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    Freeze Dried Food Distributor: Six Month Wait Time Amid Extreme Shortages

    Mac Slavo
    April 5th, 2011
    SHTFplan.com
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    If there was ever a sentiment indicator for economic uncertainty and fear, this would be it.

    As of April 2011, major distributors of freeze dried food, namely the Mountain House brand, are indicating that shoppers should expect delays of  nearly six months on any orders placed today:

    ***CURRENT INVENTORY UPDATE AS OF 04/05/11*** All Mountain House & Nitro-Pak food storage #10 cans are in EXTREMELY HIGH DEMAND due to national & world current economic uncertainty and inflation fears. With this increase in demand, our food order processing times have greatly increased also. As Mountain House’s leading distributor, we are receiving HUGE shipments WEEKLY to fill our customer orders, but demand exceeds the available supply. Most Mountain House dealers have been been cut off & receive no food, period. Supplies are VERY SCARCE. Like Disneyland, the line is long but still slowly moving. Please be patient. This is a line you do not want to get out of!

    All canned food orders and units may take up to 160 days to ship. Thank you for your business!

    Source: Nitro-Pak

    Other large distributors we contacted indicated similar shipping delays, with many simply marking their freeze dried food inventory as completely “out of stock.”

    Mountain House has advised they are expanding their production facilities, but this upgrade will not be completed until the third of fourth quarter of 2011.

    When we first covered the shortages of freeze dried food in December of 2010, a spokesperson for Mountain House, the largest freeze dried food manufacturer in the world, indicated that they were estimating the shortage to abate by February or March of 2011. In February, we received an update from Mountain House, which further pushed out the availability date to the Summer of 2011, and feedback from the largest freeze dried food distributors indicated shipping delays of 30 – 60 days. This most recent alert suggests that while freeze dried food manufacturers are working round the clock, demand for emergency supplies continues to sky rocket at an unmanageable pace.

    Economic uncertainty, fear of inflation, government policies, natural disasters and the mysteries surrounding the 2012 doomsday date have been cited as the primary reasons for the parabolic spike in demand over the course of the last six months.

    Because there will likely be no relief for any of those fears in the near future, we suggest to our readers that demand will continue to increase well into 2012, and question whether the new facilities being built for freeze dried food production will be enough to offset demand. As more people come to the realization that things may not be exactly as they seem, further demand will likely flood the market going forward.

    Due to the uncertainty in the freeze dried food market, those concerned with acquiring quality, long-term food storage should consider and act on other options.

    As we’ve suggested previously, dehydrated foods and MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat) are one option that remains available at major emergency food distributors. The other options would be to self-stock and package dry goods, like the 11 Emergency Food items that can last a lifetime, including wheat, rice and beans. Most have a shelf life of 20 – 30 years and provide a well balanced, nutritious diet in the event of an emergency, widespread disaster or protracted crisis.

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    Author: Mac Slavo
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    Date: April 5th, 2011
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    1. NMCB3 says:

      Well as of now the grocery stores still have food. Sore what you eat and eat what you store has always been the smart strategy. Some freeze dried stuff mixed in is good but I wouldn’t want to eat that stuff every day, too much salt.

    2. cshellz says:

      I realize that the on-line stores are out but you might try the locals. My local sports shop has shelves of everything freeze dried from  Mountain house including freeze dried ice cream (blech). Personally I liked dehydrated better because I did it myself and know where it came from and what went into production.

    3. wheedle says:

      I believe the fear of radioactive food ending up on American dinner tables has a lot to do with the recent spike in freeze dried foods.
      In my area places like Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shop, Walmart, and some back packing/kayak stores have freeze dried foods. But any canned food with a long shelf life is better than nothing. The real panic buying will occur when the sheeple stampede.
      Good Luck To All

    4. RachelMcW says:

      We ordered the 6 month supply at a special price from http://www.shelfreliancesanantonio.com. Shipping was really fast – about 2-3 weeks. We are getting almost everything from them now. The food tasts great!

    5. I agree with cshellz.  I recently went to costco and they were selling freeze dried food in bulk.  There was plenty for people to fill their carts up with.  If the online companies are out, check at the super stores like costco and sams.

    6. Anonymous says:

      Military MRE’s are available everyday at the commissary where I shop.  Less than $7 for the good ones.  Little tabasco bottle or A1, skittles/M&M’s & heater.  Apple smoked filet mignon is best.  The sushi steaks even have chop sticks with soy.

    7. JANE says:

      Great advice Tess. 
      Would anyone know how long rice will last if we leave it in the bag, the way it was purchased?

      Would anyone know how long rice will last if we put 2/3 of the bag in a bucket.  Because the entire bag does not fit in the bucket?


      I prefer rice over beans, because it takes less than 15 minutes to cook, and beans take much longer and it’s not efficient in an emergency. 

      Rice from India doesn’t taste that good, that’s why it’s so cheap.  I would rather pay a little bit more and taste very good alone.  You should try a small bag before buy a large one, because I’ve thrown some away because they don’t taste good.
       

    8. AZ Ready says:

      If you want freeze dried, go to the Costco online store. They have a deal running right now.

    9. Ray says:

      Mountain House is not the only distributor of freeze-dried foods.  There are others as well.

    10. NeoIsolationist says:

      Hey, Jane. I bought about 400 pounds of rice back in November. Just stuffed them in a closet. This past weekend I put them all in 5 gallon buckets with metallized liners. Everything was in perfect condition and that was 6 months.

      bucket: http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_MS%20C101_A_name_E_5-Gallon%20Bucket%20with%20Lid

      metallized liner: http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_ZA%20B105_A_name_E_Metallized+Liner+for+Buckets

      These guys are pretty good, and each bucket looks like it can store about 35-40 pounds of rice. Good luck.

    11. Mike L says:

      @Jane, put it in mylar bags (I do 5lbs per bag) and add in oxygen absorbers.  Then store it at a constant temp of around 65f and it should last 20 years before it discolors (still edible).
       
      As for beans, you cannot just eat rice.  Soak beans 24hrs in plain cold water then they cook just as fast as rice.  I got pinto beans from Safeway today (last day they’re on sale, 20# bag was $9.99, half price).
       
      I only have rice from the US, cali to be specific.  I don’t want lead water rice from Asia or India 😉

    12. Cindy says:

      RachelMcW:  Why do you continue to advertise links for that particular independent representative of Thrive?  Is that your consultant account?  I don’t particularly like Thrive as much as some of the other brands.  It’s too expensive for the quality.  I guess that’s what happens when we have to pay consultants’ commissions.

    13. SSPXER says:

      Comments…..

         Well, I know this much: I ordered 5 5-Gal buckets from USA Emergency Supply, and it took them a month to get those to me (whereas 6 months ago it was only taking a week).

         They claimed they were having trouble keeping up with demand.

         In other words, it ain’t just the freeze dried foods that are flying out the door at an unreplenishable pace.

         This makes me think that ordering any sort of food/water/storage products on-line is becomming a risky investment (i.e., No guarantee you are ever going to get your stuff).

         Glad I planned ahead, and don’t have to start now, at this late point.

         I think the best advice for people at this late juncture would be to start with canned goods from the grocery store.

         Then move on to the Mormon home food storage depot in your town (go to providentliving.org to get addresses), so you can take delivery immediately.

         Then after you have the basics, see if you can still get any food grade buckets and mylar bags.  

         If not, at least you will have something.

    14. Dave says:

      I already have quite a bit of stored Mountain house food, but if need be, you can always get to the store the moment that a US carrier is sunk by a Chinese ship or sub.
      Any major attack on a US ship may mean the beginning of an EMP or worse, so remember, if you see a carrier sunk, get to the store for canned goods!

    15. Dave that is one of the best things to look for I have seen. If China sinks a carrier run for the exits we are in deep trouble…

    16. Anonymous says:

      It’s amazing how bad things are getting, and you have a lot of people that just don’t get it. It’s like their minds can only run on one track at one speed.

      Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org ) 
      FIGHT THE CAUSE – NOT THE SYMPTOM
      OsiXs (Revolution 2.0)

    17. Anonymous says:

      I agree Dave but you know what is underneath every one of them.  SSN

    18. caryn says:

      Comments…..big buckets and barrels for food storage are fine and dandy to have…but i personally prefer using mylar bags and large metal or plastic coffee cans as well as other tins and canning jars…why? because it is alot easier to prepare a meal without having to open any container that contains mass quantities. plus, home canned foods are already cooked and can be eaten right out of the jar if need be..and i also prefer dehydrated foods over freeze dried…cost and being able to diy being major factors.  right now in n.e.miss. strawberries are the deal of the week…buy alot of ’em and process for canning, drying or freezing. each week, find a deal and then deal with it..last week it was carrots. don’t forget that alot of those 6-10 lb cans of tomatoes, etc…can be reprocessed and stored in smaller containers plus they are cheaper to buy too.

    19. GA Mom says:

      People are starting to wake up.  I go regularly to my local LDS Cannery.  Was told this week that it is now closed to non-members (you can get in with a church member so I’ll have to ask one of my neighbors in the future).

      They are about 10 times as busy as they had been just 8 weeks ago.  Their wonderful volunteers are overworked & overwhelmed. They told me that everyone coming in is very, very worried.

      They’ve raised prices about 3-4 times in the last year.  The latest one this week – a 12% overall increase.

      We’ve stored LDS products, Sam’s stuff, canned stuff, dry goods, water, freeze dried items, soap/hygiene products, plenty of ammo, basically a huge variety.  Diversity is key.  And don’t forget some “comfort” foods if you have kids & grandkids.  They are the real tragedy if all this goes down.   It breaks my heart just thinking about it.

      Mountain House definitely isn’t the only supplier but they are all running short. 

    20. Terry says:

         I think the point about availability of fuel for cooking is quite valid, and time may be short in the early days following a major crisis.
         It is far from the best, but Minute Rice can be made edible very quickly. It is quite expensive if a large quantity is needed, but I am told that it has been pre-cooked and dried. Think of this as prepaying for cooking fuel.

    21. JANE says:

      Dave, anything can happen. When this thing happened, we needed to find out how it happened and who would benefit from the disaster? The more educated you are, the more you see how some theories are just impossible. 

      At the moment, China has a lot more to benefit and is very busy producing products for us; while America produces almost nothing. Based on several recent events, I know China is not ready to attack America by itself.  
      _______________________________

      1. Our aircraft carriers can shoot down any threats before they hit their targets.  Don’t forget the USA can destroy 10 times more than any of its enemies can before they can retaliate …. including the cavemen.  We spent 100 times more than any other country on defense systems.

      2. Regarding about EMP, the U.S. has 100 times more capability than China.  We have always had the best and most gifted designers, engineers, and specialists from all over the world.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

    22. mushroom says:

      mcdonalds will never close. repeat. never close…

    23. JANE says:

      Mike, unless it’s a toy item, then you can specifically request compositions of a product, including lead. 

      Mike, think about it, when large rice fields are harvested and distributed inside the country FIRST, the extra is eligible for export. They could not get away with adding lead even if they wanted to.  You need to do some more research.  You are a handful, but thank you any way.

    24. crash and burn says:

      ive been prepping for about 4 months and have told friends and relatives to do the same. some are but most arent……so what do you do when the SHTF and they come to you for help? i cant prep for everyone…..i guess there would be a pecking order…..my kids first then mom,dad, brother sisters then so on.

    25. Prepper says:

      Here is our U.S. supplier of organic brown rice and other organic grains. They ship it to us in 25 pound bags which we repackage for long-term storage. (5 gallon pails, Mylar bags, nitrogen flush) They charge us $18 per bag when we buy it by the ton.

      It’s pretty cheap insurance to have a thousand pounds of rice around. Check them out.
      http://www.grainplacefoods.com

    26. juls says:

      Comments…..
      In response to the recent concern of FEMA purchasing Mountain House products:
      FEMA posted the following RFI (Request for Information) on 1-20-2011. In the RFI, FEMA was asking for information for 14M/day for 10 days. They then withdrew the RFI on 1-27-11. The RFI is a request for information only. It is not an order. In addition, this RFI was never sent to Mountain House. This is to confirm that Mountain House is not supplying FEMA or any other Government agency with Mountain House #10 cans or pouches.
      The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) procures and stores pre-packaged commercial meals to support readiness capability for immediate distribution to disaster survivors routinely. The purpose of this Request for Information is to identify sources of supply for meals in support of disaster relief efforts based on a catastrophic disaster event within the New Madrid Fault System for a survivor population of 7M to be utilized for the sustainment of life during a 10-day period of operations.
      As you know we have removed #10 cans from our website temporarily. The reason for this is sales of #10 cans have continued to increase. OFD is allocating as much production capacity as possible to this market segment, but we must maintain capacity for our other market segments as well.
      Currently our inventory for both cans and pouches is all being shipped to our retailers. Once all of our retailers are back in stock 100%, we will put items back in stock on our own website. For our #10 cans, we do have a small number of dealers that you can contact for future ordering of our food storage items. Although they are not taking any orders at this time, we do suggest you contact them to see how you can be notified as soon as they are in a position to once again accept new orders. For a list of those dealers, please contact us at MH-Info@ofd.com
      We expect this situation to be necessary for several months although this isn’t a guarantee. We will update this information as soon as we know more. We apologize for this inconvenience and appreciate your patience. We sincerely hope you will continue to be Mountain House customers in the future.

    27. REB says:

      Am not familiar with Costco or LDS canneries so I looked into it…there are none within 150 miles of here, Costco sounds interesting…oh well done fine so far without them 🙂

    28. TaxedEnuff says:

      For the record, Sam’s Club sells the Augason Farms brand of dehydrated and freeze dried foods through their website. I ordered a few items about a month ago since beprepared.com has been out of stock or back ordered on almost everything for months now. I was pleased with the low competitiveprices/, low shipping, and fast delivery; it’s also backed by Sam’s member satisfaction guarantee.
      Also, here’s a mfr. website for Mylar bags….they do sell to the public and have a very large assortment to choose from and are considerably cheaper than distributor sites, but you have to buy some sizes in bulk. They offer closed end and open end bags, which the latter you can seal with a clothes iron. Their customer service dept. is very helpful should you have any questions.
      http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html

    29. TaxedEnuff says:

      For those of you still in the prepping stage who may be concerned about alternative fuels or sources for cooking, a very simple and efficient cook stove can easily be fashioned from a large bean can or coffee can….just do a video search on You Tube for “survival stove.” I also found that a cotton ball dipped in vaseline jelly makes a cheap and excellent fire starter when using charcoal.

    30. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie!
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop with my .45 semi-auto black glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I live by the river beneath a bridge… I deserve more  than this… why? why? why?
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Guardian of Liberty… now a cop killer?  Running from the Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president Barack Obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped canceled my Social Security check the other day… on april 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I murdered killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the screaming korean clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex asshole neighbor kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a crazed manic flight… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shoved both gleefully in my hungry mouth… I had gotten away … then I swore… “shit!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… acted like a greedy Banker and taken more, more, more…
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… an A.P.B. an All Points Bulletin – had gone out – “All Patrols Be On The Look Out for a Crazed Bearded Hobo Bum, Riding a Stolen Hot Pink Huffy Bike Down Main Street!”; I’m screwed now… a NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE HELL OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “FUCK IT!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop  isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Fuckers did this to me”… I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out combat boots upon cool concrete of the street… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed and leveled it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue patrol car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO Camo Combat Gear, with U.N. Sky Blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent child in me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found Stone Cold Cop Killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… I emptied the clip right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      Empty inside… now that I had unleashed all my NWO New World Order – Bilderberg Debt Slave Hate!
      There I stood astride my stolen pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING cavernous blood red hole that had been, Officer Friendly’s Red Raging New World Order U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Face.
      There I stood… Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!
       
      author after note:
      { There are over 600,000 unemployed war trained experienced Homeless poor starving Veterans just like our “hero” above walking thru your yards and living in the woods of your neighborhoods!} Just think about that for a moment America… there are more Veterans joining our ranks every day from the Illegal NWO Global Domination Wars and Economic Debt Slave War here in America. JUST PAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE!  Scary???? Maybe a little.
      Wake up America, there are 1 million – 1,000,000 foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will crash the dollar, invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      AMERICA IS A LIE owned controled by The Bank Of England!
      YOU ARE NOT FREE!
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER FEMA, DHS, NAFTA -UNITED NATIONS blue CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to DisArm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their nwo one world IMF WORLD BANK government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       
       
       

    31. Douge says:

      Well ,all ill tell ya is a country boy can survive !

    32. JANE says:

      eoIsolationist,

      That’s awful nice of you, thank you so much.  Compared to what you have, I feel like I have almost nothing. 

      And here’s a good tip.  Don’t lay rice bags on the floor because they could absorb moisture and will reduce the shelf life and make it taste bad or cause the rice to rot. 

    33. AZ Ready says:

      @tekroanin, we get it already!!!!

      Here is another idea for some of you. If you have a friend who owns or operates a restaurant or deli, ask them if them about their supplier and what the supplier carries in the form of dried or dehydrated foods. As I own a deli, my supplier is US Foods and they have great dried refried beans, dried seasoned black beans, a chili mix that is great for ground beef or TVP. These are made by Basic American Foods. US Foods also carries several dehydrated potato products. All of these a good to vacuum pack and have an extended shelve life when packed properly. The products are also restaurant quality and taste good. If you know someone, maybe they would be so kind as to order them for you and the price is better than any store bought products.
      Just a thought!
       

    34. AZ Ready says:

      @Terry, get a Rocket Stove as a back up for cooking. They will burn almost anything. I have used mine many times only using twigs and grass which you can find anywhere. Hell, I would burn furniture if I had to!!!LOL

    35. Comments…..
      Well, I received my Thrive powdered eggs in 2 weeks.

    36. Comments…..

      And Cindy…only reason I chose Thrive was it was the cheapest and didn’t say…”out of stock’!!
      Had to have it with my buttermilk for my cornbread–now if I had a way to save bacon grease!  LOL

    37. Lydia says:

      Comments…..
       
      JJ,
      Bacon grease can be pressured canned in canning jars.  Google for directions, but basically you can it in 1/2 pint or pint canning jars for 75 minutes at 10 lbs pressure.

    38. scott says:

      So the wife was bitching about my food storage and how I have a mental issue cuz nothing has happened. This has lasted 2 days now so this morning I order 5 more cases just to take the argument to the next level of mental illness. I hope she goes on with her tantrum cuz I need some other things too.
      No matter what you order it is still $4.49 and shipping is like 4-5 days for me. Been ordering for 3 years now.
      http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/

    39. So everyone will wait for the inevitable food shortage that will hit the world like Y2K, the millenium and just about every other so called disaster that has the potential to cause pain in the developed world. Ordering millions or billions of dollars of dried food that for all intensive purposes could be used to help the poor and starving of the world exacerbating the problem until it actually gets to be a real problem. Jesus…..this security blanket your looking for does not exist. Can you prepare for every potential disaster or know how it will hit us?

    40. Mike L says:

      @Jane – My lead comment was sarcasm actually :).  I get my rice from Costco and as far as I’ve seen they only carry Cali rice in the 50lb bags where I am.  Though I make sushi at home and that rice is actually from Japan, but its 5lb bags.

    41. scott says:

      @Jane – we buy only Costco 25lb. bags of rice. The “jasmine rice” they will get better the longer it sits in its original packaging. I have rice 5 years old and it tastes absolutely great. As far as beans go, use a slow cooker/crock pot or a pressure cooker. With a pressure cooker you can even cook your beans over a campfire using a grill!

    42. JANE says:

      Scott,

      Thank you for the tips regarding the rice.  Rice sold by Costco is from India or China is often not a high grade. Indian rice is mushy and is still not done.  Jasmine rice is probably from China and is tasteless.  I prefer Vietnamese rice, it tastes so good by itself,  and it’s perfect for survival or during a hyperinflation period or even now, with very little water and aprx. 7 min. cooking time.  It smells so good, it’s fluffy and just right.
      .
      Regarding pressure cookers, they can be dangerous, my dad had problems with one when he cooked his beans.  So use it with caution.

       

    43. JANE says:

      Mike L,

      Sorry my crystal ball was all fogged up, so how can I possibly know if you were serious or joking, think about it! You’re always correcting everyone and mine.  So how am I supposed to know your state of mind, okay mr. Obama’s twin -  J Now is this a joke or serious, think about it if you can?


       

       

    44. AZ Ready says:

      @ Marc, what are you doing on this site? If I want to spend my time or my money of food or frickin prostitutes it’s my perogative. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the unexpected, whatever that may turn out to be. You have auto or homeowners insurance? This is a form of insurance also. If you don’t like it, fine, don’t prepare, but don’t critisize those of us that have made the decision to self insure.

    45. scott says:

      Thanks for the tips on the pressure cooker Jane. The rice – my wife is Vietnamese and the Vietnamese only eat this rice so it has to be close to what the Vietnamese stores sell too.

    46. countrygirl says:

      Scott and Jane, I don’t usually post, but people. They make pressure cookers of all sizes and a little four quart one does cut cooking time and fuel by cooking under pressure, for that matter a good cast iron dutch oven cooks under about ten lbs of pressure. My dad cut himself once with a knife, but I have learned that my dad didn’t always make the best choices and I have learned to use a knife properly with out much problem.
      As for rice, If I’m in a survival situation I’ll want to insure that my body is getting what it needs to work at it’s best and rice will not give your body all that it needs, make sure you have a diversified food storage program.

    47. tekroanin says:

      NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS – COP KILLER
      Bye Bye American Pie…
      I shot and killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop with my .45 semi-auto black Glock today… a Disabled, Homeless, Cold and Hungry Veteran… I live by the river beneath a bridge… I deserve better than this… tsk, tsk, tsk…
      I had done my time… stood my watch upon the wall; a Guardian of Liberty… and after a fall… now a Stone Cold Cop Killer?  Running from the Ameri’kan Fascist Traitorous Law… why? why? why?
      The false NWO IMF homo druggy prostitute barry soetoro- a.k.a illegal president barack obama and AIPAC israeli jew controlled U.S. congress… stopped canceled my social security check the other day… on APRIL 8th, 2011… they broke america’s piggy bank… gave away the pennies to the banks and told me “sorry” none for you! You are Many! We are Few… MORE FOR US! None for You!
      I am a Disabled Veteran… I once Served My Country with Honor and Pride.
      I Murdered Killed a NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Today… why? why? why?
       I had robbed the local Korean corner store… while the radio on the shelf played “Bye Bye American Pie”…  I’d only pocketed a milk, hot pocket and a pie… ran by the Screaming Korean Clerk for the open sky… hopped on my ex Asshole Neighbor kids pink huffy bike… peddling in a crazed manic flight… hauling fast down the lane… making my one handed get away… thinking “bye bye american pie”… smiling in mirth… while with my other hand grabbing from my shirt, a half frozen Hot Pocket… then a crushed Moon Pie… shovin’ an munchin both in a hunger frenzy… my adrenaline and sugar high now kicking me into Over-Drive… I had gotten away … then I swore… “SHIT!”… it all dribbling down my beard… I thought to myself; I shoulda done like Ben Bernanke… acted like a greedy slimy Banker whore and taken more, more, more… for you see – IT’s ALL ABOUT ME! When I’m HUNGRY!
      Then down the way… my calves screaming in pain… I slowed down… a mistake… an A.P.B. an All Points Bulletin – had gone out – “All Patrols Be On The Look Out for a Crazed Bearded Hobo Bum, Riding a Stolen Hot Pink Huffy Bike Down Main Street!”; I’m screwed now… a NWO U.N. Blue NAFTA DHS Cop car pulled up behind, tires screeching… siren blaring , lights a twirling, screaming over the horn “PULL THE FUCK OVER!”
      At that time… I said to myself “Screw It!” an thought “I’m homeless cold and hungry”… this Asshole Cop isn’t gonna do me like “Rodney King”!… “The NWO U.N. IMF Greedy Banker Fuckers did this to me!”… “It is either Him or Me!” I skidded to a stop “swiiishhhh!”… planted my worn out combat boots upon the cool concrete of the street… reached into my sweat soiled pants waist… an pulled my cold heavy .45 Glock like slow dead weight… fingers numb… pointed and leveled it at the windshield of the NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Patrol Car… looking the Cop dead in the eye… I recognized him, he use to be nice to me, always smiling when we met on the street… Officer Friendly, now wearing NWO camo green Combat Gear, with U.N. sky blue Patches… once our neighborhood hero… here to “Protect and Serve”… now no more… now he is a DHS Federalized Thug… a NWO U.N. NAFTA blue Storm Trooper Whore… ordered by our illegal alien false president obama to “Punish and Enslave!”
      And while the innocent curious child side of me… kept asking… “why, why, why ?”… the newly found grown up tired Stone Cold Cop Killer in me… didn’t bat an eye… I aimed an pulled the trigger BLAM  BLAM BLAM 1,2,3… It was HIM or ME you MUST see… I emptied the entire clip right through the windshield… into the NWO U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Whore’s red screaming face!!!
      Empty inside… now that I had unleashed all my NWO New World Order – Bilderberg Debt Slave Hate!
      There I stood astride my stolen pink huffy steed… staring dead pan at the car’s brown vinyl covered rear seat, red blood, white bone chips and grey pink brain matter splattered over it. Staring through the shattered windshield and GAPING cavernous blood red hole that had been, Officer Friendly’s Red Raging New World Order U.N. blue NAFTA DHS Cop Face.
      There I stood… Humming to myself “BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE”… thinking “I’m still Hungry!”
       
      author after note:
      -Property of TekRoanin – final draft – a living work in progress – share with all pls – I encourage all Veterans to use this story poem as a template and tell us their own story – write their own and post on the web so they may be heard – dtp.
      { There are over 600,000 unemployed war trained experienced Homeless poor starving Veterans just like our “hero” above walking thru your yards and living in the woods of your neighborhoods!} Just think about that for a moment America… there are more Veterans joining our ranks every day from the Illegal NWO Global Domination Wars and Economic Debt Slave War here in America. JUST PAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE!  Scary???? Maybe a little.
      Wake up America, there are 1 million – 1,000,000 foreign troops and american traitor troops under the United Nations blue Flag, NAFTA blue Patch and IMF Bank Control right now; at this very moment here on American, Canadian and Mexican soil. Just waiting for our Illegal President Obama to call MARTIAL LAW! Upon which time they will crash the dollar, invade america and place you all; america under their U.N. NWO IMF military control. It’s either YOU or THEM!!! U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!!!
      NOW is the time to…
      Talk to family and friends…
      AMERICA IS A LIE owned controled by the family Rothschilds – The Bank Of England!
      YOU ARE NOT FREE! You are DEBT SLAVES!
      ARM UP STOCK UP PREPARE
      PREDITOR OR PREY THE CHOICE IS YOURS!
      And remember all US POLICE and SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS , NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW FEDERALIZED UNDER FEMA, DHS, NAFTA -UNITED NATIONS blue CONTROL!
      They are not here to protect you! They are here to DisArm you – “Punish and Enslave!”
      To Force you all under their nwo one world IMF WORLD BANK government control – NWO Debt Slaves one and all!
      U.N. AGENDA 21 is here!
      … spread the word.
       

    48. Hammerun says:

      Here’s another shortage, a lot wont have any interest but I called Belt Hatcheries in Fresno, ca and they said they were out as far as June July and August for new chicks. And he also added this is nationwide, all of the hatcheries are way out on backorders.

    49. John says:

      One nice thing about Mountain House freeze-dried food is that it actually tastes good, so if nothing happens in the next two years (or at least until 12/21/12), then my investment is not wasted and I’ll have some tasty side dishes for several months.

    50. Bill says:

      Rachel, thanks for the tip I got a great deal on a package for 4 people. I just don’t have the time to package my own food and I want to be sure that it will not spoil in a few months. Keep prepping!

    51. JANE says:

      @ countrygirl,


      Next time when you criticize people, make sure you quote them, instead of changing things to fit your agenda and trying to make people look stupid and yourself to look smart. 
      .
      For someone who usually does not post, oh boy your timing is incredible.  I remember other times, you agreed with liberals to support their lies. 
      .
      You’re comparing apples with oranges. 
      a)      Your dad cutting himself was a HUMAN ERROR, as it was for you. 

      b)      The pressure cooker which I referred to was due to MECHANICAL FAILURE, NOT A HUMAN ERROR. Can you understand the difference?  Talking about being stupid, it seems you can’t tell the difference.
      .

      Regarding the “as for rice” issue, you were lecturing me on was not what Scott and I were discussing.  We never said we did not want “a diversified program”.  We were talking about different brands and in the situation when there is no choice or electricity, GET IT?
      _____________________________

      You say you are a “country girl”, yet you only come out to attack people, but never offer any help or survival tips. It seems you have political motives after I agreed with other people’s individual rights and their freedom of speech as our leaders say “These are Universal Rights.” 

    52. JANE says:

      Scott, it looks like you made the right moves and prepared for it.  Your wife doesn’t know how lucky she is.  My girlfriend is Vietnamese, but she’s very westernized and does not even eat rice or Vietnamese food, but her American husband is the opposite.  He prefers Vietnamese food to hamburgers. 

      My girlfriend does not believe the SHTF theory, and she has not prepared for it.  Although she has a high education, she is very naïve in many things.

      Best of Luck!

    53. Grayfoxgreen says:

      Dear Mac Slavo,
      Thanks for the info you provided.I suspected that “prepped” food stuffs were going to become scarce as more and more “sheeple” start getting nervous.
      Gas looks like it will hit $6.00+ sometime in 2012.I expect it will top out about at $15/$20.00 per gallon in about 5 years,given the printing presses at the “FED”.
      “tekroanin”:other than boasting about your “killing”,what kind of prepping does a homeless vet do?I’m sure there’s a place for your story but perhaps not x2 here.I’d like to know how and where you get food and clothing,sleeping as a homeless person.”JANE” thanks for the tip on the rice from costco.Their “brown” rice is a touch $$$.Do you know anywhere where a good quality and ## can be found?
      Best to all
      GFG

    54. countrygirl says:

      Jane, whoa, I don’t believe I’ve ever posted here, and I only meant that small pressure cooks are great I bought one for cooking tounge actually from Caribou and Moose and have since used it for cutting cooking time for a ton of things. Really, dried beans and ham cooked in an hour. And I intended to mean, give them a chance. I read a lot posts and if I misread yours and I offended you my apologies, that was not my intent. 
       

    55. JANE says:

      @ countrygirl

      Thanks.  Have a nice day!

    56. JANE says:

      @ Grayfoxgreen


      Defending on which state and city you live in. Seriously, I myself have a difficult time finding the store which sells them. 

      I was told Vietnamese products are hard too find, because it is a very small country, and they don’t produce a lot like China or India.  Even countries that export rice, import some because their citizens prefer it over their own.

      Have a nice day.

       
       

    57. CarpenterBee 73 says:

      Got caught up in the rice comments… Costco sells a 50-lb bag for 20 bucks (at least they did a couple weeks ago). Calrose rice (medium grain), the best, IMO. Grown right here in CA.
      Also Costco has food grade storage bins for 20 bucks. Cheapest I’ve seen so far, and good quality. I dumped 50 lbs of rice in it and it looks like I can probably dump in another 25 at least. I just went to look, to be sure, but I couldn’t open it! (hubby’s not home…)

    58. CarpenterBee73 says:

      Got caught up in the rice comments… Costco sells a 50-lb bag for 20 bucks (at least they did a couple weeks ago). Calrose rice (medium grain), the best, IMO. Grown right here in CA.
      Also Costco has food grade storage bins for 20 bucks. Cheapest I’ve seen so far, and good quality. I dumped 50 lbs of rice in it and it looks like I can probably dump in another 25 at least. I just went to look, to be sure, but I couldn’t open it! (hubby’s not home…)
      Sorry about the doublepost

    59. Mike L says:

      @Jane – I think the wink at the end of the line should have probably given away the fact it was a JOKE.  You are far to tightly wound, I would hate to see how much stress you are under.
       
      You realize how often you attack people and put words in their mouth like countrygirl, a quick search of the site shows up next to no postings under her name yet you say she supports Liberals…  I read nothing in her post that was even remotely an attack yet you went OFF on her like she punched your child or something extreme.  Whoa.  I know you hate me because I believe in preparing and dislike the government we have and all, but at least be nice to people trying to give you free advise and stuff.  Instead of thanking me for the info I posted FOR YOU, you attack me.  Lighten up a bit, go outside breathe in some fresh air or something.  I think doing what my mother recommended to me would be good for you too, if you find something someone said offensive take a 30 minute break then re-read it THEN compose a reply and wait another 30 minutes, re-read their statement(s) then re-read yours before posting.  Cause once its out there, its out there for ever.
       
      Hope you have a great weekend (and no, not being sarcastic, decided I’m only going to be completely nice to you from now on and never post an opposing view from yours directed at you, that way you have no reason to attack me 🙂 ).

    60. JANE says:

      MIKE L (LUNATIC),

      There you go again, I have repeatedly asked you not to talk to me or associate my name in your posting.  And you continue to attack me, but at the same time you act like an innocent victim – A TYPICAL LIBERAL EXTREMIST.

      As I’ve said before I know who you are, and you are using multiple IDs to attack me. 

    61. JANE says:

      MIKE L (LUNATIC),

      Perhaps “country girl” is just another user name that you use to attack me or to protect your team members.  I responded to Country Girl’s attack, based on her comments to me.  Anyone who posts, should know how to defend themselves unless they don’t have a brain or are you just defending yourself again, “country girl”???

    62. JANE says:

      MIKE L (LUNATIC),

      I have repeatedly told you before, I refuse to discuss with you who are George Soros’s strong supporter (because of how powerful and dangerous he is as they reported in the news.)
      __________________

      You must have a mental problem, because I was only responding to your postings and your name calling from your past postings (but not lately), and everyone who read your comments or mine knows it.

      Mike, again I ask you to stop responding or sending your posting to me. 

      a)      Why don’t you attack the person who destroyed “the bank of England”.

      b)      Why don’t you attack the person who destroyed “the U.S. dollar and the U.S. economy”.

      c)      Why don’t you attack the person who “bought Halliburton oil stocks just to jack up the price”. 

       

    63. Mike L says:

      Wow, really time to go to school and learn how the internet works.  I don’t post TO you.  I post on these public and open forums.
       
      a) Why would I care who destroyed the bank of england?  Its a central bank like the Federal Reserve, I have no use for either, but you as an extreme liberal quite like it for your socialist ways.
      b) Which one?  There have been a lot of them.  What is the point in attacking dead people?  Should I only attack the living ones or both living and dead, you never specified.
      c) Umm… Who ever thought they were a worth while company to buy?  Did you read what you wrote?  This is how the stock market works.  If you think a stock is more valuable then its current price, you purchase it.  If you think the stock you have is overpriced you sell it…  I have no idea here what to say.  Anyone with a few million dollars could push up any stocks price.  The lower its current market value the easier it is to manipulate.  I think you meant to say something totally different and I have no idea what you were after.
      I don’t need to post under multiple IDs and Mac could easily tell if I did.  He is highly intelligent and the forums he uses should have a tracker that alerts him to people doing such things (its called an IP and most ISPs have them as static or fairly static now-a-days.  Oh and if you want to look it up, IP is Internet Protocol).  You are quite paranoid, its quite entertaining to push your buttons at this point.  From actually just trying to assist you with a bit of free knowledge (easily verifiable on the internet, but of course I created all those postings too!) to a 3 post wild unfocused rant by you lol.  My made up wife (rosettastone) says you’re funny!  (oh that should get her going haha).
       
      Sorry Mac, I try and keep most post on topic but this is just too much fun.  If you want me to stop tormenting her just email me.  🙂

    64. JANE says:

      These days the headlines are all about oil, consolidation of oil fields and location of oil.
       
      I am not sure this article is correct, and I’ve not read thoroughly.  But it tells you where the U.S. invests money in oil fields, and is the biggest speculator of oil stocks.  Oil prices are affecting our economy and our daily lives.  So check it out and see if it’s true or not. 
       

      Article:  The Most Evil Man in the World is NOT George Bush or Back Obama 
      From rumormillnews dot com, posted on Nov 29, 2010 by CBS writer, Steve Kroft. 

      “This needs to be read by everyone in this country, especially members of Congress.”
      ______________________
      Soros told Australia ‘s national newspaper “The Australian”
      “America , as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about..
      .
      Soros: “World financial crisis was” stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”
      . (Petrobras).
      .
      Tait Trussel writes, “The Petrobras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil , but it is a bad deal for the U.S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U.S. could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independance.”
      .
      In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds.

      A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch.com. This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor; that justice will be served. ””
      ““  But what about America ?
      Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil, came shortly after his financial backer George Soros invested heavily in Brazilian oil
      .

    65. Mike L says:

      Oil is the big game of the rich and elite is it not?  We the peons get to enjoy our insane prices.  I would put $40 on the price of oil to speculators, rest is the BS in the middle east and closer to its new true cost as Saudi oil fields slowly being pumped dry.
       
      George Soros is smart, and greedy.  A not so great combo in someone.
       
      The amount of insider trading I’m sure that is exchanged between the people at the top has to be amazing.  I would love to get in on it, so I could get rich, completely stock up and prepare for when the idiots screw up and send the world crashing down (again).
       
      There are some interesting Wiki Leak documents about what the Saudi says about their current levels.  They’ve likely reached peak.  Wee!

    66. Grayfoxgreen says:

      JANE,your comments and information were FANTASTIC!(4 star quality)How anyone could doubt that Mr. Obama wasn’t born here,given what we learned (from you) as to how he(OBAMA) acted in favor of the interests of Big Businessman,Soros(like ALL the other REPOCRATS in Congress) is beyond me.Well done!At least we can take comfort in the fact that father time time(Soros is a REALLY OLD CUSS) and God aren’t on Mr.S’s side.
      Best to ALL
      GFG

    67. JANE says:

      @ Grayfoxgreen

      Comrade, That’s A LIE.  I never said a thing about Obama was not born in this country.  You, hillary and hillary’s ppl have doing that, exactly what you did.

      Five stars for you, for blaming me and conservatives for the things that we did not do or say.  You said things, s/a “JANE,your comments and information  were FANTASTIC!(4 star quality) How anyone could doubt that Mr. Obama wasn’t born here,given what we learned (from you) as to how he(OBAMA) acted in favor of the interests of Big Businessman,Soros,” 

       
      My comments were and this one is indirect response to George Soros’s people who’re maliciously attacked me.  I was only trying to explain how powerful this man is, and I did not wish to engage you and his people in trying to prove my points.  
      ________________________

      When Soros dies there will always be many people to continue his work and run his empire, the same way George Soros did when his leaders died. 

    68. JANE says:

      MIKE L (Lunatic) said:  “There are some interesting Wiki Leak documents about what the Saudi says about their current levels.” 
      FALSE:  People are becoming very concerned about a new Pro-Western with Unionized regime to overthrow the king (such as USA and Egypt.) 
      .
      Ron Paul who is pro-elite and has been bashing the Saudi’s human rights and the princes wild parties; Paul knows this will get everybody upset about the Saudi families.
      _____________________
       


      Why is it that Ron Paul always has the same agenda of the Elite, and always is against his own Republican party?????


      And Ron Paul was chosen by the elites to audit the Fed which is never bothered to do????  Hmmmm..

       
      Wiki Leak corporation are run by the people who are very much associated with Google’s management team.  Well Wikileak seems to target and expose the Elites’ rivals.
      _____________________

      You said:  “They’ve  likely reached peak.”

      Saudi still has alot of oil and will eventually be in the hands of the elites, probably after the revolution.

    69. JANE says:

      MIKE L, You behave like a troll or a cartel trying to run this country.  I’ve never talked to you, but you’ve repeatedly sent your postings to me several times a day with your filthy insults.


      Mike you said: “We the peons get to enjoy our insane prices. I would put $40 on the price of oil to speculators, rest is the BS in the middle east and closer to its new true cost as Saudi oil fields slowly being pumped dry.”

      You try shrove your agenda and excuses down peoples throats. Mike, you’re trying to convince the world that it’s better to pay higher gas prices to George Soros/big speculator, than to pay the Middle East less money. 

      It’s up to the ppl, but for sure Americans and the west will tell you what a con-artist you are.
      __________________________


      So George Soros and you hate the Middle East, but where do you and your boss get the oil from?  From his secret reserve on his islands? 
      .
      Mike you said: ““Oil is the big game of the rich and elite is it not?”
      So Taxpayers have paid for all the costs plus interest to consolidate all the Middle East oil fields into the hands of a few super rich people.  We can see the transfer from the pro-west Middle East militants into the hands of the elite super rich (liberals speculators)
      __________________________

      In the past we have cheap oil which was sold by the Middle East.  But the oil is now in the hands or the western elite speculator.  The mainstream media said the gas prices are so high and now destroying our economy, but they did not tell you who is behinds this scheme.

       

    70. Pat says:

      Another emergency item that is selling out are the emergency cookers.  I just tried buying a Crisis Cooker or a Volcano Grill but both Websites said they were sold out.  One Website said they wouldn’t be stocked again until June.  Quite disturbing.

    71. I learned from a youtube video how to make a small stove from pop cans,lamp oil and a piece of cotton. I have some #10 cans full of fruit cocktail that when emptied I will make a bigger stove with and 2 wire hangers. Also picked up a metal can yesterday with some food grade 30 and 55 gallon barrels…the can held nickel in it for a foundry and I am going to attempt making a rocket stove with it….youtube is a real good learning source for a guy like me with my learning style…don’t buy a cooker, make one 🙂

     

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