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    What To Expect From The Government After The Collapse

    Fernando Ferfal Aguirre
    December 23rd, 2011
    The Modern Survivalist
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    The following excerpts have been graciously contributed by Fernando Ferfal Aguirre and were originally published in his highly rated book The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving The Economic Collapse. You may also visit his web site at The Modern Survivalist.

    Editor’s Note: Ferfal’s first-hand experience following the collapse of the Argentine economy in 2001 is one that should be reviewed and contemplated by all those concerned with a similar outcome in the United States or Europe. From bank runs, crime waves, and food shortages, to restrictive government policies and corruption, Ferfal details what you can expect when the end of the world as we know it becomes reality. For many, especially those just beginning their preparations, reserve food, water, guns, ammunition and off-grid survival supplies are keystones for emergency and disaster preparedness. While these are absolutely essential to a well rounded SHTF plan, Ferfal further expands on traditional ideas by incorporating modern survival strategies, especially for those living in urban settings, including topics such as securing your shelter, risk assessments, riots and looting, defensive driving, weapons selection, knife fighting and self defense, post-collapse financial opportunities, bartering, and reality-based anecdotes.

    He also includes discussions on how you can expect your local and central governments to respond when chaos reigns supreme, supply shortages leave tens of thousands without food in their bellies, and the value of your currency is equivalent to toilet paper.

    In light of recent developments in the USA and Europe, which suggest that governments are not only aware of the near-term possibility of currency meltdown, bank runs, and widespread rioting, but that they are preparing response plans which may include deployment of military personnel and detainment of citizens, Ferfal has allowed us to reprint portions of the relevant discussions on this topic to help you better understand what to expect and how you can prepare for it.


    Your Government After the Crisis

    People want to believe in “change” or “hope” and thus grant him [The President] that power.

    He promises he’ll use this power wisely and only for a little while. Like a little boy with a new toy, he promises to give it back soon. But that toy is SO nice, it makes everything easier for him and it feel so good to play with it…

    In Argentina that toy was called the “super powers.” So-called emergency powers beyond the powers usually granted to a president by our Constitution.

    Combine that with rampant corruption and placing puppet in the Senate and the Supreme Court, and governors in a few key provinces. A president in Argentina holds more power than a king of old Spain or England ever did.

    And so freedom is lost and things become more “medieval,” as in the relationship between the king and the peasants.

    “How does that reporter dare to criticize what I do? How dare the weak, whining opposition question my demands?”

    Little by little, they get drunker with power and lose their perception of normal political reality until they no longer even bother covering things up.

    …In Argentina, the official statistics managed by the INDEC are openly modified to fit whatever the president wants. 22% unemployment looks bad to our international investors, so a good patriot is expected to submit figures of 8% instead. That sounds much nicer. Besides, the worst the media can do is say it’s a lie. The “official” number is 8%, and some will call that figure bullshit…but it’s so much better than everyone having that 22% number in their heads.

    Things reach a point where everything is bullshit.

    What to Except From The Government After The Collapse

    After an economic crisis and with a “benevolent” authoritarian figure in charge, you can expect the following:

    • Expect Corruption: Maybe in their minds, it’s not even corruption. The high ranking politicians simply do extra-legal “favors” for one another, and perhaps they even believe their own BS speech, that they are doing them for “the greater good.” Or perhaps not. Perhaps they are just greedy, lying crooks from the very start.
    • Expect Loss of Freedom: Particularly the loss of gun rights. Americans should keep a close watch, and consider gun rights to be the “freedom barometer.” There will be direct attacks on the right to keep and bear arms. Reinterpretation of the Second Amendment. Indirect attempts such as taxing ammunition and firearms out of the reach of the average citizen. A greater number of legal requirements to own firearms. Some people believe that armed citizens don’t stand a chance against a national military force, especially one as powerful as the United States Army. This is the bullshit lie all governments around the world want you to believe, but the reality is very different.
    • Expect Censorship: We’ve experienced a growing amount of censorship in many forms. Calls from the Presidential Office directly intimidate reporters and news directors. There are threats of legal action and tax persecution to anyone that dares question the government… Phone tapping and email reading are widespread as well.
    • Expect an Inefficient Legal System: With growing crime, fewer resources, and possibly significant amounts of corruption getting in the way, the legal system will become slow, inefficient, and in some cases it may not work at all. For example, in Argentina legal resolutions not only take years, these days you can’ even expect justice at all. For some reason I’m not entirely certain of, even murderers and serial rapists are not being incarcerated. A disturbing number of them are being sent right from court to “home imprisonment.” I suppose it’s mostly due to prisons already containing over three times their maximum population capacity, and there being few resources to build more prison space.
    • Expect Failing Public Institutions: Hospitals, schools, and public transportation companies that receive government tax subsidies have all collapsed and are in awful condition where they do still function.
    • Expect Crumbling Infrastructure: The roads, bridges, and public infrastructure will get worse as time goes by.
    • Expect a Cultural Change (for the worse): I’ve seen bookstores, coffee shops and theaters closing, to be replaced by casinos, pastoral churches that are as bad as casinos (they steal people’s money promising salvation), bingo halls, drugstores where they mostly sell booze, porno shops, and internet booths, gloomy stores where people that mostly look like perverts get online.
    • Expect More Extreme Poverty and Shanty Towns: No big secret here either. It happened in the USA during the Great Depression and it happened here in Argentina after 2001 as well. Even now, the “villas” (shanty towns and tent or cardboard shack cities) are growing like a fungus all around Buenos Aires. People also take over abandoned factories and hundreds of families live there. Usually a local thug takes over and rents or sells the space.
    • Expect a Smaller Police Force: And expect police to concentrate mostly on the capital and major cities, in the downtown business areas and the nicer looking more affluent neighborhoods, usually in that order of preference. The government behaves very much like a cellular organism. When resources are scarce, the police mostly concentrate in the center, capital cities and places where high ranking officials live, leaving the suburbs and smaller towns to fend for themselves.
    • Expect “Commando” Criminals: This is how we refer to criminals that have certain “professional” backgrounds. Usually they are ex-cops (or even active duty cops) or ex-military. They are well armed, well organized, know how to use modern communications and they do intelligence work before a “mission.” These are dangerous people and have the skills to do serious bank robberies, kidnap rich people in spite of their security guards, or assault guarded gated neighborhoods.
    • Expect Even More Corruption: One thing we know about in Argentina is corruption. It’s everywhere and it has kind of become almost a national sport. What we learned is that you can’t expect honest government employees, when the leaders themselves are making very questionable decisions. This grows like a cancer in a democracy and eventually it’s impossible to eradicate it.

    Regarding how governments act when the SHTF, this book is arriving a bit to late in some regards for Americans. Some of the things I talk about are already happening and will have serious impact in the immediate future. There will be consequences that will last for years, maybe even decades.

    These excerpts have been generously shared with our readers by Fernando Ferfal Aguirre and were originally published in his highly rated book The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving The Economic Collapse.

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    1. Sam not sam says:

      bingo..

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      • Anonymous says:

        How about a nice game of chess?

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        • SmokinOkie says:

          I like to play ckeckers down a Floyd’s barber shop. But you gotta watch him, he cheats.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I prefer Global Thermo Nuclear War!

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          • Hammerun says:

            Great article, it made a lot of sense having never have gone through anything like that. It kind of give one a little insight as what to expect if it comes to a real total Governmental collapse, from someone that has been through a flying shit storm like that. But the next question has to be, realizing it coming, how the hell do you prepare for something like that. I pondered this question for some time. In concert with my wife, this is what and how we came up with on how to attack this question. I don’t want to write a newspaper on this, this is a condensed version.
            Put yourself in an unimaginable situation. You come home from work one day and the stores are looted and closed. The gas stations are closed and out of gas and you have a half of a tank. You have $47 in your wallet. The banks are closed and the ATMs are empty.
            Primary question; how long could you and your family last, there where you are at?
            How much food is in the house?
            Can you protect your house and family?
            Can you run away out of a situation?
            What if one of the family need medical treatment?
            What if something needs to be repaired?
            To the more extreme, what if the utilities go down? All of them.
            Do you see where I am going with this? Americans in general have led a very cushy life. You run out of milk you hop in the car go to the store and get some. If you need gas, there it is on the corner. And cash is at the bank, on you or there is the credit card. Now take these systems out of the loop and what do you have? Where are you at? In a couple of days you notice different cars and people in your neighborhood. A couple more days you hear a big thump and there is a strange car out front. You look out a bedroom window and there is three men trying to kick your back door in. What are you going to do?
            This is just the tip of an iceberg. Most people that read here, SHTF, have thought on this level, and most would be my guess, have taken corrective actions as best to their ability and capabilities. I don’t think any of us knows or has any idea how this is going to come out, BUT, those of us that have taken these things in own hands might just change our outcomes. Most likely! Our kids know; if the shit starts flying, get your asses out here and bring everything useful, with you. They know what’s here and why. We, my wife and I probably are not going to last all that long in a sustained situation, that’s just the way it is.
            Ask yourself these questions, expand on them and see where you are at.

            Remember; You are where you are at because you wish to be there.
            If you don’t like where you are at, change your mind.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            “You look out a bedroom window and there is three men trying to kick your back door in. What are you going to do?”

            Hopefully you have firearms out and handy, considering the rest of the mess. I suggest firing the first rifle round directly through the door, then firing on both sides of the door jamb, about 6″ to either side, through the wall. Wait a few seconds for things to get quiet, then using the holes you made in the door to see if they’re still around (or if – more likely – the survivors have ran off to find easier pickings.) If there’s still noise, set the rifle down and pick up the handgun or shotgun.

            If you luck out and manage to kill all three? Search the bodies, then the car/van/whatever and take what you find from it (this includes using the bucket+screwdriver method to recover the gasoline). Drag the bodies to the now-empty car and chuck ‘em in there, doing what you can to cover any indication that any of it came from your house.

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          • ninaorket says:

            “Hello professor faulkin, Do you want to play a GAME… ?” for everyone here… who wins at “tic-tac-toe” x’s or 0′s… ? ;0P hmmmmmmm tis’ a trick … ?

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        • ScoutMotto says:

          Movie reference: War Games

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        • Ben Dover says:

          Later…Let’s play global thermonuclear war!

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      • KY Mom says:

        Reading this definitely should be a wake up call to everyone. Yet, so many are unaware and/or don’t care.

        FEMA Continuity of Government Plans Prep Total Takeover of Society, Dispatching Military Domestically Under Economic Collapse Emergency

        …”FEMA documents that confirm information received from DoD sources that show military involvement in a FEMA-led takeover within the United States under partially-classified Continuity of Government (COG) plans. It involves not only operations for the relocation of COG personnel and key officials, population management, emergency communications and alerts but the designation of the American people as ‘enemies’ under a live military tracking system known as Blue Force Situational Awareness (BFSA).”

        FEMA Document on the Coming Lockdown Quickly Pulled Down

        (Within an hour of posting, it was pulled from a U.S. government site. To read the original pages, go to the link below.)

        (www.infowars.com/government-censors-document-revealing-plans-to-wage-war-on-americans/)

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        • cyrus says:

          The thing is, most Americans have never seen a country collapse. Not counting Uganda, Iran and Lebanon (I was there at the final collapse not the build up to it, I have seen 4 countries collapse. What people will do to each other is unbelievable. Don’t worry about FEMA as much as the gangs. They will own the metro areas and branch out from there.

          http://codgerville.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/when-the-poop-hits-the-oscillator/

          Everyone needs to get serious. When the currency collapses so will what is left of our amoral society.

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          • Odd Questioner says:

            Agreed. The government will probably be the last thing you have to worry about… there are a lot more criminals than cops and soldiers, and the cops and soldiers will be too busy trying to protect either themselves and their families.

            Good news is, I got a couple of damned fine survival books and a shiny new WaterBob for Christmas this morning. :)

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        • Gregory8 says:

          We are collapsing; it’s just a matter of how fast and by what means. Many believe in the Mad Max version of a sudden and catasrophic end. If there is a large war with some nukes, then yes, it’s Mad Max. If not a war but a serious economic fall, then it will be more like a series of many smaller crashes, occassionaly punctuated by slightly larger ones as the government try to re-inflate the economy. After each “bump” we will level off to a new economic low and people will breathe a sight of relief and think that that was the last one, like earthquake tremors. Each new “low” will eventually become the accepted norm until the next “bump”. But I could be wrong.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            Somehow, Greg, I do not think that you are wrong. This whole situation looks a lot like the old ‘boiling of frogs by turning up the heat slowly’ routine. The liberal agenda has been pushed in this basically center-right country via incrementalism… tiny changes and losses of liberty that eventually result in socialistic slavery… for our own good, of course.

            The US and world financial system is finally being revealed as the house of cards that many of us have known for years. Crushing debt that we are barely able to pay now will become immediately devastating when interest rates rise… which they will. If the gubmint is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar it spends when interest rates are at 0.25%, what will happen when those rates go to 1%, 2%, or even 4%? What will happen is usually referred to as “GAME OVER!”.

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          • MrPicky says:

            Actually, ‘Mad Max’ represented the slow crash. A period of time where things are falling apart, with dwindling police presence and a steady increase in gang activity as the normal folks try to figure out what to do.

            It was this slow crash that lead to the apocalyptic craziness that was seen in the sequel ‘The Road Warrior’ – which is what most people think of when they say Mad Max. Watch the first movie sometime – it shows the stumble before the fall, at least the Australian version of it.

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      • Slim says:

        “Suspended recession”

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      • Anonymous says:

        O God, Who makest us glad with the yearly expectation of our redemption;
        grant that as we joyfully receive Thine only-begotten Son as our Redeemer,
        we may also see Him without fear when He comes as our Judge.
        —Roman Missal, Collect for the Vigil of Christmas. (Gelasian, ca. 6th century)

        May all God’s Graces be with you and your family through the New Year.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        They have a survey of favorite survival sites over at survivaltop50.com Guess who’s #1? Way to go, Mac!

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    2. Anonymous says:

      A hug.

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    3. Slim says:

      Chicago style politics is becoming a national sport.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Slim

        That’s good. Witty and accurate.

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      • GrayFoxGreen says:

        Slim:
        I lived in the windy city when most things worked IF you knew how to “deal” with the “machine”.But things got done,small and median businesses prospered,people could find jobs and crime was a minor problem in just a few parts of the city and everyone knew not to go there(unless you wanted drugs,etc.)at night.The dark vision this author writes about is something on a scale that’s unimaginable for us at the present.Yet,things are finally at the tipping point.2011 may be remembered as the last year that even the illusion of the American Dream exists.
        You’ll WISH for “Chicago style politics” as CHANGE occurs.
        Best to All till next year!
        GFG

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        • Slim says:

          I will not wish for Chicago style politics. This country’s leader is dishing it out now & I’m not eating it. Too bad him & bell couldn’t vacation where they own a house.

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          • GrayFoxGreen says:

            Slim:Not saying I loved “machine politics” at all,but read the latest at Blacklisted:Bank Of America Dumps $75 Trillion In Derivatives On U.S. Taxpayers With Federal Approval.
            Even the “Chicago Style” didn’t get close to this.Looks like ten cents on a dollar will feel like a million from the FDIC when this FUBAR hits!More like the TWO CENTS on the dollar my grandfather got after 20 years from the Bank when it closed.And that was BEFORE FDIC!The FDIC was in the lower range to repay before this was ALLOWED by the current President and REPOCRATS in congress.
            Best to ALL
            Keep your paper $$$ close and you PM’s closer.And Zip the lip as to what you got,paraphrasing the saying of WWII.
            GFG

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        • RWS III says:

          GFG,
          I live in So. IL. and down here we despise Chicago style politics now, and I don’t think we’ll beg for it in the future. Yeah things get done, down stater’s get crap yet have to help foot the bill. Higher taxes to try and pay for the crooked deals made by Chicago dems. is just one of many examples.

          If anything maybe after the increment hits the whirling blade we’ll be able to do what so many in central and southern IL long for. Split this state into two,granted it would be very lop sided in physical size, as most of the counties would be red state and Just Cook,Lake, Du Page and a few others staying blue.

          We still don’t have concealed carry, all because of a few counties and Chicago. Meanwhile my tax dollars pay for police to be security guards for our former Gangster in chief Mayor Daley.
          No wonder 1 resident leaves this state for another state every ten minutes of every day because their sick of Chicago style politics.
          I’d leave this state as well, as a matter of fact I did 22 years ago, I returned 2 years ago when I really started to see how bad things were getting. The reason is I’m the sheepdog of my family, I can’t make them leave here and I just couldn’t abandon them.

          Nope around here we don’t much care for Chicago style politics.

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      • ninaorket says:

        “chicago style, justice! will soon Be Taken by the american patriotic citizens… against the nwo bilderboybuggers and zionistjews destroyin’ america!”

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    4. AKKEV says:

      We are just about there…………

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    5. Richard in Denver says:

      Great article! Scary stuff but expresses the reality of the things that can possibility happen and more than likely, will happen. However, most people in America just don’t get it. They say it will never happen in America. They say we, the people, are too smart, too sophisticated, too educated, too independent, too well informed, etc., etc.

      This mentality is almost identical to what the German people believe as Hitler and the Nazi party gained control of Germany. Only a few recognized it and left Germany. They warned their friends, co-worker, and neighbors who said it will never happen in Germany and remained to find themselves trapped. Many lost everything and certain ethic groups even lost their lives.

      It can’t happen here? Come on people open your eyes!

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      • Excellent points Richard… When aware Germans realized what was going on and left for freer pastures circa 1937 I wonder if their family and friends thought they were crazy tin foilers… How many people in Europe and the USA realized the invasion of Poland was the beginning of world war II? Hindsight is 20/20…

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        • Richard in Denver says:

          Mac Slavo, You got that right, 20/20 hindsight is so much more accurate than 20/20 foresight. I guess that’s why many people believe we preparers wear “tin foil” hats.

          On another note: God always prepares and protects a remnant of people. Let’s hope we’re a part of that remnant.

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        • Dante says:

          Mac, most people in Europe and quite a few in America realized that the invasion of Poland was the “start” of WW2. And after Sept 1st, it was near impossible for anybody without money and power to escape. The people who saw the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, the re-occupation of the Rhineland, the Anschluss of Austria, the seizure of the Sudetenland, the takeover of the rest of Czechoslovakia, or the Russo-Nazi Pact as the start of WW2 and planned accordingly are a better comparison to where we are now.

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      • Sheepdog says:

        Sad thing is, there is nowhere to go by leaving the country. Either way, it is our country and someone has to stay and keep Her anyway.

        “They say it will never happen in America. They say we, the people, are too smart, too sophisticated, too educated, too independent, too well informed, etc., etc.”
        I say that is the reason why out WILL happen here. Those reasons and that we are drugged, ignorant, unmotivated, on the govt teet, etc…

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      • Eagle 71 says:

        Totally agree Richard. In your analogy though, the Germans who actually figured out what was happening in the early-mid ’30s and left Germany had some place to run to. We don’t. We either hunker down in place, or kiss it off and head to Fort Apache (aka, your bug-out cabin, if you’re lucky to have one).

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        • Richard in Denver says:

          Eagle 71 you are right, German people certainly had more countries to run to but, unless they got as far as Great Britain, their running may not have be far enough as Hitler started rolling his invading army thru Europe.

          As far as here – there is Canada for the few in the northern part of the USA that may be able to get there and that is assuming that Canada will fare much better than the states. I would, for sure, stay away from Mexico.

          Probably the best bet for most in the state is to stay put (unless, like you said, go to your bug-out cabin). Get to know your neighbors and see if you can partner up with some, if not all. Find a house that can be best fortified. Store up your essentials and assume that all utilities will be cut-off (no electricity, no water, no gas equals no refrigerator, no running water, no cooking, no flushing toilets, etc.).

          Essentials include things like food, water, weapons, ammo, sanitation products, first aid kit, some gold, lots of silver rounds (preferably silver Eagles), cash, barter items, lots of batteries, flashlights, candles, warm clothes and blankets, a cooker that uses multiple fuels (like butane, coal, charcoal, wood), fire starter kits, and a Katadyn Pocket Water Microfilter (it’s expensive – $268.75 at Amazon, but most in Israel have one and the U.S. military uses them and I just ordered one and it pains me to spend that much money on one but I feel this is one product that may save my life) and anything else that can help you exist.

          Man, this is depressing! I’m going out for a beer. Well, maybe two or three or four or more. This is Richard in Denver logging off and heading out. See all tomorrow (December 24). And, a Merry Christmas to all Christians and a blessed Hanukkah (Dec 20-28) to my dear Jewish friends. Good nite.

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          • America used to be the haven for everyone else, but there is no American haven now! God has declared judgment, and we are getting a taste of it now. There is no place for anyone to hide now, not here, not anywhere. The ONLY refuge is Jesus Christ. Get saved, get filled with the Holy Ghost, and call on the Lord for His protection (see the 91st Psalm). He is the ONLY One Who will bring you through what’s coming. Amen.

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          • Chopolin Colorado says:

            I don’t understand why your so afraid of Mexico, the citizens of Mexico don’t have firearms! Only the Military and the Cartels and they are buisy battling it out against eachother! What I’m trying to say is that there are not very many weapons in Mexico as apposed to the States and your less likely to get shot at in Mexico. The North of Mexico is the bread basket of the country and is a very furtile area. The people are very family orientated and I believe that in a SHTF scenario, the cartels & the military will truce up to fight the good fight against the powers that be for the people! I may be wrong, but once the U.S. collapses, the cartels will lose it’s market & there will be a major paradigm shift! Anyways, my bugout spot is high in the mountains in old Mexico where my Grandfather taught me how an honest man can live off the land that God has given us.I wish you all the very best of luck in the coming turmoil. We all will need it!

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          • Richard in Denver says:

            Chopolin Colorado,

            I’m not afraid of Mexico, it just doesn’t make any sense to me to go there if SHTF. One of many reasons I say that is that there is no way I would go anywhere when SHTF without my weapons (you travel without a weapon and you’re dead). And, if you’re caught in Mexico with any type of weapon, they will confiscate everything you own including you car and you’re going to rot in one of their jails.

            Also, the State Department warns against travel in the border towns of Tijuana, Nogales, Ciudad Juárez, Nuevo Laredo, Monterrey and Matamoros. So, even if you know of a safe place in Mexico, getting there safely may a huge challenge, if not next to impossible. Also, you think corrupt police and gangs won’t be looking for American prey? As for me, no thanks, I’ll take my chances hiding out in the 2,959,064.44 square miles of land in the USA.

            In addition, the State Department says, “It is imperative that you understand the risks involved in travel to Mexico and how best to avoid dangerous situations. Common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas during daylight hours, and avoiding areas where criminal activity might occur, can help ensure that travel to Mexico is safe and enjoyable.” No thanks, I’ll pass going to Mexico but I wish you a safe journey when SHTF.

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          • Death_N_Taxes says:

            70% of Canada’s economy is USA consumption-dependent. If America collapses Canada is screwed unless/until the Chinese can jump in and steal America’s commerce and energy contracts from Canada while uncle sam is having his coronary on the sidelines.

            Hate to say it but it’s true.

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        • nobody really says:

          this respone is to several things here. Many folks will leave as long as they have money and a job if they are young; retired with money. Many countries will not allow you to come there as it takes a job from an existing citizen. I have done some research into this, it seems that a lot of the people leaving are retired folks with money or generally speaking those that have abundant supply already. Some countries require a minimum amount of cash in the bank to even become a citizen and monthly amounts of money that will be made while you are there as a citizen. So leaving is not as simple as it seems. If you don’t have money forget it. Bugging out to the cabin seemed like a great idea at first for me but, then I realized that much of the rural order council executive order (agenda 21) crap is geared at those who are self reliant in farm areas. The people in these areas are to be rounded up or killed so that the land can be re-wilded(confiscated). Which ever choice is made one thing for sure is that staying in or near the cities is very bad, as it is certain that if war happens nukes will most likely hit the main areas and even if that doesn’t happen millions of hungry folks will be going ape shit. The cabin scenario is great as long as it hidden well aptly supplied and there are few folks to do it with you. Otherwise the odds are just about the same where ever you are minus the large cities. What happens at the cabin if helicopter drops thirty armed troops at your location? In the suburbs or there abouts there is at least the chance to have many people band together for defense and plenty of places for cover. Any choice will have its pro’sand con’s. I have also had the deep thought about failure to defend myself (be captured) and be thrown into a camp or worse. If I can’t do it and this will sound crazy but not really; if it were to come fruition I would be prepared to take myself out rather than be slave in forced labor camp. Everyone will make their choice on this matter if comes to it; some will choose not and others will allow themselves to go to the camps. Many folks avoid thinking about death or any such thing as it disturbs them but, it is part of living always and part of the game is dying. How you go out is perhaps the only thing you may get to control, though not always. Just keeping it real…

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      • Richard, Einstein left Germany in 1933 because he could see the writing on the wall. Readers of SHTFplan are philosophical descendants of Einstein in that we see what others can’t. Maybe Einstein should become our poster boy.

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      • Richard in Denver says:

        Can someone show some compassion and rate my above comment? Currently it reads: thumbs up – 66 and thumbs down – 6 — it kind of creeps me out to see “666″ Thanks.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        If one but studies even a little history, one will soon discover that the locations wherein it is said that “it can’t happen here” are the ONLY places where it can! Only a flock of sheeple would make such a claim and it is they who end up having “it” done to them. Their complete lack of situational awareness is the primary requirement for the happening of “it”… whatever “it” may be. Just know that “it” is damned unpleasant!

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    6. GGINOR says:

      Fact is, Everybody dies. In the end there are only two people that will exist, those that see the end is coming and those that never will…

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    7. RICH99 says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • Pancho villa says:

        …mostly purchased with credit card debt…that’s real smart…. Smh

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      • Steve says:

        They’re spending because they know our money will become toilet paper very soon.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Indeed so. If a person uses credit to buy a lot of useful tangible items and then the economy or the currency collapses… so? They have the goodies and nobody is paying off any debt. Seems to me that those who are most in debt would be the ones who are the best off, materially and financially, anyway. The real trick are: 1) Will it collapse; and 2) if so, WHEN?

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      • the survivor says:

        I don’t know why this is rated so low, everything is a fact other than maybe a collapse, that could happen within hrs. all one has to do is go to the nearest city and stand near the cash registers at walmarts or Big Lots, people are acting like they just got an xmas bonus.

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      • Hammerun says:

        Rich99 here is a prime example of denial and a severe case of what I have been screaming my lungs out about here for the last few months, NORMALICY BIAS. Ones denial to accept the inevitable. Its blasting us in the face, him too but it’s too much to comprehend. Absolute denial until you are forced to deal with it up front and you have no other direction to turn. Some are going to survive this and some aren’t, want to take a guess as to who won’t? Pitiful. I hope he doesn’t have a dependent family.

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      • Sheepdog says:

        RICH99 may be right, Mac. Go ahead and close up shop.

        Save yourself the trouble of being a patriot journalist. Too much difficulty to be insurance for an eventuality that could never happen.

        Thank the Lord in heaven for timely and brilliant epiphany! I actually thought I was being a responsible husband and father. What a fool I have been.

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        • DPS says:

          Sheepdog

          Got love that sir, I wonder if noah every had that thought? Sorry I could only give you 1 thumbs up.
          DPS

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        • RICH 99 says:

          once again I will repeat what I said before but you chose to take the parts from it that suited your agenda. I said the collapse won’t be happening any time soon, I DIDNT SAY IT WOULDNT OR COULDNT happen. I said 5-10 years out. WANNA BET???????

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          • Crazy Talk says:

            Rich: I think this disagreement is a matter of semantics. A lot of people believe a collapse is coming as an event. Personally I think America will be robbed of the satisfaction of having a definitive end. The world won’t end tomorrow or next year or next decade but living conditions will deteriorate starting yesterday and continue for years to come. Persecution to faith to courage to freedom to prosperity to complacency to dependency to persecution. This model has played out repeatedly in history and we are not the exception to the rule. Living conditions have worsened in the last decade and class seperation has seen a significant uptick. Government cannot/will not improve this so we can expect more economic backpaddling to come. Is a tornado coming tomorrow? No. Should oklahomans be prepared for one? Yes. Point is while a catastrophic event is improbable it is possible and the tin foil hatters will be miles ahead of the curve

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            Rich, why do you say that? 5-10 yrs…that’s a HUGE gap of time…so I’ll ask you like I’ve asked others…what makes you think we have that much time? I’m trying to look at all angles…so let’s hear what you have to say!

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          • Sheepdog says:

            RICH 99 said…
            once again I will repeat what I said before but you chose to take the parts from it that suited your agenda. I said the collapse won’t be happening any time soon, I DIDNT SAY IT WOULDNT OR COULDNT happen. I said 5-10 years out. WANNA BET???????

            Okay, fair enough! I have been misunderstood more than once here. We are all a little scared and supercharged about this subject matter. Moral of the story is that we all need to clarify a tad more when tie into a big idea. We all have blood and sweat invested and get possessive of the big ideas. But at least you engendered some good conversation! White dove and flag… TRUCE!

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Sarcasm Alert! Sarcasm Alert! WHOOP! WHOOP! ;-)

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      • fliteking says:

        Take another xanax.

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      • nobody really says:

        NDAA is the action that speaks louder than words; actually it is in writing and can’t be dismissed. NDAA is the straw that has broken the camels back; if wanted to know what the near future was it gives you a pretty good f-ing idea as what to expect. Out of the 152 or 153 million folks that went out to shop on black friday most of which have no savings at all; the reports that came in from retailers were that the majority of all sales were bought with money from credit cards (money that these people really don’t have). Another report came out that many black friday shoppers were returning items bought (realized the mistake, buying with credit cards). Anyone who is not afluent or very wealthy already that is spending on superfluous items other than food and staples is for the lack of a better way of saying asking to get royally screwed up the posterior end. Some might say that this statement is bovine excrement, but conventional wisdom says otherwise. The collapse so far has been gradual I expect it will speed up to meet your definition and satisfy you soon enough. Starting next year; as it has already increased its pace. Read article at the bottom of the page. Stop talking outta your culo, holmes.

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        • Old Southern Man says:

          The NDAA is the most telling fact that the direction in which we are almost certainly heading. The last straw… not yet. As much as it worries me to admit it, I’m afraid we will see more legislation and executive orders to further facilitate there agenda and we all know what that is. Right now their pillaging our financial system and our currency through inflation of our fiat currency. After their finished robbing us it’s on to hard stuff.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          The reading that I have done on systemic collapse indicates that it comes in two basic flavors. One is the very slow and gradual type that seems to sneak up on people. The other is the bolt of lightning type that hits with very sudden and devastating effect. Political collapse tends to be of the former type while economic collapse tends to be of the latter type. Setting the scene for economic collapse takes decades, so is thought to be slow. Once the stage is set, however, the final and finally recognized end game portion will likely arrive like a lightning bolt. Being prepared for this as best we can is nothing more than the realization of its possibility and a tacit agreement that being prepared for disaster in general, if not for any specific disaster, is better than not being prepared. The phrase that comes to mind is, “It is better to have and not need than to need and not have”.

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      • Andrew Panken says:

        What a silly person to think because the stores are busy today that our economy is going well. Our country has massive debt and prints money to buy more of it from ourselves everyday, but this reader thinks all is hunky dory. LOL

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      • ScoutMotto says:

        Rich, note that these articles and their feedback are here for your benefit. Take the hint.

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      • RICH99,
        Look up Weimar Republic and how its citizens reacted JUST before their collapse. Not unlike the: debauchery and self-absorbed entitlement society we’ve de-evolved into today.

        Hint: Watch “Cabaret.”

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        • RICH 99 says:

          big difference between weimar Germany and the us.s today is that we are the worlds reserve currency and Germany wasn’t and if we go down so does the world butif weimar Germany fell it didn’t affect the whole planet! I understand that this concept is hard to understand but try to.
          We have been printing money for over 40 years and here we are …..why you say, well reread the top.

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      • Claymation says:

        Rich, My experience as well. The mall was packed on Wednesday. I wondered where most of them will be when the credit card bills start hitting in January though! Peace

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        • Claymation says:

          @ Rich, read a little further on and thought I should add this. Most people in front of me were paying with credit cards. Can’t say it is everyone just the seven people in front of me.

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          • Mike Yes that Mike says:

            Credit or Debit. These days hard to tell. But you are probably right most were credit and not just for the miles.

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          • RICH 99 says:

            and you know for a fact they were using CREDIT and not debit right? Just proves my point on the doom JUNKIES.

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          • Claymation says:

            Well rich If it is a debit card the cashier is prompted by their register to ask credit or debit. None were asked, not being blind I could see, for the most part, what the customers were swiping. Must stink spending most of your life as a H8R Rich, Rich 99 or Rich99, what ever handle you use!!

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      • Mike Yes that Mike says:

        Rich 99 should be exempt from the hidden rule. His statements are so amusing and in a few case have caused some real discussion on a topic. He still an ass. But so many are this day.

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        • Daisy says:

          If I see a comment that’s hidden, I’m absolutely going to click on it and read it. I just can’t help myself! It is impossible for me to skip over it.

          It’s very possible the negatively rated comments get MORE attention because you have to make an actual effort to read them!

          Come on….admit it….I can’t be the only one who MUST read the hidden comments! :lol:

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      • Girth of the Blues says:

        Gosh, Mr. Science! You mean just like when Vesuvius buried Pompeii and Herculaneum?

        Did you wind up at this site by accident? This is SHTF, not Unicorns ‘r Us.

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    8. Quick side note on Argentina and censorship:

      Argentine government wins control of newsprint

      BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — The paper used to produce newspapers came under government control in Argentina on Thursday, in a long-sought victory for President Cristina Fernandez in her dispute with the country’s opposition media.

      Argentina’s senate, which is controlled by Fernandez’s allies, voted 41-26 to control newsprint’s manufacture, sale and distribution to media friends and foes alike.

      Newsprint has been a key issue in the never-ending battles between the government and opposition newspapers. Since the early days of the 1976-1983 dictatorship, Argentina’s only newsprint provider is Papel Prensa, a joint venture majority-owned by its dominant newspapers, Clarin and La Nacion. The government has been a minority shareholder.

      Vice President Amadou Boudou said the law “will improve the quality of information and the plurality of opinions in Argentina.”

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_ARGENTINA_MEDIA_CONTROL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-22-18-19-05

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    9. Mariposa de Oro says:

      Does Argentina have a Homeland Security Administration? If not, then I don’t believe America’s experience will be the same as Argentina’s. HSA is putting the finishing touches on the police state infrastucture. I suspect Americans will have an experience closer to the Old Soviet Union, East Germany, Nazi Germany, etc.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Mariposa

        I agree with you. The US government likes control too much to just abandon sections of the country and concentrate on the cities when the wealth of food and energy is in the rural areas. If they are willing to invade foreign countries to establish their rule then they are willing to cover every square inch of their own backyard. Technology is in their side in a technologically dependent society requiring less forces to accomplish their goals. In one fell swoop the “problem children” get snatched up which puts a real damper on any opposition. “Ok so who want’s the bullhorn now? “Any takers”?

        The only wild card is how many LLEO’s and NG will refuse and will one or more independently minded states leave the union or at a minimum refuse to comply with what is perceived to be a violation of citizens rights invoking the 10th Amendment.

        May you live in interesting times the Chinese said. If this happens and is a quarter as bad as many claim interesting would not be the correct word to describe these events. The 1960s were interesting. This has a frightening ring to it.

        Boredom is so much better.

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        • Dean says:

          Kevin, What does LLEO and NG stand for? Sorry if its a dumb question but I just don’t know what it is.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “May you live in interesting times the Chinese said.”

          Right. But to fully understand this comment, you have to recognize that in Chinese, the comment reads closer to “May hideous events kick your ass”. Such is the meaning of the word equivalent to “interesting” in Chinese. ;-)

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    10. Fed Up says:

      Well, here in America we have all but the last three listed. Wonder how long before the last three happen…

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    11. I am seeing most of these things already. My father was a local politician and it is an old boys club. Even civil service jobs do not have to hire the highest test scorer and they can keep giving the exam until their man gets a sufficient score.

      I have a friend in prison and in the past couple years, they have released so many people without incarcerating new ones that his prison went from overcrowded to sparsely populated because Ohio cannot afford to house the prisoners. They state even sold one prison to a private company.

      My brother lives in Charlotte, NC and is often donating tents to the ever growing homeless settlements near suburban shopping centers.

      Like the man said, most enforcement and other resources will be concentrated on the cities. So get out now or have somewhere to go and be able to provide for yourself during the lean times to come.

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    12. 1. Second Amendment is under the most quiet assault ever through the supremes. A decision (heller) enhanced individual rights but as Michelle Obama specifically told a group recently in a public speech “we need only one to over turn heller” and once that is done there is no turning back. As we all know the medias outlandish coverage over ever negative gun incident (think Giffords) we’re only one away from ammo taxes, higher registration fees, and costs that keep firearms from the masses.

      2. We heard about it when Obama first took office but not so much lately; called the “fairness doctrine” which is merely an end to right wing talk radio since it doesn’t preach the socialist agenda it must be regulated. My guess is it will start preaching the socialist agenda to avoid this “regulation” (think Romney or Newt).

      3. Poverty/shanty towns are all over my area of California already – coming to a park near you I suspect some time soon.

      4. Police departments here have been forced to not re hire for positions as officers retire. Then our cities are getting smaller, but still this prophecy is coming true. Quite an article on Yahoo News yesterday about the militarization of our police forces under the auspices of $38 billion in homeland security grants….Fargo ND showing off its new armored vehicle…

      5. Freedom….while we can still go where we want, do much of what we want, the oversight of our actions (patriot act) and the potential for the total elimination of our freedom NDAA are starting to alarm more and more people.

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      • DPS says:

        Jim,

        Michelle Obama is the most anti-american lady to park her ass in the white house, second would have to be Hilary Clinton, I not sure where I read it but wasn’t it Hilary trying to slip in the UN gun bill the day the Deep horizon oil rig exploded? Once again watch this so I can slip something by you.

        DPS

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        • Anonymous says:

          “I’m finally proud to be an American.”

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        • Lakeside says:

          Politicians and their “better halves” know exactly how to game the system in the quiet of the night when no one is paying attention or are distracted. Every bill ever written since I have been alive has always had some kind of underhanded piece of ulterior motive, that most of us if not all were aware of would simply say “are you kidding me”? It still goes on today and the most disenchanting part is that the majority of the time the “little things” that get slid into what we peons think may be a good outcome, turns out to be a total one-sided benefit for those in the loop at our expense. What a crock of S%@^!

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        • GOP4EVER says:

          @DPS:

          F-*&^$%#@-ing michelle obama is not a lady

          she is a self aggrandizing, self glorifying, posturing left wing lier, enjoying undeserved luxury at our expense, because her husband is the “president”, and he is that because he is black.

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      • fliteking says:

        When it all comes down Calif will be a land of terror or a land of Opportunity, mattering where you stand morally.

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      • Thanks, Jim. One thing tho: There are **already** a massive number of guns in the hands of the American public now. In terms of gun ownership, the horse is already out of the barn. So, they really won’t be keeping guns from people, I think, as those that want them already have them

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      • But, as we speak of this, bear in mind Sheriff Mack has a convention taking place in Nevada for 2000 sheriffs nationwide—some attending through donations of their hometown folks, bravo!!— to train those in the constitution and their role to protect their county from all abc agencies.

        I’d say this is a good thing…and long overdue.

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    13. Redneck2 says:

      No. HERE’s what to expect. Washington will have way too little money/resources/people to care at all what happens in “flyover country” and will simply abandon it. Instead, it will “green zone” where the elites live and work (Washington and New York City metro areas) as they are tiny enough for limited resources to protect the hell out of as a garrison state.
      Washington will protect the hell out of the “people who count” (its own top ranks, investment bankers, hedge fund managers) and not care at all what Joe Sixpack does out in Indiana.
      Remember that in the end Washington abandoned California-size Iraq as even that much was too much area/people to rule long by martial law.

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      • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress says:

        @Redneck2,

        I believe you are mostly right except that before they abandon the flyover country to the hicks and rednecks they will leave them with a little present to ensure that they will never become a threat to their “green zone”. Biological warfare that kills off most of the ungovernable population in the rural countryside and scares the survivors to the cities/FEMA camps where they will be promised vaccinations in exchange for leaving their firearms behind. What use otherwise would there be for researching how to make a more virulant version of the bird flu that is easily transmitted among humans? http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2011/12/20/bird-flu-data-security.html My money is on our transparent government already having the vaccine created and stockpiled for distribution to the more desirable social classes and those who are politically reliable among us.

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        • Fed Up says:

          If any you haven’t purchased a sizable quantity of anti-virals, I would like to strongly advocate you do this asap.

          I had posted @ thedailysheeple about this. Indeed there is a vaccine for the Avian Flu, Robert Webster reverse engineered the virus and came up with a vaccine. Our government snatched it up and says they have it stored away “just in case” the virus ever mutates to the point of transmissability.

          Problem is it takes 3-6 months to generate enough vaccine to protect 1/3 of the population. By the time vaccine production would catch up, the pandemic would have gone through its first wave and the death toll would be astounding.

          Of all the threats that bother me, the deadly pandemic is probably #1.

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          • ninaorket says:

            ANTI-VIRAL HERBS… take all daily you wont get sick… they work.

            1> echinacea
            2> garlic
            3> onion
            4> red pepper extract
            5> tumeric root
            6> l-lysine
            7> vit c / C 1500 mg
            8> vit d / D is a daily must…
            9> collodial silver is a must take it internally and for topical application… (buy .9999 silver) keep in water jugs use electrolicist to make your own.
            10> general multi vit
            11> calcium magnesium iron vit

            and last most powerful a super anti flu is the … Elberberry Extract … help your body control the flu’s damage to your body and temp … it will keep you alive!

            ninaorket is a wilderness winter emt-b , national certified.

            do not abuse… consult a herbalist dietician and doctor prior to taking… for your own safety.

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          • Daisy says:

            Fed up – I’m not a real big fan of vaccines. If there is any kind of mass vaccine being given, I tend to “conscientiously object.” We really have NO IDEA what they are shooting into us, how the vaccine is incubated, or whether or not there are long term effects.

            I’m healthy as a mule and prefer to take my chances. Good hygiene and prevention are excellent deterrents, as well as the herbs that NinaO mentioned. It’s also important to get plenty of fresh air – that is very underrated but it builds up the immune system.

            One side note, NinaO – some studies suggest that echinaccea loses some of it’s preventative effectiveness when taken daily – it’s more potent when taken at the first sign of an illness.

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          • ninaorket says:

            stock up on anti allergy medicine… benedryl… as soon as you find you are sick…take as instructed… with full glass of water… drink warm green tea regularly while sick with honey add some cinammon , ginger root… the benedryl anti allergy will controls your bodies immune response… and keep you alive… babies, children and young adults are targeted by the nwo who u.n. fed influencia flu… the healthier you are the more dangerous it is for you… cause it uses your own immune system to KILL YOU! you must supress you immune system to survive the flu… control your bodies temp! no bullsheit! i’m being very serious too you all… anti allergy benedryl will keep you alive. cut all doses in half for children… and crush an 1 ounce of water that down for babies and use a water droper to give to babies… only a few drops for babies… too little is better than TOO MUCH for babies.

            this is for emergency shtf scenario only , go to civilian doctor , do not trust the v.a… consult doctor, herbalist and dietician , prior to use of all meds.

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          • ninaorket says:

            http://www.gardensalive.com/article.asp?ai=488

            edelberry extract info… i keep mine in the refrig… 6 bottles of it.

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          • AZ Ready says:

            Thanks ninaorket

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          • Nina Orket: Thank you for the excellent list of 11 anti viral herbs and supplements. I’d like to expand on #8. A doctor at a prison in central California gave all his patients vitamin D. When an epidemic of the flu broke out, 40% of the inmates were infected but none of those taking daily vitamin D. Many experts advise that taking 5000 international units (IU) every day not only protects you from the flu but also helps prevent a long list of serious diseases like cancer, diabetes, and heart problems. Please click on my name to read an excellent article on the subject written by a physician, Dr. Donald Miller, professor of surgery at Univ of Washington in Seattle.

            Dr. Rima Laibow goes a step further and suspects that if TPTB wish to eradicate a segment of the population, they will do so through intentionally tainted or “weaponized” vaccines. If you saw the TV miniseries, The Stand, based on the Stephen King novel, I hope all SHTFplan readers are among the pandemic survivors, but it won’t happen by accident. You have to take positive steps to make it so.

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        • Kyrathyel Nielsen says:

          The people around me roll their eyes and shake their heads at my mania, if I even mention this. My Boss had 12 employees a year ago. He has 8 now. He has more regulations and government rules to follow than he can keep up with. I live in AZ where the Federal Government owns enormous amounts of the land. We have been told that’s a good thing. Armed Government employees protect the land. Against what? People finding a way to live that isn’t in a slum. This was true 70 years ago. I know the waterholes, but so do the borg that believe that it all belongs to them. They would kill me if I picked up deadwood in a nondesignated place.

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        • yental says:

          @MHM, you describe an all too plausible scenario. Current “stockpiles and blueprints” for this ONE PURPOSE “discovery” should be “nuked” along with ALL responsible for creating such a horror!

          Another possibility is this “super bug creation” is more myth than reality. Other than another “propaganda scare tactic” why would this information go public. A fake outbreak with “created mortality/morbidity statistics” would drive an already “made aware herd” towards the designated corrals.

          Either way, “the purpose” is served.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Don’t get your knickers in a knot, Moon. As stupidly as TPTB act sometimes, even they know that bio-weapons are not viable and for a very good reason. Viruses mutate and they mutate quickly. When they do, the cure you have for the previous version may very well not work on the new and improved version. Mutation can make a very dangerous virus unstoppable and that would threaten them and theirs. Can’t risk that. Direct action is MUCH safer and is, therefore, much more likely to occur.

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      • Albert says:

        Redneck2 wrote :

        “Remember that in the end Washington abandoned California-size Iraq as even that much was too much area/people to rule long by martial law.”

        This is exactly right, but Red has overlooked an integral part of the strategy they will employ, which is consolidation.

        Don’t expect to hide in the ‘redoubt’ states (like Rawles would have you believe you can — he’s an operator) or to be left to yourselves in ANY quiet corner of the contiguous fourty-eight. The neighborhoods they don’t round up and detain, they will gas with bioligical or chemical weapons.

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        • Redneck2 says:

          Regime won’t kill off population of abandoned “flyover zone” as it will NEED them to provide fuel and food for the core cities (New York City and Washington) it “green zones” as essential. Nor will it risk Iraq-style insurgency in the food-and-fuel-supplying “flyover zone” by trying Iraq-style occupation, because that too would mean no food and fuel for the “green zoned” areas.
          Got to keep the tasty food and the fuel coming to Westchester County and Georgetown!!!

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      • Mposibl says:

        Redneck2 – I hope you’re right. I live in Indiana. I would prefer they ‘overlook’ us.

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        • ScoutMotto says:

          I would prefer they overlook the Denver area, but with their DIA tunnels, and Denver possibly slated as the new federal capitol one day, I have my doubts.

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      • nobody really says:

        Glad to see that someone other than me knows the game. The powers that be do not give a flying F-ck about any of us. Getting someone to accept that is like telling them that santa really is real once your an adult; nearly impossible to do. I salute you for the acceptance there of. The truth can be painful if you don’t want to hear it.
        How about DUMBS (underground military bases) prepared for nuclear war. None of us will ever get in to any of them…never! I have never completely understood peoples denial mechanisms; other than that they are just plain crazy and delusional to think otherwise.

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        • Albert says:

          Whenever someone mentions the DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases — for all of you who ‘no habla military-ese’) I always think of the passages from the Scriptures which tell us that in the end, the kings of the Earth (and their globalist catamites) will try to hide themselves in the mountains and ‘under the rocks’, but to no avail. The Almighty will send in his destroying force-recon angels to capture or kill every last one of the filthy ‘whoo-ahs’.

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          • nobody really says:

            Correct Albert, it happened before the last flood (noahs) where the satanic pagan (freemasonic) peoples hid underground from the destruction and they will attempt it again. The free-mason art works of the rainbow above an entrance to a deep cavern says it all. Hiding out from the wrath of God. I hope that every one of these pricks is destroyed for the hell they are causing…

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    14. Mr. Blutarsky says:

      Expect a government iron boot to be stomping on your head, that’s what.

      They orchestrated this collapse to gain control! And I promise you all, they fully intend to take advantage of it.

      Just look at all the hundreds of billions we are spending on security since 9-11. They took advantage of the situation, took our freedoms and it cost us a bundle – in more ways than one.

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      • digger says:

        9/11 was perpetrated by the worlds largest terrorist organization…..THE US GOVERNMENT to get Homeland Security and all the other agencies so why is anything we see now a surprise?
        The govt knows we are catching on why do you think the dominoes are falling faster and faster.
        If obama sees he is losing likely “something” will happen to enlist martial law and our savior obama will intercede and be our DICTATOR.

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    15. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • QuietFox says:

        As sarcasm, thumbs up.

        Otherwise, multiple thumbs down.

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      • eeder says:

        Mac, buddy , this is a good example of why you should get rid of this hidden becasue poorly rated feature… this is sarcasm and its contents should be given thumbs down.. because we dont want this,… but it should be read and its sarcasm… please dont be like all other websites.. resist what the government tells you….and while youre at it get rid of your commenting policy.. i mean good grief bro.

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      • nobody really says:

        black pope or is it poop as in sh-t; like pile of sh-it that spews only more shit. That gets scraped of the sidewalk and throw thrown in the trash.

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    16. SmokinOkie says:

      Watch the other hand. Or possibly, hands. Maybe we get something to go ‘bang’ in Iran. Not an actual war, but enough to get everybody’s attention. AND a cyber attack on a couple of important systems at almost the same time. They’ll be blamed on those dreaded chinese hackers of course. Might even have a big showdown over the budget and a shooting spree somewhere in the country as well.
      While the media is peeing its pants over all this, the gun control legislation, internet regulation, and any other nefarious laws the PTB want, is slipped in ‘for the good of the country.’ Television polls will, of course, show that most americans want this stuff to pass into law.
      Black swan? How about a whole flock of ‘em? Flase flag? Maybe several.
      Then again…maybe we should forget all this, just take our meds and get back in front of the tv. Like good little sheep.

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      • Anonymous says:

        “A flock of ‘em.”

        “Look Mommie, an airplane in the sky.”

        http://silverbearcafe.com/private/12.11/rppolicy.html

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        • SmokinOkie says:

          That was awesome! Thanks

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        • DPS says:

          Anonymous,

          Yep that one will get sent to all my e-mail contacts thanks.

          DPS

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        • AZ Ready says:

          Just went out to everyone I know. Hope they have the brains to watch. Thanks

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          • Anonymous says:

            What are you in here for? The big one: LIFE.

            You’re welcome Okie, DPS, AZ! And I, thank Mac for letting me post it… Pretty well confirms what I’ve learned the hard way.

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        • Girth of the Blues says:

          People say Ron Paul doesn’t have charisma, doesn’t have the zing you need to inspire Americans. If that’s so, why does listening to Ron Paul speaking truth about my country, my heroes and my belief in the Constitution just about bring me to tears every time? If you want to be honest, I think you could make a case that Ron Paul is God’s way of making the choice clear to America. Turn back now or accept your fate.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            Sounds as if you are saying that Ron Paul is a modern day Lot and he is visiting Sodom and Gomorrah to find at least ONE pious man? Hmmm… could be a tough job when visiting Sodom on the Hudson.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        SmokinOkie

        The majority of the public will buy it line hook and sinker. That lack of thought amazes me considering the history of the Government being at a minimum less than truthful and at a maximum downright fabricators of events, facts and the supposed truth. It’s almost like a collective Stockholm Syndrome where the people realize that they are held hostage by an omnipotent force and side with their captor. Thinking other than the official line is too frightening and therefore those thoughts are discarded.

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    17. the survivor says:

      I listened to and watched the video, then hopped in the old jeep and drove around the town nearest to me, a hick town with about 2200 people mostly brain dead democrats, retired state workers,some who work for the state now and many on the taxpayers tit with welfare or SSI. On the way back to the house I thought of all the people that I knew in the village now, at one time I knew everyone within a 25 mile radius, now I know very few, but I did come to one conclusion, I have to spend more time and money to help get Ron Paul elected. He still sounds like the best chance for America to get back on the tracks.

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    18. Y'all Beware! says:

      Mac,

      This is the text from the Power Point presentation that I mentioned before. Don’t know how to include the song “Don’t cry for me, Argentina” that is sung by Madonna or the presentation. The lyrics are below at the end.

      The song can be viewed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtg29-9GsE&feature=related

      People can minimize You Tube and read below. What hurts is substituting Argentina with America!

      In the early 20th century, Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world. While Great Britain’s maritime power and its far-flung empire had propelled it to a dominant position among the world’s industrialized nations, only the United States challenged Argentina for the position of the world’s second-most powerful economy.

      Like the United States, Argentina was blessed with abundant agriculture, vast swaths of rich farmland laced with navigable rivers, and an accessible port system. Its level of industrialization was higher than many European countries; railroads, automobiles, and telephones were commonplace.

      In 1916, Argentina elected a new president, Hipólito Irigoyen from a new party called The Radicals under the banner of “Fundamental Change” with an appeal to the middle class.

      Among Irigoyen’s changes: mandatory pension insurance, mandatory health insurance, and support for low-income housing construction to stimulate the economy. Put simply, the state assumed economic control of a vast swath of the country’s operations and began assessing new payroll taxes to fund its efforts.

      With an increasing flow of funds into these entitlement programs, the government’s payouts soon became overly generous. Before long its outlays surpassed the value of the taxpayers’ contributions. Put simply, it quickly became under-funded, much like the United States’ Social Security and Medicare programs.

      The death knell for the Argentine economy, however, came with the election of Juan Perón. Perón had a fascist and corporatist upbringing; he and his charismatic wife, Eva, aimed their populist rhetoric at taxing the nation’s rich.

      This targeted group “swiftly expanded to cover most of the propertied middle
      class, who became an enemy to be defeated and humiliated.”

      Under Perón, the size of government bureaucracies exploded through massive programs of social spending and by encouraging the growth of labor unions.

      These programs provided government jobs, attracting the peons from the
      haciendas and leading to large reductions in beef and wheat production.

      Note: In the 1970s, I travelled to Argentina on business. The inflation was so bad, taxi cab drivers were issued a printed chart each morning. The meter reading was adjusted using the daily chart to determine the fare.
      Argentina had meatless days because insufficient beef was grown to satisfy the local market in a country that had exported beef for many years. Argentina also was importing wheat, a country formerly one of the major wheat exporters of the world. –Vicar

      Hyperinflation exploded in 1989, the final stage of a process characterized by “industrial protectionism, redistribution of income based on increased wages,
      and growing state intervention in the economy.”

      The Argentinean government’s practice of printing money to pay off its public debts had crushed the economy. Inflation hit 3000%, reminiscent of the Weimar Republic. Food riots were rampant; stores were looted; the country descended into chaos.

      By 1994, Argentina’s public pensions – the equivalent of Social Security – had imploded. The payroll tax had increased from 5% to 26%, but it was not enough. In addition, Argentina had implemented a value-added tax (VAT), new income taxes, a personal tax on wealth, and additional revenues based upon the sale of public enterprises, taxes that crushed the private sector and further damaged the economy.

      A government-controlled “privatization” effort to rescue seniors’ pensions was attempted. However, by 2001, those funds had also been raided by the government, the monies replaced by Argentina’s defaulted government bonds.

      By 2002, “…government fiscal irresponsibility… induced a national economic
      crisis as severe as America’s Great Depression.”

      In 1902, Argentina was one of the world’s richest countries.

      Now, a little more than a hundred years later, it is poverty-stricken,
      struggling to meet its debt obligations amidst a major drought.

      The Democrat Party’s populist plans for the U.S. cannot possibly work, because government bankrupts everything it touches. History teaches us that ObamaCare and unfunded entitlement programs will be utter, complete disasters.

      The Democrat Party leaders of today are guilty of more than stupidity; they are enslaving future generations to poverty and misery. And they will be long gone when it all implodes. They will be dead and as cold as Juan Perón when the piper ultimately must be paid.
      DON’T CRY FOR ME, ARGENTINA
      Sung by Madonna
      It won’t be easy, you’ll think it strange
      When I try to explain how I feel
      That I still need your love after all I have done
      You won’t believe me
      All you will see is a girl you once knew
      Although she’s dressed up to the nines
      At sixes and sevens with you
      I had to let it happen, I had to change
      Couldn’t stay all my life down at heel
      Looking out of the window,
      staying out of the sun
      So I chose freedom
      Running around trying everything new
      But nothing impressed me at all
      I never expected it to

      {Refrain:}
      Don’t cry for me Argentina
      The truth is I never left you
      All through my wild days my mad existence
      I kept my promise
      Don’t keep your distance
      And as for fortune, and as for fame
      I never invited them in
      Though it seemed to the world
      They were all I desired
      They are illusions
      They’re not the solutions they promised to be,
      The answer was here all the time
      I love you and hope you love me
      {au Refrain}

      Don’t cry for me Argentina
      The truth is I never left you
      All through my wild days my mad existence
      I kept my promise
      Don’t keep your distance

      Have I said too much?
      There’s nothing more
      I can think of to say to you
      But all you have to do is look at me
      To know that every word is true
      {au Refrain}

      Y’all Beware!

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    19. Greg says:

      It seems like a major hurdle that society faces is that they’ve flipped everything around. If you speak out about any of this evil, you can be labled a terrorist, unpatriotic, or a terrorist sympathizer! Do you see what they’ve done? So you just have to sit back and watch what they do, or risk being carted off somewhere. It seems that with the bills which have recently been passed, and those that are soon to be passed, they’ve turned us all into the equivalent of “Good Germans,” those who were forced to simply look the other way while evil reined. Therefore, the time has come to “Speak Out” whenever people talk bullshit. A PEOPLE UNITED CANNOT BE BEATEN! That’s a major hurdle in this country because the system has so brilliantly pitted the races against one another and the cultures against one another. I say first things first, FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE!

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    20. Divegerl says:

      Hell, we are experiencing this right now – we don’t even need collapse! Can anyone imagine what a collapse from here will look like? Can anyone remember “Road Warrior?” Think I’m kidding…just wait when it’s a “free for all” on American streets. The Gov’t thinks they are going to take away gun rights; they forget there are millions of Patriotic citizens with legal guns here in America, and millions more with illegal weapons of the heavy duty kind. Just try and take away their toys and see what you get, that is when the real fun will start!

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      • DPS says:

        The first shot will be heard around the world, Americans will not stand by and let themselves or neighbors be disarmed!!

        DPS

        “…arms…discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. …Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived the use of them. ” – Thomas Paine 1775.

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    21. SmokinOkie says:

      Okay, just one more then I promise to quit with the silly poems.

      “The Politically Correct Version”

      Twas the night before the generically named ‘Holidays’
      And all through the green-energy-heated house
      Not a creature was stirring
      Not even a PETA protected mouse

      The children were nestled
      All snug in their beds
      While visions of organically-grown, naturally-sweetened plums
      Danced in their heads

      My domestic partner in her nightgown
      And I in my cap
      Had just settled in
      For a long winter’s nap

      My sleep was disturbed
      And I arose with a yawn
      To see a TEA party protest
      Out on the lawn!

      They chanted their slogans
      Just yellin’ and railin’
      About some guy named Paul
      And that insidious Palin

      I went to the door
      To confront them nonviolently
      And said Can’t we just have
      This ‘Holiday’ more silently?

      They sang some old carols
      But the words I don’t know
      I gaped open-mouthed
      As they stood in the snow

      I saw then my household
      Was really in danger
      For there in the yard
      They’d set up a manger!

      We can’t let this happen
      Not here, not today
      For the next thing you know
      They’ll want us to pray!

      Take away all these things
      Don’t make such a fuss
      If you’ll just leave out Christ
      We’ll have a happy (…)mas

      They left me some literature
      Then smiled and departed
      Though I know that they hate us
      They’re all so cold hearted

      I watched as they left
      Through the swept up snow drifts
      It was then that I noticed
      They’d left all these gifts

      My thoughts were perplexing
      Twas a mystery sure enough
      If they hate us so much
      Why’d they give all this stuff?

      Perhaps I’ve been wrong
      ‘Bout this holiday season
      Could it really be true
      There is One who’s the reason?

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    22. Giurza says:

      Lithuania:
      Expect Corruption
      Check!
      Expect Loss of Freedom (gun laws too)
      Check!
      Expect Censorship
      Check!
      Expect an Inefficient Legal System
      Check!
      Expect Failing Public Institutions
      Check!
      Expect Crumbling Infrastructure
      Check!
      Expect a Cultural Change (for the worse)
      Check!
      Expect More Extreme Poverty and Shanty Towns
      Almost.
      Expect a Smaller Police Force
      Check!
      Expect “Commando” Criminals
      Check!
      Expect Even More Corruption
      Check!

      Well, I’ll be damned! isn’t it wonderful, we ARE experiencing collapse. and there I was, thinkin’ how peachy life was in my little wonderful country under the sun of our Glorious Leaders (at home and back in Brussels)

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    23. DPS says:

      Why I support my 2nd amendment right.

      http://vimeo.com/17828284

      Merry Christmas shtf faimly
      DPS

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    24. DPS says:

      VRF,
      Knew you would love. LOL Life is short gotta have some good laughs. And thats Christmas Texas style..

      DPS

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      • VRF says:

        My daughter wondered what i laughed at, she liked it too

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        • DPS says:

          VRF the second one is almost as good.

          DPS

          Oh come on I see my stalkers is giving me the thumbs down.. I mean can you not like those video’s

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          • yental says:

            What is great is that each video empowers women via “the great equalizer”. Get you mindset set in concrete ladies, cuz I don’t care how “big and scary” THEY are, no of them will eat lead and keep coming. Thanks DPS, I am really in the “holiday spirit” now.

            On a more realistic note, while these “scenes” are staged, they can certainly represent reality. There is a “bad moon” rising in our near future, spend enough time and ammo at the range. When “pointing and pulling the trigger” becomes as second nature as walking/talking, YOUR MIND IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. Cheers and Merry Christmas and/or Holidays to all. Love it!

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          • Daisy says:

            My 11 year old daughter was high-fiving me after those videos! (She’s well-indoctrinated!) Thanks for sharing them, DPS, and Merry Christmas!

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          • DPS says:

            Yental & Daisy,

            You both a welcome and I glad to see smiles on your face’s. ( I can picture it) daisy I saw the second video and knew it was for you. I hope Santa brings you that Mossberg 12 gauge you want.

            Merry Christmas Friends

            DPS

            PS Daisy tell your daughter Merry Christmas from TX

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          • Daisy says:

            DPS ~

            Sadly, the Mossie isn’t going to happen, but I DID get truffles dusted with dark cocoa! Oh and the best gift of all? My best friend gave birth to my new god-daughter this morning! :) I love babies!

            Daisy

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “I mean can you not like those video’s”

            Not if you got a pair. ;-)

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        • DPS says:

          VRF,
          I hope you and your family get everthing you ask for from Santa.

          God Bless,
          DPS

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    25. grandpa says:

      Im so thankful of having such a disfunctional backstabbing family cause im as carefree as a grizzly bear rolling in the snow as some dumbass attempts to feed me a cookie…..

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “im as carefree as a grizzly bear rolling in the snow as some dumbass attempts to feed me a cookie…..”

        Yep… and the cookie is for dessert AFTER the main course! ;-)

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    26. fliteking says:

      A quick review of the bullet points . . . isn’t this all happening now?

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    27. ninaorket says:

      …something all american patriots might want to think about is LIVE NIGHT FIRE practice… once this kicks off next year you wont get a chance too do it… practice 50yard 100yard 150yard 200yard night shootin’… remember that glass deflects bullets, follow up the first bullet with a second on target and move, beware you muzzle flash will draw fire… shoot displace shoot displace… no lights, no smoking, people smell smoking and see the red glow, no laser sites-they just draw fire, start walkin’ at night, practice silent movement , learn to get comfortable with night noises and shadows… there are more of us FREEMEN than them… plan your raids on the nwo homes and bunkers on moonless nights, if enough of us FREEMEN veterans bring the war to their own nwo fed bugout cabins and ranches and bunkers locations they will soon learn they have no where to hide… not even in the rockies… learn where your local leaders live, mayors, national guard officers, police chiefs, sheriff’s and under officers, same deal for all local l.e.’s and feds who help the nwo enslave bring martial law to america… we FREEMEN can win this fight… stock up arm up take no nwo prisoners… hang em’ high, exterminate them where they stand.

      a good nwo fed bug, is a dead nwo fed bug!

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      • yental says:

        Agreed, my “night-time” response has holographic illumination that can be set dim enough for me to use as a sighting mechanism, without displaying a “targetable” glow for others to target. Night vision “force multipliers” utilized by my “spotters” is another factor that will help. Plenty of stored batteries for both.

        Also agree that next year is SHTF TIME. Make the best of this “holiday season”…cuz the next one won’t resemble THIS one much.

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        • ninaorket says:

          @yental ’0) thanks big guy… for having my back… happy Hanukkah too you @yental and All jews, even da’ zionist pigs… Merry Xmass to all christ lovers and Good Solstice to my fellow agnostics and pagan friends! ;0) Hope you all have safe holidays, and get lotsa ammo!

          p.s. i send a special “Allah Akbah” and “Blessings from Mohammed the Prophet be upon Thee, Insha Allah!” too all Muslims and Towel Heads around the world, especially those in gaza, west bank, syria, iran, afghanistan, pakistan, iraq, and eqypt! From the rockies of montana, may you and yours all be safe and enjoy your holidays free of violence from the zionistjews and americancia!

          later preppers… be safe!

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    28. mike says:

      Does anyone worry about the vacuum created when or if the gov’t falls? This country has valued resources globally. Why couldn’t another country try to fill that void, even if it is only far out states like AK, HI, or a seemly insignificant state like SD and ND for soil? Wouldn’t canada or mexico make a play for border states? Something to think about.

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      • Mike Yes that Mike says:

        Think Sub Captians

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      • DPS says:

        Mike,

        These are all great questions but stop and think about this.After the bombing of pearl harbor. 1 general stated, I fear we have awaken a sleeping giant, they did not invade American soil because they knew the would be a gun behind every blade of grass. When you take in to consideration the date you have to ask yourself, (How many more guns have been sold? how much ammo is really out there?) Some like to claim there are 90 million gun owners, and I respect that, but I also wonder how many guns are not registered and how many guns have been passed down to generations. If you have a day off go to any store that sells ammo and hang out, I do this alot this time of the year ( construction worker) you will see that people are not just buying a box or 2. They are buying at a rate that makes me proud to be a American.

        Sincerely,

        DPS

        And BTW Merry Christmas my SHTF family

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        • mike says:

          Agree with you about ground conventional war. But just a hypothetical. What would happen if Russia approached the US rebel army (and there would be one even if unorganized and fractured) and said to them that they would enforce a no fly zone over the continental US so that the US Gov’t couldn’t keep destoying it’s own citizens. All they would want in return is AK, HI and our promise not to screw with them while they are working their way to being the next super power.

          It kind of happened in Libya. I always marvel what our gov’t thinks is acceptable to someone else’s country they would be screaming sovereignty if it happened here.

          I know it is a stretch, but citizens don’t own f-18s and even if captured one don’t have the means to fuel and maintain.

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          • AZ Ready says:

            Mike, I understand what you are saying, but. If we go down as we believe, the rest of the planet goes as well. The only difference is that “we” don’t know how to live 3rd world as they do. I don’t think an invading force will be the issue. It will be the worthless POS that lives down the street I have to worry about.

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        • REB says:

          DPS…I got to thinking about that “unregistered gun” thing and you know I know of literaly hundreds of guns besides my own and not one is registered,I mean not a one,ziltch,zero,nada!
          Theres a pile of good tyrant extermination devices out there that the so called govt powers know nothing about that can be turned to good use in short order…now theres a comforting thought ;)

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “Wouldn’t canada or mexico make a play for border states?”

        Well, I live in beautiful Washington State, so can only hope that Canada makes a grab for us if all else turns to S and HTF.

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    29. Philippino Bob says:

      The preppers will be screwed-dead and so will be everyone else except the elite in their underground bases.
      This will not be just another recession/depression.
      We are facing a potential geophysical event(s) of biblical proportions where there will be only a few survivors.

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    30. Anonymous says:

      My email to Ferfal:

      I always read your articles, and really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great work. However, one small comment, re. your article today, where you discuss “pastoral churches that are as bad as casinos (they steal people’s money promising salvation).” Yes, certainly these do exist, and are an abhorrence to God. I fully agree with you in that regard. Christ Himself was harshest on those who used “fake” religion for personal gain (think the Pharisees). It is there in Argentina, and here in North America.

      Yet, I think you should make a distinction. Counterfeit money only exists because real money does. Wherever there is good, evil tries to mimic, then subsume the good into itself. Think of Dear Leader Kirchner trying to wear the mantle of “honest government “ and “democracy,” when she is anything but. Similarly, fake religion does the same. This doesn’t make real religion false, any more than Kichner taking over the government, calling it “democratic” or “for the people,” ad nauseam make democracy or freedom false.

      The reason I mention this is that, ultimately, there is no philosophical basis for truth or honesty, if there is no God (I would strongly encourage you to read the famed writer C.S. Lewis’ book Mere Christianity. I will send it to you in Spanish if you would like). At Fyodor Dostoyevski wrote 100 years ago, “If there is no God, ***everything*** is permissible.” This means ultimately morality can only be mere preference, and then you have the end result of the corruption you see in Argentina, or now in the U.S. We must not philosophically cut off the very source, or origin, of how we even know what good is. I would be careful to distinguish in your writing between false wolves that come in to ravage the flock (which the New Testament speaks about), and those who – such as Christians in North Korea (or I think of Luis Palau in South America) who are giving their lives for truth, honesty and their faith.

      Thanks again for all you do!

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      • It appears that he is not a Christian. From the outside looking in probably all look alike to him. I agree with what you are saying, but have seen money corrupt even the most Christ-centered churches. It will be better to meet in home churches that do not need to raise money for buildings, staff, etc. Offering in the form of food and supplies can benefit the pastor and needy alike.

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    31. nobody really says:

      This message is to those who still sleep; what will happen will happen, all we can each do is control how we will respond to the context given. The current set of events is prodigious and will effect and affect everyone. One of the things that makes me the most angry is the normalcy bias of those who don’t or won’t see the reality of whats happening around them when it happens. Done either because of stupidity or ignorance or denial. I can’t say more about the amount of frustration I feel towards these individuals and outright anger at the them. There is a saying that God only helps those who help themself. In the end once this place explodes and SHTF it is only fair to leave the dumb asses to their own ends. Those who want to pretend; keep it up. You can deny reality, but you can’t deny the conseqences of denying reality i.e. don’t pay attention to the gun pointed at you, but the bullet that flies through air and hits you in the chest will certainly get your attention completely and fully if you survive. A shame that it will take this for many to wake up and smell the roses. I am prepared for the worse and will hope for the best, however I will leave those who are ill prepared to die without remorse; I am no f-ing martyr. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make em drink it…..I will not die for the stupidity of others. Humans as far I know are the only creatures on the earth that are capable of self delusion; living in a dream or lie they create mentally and tell themselves it is real. It is a form of insanity and worse it has been repeated throughout history (Germnay rings a bell). Hence the statement doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is crazy. Another way to put is that Hell is repetition and those in it will attempt to pull you into their position within it (Fantasy,pretending that all is well). The truth and nothing but the truth will set you free. Stop lying to yourself and get ready for rude awakening that’s already in your face, seeing is believing and we are all seeing it now. As things get worse and money shorter and less prevalent, perhaps inflated (hyper) even. You will see that the veneer of so called civilized people will vanish and the animal behavior will come out… most people behave like monkeys already. Wait til the food gets short! Happy holidays.

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      • DPS says:

        nobody really,

        Do you really think the family on this site doesn’t know all this. Do the words preaching to the choir mean anything to you? I don’t wanna sound rude sir, but I have been coming here for a yr now and I have never seen your name.. However I do welcome you to the site and many of us have had this same talk over and over again.So I would have to say your talking to the awaken crowd here sir..

        DPS

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        • nobody really says:

          apologies amigo.

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          • DPS says:

            nobody really

            Its all good brother, I feel your pain so many asleep and will only wake when its to late..Welcome to the site and keep spreading the word.

            Merry Christmas,
            DPS

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          • AZ Ready says:

            nobody, welcome to the site. I believe you will find most of us here are on the same page. We do have different opinions as would be expected, but I for one have hope for the future because of the like minded people here. In this not so certain world, it is refreshing to know that there are others out there that feel the same way I do. Well, maybe not quite the same sometimes, but I will take them over the asleep sheeple any day!

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      • Highspeedloafer says:

        I must in all honesty agree with DPS, preaching to the choir. The fact that we all understand what you mean is evidence enough. Perhaps you would be better served to spread your concern in a place where people are indeed asleep. Thats what I do, and usually I am labeled a nut. Thats ok if just one person awakens. Keep up the good work though.

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      • ninaorket says:

        @nobody really ;0) lol, goooood ranting post! i’m glad you choose the “red pill”… an don’t let @dps an others here keep you from voicing your thoughts… ANY AND ALL THOUGHTS are desired here, we are a COLLECTIVE of FREE MINDS and we need the pot of thoughts stirred here with new thoughts every now and then… too stimulate our own minds! ;0) KEEP RANTING! ’0) wink… i like seeing @dps’s blood pressure SKY ROCKET ! ;0p pssszzt

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    32. AnonCommo says:

      Why am I being censored?

      Ninaorket, Yental, and others Please Listen!!

      You guys need to learn what Tor is and how to use it. You are being watched right now. I applaud guys like you because you are what we need to stand when the going gets tough. But in order to stand you will need to use secure commo from this point on otherwise a 3am raid will take you out of the picture quick.

      I’m a commo guy so my objectives are different although I’ll be ready to fire if need be.

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      • yental says:

        You have my attention. Expand your point and explanation as available. Fear is no longer a part of my considerations. When and if all speak as I and many others do, the proverbial writing will be on the wall for THEM. Will I survive that long? Maybe, maybe not. But the “stakes” have risen to the point that the ultimate prize is worth the ultimate risk for me.

        What I do and plan for now is for my kids and their kids. NO SACRIFICE IS TOO GREAT.

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        • yental says:

          BTW, I already have some “subtle” gifts in place for “3am” uninvited guests. I will “get some” one way or another. At this point in our “de-evolution” of rights and liberty, I already consider this WAR!

          And for EVERY other one like me “out there”, THEY are going to have THEIR few hands, compared to our many hands, quite full. Fear is no longer an option. If you have yet to “draw your own personal line in the sand”, TIME is about to render your indecision a DECISION you failed to make/implement.

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          • ninaorket says:

            @yental you “took” the words right from my own heart… it’s not about us, the adults any more, we’ve lived our lives… nows it’s about our kids and grandkids – living FREE AS FREEMEN from the nwo oligarchy terrorist global government!

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      • ninaorket says:

        @anoncammo… don’t fret about me bro ;0P … i’m well aware i’m red flagged and also being tracked… my firewall has recorded multiple sniffs and intrusion attempts from federal i.p. addresses in virginia… and my physical firewall p.c. has been repeatidly continuously attacked with dns attacks over the last year… so your warnings are valid and heard… i though am already on the dhs watch list, thanks to the veterans administration snitching to the dhs… so ummm ;0) thanks for caring but i’m already labeled a “badmutherphucker!” ;0) and they have done so correctly… as i intend to “bring it too the feds – come martial law day!”

        arm up stock up prepare – for martial law!

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        • jim says:

          This is total BS. You will not know gov is snooping your computer. This post is BS upon BS

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          • Daisy says:

            That’s where you’re wrong, Jim. The govt, if they are snooping, want you to KNOW it as part of their bullying campaign of terror. How many people would simply back off of something if they felt there was risk involved? Lots of’em, so oftentimes, the threat and knowledge of being watched is enough to shut people up.

            Roll your eyes elsewhere, buddy. You are dealing with a group of people who strongly believe in Evil and recognize it when we see it.

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          • ninaorket says:

            @jim

            run dos cmd > traceroute

            and then mapit… inbreeder.

            they have these things called “books” you might wanna read one someday…

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          • jim says:

            The gov may try to intimidate but what I am saying is when they want to know what you are doing, you will never know it! yo try reading tose things called books!!Read that post above this is total crap. I love reading these armchair commandos spout how brave they are when in fact they wont do squat except roll over do whatever the gove tells them to. Just for starters, look at TSA at the airports, it is going to happen on every form of transportation in the country from airports all the way down to TSA checkpoints on every road in America and you are not going to do squat but piss and moan.

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      • nobody really says:

        Yep correct, we are all being watched here. Started to say something about it but everyone knows already, at least they should. I dare say that this site was deliberately put here to fish for folks. I agree with many of you this basically a declared war against every citizen in th US for the most part.

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        • DPS says:

          nobody really,

          With all due respect I have to disagree with you on that post> This site was started by a man with a vision to enlighten the public and to spread the word the SHTF is coming.
          As far as it being watched yes I am sure it is but so what, I mean really let them watch I encourge it. Let them know we the people have had enough of this BS I for one know I’m on a list and don’t really care… It is my right to question what goes on with this country…

          DPS

          My Tho“Among the natural rights of the colonists are these, First, a right to life, Secondly to Liberty. Thirdly, to property, together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.” – Samuel Adamsught for the Day,

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      • ninaorket says:

        @xmass message for the feds trolling this site… peek a boo… i see you nwozionistjewgoyim irstaxdebtsoldierslave lil’fedpiggies too… ’0) wink!

        ((+)) we’ll be see’in you real soon… through the scope of my .45-70′s , tis’ a promise! lets see if your dragon skin bpv will stop a .45-70! kissess… ;0P

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      • yental says:

        @AnonCommo, I’m not the “sharpest knife in the drawer” with respect to TOR and the onion router concept. Should the internet and forums such as this remain viable, I can see the logic of your advice.

        Especially if the necessity to “ramp up” the rhetoric with the inclusion of more specific details emerges.

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    33. Guatemala Jose says:

      If you’re not taking steps to quietly assemble an emergency response posse with like-minded members of your local community, — you’re done for.

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      • ninaorket says:

        @guatemala jose , que’? i doubt it beaner… ;0P

        anyone one enters my house uninvited is gonna leave running in a ball of fire… ;0) SCREAMING…

        dragonsbreathe… will stop em’ hot in their tracks!

        go an try and scare someone else… i’m gonna scalp em’ as they die burning at my feet! ;0) and mail their widows the burnt scalps as reminders not all american veterans support the nwo fed scum running america into the ground… merry xmass… ;0P

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    34. Philippino Bob says:

      Hey guys, I am a prepper but from I understand this geological event will wipe out most of us.
      An impending (extinction level) volcanic eruption(s) will be the most likely culprit.
      The only escape is underground.
      The elite knows this and that is why they are building them for the last 50 years with illegal drugs smuggling money.

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      • DPS says:

        Philippino Bob

        I say good let them get underground, the way I see it is weld them doors shut. Or better yet a few yards of concrete goes a long ways. The way I describe hell is being stuck underground with those S.O.B’s..

        DPS

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        • Anonymous says:

          DPS, you just frightened the Fuuck out a mee. i can be as fowl as the next mouth, but if UR talkinn, ’bout my my famlly_ Well, it’s circular/ allggoooooodenoryGun.
          I Wish you and yours a happy ‘holidays, and DO NOT pick up a copy of Playboy

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      • mike says:

        Those are the things that I really don’t want to live through anyway. If a that super volcano erupts, the aftermath is from I have read horrible. It would be followed by a nuclear winter and an ice age. They say all plant life will die for a period of time. I would rather be at my friends ranch in Bondurant WY when it goes off. Would rather have my demise be quick rather than a slow starvation. But I can prepare for something that isn’t a catastrophic natural event. The other thing people can prepare for is a localized natural event. Even that new madrid fault going haywire. I have seen maps of what could happen. Even if someone were near that an lost everything, have a place to go. People are welcome at my campfire, just bring a skill, do not stuff.

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      • Justice100 says:

        Philippino Bob,

        From God’s lips to your ears? Do you truly believe what you are saying? Why do they need illegal drug money when they have plenty from us?
        I will stay above ground and take my chances; how about you?
        So many scenarios that it makes my head spin, I’ll just keep on prepping and enjoy every moment that I can. That old saying is the best advice, (Live every day like it is your last), because one day it will be your last. Whether we perish from a cataclysmic event, a tragic accident, or disease, who knows really what, when, and where. I love my kids and my animals, and my life right now, in this moment, and every moment that I take a breath.

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    35. Semper Fi says:

      http://www.johnmauldin.com/outsidethebox/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=outsidethebox

      Everyone please visit the above link. I find Stratfor an interesting read. If this article reads true, then we are not in for a collapse by any definition. In fact, if true, just the opposite. We should fare well. However, if Mr. Friedman suffers from the normalcy bias, then we are in for a catastrophic collapse as our fall is from a very, very great height. Personally, I do not know what to believe. The vast majority of folks I encounter are mindlessly engaged in their day to day activities: work, raising kids, etc. Many have not the slightest clue as to the state of affairs around the world. They are blissfully ignorant. I wish sometimes that I was so inclined. I would love to have some bliss. But, cursed or not, I am getting ready. As I have said before on this blog, I do not ignore the weather man, and I will not ignore the prognosticators of this great issue. I have more to do but at least I have the basics covered. Perhaps someday I will be seen as a fool. Regardless, living the way I have chosen is a better way to live. When I fade into obscurity after my death, I hope that my life has made some difference in the world. Maybe it will only be that there are a few more fruit trees thriving on the planet. Good luck to all you out there. Please don’t be too despondent. Have hope that we will all do well. Prepare for peace as much as you prepare for danger. Merry Christmas to all and may you all go with God.

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    36. Revelation 6:15-17….. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

      http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/d-u-m-b-deep-underground-military-base-for-2012/

      They know something is coming, too bad for them their underground caves will not be enough to shield them from the Wrath of God; and all the food and staples they’re storing will only be given to others by God in that day–those GOD says are to live on, THE MEEK THAT WILL INHERIT THE EARTH which doesn’t include the world’s elite!

      Come smite those evil bastards soon—Amen.

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    37. The same idiots fighting over sneakers as we speak are the ones that will lose it once those ETB Cards do not work and shelves are cleared of goods.Urban nitemare.

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    38. Death N Taxes says:

      it’s awfully hard to wrap my head around a TEOTWAWKI world where I am trying to keep a low profile and stay within the boundaries of authoritarian law so that I am not targeted for investigation and eventually being”disappeared” for my beliefs and my preps….while at the same time having to be in condition red (iminent combat) every minute of the day against prowling (hungry) neighbors and an organized underworld class that preys on the people while it bribes the police.

      I imagine everywhere I go carrying concealed two suppressed FN five-sevens with 30-round mags and a couple of frag grenades… (they will be available WTSHTF as soldiers sell them on the black market for cash and America’s enemies bring them and other man-porable heavy weapons in by the boatload so we can tear each other apart)….and having to be ready to go full-retard any second against overwhelming odds just to get home to the wife and kids…..and what if I win against a gang that has the cops bribed??? I’ll get disappeared anyway….

      I guess I’m trying to make the point that we don’t as yet know who the greater enemy will be WTSHTF and things begin to polarize around centers of power and control. The two biggest organized powers out there are the cops and the gangs and I believe that as preppers we will all be eaqually targeted and purged by both….

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Death & Taxes

        “I am trying to keep a low profile and stay within the boundaries of authoritarian law…”

        Being here and posting is sticking your head up thus increasing that profile quite a bit. After reading about all of this since Griffins book “The Creature From Jekyll Island” in the early 1990s and ordering quite a few copies for friends I figure I already made “the list”. Maybe quite low but there anyway. Well your in good company.

        I always been in the boundaries of the law but if SHTF I don’t think the rule of law will matter one bit.

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        • greaseman says:

          at some point, people will just ignore the law. when there isn’t enough enforcement people to go around, the only law will be the law of the jungle. it’s happened so many times throughtout history, it’s hard to count them all. Human nature never changes. you will have the unselfish sharing kind, and the scumbag thieves who would steal from their grandmother, and eeverything in between.
          I think that one of the biggest ideas that everyone needs to take away from this thread, is the idea that each prepper will need to be able to think on his own, and act, independant of any government so called help, or aid. But again, I’m preaching to the choir here.
          Good luck and merry christmas.

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          • Death_N_Taxes says:

            you’re right….the law as we follow it is just a game that we all follow to stay out of trouble so long as the STATE has the ability to enforce the rules and to mete out punishment. As society declines the LAW will evolve into a sophisticated revenue collection service for local state and federal law as it attacks the only people who will still be following it….the working class. (The poor won’t give a damn- they already don’t- and the rich will retreat behind private security, bribed police and politicos and their financial resources which already keep them out of court and out of prison.)

            Until TPTB can no longer prop-up the illusion that we are all equal under the law and that “crime doesn’t pay”….we middle class, taxpaying, preppers need to follow it to the best of our ability since we are the only ones keeping it viable.

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      • Slick says:

        F&N five-seven.
        I know of no other pistol that can hold as many rounds, re-aquire the target as fast, or reach out there and touch someone over a 100 yards away.
        D&T, I’m an awful shot, and even makes me look good.
        Nice choice for shtf side arm.

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      • NeoIsolationist says:

        I was considering the purchase of this very pistol. Problem is the civilian loads have inferior ballistics, which defeats weapon’s primary advantage. Not sure if we can buy the 527m/s LE/Military rounds. Anyone know?

        Based on what I’ve read the civilian loads don’t penetrate 3A, so defending yourself efficiently against organized law breakers who typically wear body armor is a no-go.

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      • GOP4EVER says:

        @ Death N Taxes

        My husband is a police lieutenant and I know FOR A FACT what you say about law enforcement is BULLSHIT.

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    39. Death N Taxes says:

      I believe that if America fell into civil strife and the people actually took-on the up-armored police forces and active duty army… (those that don’t desert to fight on the side of freedom and constitution rather than corporate controlled politics)… Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, China, Iran, Pakistan and every other nation out there that America has screwed with for the last 50 years will ship TONS of weapons to our ports to feed the slaughter. WHy fight us directly when you can let us kill ourselves along sectarian, racial, religious, economic, social, sexual, regional and even gender lines? EVERYTHING in America that makes us what we are has been politicized in the last 50 years…..there is literally nothing that can be said in the political spectrum that doesn’t arouse a victim or resut in hurt feelings or a lawsuit. Our enemies will find contact with these factions and movements and arm them the same way America has armed political movements in other countries for the last century.

      It’s fucking rediculous. All I want to do is have grandkids and to be able to pay my bills.

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      • R-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s.

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      • Daisy says:

        I feel you, Death and Taxes. There are times I wish I didn’t realize how horrible things are becoming in the world!

        Personally, I just want to grow my vegetables and herbs, read some good books, and hang out with my daughters.

        But I feel a responsibility to spread information, to prepare for the day when it all goes to heck on a greasy slide, and to be able to defend those girls as long as I have breath in my body. I feel a responsibility to do whatever small thing I can to fight this NWO that wants to subtly take control until the water has been turned up and we’re all boiling, because I want better for my kids and grandkids. I didn’t raise my children to be slaves for ANYONE.

        Have a Merry Christmas, DnT – I wish you peace!

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Death & Taxes

        “It’s fucking rediculous. All I want to do is have grandkids and to be able to pay my bills.”

        I side with that statement. It’s all utter bullshit. I worked 30 years of crazy shits and lots of long hours, lived below our means, saved, invested and now just want it safe and easy enjoying family.

        Have a Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you and yours celebrate everyone.

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      • GOP4EVER says:

        @Death N Taxes

        r-e-s-u-l-t, not resut

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    40. CarolieUK says:

      Happy Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year to you all

      Take care x

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    41. MM2nuke says:

      Wow, riots over shoes. Wait till they run out of food!
      This may be the last normal Christmas my family has, next year will be interesting. Kids getting warm clothes, pocket knives’s 20 Ga, and I got more lead for myself.
      Merry Christmas to all those awake, pray for those who are sheeple and may God wake them up soon before they meet him personally.

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    42. motormatt48 says:

      Merry Christmas, everyone…

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    43. eugend66 says:

      Mac, you and others may like this:
      http://www.kuriositas.com/2010/08/hangman-1964-animated-version-of.html
      The Hangman by Maurice Ogden.
      Merry Christmas !

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    44. clem says:

      “Things reach a point where everything is bullshit”.
      FerFal is great in describing these events. I came across his early work on this book through blogs, hoping that one day a book would be written.

      You got to get this book! This is a first hand account of the Argentina economic collapse in 2001.

      May be it will open your eyes to how things work in the real world.

      Cheers

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      • 41MagMan says:

        ““Things reach a point where everything is bullshit”.”

        Very true, Clem. Not only that but as we get older, our BS tolerance level declines. Some BS comes on the news, I rant about it, and my wife says “Calm down, dear”. I say to her, “Hells bells, Hon, this IS being calm!”. ;-)

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    45. Burt Grummer says:

      Not sure what everyone is so afraid of. Nothing is going to happen. We are all becoming debt slaves to the system (international bankers). The system will continue to be propped up forever. It will never be allowed to come down. Money will be printed out of thin air to support whatever form the economy takes. Welfare, unemployment, insurance benefits will be extended and available to more and more people. Everything is under control. Accept it and you’ll feel much better.

      Now you’ll have to excuse me. I need to continue loading magazines and need to take inventory of all my MREs in the bunker. Take care and Happy Holidays!

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    46. ponomo says:

      we the people have unlimited frn’s and resources. the M-1, M-2 “money supply” reporting was discontinued a couple of years ago….and a family that resides within the USA takes a $4 million trip to Hawaii… hard to believe. must have been a typo in the New York Times. Merry Christmas!

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    47. DPS says:

      Signs of a government collapsing. If you have the time you might wanna read this I know it comes from MSM but look at some of the stats. Now tell me this. Is all well? We have raised this topic many of times and looks like to me its happening now.

      http://news.yahoo.com/mentally-ill-flood-er-states-cut-services-131133880.html

      Sincerely,

      DPS

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    48. Sam not sam says:

      Heads Up…

      The Ready Store has instant oatmeal on sale for $4.25 per #10 can. 3 lbs., 24 servings, 20-30 year shelf life.

      This is a good price.. stock up.

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    49. BadAmerican says:

      Merry Christmas ya’ll !!

      I’m planning on ” hangin’ ” blue helmets as ornaments next Christmas.

      Rule of Threes

      Kill three, be free

      And remember:

      Relocation means…six feet under

      Reeducation means…six feet under

      Indefinate Detetion means…six feet under

      Bang Bang……..Bang, just like the video

      Be safe…BadAmerican

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    50. Y'all Beware! says:

      With some time still left to prepare before the collapse, what type of communications equipment should we purchase so that we can still communicate?
      Any suggestions for type and model numbers (Short Wave, CB, Ham, Walkie Talkie) as I feel THEY will be all over our attempts using computers, internet, email, Skype, smart phones, Twitter and Facebook to communicate? Mobility may be a strong consideration too. Thanks.

      Y’all have a Merry Christmas and a Prepping New Year.

      Y’all Beware!

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    51. Daisy says:

      Merry Christmas, folks!!!

      I hope you all enjoy a fine church service this evening or tomorrow (if that’s your thing), decadent and abundant food, and the comfort of being surrounded by friends and family!

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    52. ninaorket says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • Jim Peters says:

        You need help. Do you have a family and/or a therapist who can help you?

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        • ninaorket says:

          @jim peters… ;0P from my worldly military experience and real world american main street perspective it is you And the other 97% of the american worker bee Drone Goyim Debt Tax Slave amerikans who need help… help from your own fuxcbsabccnnnbc fed fbi cia mk-ultra false-flag brainwashed minds… keep taking the blue-pill… and living a lie… sheeple like you have a place in the nwo game plan too. for me personally in a shtf scenario you and your 97% fellow Sheeple are resources for me the predatory Wolf… ;0) and I am one of 100′s of 1000′s of veterans trained to be as I am… you better wise up! FAST! Or perish… your choice!

          preditor or prey the choice is yours…

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          • Jim Peters says:

            What is of concern is the fact that you appear only too happy to see this country fall apart and for a trigger to start shooting “enemies.”
            Conflict is not a happy thing and difficult to survive.
            You are angry at the system, thats fine, but try to channel it in more productive way. Try helping at your local hospital burn unit, help widows and orphans.
            Are there problems to address? Sure, but life in this country beats living in Kazakhstan or Zimbabwe. Instead of hoping for a societal collapse, work for positive change.
            Don’t just sit at home planning and dreaming how you will shoot people.
            It is not healthy long term.

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          • Death_N_Taxes says:

            you’re not helping the discussion here. go play your video games.

            I don’t think anybody on this forum relishes the idea of taking someone else’s life or seeing anarchy in America….we all just skeptically sense it’s going to go in that direction anyway and we wish to survive it if our government is either too compromised ethically or too overrun to take care of everyone.

            Regardless of corruption, NWO shenanigans, the creeping police state, increasing debts etc… we still have clean water, good streets, disease control, reliable mail service, and the corruption hasn’t reached a point where bribery must be utilized on even the most intimate levels in order to go about your daily life…can you do better??? can anyone do better?

            Until TEOTWAWKI comes and the house of cards collapses, if you want to celebrate the coming catastrophe and want to attack our imperfect but still mostly effective government and the programs that it still effectively pays for with our taxes… go post about it somewhere else…

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Troll?

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    53. Justice100 says:

      I wish everyone on this site a very Merry Christmas.

      I’ll be going out to my barn at midnight, I do every year because my Grandfather told me a long time ago that horses can talk at midnight on Christmas Eve, for one minute. I’ve been going out to that barn for years now but I still haven’t heard a word. Maybe tonight they will finally have something to say.

      Thanks to all, for the great conversation and humor.

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      • greaseman says:

        They’ve been talking all along, you just don’t understand them.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        The likelihood here is that grand dad had a dime bet with grandma that he could get the grand son to spend an hour in the barn listening to horses late on Christmas Eve. ;-)

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        • Giurza says:

          no, I don’t think so. this is a popular legend in Lithuania, Latvia and maybe Poland (don’t know about the latter)
          almost all children are told that animals talk on the Christmas Eve night. so I might guess that Justice 100′s granpa is from either of these countries :)

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    54. Kenjmr says:

      Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! God bless.

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    55. Silver bean says:

      Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you that visit this great site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    56. billofthenorth says:

      Most of these things have already happened in our major cities.

      The “it can’t happen here” mentality is already way behind reality.

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    57. “Some people believe that armed citizens don’t stand a chance against a national military force, especially one as powerful as the United States Army. This is the bullshit lie all governments around the world want you to believe, but the reality is very different.”

      You got it!

      SNSSW – Shoot-N-Scoot Sniper War. Organized militaries have *BIG* problems countering this when:

      Command is not centralized.
      The people support the same movement the snipers do.
      There is sufficient will to keep it going.

      Can you say *TERROR*? If a bullet glances off the top of your helmet everytime your head pokes out of your hole, will you come out? I certainly hope it never has to come to this, however, *THIS* is why there is a 2nd Amendment. The Founders knew it would eventually come to this if they didn’t put the 2A in place. Any attempt to take guns from Americans *IS*AN*ACT*OF*WAR* against We The People and will be dealt with as such. 100 Million gun owners will put up with lots of lies but when the gun grabbing starts, so will the use of all that ammo thats been packed away.

      TPTB know this and will avoid it until the very last.

      They have to brainwash us or starve us. They can’t take us by force.

      But, in America, I don’t see “The Government” as the big threat after it has collapsed. In fact the government is so incredibly inept now that its almost laughable when they try to do something. That will get worse, not better. There will be isolated pockets of government influence. And without the national infrastructure to track people electronically, their effectiveness is rendered local only. …which is just inside the range of a full thottle, 180gr Spitzer load in a 30-06. (Think 58gr of 4831 stuffed behind that 180gr bullet.)

      “They call him Scooter for he is the shooter they cannot find. His power comes through small bits of lead and copper left behind.” – Source Unknown

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      • DPS says:

        NetRanger

        Great story netranger, I woke this morning to a white Christmas with the sounds of a few thousand snow geese, I hope you have a great Christmas. Now back to cooking

        DPS

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      • nobody really says:

        As long as it only our own troops that will be ordered to assault us we, our odds are very good. If however, foreign troops UN, Chinese, etc… are brought in things will get very, very ugly immediately. I could see the gov’t making a deal with China to settle part the money we owe by allowing them to come in and by force confiscate land from the people to repay debt and then making political deals with them fro goods and resources. Not saying it will happen simply a possibility.

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    58. Highspeedloafer says:

      Merry Christmas to all of you here @shtfplan. It is a priveledge to know you all, and I hope you have a very happy new year.

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    59. usa721516 says:

      Greetings everyone, I’ve been reading and updating myself on these current trends from sights such as this, and kudos to all you moderaters out there, thank you so much for your time and effort and awesome articles, I cant remember the last time I’ve posted anything on any sight/blog what have you, obviously I am worried and thats the reason im writing this, I am a first timer here. I wonder sometimes If I am fully awake or still wakin’ up, its tru that we as a people of this great country are so much in denial, I see this in my own family and friends, but I find myself struggling too within myself often times and wonder, What in Hell is Goin On. It all seems surreal. If there is a Government shutdown/collapse/takeover by some military agency here in Hawaii, all I can say is thank you to all those who took heed and sounded the trumpet, I started hearing them back in 911, and its been a mental/physical prepping excercise ever since. ” prepping in Hawaii? “…you bet, 70-80% of goods come from California, that line gets cut-off we’re done. Aloha

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    60. major says:

      I am a retired military officer and I know how seriously military members take their oath of office to the Constitution (its not to the President). They will not obey illegal orders expecially those to attack our own citizens. I believe when Obama attempts to issue such orders, he will instead be himself arrested along with many key administration officials. There will not be a successful unilateral take over of the government by this administration. The military will never support it. If they attempt to import a mercenary army to do their bidding?; well, it will be the 2nd civil war of America.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Sure they will obey illegal orders because they don’t determine their legality. They will round up people in violation of the Constitution, it’s been done before. Come with us, we have orders. Oh you refuse to comply? All enemies foreign and domestic and your refusal to comply just put you on the domestic list. Remember this is for your own good.

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        • Giurza says:

          bingo! you hit it on the head

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        • Slim says:

          You can put the wrong into the right but you can’t take the right out of the wrong. Integrity is there before one is lead down the wrong path if it was there at all. Look at our political leaders that have never served in the military. Look at our political leaders that have served in the military. They are slaves to power that don’t recognize themselves in the mirror. Once a star is put on (0-7) you become a politician.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Thanks Major. More people that have never been in the military need to watch this…

        http://silverbearcafe.com/private/12.11/rppolicy.html

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      • nobody really says:

        correct indeed.

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      • DPS says:

        major,

        I do agree with you on that most of our men will stand with the people. Both of my step sons say the same thing. (both army rangers) There will be a few that are bat sh-t crazy and will do what they are told but for the most part they will do whats right.

        DPS

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        • mike says:

          I keep telling my friends this. I think the army would arrest protesters, but engaging ones’ own citizens crosses a completely seperate line. Something happens when you are in a foreign country that enables a soldier to be able to block out what they have to do and rationalize it. That cannot happen within these borders because you have a connection to all 50 states through your friends serving and in the back of you mind you know what you are doing to strangers someone else is doing to your relatives.
          I truly believe that the number of “oathkeepers” unofficially are exponentially larger than on the website.

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      • nyquil762 says:

        Major, I am a former US Army Military Police Officer and unfortunately, I believe that most military members WILL obey and follow illegal orders. My guess is 80% will follow illegal orders (I hope I’m wrong!). We Americans should prepare for this unfortunate reality. Most of the members of the military are as “brain dead” as the citizens that they protect. We have been fighting illegal and unconstitutional wars for more than 10 years yet most continue to follow order given to support illegal and immoral military actions even as I write this message. Good luck to us all either way. nyquil762

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    61. Patriot One says:

      Nothing!

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    62. 41MagMan says:

      Hey, Kev… is that when we ask them “What part of F*** You!”, is it that you do not understand?

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    63. nobody really says:

      Taken my post huh. Too real for ya? You guys talk about fu-king war against your country and killing folks if need be but can’t handle what I said. Well fair enough, I’ll elaborate differently then. Basically I have scorched earth policy for my self and possessions (food, whatever) if I can’t keep no else will get it. All of it will be destroyed in fire. Mac piss off. It is not auto check either it was up last time was here and now its gone.

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      • AZ Ready says:

        nobody,
        Hate to tell you this dude, Mac does not censor this site. Don’t know what happened to your post, but it wasn’t Mac’s fault.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Well looks like an apology is in order to Mac. Don’t know WTFIU here but now the post has magically after 24 hours reappeared. My point is that if this a free open blog site then let it be………..or are we already seeing censorship rear its nasty little face? If Mac is not the source of these issues then I redirect to the guys behind the scenes.

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    64. Out2Sea says:

      If you haven’t done so already, go to Ferfals blog http://ferfal.blogspot.com/ and review his earliest postings. Also review http://www.survivalblog.com/.

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    65. Gunsmith says:

      ~To ALL~

      How about a wee bit of light humor for ‘Boxing Day’…see link below & enjoy………………………

      http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3029

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    66. johnnybee says:

      Anybody see any pigeons today?

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    67. Gunsmith says:

      ~To All~ (post #2)

      And lest we forget our blessings this ‘Holiday Season’…please allow a moment for quiet reflection on those who’ve suffered as victims of a lie ……may GOD rest their souls & be their avenger!!!

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc1_woman.html

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    68. Gunsmith says:

      ~To all w/ some mechanical skill sets~

      Holiday project using empty #10 can & a handful of household items.
      I’ve built one myself for laughs…..(homemade fallout meter)!!!!

      http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p938.htm

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    69. anonymous6.8 says:

      Police, the militia, the Army have a centuries old history of doing what they are ordered to do. Which is to serve the power elite. If it means shooting the citizenry too bad so sad.

      Before you get too rosy a view of “they will do the right thing, they will side with the people” there are dozens of examples of the police and Army massacring the people from the earliest days of our country. Not, “what they’ll probably do.”

      What they DID.

      Howard Zinn: A People’s History of the United States. With sources cited.

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      • Orwellian States says:

        True in many cases, esp. in labor problems, riots in NY during Civil War, etc. However, Zinn’s work, as a source, is from a major lefty point-of-view.

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    70. Mad Max says:

      This is already going on today.

      Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad
      for your health and your future. Can’t you tell? You have another choice – use it!

      “WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
      Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

      Enough talk, it’s time to get organized.

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    71. Brian says:

      The lastest report is that China is pulling the plug on their stock market wednesday to trigger that total collapse for the beginning of the takeover of the US stock markets starting thursday.

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    72. GrayFoxGreen says:

      Gunsmith:
      4***!!!!
      I’m sending it to all my friends who appreciate a touch of clean humor these days!
      Well done!
      P.S.
      To All:HUGO
      The movie is well worth the $$$
      to see for the ENTIRE family,no “sex”,bad language or “dark” themes.Quite the rarity these days…and I watched it in 2D!!
      LTR,
      GFG

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    73. Amen-Ra-Ptah says:

      The real story behind the USA is that back in 1606 the King James Charter was signed into effect giving him direct ownership of any and all lands that the forefathers and settlers took from the American Indian people. It also made the USA a corporation, the president is the head of it; no title of royalty was ever able to be used to keep the illusion that we are a free elected country; hence all presidents are of decent from royal family lines. The Pres has direct loyalty to the British royalty. The british royal eventually gave control of the bank of england to private control and ownership (Rothchilds, etc…). The act 1871 codified Washington D.C as a separate corporation with its own constitution different from the original. We fought the revolution and supposedly won, however we paid damages and remuneration to the crown of England after we won; ask why? We were already owned as it was and the entire war was a plot/act to make everyone think they were in control of things here. Sorry never was the truth, never has been real and still isn’t. In 1982 Part of the district of coulmbia, in particular the 10 mile area where the capitol building and senate, etc…are became another country with its own rules and laws. Part of three cities that run all english crown interests. (DC, Vatican, London) trinity of evil; centers of control of the real royalty of England the Rothchilds, Warburgs, Oppenhiemers, and yes Shiffs ( Peter Shiff from Euro Capitol). Also a 13 amendment was created and added to the constitution but does not appear on copies today. The truth is we were never free at all ever and now what you are seeing is the tightning of the noose on our necks and soon the boots in our face. The USA has never been a true quote country always a corporation owned by the wealthiest families(royalty) of the world. Look it up folks it is documented; don’t believe me see for your self. Funny how this sh-t gets left outta the history books in college and in any school. The printers and writers are owned by the Rockefellas….one of the largets share holders in the city of London(like DC is a separate country, own laws, military,etc…). All of this is going back to the queen of England who gave the Rothchilds the ability to do what they are doing now on her behalf. Fu-cking hilarious right!!!! its all a big fu-cking joke. Be ready to be owned you already are. See for yourself.

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      • Amen-Ra-Ptah says:

        The one part of history they do still allow you know is how shitty it was when they could take your land and screw your wife and force you to do whatever they said. The serfs of a few hundred years ago experienced this and it is what is about to happen here again my friends. Ah! Human farming or political system of governence (Farming). Free range farming allows for there to much more production in the livestock(us). But when the livestock stop being productive for whatever the reason(in this case too much greed from the top down) the system will be done differently. It has failed now because it costs too much to continue the charade(entitlement programs, retirements, etc…)and is not conveinient anymore;the owners ahave gotten too greedy and it easier to just treat the livestock like animals. Every gov’t that has ever existed has been a organized effort to farm human beings by someone or a group, who has put them self in the position to own people(cattle). Power corrupts all and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is not about money, it completely about power over another absolute! power over another; the money is just distraction from the real show here.

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    74. Amen-Ra-Ptah says:

      Well there is of course two constitutions one for the Americans of the united states and the one made in D.C. The moment you were born and issued a SS # you became an employee of the second version and an employee of the corporation of USA. Tell me who owns the original constitution? That’s right the corporation has the original in their possesion!!!! Without documents like that how can you fight this legally even? The second you accepted any subsidy (SS,Medicare,anything) from this corporation you sold out to the original idea of what it was to be a real American. Self reliant people who took care of themselves’ whic is laughable now. Most people like to be owned now, they like the bribes they get.

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    75. Amen-Ra-Ptah says:

      So enough said; everyone that wants true freedom must therefore give up all gov’t assistance(bribes) go back to being personally responsible for themself and family. No more tax deductions, interest deduction on house mortgage, no more of any entitlement crap… be your own master for once; be accountable for your destiny, food,housing, etc… Otherwise shut the fuck up and be owned and like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t see too many people going for this version of things; so I understand what the actions of millions mean. As above, it is below. Sincerely stated.

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    76. Have this book and it’s a must read. Fernando relates his actual experiences in Argentina in a very engaging way.

      Also, his blog is excellent and a recommended link from our site.

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    77. Old Fuzzy says:

      We already have all of the listed “problems”. The only difference is they will become more freguent and more intense.

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    78. GrannyG says:

      Please note, retirees and ex-patriots : http://tinyurl.com/6phg6w2

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    79. Great point on the cultural changes as this is one you don’t think about. The emergence of shady industries will be quite prevalent.

      Sign of the times – McDonald’s lead all Dow stocks in 2011 (up 30% I believe).

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    80. johneypatriot says:

      i just received this email “unsolicited” from nwo NDAA traitors office of john tester – montana… and here is my response too his invite!

      this email is unwanted and spam… stop emailing me… asap!

      john tester is a traitor to the state of montana, american veterans and the united states of america… take me off your mailing list… when john tester finds his “patriot.big.hairy.—-’s” to stand up too the nwo bilder.boy.bugger illegal cia run federal government and the private owned federal reserve / greed driven wallstreet goldmansachs cartel/ incestuos bank of england/ inbred family rothschilds for the American Family FREEMEN AND WOMEN – All American Citizens , an Fights to Stop the imf one world u.n. world banker debt slave cartel AND the JEWISH AIPAC ZIONIST ISRAEL LOBBY who Owns The Presidency and Congress!

      give me a call and i will support him 100%… till then bugger off! By him voting yes for the ndaa , john tester showed his true colors , an is nuthin but a nwo sellout, just like max i love nwo.iraeli.zionist.aipac.money bauchus!!

      sincerely with warm regards,

      ninaorket

      From: Senator Jon Tester
      To: @ .com
      Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 7:15 PM
      Subject: Online Safety Forum in Kalispell

      #yiv255342141 #yiv255342141letter_header {margin-top:0px !important;}

      With
      Senator Jon Tester
      Lieutenant Governor John Bohlinger
      Attorney General Steve Bullock
      Superintendent of Public Instruction Denise Juneau
      Mayor Tammi Fisher
      Kalispell Public Schools Superintendent Darlene Schottle

      Thursday, January 5, 2012
      12:00-1:00 p.m.
      Flathead High School Auditorium
      644 W 4th Street
      Kalispell

      Click here to sign up for the event on Facebook!

      I suggest all FREEMEN and FREEWOMEN or America and their Families! Write Their On Congress Critters , TOO Give them ALL NOTICE that “THEY ARE FIRED!”

      My Regards to ALL FREEMEN and FREEWOMEN the WORLD OVER… YOU ARE THE “RESISTANCE” too NWO BANKER TYRANNY!!

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    81. johneypatriot says:

      I suggest all FREEMEN and FREEWOMEN For America and their Families! Write Their Own Congress Critters , TOO Give them ALL NOTICE that “THEY ARE FIRED!”

      My Regards to ALL FREEMEN and FREEWOMEN the WORLD OVER… YOU ARE THE “RESISTANCE” too NWO IMF BANKER TYRANNY!!

      *spelling correction reprint

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    82. Tony N says:

      Nazi USA Government Wages War on Us(1 of 2) , this is the results of a Society without Direction and leadership.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6at58Ho6rw
      New Nationwide FEMA Camps Should Raise Eyebrows
      In this In a nutshell, there seems to be a solicitation of bids occurring for the staffing of FEMA camps within 72 hours of implementation by an order from either Homeland Security or the president. This situation begs to be investigated, with special consideration paid to the motives of the
      http://www.earth-issues.com/2012/01/new-nationwide-fema-camps-should-raise-eyebrows/
      “We’re Going to Kill the Dollar,” Senior Obama Official

      Read more: http://www.beaconequity.com/gold-price-%e2%80%9cwere-going-to-kill-the-dollar%e2%80%9d-senior-obama-official-2012-01-03/#ixzz1ibkNJYB0

      Is this the sign of a Presidents Policy successes ?

      http://static.infowars.com/2011/12/i/general/kbr-doc.pdf

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