the Communist manifesto and perfectly describe what America is going through today…to the letter.

      I could go on, but stated I would be brief. ;)

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    65. bymyself says:

      Why was President Bush not impeached for allowing 911 to happen? It had nothing to do with Obama. it totally amazes me how this stuff way up above try to conflate Obama with what happened on Bush’s watch. It was Bush that allowed the Saudi royal family to leave the country. Why not, they have been business associates of his family for many decades. Where Obama failed, was in deciding to sweep it under the rug as most Presidents do for the so-called good of the country and so that he could prevent a financial collapse such as we had never experienced before. He should have put the entire Bush administration on trial and they’d all be in jail today.

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    66. Jackagain says:

      Bush wasn’t impeached for the same reason that Obama isn’t being impeached for not being born in America and for lying about defending the Constitution when he took his oath of office.

      They are both puppets of the shadow government and are just following orders and both should be in jail.

      How about Eric Holder & drone strikes and the NSA under Obama?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1X-y8IqMw

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    67. Stormy says:

      You have got to be kidding – all of you – if you think the sheeple care. They would rather watch NASCAR and the NFL and American Idle and the insane antics of Miley Virus and Justin Blather and stuff their gullets with GMO turkey and shop at the mall than hear truth. Look at the Black Friday madness. The sheeple have no interest in mass murder, only whether they have the new Xbox or Playstation. What country do you think you live in -????

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    68. sane says:

      Que bono? ..Mossad, anyone!?

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    69. Risky Whiskey says:

      this is not news to me. Just like the way the Bush and Rockefeller families among other American multigenerational moneyed dynasties under the Rothschild’s shield bankrolled the Nazi party’s rise in Germany….

      You think Napolean just “escaped” from captivity like fuckin’ 007 or something in order to set up the final Rothschild-financed climax at Waterloo? That was staged as well….had to be…

      We are all just meat so the banking elite can eat…can’t wait to see what they will do next now that they own the White House, the congress, the senate, the MSM, the military industrial complex, the federal reserve, big agro, big pharma, big tobacco etc. etc.

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    70. ryan says:

      how silly. there were no hijackers. there were no planes.

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    71. NeverSayDie says:

      Anyone ever thought about where all that precious metal went that was supposed to be in the vaults in the WTC buildings??? Remember, anyone, that they found a couple 10 wheeled vehicles (dumptrucks or armored cars) buried in the tunnel between WTC 1 and 2 and WTC bldg 7 (I believe it was…) that were full of bullion??? Where was it going if they didn’t already know what was going to happen? Who was taking it? Not to mention when they finally dug out the vaults, the huge doors were ajar and not closed! SOMEONE got that booty!!! Payment maybe for those who helped perpetrate the act?

      Those pools of molten metal were not precious…they were the leftovers of the steel beams they used the nano-thermite on to bring the buildings down! There’s plenty of info out there now about this new type of thermite. That stuff definitely burns around 5000 degrees…the perfect solution to 1800 degree burning jet fuel (which won’t melt any steel beams I know of…) especially that those steel columns in the WTC buildings were a special alloy…not just regular steel! Now, look that up! Alloys like that would melt at a higher temp than regular steel. Just sayin…

      NeverSayDie

      Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm…. Yes?

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    72. ryan says:

      try here for a more accurate assessment:
      http://drjudywood.com/

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      • et Setera says:

        Indeed – and Judy Wood is also a warm, down-to-earth and very likeable person. She has a way of making difficult technical information accessible to anybody. Meeting her at a talk about 9/11 in Cardiff was an unforgettable experience, thank God for principled high-profile academics like her who are prepared to stick their heads above the parapet. The most profound revelation from her talk was that the seismic readings following the towers’ destruction indicated that an enormous load had been lifted FROM the ground, not that it had slammed to the ground.

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    73. Lindsay says:

      http://youtu.be/2jLI_lDiNwg
      A must watch for anyone who doubts this theory !!!!!!!

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    74. Lindsay says:

      We do not know who is running the country the governments are puppets on strings ! It’s the Elite higher powers behind them that control everyone into a slavery bigger than any other ever existed in human kind! The illuminati !!!!!!

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    75. While this is otherwise a great article, I have to provide info clarifying the claims that US defenses “went down moments before the attack”. This is false. US defense were down for years before the attack. I served in the USAF in the 318th Fighter Interceptor Squadron at McChord AFB outside Tacoma, WA in the late 1980′s. We were the last active duty interceptor squadron in the CONUS other than a unit at Andrews AFB outside DC. Our unit was deactivated in January 1990 as part of the “peace dividend” at the end of the cold war. Our F-15 Eagles were transferred to the Oregon Air National Guard. So on 9/11, there were almost no active duty interceptors on alert in the continental US. The F-16′s at Otis AFB on Cape Cod, the closest unit to the WTC, were all Massachusetts ANG units and not on alert. Furthermore, NORAD’s air defense radars do NOT cover the interior of the US. They all point outward, over Canada, the arctic, and out over the atlantic and pacific oceans. Once the airliners took off from Logan in Boston, they were simply invisible to NORAD radars and ALWAYS HAD BEEN for decades. Nor were there any data connections between FAA radars and NORAD radars. Furthermore, NORAD radars are coded to simply exclude all aircraft that are transmitting valid IFF civilian codes, as all airliners do, so even if the planes had flown out to sea, they wouldn’t have been seen because they all had valid IFF codes squawking.
      So, in conclusion, the claims that US defense magically went down moments before the attack are utterly false. There were no defenses to go down, intentionally or otherwise.

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    76. cia leak? obvious disinfo. The WTC plane was probably a hologram. Otherwise, more carnage would’ve resulted from airplane wreckage. King’s Dominion amusement park had a hologram type of arcade machine where monsters battled on the table top portion during the late 80s. So the technology behind it is in it’s advanced stage and being used for deception. Publicly reviving dead singers after it has been used in a horrific false flag attack instead of before is further proof to support a hologram plane theory.

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    77. Visit september clues.info for the facts, the rest is diversion designed to lead you away from the truth.
      Unless you watch the video from the day to refresh your memory, you cannot be fully informed.
      How many of you haven’t seen the footage, other than from on the day it happened, or, from bullshit money making astro turfing misinformation videos that have been released?.

      Watch it. septemberclues.info copy and paste into google.

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    78. Sneaky Pete says:

      The passengers from the planes are still alive!

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    79. DDearborn says:

      Hmmm

      The entire article is just one lie after another. There is very little truth in any of it. Unless of course you substitute the words Israel and Israeli. This is just one more phony article attempting to deflect attention away from the oh so very obvious and direct Israeli involvement.

      Who was in charge of security at all 3 airports? (Mossad front company) Who was caught celebrating after setting up a video camera BEFORE the attack? Israeli nationals (mossad agents) Over 4000 Israelis workd in the towers how many showed up that day? None. A plane load of people took off late on 9-11 where did it go? Israel. Who had just bought the towers 3 months prior and for the first time in history gotten terrorist insurance for multiple attacks? A dual citizen Israeli. It was Israelis that were caught buying the put options prior to 9-11. What country has been the ONLY beneficiary of 9-11? Israel. In fact so much evidence indicts Israel that Bush had to stall the “investigation” for over year to hide it. It was in fact a rather sloppy operation. There were and still are a lot of loose ends. Hence articles like this.

      Entire books have been written about the direct and indirect evidence directly linking Israel to 9-11. Numerous State Intelligence directors stated in the aftermath that Israel was responsible.

      Means, Motive, opportunity and who benefited. Israel on all counts……

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    80. EyesWideOpen says:

      Not one mention of Israel Pfffft deflection much??

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    81. Israhell says:

      Saudi Arabia??!! LOFL. Israel/Mossad and the Zionist traitors within the American Gov are responsible. You would have to be an idiot to not know that.

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      • AnAngryJew says:

        One of the reasons I left Israel after 9/11 is because I thought my former government may have had a hand in its attack.

        There were in fact Mossad agents detained on 9/11 apparently trying to bring down one of the bridges with a truck load of explosives. They were called the ‘dancing Israelis’. Oddly enough, despite numerous valid reports by different news broadcasts and direct sources from local police and FBI, this was left out of the official report entirely. Or it could be some of the redacted portion.

        Is Israeli government responsible? Possibly. But again, not enough proof to know for sure. I think it is more likely that this attack was planned by multiple nations which would explain the multiple connections.

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    82. AnAngryJew says:

      I don’t think there is enough evidence to connect the Saudis or any specific nation to any degree of certainty.

      I think there IS enough evidence to prove that it was in fact a demolition and planned attack. I think we can prove that the planes did not bring the towers down. I think we can prove that the official report is bullshit.

      Also, Flight 93 was not heading towards the capitol. This is a lie spread by the government. It was heading for BUILDING 7. And when it missed its mark, the building still had to come down. They let it burn for hours so as to appear that fires brought it down.

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    83. 2 State-sponsored; Israel and the USA

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    84. We had a similar situation with the 7/7 bombings in London, England. The scene was riddled with lies, as 9/11 was. They do these false terror events regularly, the most recent being the attack of a soldier in London. This event was labelled the Woolwich hoax, check it out:

      http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/stop-step-back-and-think/

      Our governments are ridiculous, they will destroy families by taking away all of our civil liberties. Can we stop them, that’s what I ask?

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    85. Rogelio says:

      …that is to say when they blamed Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein (without providing evidence) and Afghanistan and Iraq were destroyed (for “combat terrorism”) blatantly they lied, but now expect this new story (which urges “declassify”) will convince americans clueless that the new enemy is called Saudi Arabia.
      Yeah right!! surely nothing will have to see the desperation and powerlessness for the eminent abandonment of petro-dollar by the saudi home or that Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are launching their common currency at the end of december or that China is already the biggest customer of Saudi Arabia, right?… american foreign policy need to change urgently its screenwriter, because senile imagination of Kissinger is turning the tragedy into a comedy naive.

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    86. Defiant says:

      “Incontrovertible Evidence” that nobody can verify. Makes sense.

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    87. Haman says:

      The Saudis didn’t do 9/11.
      Organized jewry did 9/11.

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    88. Neil says:

      It’s taken their best minds 12 years to think up this latest “lie”. It’s bullshit, just like the original report is complete bullshit. The fact that the CIA is “leaking” this info says it all. The author trying to make out he’s a 9/11 truther looking for answers and giving credence to the notion of Saudi involvement is absolute bullshit. We all already know WHO and WHY… it’s just HOW that requires clarification. If this BULLSHIT gets MSM coverage it will be absolute proof that this “LIE” is what it is …. ABSOLUTE, UNADULTERATED BUSH-SHIT.

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    89. aaron matteson says:

      MOSSAD

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    90. aaron matteson says:

      mossad was behind. MOSSAD!

      Pluto is in positions. This is the apocalypse – the age of revealing. ALL IS AND WILL BE REVEALED!

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    91. Matthew says:

      All those who are in the system and in the Governments are chess pieces, tell me who are the chess players.

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    92. Anonymous says:

      Ehud Barak, the prime minister of Israel until March of 2001, came to the U.S. shortly after leaving office. He came, ostensibly, to work as a special advisor for Electronic Data Systems and as a consultant with SCP Partners, a Mossad-run private equity company focused on “security related” work. SCP Partners did business with Metallurg Holding, Inc., as well as Advanced Metallurgical Group, both sharing the same Wayne, PA address. AMG specializes in the production of the same super-thermite used to collapse the three skyscrapers on 9/11.

      According to eye witnesses, the two jets that stuck the twin towers on 9/11 were window-less and dark in appearance, almost military looking.

      Billionaire Estee Lauder cosmetics heir Ronald Lauder worked for years to have Stewart AFB privatized. He was on the defense policy board during the Reagan/Bush presidency in 1981. Lauder has funded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel.

      Why would a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen billionaire friend of Frank Lowy, Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein want to decommission and privatize a United States Air Force Base?

      Dov Zakheim is also CEO of SPC International Corporation, manufacturer of the world’s most advanced remote control Technology for Boeing aircraft.

      Flight 11 and 175 both passed over Stewart AFB at exactly the same time almost colliding at one point…yet they struck the towers 16 minutes apart.

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      • Hunter says:

        Awesome data Anonymous. Thanks much!!!

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        • Them Guys says:

          Klinton was Wrong IE: “Its the Economy Stupid”

          He should Have said “Its International Jewery Stupid”

          Connect them dots and follow that $$$$$ trail in every fuckin swindle, scam, lie, govnt agecny heads, congress, MSM all of it, Hollywood, Whitehouse and Prez,Banks, Wall st, and more yet….Every time without Fail…Once connected all dots form a picture of the exact same thing…One or Mo