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    Map: Where You Don’t Want to Be When It Hits the Fan

    Mac Slavo
    September 5th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    When it hits the fan America’s population centers will explode in violence, looting, and total breakdown of law and order.

    It’s a theory put forth by numerous survival and relocation specialists, and one that makes complete sense if you consider what happens in a truly serious collapse-like scenario.

    Survival Blog founder James Rawles calls them the golden horde:

    Because of the urbanization of the U.S. population, if the entire eastern or western power grid goes down for more than a week, the cities will rapidly become unlivable. I foresee that there will be an almost unstoppable chain of events:

    Power -> water -> food distribution -> law and order -> arson fires -> full scale looting

    In his recent documentary Strategic Relocation, retreat expert Joel Skousen echoes Rawles’ warnings:

    The number one threat that I concentrate on. It’s not terrorism, it’s not natural disaster, it’s not even government or war.

    The major threat is population density.

    Because every crisis that threatens, even a local crisis, can turn exponential because of close proximity to people who cannot help themselves. Even good people panic in a crisis…

    So, where should you be when it happens?

    To find the answer, let’s consider where we shouldn’t be.

    Recent U.S. census data indicates that out of the 3000 counties in the United States, fully 50% of the population lives in just 146.

    If you want to have any chance of surviving a wide-spread catastrophic event by avoiding the hordes that will be searching for critical resources in its aftermath, then check out the following map to get a visual reference of the areas you want to stay away from.

    (Click here for larger image)

    US-population-map

    (For a complete list of the counties highlighted on this map click here)

    When considering your retreat locations or emergency evacuation routes, be familiar with the population densities of the area you’re headed to, as well as those counties in your immediate vicinity.

    In his book Patriots, James Rawles specifically points out that Highway 80, running through California, will be one of the busiest evacuation routes in the country as millions of people pour out of major cities to flee disaster or in search of  food.

    So, no matter where you are located, consider your proximity to high traffic thoroughfares going in and out of the city. During Hurricane Rita, which hit Houston several years ago, every major pipeline out of the city was jammed for hundreds of miles. Interstate 45 from Houston to Dallas was bumper to bumper traffic. Normally a 4 hour trip, those who didn’t evacuate in time were stuck on the highway without food, gas, sanitation, or potable water for upwards of 15 hours.

    This is why Joel Skousen suggests that those looking for strategic retreat locations or homes outside of major cities consider highway proximity. Be at least 5 – 7 miles away from any major thoroughfare, which is generally outside the range people want to venture off familiar roads, and far enough away to make any ‘walkers’ too tired to attempt the trip without ample clean water and food.

    If you have no choice but to be in a major metro area during a serious emergency situation, consider strategies that can help you remain sustainable in the city even in the midst of panic.

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    1. OutWest says:

      No problem here, the only thing
      I have to worry about is the
      cougars, wolves, and bears.

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      • Micmpk49 says:

        Shit!!! I’m in the blue!!!

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        • Iowa says:

          God I Love Iowa.

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          • two2wisper says:

            I have everything in the Ozarks of Mo. A Well that is deep enough to run a few households. 35000 acres of the mark twain Forrest out my back yard. The crystal clear Big Piney down the road. Food walking around everywhere. Firewood and so on and so on. I will still have to leave once in a while when the shtf I reckon , to go commit acts of guerrilla warfare against the enforcers of the tyrannical rule which is just what they will need. But that is what we all will have to do. Keep stocking up. It aint gonna get no cheaper. I just traded a truck grill for a 35 gallon garbage bag full of commercial toilet paper, the kind with the big center . I dont care about that as long as it does its job. Gonna keep on keeping on.

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            • Dishesdealer says:

              I live in the ozarks too, how many people do you think will come streaming out of springfield down 60 east looking to get to the mark twain to start homesteading once they figure out that nobody is coming to save them except death at the ft. leonard wood fema camp?

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            • Ashford says:

              May I live with you?

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              • two2wisper says:

                Maybe so Ashford . What can you contribute or skills?

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                • Ghost4Actual says:

                  If you are looking for assets, I would like to volunteer. What I and my son can bring to the table is 2 more shooters. I am an OIF combat veteran with 2 tours under my belt. I worked on a COLT (combat observation lasing team). 3 man teams to be exact. I am proficient in close quarters combat and also a designated marksman. My family is proficient in gardening and hunting. If this tickles your fancy, let me know. Need a bug-out-location bad.

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                • two2wisper says:

                  Ghost4actual Sounds alright so far. Just trying to think of a way to contact you if you are seriously interested. If you post a email or a p.o. box I will contact you. Just stay with this article and I will keep checking.

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                • Jean Mangun says:

                  Two2wisper,Please contact me at jeanmangun1, server is gmail. Thanks.

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            • Folks in Missouri, of which I am one, have to be concerned with the New Madrid quake. Which will probably happen soon after the Louisiana sink hole erupts. I see a chain reaction event. So being in MO isn’t the best place unless your far west. BTW, it’s best not to let folks know what you have either!

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              • two2wisper says:

                @ KM From every Map of the Madrid I looked at puts me well away from it. That Is why I chose the area were I am at. I do not know where you are at but I have to worry mostly about snakes, chiggers and ticks. Well we do got some cougars and black bear showing up on game cameras but that is it and we sit almost 900 feet above see level. I have never worried about who shows up, never known what intimidation feels like. And when you say its not best to let people know what I have, All I said was I got a good deal on shit paper …. I do not think folks care how much ass wipe a man stocks up on. We are counting on having prisoners and have set up accommodations for them. I can not control who comes around and I am far from naive ! So that is why I will not let a crisis go to waste. When there is a wrol situation there comes a two2wisper law.

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                • You realize that it will affect at least 5 surrounding states? Which means there will be massive flooding, nuke plant emergencies, (which will lead to fall-out), electrical fires, etc. It’s not only the initial quake to be concerned with, it’s what follows! Don’t be so smug into believing your safe and sound. With all the high tech toys the military has, it won’t be hard to find you. BTW, I’m sure most folks can figure out you have more than just shit sheets in stock – DUH!

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              • two2wisper says:

                Well KM you should try to understand that not everyone shares your fears about the world .The points you make could be used for every single state in US. When the Goverment gets to the point of tracking down every single Man in the woods , well then it is time for me to lock and load. I am not being smug I just am not a pussy is all. If some one wants to try and get me then that is that. You talk as if you are scared of life and everyone is gonna hunt you done if you say to much. I would much rather live a life of confidence = smug, than a life of paranoia. Sorry if my manly ways intimidate you.

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            • Confederate says:

              Is that why Iowa went with obummer in the last election?

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            • Hillbilly says:

              Woot! Gotta love the ozarks! Can get a little turned around with those ridge lines zig zagging; and I happen to know a little of the zigs and zags like the back of muh hand.

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            • Mr. Magoo says:

              I love fishing the big piney. Although I think since they put the prison in, it has gone downhill a bit.

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            • Tina says:

              May I please come live w/ you w/ my small child? I am in upstate NY and I have got to get out of here!!!!

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          • Nice story again Mac, I know ya’ll don’t hear much from me any more( Damn Health Problems). But I would really like to tell you preppers take time to live your life. Take of your shoes and walk through the wet garden, get a little closer to Mother Earth.. Yes I still prep, but never forget to enjoy the life you have. And if you think life sucks that bad well go to the homeless shelter and see whats really going on..

            Remember in the end we shall all be held accountable and we shall all die alone, Nobody is coming to save us.

            NOMI-CATIYMF,
            DPS

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            • I hope your health problems are short term DPS. Having worked construction lifting blocks, bricks and stones for 35 years it will eventually take a toll on your body.

              I imagine building log homes will wear you out after a while, too.

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              • JRS,

                Yes sir they are short term at least in my mind. Getting stronger everyday so its all good. And I always hated working with bricks and blocks. The logs can get heavy and do wear out your body fast but I still love it. I just may have to get some younger men to help out.

                Keep prepping brother it looks to be a cold wet winter.

                NOMI-CATIYMF,
                DPS

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            • Caratacus says:

              Well said, DPS.

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            • Wolf359 says:

              DPS,

              Sage advice.

              Its good to see you back here. I was just thinking to myself last week of all the people who were once frequent contributors and now have gone silient.

              Goodluck and best wishes. I hope you’re health concerns aren’t too serious.

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            • Im starting a U.s. DoomsDay militia CM

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          • Rock Hudson says:

            Why, because you can get married now?

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        • Prepared Pastor says:

          I considered Utah, but settled in the center of West Virginia near a large National Forest because water, game, and other natural resources are plentiful. Some places are remote for a reason and any place that requires irrigation, for example, will go back to being inhospitable. Our population density has not changed since 1930 before electricity and rivals that of the Redoubt, but our isolation is geographic rather than distance so during good times we can still get to high paying jobs while the roads are still open.

          For every person I know who moved to the American Redoubt I know ten people who will be heading there WTSHTF. Someone in an area too remote may have trouble defending their position so be sure to pick somewhere you can still generate a surplus until the event and have enough community to survive. Our mountain holler is far from the highway and vehicle entry can be controlled at one bridge near the entrance. Everyone already heats with wood, gardens, and hunts so culture shock will be minimized and they have useful professions like mechanic, welder, sawmill operator, etc.

          If you don’t have a lot of money or need to stay east of the Mississippi, you can buy a few acres that is almost impossible to get to even during good times PLUS build a solar-powered, wood-heated cabin with hot and cold running spring water for about $10,000. Food will literally walk past your porch every evening.

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          • Man on the inside says:

            Mmmmmm deer burgers…….

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            • braveheart says:

              Deer burgers and deer steaks. You can’t do any better than venison.

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              • Jake says:

                I mostly agree with you except that most of the deer, in least my area of the country, gorge themselves on GMO corn… But during SHTF that won’t matter

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              • John Q. Public says:

                @ Prepared Pastor

                You have made threefold foolish exegesis in a recent thread. I am calling you on it now.

                Firstly, Jesus Christ is the ‘root’ of Romans 11, not the Pharisees, not today’s Jews. The Pharisees tried to claim they were in Abraham’s lineage, but Jesus slapped them down: “And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father.” Matthew 3:9

                Secondly, Why weren’t the Pharisees in the lineage of Abraham? (Matthew 3:9) Why did Moses ‘accuse” them? (John 5:45-47) Only faithful Israelites followed the law of God. Contrary to your claim, the Pharisees did not have “the moral law of God.” Instead, Jesus said that the Pharisees “voided the commandment of God for their own traditions.” (Mark 7:9) The Pharisees boast that theirs is not a biblical religion, but one of their own making. The majority of both the Old and New Testaments tells of the defection of the Israelites and Pharisees. It is true Christians who are the true Jews, the true New Israel, the true lineage of Abraham and Moses, the ones who are “blessed” in Abraham’s lineage, (1 Peter 2 2:9-10; Galatians 3:6-8, and Romans chapter 4) It is by their fruits of war, genocide, usury, fractional reserve banking, swindling, and other crimes against humanity that you know the Zionists.

                Thirdly, God’s covenant was with Abram when he was a Gentile. The Covenant was with him, not with the Jews who were not even a tribe at that time. Genesis 12:3 has nothing to do with genocidal Zionists being “blessed.”

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                • Tenet says:

                  “And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father”

                  And how would that mean that they were not Jews? Abraham was NOT their father, he was the father of only a few people. Jesus didn’t want his fellow Jews to be too proud, that’s all. As usual you religious nutcases take one sentence found somewhere in your contradictory bible and pretend that it “proves” something very big. Ridiculous.

                  Jesus came from the tribe of JUDEA, which is where the word Jude, Juif, Jew, comes from. His uncle was a rabbi. His family practiced the Jewish holidays, like Sopot. They took him to a synagogue at an early age. He went to the synagogue in Jerusalem and called it “my father’s temple”. And lo and behold, Roman records, other countries’ records, as well as archeology and DNA testing of corpses shows that the “Israelites” were Jews.

                  And for many years, Christianity – which wasn’t called that yet, of course – was a part of Judaism, until finally it broke off to form its own religion, flattering the slaves and servants in the Roman Empire by saying “The last shall be the first” etc until they could take control.

                  Jewish media owners form a network that is detrimental to the West. Yes. But pointing out that fact to people is only hurt by religious nutcases like you, who try to “save Christianity” by pretending Jesus wasn’t a Jew.

                  Not coincidentally, you “Christian Identitists” have never done anything for the pro-American movement. You never work for the cause. You are just a handful of morons showing up in internet forums. And when you are seen in real life, people understand why.

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                • swampratt says:

                  John Q you hit the nail on the head only problem is most
                  modern day preachers have been blinded with lies and
                  will not except the truth they have the word in their
                  hands and still deny it good call thumbs up

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  Complete rubbish “as usual,” Tenet.

                  FIRST: There is not “one sentence,” but nearly 100 verses in which Jesus spoke of the defections of the Pharisees, hence, not in the covenant lineage of Abraham and also are “accused” by Moses. Not just the New Testament, but an overwhelming portion of the Old Testament, testifies to the defections of the Israelites too. I will post references below, so as to avoid moderation limbo. Hopefully Mac will allow the references.

                  SECOND: As the rabbis freely stipulate, Judaism is a POST-Christian religion that “first” (according to the rabbis, not me) sprang from the Pharisees, the defectors “accused” by Moses, NOT from “the Hebrew Bible.”

                  THIRD: Christianity sprang from Mosaic Law, NOT from those who had defected from Mosaic Law, Pharisaism, rabbinical, or talmudic Judaism. Christianity then has “no concord with Belial or unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 6:15)

                  FOURTH: Jesus was a Galilean, NOT a Judean as you claimed. He practiced true Mosaic Judaism, NOT Pharisaism. Jesus was a Jew by an honest religious, but not geographic, definition of Jew, but he was definitely NOT a “Jew” as the word has been carefully corrupted in contemporary usage. If you carefully read the Gospel of John in particular, you will see that his use of “Jew” changes.

                  FIFTH: The preponderance of genetic research (most of it conducted by “Jews” obsessed with race) indicates that MOST self-identified “Jews” are NOT semitic at all, but European, from the region of modern day Georgia (the region of ancient Khazaria). No big deal either way because there is no racial back door to Heaven and no racial chute to Hell. It is not race, but belief, baptism, and behavior in accord with Jesus’ teachings that afford salvation.

                  SIXTH: I am a practicing Roman Catholic, imperfect and a sinner, but not “Christian Identity.” What I have presented in these matters is exactly what the Catholic Church has taught for nearly 2,000 years (but has been pushed aside, even denied by heretics, since the Judaizing of Vatican II).

                  So, Tenet, you are in error on almost every claim you made.

                  You are only correct in noting the “detriment” of Judeo-Zionism.

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              • Anonymous says:

                Elk!

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Sounds like Tenet is whos the Fools one here. First you deride the bible, then you Use what the bible states as some type proof you are correct?

                  You are totally misinformed on most all you wrote tenet.

                  Christianity was NOT part of judaisim at first, untill somebody “thought” of a new name for it.

                  No Christ was NOT meaning jews should not be too proud!

                  Jesus as fully Man And fully God in the flesh, Knew all things. He knew those Pharisee and their jew followers were Edomites. Of their father abraham meant, from the OTHER abrahamic line from Ishmael and Esau!

                  Esau is Turks, Khazers, Askanazis, as what I posted yesterday straight from the old testement verses that describe which Lines of folks decended From Noahs three sons. Askanazi and Khazer were decendants from Noahs Third son, Japhet….Semitic people decended From SHEM.

                  Therefore semetic does Not properly refer to those who Today call themselves “jewish or jews”.

                  Go read the several posts I posted in the last 2-3 articles on these Exact issues and see for yourself what the Real truths are based on Both old and new testements.

                  Unless you prefer to abide by the talmud phony doctrines and traditions of Men of such ill repute as Pharisee Rabbis who Invented their Own man made religion. Which Christ Condemned as such.

                  If You truly do seek truth based on actual biblical text and hirtoic documented Facts, then toss that talmud and Buy a KJV bible for starters. After awhile then you too Tenet will catch up to folks like John Q Public, and a few more here who already have educated themselves on these issues. Untill you do, you won’t be able to carry on any relevant, honest, factually accurate discussion without showing others just how Lacking in truth and facts you are on these issues.

                  1/2 Hour spent Reading even the several posts I posted this exact related info on, from much wiser persons than all folks here combined are, will educate you more than an entire college semester if you signed up for one.

                  My Prior posts contain info on: Who is a jew?

                  Who was the First jew? Why Jesus was NOT a “jew” per se.

                  Plus much info on vast differences between khazars, and actual ancient israelites etc. Read those fact filled info posts I posted in last few articles here, and it will equal a masters degree when compard to so far what you posted shows.

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                • icecathook says:

                  Try horse, had it in Paris damm it was better, leaner, more taste, and in a red wine sauce, it rocks. Not much I give french credit for, but they know how to cook. By the way racoon, with all the stink fat scrapped off is a close second. People you need to keep a open mind, and put your “mouth” where your money is.

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          • braveheart says:

            Howdy, PP. I have an arrangement to bugout to a cousin’s BOL in north GA when the time comes. I have family spread out over that entire region. all of them grew up on farms so they have their own gardens and raising crops is second nature to them. they grew up in the prepper lifestyle. they all learned how to use guns, hunt, fish, forage, fight, etc. at the earliest possible age. I’m not ashamed to say any one of them are a better shot than I am. That will be rectified when I get there. No shortage of water, timber, or game in that region. for me, that will be heaven compared to where I’m at now. braveheart

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              Everything that you mentioned above is accurate.

              Except that the game gets decimated…Humans that have feed of the system will go first.

              The animals have a right to this earth since they have to live by the earths rules.

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            • swampratt says:

              TO Braveheart and fellow preppers why do you keep
              advertiseing where you are going

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              • Dave in Id says:

                @ Swampratt….because the NSA already knows Everything about us. Who we speak to and what we say. They know, or can find out through road cameras, everywhere you go. So it doesnt make any difference. Its not like a gangsta is reading this site and will find out where he lives then follow him. Our importance to the PTB is nil.

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            for a while.

            Then what?

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          • Gamer76 says:

            I would really like to where you are going to buy a few acres, plus build a solar powered, wood-heated cabin with running hot & cold water for $10,000. I would definitely like to get in on that deal.

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          • Huh! says:

            if only there were not so many Poisonous Nuclear Power Plants around you…
            And yes I have heard you say there are none in your state. But you are still surrounded by them.
            I think any thing east of the Mississippi river is asking for trouble.
            But wherever you go – there you are.
            Remeber to enjoy every sandwhich, these are the good ole days.

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          • Hey Pastor, our you near the Appalachian trail! I am looking to relocate near there? any suggestions?

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            • Frank says:

              Kay, I currently have 6 acres with a spring for sale. It is about 9 miles south of the southernmost point of the Blue Ridge Parkway on a paved side road off of Hwy 215 N. 215 N stems from Hwy 64 W, west of Brevard, NC. The Trail is not very far from here. If interested, let us know. We are asking $48,000 for it, but there is a system of roads with places excavated for a greenhouse, home, shop/garage, and a bank house already in place. Beautiful views as well, with a southern exposure.

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          • john coward says:

            2 legs walking pig, good to eat when all else fails.
            Just do not over feed, other wise too fat.
            To survive long, need long line of two foot/legged
            human pig. Note when all food gone, who walks on two legs.
            No guns, No ammo , komikalifornia 2013

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          • TripodXL says:

            @Pastor; Do watch your upwind though. If things all go down unattended reactors will become issues when the containment vessel blows. Not that there aren’t reactors west of the big Miss, but the vast majority are east of there and the “nominal prevailing weather pattern” and your distance from said facility are MAJOR concerns for buying property. I have only one facility around and that is upwind, but less than 40% of the time and over 100+ miles and I keep the Iodine pills up to date and on hand, even though 100 miles is way past the potential haz zone for any significant radiation haz. Be well.

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          • Tina says:

            Pastor, I do not have much but want to prep and cannot due to my situation. I am scared to death. I am totally aware of what is coming. Where might I go buy the land etc you mention for 10 g? Please private message me at tinavasudeva1@gmail.com.Thank you

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        • TheGuy says:

          You think YOU’RE in the blue? I AM the blue! I’m in the smack middle of the biggest blue blob on that entire map.

          9_9

          I wonder if I can MAKE a boat… worked for Cuban refugees…

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        • grey fox says:

          I saw this map earlier today and thought to myself, if any wacko with a bio weapon, virus or otherwise is bored and sees this they will have a pretty good idea of where to do maximum damage.

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          • Tina says:

            Fox, I always say the same thing!!! We give away too much info to help them! They have television! Even Osama had television! They watch our news they know what we know! I say we need to be extremely careful about what is posted and stated in blogs on TV etc. It will only help them as you stated perfectly!!!!

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        • Micmpk49 I wouldn’t worry too much, It will mostly all go “blue” soon enough afterwards

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        • knobster says:

          Spent 6 years in Houston, spent 8 years in Grand Rapids, MI and now I’m in a small Iowa town of 25K people. Gotta love it.

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        • You must have missed the part about 50% of the population being in the blue. :)

          Just make sure your plans for crisis situations take you far AWAY from the blue. This is a cool map, makes me feel even better about my BOL and evacuation route to get there.

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        • All I can see is trees, in every direction…
          We are 100 miles from the ‘bad place’ around the state capital…

          Got about ten thousand acres behind my house to hide and hunt in. My bug out will be north, about 1000 yards to the creek… where water, squirrels, possums, deer, rabbit and fish are plentiful…if the supplies run out… if you’re ever in the neighborhood, stop in and say hey…

          ;)

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        • So once again its the same…blue bad….gray good…does my rebel heart good…;)

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        • Ryback says:

          No matter where you are I think everyone will have their own “Escape from New York” situation.

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      • hammerhead says:

        lets no all forget about the one hundred mile “constitutional free” zone either.

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        • Be informed says:

          Disease. The germ is the number one killer of almost all life forms, the higher the population density the faster the spread of pathogens. Just look at the death rates in “normal” times in places like India where it is wall to wall people stacked on top of each other like matchsticks. WHEN there is some super virus, the areas that will die the quickest is where the virus can burn itself off the quickest. Like a chimney, people die rapidly when the nearly invisible germ strikes.

          Another very deep and horrible problem of higher population centers is that there is just nothing to go around after the shipments of supplies is stopped. High population centers are little enclaves that ONLY survive because of outside aid that comes in. Even the most suitable areas for growing food with enough water, heat, and good soil are turned into their concrete jungles that will die when they are no longer held together by the outside influences. Cities were NEVER meant to be self sufficient, and really cannot be because of the lack of what is necessary to grow food, that being arable and usable land.

          Another life and death mega problem with almost all large popualtion centers is WATER. Without pumps and electricity anyone above about the 3rd or 4th story of a building is f’ed when it comes getting water. Water is very heavy at 8 and 1/3 pounds per gallon and quite difficult to haul even if the city gets enough rainfall of has a reliable source of water. Another of course is CLEAN and SAFE water, as drinking unpurified water will likely get a person sick sooner than later.

          There are too many liabilities to mention about the downfalls of any populated area. Those that are stuck in one should at least consider bugging out before even of this begins. On top of large popualtions being the first areas to be targeted in war and terrorism, the very set up of the large city favors the place being more of a graveyard than anything else WHEN SHTF for whatever reason.

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          • sixpack says:

            Any free patches of dirt they have in most cities have been turned into “useful” things like parks, skateboard parks and parking lots…hope those skate boards and park benches taste real good…

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        • Dave in Id says:

          Thats not the whole constitution, just the 4th. And they do that all across the USA right now anyway.

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      • wrong says:

        Don’t forget the landsharks! I know they live around you.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Not a good map at all. Most of the blue marked in Arizona is desert. Dangerous at anytime of the year, it is lethal in summer in a matter of hours. Few have the courage or skills to venture out of town.

          That can be said for some of California too as the Mohave Desert is marked in blue. A few miles out of town in these areas and you are in wilderness.

          The East Coast and Midwest are much more dangerous based upon the proximity between cities and towns and the type of inhabitant therein.

          If the SHTF you need to be there to get there or have a flying car &$300,000) or personal blimp ($1,000,000). Plan accordingly. :-)

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            Then there is the Phoenix area…a friend told me it is nearly 160 miles long and 5 million people live there.

            Not to mention close to Mexico.

            Best of luck.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Yes, Phoenix poses a problem for the PTB, thus the FEMA Camps and prisons outside of Buckeye on the way to Gila Bend.

              I have NO doubt that marshal law will be declared and all traffic originating from California would be rerouted to the parking lots around Cardinal Stadium, or the old race track off I-10 and Cotton Lane, which coincidentally is close to another prison complex. Sheriff Joe and his Posse will have their hands full.

              What I am saying is that most of these sheeple will not leave the city when SHTF. Those that do will be waiting in line for their last tank of gas that could take them …. where?

              Maybe to the Grand Canyon or Vegas if they have a full tank …. and then what? Otherwise they are stuck where they are at. If they have a motor home or camper they will clog the Wal Mart parking lots in Prescott, Prescott Valley, Payson, Cottonwood, and Flagstaff. Then what? Most city dwellers would be lost in the wilderness or woods and die quicker there than in the city.

              Keep prepping. Be there to get there. :-)

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              • lastmanstanding says:

                I’m preppin and I’m there.

                …just hope I don’t have to hike to far in mountain terrain to get home from work in an emp type scenario.

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                • David says:

                  Lastmanstanding, my city home is at the foot of Santan Mountain and my/our sanctuary is in the white mountains, way off grid but self sustaining… Put a well in a couple years ago but who knows what could happen with the electricity… anyway, just saying there are areas where there would be some minor level of normalcy until…. Figured i’d drive as far as I could then get on Shank’s mare the rest of the way God willing. Be safe and maybe see you on the road… dj

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              • Can you imagine half of LA stuck in Quartzsite, AZ? I’ve heard that it is already crazy in January.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  100,000 for the Rock & gem Festival. Campers and motor homes. Its a hell of a party or a clusterfuck, depending upon your perspective.

                  The first 100,000 vehicles out of LA will drain the gas stations in Quartzite and if you are not gassed up, you can spend the Winter in Wintersburg. :-)

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              • Anonymous says:

                Gave a thought to moving to Payson (outskirts). Has to be better than Ventura, Ca.!

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              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                The Durango Kidd says:

                “Phoenix poses a problem for the PTB, thus the FEMA Camps and prisons outside of Buckeye on the way to Gila Bend.”

                Really?… Bullshit!

                The Phoenix/Valley area IS it’s own prison! There is No need for camps in your AO!!

                Just as the surrounding desert keeps the feral cat population from expanding outward, so too will it keep Phoenix area “voters” from fleeing in a SHTF scenario.

                The Valley will be a total nightmare in a collapse. And, due to the desert, it’s a ready made prison.

                And, that’s why I left… nearly 3 years ago.

                Good luck in North Scottsdale DK. The illegals working in Cave Creek/Carefree will have their way with you… Cause they outnumber you.

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          • without modern infrastructure,the carrying capacity of Arizone drops to about 5% of the present population.

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      • RickE. says:

        For me, just the cougars and bears! I live 28 miles from the nearest store and town. THIS is a fair amount of security, living where I do off of the grid in northern Arizona.

        There hasn’t been anyone to go by my driveway for 2 1/2 weeks now, as I live off of 10 miles of bad dirt road. (actually GOOD dirt road to me! lol).

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      • yental says:

        None of this NEEDS to happen. The “military” is composed of OUR brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, nephews, aunts, cousins and FRIENDS.

        WE communicate with them consistently. MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WE WILL STAND BESIDE THEM when THEY finally decide to not only SAY NO, but are willing to back that verbal response with UNDENIABLE action.

        We are waiting on them. THEY are waiting on US. If ever there was a time to UNITE AS AMERICAN PATRIOTS…IT IS NOW!

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        • David says:

          Feel 100% the same way; however, was walking out of the grocery store yesterday evening and had on my Viet Nam Vet hat (which I rarely wear) anyway, as I approached the parking lot I came eye to eye with a sergeant wearing his uniform and cap walking in with his two children holding hands. I looked at him and smiled, gave a thumbs up and for a second the recognition of a fellow warrior brought a smile to his face and then just as quickly his eyes and expression changed and was looking at me as a potential hostile. I can say this because I know what that look looks like… Why? Honestly don’t know but it was there and it was real… Lord save us as I fear some of these folks may not be on our side.

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          • Jeff says:

            “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet” “Look at everyone as though they are trying to kill you, but you cannot treat them that way.” “The threat’s always there, everybody is sketchy.” That’s just some of what was taught to the Marines in Anbar Province. It worked great, but that type of thinking comes home and carries over into everyday life, it’s hard to get that out of your mind when that’s all you focused on for a yr. I doubt he meant you any harm, I catch myself doing it all the time, just in case

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            • TripodXL says:

              David, what Jeff said. Retired in 2010. The vast majority of the military is “pro-constitution/pro-American way”. As the “last drafted member” in my unit I was the old hand and have seen a lot over a lot of years. The troops are for “the people” regardless of service. With two sons and a wife that were in the service with me and in different branches I think I have a pretty good feel for that having talked to many of them at length on those topics. As a senior NCO I could approach people and ask questions under the guise of concerned “inter-service” appreciation for “their” service’s missions and always found significant “constitutional appreciation” at every level. There will of course be some “Tories salted in with the Patriots” and always will be, but they are few. All of us that have been deployed are “wary” of people we meet because of the mixed reactions that are possible and we are just cautious. Wife just got back from the “stan” back in June and is still having “adjustment” issues. I let all the older vets know I appreciate their service as well as the ones I meet still in the uniform. If they accept it fine, if not that’s fine too. I can’t read minds and don’t let it bother me. In all likelihood it is only a defense mechanism. Again…what Jeff said. Be well.

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          • swampratt says:

            David that’s because todays warriors have become
            fucking puppets

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        • sixpack says:

          Just be careful HOW you communicate those thoughts. It may not be any skin off of us, but it could paint a big target on the backs of our family and friends still in. Don’t assume they aren’t monitoring their “assets” for signs of disloyalty.

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        • Them Guys says:

          Read, Edwin Vieria’s newest 2-part article at newswithviews webiste. Article is new Today. Discusses whys and Hows patriots and military need to do a New Neurenburg Trials, to Convict usa feds-Hobammy(edwins says a few choice words on the fake birth cert and How it relates to syria fiasco etc too) and he inlcudes Traitorous MSM persons too that should be arrested and hauled in front of a New Neurenburg trail based upon the orig trials after WWII ended.

          That Edwin is One intelligent Man! He’d make a great Neurenburg trial Judge or Prosecutor! Too bad he cannot be Both! Edwins examples all always Rely on US Const Principals and Facts etc. Read that new article you will be Glad you did. Very informative.

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      • Shootit says:

        And they will all have their CORP. uniforms.

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      • Genius says:

        As soon as Mac posts a new article I will post a solution for those who don’t have much manpower/security. Also some cheap radio comms. Be sure and look for it!

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      • SONYA GORE says:

        AMERICANS ANSWER THE TYRANNY HERE…. PRO-AMERICAN PETITIONS WITH AUTOMATED LETTERS GOING DIRECTLY TO CONGRESS HERE… http://act.theteaparty.net/

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    2. Tropicbound says:

      Now draw a 300 mile radius (average distance for a tank of gas)around each of the populated counties and only the areas left are outside the initial zombie surge.

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    3. Hammerun says:

      The Bob Marshall wilderness in western Montana….

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          • sixpack says:

            OOps, lost the accents—it was a Crow Nation prayer for peace, since the handful of INDIAN TRIBES are the ONLY real claimants to Montana…

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        • Hammerun says:

          I see the same old backward assed attitudes still persist in western Montana.
          In the late 60s western Montana was steeped in this protectionist ignorance.
          By whom you ask? Large land ranchers (to keep per acre taxes low on up to 7 sections of land) and illiterate got nothing, will never have nothing yehhahs. Look at who this group sold off all of the shoreline on Flathead lake too. For a pence and lack of foresight this group sold short and ran off thinking “dumb out of staters” ignorant!
          Since the late 60s, Montana has been selling out thinking they have cut a fat hog. Those that squeak and yell the loudest are those that the contribute the least, burden the most. The state is filled with, those who have it and those that don’t and those that don’t have it will be kept right where they are at, with little of nothing!
          Do the Conrad’s still have a strangle hold on Kalispell? What happened to the casinos that was built on the south end of kalispell? What happened to legalized casino gambling that was sold to Montanans, and you ended up with bingo and scratchers, suckers! Who sells large tracts of land to wealthy out of staters/celebrities, as you say?
          I left Montana as soon as I recognized the fact that there wasn’t any future there. The very idea of the only future was being a drunken yeahhah out at the northwest grange hall on Saturday night fighting in the mud, just wasn’t in the cards.
          The question was, where you don’t want to be? Here is fine where I’m at but I’ve been in the middle of the Bob Marshall many times in my youth. There’s one thing about the middle of the BM, no airplanes, no motorcycles, no radios and lastly no ignorance! The ignorant couldn’t possibly make it in that deep.

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        • Rellik says:

          Well said!

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        • Why did you leave the F out? MF of M

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        • Tactical says:

          Thanks for the nice welcome.

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        • Government Guy says:

          Unless you’re a Native American than you too are an invader or at least the inbred descendent of one and deserve the threats you are making to others.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          I would actually like to connect with some folks from Montana who need a good farm hand for machinery work, fencing, cattle work, and anything else involving farm or ranch, the new food safety laws or local government regulation will kill my business if obammacare doesnt kill me! Im hopeful, always looking, and can punch holes in stuff from far far away!

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        • Unreconstructed Southron says:

          All twelve of you feel that way?

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        • James in Dallas says:

          @ m o m
          Your comment makes me want to call you a piece of shit, but you obviously have your reasons for posting your friendly warning, so I won’t call you any names.
          I have been looking at moving to Montana for some time now. And if I can save enough money before all hell breaks loose, I probably will.
          I could care less about your warning.
          I didn’t know you spoke for all of western Montana.

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        • Dishesdealer says:

          While I don’t like his comment, I am not sure he is wrong. People who gave up the good paying jobs and cultural/educational opportunities of the big urban areas to get to a minimum safe distance aleady aren’t going to be all that sympathetic in a serious survivial scenario.

          People who think they can stay in the cities until the last minute and then get out to the ‘country’ aren’t for the most part going to make it.

          If you do get there don’t expect the locals to help you out unless you have a really valuable skill like doctor or something.

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        • lower40 says:

          one thing you might want to consider while your doing all this killin ,is you might be sorting out wildcats and run into a few panthers ,just because there considering moveing to your state doesent already make them as stupid as you ,you might just find yourself burried in the bob marshall (what ever the hell that is)

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        • Janice says:

          Invaders of Montana…Get real, people can freeze their asses off in a lot better places than Montana. No offense to the nice people there.

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        • Lost In The C.R.C says:

          That’s all right douchenozzle, when one of your nuke power plants melts down, don’t come west, you will find no salvation here!

          All of you idiots that think you’re going to shut down the road by your hidey-hole so no body gets to your retreat remember this, the road is not part of your land, it is a free path for ANYBODY to travel on! And all this cowboy ra ra shit talking about how your gonna stop people from going through “Your” land if indeed an exodus is of the scale of millions, is deluding themselves if you think your family plus your little troop of goombas are going to hold off millions.

          More importantly, since when do any of you think you have the right to stop anyone from going to national land in an emerency and surviving free from the government and established homesteads? Preach freedom and practice tyranny by killing anyone you don’t know simply because they are traveling through what you perceive as your land? Ha! Wake up people, not everybody is your enemy just because you see them traveling through your area. Nobody has a monopoly on violence , and if you think you can kill children and families simply because they encroached on you land need to review history. It was common practice prior to roads laid out by the government for traveling people to simply take a straight line from point A to B. So long as they were not damaging crops/property, stealing horses, cattle rustling, or trying to squat on someone’s land, the land owner rarely confronted the traveler, if they even knew they were there. Fences and property boundaries were the work of cattle barrons and farmers (And corporations) fighting over access to arable grazing land and water, prior to that, most people simply made their homestead as big as they could farm or ranch on. Well obviously now, the national population (And corporate intrests) is far to great for such ideological freedom as the number of land disputes would be staggering. So what makes any of you the authority of allowing people free and accessible travel in these United States?

          The fact is too many people inhabit the earth, eugenics is a failure, and there are not enough murders, suicides, and adults who refuse to reproduce to keep the population in control. The best I can hope for is to take a few of you self-righteous, bible-thumpin’, I’ m better than you cause I reads the bible morons with me before you destroy my family and I in your delusion of rabid perversion to morality. Can I get an AMEN! Prase the lord for creating sin and tempting us sinners! BRING ON THE THUMBS DOWN! Religous zealotism is just a mask for another form of tribal isolation from others, as well as justification for immoral acts under the guise of “SIN” – but that’s O.K. Jesus died so we can do what we want as long as we repent before we die.

          Christian or Muslim, Buddist or Agnostic, Zen or Athiest WHEN the SHTF, superior tactics will yeild to dumb luck and heinous acts by desperate people – as ugly and sad as it is, so it will be….

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          • Dude says:

            Sorry you’re so angry. But God isn’t the one tempting you.

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            • Lost In The C.R.C says:

              If God is the creator of all things in heaven and earth, created Lucifer, and turned His back on mankind when we listened to HIS creation (Lucifer) sell us the apple of sin, (incest), then left men to decide by “Free Will” If we sin (which according to the bible we are ALL sinners) – God is the creator of sin as he put into place the conditions that allow it to sustain.

              Oh, that’s right religious fanaticism trumps fact and logic. Lest we forget the bible is a work of MEN and not God. BTW, the only time my knee will bend is when getting into a prone shooting position, or up from one when the threat is neutralized.

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            CRAC:
            Does that stand for crackhead?

            Suppose you didn’t see any of the teevee programs pertaining to Katrina?

            Don’t know where you live; but would like to be a mouse in the corner if another shtf like Katrina blows through your territory. I am real sure you will be standing out in the streets with your family and a sign that says “follow me, I am going to save all of you”. Good luck with that.

            As far as your attack on Christianity goes. Gotta leave that judgement up to the good Lord; but again, I would like to be a mouse in the corner for that. The Bible says EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, and crack that means yours as well.

            As far as you tripping off to federal land. You may find Homeland Security there telling you that they own that land and you are not welcome to stay. That has already happened with all the wilderness area that has been tied up by the feds. Maybe you hadn’t noticed. I would take my chances on a welcome from the “Bible-thumpers” on this site than from your muslims, athiests, zen friends. Birds of a feather, flock together.

            From your post I think I see a lot of red ink on your thumb.

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            • Lost In The C.R.C says:

              @ Pissed Off Granny – How do you get “CRAC” out of C.R.C. ? And those that live on the west coast know what The (C)ommunist (R)epublik of (C)alifornia is. Yes I know Ca. is a free man’s worst nightmare, but really don’t have the resources or family obligations that allow an organized retreat to redneck living in a “free” state where I will only be accepted if I too partake in thumping the bible and reciting religious banter to show I can substitute one form of conformity for another. YEAH, all that freedom, can’t you just smell it?!

              Oh, that’s right, religous / spiritual people have a monopoly on good, so it’s o.k. to cast stones at others. You don’t know me, so step off my porch with your arrogant, self-entitled judgement of who I am…

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          • Anonymous says:

            @Lost

            Ironically, I think Jesus would agree with much of what you said.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I don’t want to go to Montans. that wasn’t “friendly” at all. you just sound like an asshole.

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        • Chimera says:

          I’m sorry, but I don’t need YOUR permission as I can go anywhere I want in this great country.

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        • swampratt says:

          FUCK MONTANA most of it is owned by the sslant eyed JAPS

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        • No one is going to come steal your single wide , toothless bar slut or that pack of mangy chihuahuas kept as an emergency food supply.

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      • JW M says:

        I’m lined out on the Scapegoat

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      • John Q. Public says:

        As tempting as all that pristine wilderness is, Western Montana has numerous TARGETS—missile silos. (Montana also has Ted Turner and his ilk.)

        When the “blue + 300 miles” is adjusted for priority targets and fallout patterns, very little of the USA is left.

        I recall the Blessed Mother’s warnings that mankind will suffer a chastisement from God, “fire from above,” that the good will die with the wicked, the survivors will envy the dead, and there will be no place to hide.

        Certainly we prepare, spiritually and temporally, but keep in mind that nobody gets off this earth alive and we will all face our personal judgment at the feet of Jesus Christ the King.

        Keep your lamps trimmed and burning.

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        • Dave in Id says:

          No..Central Montana has the missile sites all around Great Falls. Jet Stream flows easterly. western Montana is safe. The Map, as far as population, is kinda of misleading, Boise Idaho is not blue and Spokane Wash is. Should be reversed, great Falls Montana and parts of N. Dakota, Colorado and south eastern Wyoming should be avoided as they are targeted for a couple hundred Nukes each.

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        • AU_Battle says:

          Yes no one gets off this earth alive in the flesh. But all get off alive in the spiritial body. As Paul states in 1st corintheans chapter 15, behold i tell you a mystery, We shall not all die but we shall all be changed. Did Paul say only the good change or the saved? He said All. All put on the spiritial body at the moment this flesh body dies. Does this mean that all have eternal life? No. God will make that decision at the Great White Thrown Judgement. Many Christian can’t stand the thought of those sinners putting on that spiritial body but that doesn’t mean they will live forever. The Spirit has to have a home to live in ,if not in the flesh body, in the spiritial body.

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      • Gonetoolong says:

        You’ll freeze your ass off kid! I love Helena (for the most part).

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    4. Wallimiyama says:

      I’m only about 100 miles north of one of those blue dots…good thing I’ve got lots of ammo.

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    5. aljamo says:

      Figures, I live smack dab right in the middle of three of these overpopulated counties. We gotta get out of this place, if it’s the last thing we ever do.

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    6. Jenn says:

      Massachusetts. Just the place to try to escape from in an emergency. Yep. I’m so screwed.

      Before any of you comment, no. I do not have a choice in where I live at the moment. All I can do is wait while certain people make up their darned minds already about where and when we’re going to move.

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      • I’m here in Mass too…bug in is the first option. If it really gets bad, load up and hit Maine or NH or VT.

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        • Jenn says:

          **nods** True enough. I just wish no one else would have the same thought.

          I visited VT a number of years ago because I’d never been there, and it was a coffee table book called “The View From The Kingdom” that made me want to go there. It was beautiful in the pictures, but not quite the same when I saw it in person. Too many decades had passed since that book was written. But, I did go on a hot air balloon ride at sunset (something everyone should do if they get the chance).

          I’m hoping we move to New Hampshire in the very near future, but the area I want (somewhere around Milan, waaaay up north) is not up for consideration, so we’ll still be too close to people for my comfort, especially if there’s some kind of mass (hrm, Mass? Oh, why not, I’ll make it pun intended) exodus.

          Bugging in is most likely what we’ll have to do right now if something happens before we move. I just wish we were allowed to have chickens and goats here.

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            I feel for ya, Jen….we visited my husbands family in RI last July, and I couldn’t help thinking as we drove around Mass, RI and Conn, then through NY on the way home, “Wow, these people are screwed when the SHTF!!
            The hills and mountains of east TN never looked so good after being up in NE for the week!! LOL!!
            I told my husband that’s the last trip there! I was a nervous wreck..thinking what if we got stuck here, because of an EMP or solar flare!
            Just the thought of being stuck with my liberal in laws, let alone all the other libs that live there, was enough for me to want to pack up and come home early!! LOL!! I wanted my home AND my preps!!

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            • SmokyMtnLady says:

              Oops! Just saw where you said you’re a liberal…no offense meant, Jen! At least you didn’t fall under the big O’s spell!! ;)

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              • Jenn says:

                LOL! No worries, I’m used to it . I’m the black sheep of my family (who are oddly conservative for this state.

                I don’t blame you for missing your home and feeling unsafe here. Whenever we’ve had tornado warnings, I stay off the highway, because no one is safe in gridlock.

                I hate living here, with all these people jammed so close together. I’ve dreamt of living in a rural area since I read Little House on the Prairie. Especially when my parents told me we couldn’t fit a horse into the sun porch. (I was 5 and didn’t realize just how large horses are.)

                I nearly did fall under his spell, the first time he ran. It was only about halfway through his campaign when he said something about bombing Pakistan (who, at that time was more friend than enemy. It was not the response I expected to whatever question had been asked, and it made me realize he would take us to war every chance he got. From then on, everything he said just made him look worse and worse as a future President.

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            • David says:

              Wife’s family is in California and we do a Christmas — Yes I said “Christmas” as in “Christ” — party/family get together around the second weekend of December every year. Last year after we drove out there I was an absolute wreck. The traffic, the folks on the freeways, the millions of sheep, the horror of being stuck out there in the midst of that mess even now gives me shivers up and down my spine. (She lives near Disneyland so you can understand there’s millions of folks out her way). I told my bride of 43 years we just aren’t going to do that any more… Didn’t go over very big and I am kind of dreading the discussion coming up about heading out there but frankly, I honestly don’t believe we will have to go as Christmas is going to be in a whole different world this year… Pray, prep and protect as long as you’re able.. dj

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              • Jenn says:

                A shame you can’t have some of her family come visit you guys, instead. It could make for a wonderful new Christmas tradition.

                I’m still looking forward to Christmas this year. I love baking cookies, decorating the tree and drinking cocoa while watching Christmas specials on DVD. It’ll be a tight Christmas this year for me, gift-wise, but at least I’ll be able to paint or crochet some nice gifts for my family.

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                • David says:

                  Thank you for the powerful thought and don’t think I have tried that route. I am a believer and raised my/our family that way, and not a closet believing Christian but one who is not ashamed to, for example, say grace before meals wherever it is; however, the “relatives” whose home we go to are, shall we say, snobbish and so over educated that two years ago as we were sitting down to eat dinner I started and completed the thanksgiving for our Lord, the Family and the meal. Last year as I started to say grace before meal the interruption was horrific and they continued on as if I were speaking a foreign language, which for them I guess it was. I finished grace anyway and my brother in law and his family who are supposedly Christian not only didn’t take part but he just looked at me, shrugged his shoulders and ate… The point is that being a Catholic I have numerous Cross with the Lord’s sacrificed body as well as other reminders throughout my home and they won’t come. While I pray daily for their conversion I just can’t see them coming out here. It’s okay with me but really kind of sad. dj

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              • ENFP says:

                David,
                This is a good year to have your wife’s family come to you instead. I somehow think/feel it is all going to come down in early December.

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              • maddog says:

                David,

                Told the wife the same thing 2 yrs ago. I will never cross into CA again. I can honestly say we were terrified the whole time. Unarmed and around so many degenerates. Never again.

                You know an earth quake in San Francisco is God’s way of trying to shake the dingle berry of the ass of America. I should ask be informed if he’ll succeed soon.

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        • Havok says:

          Hey you are welcome in NH if you don’t bring your politics or masshole attitudes with you.
          ME is getting pretty full of morons too. VT is a Looney bin. Feel free to go to either of those states.

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          • Jenn says:

            :-) Thank you, I think….

            I’m only a Masshole during my current morning commute (which will be ceasing soon anyway, with my upcoming layoff).

            As far as politics goes, well, I’m a liberal in my beliefs, but I didn’t vote for Obama.(Actually, I didn’t like ANY of the candidates enough to give any of them my vote this time around.) I can’t help but bring myself there if I go there. But since I keep myself to myself, you probably will never have a problem with me or know I exist, anyway.

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            • Not so Much says:

              “I just wish we were allowed to have chickens and goats here”

              Irony is a libtard that says ‘I wish we were allowed to have…’

              Honey, you vote for authoritarianism so suck it up….

              “But since I keep myself to myself…” No, you just outsource it to the govt.

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              • Jenn says:

                And stupidity is a jerk online who shoots his or her mouth off without knowing someone AT ALL, just to insult them for no reason.

                Sorry you have an instant dislike for me just because I was born somewhere else in the country.

                See? I can do the bitch-slap thing, too. But I can also do the Ignore thing, which is how I’ll be responding to you from now on, because this kind of conversation doesn’t do a thing for me.

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                • Not so Much says:

                  Sorry if you’re offended but I really dont care.

                  Boo hoo, I’m a jerk. I’ll be sure to have my wife flog me later.

                  And I don’t dislike you because you were born somewhere else. What the hell does that even mean? I was born somewhere else. My parents were born somewhere else. My wife was born in Tijuana. I guess I hate her too?

                  No, I LOATHE you because you’re a liberal, which means you vote or support subversives that wish to abolish the constitution for something between Mussolini’s Italy and Mao’s China.

                  I LOATHE you because you’re liberal, which means I dont have to know YOU, you people operate with a hive mind.

                  To be fair, the progressives in the Republican party aren’t better and I hate them almost as much, but at least they’re the minority opposition while the control and direction come from the hard left.

                  Yea, you didn’t bitch slap anything. It was more like a useless flailing that made me laugh because you ran away instead of refuting me.

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      • Beth says:

        Kansas! Lots of good jobs here, low cost of living, great communities.

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        • Sigi says:

          Shhhhh. Don’t tell anyone!

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        • MM2Nuke says:

          Just to the north of you isnt bad either. Got laidoff 2weeks back and already have a better job and still working part time at cabelas. Pay isnt that great but access to reloading supplies at a 20% discount makes it worth 2 jobs.

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          • Apryl says:

            Are you in Nebraska? I’m looking for people nearby in case something bad happens. I h andave a 3 year old and myself, and I want to try to coordinate a small group around these few states (Kansas included). Email me cherubic_12@Yahoo

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      • Nutbag says:

        I’m in Mass too but just outside the blue death. But nobody will come to my town for help. Poor mill town. Too many rednecks

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        • Jenn says:

          LOL! We have rednecks here?? I’ve never been even as far as Worcester, so I haven’t seen what the other half of the state is really like, away from all the people here on the coast.

          For a while, I really thought I would want to live in the Berkshires. Then I discovered you kinda have to be rich to afford property there.

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      • maddog says:

        You could do like the sheeple in Boston and cower in place. Or you could do like I did years ago, bought land in NV and then told the wife I’m going, if your coming with get in or else please close the door I’m running late.

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        • Jenn says:

          I lived in CO for a year. That was nice in some ways. But I’ve never had any desire to go to NV. Just too hot, too dry, and too unlike anything I’ve ever known. (And too far away from all of my family.)

          I’m a New England girl. This region is home.

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          • maddog says:

            “(And too far away from all of my family.)”

            Why the fuck you think I went so far. They had check points at the border of “The peoples Communist Republic of Californication.” so I stopped here.

            It can be a tough life in NV but I don’t ask anyone if I can have chickens or anything else. You would go to jail there just for looking at the guns I own, let alone going out back and blowing things up with explosives. It sure is nice living free.

            No cowering in place here. Good luck with the zombies. Without ocommie phones they’ll be eating each other in a week.

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            • Not So Much says:

              true story.

              I lived in so cal for about 15 years. I bought an M1A once upon a time from out of state because the shops in Cali wanted over 2K for em.

              Price + taxes + shipping + FFL fee and you know what the guy said to me, ‘Holy crap your total cost for the thing is less than my cost.’

              get out before its too late!

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        • Not so Much says:

          lol. Did she come?

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      • Jeep says:

        JENN-

        Just head toward/into Berkshire County.
        Go look ahead of time.
        Being buried in east bumfuck is not always the best choice.
        Look above to see how Montana BREEDS assholes.

        Your ok where you are… just go deeper north some, or head in BS County. You have a lot of options. Dont even think about getting there by 91 or 90 though.
        Get your alternate routes planned now.

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        • Dave in Id says:

          Jeep. very intelligent. One guy from Montana mouths off and you have the whole state pegged as assholes. I cross into Montana weekly and the people are alot more friendly than you. James in Dallas…you will do fine in Montana.

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          • Jenn says:

            As unfriendly as that particular Montanan was, I can’t say I blame them for warning people off. If people don’t want that state under normal circumstances, why should the state’s people want others to be there under abnormal ones? I’d be inclined to shoot human locusts, too, in really bad times. But if people are moving there now, and paying good money for their own piece of property to improve, and they don’t bother their neighbors, I see nothing wrong with that.

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            Dave:

            Great wake up call! None of us on SHTF wants the riff-raff moving in on us; dont matter what state you live in now. Hard to seperate the sheep from the goats at this point in time. A real true down to earth honest freedom loving, America loving prepper would be a welcome addition to my neighborhood.

            But tell me, how do you really know?

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            • Dave in Id says:

              @ granny. Most libs are socialist and dont know it. They will be generous with tax dollars(other peoples money) but not thier own. (fact) they will have no guns or just a few handed down from thier Dad. (fact) They will have a stupid bumper sticker such as “change”, co-exist, save the …., Boxer for senate, etc. Merry Xmas or happly holidays on thier yard displays instead of Christ. They cant hide thier lib unvalues any more than I can hide my constitutionalist values. It is very difficult to convert one because they are thinking of thier next statement instead of listening to what you say. The only way is through Fear. Tell them that when the economy/collapes or natural disaster happens, they will die because preppers dont help libs as they are partially responsible for the situation and have made prepping financially difficult.

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              • Tactical says:

                Dave, correction….most libs are Fascists.

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              • Johnny Geetar says:

                I’ll second that Dave in Id. Liberals are toilet bugs, just like their president and ALL his boyfriends. The only correction i’d make to your statement, is that it ISN’T partially their fault as to the current condition of this country; it’s ALL their fault! In 2008, there was a chance for America to reverse course, fix the economy the right way, start paying down the national debt, and avoid what is coming. Everything that has transpired politically has occured because they gave these progressives the political cover to destroy America. When the bottom falls out, and it WILL fall out, (It is now a mathematical certainty) I’ll be sure to “Thank” many of them personally. They are a disease, and diseases need eradication. And i don’t give a flea fart if big brother reads this or not…….

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        • Jenn says:

          My family most interested in the middle of NH, so I’ll have to go where they go, regardless of whether certain people above want me to. I just want to get settled and start having the kind of life I want to lead (the kind where I have a large garden, animals, and maple trees to tap, and I get to spend more time each day on my paintings, instead of just being a secretary).

          I just need the world to hold off a little while longer on going all wonky and pear-shaped.

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          • Jenn says:

            Typos, typos everywhere…. I really need to stop replying to things before coffee. Parentheses, and even while words, go missing in pre-coffee replies. Ugh.

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          • Jenn…for what its worth I often tell folks to just do what they can with what they have where they are…a lot of people think theyre gonna bug out to the big woods and live like Jeremiah Johnson…some of us have that ability,most don’t…including many who think they do…just do what you can in a manner that youre comfortable with…Im sure youll do fine!…as for the fella who said folks weren’t welcome in his neck of the woods…Montana?…its a good bet that what he said will be true almost anywhere that there are native folks already entrenched in the land…I think its a human thing…folks kinda get defensive of their turf be it a city street or a mountain range…not something that’s likely to change too much…anyhow keep your chin up and take it a day at a time…youll do fine :)

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          • Joshua says:

            Jenn, If by garden you mean that you may be 6 feet under with family and your decomposing body creating great fertilizer then your headed to the right location.

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      • Wolf359 says:

        Masshole here as well.

        Don’t like it but unless I start from zero somewhere more opsec minded Im stuck where mine and my wifes work is located, which is in boston.

        We had a retreat location in central maine but my inlaws sold their cabin this past spring. I wasn’t too happy. I offered market value but they wanted more which I couldnt afford. Unfortunately the real estate market spiked the last 4 months and they ended up getting 20k more than my offer. It was a generational cabin in the family with acreage. A couple low life, greedy aunt inlaws who leech anything and everything off the system blocked me out.

        It’ll be atleast 12-18 months to save up enough to find another worth while location unless the market comes back down.

        I digressed, so basically what I have done is every week i research several REO retreat locations In the central maine area I’m familiar with.

        If shtf and I can’t bug in I’m hitting one of those reo properties.

        Better to have a plan than be a refugee.

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    7. Kulafarmer says:

      Now
      Living the dream on Maui!
      SHTF
      Livin the dream on Maui——
      Like its 1799!

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Chuckles……….
          Was just talking about the glow in the dark lobsters with a friend,
          Were already getting Fukushimad i think, maybe why the FDA tripled the allowable background radiation in seafood, so as not to panic peeps,
          Would rather just not eat seafood!
          TR

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          • ENFP says:

            I used to buy imitation crab for salads, the cheapest fish you can get. Now I won’t eat any fish if it might be from the Pacific which is where I live.

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      • Rellik says:

        FBI.
        We have geothermal.
        food, water, horses,
        lots of hunting,
        and space so we’ll be more like
        1940′s

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      • another Jay says:

        aren’t you at the end of the supply chain? Anyone else on that island?

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      • Janice says:

        Prayerfully there will be no earthquakes and tsunamis. Otherwise you may well be living the dream. Good for you.

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Thought you placed a want ad to move to Montana? What gives Kulafarmer.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          I love the mountains,
          Lived in Co for a while, but well you know whats going on there now,
          I like large scale farming or ranching, grew up in that, so naturally has a draw, would love to spend time in the Northern Rockys, beautiful country, dont get me wrong, Maui is beautiful, but if you like shooting sports or four wheeling, this aint the place, SHTF, not the front of the line, so lots of experiences i want to have in whatever is left in my life, so finding a farm or ranch in south west Mt or Nw Wy or somewhere like that would be a good starting place, still gotta work, so if i can at least be closer to the kind of recreating i want to do would be excellent, varmint management could be good? Get to keep up on my LR shots

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    8. Ghost says:

      Fucking California…..of course you are on the map….HA!

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    9. PALADIN says:

      the best retreat location is HEAVEN cannot wait! other than that any working Homestead will do.

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    10. Indy Colts says:

      When SHTF I want to be on my couch clutching my izhmash surrounded my 30 round mags. Of course I’m in between 2 of those blue dots so I’ll likely have a fight on my hands. I just don’t want to be stuck at work or on the road.

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    11. Illini Warrior says:

      What is never taken into consideration or even info that preppers are aware ….. FEMA has wide ranging geographic plans to disperse metro population into these “safe areas” …. even remote towns could receive their share of these relocated refugees ….

      Of course FEMA has all the promises of supplying these refugees so the locals aren’t responsible ….

      and FEMA always is top on the job ….

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Like any rapist – always on top.

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      • leeholsen says:

        yep, thats how they take over.

        just get enough people that will do whatever is asked for food, a shower and a place to sleep and you can put down anything you need to without getting any dirt on those at the controls.

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      • Prepared Pastor says:

        They flew evacuees from Katrina into a FEMA Camp (Dawson) near the MD WV border and I read in the Newspaper that the majority of them had criminal records. I provided ministry there just to get a tour of the camp which is a lot like a college campus with a giant fence around it. Thankfully, my retreat is twice as far from it than my primary home so it’s not a threat.

        I’m not convinced that FEMA can relocate enough people fast enough to made a difference on a local level in communities that are not on an Interstate. I know they say they’ve improved since Katrina, but on larger scale I believe they would fail again,

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        • sixpack says:

          Forget the media reports about all the alleged “criminal records”. That was propaganda to soften the rest of us about the ridiculously callous treatment Katrina survivors received from the fed govt.

          Besides, it won’t be too long before WE ALL have a criminal record for something or the other, maybe just for trying to enforce our constitutional rights against tyranny.

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      • Jeff says:

        And I can just hear a .gov FEMA guy saying: We’re from the government and we are here to help you. Just trust us.”

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      • Shootit says:

        They best be able to walk and out run ruger.

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    12. The Old Coach says:

      Saw this earlier – -same thought went through my head, i.e. where NOT to be when the fit hits the Shan. Thing is, all those blue areas are where the jobs are. And the welfare offices.

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      • The Old Coach says:

        Agree that being well off Interstate routes is a major factor. Most of the city horde won’t have a clue how to navigate once they’re off the I-xx.

        Lots of cities not on that map are traps, though. Worst is the Northeast where even “rural” areas are already clogged up and overpopulated.

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        • Archivist says:

          I think what we should do when things go bad is to tear down all the road signs so the “golden horde” won’t know where to go. Or replace them with incorrect ones that point into deserts or swamps.

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      • Prepared Pastor says:

        There is not one blue dot in my entire state (WV), yet the county I live in has a 4.4% unemployment rate. We may not be 300 miles from the nearest big city, but a tank of gas isn’t going to go that far in the mountains anyway especially when city folks have to turn around at so many dead-ends. The movie series Wrong Turn is not as far from reality here as we like to think because we still have about the same population as we did 80 years ago.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          When i think WV i think Deliverence!
          No offence PP
          Just had a friend from there years back, good guy but really reminded me of those fellers who were screwing with Burt and his possee

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          • A Christian Man says:

            The fellers that were messing with Burt and his buddies were from Western Georgia, the folks in WV can’t play a banjo like they can in GA.

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          • lower40 says:

            yep ,N. eastern ga ,i rafted about 8mi. of that river a few years ago ,it gets mean in a few places ,the stunt guy for the movie started the rafting co.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Ah, cool beans guys, been so long since i saw that i really couldnt remember where it was set, some movies leave a lasting impression.

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    13. Where’d I put that old bumper sticker?

      I see an opportunity here:

      “Gas, Grass or Ass…nobody rides for free.”

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      • Gods Creation says:

        That’s a good way to get your grass gas and ass taken.

        My plan is to ask nothing of anyone, and to look as though I have nothing and want nothing. That is, if I have to be seen at all.

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        • BonGee says:

          God’s Creation, could you or anyone reading these comments answer these as best as you can: 1. We can’t pull up stakes now and are in a FL blue zone. We have guns and ammo, many lbs of dried grains & beans, a gravity water purifier (are by a small lake) and a veggie garden. We’re in our late 60′s with a son & his wife living here and we’ve all lived a righteous life. We don’t want to mess up our chances to be with God when we die. When society breaks down, and gangs start coming on our property wanting to break into our house, will God forgive us for shooting them so that our small family can survive? This has bothered me more than anything this last year that we’ve been prepping. Also, when the FEMA trucks come to tell us we HAVE to leave our house, and we don’t want to, will they most likely drag us out? I realize no one can know these answers for certain, but I’d be grateful for a few of your opinions. Thanks much, and God bless you all. —— Also, may God forgive us for not keeping better vigil thru the years on our now totally-corrupt government.

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          • TripodXL says:

            @BonGee; Don’t want to step on anyone’s toes, but I think your outcome with God is more dependent on your relationship with God than if you shoot some home invaders or not. The Commandment (rendered properly) is “thou shalt not MURDER”. And as far as FEMA or whatever gov agency seeks to remove you and deprive you of your home and what is rightfully yours, at that point they become home invaders as well and I don’t think they will offer you a choice of staying or not. If you refuse they will obviously drag you out, OR if it is more expeditious they will “dispose of you locally”! If you are in the panhandle and away from hwy 90 and at least a few miles from IH10 it could be survivable. If you are south of Ocala it’s gonna be bad unless you really live somewhere way outta the way out in the swamps or scrubs. However, all you can do is trust God, use good tactics, focus on the front sight, squeeze the trigger and do the best you can. Be Well.

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    14. prep49er says:

      To look at it a different way, these areas will be full of food sources, assuming you are properly armed.

      “…how do you decide who to eat first? How do you decide who’s first on the barbecue rack? Do you pick on the little guy because he’s skinny and he can’t fight back, or do you all gang up on the bodybuilder because he’s got a lot of steaks and chops on him?”

      -George Carlin on Cannibalism

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      • Jenn says:

        Pick the vegetarian, because they would taste best. :-) (I’ve heard meat-eating animals don’t taste as good.) Plus, they probably practice other aspects of clean living.

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        • Indy Colts says:

          I WW2 the people who ate human flesh in Stalingrad said it made them crazy and most conmitted suicide. I will die before I eat other human or a pet.

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          • Jenn says:

            I believe it. I think something similar happened on Easter Island. (Heck, it’s probably happened a great many times over the centuries.)

            I would have a hard time eating another person. I don’t know if I could do it, or if I would commit suicide instead, because who really WANTS to survive in a people-eating-people world?

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Thats a line u dont want to cross friend!

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      • Rellik says:

        Bake covered at 300 til tender (usually 3-4 hours like any pot roast). Kills the AIDS Virus. Also get a non-drinker so the liver isn’t trashed. Don’t eat brains, humans have mad cow built in.
        Remember as soon as they become a threat they cease to become human.
        I wouldn’t have a problem eating Nancy , I’d feed Barry to my dogs and Harry to my neighbors dogs. Seconds anyone?

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    15. Man on the inside says:

      I live near enough to major city to be a slight problem. It is 3 plus miles up a 7% grade to get to the house. It is 5.5 miles or more from a major road. I have the “equipment “sighted for 700 yards, 500 yards, 100 yards, and 50 yards respectively. A great choke point near the house. A front end loader to scoop up the “issues”. And neighbors of like mind… and a great team… lots of chow, ammo, well, mostly off grid, ….. I’m good…

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      • lower40 says:

        i got about a 100 mi. of everglades between me and the closest blue ,and with the out of hand python problem we got ,im sure that 100 mi. walk will make for some fat snakes

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    16. Genius says:

      Looks like Im in the clear :) Had this handled many years ago. Ok time for another prep tip (thank me later) this is only for the serious prepper! http://www.freedomslips.com/thumb.htm

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      • Dave in Id says:

        pretty slick. I got 100lbs of books from 50 years ago to present. If I was going to use technology, I would buy one.

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        • Genius says:

          Good for you Dave! Most of those books are hard if not impossible to find now. Having them on a usb drive all in one is great for portability. Maybe get one as a bugout backup?

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          • Dave in Id says:

            I would need a laptop and I carry way too much ammo.

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          • TripodXL says:

            FYI; “Thumb” drives don’t hold info forever or even for years. Have some from “the desert” on diff tours that HAD pictures on them that are now gone. Three different name brands, too. If you can read a thumb drive you can read a CD. Burn’em to CD and make multiple copies stored in different “safe” places, depending on your concerns. Be well.

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    17. anonymous says:

      New Orleans is not marked. Wouldn’t want to be there. That place can’t be that clean with the last flushing.

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      • braveheart says:

        Anonymous, I was just looking at the map and noticed that myself. I’ve only been there 1 time and that was in 1974 for Mardi Gras. I got into a fight with someone in a bar on Bourbon Street and just barely made it out of there before the cops arrived. Never been back since. those Cajuns will be some of the most dangerous people around without there booze and dope. braveheart

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        • Anonymous says:

          Very few Cajuns live anywhere around New Orleans tard…Creoles maybe. Learn a little about culture before you make broad summarizations like that.

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        • A Cajun says:

          So your comment that Cajuns are going to be dangerous due to lack of booze and drugs is based off your single visit and bar-fight in New Orleans?

          I would agree that New Orleans is probably the most dangerous city in America, but that has little to do with the Cajun people.

          News Flash:

          Cajuns don’t hang out on Bourbon. They avoid the city like the plague. If you happen to hear someone in the French Quarter talking in yat-speak, that doesn’t make them Cajun.

          Don’t know why you would think we would ever be without booze! Guess you’ve never heard of Ponchatoula strawberry wine, or rum for that matter. You may condemn alcohol, but no man on Earth has a right to. What the hell do you expect us to do after we stop supplying your sugar, let it go to waste? ;)

          The Acadians have been living the survivalist lifestyle long before there was an America, and will be “keeping on” long after it collapses. It’s our way of life.

          Don’t use such a broad brush, Cajuns are good people. They would help you out if you were in distress, even while knowing that you think so little of them.

          Or they might get a wild hair up their ass and use you for bait if they discover that you originate from North of Interstate 10.

          Never can tell with those trickster Cajuns…

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      • Shakin My Head says:

        anonymous, I’m pretty sure that was just a warning…Pay attention people.

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    18. Darkstar says:

      Though I’m not marked in blue I still have to negotiate the Hudson river if I have to bug out. Have some like minded friends, neighbors and family to ride it out with. Too many entitled losers just 10 miles away.

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      • Them Guys says:

        A Great Bugout Vehicle: Would perhaps be 200 folks combine some cash and have an old style Pirate ship or english man o war ship made. Then live aboard ship, use Sails to travel and go opposite directions of trouble spots. Many islands will likly remain safe compared to cities or even rural areas.

        One old style sailing vessel lke that outfitted with Modern day weaponery, a few large cannons just incase, and off we go to an island to stock food and fresh water. Plus modern water filters can change salt water to fresh drinking water. We could live like Kings and just keep moving around wherever we want to go to.

        With a few xtra modern day convienences, it could be way eaiser than it was for pirates in their day. Zero fuel costs! Free wind into sails and asap its Land HO! Thar she Blows!

        ps when I mention Pirates its to describe the ship and lfestyle, NOT to be like priate theives!

        Wonder how much cash that would take? Just $10,000 per 200 folks each is alot of cash. Enough to buy a boat like that? Once bought we’d all live cheep afterwards.

        With a screen name for postings like AHAB has, I nominate him as Capt. Capt Ahab!..I am real good at working the telescope to look for land. Just need aprox 198 more folks and its a done deal(almost)

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    19. braveheart says:

      I won’t dispute anyone who says that urban areas are NOT the places to be in when MEGA-SHTF finally hits. Up until May this year, I had totally lost hope of getting out when the balloon goes up or even before. Now I have an arrangement to go to a cousin’s BOL and already have half of my supplies located in a storage shed on the property. If I can get out of the city in time, I’ve got it made. If my truck get s zapped by an EMP, I’m screwed. I still have enough supplies to hold out awhile at home just in case. I truly dread the idea of trying to survive in the city with everything that will be happening. There’s going to be riots, looting, home invasions, rapes, bloodshed, etc., no question about it. All of the rules we live by for now will go down the toilet. Police will be nowhere to be found. They’ll be at home taking care of their families. The same will go for judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys. Courts will definitely not be in session. I expect there will be “a settling of old scores” between individuals, gangs, etc. It will be “anything goes and no holds barred.” Vigilantism will be the new order of the day. I fully expect someone will try to break in my place and take whatever I have. I do have “ventilation” equipment. I can only pray that I’ll never have to use it, but I’m not holding my breath. I believe it will happen. One thing is for sure; it ain’t gonna be nothin’ nice. braveheart

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      • Jenn says:

        That reminds me, I totally disagree with our country’s current policy of letting criminals GO in SHTF situations. Yeah, I think lesser criminals should be allowed to go (the thieves, the jaywalkers the embezzlers, etc.), but I think those who are convicted of murder, or those that are in there for sex crimes should executed, not released, in such a situation. Why turn them loose just because the building gets flooded? They should just get a sentence upgrade, to keep the REST of us safer.

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        • Smokey says:

          A local Deputy here told me once if things go bad, they are not letting go of 98% of them, they are criminals and releasing them into a lawless environment is not going to be smart. They will all be shot inside their cells.

          They’ll let a few of ‘em go home, but no druggies, no gang members, no illegals, no one with a record.

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          • Jenn says:

            Good! Glad some people are willing to do that unpleasant business for the greater good.

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            • sixpack says:

              Interesting. That’s EXACTLY what the elitists say about depopulating the earth of US. “Glad some people are willing to do that unpleasant business for the greater good.”

              It’s all a matter of perspective my friend, and yours would change if you realized that YOU’RE NOT IN THE CLUB EITHER!

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              • Jenn says:

                I said what I said because if I were a deputy sheriff in a prison, I would do the dirty work myself. I was trying to say I was glad there were other people out there who would do that same sensible thing in the event of such a catastrophic event.

                If being someone who isn’t a convicted murderer or rapist or pedophile makes me an elitist, I’m good with that.

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                • Indy Colts says:

                  I would save the ammo to defend myself and just leave the cells locked. If GOD wants them to survive he will provide a way out. Just my 2 cents. A few months ago Kula,outwest or someone had a really good quote I’ve been trying to remember. Better to die fighting standing up than go on my knees. I know that’s not it fully can you repost so I can hang up on my fridge? Thanks

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                • sixpack says:

                  “If being someone who isn’t a convicted murderer or rapist or pedophile makes me an elitist, I’m good with that.”

                  No, what makes you sound like an elitist, is the idea that YOU have the right to decide who lives and dies, according to YOUR parameters.

                  CASE IN POINT: THIS IS A TRUE STORY.

                  I have a friend who spent 7 years in prison for murder. Her name is Shelly.

                  She had a restraining order against her ex husband, who had previously attacked her on several occasions after the divorce. Once she ended up in the hospital in critical condition and almost died. She was 98 pounds soaking wet and he had literally beat her within an inch of her life.

                  She legally bought a .38 and kept it in her nightstand.

                  She woke up around 4am one morning, with her 230 pound ex sitting astride her in her bed, beating her in the face. He had climbed in her bedroom window drunk.

                  Before she blacked out, she reached the .38 and put a .38 hole in his chest.

                  I’ll leave out all of the rest of the legal wrangling details, but the short of it is SHE ended up a convicted felon for murder 2.

                  So, you’d rather shoot her, or someone like her, rather than see her go free in a SHTF situation?

                  “But for the grace of God, go I”…or YOU.

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              • Maybe she/he is.

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              • lonelonmum says:

                Agree with sixpack. Part of the tiptoe of totalitarianism is the criminalisation of dissidents, intellectuals and anyone who dares speak out against the regime.

                On that basis, everyone of us here is a “criminal”. I’ll not sign up to murdering other people whose only crime was to have wished for freedom from a psychotic, sick, inhumane regime.

                I don’t care if you are the “friendly” local sheriff, murdering people for “my own good”. Authoritarianism takes many forms, and as I age, I’m discovering I’m violently opposed to em all!

                I want to live in a community which obeys the rule of law with respect to human life, not one that supports the type of summary torture followed by execution which the mild mannered college professor grandfather of my son suffered. (Ceucescu was keen on doing away those who disagreed with his many inhumane policies).

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            • “for the greater good”…you sound like an elitest??

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              • Jenn says:

                Yeah, so I’ve been given to understand. :-) I wasn’t trying to do that, but apparently, I managed it anyway. Again, I do consider myself (and you, and everyone else who doesn’t go around murdering people for their new sneakers or whatever) a cut above the deadly criminals of the world.

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            • Jenn…ah,you really don’t want to go there…cant end well…

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          • braveheart says:

            Smokey, I’ll second the motion on that. God knows we’ll already have way too many zombies outside of jails to deal with.

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        • sixpack says:

          There was one jail where all the guards left and forgot about the inmates. The bottom floors flooded…

          http://www.hrw.org/news/2005/09/21/new-orleans-prisoners-abandoned-floodwaters

          Here’s a .pdf of statements from some other jail inmates about how they were treated

          https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/images/asset_upload_file182_23418.pdf

          The people left behind weren’t all murderers etc. There were people there waiting for trial and/or arraignment, who hadn’t been convicted of anything yet. There were people sitting there for traffic tickets for Pete’s sake. If you give authorities ‘permission’ to shoot murderers in the head, they probably won’t stop at that…give an inch, lose a mile.

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        • Sorry, I strongly disagree. For one thing those embezzling, are part of our current problem. Why should they be set free? They above most need to be locked up so that they can’t make the problems worse. Another thing, there have been too many people incarcerated for murder and rape who have been later found to be completely innocent. I am not in favor of mob mentality, it is hard enough these days to get a fair shake in the courtroom. I have worked as a jail guard and I know that there are some nice people there who at one time in their life made some bad choices. Lots of people are free now, who have done some of the same things, just not caught. Maybe you too, ever used drugs?

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      • Brave tagging on to your comment, and hope you’re well, I travel a lot and so have not been about of late it makes life difficult. stay safe my friend.

        Urban environments by virtue create a level of mass-mindedness in human beings that is unhealthy by nature, shallow people integrating in the belief they are evolved and have found some new form of thought that in the end is no different than the communism of 1914 is not the future of mankind.

        Cities have done nothing but create a progressive vacuum of thought that is so destructive to the individual human being that the effect will not be understood until the damage is done and a complete reboot of life is required to recreate civilization.

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      • Man on the inside says:

        Braveheart… if your truck is an oldie but goodie… your good. If not try to sell it and get an old f100 / c10 / doge pickup. If you can get a six with a stick. Reasonable mileage, built like tanks and a five year old can fix them. God luck bro…. oh and leave at 4 in the morning… most entitlement losers are drunk, stoned and passed out at this time…

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        • braveheart says:

          Man on the inside, last year I was going to get a 1982 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup that had been in my family since new, but something unforeseen came up and I had to cancel that plan. Sadly, the truck I’m in now is NOT EMPPROOF, but if I can make it to the BOL before an EMP hits, I’ll be allright. Planning another trip there later this month to move some more supplies there. So when bugout time comes, I can just load up a few bags and the gas cans and away I go. braveheart

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Get a little enduro dirt bike, and get more of your gear moved so you can travel light and fast!
        Just a thought Bh

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        • braveheart says:

          Kulafarmer, I appreciate the thought, but I couldn’t even stay up on a bicycle as a kid. i’ll still have just a little too much gear for a bike, anyway.

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      • Night breaker says:

        Braveheart,
        Your best bet in that circumstance is to escape and evade at night , you do not want to exfiltrate on any natural lines of drift. I.e. main roads, utility easements , rails etc that’s we’re every one else will be going . Take advantage of the confusion try to travel at night using NOD’s hole up during the day in a temporary hootch in the most dense cover and in the most out of the way place you can find. Keep noise , smells ( food prep to a minimum. Deep bury your waste ) . Keep your profile broken a recognizable shape can get you killed , stop , look and listen before moving and keep to inside of the tree line . Avoid sky lighting your self and if possible glass the area ahead before moving , when doing this keep the sun to your back to avoid reflections from you optical equipment giving you away. Make sure you break camp at dusk and set up camp just prior to sunrise check your site from a distance to be sure it is concealed enough to be prevent discovery.
        When traveling in a small group be sure to set watches when camped during the day. If alone try to find the most secluded spot you can. If evading regime forces be away of thermal signature when in a stationary posture during the day use a space blanket over your tarp to block your IR signature from FLEIR detection . If using radio tactically keep transmissions short then vacate the area imediately upon completion of communication to avoid being DF’d .

        IF you do stumble onto hostile others , break contact with minimal firing travel parallel to the noise avoid line of sight keep below the terrain (local military ridge) Always stop and check you 6 from cover .

        AVOID THE 3 DEADLY S’s: SHAPE, SHINE, SOUND

        Use METT; Mission , enemy , time and terrain to your advantage.

        ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS

        RESIST

        Semper Fi 8541

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    20. Trailer Park Investor says:

      IF things get as bad as I think they will you will not be safe in a small town of 2000 people.
      Cause when those 2000 people get real hungry where do you think they are going to go?
      Right, YOUR PLACE, word of mouth, rumors, truth and lies, very hungry people will beleive them all and they will come to YOU for food.
      First they might come begging but when that don’t work then they will come to kill you and your whole family to get what you have, and IF they can NOT have it they will make sure you wont have it either. That’s when they get desperate and burn you out. They will be mad that you will NOT share with them, you have food and they are starving so in their mind they will justify burning you and your supplies IF they can’t get it, that is exactly what they will do…
      Be safe DO NOT advertise your preps to anyone, don’t talk about them to anyone. When SHTF LOOK as hungry as everyone else. Take some of your preps and store them in different rooms/levels of your home. Bury some preps, stored in 5 or 6 gallon plastic pails, sealed in mylar bags and the lids sealed with silicon and then buy them in your back yard where no one sees you doing it or knows about it and ONLY tell your wife an older, trusted son or daughter about it and swear them to secrecy.
      Be safe NOT sorry.
      When you think (I am prepared, ready that’s when something will reach up and bit you). I thought I was prepared, BUT I had a flood in my basement and lost most of my preps I had in the basement. Thankfully I had two other locations where I had preps stored. Thinking like that really saved my ass.
      Would like to see an article on food storage and how and where to store it AFTER you pack it in mylar and plastic pails where to put it then….

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      • lonelonmum says:

        I’m posting here to warn others. GOOD people, people you love, can be too sweet and trusting of those in authority , especially if caught off guard. In SHTF that could your downfall.

        In WW2 us Brits had a saying “loose lips sink ships”.

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    21. leeholsen says:

      i live in Houston which will become bad as a big city if the SHTF. if thats a slow decline as i expect, i’ve marked walden on lake conroe.

      its about 65 miles from Houston and is on a pennensula on the far side of the lake and its a small community that can band together and defend itself easily.

      the only people that live there for the most part are those with money, so there is likely to be a lot of prepared people. i imagine being able to go months off preps and living off the lake if things dont fall apart in a week; if things go bad that fast; its mob rule and survival of the fittest.

      but as we have seen since 2008, its been a long slow decline all over. i expect its a long time before you are defending your own house on a daily basis.

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    22. SIG308 says:

      When the pumps stop running there will be too much water for anyone to stay in New Orleans!!

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    23. Barn Cat says:

      You don’t want to be living in Arizona either. Most of the area west of the Mississippi is too dry and water is an issue in many areas. The best place to bug out to IMHO is an area right on the Great Lakes. Almost anywhere on Lake Superior or any one of a number of tiny glacial lakes in NW Wisconsin and northern Minnesota. FYI: Marquette, Michigan is on Lake Superior. It FILTERS its water right from the Lake. No chlorine is necessary.

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      • BackSpace says:

        My dream BOL is NW Minnesota…near the Canadian and North Dakota boarder.. (power ball)

        North East Minnesota, the taconite mines, are owned by the Chinese and you just might end up pounding rock in a slave camp..

        Even my dream BOL may be too close..

        BS

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    24. Carol says:

      The map is incredibly egocentric just like the densely populated parts of the country. And the good news is that everywhere else, although seriously under represented and much less dependent upon the grid. Maybe even friendly.

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    25. Southern Gal says:

      Awesome to see that only two counties in TN are blue and I’m not close to either of them.

      The move here was difficult but worth it…I sleep so much better at night. I love my neighbors, I see them every morning and evening…deer and wild turkey.

      IF you can get out of the city, DO IT NOW. Like I said, was a difficult move but I sleep much better at night.

      Love and peace to all and keep prepping.

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      • Tactical says:

        Southern Gal..Just remember not to drop your guards and get into 100% comfort zone. Zombies do travel fast specially when they are hungry and most of them have been used to get free stuff and what is yours belong to them since 2008. Enjoy life.

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      • SmokyMtnLady says:

        Yep, East TN is the place to be! Love it here! :D

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        • Archivist says:

          I have relatives there, from Kingsport down to Chattanooga. We might be kin!

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          • Highspeedloafer says:

            Archivist, I once knew a girl from Kingsport whose family was related to Jessie James, a real beauty named Terry James. One of the nicest girls I’ve ever met.

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            • eppe says:

              I am a fifth cousin to Jesse James, maybe that is where I get my spit and vinegar…

              I try to pass valuable and worthwhile information,
              particularly when it pertains to history!

              Historical

              Ever wonder where the word Shit comes from? Well, here it
              is:

              Certain types of manure used to be transported (as
              everything was years ago) by ship.

              In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but
              once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier,
              but the process of fermentation began again, of which a
              byproduct is methane gas.

              As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can
              see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build
              up below decks and the first time someone came below at
              night with a lantern, BOOOOM!

              Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it
              was discovered what was happening. After that, the
              bundles of manure were always stamped with the term
              “S.H.I.T” on them which meant to the sailors to “Ship
              High In Transit.”

              In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that
              any water that came into the hold would not touch this
              volatile cargo and start the production of methane.

              Bet you didn’t know the history of that word.

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              • Smokey says:

                Don’t mean to burst your urban legend bubble, but that’s a load of it.

                It’s an ancient Teutonic word, to Old English, and now English, and certainly predates the manure shipping industry.

                One good prep to have is the compact Oxford English Dictionary, and a skeptical nature.

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        • Dave in Id says:

          My son lives in Cumberland Gap.

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            We’re looking for a few acres up in that area, Dave in ID…about an hours drive north for us, mostly rural the whole way, and if we have to end up walking, or bug out fast it’s doable! Beautiful area in the Gap! :)

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          • davis66 says:

            My brother lives close by near Corbin, ky, thinking of moving there myself. Everything is cheaper there, not a lot of big cities to worry about.

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        • SilverSax says:

          I wish I could retire somewhere around Norris Lake. Not to be, though.

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            SilverSax…LOVE Norris Lake!! The water is some of the cleanest in the state! Hard to find affordable property up there though…but I’m still looking! ;)

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    26. Anonymous says:

      I’ll just drop the bodies of those who come for my stuff in the salt marsh and let the buzzards, crabs and possum dine.

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      • Jenn says:

        I read somewhere a long time ago that the Romans used to skin their slain enemies, tan the skins and wear them for capes. Would certainly send a message. And the leather would be quite soft.

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    27. Nutbag says:

      I never thought I’d say this, but I would rather look at Hillary every day than see Brobama’s face ever again. I’ve just had enough of him.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        I feel the same way about his wife too, sick of hearing her spout about diet and gardens and stuff, disgusting is all i can say and bullshit too

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    28. Be informed says:

      This truly explains part, not by all means the whole picture, of the reason why Russia and China will go to a hot nuclear war with the U.S. before either country allows any further encroachment into Russia’s backyard.

      http://osnetdaily.com/2013/09/syria-war-is-it-about-the-last-gasp-for-the-petrodollar/

      U.S. either backs down or it is World War 3. In World War 3 the use of nuclear weapons is almost a total certainty. Will BO and his puppet masters blink? Russia sure can’t, and Putin knows this.

      Just think, the last U.S. president could be BO. Somber thought isn’t it?

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    29. Indiffissible says:

      The one thing that I don’t ever see considered in our Bug Out Plans…WE ARE AWAKE.

      I have discussed this extensively with my wife. We will know well in advance compared to the sheeple as to when its time to G.O.O.D. We should have a significant head start, if we are bugging out or need to acquire those last minute preps…never enough bullets, beans or band aids.

      Example: RSOE warned me with a red warning (it makes a different tone on my phone when a major event happens)about the Japan earthquake back in March of 2011 a full 40 minutes before the MSM reported it. When I told my wife there had been a major quake and tsunami in Japan, we turned on the news at about 2:00 am and she told me “more of your doomsday bullshit” and said I needed to quit with it…until the Fox News Alert came on.

      In a related event, I had an interesting conversation in passing with someone at my job today whose husband is an officer in an Army Infantry unit. He was just deployed to Japan and left orders with her to get as much food and ammo as she could.

      Now if we have nothing to worry about, why is an Army Infantry officer’s wife been instructed, by him, to prep (along with her co-workers and their families)while he is deployed. Take it at face value, call me full of shit or whatever you want, but this is very interesting. She also told me parts of his Division have been deployed to Africa…don’t see anything on Debka about either of these deployments, I don’t deem them as “Secret” but still very concerning.

      The units in Japan are to support the invasion of South Korea by the North the second we start bombing Syria. So do we truly have the potential for WW3, our worst nightmare?? This with the alleged FEMA Region 3 rumors…time for us to go to PREPCON DELTA.

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      • Not so Much says:

        “Example: RSOE warned me with a red warning ”

        Huh? What’s RSOE and if you’re getting info like that EARLY, then where does someone sign up?

        Also, Japan isn’t just our gateway to South Korea, it’s our gateway to the middle east and Africa as well.

        Our ships gets lots of maintenance in Oki as well as other fighting gear.

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    30. Jenn says:

      Kind of off-topic, but in a way, not….

      Have any of you ever read the book or seen the movie “On The Beach”? (The book was written by Nevil Shute.)

      I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately. The premise of the book is that some inconsequential country detonates a nuke and everyone else retaliates with their own, and so this globe-spanning nuclear cloud travels slowly around the earth, killing everyone by radiation poisoning.

      The last place to get it will be Australia. The rest of the book centers around how various people deal with their impending demise. Some get religion, some get drunk, some get daring, some get courageous, some get noble, and some just get on with life as though nothing was wrong at all.

      It’s a quietly horrifying read, one of those things where it won’t faze you while you read it (or watch the movie version), but it will probably haunt your dreams. (That happened to me the first time I read it in 10th grade.)

      I kind of feel like Syria could end up being that stupid little country that causes the nuclear chain reaction. (Though, I think the book mentions that it was one of those little “-stan” countries that few people have even heard of. I’m probably misquoting, but that was the gist of it.)

      But I don’t think moving to Australia would help.

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      • ready down under says:

        Australia is about the size of the Lower 48 and we have 23 million people – less than Kalifornia I think? Lots of places to hide here. Our gun laws are crappy but but it is still possible to have most longarms and pistols. And if you have a BOL that is kinda on the quiet and when TSHTF if you bug out with your guns and supplies (although they should have been prepositioned earlier!)you can lie low until there is some semblance of order restored or just plain ride out the storm. If the cops or military who are sent to confiscate your guns cant find you at home they’ll just think you were a victim of the anarchy and looters. Anyway, I’m guessing they’ll have a lot more on their plate than looking for some Joe Schmoe who wasnt at home when they came knocking.

        As for the fallout issue, check out a globe – the worst of that stuff will land in the Northern Hemisphere before it crosses the equator so I’m thinking down here wont be so bad. It will certainly taint pretty much anything and everything but hopefully it will be diluted a fair bit before it gets here …… but dont tell anyone OK, lets keep it a secret :-)

        Aussie.

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        • Dave in Id says:

          Thats not how it was in Mad Max. And your cops killed Crocadile Dundee for having a gun. I will just sneak under Denver Airport and live with the Elite. Also I think your population is less than Los Angeles when you factore in the illegals!

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          • Man on the inside says:

            ” I am Lord Humungus…”

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            Dave:

            Have you looked up sinister sites on your computer. Denver airport is listed there with a most interesting article.

            Was on my way to Nascar race in Las Vegas and had a stopover there. Didn’t have the time to look around; but with my political position, was relieved when we left.

            That is one eerie place.

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            • Dave in Id says:

              Granny.. thats the main hub. I said UNDER Denver. I would get kicked off this site if I posted a few things that I have researched. The hardest part is separating the Bullshit fear porn and photochop from the truth. A little hint for finding stuff… The gov does release info sometimes and its up to you to connect the dots.

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            • Canada Canuk says:

              @Pissed off Granny….just looked at that ‘sinister’site, yikes!! that is just too scarey! Hope I never have to fly into that airport. Thanx for sharing. take care, CC.

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        • Jenn says:

          I won’t tell a soul, Aussie. ;-)

          I think I’d be too afraid to go to Australia…. deadly spiders and a foot-long centipede (also deadly)? **shudders** No kangaroo is cute enough to overcome my fear of giant centipedes.

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            What about the koalas?

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          • ready down under says:

            Hi Jenn

            You can learn to live with the spiders and the centipedes arent deadly. Rarely see either. We do have 8 of the 10 worlds most venemous snakes though and the acknowledged top 3. Gotta laugh about the koalas – the worst even a totally wild one will do if you shake it’s tree is piddle on you :-)

            So we wont see you guys down here? Could do a lot worse y’know.

            Aussie

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      • What exactly has stupid little Syria done to deserve that? Help me here…

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    31. iixsive says:

      tried to sell my house back in 07 to move out to the country, i was too late, economy tanked and well the rest is as one would say history.

      so now the idea is to self sustain
      get the word out
      warn the masses of sheeple
      and find a good way to skip the country if and when things get nasty.

      southern hemisphere

      if the SHTF in a big way, the north wil not be livable in less than two years if not sooner.

      by the way

      if you think about it
      if the shtf really big
      There will be allot of green land on antarctica,

      LOL, Just sayn…

      The watcher

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      • BackSpace says:

        Think its way too late to “warn the masses of sheeple” or “get the word out”

        You best be pretending to be a “sheeple” at this point..

        OPSEC…

        BS

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    32. eppe says:

      Joke time…..

      JOKES TO OFFEND EVERYONE

      What do you call two Mexicans playing basketball?

      Juan on Juan

      What is a Yankee?

      The same as a quickie, but a guy can do it alone.

      What is the difference between a Harley and a Hoover ?

      The position of the dirt bag

      Why is divorce so expensive?

      Because it’s worth it.

      What do you see when the Pillsbury Dough Boy bends over?

      Doughnuts

      Why is air a lot like sex?

      Because it’s no big deal unless you’re not getting any.

      What do you call a smart blonde?

      A golden retriever.

      What do attorneys use for birth control?

      Their personalities.

      What’s the difference between a girlfriend and wife?

      10 years and 45 lbs

      What’s the difference between a boyfriend and husband?

      45 minutes

      What’s the fastest way to a man’s heart?

      Through his chest with a sharp knife

      Why do men want to marry virgins?

      They can’t stand criticism.

      Why is it so hard for women to find men that are sensitive, caring, and good-looking?

      Because those men already have boyfriends.

      What’s the difference between a new husband and a new dog?

      After a year, the dog is still excited to see you

      Why do men chase women they have no intention of marrying?

      The same urge that makes dogs chase cars they have no intention of driving.

      Why don’t bunnies make noise when they have sex?

      Because they have cotton balls.

      What’s the difference between a porcupine and BMW?

      A porcupine has the pricks on the outside.

      What did the blonde say when she found out she was pregnant?

      “Are you sure it’s mine?”

      Why does Mike Tyson cry during sex?

      Mace will do that to you.

      Why did OJ Simpson want to move to West Virginia ?

      Everyone has the same DNA.

      Why do drivers’ education classes in Redneck schools use the car only on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays?

      Because on Tuesday and Thursday, the Sex Ed class uses it.

      Where does an Irish family go on vacation?

      A different bar.

      Did you hear about the Chinese couple that had a blond baby?

      They named him “Sum Ting Wong”

      What would you call it when an Italian has one arm short

      er than the other?

      A speech impediment
      What’s the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?

      A southern zoo has a description of the animal on the front of the cage along with… “a recipe”.

      How do you get a sweet 80-year-old lady to say the F word?

      Get another sweet little 80-year-old lady to yell *BINGO*!

      Good thing my “BOL” is not blue, but my present home is…I hope someone smiled.

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    33. A.Martinez no not that one! says:

      Moved back home to Bama in 88, saw this crap coming. Just wondering what if they hit the wilderness areas first? And no where was safe. Just thinking!

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    34. Satori says:

      UPDATE 2-Poland reduces public debt through pension funds overhaul

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/04/poland-pensions-idUSL6N0H02UV20130904?feedType=RSS&

      * Reform moves bond assets from private to state fund

      * Some equity assets to gradually move to state as well

      * Changes seen reducing Polish public debt by 8 pct of GDP

      * Funds say moves could be unconstitutional

      * Warnings that private pension funds could be wiped out

      reform ? theft ?

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    35. Buzzfix says:

      Urban location. Yes it can be grim but on the other hand can be very advantageous to survival. Plenty of: food, water, shelter, weapons, transportation methods and, hiding places etc. Second of all it may afford better privacy as alot of people will flea and others will be to scared to venture in. If there is any kind of combat situation you’ll be better off in a urban environment. The last place you’d wanna be is in exposed open country. Living in a rural environment is great for large scale food growth and production and avoiding the initial chaos of a urban collapse. However things do and will settle down eventually. I guess its all in preference. Farming can be done in urban areas as well. So i guess there’s multiple points of view.

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    36. buttcrackofdoom says:

      why shouldn’t BO be the last prezdent? we elected the winner of the nobel prize for EVIL(hasn’t been presented yet, but it’s coming)….we deserve the gubmint we elect….BTW @kulafarmer living in Hawaii NOW….remember, you are at the doorstep of the US when china/Russia decides to invade America….you will be the first responders…..but a few months ago it seems I read that Hawaiians were anti-gun….trying to pass some draconian laws to take them away? all I know is I got popcorn and a good seat to watch it all from….meantime, party like it’s 1933!!!

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Our government is anti gun, but lots of the old school people are armed, there are lots of people who are talking now and are watching, the ethnic hawaiians are warriors at heart, they may be disorganized but will pull together when threatened so we will be a strong resistence between the locals and the Hawaiians. The biggest problem is not invasion, but what happens when they bomb the shit out of our installations to blind the military and destroy their ability, no missle batteries here, collateral damage will be huge. I dont think they would nuke us because this could be a strategic point for them to take. A bio weapon could kill everyone and leave stuff in tact, scarry shit.

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    37. eppe says:

      Teasers….
      1. There is one word in the English language that is always pronounced incorrectly. What is it?
      2. A man gave one son 10 cents and another son was given 15 cents. What time is it?
      3. A boat has a ladder that has six rungs, each rung is one foot apart. The bottom rung is one foot from the water. The tide rises at 12 inches every 15 minutes. High tide peaks in one hour. When the tide is at it’s highest, how many rungs are under water?
      4. There is a house with four walls. Each wall faces south. There is a window in each wall. A bear walks by one of the windows. What color is the bear?
      5. Is half of two plus two equal to two or three?
      6. There is a room. The shutters are blowing in. There is broken glass on the floor. There is water on the floor. You find Sloppy dead on the floor. How did sloppy die?
      7. How much dirt would be in a hole 6 feet deep and 6 feet wide that has been dug with a square edged shovel?
      8. If I were in Hawaii and dropped a bowling ball in a bucket of water which is 45 degrees F, and dropped another ball of the same weight, mass, and size in a bucket at 30 degrees F, them at the same time, which ball would hit the bottom of the bucket first? Same question, but the location is in Canada?
      9. What is the significance of the following: The year is 1978, thirty-four minutes past noon on May 6th.
      10. What can go up a chimney down, but can’t go down a chimney up?
      11. If a farmer has 5 haystacks in one field and 4 haystacks in the other field, how many haystacks would he have if he combined them all in the center field?
      12. What is it that goes up and goes down but does not move?
      13. Paul is 20 years old in 1980, but only 15 years old in 1985. How is this possible?
      14. What has four legs but only one foot?
      15. How many of each animal did Moses take on the ark?
      16. Kindly old Grandfather Lunn
      Is twice as old as his son
      Twenty-five years ago
      Their age ratio
      Strange enough was three to one
      When does Grandfather celebrate his centenary?
      17. Said a certain young lady named Gwen
      Of her tally of smitten young men
      “one less and three more
      Divided by four
      Together give one more than ten”
      How many boyfriends had she?
      18. There was a young fellow named Clive
      Whose bees number ten power five
      The daughters to each son
      Were as nineteen to one,
      A truly remarkable hive.
      How many sons (drones) were in the hive?
      19. A team’s opening batter named Nero
      Squared his number of hits, the big hero!
      After subtracting his score
      He took off ten and two more
      And the final result was a “zero”.
      How many hits did Nero make:
      20. Some freshman from Trinity Hall
      Played hockey with a wonderful ball;
      Two times its weight
      Plus weight squared, minus eight,
      Gave “nothing” in ounces at all.
      What was the weight of the ball?
      21. The Bar Z ranch was a dude ranch. One day a new “dude” asked one of the stable hands how many men were tending the horses in the corral. Having a mischievous sense of humor, he replied, “I saw eighty-two feet and twenty-six heads”. He then walked away, leaving the dude scratching his head trying to figure it out. How many men were tending the horses?
      22. One morning as Paul was getting his newspaper, he noticed on his new house something that needed to be fixed. Heading over to the hardware store, he spoke to the manager, describing his problem. The manager said, “I know just what you need”. He led Paul down some aisles and stopped in front of some bins. Digging down into some of the bins, he set something up on the shelf. “I saw your house when it was built”, the manager said. “Here’s all that you’ll need and how much it’ll cost… five will be 15 cents while fifty will be 30 cents, 250 will be 45 cents, while 2507 will only cost you 60 cents. One lady, about 20 blocks from your house, bought 30247 and only paid 75 cents! These are black, but they also come in gold and silver.” What was the manager selling?
      23. If it takes 3 people to dig a hole, how many does it take to dig half a hole?
      24. What is the beginning of eternity. The end of time and space. The beginning of every end. And the end of every place?
      The Answers
      1. Incorrectly.
      2. 1:45. The man gave away a total of 25 cents. He divided it between two people. Therefore, he gave a quarter to two.
      3. None, the boat rises with the tide. Duh.
      4. White. If all the walls face south, the house is at the north pole, and the bear, therefore, is a polar bear.
      5. Three. Well, it seems that it could almost be either, but if you follow the mathematical orders of operation, division is performed before addition. So… half of two is one. Then add two, and the answer is three.
      6. Sloppy is a goldfish. The wind blew the shutters in, which knocked his goldfish-bowl off the table, and it broke, killing him.
      7. None. No matter how big a hole is, it’s still a hole: the absence of dirt. (And those of you who said 36 cubic feet are wrong for another reason, too. You would have needed the length measurement too. So you don’t even know how much air is in the hole.)
      8. Both questions, same answer: the ball in the bucket of 45 degree F water hits the bottom of the bucket last. Did you think that the water in the 30 degree F bucket is frozen? Think again. The question said nothing about that bucket having anything in it. Therefore, there is no water (or ice) to slow the ball down…
      9. The time and month/date/year are 12:34, 5/6/78.
      10. An umbrella.
      11. One. If he combines all of his haystacks, they all become one big stack.
      12. The temperature.
      13. The years are in B.C., not A.D. as you probably assumed. Based on the system we use to number the years, the years counted down in B.C. (but they weren’t counting backwards back then).
      14. A bed.
      15. None. Moses didn’t take animals on the ark. Noah did.
      16. This year. He is 100, and his son is 50.
      17. Gwen had forty-two boyfriends. 42-1=41. 41+3=44. 44/4=11. 11-1=10.
      18. Five Thousand. Ten power five = 100,000. Divide that out (it was a 19:1 ratio) and you get a ratio of 95,000:5,000 (daughters:sons).
      19. Four. If you square it, you get 16. Subtract his number of hits and you get 12. Subtract 10 and then 2 more and you get 0.
      20. Two ounces. (Beach ball, or ping-pong ball?) 2×2=4. 4+2^2=8. 8-8=0.
      21. Eleven men (and 15 horses). 11 (men) x 2 (feet per man)=22, 15 (horses) x 4 (feet per horse)=60, and 22 (men’s feet) + 60 (horse’s feet) = 82 feet. Also, 11 (men) + 15 (horses) = 26 (total heads).
      22. House numbers. Each digit costs 15 cents.
      23. It’s impossible to dig a half of a hole. Either you have a hole, or you don’t.
      24. The letter E.

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    38. Just because you aren’t presently in blue doesn’t mean the fungi from there won’t find you.
      stay focused, stay informed and don’t freak out.
      Peace.

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    39. slingshot says:

      Lots of Closet Yankee’s in Florida.

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    40. Buzzfix says:

      The best places to be are indeed the Great Lakes region due to the fresh water sources. Water=Life out west will be a giant dried out no mans land. Warring over water will be ferocious. No thank you. I encourage all of you to relocate to the great lakes region ;) plenty of water and farm land. Housing stock is affordable as well. The only struggle can be the harsh winters. Cold weather survival is imperative. Im speaking from N.E. Ohio.

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    41. eppe says:

      Slow night…

      Things I’ve learned about Georgia….
      1. Possums sleep in the middle of the road with their feet in the air.
      2. There are 5,000 types of snakes and 4,998 live in Georgia.
      3. There are 10,000 types of spiders. All 10,000 live in Georgia, plus a couple no one’s seen before.
      4. Squirrels will eat anything.
      5. Unknown critters love to dig holes under tomato plants.
      6. Raccoons will test your crop of melons and let you know when they are ripe.
      7. If it grows, it sticks; if it crawls; it bites.
      8. A tractor is NOT an all-terrain vehicle. They do get stuck.
      9. Onced and Twiced are words.
      10. It is not a shopping cart, it is a buggy.
      11. Fire ants consider your flesh as a picnic.
      12. People actually grow and eat okra.
      13. Fixinto is one word.
      14. There ain’t no such thing as “lunch”. There’s only dinner and then there’s supper.
      15. Tea is appropriate for all meals and you start ! drinking it when you’re 2.
      16. Backards and forwards means I know everything about you.
      17. ‘Jeet? is actually a phrase meaning “Did you eat?”
      18. You don’t have to wear a watch because it doesn’t matter what time it is. You work until you’re done or it’s too dark to see.
      You know you’re from Georgia if:
      1. You measure distance in minutes.
      2. You’ve ever had to switch from “heat” to “A/C” in the same day.
      3. You know what a ‘dawg’ is.
      4. You see a car running in the parking lot at the store with no one in it, no matter what time of the year.
      5. You use “fix” as a verb. Example: I am fixing to go to the store.
      6. All the festivals across the state are named after a fruit, vegetable, grain, insect or animal.
      7. You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked.
      8. You carry jumper cables in your car… for you OWN car.
      9. You know what “cow tipping” is.
      10. You only own four spices: salt, pepper,! texas pete and catsup.
      11. The local papers cover national and international news on one page but requires 6 pages for local gossip and sports.
      12. Your think that the first day of deer season is a national holiday.
      13. You find 100 degrees Fahrenheit “a little warm”.
      14. You know all four seasons: Almost summer, summer, still summer, and Christmas.
      15. You know whether another Georgian is from north,south or middle Georgia as soon as they open their mouth.
      16. Going to Wal-mart is a favorite past time known as “goin wal-martin” or off to “Wally World”
      17. You describe the first cool snap (below 70 degrees) as good pinto-bean weather.
      18. A carbonated soft drink isn’t a soda, cola, or pop…it’s a Coke, regardless of brand or flavor, Example: “What kinna coke you want?”
      19. Fried Catfish is the other white meat.

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    42. Barn Cat says:

      If you live in a big city and have nowhere else to go, look online at real estate sites that have foreclosed homes. Find listings for a couple of them outside the city. If you can’t go anywhere else, break into one of them and live there. Preferably close to water.

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    43. Proftel says:

      “BombObama” doing Russian roulette.
      Put a bullet in the barrel, ran, closed, went to NATO, UK made ​​”click”, rolled the drum back.
      The next of the “wheel” is the Congress, the hammer was pulled.
      Another historical analogy for thinking: The Roman Empire. Expanded so much that needed “non-Roman citizens” in their ranks, literally mercenaries there, the Empire fell and the rest is history you do not know, try to know.
      The missile crisis in Cuba is 0.1% of what is happening today (like Chernobyl is 0.5% as of Fukushima disaster).
      This is the same situation I faced last year when my father died after four long years of pancreatic cancer diagnosed.
      While he was alive, I thought I was prepared for the “death” of him, when the news arrived, dismounted.
      Third World War must be more or less the same thing, you think you’re ready but when the shit grab the fan, keep a cool head, think only on their relatives, and you, the rest be damned!

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    44. Proftel says:

      Original em Português-BR:

      “”BombObama” está fazendo roleta russa.
      Colocou um projétil no tambor, rodou, fechou, passou para a OTAN, Reino Unido fez “click”, rodou o tambor, devolveu.
      O próximo da “roda” é o Congresso, o cão da arma foi puxado.
      Outra analogia histórica para se pensar: O Império Romano. Se expandiu tanto que precisou de “cidadãos não-romanos” em suas fileiras, literalmente mercenários daí, o Império caiu e o resto da História se vocês não sabem, procurem saber.
      A crise dos mísseis em Cuba é 0,1% do que está acontecendo hoje (assim como Chernobil é 0,5% de Fukushima como desastre).
      Essa situação é a mesma que enfrentei ano passado quando meu pai morreu após longos quatro anos de câncer pancreático diagnosticado.
      Enquanto ele estava vivo, eu pensava que estava preparado para a “morte” dele, quando a notícia chegou, desmontei.
      Terceira Guerra Mundial deve ser mais ou menos a mesma coisa, você pensa que está preparado mas, quando a merda agarrar no ventilador, tenha cabeça fria, pense só nos seus parentes e, em você, o resto que se dane!”

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    45. PrepperDude says:

      I was glad the article touched on some of the throughways, and also mentioned Joel Skousen, but that map is far from complete. Check out Skousen’s Strategic Relocation. It is more detailed, and gives a rating for each state. Utah and Idaho rank top of the list in his guide.

      Being that I am from Utah, I kinda like to toot my horn! When crap hits the fan, come on in. I would be more than happy to trade with you or give you a warm place to stay for the night.

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    46. PO'd Patriot says:

      I believe that I’d be more wary of the people up the road from me than some blue square 60 miles away. What was starting to take place at the gas station in the Jericho vid on the past thread is evident enough. Are you ready to put a bullet in your neighbor? How ’bout a cousin or a once close friend? These situations are going to determine just how ugly those people I listed might possibly get. It’ll also determine how long you, your spouse and children live, or not.

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    47. Proftel says:

      “Jack” the Ripper English book probably thought so: let’s party …

      I am Professor of Geography, and most of my students know that the oil reserves in the U.S. are almost exhausted, know that in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico thing goes from bad to worse.
      Know what Fracking and pretty much what makes the water table above as well as debris generated in Canada by the extraction of oil from Oil Shale.
      Us agree, cover the sun with sieve through the media is easy.
      The clay feet of the giant U.S. are cracking, unfortunately.
      As occurred with the ancient Greece, Rome, Spain / Portugal, France / England, Germany / Italy / Japan (IIWW), empires fall, always fell, the Bible is the oldest!
      The question is whether the U.S. Empire will no longer be elegantly or knees to the world.
      When it kills a lot of people around the world with drones, napalm, phosphorus (ceded to Israel), cluster bombs, projectiles with low radiation, when gun mercenaries to do the dirty work without a flag, and at the expense of the press thinks the rest of the world is stupid, consequences will follow.
      The world has endured many slaps in the face that will overthrow the politicians voted by the people through fair elections to mass killings and bombs in the head.

      One day the house falls by the way is the hard way.

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    48. Proftel says:

      Original em Português-BR:

      “”Jack”, o estripador inglês do livro provavelmente pensava assim: vamos a pedaços…

      Sou Professor de Geografia e, a maioria dos meus alunos sabem que as reservas de petróleo nos EUA estão praticamente esgotadas, sabem que no Alaska e no Golfo do México a coisa vai de mal a pior.
      Sabem o que é Fracking e, muito bem o que faz ao lençol freático acima, bem como os detritos gerados no Canadá pela extração de petróleo do Xisto Betuminoso.
      Convenhamos, tapar o sol com peneira através da mídia é fácil.
      Os pés de barro do gigante EUA estão rachando, infelizmente.
      Assim como na antiguidade ocorreu com Grécia, Roma, Portugal/Espanha, França/Inglaterra, Alemanha/Itália/Japão (IIWW), impérios caem, sempre cairam, está na Biblia os mais antigos!
      Resta saber se os EUA deixarão de ser Império com elegância ou, de joelhos perante o mundo.
      Quando se mata muita gente ao redor do mundo com drones, napalm, fósforo (cedido a Israel), bombas de fragmentação, projéteis com baixa radiação, quando se arma mercenários para fazer o serviço sujo sem bandeira e, às custas da imprensa se pensa que o resto do mundo é idiota, consequências virão.
      O mundo já aguentou muitos tapas na cara que vão de derrubada de políticos votados pelo povo através de eleições justas até assassinatos em massa e bombas na cabeça.

      Um dia a casa cai, pelo jeito será da pior maneira.”

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    49. Satori says:

      this list is by no means complete

      These False Flags Were Used To Start A War

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-05/these-false-flags-were-used-start-war

      governments LIE
      that is what they do

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      • Proftel says:

        satori:

        Missed count the numerous military coups in Latin America that gave in bloodbaths in the late 1950/60: Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela etc.. All on account of financial interests masquerading as ideology perpetrated by the CIA.
        It’s what I say: the world is fed up with so much action!

        Is the time to put a stop to it, or good, or for evil.

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    50. Ralph says:

      Better to live more than 40 miles from any city with over 5,000 people. Better survival if you live more than 25 miles from an Interstate or US Highway.

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    51. Satori says:

      MEET OUR NOBLE SYRIAN REBEL ALLIES

      http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=60198

      CAUTION discretion advised in watching this video
      not for the faint hearted

      this is who we will be supporting
      this is where our tax dollars will be going

      my question is
      WHY is Obama supporting terrorists ?????????????

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    52. dakrat says:

      all i have to say is survive a north dakota winter or any of the few states with a 181 temp swing between summer max and winter min… i’ve done it and that climate is one hell of a deturent to the non locals.

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    53. Okie rebel says:

      Well here in oklahoma, Tulsa and Oklahoma City are in the blue. I live bout fifty five miles east of Tulsa, however I dread dealing with the meth heads, druggies, thieves, and low life’s that live out here if shtf. We have to watch out for one another now to keep them from breaking into our places. It’ll get a lot worse as time goes on. Even though our area isn’t in blue,our area is heavily populated now. Three of my favorite deer hunting spots have new houses built on them. It is just too crowded, everybody looking for their slice of heaven, which I completely understand. God bless all of y’all and good luck.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Hey there, Okie rebel! Glad to see our home state represented here at Mac’s site. We’re a bit south and west of you, (quite a bit, actually) but I know the area well. Been hauling chicken out of nw AR for years. You’re right about the expanding population up there. Seems like every little town has a new Dollar store and casino every time I drive through. Sure not the same as it was back in the day. Used to be some great fishing in the lakes up there too.
        Stay well and keep our northeast corner covered!

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    54. webster says:

      how did he come up with this map? There are way more blue areas than he’s showing.

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    55. Socrates says:

      As much as this map looks all ‘official’ it is definitely flawed and not a 100% reliable guide to go by. If one really wants to know where the dense population centers in the US are, one should view it as an alien would…from space. The glow from the urban centers is a better indicator of urban sprawl and industry. Use this NASA image taken from one of the missions as an overlay for the map posted above with the blue areas. http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/712129main_8247975848_88635d38a1_o.jpg

      I may be wrong here but the US Census data only shows the peaks or higher weighted numbers as maximums…and not the high densities around the peak areas…which make the ‘blue’ areas that much bigger.

      For instance Jefferson County located in Colorado has a pop of approx. 5,187,582 as of 2012. Denver county has only 634,265. Imagine if you are surrounded by counties that have upwards of 500,000 people and have to travel through 2-3 of them on your bug our route. If you do you ain’t going nowhere, I’ll tell ya that right now.

      You want data? then go get it while you can and save the web page results to your computers as a .MHT file. load the page data you want and then choose files/save as. Choose the type from the dropdown as a .MHT file. You will have not only the numbers, but a breakdown of each populated area as well: How many men and women between ages of 18-25 for instance. I suggest you all go check out your OWN states and locations. Knowledge is power- use it wisely…while you can.
      http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html

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    56. Shootit says:

      This war in Syria is not about Sarin gas, it is about LNG and a pipeline. Further the Petrodollar is in trouble. Quite listening to the CORP.

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    57. Be informed says:

      Was watching Frankenstein kerry telling everyone that he was reassured that Russia would not go to war over Syria. Franky is not a very good liar as he was stuttering as he tried to choked out the words to somehow appear believable to the idiot masses that actually “think” that chemical weapons is what this is all about in Syria.

      Fly them false flags BO and the rest of those that want to war to distract from the failing economy. Of course that ogress Medusa feinsteinless came on in all of its true ugliness inside and out in full support of the false flag.

      Putin on what he thinks of John Kerry: “He is lying, and (he) knows he is lying”. “It’s sad”

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Be Informed:

        Jon Rappaport of no more fake news commented today…

        Quote “Also, just out of curiosity is John Kerry alive? He looks like a corpse who’s been re-animated in a castle in Transylvania. Just asking.”

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      • maudy fricket says:

        Kerrys’ grandfather was a Rabbi. They changed their name to Kerry so as to trick the Irish in Boston to vote for him. Kerry says he didn’t know of his own Jewish roots to a few years ago. I knew of his roots at least 5 years before he claims he did. This liar has never had an honest thought. Has never spoken the truth in his entire life. His right eye looks like it’s about to fall out.

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    58. Okie rebel says:

      Thanks smokin okie, will do for sure. God bless you and keep up the good work

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    59. Be informed says:

      Israel and Azerbaijan (ex-Soviet state that borders the Caspian Sea above Iran) sign anti-Iran intelligence pact. The country of Azerbaijan in 2005 finished construction on Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that runs through Georgia into Turkey. There comes up that issue again on energy. Turkey sure supports the Syrian rebels, and Georgia was already flattened by Russia when they tried to expand NATO right into Russia’s southern borders. Now Azerbaijan is teaming up with Israel to get at Iran, via, really Russia and the Caspian Sea energy riches. By the way Turkey is massing huge amounts of tanks and armored vechicles on the Turkey/Syrian border.

      The U.S. has enough natural gas to run this country for decades, yet they are risking getting the whole country throughly nuked basically over greed of those energy resources in the Middle East and the Caspian Sea region. Makes a lot of sense to only an elitist totally sick with greed and power.

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      • James in Dallas says:

        @Be Informed
        We have so much natural gas here in America, we flare (burn) more than we sell or use. Just wasted because we have so much natural gas and not enough brains.
        I have worked in the oil field for most of my life. Some places out in west Texas are glowing orange at night because so much gas is being flared. It’s been going on like that for years.

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      • Tactical says:

        BI, another excellent post by you. The stated elitist parasites can only survive through the support of sub parasites. I’ll let the readers to decide who the parasites are and who are the sub parasites. Hint….one category of such sub parasites still screams that they have been discriminated for long time so they are now entitled to everything free and they even have a leader directly supporting the parasite masters.

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      • maudy fricket says:

        Russia is arming Armenia. To counter the Azeri re-arming. Sounds like we are in for WW3.

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      • ENFP says:

        Would agree with you BJ 100% except that it isn’t only natural gas as an energy source for us. It is about replacing the petrodollars and the US$ as the world reserve currency. I, for one, would much rather see that happen and we devolve into a 3d world life style than get nuked in a WW3 scenario.

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    60. SmokinOkie says:

      Blue counties. Red states. Purple Haze. It’s all the same to me.

      We had Fletcher, our 10 yr old nephew spend a couple weeks with us this summer. He’s a good kid, but coming from the big city he had no clue about farm life. That’s ok. I was willing to teach him. Plus, when they’re young like that, you can get more work out of them, provided you get your bluff in good. (‘Around here, if you don’t work, you don’t eat. Simple as that. Am I clear?’)
      Fletch actually turned out to be a good hand. Did his chores right on time and without complaining. What he lacked was any understanding of animal husbandry. He had no idea where beef came from. Or pork chops. Or even eggs. So, of course I had to straighten him out on a few things. One afternoon, we came in from chores and he proudly said to my wife, “Uncle okie has been teaching me about the birds and the bees!”
      Mrs okie jerked around to face me, her eyes squinting like Clint Eastwood in those old movies. (I half expected her to say ‘Do you feel lucky, punk? Well…do ya?) Instead she said, “And what, EXACTLY, have you been teaching this boy?”
      ‘Just the usual things a farm kid learns about life,’ I stammered, trying to look less guilty than I felt.
      Fletch spoke up, “He told me all about how the chickens make eggs for us! He said they have a late night poker game out in the henhouse and win them from the raccoons. Then they leave them in the little nest boxes for us to get next morning! Isn’t that cool?!”
      ‘Well… it may be a bit different than that,’ I defended myself, ‘I was just using an analogy.’
      Fletch went on, “And he told me all about how the cows make baby cows… I mean calves! He said they go to a big cow hospital and get them from the cow nursery. And sometimes, they go to work for Chick Fil-A painting those billboards before they come to live on the farm. That sound like fun!”
      Mrs okie shot a few daggers at me. I ducked and they stuck in the wall behind me. “What else did he tell you?”
      “He said the secret way to start the tractor is to say the magic words. He’s teaching me all of them! But he said I shouldn’t use them at school or in the house. I guess they only work outside or something!”
      Mrs okie began cracking her knuckles, while I sweated. “And what else?”
      ‘Oh nothing really,’ I said, ‘Just more boring old farm stuff, like… uh…’
      Fletch interrupted, “He told me that when the boar pig gets behind the girl pig like they do, that she’s giving him a ride! And that’s how we got the term ‘Piggy Back Ride! He even said you and him sometimes-”
      “That’ll be enough!!” shouted my wife, turning red. “Fletcher, go up to your room and watch tv or something. I need to have a private discussion with your uncle.”
      She turned back to me, steam rising from her ears, “Did you also happen to mention how we make steers out of the bull calves?” she asked, reaching into the kitchen drawer for a knife.
      At least that’s what I think she said. By then I was half way down the driveway. I spent the night in town. It was the first time since my teenage years that I was afraid to go home…..

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    61. I’m northwest of Nashville with no chance of moving any time soon. But I do have plans finalized with a close family member who lives way out in the country. It is a huge load off my mind, even if we had two walk we can make it in under a week.

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    62. Adam Miller says:

      You dont want to be in crowded places when the SHTF because competition for resources will drive everyone into madness. I posted this link on another thread but its worth mentioning again, this is a good way to get people thinking about prepping folks, check it out. One more prepared person is one less bastard one of us will have to shoot later.

      http://ConflictedTheGame.com/scenario-of-the-week/

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      • Them Guys says:

        You can ask Mac to put up a Paid Ad for that “game” you are selling. Alot of people selling stuff has Paid Ads here. Take a gander at both sides of the screen to view Paid Ads for sellers of stuff.

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    63. James V says:

      Luckily, I live in Canada…Ontario to be more precise. I live across from Massena, NY, along the St Lawrence River. Lots of good fishing. A short trip to the outskirts of our small city (45000) and there’s ample deer, moose, rabbit. I still remember everything taught to me in Scouts…from starting a fire to skinning a rabbit(that smell!!). You all are welcome up here if anything happens….I know some places to bug out to if you’ve got a good tent. The only problem is I may be within the blast radius of New York City…it’s about 5-6 hrs drive for me. I’ve got a pretty good idea where to go, and what resources are available there. Because the majority of Canada’s population is along the border with the US, the further north you go, the fewer people you see, and the more natural resources are available. I’m by no means a guide, but I know a few things….enough to survive anyway. I will extend a warm hand of friendship to anyone wishing to head this way. You have a place to rest if ever needed.

      James V

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    64. nunya says:

      Stay upstream of major cities with rivers running through them. Downstream will be polluted with bodies and raw sewage.

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    65. SilverSax says:

      Although I’m not in a blue county, I’m adjacent to one.
      I consider myself “highly-prepped”. Even though I live in a suburb of a major metro area, there’s no way I’ll try to leave when SHTF unless conditions become unliveable, for whatever reason. I have all my tools, fuel, firewood and vital preps right here, so I’ll stay as long as I can.
      I’ve thought for some time now that when the tipping point comes, the first thing I’ll do is throw a few guns in the truck and go to the Sheriff’s office. They’ll certainly need help guarding vital points (WalMart, Kroger, Home Depot, etc). After a few days they’ll almost certainly need guards at the county line to prevent the starving urban refugees from swarming into our county.
      If I’m wrong, and they make no attempt to prevent this, I’ll fall back and try to get my subdivision organized and blockaded.

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    66. Nestled nicely between DC and NYC … I would not consider my area a great place to be if the SHTF

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    67. I wanna be below the glacier line of the most recent ice age , like that trailer park tween kansas n texass. ie okrahoma

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    68. Gauf says:

      The Blue areas are the FEMA safezones. Always head for the blue areas where you can get a shower followed by hot food. Boxcars will be running in and out daily…..

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    69. Just be sure to watch for the big false flag , It will be on U.S. soil, its what will make him King Dicktator .

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    70. slingshot says:

      It depends on what the disaster is which will affect what people do. People will behave different in a Power outage. Differently in a Nuclear Exchange. One being more threating to their lives. Most will sit and wait for help. Stay in their comfort zone of their homes and use up supplies. In a city population there are children and the seniors. Those with medical and physical problems. How many could carry supplies or even face the elements. Fear will keep some home. How many will be armed? How many will venture out knowing there are others in the same boat. So if a city has a million people in it, I do not think all will be able to become raiders. Most will be gangs already established. The draw down of fuel will eventually limit their range. From car and truck to motorcycle to regular bike and then foot travel. They will be met with resistance in an unknown area to them like downed trees and a sniper a few hundred yards down the road.

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    71. http://news.yahoo.com/skorea-bans-fish-ne-japan-radiation-fears-105209302.html

      Ahhh.. its not out of “Fear” as they say in this article..its out of “Knowing” whats contaminated and how bad it really is

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        VRF:

        Amazing, South Korea cares for their people more than the US does!

        We have our own little Fukashima. Not nuclear; but just as deadly. It is the COREXIT sprayed in the gulf to clean up the oil spill. Deadly, deadly poison. Who manufactures Corexit….Nalco. Who owns Nalco..Goldman Sachs, Apollo,Blackstone. The same old list of TPTB. Making money is the name of the game; they don’t give a rats#@% how eating seafood from that region is affecting our population.

        Wouldn’t eat that stuff, for love nor money.

        If you red-thumb this article; be a standup person and show me proof I am wrong.

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    72. Kulafarmer says:

      Over on Zero hedge,
      State Department Orders evacuation of Lebanon Diplomats

      Thought you ought to know

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    73. anony says:

      I’m truly afraid.

      what is there for me to do. I’m old, sick, unable to run, got no place to go, I’m in the middle of ground zero.
      Shall I just bend over and kiss my butt goodbye?
      Why do this things have to happen?
      The world has not learned yet that war is not the answer?
      Every nation must disarm!

      Anony

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      • Swinging on a star says:

        anony,

        As cliché as it may sound, you are where you are supposed to be. If you believe in God and trust him then you must leave your fate in his hands. You say you have no place to go, unable to run, well, God will guide you and if he wants you to be somewhere else then he will open a door of opportunity for you to walk through. Pose the question that you posted here, directly to God with prayer for guidance. That is how I live my life each and every day, just make certain that your eyes are open and you see the door.

        Meanwhile, prepare for hard times and believe in miracles.

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        • David says:

          This approach is the exact and only one that will bring a peaceful mind, body and soul. Like I said earlier, we live part time in the city and part time at the sanctuary. It’s 2 and a half hours away and with enough lead time I/we could make it no worries. The point is while I pray for discernment to know when it’s time to head out in order to get there, i know, too, i may not be listening at the time and now after thinking my options through wherever i am at the time is where i am supposed to be. If it means I come Home earlier than up north, so be it for “No eye has seen, no ear has heard or the heart of man conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him.” dj

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      • The Lone Ranger says:

        Download the Seal of the Living God from http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com, then make several copies, get them blessed by a Priest, keep one on your person at all times and one hanging in your home/dwelling. That will protect you from any and all evildoers. Prep, Pray, and Maintain the Seal of the LIVING God.

        - The Lone Ranger

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    74. sunshine says:

      So, today at newswithviews, Dr. Edwin Vieira addresses the attack being debated in Congress, on Syria, and gives us the Constitutional answer. His article is: “A new Nuremberg Moment”… at http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin258.htm It is not very easy to read, but it is accurate interpretation of law…but a lot is very readable, and at the end , he tells what solutions are available…print it out and study and share with others…or just forward it on to others.

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    75. me me says:

      Anywhere…where’s there is a high concentration of poor black folks who don’t have money. Remember the Rodney King riots…they had a ball.

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    76. Horse'sass says:

      The biggest problem I have with the so called isolated East of the Mississippi locations in eastern Tn, western NC, Ozarks etc is that they lack the protection afforded (paradoxically) by harsh winters, which in the intermediate and long term would prevent the Golden Hoards, and semi organized raider gangs (which would coalesce after the initial crunch had passed) from arriving at your BOL.

      Any “campaigns” by raider gangs into places like Maine would require a greater mobilization effort and supply line to survive the winters and would not be worth the effort compared to easier targets in the lower latitudes.

      Of course, heating in the winter means having to haul a lot of firewood, having very efficient insulation etc. Then, there is the issue of food storage- in theory this might not be as bad because even though the growing season is shorter, you could store food with the benefit of the winter freezer and early spring and fall root cellaring. In the south, you have a year long growing season, true, but you would also be hassled with year round 24 hr/day guard duty.

      All I know is that I would sure rather cut and haul fire wood in peace, during regular hours during the day so I could get a good night’s sleep instead of having to worry about year round harassment by vagrants and gangs afforded by benign weather of the southern climes.

      UP Michigan would be less desirable than northern Maine because of relative lack of timber. Maine and Michigan would be better than Montana and the Redoubt because of easier accessibility to water, and correct me if I am wrong, I think farming would be easier in Maine and Michigan because of better soil etc.

      In other words, I place more stock into the protective effect of harsh winters rather than geographic isolation.

      Would love to hear counter arguments.

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      • KY Mom says:

        In rural areas of the Appalachian mountains there are extensive family ties.

        We do get snow here. The roads often wind around the mountains and can be difficult to navigate in the winter.

        Also, while the majority of people may not be considered ‘wealthy’, many have continued to raise gardens, have chickens, hunt, can their food, make quilts, etc. – as their grandparents did.

        That is a bonus.

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        • Them Guys says:

          Snow keeps riff raff away I agree. In Lower Northern mich, where I am at we get Lots of snow usually. Last two yrs barly any. But once it snows here a couple feet deep it Remains on ground untill spring melt.

          But in the UP mich, they really get snow! My pal has a 5-bedroom crib was in their family since great gramps era mid 1850′s. Its located xactly 30-miles before the Very tip or End of the “Rabbit” ears! Called Calumet in Keewenaw county. He showd me pictures of middle winter with lots of snow.

          Most of those pictures had snow up to the houses Gutters at edge of roof! On avg they get Over 300+ inches snow per season! Thats alot of deep deep snow.

          His homes gutter area at edge of roof had to be at least 12 ft high from ground level. I kid you not, snow laid Even on ground with that roofs edge, entire house looked burried with deep pathway from front door to street in front. Every house or store is situated only aprox 10-15 feet back from road. Its a two lane blacktop that from his crib if you go more than 30 miles north towards Lake superior…You will be In the Lake!

          Awsome land and scenery etc…But lots deep snows in UP mich. Thats why I stayed in Lower Penn north lower mich area. Still plenty snow, but Not like the UP has!

          Had another pal he lived in Iron Mt in UP mich near wisconsin border. he too had similar deep snow. One picture he showed me was taken from inside house he had to hold the camara above his head arms out streached almost to celing while pointing camara out the liv room window to snap a photo of his deep snow yard.

          He tried to leave to go to a store and 50 feet from the crib his snow mobile got stuck so deep it was standing straight Up like doing a wheelie! Only he wasn’t trying to do any wheelies…Got stuck, dug back of sled in deep and thats where it remained till springtime! he crawled on his belly back to house doorway. Snow there had to be at least 8-9 ft deep on level ground snow areas!

          I doubt many gang banger types or looters will travel in such cold snowy places as mich. I think the entire Northern zone across america will end up the ONLY safe areas left if it gets bad enough with troubles etc.

          Them nice always warm zones is whos getting overrun with riff raff and monkys galore. They hate cold and snow. Thats good cause I sure aint too fond of any living around here. If they do arrive even if in ok or good times…I will be Gone in a couple hrs! I refuse to reside with that type any longer and if that makes me a rayssis…So be it. I will be a very Happy rayssis and safer also. If God wanted us all to be together, he’d have made us all the same. he didnt, we aint, and I plan to do My best efforts to Honor Gods will to keep Me and Them seperate just as george wallace advised 50 yrs ago.

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      • eeder says:

        To me, in America, there is no better place then the UP of Michigan as a perfect rural location to live in. I am happy where I am on the other side of Lake Huron in Canada. I agree. The winter is a good thing. It kills. It cleanses. It is good for you and good for the soul.

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    77. Federalist45 says:

      I wonder if the best solution is to just go on the offensive. Men of action don’t hunker down and wait for nomadic bands of evil-doers to search them out to attack them. Men of action recognize the challenges and risks–as SHTFPLAN readers have done–and go on the offensive. NOW. Start TODAY at your local government level and make it clear that you are “mad as hell, and are not going to take it anymore.” Get all like-minded neighbors, family, and friends to do the same. Seize control NOW of the local government and begin shaping it to meet OUR needs. Once accomplished, use that local government to seize the State House seat for the district, then the Congressional seat. . . Build yourselves into a State level power then a power in your State that can name which candidates will succeed for governor, Congressman, Senator. . .

      And if the SHTF in the meantime, then by all means, ATTACK. You will have organized, equipped, supplied, and strategized from the time your first start to take control of local government, so you KNOW exactly what enemy centers of gravity are likely to be. ATTACK them. You will have the police on your side since YOU control local government. Seize your town. Seize your county. Seize your district. . . Seize your State. Don’t wait for them. ATTACK them before they can even organize.

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    78. HD74Man says:

      LMFAO, look at MassholeLand, the bastion of Ted Kennedy liberalism…half the state designated a danger zone because of all the welfare freebies given out to the massive influx of 3rd world garbage; aka Haitians, Cape Verdians, Somalis, et. el. looking for something for nothing from US citizens being taxed to death. They all think they’ll be bailing to Maine, NH, and Vermont, the citizens of which they all regard as toothless, ignorant, hillbillies with no indoor plumbing. As a Mainer all I can say is when the SHTF, and you fly a Masshole license plate; when you head across the Piscataquis River Bridge, you best be wearin’ your body armour.

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    79. Lynne says:

      They are using the Blueways (by executive order) to drive out people from the rural areas. Just look at what they are working on pulling with the White River Blueway in northern Arkansas/southern Missouri…taking control of millions of acres because it’s all “watershed” areas for the White River. The government recently lied and said they were backing off due to the uproar but it’s not true…if you live in either of these states, you need to find the facebook groups that are working to stop it and see what they’ve found out…all part of Agenda 21, folks.

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      • Federalist45 says:

        But why are there thousands of properties for sale in Northern Arkansas and Southern Missouri? Anything from lakefront to riverfront to farmland to bottom land. Do you have any links you can post that prove the govt’s plans and actions?

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    80. Mark says:

      “During Hurricane Rita, which hit Houston several years ago, every major pipeline out of the city was jammed for hundreds of miles. Interstate 45 from Houston to Dallas was bumper to bumper traffic. Normally a 4 hour trip, those who didn’t evacuate in time were stuck on the highway without food, gas, sanitation, or potable water for upwards of 15 hours.”

      All true. And many people got as far as Cypress, Spring, or Kingwood and just camped out in grocery store parking lots for days. There was much trash flying around and people were just crapping in parking lots or parks. Some parked in cul-de-sacs in sub-divisions and waited it out there.

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      • slingshot says:

        Mark.

        If your going to be stupid, you better be tough.
        All the major roads will be slow or jammed. People are just fucking stupid. Yes they throw the garbage on the ground and all I want to do is break their damn leg or arm to give them an honest excuse why they could not put “Their” garbage in a trash can.

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    81. PPODD says:

      Does anyone think when it hits the fan that there will be one hour or even one day where everyone panics at the same time – scrambling for supplies, etc.? I just have a feeling that there will be a decent amount of time to move to a safe bug-out location. The shock will take time to soak in to everyone, and I think most people won’t bring themselves to believe it.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Dont kid yourself,
        Around here,
        Even though we have had Tsunami warnings and evacuations and near miss hurricains,
        At the last minute it is still ALWAY bedlum!
        People lining up at gas station and fighting over ice and bags of chips, traffic snarled, markets crammed and all but at a dead stand still.
        There are a lot of stupid fuckers out there.
        Its amuzing, appauling, but still amuzing,

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    82. Gonetoolong says:

      Thought of the day. It looks like nobody but about 5 asshats in DC want this Syrian war. What if….crybaby Obama does not get his way. Has to crawfish on the Syrian attack, then a couple of months down the road there just happens to be a false flag staged with gas in the states? Then we would see one hell of a “See, I told you so and start a war anyway with martial law stateside. So many possibilities these days.

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    83. Looking to hook up with some like minded people in the Murfreesboro Tn. area. I’m leaving a group in Illinois, and moving to the area around Murfreesboro very soon. I’m retired cop with tactical training/ med training/fire arms instructor, and been working on Survival from the late 70′s and still doing it. Contact me PLEASE.

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    84. ponomo says:

      Where are the 535 WDC Corporation reps going to hang out?
      Maybe there would be room for me in their basement.

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    85. Satori says:

      Fact Or Fiction: Poll Says Majority Of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-06/fact-or-fiction-poll-says-majority-americans-approve-sending-congress-syria

      too funny
      I say send the S.O.B.’s

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    86. ScoutMotto says:

      I’m updating the bug out bag today because of this article, Mac. Thanks for the heads-up. I’m definitely in a blue area!

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    87. swampratt says:

      After reading this article and some of the comments
      it looks like about 99% of preppers will die because
      you go into panic mode every time and aticle like this gets posted stay out of the main stream keep preppin
      and when it all goes to shit take your family disappear
      into the wilderness and you will be fine know one ever said it would be easy and Mac please stop posting this stupid shit

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    88. Satori says:

      Obamacare rollout

      Minn. health care exchange’s rates lowest so far

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/minn-health-care-exchanges-rates-202909308.html

      might have to move to Minnesota
      my insurance would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper
      and with better benefits than what I have now

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    89. Joe91 says:

      Looks like Long Island NY is in there,I have to move there for work in a week. When the SHTF,Wish me luck! Though as soon as I start seeing the signs (the BIG one’s) I’m hauling ass out of there

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    90. mpulse-control problems such as gambling, pyromania and compulsive shopping collectively affect 9% of the population’
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyromania

      Urban or rural , I spect a lot of shit is simply going too burn , cause there will be no resources to put out fires.

      Scary when you think that even if only 2 out of 27 people are pyros. That is still 6 million firestarters who will light things up WTSHTF.

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    91. Kulafarmer says:

      Gen Martin Dempsey Warns Not To Strike Syria: US Not Ready, A Fools Errand:
      McCain Calls Dempsey Disingenuous

      September 6, 2013

      This IS the top Dawg,

      I would listen to this guy before i would ever even hear what mccain has to say.

      If he is saying its a bad idea, it is most likely a real bad idea, why dont the bafoons on capitol hill get that?

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      • Them Guys says:

        McSTAINS head is so Deep up Zionist jew ass hes beyond hearing.

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      • Dave in Id says:

        Mc insane? the one who released his bombs on the USS forrestal contributing to the fire they were trying to put out killing many sailors.

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      • braveheart says:

        listen to the pot calling the kettle black. very few people in Dc are not disingenuous. McCain’s dad was the admiral in charge of the coverup over the attack on the USS Liberty. When McCain JR. was a POW in North Vietnam, he sold out countless numbers of fellow POWs to the enemy. McCain doesn’t have the first leg to stand on. braveheart

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    92. Anonymous says:

      I am just a man. I acknowledge the things that are going on around us, amongst us. We are approaching dark times no matter how anyone looks at it, and those who still wear their blinders and refuse to open their eyes are either ignorant, evil, or both. I read almost every article on this site (and many others of the kind) and I read many of the comments. I wait. I wait for the right commenter, the right article, the right spark to ignite a fire in the hearts of each and every one of us who are awake and ready to fight. I wait for the straw to break the camel’s back. But it doesn’t come. I close this site each time with a feeling of disappointment that I didn’t read true inspiration. Then I go on with my life. I go back to work the next day and I continue to spend worthless money and pay my taxes and feed into this system that we all despise.
      I believe that every digital signature that we make is recorded; the things we buy, the people we talk to, and I KNOW that we are all on a list somewhere. They want us living in fear. I am a man of faith and I know that God has a purpose for each and every one of us. I believe it was God who awoke me, just like in his master plan, in the eventual revolution and defeat of the tyrants that are running this country. His plan for me is not to hide among the masses and keep my mouth shut. If they come to black bag me and I die in a gunfight or if they succeed in taking me and I’m interrogated to death, it will be God’s plan and his alone, and I will live my purpose through to the end. Personally I would consider it an honor if it was my death at the hand of our oppressors that fueled a fire that burned this machine to the ground. I doubt that I will be so lucky. We need a voice. We need unity. Here we are in aboard a train we ALL know is going to derail and instead of doing something about it we sit in our seats and talk and debate about what/who has caused this to happen. We need only look in the mirrors. We have nearly an unlimited access to pretty much any information we want, communication around the globe at the touch of our fingers (for the time being). And like I said, I am just a man. To the system, the machine I am an ant. They could fly a drone and blow my ass to high heaven or send a platoon of highly trained operators to my door and gun me down. As one man I cannot even begin to make a dent in this machine, unless I can let my voice be heard and rally the hearts and minds of at least a few. If we don’t unite now, link arms and stand up TOGETHER, then we have wasted precious time, opportunity and resource, and our survival will be all the more difficult when the storm comes (on their terms). We have allowed this too long. We continue to abide tyranny and oppression, right here in The United States of America, the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE! It is time my brothers. Something. Anything. All I know is my life is no life at all when I live it looking over my shoulder and worrying when they will come for me. To those of you reading this that fight for darkness, who cowers behind your computer screen gathering Intel for vermin who are in power, I have one thing for you to pass on: any day, anytime. I’m ready to fight and ready to die. Are you?