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    Investments for Preparedness and Wealth Preservation That Your Financial Adviser Will Never Mention

    Mac Slavo
    March 31st, 2011
    SHTFplan.com
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    For the last several years we’ve been providing our readers with news, commentary, strategies and tips for weathering the economic and political storms sweeping the world.

    As the economy continues to sputter, even two years after the great financial collapse of 2008, many state sponsored media analysts and talking heads would have you believe that we’ve managed to get through the worst of it, and that bright and sunny days are ahead of us.

    While our views have been considered to be pessimistic by some, many others understand that we’re not making these things up, and that our recommended SHTF planning strategies have been grounded in the reality on main street, not the scripted quasi-realities depicted on television.

    Last year, we opined that the current economic and political climates in the United States and abroad demanded a different perspective for those wishing to protect wealth, preserve individual liberty and maintain peace of mind. In Wealth Preservation, Investing, and Prepping For Hard Times (January 2010) we put forth the notion that traditional stock investments, 401K’s and other asset classes recommended by university or workshop trained financial advisers were inadequate for preparing you and your family for the crisis in which we find ourselves today. Among other things, we advised our readers to look seriously at non-traditional, non-mainstream assets like precious metals, food, clothing, and other commodity-tied assets that would sky rocket in price as the dollar lost value and uncertainty in government’s ability to mitigate economic collapse reached a boiling point.

    For those just joining us, the same strategies that applied in the first quarter of 2010 should be closely considered today.

    Jim Sinclair, a precious metals specialist, foreign currency trader and publisher of Jim Sinclair’s Mineset, also agrees with our sentiment, urging his readers to take action immediately if they have the means to do so:

    Truth be told, the major theme of JSMineset has been one of self reliance in a monetary, physical and Emersonian sense. Our focus has been on your assets, your debt positions, legal matters and investment.

    Has Trader Dan not moved from Houston to an undisclosed location in Idaho? I am writing to you from a farm in North Western Connecticut, a rural part of the state. We provide our own water, can provide our own power, have a radio system fallback for communication, satellite phones, furnaces that burn coal or oil, an indoor pistol range that can take up to .50 calibre cartridges into a Detroit bullet trap, perimeter lighting, 16 camera day and night camera security and much more.

    We have focused on conservative financial structures which were in truth taking you into the position of being your own central bank.

    There is one more step that you really need to consider. The housing market is in a black hole from which it very well might not recover for generations. Land is cheap. When homes or small farms have been foreclosed on, resulting in bank owned property, they are sold in a fire sale to buyers with cash in hand.

    Do as I have done. Do as Trader Dan has done.

    I strongly suggest that if you have benefited from JSMineset, as many of you have, consider buying yourself a hobby farm and seriously go for the exercise of self reliance. I am certain that if even to cut costs you are going to need it.

    The financial system is screwed up beyond any repair. On top of that there is no desire to repair anything because the wise guys know it is impossible. It is the world that the flushing of Lehman Bros. has created. It is not a brave new world. It is more like an audition for a world of Mad Max and the Day After.

    It does not matter whether or not there is more QE. The damage is done and there is no solution.

    We want to believe that the corruption in the White House, Wall Street, the Federal Reserve and the halls of our federal and state legislatures will cease, that our leaders and those in control of our policies realize where we’re headed and put a stop to it.

    But given that absolutely nothing has been done to curb the status quo that brought our country to the brink in 2008, we reluctantly remain pessimistic about the state of our union today and for years to come.

    Jim Sinclair describes our sentiment in the most simplest terms possible: “The damage is done and there is no solution.”

    For those who have come to the same conclusion, now is the time to take action.

    While we can’t predict exactly what will happen – slow and drawn out depression, hyperinflation, economic collapse, stagflation, riots – we feel confident suggesting that life in America as we have known it for the last three decades is about to change drastically – in fact, it’s clear that we’re in the process of transformation right now.

    Prices for essential goods will rise. Wages, in terms of real purchasing power, will go down. Taxes will increase across the board in an attempt to counter out of control spending. Government interference in our personal lives, on every level, will expand. Politicians and media will turn the people against each other. Food riots and violence may become commonplace.

    Thing will get worse, much worse, before they get better. Thus far, the effects of the economic paradigm shift taking place have been, for the most part, muted. But this will change. And when it does, you will want to be as far removed as possible.

    While owning stocks, bonds, and other traditional financial investments may remain a part of any growth or retirement portfolio, we urge those concerned with the coming changes to make the necessary changes in their lifestyles to insulate themselves, as much as possible, from the coming storms.

    Today’s savvy investors are planning not just for retirement, but for living in a system that will undoubtedly fail to provide for the millions who have become dependent on easy credit, cheap food and gas, and a government safety net in case things don’t go as planned.

    We believe in maintaining a diversified portfolio, but our definition of diversification, and that of your financial adviser may differ. Here’s where we’re putting our money, time and energy:

    • Invest in precious metals. Yes, we know, you can’t eat them. But so long as gold and silver hold value by central banks in China, India and pretty much everywhere in the world except the USA, there will be a buyer for this asset. As things get worse, prices will go higher, which means that if you need to buy other hard assets, you  may be able to do so by trading in your metals.
    • A farm, ranch. Like Mr. Sinclair and his friends, the Slavo family is getting out of the burbs. While we have come to love the suburban lifestyle in which we all grew up, including the ease of patronizing name brand retail outlets, we prefer to exchange our quarter-acre lot for a larger, more self-reliant compliant property. Larger scale food growth, micro farming and open space, available at cheaper prices when compared to suburban living, is our next destination. While hyperinflation, economic collapse, and city-wide riots are low probability events, being outside of a major metroplex is much better than being smack-dab in the middle of it all. Plus, did we mention the nice, open views of country side or mountain living? For those unable to buy, consider renting. With a three year backlog of inventory, homeowners are willing to work deals. They’ll rent for cheap, lease-to-own, sell without a down payment, and jump through hoops to put you into their property – so getting into the country on a low budget is certainly feasible right now. For those who have made huge gains in gold or silver, maybe trading some of that in for a tax sale property or foreclosure would be a good barter. The point is, there are very cost-effective ways available right now to get out of the city and into a safer, more productive property today.
    • Bulk Food. There’s a reason that the largest freeze dried food manufacturer in the world is unable to keep up with demand. Now, imagine for a second that the even a small percentage of the general population realizes that costs are hyperinflating. Prices will go up that much more, and your local retail outlet may put a limit on how much rice or beans you can buy. This happened in late 2008 at major retailers like Target. And it can certainly happen again. We hear professional traders talk about investing in commodities, and we agree that buying wheat, beans, rice, and other essential goods is a good investment. But where we differ, is that we prefer to hold the physical asset. Using the proper storage techniques, dry grains, milk and other foods can be stored for 20 – 30 years. We’re not suggesting you just buy buckets of rice and throw them in a closet, though. Buy several hundred pounds of food, package them correctly, and rotate them into your food consumption on a regular basis. Rinse and repeat. For those who followed our advice in 2010, you would have saved 40%  – 75% on today’s prices. For those with animals, consider stocking up on feed as well. This strategy will help to not only preserve wealth, but provide an emergency supply of goods in case of a food supply interruption. But something like that can’t happen right? Ask the people in Japan, and you’ll get a starkly different opinion on the matter.
    • Micro farming and Micro Livestock – Animals, Veggies and Fruit. Wifey Slavo is getting a Dexter cow. While we love our organic milk, we’d prefer to have the ability to produce our own on demand. The same goes for chickens, rabbits and goats. You’d be surprised how easily you can establish a small-scale bartering system in your local community or neighborhood. Brother Slavo, who is already setting up the infrastructure at our new homestead, regularly interacts with neighbors, friends and community members, trading everything from tomatoes to fresh eggs. In return, he builds personal relationships with those in the surrounding area, gets fresh produce that we have yet to grow ourselves, and assistance with building out our homesteading infrastructure. You’d be amazed how valuable fresh, organically produced food is and what people are willing to trade for it. Also consider storing some seeds, heirloom variety, just in case. Even if you don’t have the ability to get out to a farm, do what you can at your suburban home or apartment dwelling – there are lots of options available.
    • Alternative Energy. We’re all about alternative energy, just not when it’s mandated on us by government. That’s why our position is that alternative energy should start from the needs of the individual, not the carbon exchange credit system set to make billions when costly laws, taxes and fees are passed by our Congressional representatives. If there’s one thing that will continue to rise in price and lead to economic despair, it’s energy. Oil, coal, electricity – it’s all going to be expensive. That’s why we recommend finding ways to create your own. There’s solar, of course, as well as wind or micro-wind, and hydro if you have running water. Even if you were to take yourself partially off the grid, it’s worth it. Start small, and build from there. Solar systems, especially do-it-yourself systems with the help of neighbors and friends who have already built there own, can be quite cheap and often pay themselves off in a matter of a few years. In addition, building for yourself and continuing to expand may actually put money in your own pocket when you feed power back to the grid. If you don’t have the up front cash to buy a system outright, financing is available – and since we’re talking about an essential good, energy, taking a small loan for such an asset may not be a horrible idea if you can get good terms.
    • Get Skilled. The days of working in cubes (for the most part) are numbered. In the future, if you don’t produce a necessary product or service, you will be obsolete. These jobs, like it or not, are migrating to countries where workers are willing to do the labor for 80% less than Americans. We recommend investing time and energy to acquiring new skills. Physical skills. Welding, machining, carpentry, sewing, installation of alternative energy platforms, farming, raising animals, alcohol distillation, etc. Skills like alternative medicine will be useful as health care becomes rationed. Look to the past, as in the 1800′s and early 1900′s, and you’ll get a good idea of jobs and skills that may pay well in the future.
    • Guns and Ammo. It might sound a little excessive, but the fact of the matter is that guns retain their value for the most part. Ammunition, as we saw in 2008, is subject to supply and demand crunches as well. As metal prices continue to rise, and uncertainty pervades the American psyche, people will continue to stock up. You may very well be able to trade ammunition for cash, silver or other items. The system doesn’t even have to collapse for this. A host of ‘gun trader’ type web sites already have bartering systems in place. Plus, if the worst does happen, and the system goes catatonic, wouldn’t you rather have a few thousand rounds of 7.62×39 than none?
    • Clothes. The CEO of Walmart recently said that inflation is going to affect prices in months to come. If you’ve got kids, purchasing clothes in advance, especially things like socks, underwear, pajamas, jackets, jeans, shoes and shirts may save you money down the road. And again, if the worst were to happen, you’d have apparel for the kids (or for trade) for years ahead. For those who know how to sew, buying fabric now can save hundreds of dollars later.
    • Tools. You can never have too many nails or screws or too much equipment. If you can, start investing in tools that you’ll be using around the house/farm. Everything from standard toolbelt accessories to quality farming equipment like shovels or even a tractor. A close friend recently built his own alcohol still for production of drinking alcohol and ethanol fuel. Like everything else, prices for these types of assets will continue to rise – and in a SHTF scenario, they will become invaluable and highly sought after. If you can, buy two of everything, especially when it comes to food production or raising animals.

    These may not be the investments vehicles of the baby boom generation, but, we’re not living in the boom times of the 20th century anymore.

    There are a host of other investment opportunities out there. Take the time to think about where we’re headed, or might be headed, and make your investment decisions accordingly.

    It’s impossible to predict exactly what to expect. We certainly can’t do it, and neither can your financial adviser or an investment pundit on television. But we can try and plan a strategy that covers most of our bases. While we don’t recommend investing your entire retirement portfolio into the above assets, some diversification is certainly prudent.

    The assets recommended above will come in handy, whether or not a complete and total economic collapse is in our future. If you invest properly, and with forethought, most of the items will not be locked away in a closet for 15 years waiting for disaster. They are investments that can go to work for you right now.

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    1. Man Up says:

      Fellow SHTFners, 

      I came across this and thought I’d share,

      it’s not a full/full list but it’s comprehensive enough for those who need some ideas.


      http://www.preppers.info/Free_Downloads.html
       

    2. Anonymous says:

      The truth suits me fine.

    3. Man Up says:

      I meant to post this link

      http://www.preppers.info/uploads/General_-_General_Supplies.pdf
      though the other one is helpful too!
       

    4. MAC,
      Is the email notification thingy that was an absolute charm, ever coming back??
       
      Thanks

    5. durango kidd says:

      Good advice Mac. I was hitting Harbor Freight and Home Depot for tools last night!

    6. Anonymous says:

      I communicate with my horn every day in traffic along with select fingers, but only if you’re stupid or driving in the left lane slowly with a handicap placard from NY to Miami.  Once in Italy, always a little Italian.  I’ll smell the roses at “home sweet home”.  My mirrors are folded in also. 

    7. Preach it, Mac! Said much the same on our blog today.

    8. TnAndy says:

      Most financial advisors don’t know their backside from a hole in the ground.  They simply spout whatever the company has to sell to make them the most commission.  I’ve dealt with several over the years, and kid throwing darts at a dartboard with stock names on it  has about the same chance of telling you what the market is going to do.
      .
      Mac, you’re certainly going the right path, IMHO.  Your wife will love Dexters…..they are really easy going breed.  I have a bull with horns that would scare the whiz out of me on any other breed, and he is a big baby.
      .
      Everybody is going to suffer in what is coming, but the ones that will fare the best are those who have some control over their food, water, energy and land.  And that ISN’T the folks in towns, despite the picture Kunsler likes to paint in World Made By Hand.

    9. NMCB3 says:

      Times are going to be tough for everyone no matter where you live. In Argentina during their currency collapse rural residents were prayed upon heavily by armed gangs. Because they were so remote they were easy targets. People in the cities and suburbs at least had neighbors that could watch out for one another. Life just isn`t that simple.

    10. Anonymous says:

      Depends on how you sight in NewMexicoChemicalBthreedollarbill.

    11. Anonymous says:

      What is a Detroit bullet trap?  Is that what I think it is?  Black powder or rifle powder? 

    12. JANE says:

      Yeah, that’s a great suggestion a little farm in the country while you can because the price is still cheap. I would love to do that but I just can’t.

    13. mushroom says:

      good ideas

      buy silver, AGQ, AG, GPL

      i just made a list of things i’m been thinking about……………..

      federal reserve

      more wars

      false flag event(s)

      (hyper)inflation esp in areas not neutralized by
      deflation i.e., food, fuel

      job outsourcing, insourcing

      economic changes happening very suddenly 

      currency collapse

      loss of american reserve currency status

      problem complexes secondary to kukushima

      creation of SDR’s

      creation of plastic card “currency”

      value added tax

      end of “quantitative easing” market, social collapse

      credit cards frozen 

      law changes, confiscations

      changes in social security, medicare, food stamp and other
      social safety networks.

      substandard american education

      substandard american healthcare

      other than these everythings seems fine

      /s/mushroom

       
       

    14. JANE says:


      I like your banner. I am so disappointed with our government system, today I heard from Oreilly Factor that General Electric (GE) earned seven (7) Billion dollars last year, and didn’t pay taxes – I mean zero taxes, wow!

      ___________________________

      No kidding General Electric’s CEO also campaigned for Obama during the last presidential election of 2008.  Now we all know why all the past and recent mandates and exchanges for the old incandescent for the new GE fluorescent.  

      Guess who paid for all that?? Taxpayers of course.

    15. JANE says:

      Oreilly also said GE laid off 23,000 employees in the U.S. and most of their products are now made overseas. 

      How corrupt can you get????

    16. caryn says:

      Comments…..even if i have to use candles to read by…i will be boycotting anything and everything made by g.e….and walmart-well, just about everything they sell is made in china so when they increase the prices we know where those increases are going…so i boycott them as well. matter of fact,  even though new balance shoes are produced in usa, they are produced using imported products….need i say more? be as self sustaining as you can be and give every effort to support usa workers and usa made products. if you cannot buy it, then around here we make it ourselves or do without.

    17. NMCB3 says:

      I buy goods at stores where my money goes the furthest. I work too hard for my money just to spend it on over priced merchandise thats made by over paid, spoiled, whiny Americans. Not to mention overpaid whiny American union workers that are milking their companies dry. The flag sticker on the box just doesn’t cut it anymore. And I`ll take a light bulb over a candle any day.

    18. REB says:

      Sure isnt that way here…..land has continued to increase in price around here because people from urban areas 150 miles away are buying up the farms and camps/hunting land…..that and the banks ARE NOT loaning in most cases especially for land,and real estate tax evaluations continue to creep up….could be just a local problem but I doubt it as I have talked to others in other areas who tell me they notice the same trends….just my observation.

    19. durango kidd says:

      12 oz, 100% araibaca instant coffee at Wal Mart for $5.68. All of you barterers should load up!!!

    20. SmokyMtnLady says:

      Reb, mind me asking where “here” is?…don’t have to name your town…just a general area… :)
      Immelt, Obama, Soros…all in the same bed together!!

    21. Anonymous says:

      “today I heard from Oreilly Factor that General Electric (GE) earned seven (7) Billion dollars last year, and didn’t pay taxes – I mean zero taxes, wow!”
      .

      News flash, Jane:  Companies don’t pay taxes, people pay taxes.
      Any tax paid by a company is simply added to the price of the product and paid by the consumer of the product
      OR
      In the case of corporate income taxes, the shareholders get screwed twice….once when the profits that are their get taxed before they get them, and then again when they pay them on the personal level.
      .
      Taxes on businesses, for the most part, are simply a game the politicians play to distract YOU from recognizing you are paying a LOT more hidden tax.  It’s not only total BS, but the effect is to drive companies to lower taxed places TAKING JOBS WITH THEM.

    22. TnAndy says:

      “today I heard from Oreilly Factor that General Electric (GE) earned seven (7) Billion dollars last year, and didn’t pay taxes – I mean zero taxes, wow!”
      .

      News flash, Jane:  Companies don’t pay taxes, people pay taxes.
      Any tax paid by a company is simply added to the price of the product and paid by the consumer of the product
      OR
      In the case of corporate income taxes, the shareholders get screwed twice….once when the profits that are their get taxed before they get them, and then again when they pay them on the personal level.
      .
      Taxes on businesses, for the most part, are simply a game the politicians play to distract YOU from recognizing you are paying a LOT more hidden tax.  It’s not only total BS, but the effect is to drive companies to lower taxed places TAKING JOBS WITH THEM.

    23. TnAndy says:

      Case in point:
      .
      The chairman and CEO of Peoria-based Caterpillar Inc. is raising the specter of moving the heavy equipment maker out of Illinois.


      In a letter sent March 21 to Gov. Pat Quinn, Caterpillar chief executive officer Doug Oberhelman said officials in at least four other states have approached the company about relocating since Illinois raised its income tax in January.

    24. Anonymous says:

      You’re up late Tn.  I almost never sleep.  You speak the truth.  GE says they lost money the last two years is why they didn’t pay any taxes.  Two step.  Inflation is growling.  Any potatoes in the ground yet?  Won’t be long and you will be adjusting your road in.

    25. AZ Ready says:

      @Jane, Tn is correct. As a business owner I can tell you that whenever we have a tax increase or the cost of goods or services rise, that cost is passed along to the consumer with higher prices for our products in the store. Just the way it is. So in reality, a business never pays taxes, you do.

      I believe many would love to do what is suggested here, but the reality of the matter is most cannot. Moving from the burbs to the country may sound great to some, but most don’t want to give up the lifestyle they are accustom to. Believe me I know. In the early 80′s I moved from the LA area to a town of 1300. Quit an adjustment that many would have a hard time with. Today I live in an extremely rural area 140 miles to the next closest city and although I feel “safer” here than anywhere else, we will still have our problems. Just do your prepping, watch the signs around you and be ready. I hope it never happens but I do live in the real world!

    26. I agree with the poster about rural land not being cheap. I wish it was! Here in north Texas it’s selling for $8,000 to $10,000 an acre.

    27. The CEO of Catepillar, like Jamie Dimon and Ben Bernanke, is a FINANCIAL TERRORIST.
      Crash JP Morgan – Buy Silver!

    28. JANE says:

      AZ Ready, It seems that I taught you well, you said what I said about adding costs to the products and passing it on to consumers.  Here’s what I said in the past: 

      JANE March 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

      Dboy said:  “Meaning that US wages will go down and Chinese wages will go up.”


      FALSE: When Unions bargained, they demand higher wages, more benefits, and they add costs to companies and drive product costs higher than the foreign competitors.


      SOURCE – Greta Van Susteren:
      Unions demand Viagra for teachers, higher retirement pay for Union leaders – some get up to 90% of their wages when they retire.

      Detroit and the Death Throes of Socialism
      http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/detroit-and-the-death-throes-of-socialism_03252011

      I was only talked about liberal frivolous mandates and higher taxes, but you think if GE does not pay tax on 7 BILLION dollars it’s a way for GE to keep product costs down.  Everyone is paying taxes, and GE should not be an exception. 

      BESIDES THE 7 BILLION DOLLARS THEY KEEP TO THEMSELVE AS A PROFIT, THAT’S FRAUD.

       

    29. JANE says:

      AZ Ready

      You must be a complete idiot.  Im talking about apples and you’re talking about oranges. 

      1.  Did you cheat on 7 Billion dollars by not paying any taxes on it last year? At the same time GE received billions in bailout money.

      2.  The worst year in many decades, GE earned a big profit of 7 billions in 2010 and taxpayers have to pay for GE’s light bulb swap and other gimmick programs.  
      _________________________

      Idiot, GE keeps the 7 billion for themselves.  Donald Trump also owns businesses and he said he paid 40% taxes on his income, listen to his videos for yourself. 

      I hope I opened your eyes.  Carefully read my postings again and see for yourself.

    30. SmokinOkie says:

      The article mentioned a “Detroit bullet trap” then a commenter asked what that is. Not really sure but I do know that DETROIT BULLET TRAP would be an awesome name for a rock band. Or a porno movie…I mean, think about it.

      Seriously though, a bullet trap is just what the name implies. It’s a sturdy metal “box”, placed just behind the target. Usually has one or more metal plates inside to catch or deflect bullets and the box is designed so that they can’t ricochet out. Detroit is a brand name for them. your welcome. and ‘scuse me if somebody’s already answered this.

    31. JANE says:

      Anonymous said:

      “GE says they lost money the last two years is why they didn’t pay any taxes.”

      When all the jobs have been lost and businesses have gone, certain crises are happening around the world. 

      Except liberal corporations such as GE which earned 7 Billion in 2010 at home and 9 Billion overseas in profit and you called this “Lost Money”??? You can’t claim a loss every year and continues to do business overseas for decades. 

      Then again you’re here to defend Ben Shalom Bernanke, JP Morgan Chase, Clinton and now GE – You come out immediately defending liberals every time – Go figure. 

      I and many others want to read other good comments which you and your people buried so quickly, very frustrating.

    32. JANE says:

      News flash, TnAndy:
      Ron Paul’s new poll rating is less than 2%.  Are you still voting for him and want to be a looser.

      You told Mac’s audience until the government fixes the voting system, then don’t vote. 

      If voters do not participate then the government would fix the voting system. 
      _____________________

      What a tactic!! You want conservatives to stay home and then Dems will vote for liberals and Dems will win again.

      What a sneaky tactic!!!
       

       

    33. REB says:

      SmokyMtnLady ……in some hills south of one of the Great lakes…. :)

    34. fabian says:

      You want to prepare for hell, just guns and ammo and 5 days of food and water. You’ll be able to wait for things to clear up quietly and defend yourself. The premises of this article is that civilization and knowledge will disappear. It will not, I don’t buy the Mad Max scenario and if Mad Max becomes true the only thing will be guns and ammo and how to use it anyway.

    35. Suzy says:

      I’ve seen lots of guides that say “Step One: Get out of debt.” Ok, I will. See you in 25yrs when my mortgage is paid off, then we’ll go to Step Two. Steps two – ten are usually preps of various types. I can do those to some small degree, but the list of what one “really” (really) needs to be totally self sufficient are beyond my means for at least the next 5yrs or so.

      I am left with trying to analyse needs, by probability that “thing” will become unavailable. That’s what everyone does, I’m sure. Calmly and cooly and without much analysis. I’m doing it now, with the fervour of someone in one of those movies where money is falling from a tall building like ticker tape, and people are scrambling to stuff it into their shirts. Will I need this? Will I? Can I get it in time? Because if I spend $x on something else, I can’t buy this….?

      I know: Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. It doesn’t lead to any more peaceful sleep, though.

    36. Mike L says:

      @Jane – I think the anonymous poster that said GE lost money the last two years was referring to their tax filings for those years.  They can use those losses to offset this years gains.  Its the US governments wonderful ways.
       
      @General:
      GE has lost money for the last 30 years.  They borrow every year to cover their expenses.  They are one of the worst run companies in the world.  They’re a smaller version of the US government.  Borrow today to pay for yesterday.  Retards run GE.  Last time (last year) I looked at their SEC filings I felt ill.
       
      As a business owner I can say whenever my taxes or product costs go up it doesn’t really matter to me (I’m not happy cause my customers won’t be) I just tack on 30-50% and tell them the truth.  It sucks but that is life.
       
      As for Walmart, Target is cheaper anyways I find.  But I go for the best price.  Shotgun shells are cheaper there then anywhere else I can find.  I work hard for my money as I am sure most people do, but I throw it away supporting any American company.  If it’s a good company I will go out of my way to help them if it’s a product I need.  But just because they’re American doesn’t mean they should automatically get our support.

    37. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie!
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue Cop with my .45 semi-auto black glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I deserve more  than this… now I live beneath a bridge… why? why? why?
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Gaurdian of Liberty… now a cop killer?  Running from the Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president Barack Obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped my Social Security check the other day… on april 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! And We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the screaming korean clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex neighbors kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a craze… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shoved both gleefully in my mouth… I had gotten away … then I sweared “shit!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… and taken more, more, more…
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… I’m screwed now… an NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE HELL OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “FUCK IT!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop  isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Fuckers did this to me”… I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out boots upon cold concrete… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue patrol car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO Camo Combat Gear, with U.N. Sky Blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent child in me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found stone cold cop killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      There I stood astride my pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING red hole that had been a human face.
      Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!”
       
      author after note: Wake up America, there are foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER U.N. NAFTA FEMA DHS-UNITED NATIONS CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to disarm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their one world government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       
       
       

    38. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie!
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop with my .45 semi-auto black glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I live by the river beneath a bridge… I deserve more  than this… why? why? why?
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Guardian of Liberty… now a cop killer?  Running from the Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president Barack Obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped canceled my Social Security check the other day… on april 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I murdered killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the screaming korean clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex asshole neighbor kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a crazed manic flight… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shoved both gleefully in my hungry mouth… I had gotten away … then I swore… “shit!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… acted like a greedy Banker and taken more, more, more…
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… an A.P.B. an All Points Bulletin – had gone out – “All Patrols Be On The Look Out for a Crazed Bearded Hobo Bum, Riding a Stolen Hot Pink Huffy Bike Down Main Street!”; I’m screwed now… a NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE HELL OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “FUCK IT!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop  isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Fuckers did this to me”… I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out combat boots upon cool concrete of the street… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed and leveled it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue patrol car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO Camo Combat Gear, with U.N. Sky Blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent child in me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found Stone Cold Cop Killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… I emptied the clip right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      Empty inside… now that I had unleashed all my NWO New World Order – Bilderberg Debt Slave Hate!
      There I stood astride my stolen pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING cavernous blood red hole that had been, Officer Friendly’s Red Raging New World Order U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Face.
      There I stood… Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!
       
      author after note:
      { There are over 600,000 unemployed war trained experienced Homeless poor starving Veterans just like our “hero” above walking thru your yards and living in the woods of your neighborhoods!} Just think about that for a moment America… there are more Veterans joining our ranks every day from the Illegal NWO Global Domination Wars and Economic Debt Slave War here in America. JUST PAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE!  Scary???? Maybe a little.
      Wake up America, there are 1 million – 1,000,000 foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will crash the dollar, invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      AMERICA IS A LIE owned controled by The Bank Of England!
      YOU ARE NOT FREE!
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER FEMA, DHS, NAFTA -UNITED NATIONS blue CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to DisArm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their nwo one world IMF WORLD BANK government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       
       
       

    39. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie…
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop with my .45 semi-auto black Glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I live by the river beneath a bridge… I deserve better than this… tsk, tsk, tsk…
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Guardian of Liberty… and after a fall… now a Stone Cold Cop Killer?  Running from the Ameri’kan Fascist Traitorous Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president barack obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped canceled my social security check the other day… on APRIL 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I Murdered Killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the Screaming Korean Clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex Asshole Neighbor kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a crazed manic flight… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shovin’ an munchin both in a hunger frenzy… my adrenaline and sugar high now kicking me into Over-Drive… I had gotten away … then I swore… “SHIT!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought to myself; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… acted like a greedy slimy Banker whore and taken more, more, more… for you see – IT’s ALL ABOUT ME! When I’m HUNGRY!
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… an A.P.B. an All Points Bulletin – had gone out – “All Patrols Be On The Look Out for a Crazed Bearded Hobo Bum, Riding a Stolen Hot Pink Huffy Bike Down Main Street!”; I’m screwed now… a NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE FUCK OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “Screw It!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Greedy Banker Fuckers did this to me!”… “It is either Him or Me!” I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out combat boots upon the cool concrete of the street… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 Glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed and leveled it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Patrol Car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO camo green Combat Gear, with U.N. sky blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal alien false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent curious child side of me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found grown up tired Stone Cold Cop Killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… It was HIM or ME you MUST see… I emptied the entire clip right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      Empty inside… now that I had unleashed all my NWO New World Order – Bilderberg Debt Slave Hate!
      There I stood astride my stolen pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING cavernous blood red hole that had been, Officer Friendly’s Red Raging New World Order U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Face.
      There I stood… Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!”
       
      author after note:
      -Property of TekRoanin – final draft – a living work in progress – share with all pls – I encourage all Veterans to use this story poem as a template and tell us their own story – write their own and post on the web so they may be heard – dtp.
      { There are over 600,000 unemployed war trained experienced Homeless poor starving Veterans just like our “hero” above walking thru your yards and living in the woods of your neighborhoods!} Just think about that for a moment America… there are more Veterans joining our ranks every day from the Illegal NWO Global Domination Wars and Economic Debt Slave War here in America. JUST PAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE!  Scary???? Maybe a little.
      Wake up America, there are 1 million – 1,000,000 foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will crash the dollar, invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      AMERICA IS A LIE owned controled by the family Rothschilds – The Bank Of England!
      YOU ARE NOT FREE! You are DEBT SLAVES!
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER FEMA, DHS, NAFTA -UNITED NATIONS blue CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to DisArm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their nwo one world IMF WORLD BANK government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       

    40. JANE says:

      Mike L :  Now you see, here another one of your posting, and I did not repsond to it because of who you are working for. 

      Mike L April 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
      @Jane – I think the anonymous poster that said GE lost money the last two years was referring to their tax filings for those years.  They can use those losses to offset this years gains.  Its the US governments wonderful ways.
      ____________________________

      Although I have responded to anonymous, your member.
      Anonymous said: “GE says they lost money the last two years is why they didn’t pay any taxes.”
       
      When all the jobs have been lost and businesses have gone, certain crises are happening around the world. 
      Except liberal corporations such as GE which earned 7 Billion in 2010 at home and 9 Billion in profit overseas (according to Bill O’reilly on the next day’s episode), and you called this “Lost Money”??? You can’t claim a loss every year and continue to do business overseas for decades. 
      Then again you’re here to defend Ben Shalom Bernanke, JP Morgan Chase, Clinton and now GE – You come out immediately defending liberals every time – Go figure. 
      I and many others want to read other good comments which you and your people buried so quickly, very frustrating.

      Note: From the headline news (watch Mac’s videos and Bill Oreilly show.)
      ________________________

      MAC, PLEASE HAVE MIKE L STOP SENDING HIS POSTING TO ME.

    41. Mike L says:

      @Jane – You continuously misquote me, every single time.  But I guess when YOU put works in MY mouth you can make yourself look good.  Please, find ONE instance of me defending Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve is an illegal corporation that does NOT file any records with the IRS nor does it pay any taxes, and you’re worried about GE and its 7 billion, the Federal Reserves makes hundreds of billions in interest per year.  JP Morgan?  I said to buy silver to crash JP Morgan, but nice lie Jane.  Geezous already Jane, figure it out.  I cannot “send you my posting” its posted so EVERYONE can see it.  Do you understand how a forum works?  It’s not like I’m sending it privately to you, its not possible on these forums.
       
      I was trying, though its futile to teach you anything you’re so closed minded and ignorant, that GE used its previous years losses to offset this years gains.  Just because Bill O’Reilly doesn’t understand this simple fact doesn’t make his statement correct.  This is simple taxes in the USA.  If you don’t understand it, don’t comment on it.  They can write off 5 years of losses against future gains.  If you look at their PUBLICLY filed SEC records you can see for yourself their decade after decade of losses for yourself (though you never will, you might learn something).
       
      I never thought anyone could be so clueless and so vocal, I’ve been corrected.  Wow.  I know I said I wouldn’t send anymore offensive messages but wow.  Almost makes one want to bang his head against the wall to stop the pain that is Jane (oh a free rhyme lol)

    42. JANE says:

      These days the headlines are all about oil, consolidation of oil fields and location of oil.
       
      I am not sure this article is correct, and I’ve not read thoroughly.  But it tells you where the U.S. invests money in oil fields, and is the biggest speculator of oil stocks.  Oil prices are affecting our economy and our daily lives.  So check it out and see if it’s true or not. 
       
      From rumormillnews dot com, posted on Nov 29, 2010 by CBS writer, Steve Kroft. 
      Article: The Most Evil Man in the World is NOT George Bush or Back Obama  This needs to be read by everyone in this country, especially members of Congress.

      ______________________

      ““  But what about America ? Soros told Australia ‘s national newspaper “The Australian”
      America , as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about..
      .
      Soros: “World financial crisis was” stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”
      .

      Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil, came shortly after his financial backer George Soros invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras).
      .
      Tait Trussel writes, “The Petrobras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil , but it is a bad deal for the U.S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U.S. could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independance.”
      .
      In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds.
      A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch.com. This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor; that justice will be served. ””

      .

    43. JANE says:

      I can’t believe that anyone who would call himself intelligent and open minded, and then made stupid mistakes, and allow people to use that against him.  And the list is just goes on and on ……

    44. JANE says:

      1. This is what Mike L said, “I was trying, though its futile to teach you anything you’re so closed minded and ignorant, that GE used its previous years losses to offset this years gains.” 

      But
      let me tell you Mike, GE can claim 100%, a total loss. The most GE would be allowed to pay is  NO TAXES, and write it off for that year.  Income tax is not a refund for 100% of your loses or even allowing you to receive another 7 billion in cash bailout money.  But it looks that way for GE, doesn’t it?
      .
      2. This is simple taxes in the USA.  If you don’t understand it, don’t comment on it. 

      It’s very simple, but you still don’t get it, how foolish. Take your own advice, don’t comment on something you don’t understand and stop lying because you get caught every single time you do.
      .
      3.  Just because Bill O’Reilly doesn’t understand this simple fact doesn’t make his statement correct. 
      It’s proven you were continuously lying & being stupid.  If you lie, then you continue spreading lies and name-calling to discredit Bill Oreilly and me.
      .
      4.  GE has overseas operations and makes Billions each year. 

      A.  How could a company that lost money for decades still be in business??? 

      B. According to you, the IRS allowed GE to claim A TOTAL LOSES every year, “for their decade after decade”, but no one else.  Hmmm, a double standard again. 

      C. Your congressman, Charlie Rangle (D) has been in charge of making tax laws for decades.

     
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