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    China’s Secret Space Weapons Targeting U.S. : “Soon Every Satellite Will Be at Risk”

    Mac Slavo
    May 14th, 2015
    SHTFplan.com
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    china-space-weapons

    Theoretically, space and the orbit around Earth is a peaceful place, and the world wants to keep it that way.

    But in practicality, it is the subtle front of modern warfare, where exotic weaponry and high tech gadgetry are used to operate systems on the ground, and assert dominance over the spheres of the planet. And tensions are running high.

    The Pentagon has issued an alarming new report to Congress that identifies several secretive and publicly unknown projects under development in China that it perceives to a be an attempt to militarize space and undermine U.S. military and strategic interests.

    In particular, the Pentagon report concerns the use of anti-satellite space weapons, which is has not been forthcoming to the public about:

    The Pentagon has declared “China possesses the most rapidly maturing space program in the world.” […] Among the key issues are the Chinese regime’s experiments with space weapons. It has tested several of these, and has consistently told the public that it was testing something else.

    The United States is concerned that the Chinese regime’s “continued development of destructive space technologies” is a “threat to all peaceful space-faring nations,” states the Pentagon’s 2015 annual report to Congress on the Chinese regime’s military and security developments.

    The report is particularly concerned with China’s use of directed-energy weapons, satellite jammers and other technology that can be used to take out the communications grid and weaken U.S. military positions:

    Such programs are of particular concern for the United States. A significant part of modern military power relies on satellites—from GPS and communications, to early warning systems.

    The Chinese regime’s development of weapons designed to disable or destroy satellites, the report states, are “inconsistent with China’s public statements about the use of space for peaceful purposes.”

    The most notorious of these tests was in January 2007 when the Chinese regime launched a rocket and destroyed one of its own satellites. Today, however, its space weapons have gone far beyond rockets to include directed-energy weapons and satellite jammers.

    There has also been concern about “small maneuvering satellites that can attack orbiting satellites” under development by China.

    China’s previous demonstration of its ability to destroy one of its own satellites in orbit has already been seen as a direct threat to American interests in space, which in turn control communications, navigation and weapons technology. Now, the latest Pentagon report has gone so far as to label China as a military threat – a sensitive declaration that diplomats and politicians have been all too reluctant to do.

    The report claims secretive Chinese pursuit of these aims have included “military writings” about the need to destroy and damage satellites in effort to “blind and deafen the enemy.”

    Adding concern to an already suspicious program, Chinese defense academics often publish reports on the Chinese regime’s space weapons, the report states, yet “no additional anti-satellite programs have been publicly acknowledged.”

    Its military writings, however, “emphasize the necessity of ‘destroying, damaging, and interfering with the enemy’s reconnaissance … and communications satellites,’” the report states. The statements suggest, it notes, the Chinese regime may be targeting navigation and early warning satellites, for programs “designed to ‘blind and deafen the enemy.’”

    If defense posturing by the Pentagon is to be taken at face value – as they report to Congress, who authorize their funding – this high tech militancy is much more alarming than anything ISIS or small potato terrorist groups are doing on the ground.

    That’s because China appears to be targeting the U.S. directly:

    “Soon every satellite in every orbit will be able to be held at risk,” Raymond told the website Breaking Defense.

    […]

    The Chinese regime categorizes its anti-satellite weapons with its little-disclosed “Assassin’s Mace” and “Trump Card” weapons. A report from the National Ground Intelligence Center, declassified in 2011, states “These modern Trump Card and Assassin’s Mace weapons will permit China’s low-technology forces to prevail over U.S. high-technology forces in a localized conflict …”

    Russia is also believed to be building up a space weapons program.

    Behind the scenes, there has been work for many years on ratifying and finalizing an international treaty banning the weaponization of space.

    But the superpowers of the planet are hardly ready to yield control over their positions.

    The United States has opposed draft treaty introduced jointly by Russia and China in 2008, and updated in 2014, on grounds that the two Eastern bloc nations are secretly building up arms in space. Objections to such a treaty are significant inside the Defense Dept.:

    ‪“The Chinese and Russians have no interest in actually abiding by any international treaty that limits the militarization of space, but they are keen to get the United States to tie itself in knots over one,” Tkacik said.

    […]

    Additionally, the space arms ban treaty is part of Russian and Chinese efforts to attack U.S. and allied missile defenses, which are heavily reliant on space sensors and weapons.

    Additionally, “Russia is certain to cheat on any space treaty,” Schneider said. “They have announced that they are developing ASAT weapons. Moreover, they may be developing space offensive weapons.”

    The Soviet Union in the 1960s deployed a nuclear space weapon system called the fractional orbital bombardment system. It used an orbiting strategic missile in low earth orbit that was designed to de-orbit and attack the United States by transiting southward from the South Pole to avoid radar detection.

    Russian military writings have indicated recently that Moscow may revive the orbiting southern polar missile attack system. Analysts have said that in addition to providing Moscow with a first-strike space nuclear weapon, the system could also be used in a devastating electro-magnetic pulse attack over U.S. territory that would destroy all electronics over a large area.

    It would appear that the Cold War has officially be revived, with China as a new player.

    Among other things, it gives credence to concerns about a deliberate EMP attack by an enemy determined to knock out the grid and disable the population of the United States. Many Defense Dept. and Homeland Security officials are now stoking fears of the potential catastrophe, while the military is re-fortifying Cheyenne Mountain in preparation to shield military operations from such a major scale event.

    Whether such a thing would actually happen is up for debate.

    Best to bunker down, and get ready for all eventualities.

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    1. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Both military and civilians have told me (years ago) China’s already knocked out our satellites to show us they can.

      • How soon we forget Reagan’s Star wars. The U S weaponized space years ago..

        • OutWest says:

          Easy to forget .02, when we the peanut gallery
          of politics are so little informed and probably
          erroneously at that.
          The bully boys on the block run the show and we
          the piss ants just try to stay out of their way
          and keep from getting trampled. SOS, same old shit.

          • Yep out west, and speaking of war.. better get the money out of the banks asap and buy tangibles (cut paste)

            On April 30, 2015, ZeroHedge compiled actions taken over the last few years that proves without a doubt the “war on cash” is not only ongoing, but is escalating:

            • Italy made cash transactions over €1,000 illegal; • Switzerland has proposed banning cash payments in excess of 100,000 francs; • Russia banned cash transactions over $10,000; • Spain banned cash transactions over €2,500; • Mexico made cash payments of more than 200,000 pesos illegal; • Uruguay banned cash transactions over $5,000; • and France made cash transactions over €1,000 illegal, down from the previous limit of €3,000.

            Soon the banks will just lock us out of our accounts like in Greece and we will be totally fvked. Then, they will do the NIRP and charge us monthly to put our money in their banks all the while getting a cut from every transaction worldwide and taxing income at the point of origin. I never thought I would live long enough to witness the mark of the beast, but here it comes full steam ahead.

            • OutWest says:

              Chinook helicopters and Mi. State Police
              and Coast Guard choppers doing maneuvers
              over Lake Michigan last two days…….

            • apache54 says:

              .02
              don’t forget the man that has been trying to get his 107,000 back that the govies, took just because of the law they passed where if you make suspicious deposits they can take your money and keep it. look like he will get his money back after months of fighting , BUT the poiint is look at the laws that have been passed!! so easy for them to take anything they want!! we need REFORM and take our country back from the scumbags!!!

          • GrandpaSpeaks says:

            That is why they cultivate the short term memory. Many now do not know who the protagonists of World War 2 were. That tells them when it is time for a new one.

            • And then we have the rest of the story about NASA and who is really in charge of space exploration. (cutpaste)

              The U.S. Air Force is set to launch the fourth flight of its X-37B space plane on May 20, and new details are unfolding about the upcoming mystery mission.

              For this latest flight of the X-37B space plane, also known as the Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV), the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office has teamed up with several partners, including NASA, to test experimental space technologies.

              “With the demonstrated success of the first three missions, we’re able to shift our focus from initial checkouts of the vehicle to testing of experimental payloads,” Randy Walden, director of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office overseeing the flight, said in a statement.

              Ok all we have is admission they have a space plane..

              Is it possible this is for show and the real space vehicles are the ones that are doing warp 50 as seen around the world? I am inclined to believe we have been dealing with rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

              Ephesians 6:12

              Another good indication is to study the book of Enoch. These creatures have been here since before the beginning and when they appear and open the pit of hell humans are going to drop dead from fright. Is it any wonder the president goes grey seemingly over night? I think they take them to area 51 or some other secret area and show them who is really running things. You go face to face with ole scratch himself you be grey in a hot new york too.

              • .02 very true that these creatures have been here since the beginning and it’s nice to see someone who is familiar with the book of Enoch. If you have access to Enoch, take a look at section 1, ch.15, vs’s 8-12, taking special note of 10-12. This is the origin of demons/evil spirits/unclean spirits (all the same thing) and they are different then fallen angels. Fallen angels have retained their celestial bodies, albeit in a fallen state, and have no desire to “possess” a human body…that would technically be a “step down” for them anyway. These demons however DO desire to possess a human body as they still “hunger and thirst”, but, due to humanity having a free will they are always subject to being “cast out” of that body.

                Now consider Dan.2:43- “As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle themselves with the seed of men…”(KJV) you have to ask yourself, who is the “they” that is going to mingle with the seed of men. Other translations try to cover over this by making a reference to intermarriage but that isn’t correct with the original language. I have studied this and the “seed” is def. reproductive seed in the Hebrew. The word “mingle” speaks of being “co-mingled” and “braiding”. Now consider what a “braid” resembles (DNA?).Consider also the placement in the statue that is being spoken of here; the feet, the very bottom, the last world empire. The ramifications are that there will be genetically engineered bodies inhabited by what? These spirit beings (demons, etc.) who only mean to do harm to humanity will be integral in this last world gov’t, even if their “casings” are not resilient enough to contain them indefinitely (“…but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay” Dan 2:43). How many stories have there been out there about how so and so (insert politician name here) looks different for some reason. My guess is that there is a number of duplicate cloned bodies that these demons can inhabit and sometimes they look a little worse for the wear or haven’t been “done” just right.

                How long have there been stories of “alien” visitation and abduction and experimentation? How long is human history? This is how their plan has survived thru eons and has continued to push towards the one, ultimate goal!

                The enslavement of ALL humanity and subjugation thru the mark of the beast for the sole purpose of glorifying Lucifer as God.

            • Anonymous says:

              So, while the US is doing all this sneaky, back biting shit against Russia, China is pulling all this dirty stuff behind our back, trying to take us down!…enemies, enemies, everywhere.

              • kynase says:

                Check out the little toy that the US has up their sleeve. This might make you stay awake at night.

                ht tp://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-nominates-jassm-missile-to-host-new-computer-killing-412348/

                • apache54 says:

                  what it boils down to now is this, WHOM ever starts the fight WILL create a domino effect of proportions that NO-ONE knows the outcome, other than it can be really really bad or not! there are too many things that will be activated and or used between countries, but be very clear IF all is activated and they all perform as designed, it will be long time before NORMAL living ever comes back, the majot powers know this and they know ONLY the hardened electronics may survive and so it will all depend on who’s got the best electronic systems to withstand the attack. once someone starts the ball rolling there will not time for them to wait and see, so just a matter of time before it happens.

                  • Richard Head says:

                    wonder if the pentagon ever heard the saying, don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Can you imagine a war with china, hell it wouldn’t surprise me if all them tanks we see on the railroads aren’t being made and shipped over from china now too, along with everything else. There is no way this will ever end good. It’s gonna be a long time digging ourselves out of this friggin hole we’ve dug. I think we’ve subsidized our own slavery to china. I wonder if they’ll loan us a few more trillion so we can afford to go to war with them.

                • Kynase very interesting article. My hope is that between weapons like this being tossed back and forth and a sizable EMP from the sun, it will knock out the high tech weapons systems of those who mean to do harm to Patriots and will put the eventual fight on a more level playing field!

                  I know someone who has worked for Raytheon. I’ll have to pick their brains next time I see them.

              • buttcrackofdoom says:

                and what have WE done, but make war all over the WORLD for the last 75 years? why WOULDN’T the world hate U.S.?

            • Cede says:

              Well said Grandpa! Who the protagonists of World War 2 were, is irrelevant now. What matters, is that the world has completely succumbed to the collective amnesia that’s governed our lives for 70 years. We’ve forgotten the truth. So it’s now time to roll out WW3 in 2015 for the dumb and dumber. To finish what started after the Franco Prussian war in the 1870’s and the “Red” exodus from Russia to New York in the 1920’s.

              If you aren’t sure about what I said …… Turn the History Chanel off. Its the greatest propaganda tool ever used to dumb down and fool two generations into believing the polar opposite what’s really history.

              • Pissed Off Granny says:

                Cede:

                I wonder if your sentence “the Red exodus from Russia to NY in the 1920’s even made even one poster pause and wonder what you meant?

                Obviously you know the truth. Thanks….

        • oldwhatshisname says:

          The main stream media told us the Reagan Star Wars weapons program was defunded and closed. However, rumors have it that the program went deep and was give to a super secret agency which builds and monitors all satellites and gets its money from untraceable budget line items. Don’t know if rumors were true.

          • Killaryforpresident says:

            @OWHN—I can’t beleive anyone actually thinks SDI went away. Kind of like the announcement that the massive domestic spying program is ending. …OK,

        • “Theoretically, space and the orbit around Earth is a peaceful place, and the world wants to keep it that way.”

          Tell that to the ZIonist running the USSA. Fuck this country. We fuck with other countries, spreading out toxic form of “freedom and democracy” to sovereign countries all over the globe, killing, maming, devouring, innocent men, women and children, so Americans can live the dream. It’s bullshit.

          “The Pentagon has issued an alarming new report to Congress that identifies several secretive and publicly unknown projects under development in China that it perceives to a be an attempt to militarize space and undermine U.S. military and strategic interests.”

          What ever it takes to shut down the US Military Industrial Complex (the biggest and baddest bully on the planet), I’m for.

          “The United States has opposed draft treaty introduced jointly by Russia and China in 2008, and updated in 2014, on grounds that the two Eastern bloc nations are secretly building up arms in space.”

          America always seems to be against any treaty as it, and it’s puppet NATO, instigates the potential for war, in and around Russia.

          Come on Russia and China, bring the potential for peace to the globe with an EMP above DC, London and Tel Aviv. Then, THEN, one won’t have to go into orbit to find a “peaceful place”.

          • truth says:

            @europeeonamerican.
            If you are so dissatisfied, why don’t you leave?

            There are millions of people that will trade places with you and they will be more loyal to the USA than you.

            We’ll provide transportation for you when you ready to go.

            But don’t go away mad. “just go away”.

            the truth.

            • buttcrackofdoom says:

              @truth….you might be happy NOW, but wait until you find out what it has COST you….the check is on the table RIGHT NOW, and the waiter’s tapping his foot nervously….he’s got an uzi under that apron, if you were thinkin’ of dining and dashin’!!!…we are about to pay a terrible price for waging all these wars, and not paying for them…well, we did pay for them, but it was with MORE DEBT.

              ewww, that smell
              cantcha’ smell that smell?
              eww that smell
              the smell of DEBT surrounds youuu. …Lynyrd Skynyrd, sooo prophetic, weren’t they??

            • “We’ll provide transportation for you when you ready to go.”

              Thanks for the offer, “truth”, that’s just swell. I’m ready. All packed.

              Here’s the boat I want.

              Do you want my banks routing number?

              “There are millions of people that will trade places with you and they will be more loyal to the USA than you.”

              Would that be all the illegals ready to come across the border, eager for a piece of their entitlements?

            • FreeSlave says:

              European American: “Fuck this country.”

              Truth: “If you are so dissatisfied, why don’t you leave?”

              Valid question.

            • Richard Head says:

              truth

              you mean kinda like all those poor immigrants from mexico and Guatemala that just come here and want so badly to integrate and become part of American society……Those so loyal and happy to be here ones that they won’t even learn English and are offended by anything American. Most people who are so frustrated don’t hate America, they hate what America has become, they hate how most people seem to have forgotten the principles and ideas this nation was founded on, and that includes all the precious immigrants that “want so badly just to be American” wink wink.

          • Mountain Trekker says:

            No Freeslave, every one don’t laugh at the “Made in China” Label, everyone BUYS the “Made in China” label. China’s secret weapon to destroy America is to take all of its jobs, and they have done a pretty good job of it. Now we need Fast Track to seal the deal! I just wrote My Congress Vermin in two States and told them pertaining to TPP “Transparency,BS! TPA I guess we have to pass it to find out what is in it. No wonder Congress always gets such low rating. Instead of doing its job its always trying to give the Executive Branch more power. I guess Fast Track for Big Business is what we’re really after”. I Know, I Know, they don’t listen. Boy the the warm water in this pot sure does feel good, but it feels like its getting hotter Trekker Out.

          • FreeSlave says:

            European American to Mac Slavo: “Tell that to the Zionist running the USSA. Fuck this country.”

            Who is this Zionist that you want Mac to tell it to?

            • Yankee by birth, Southerner by choice says:

              Free Slave, once again agitating on the forum. Where did European American pose his question to Mac? My lord, you are a pathological liar.

              • FreeSlave says:

                Dim by Choice,

                It’s in European American’s comment at 4:08pm. He quoted Mac Slavo’s very first sentence in his comment. And then the very first sentence of his response was “Tell that to the Zionist running the USSA.”

                • Yankee by birth, Southerner by choice says:

                  Does anyone else think that Free Slave is a fed? He seems to continually stir up shit without providing anything of value.

                  Classic example of cointelpro….infiltrate a group and attempt to divide them by creating friction and getting people to fight against each other.

                  I believe Free Slave is not one of us. Be wary of interacting with him.

                  Notice how he spends so much time on here & continually misquotes people and flat out lies. Never anything positive contributed by him/her.

                • Jimbo says:

                  Yes, continue to listen to fucking idiots like .02.

                  • So, Free Slave played patriot with his lame love-it-or-leave-it charade with European American above, then a few posts below Free Slave cares nothing that the US is at increased risk of nuclear attack as long as he can pretend the tribe had nothing to do with it (except that Bernie Schwartz of Loral did sell the MIRV technology to Red China).

                    Yeah, real sincere patriots those dual citizens: “Kill [deceive, and loot] even the best of the Gentiles.”

          • buttcrackofdoom says:

            well said europeanamerican, my thoughts exactly.

          • Braveheart says:

            EA, we are all opposed to anything and everything the US govt. does here at home and abroad, but it sounds like you’re advocating the destruction of your own people. I’m all for dismantling the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies, hell, the entire US govt. for that matter and starting over from scratch. I’m also in favor of demilitarizing law enforcement and return them to their original role of protecting and upholding the rights of the people. But it sounds like you advocate the destruction of our country which is the same goal of the NWO/globalists. You’d better get yourself on the RIGHT side of the issue and reconsider your overall position. Russia, China, the whole world is waiting to destroy us and that means you too. So what’s it going to be? If you stick with that position, you’ll be at odds with us patriots. Better think long and hard on this one for your own sake.

            • I’m advocating the destruction of those parasites who consciously, or unconsciously, directly or indirectly, are out to dismantle the Constitution of America, plain and simple.
              I’m not sure, anymore, if that massive collective can be destroyed, by the mere fact that so many of the mindless masses support the infection that has taken our country hostage. THese ARE NOT MY PEOPLE. And I suspect, they are not yours, either. We’ve been countryjacked and we are the small minority. Now this isn’t to say that these people that I say are not mine, can’t see the error of their ways, anything is possible. But the trajectory that we, as collective, find ourselves on, right now, will continue to get worse, a lot worse, before there is any remote hope of it getting better.

              CHina and Russia, and all the other countries are sick and tired of having to put out the fires that the USA is chronically lighting, like an arson gone stark raving mad. I don’t know about China, but I would think they would keep their distance and respect us more if the USA wasn’t so hellbent on creating global havoc. Russia is by far the most sane global country, militarily speaking, on the planet. But their patience is about to come to an end, with NATO’s (USA) saber rattling at their front door.

              We need a good revolution to calibrate the minds of the aggressive maniacs who got us in this mess. If Russia and CHina want to destroy the destroyers, I’m all for that.

              Bottom line as I see it. We may never be able to go back to the 1950’s when everything was golden in this country, too many brains have been altered. Our life-styles about to change dramatically. The destroyers are about to get destroyed and there will be a lot of collateral damage. The world that we both grew up with is gone. A whole new world will be replacing it with “multiple universes”. Pick the universe that supports and uplifts and nourishes. Everything else will be dark, with the sound of millions of gnashing teeth.

              • Russia is in debt to the banksters. China is positioning to join the banksters. I do not expect Russia or China to bring salvation to America’s talmudvision generation.

                What makes our situation even more dire is that there are too few people committed to a decent and just society. The people who love God, their neighbor, and the Ten Commandments are welcome in “the liberty movement” only if we leave our Christianity at the door of “the liberty movement’s” big tent. Any guess what the “anything goes” liberty movement, especially the bloodlust contingent, will do with Christians afterwards???

                Hint: Remember what the October 1917 revolution did with their “allies” from the May 1917 revolution.

                • John Q. Public says:

                  Add Scotland to Iceland and Hungary as nations throwing off the banksters’ yoke.

                  The Scottish Lions’ Roar: Bad News for Israel
                  Y. Ridley – Middle East Monitor
                  https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/europe/18511-the-scottish-lions-roar-will-be-heard-and-felt-in-tel-aviv

                  … When the polls closed, the dramatic count that followed saw the emergence of a new political landscape … As the polling dust settled, the SNP [Scottish National Party] had won an unprecedented 56 of the 59 constituencies across Scotland, turning them into Zionist lobby-free zones for the first time in decades. Indeed, the Westminster lobby groups of various political Friends of Israel were heavily depleted following high profile departures from the ranks of MPs which left the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats with just one representative in Scotland each. To add to their woes, none of those left standing from the political blitz in Scotland are active supporters of the State of Israel … The arrival of the new Scottish MPs is ringing alarm bells among some of the pro-Israel lobby groups in Westminster and Tel Aviv.

        • Idiots_Everywhere says:

          .01 – “How soon we forget Reagan’s Star wars. The U S weaponized space years ago”

          Except of course that we put no weapons into space under star wars you dolt. Good grief, the man was lambasted for the idea as being science fiction. How soon we forget indeed.

      • FreeSlave says:

        Everybody I know laughs at the “Made in China” label.

        • Here is a great joke for you FS:

          The biggest surprise in the Pentagon’s latest annual report on Chinese military power is the claim that China’s ICBM force now includes the “multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicle (MIRV)-equipped Mod 3 (DF-5).”

          This is (to my knowledge) the first time the US Intelligence Community has made a public claim that China has fielded a MIRVed missile system.

          If so, China joins the club of four other nuclear-armed states that have deployed MIRV for decades: Britain, France, Russia and the United States.

          For China to join the MIRV club strains China’s claim of having a minimum nuclear deterrent. It is another worrisome sign that China – like the other nuclear-armed states – are trapped in a dynamic technological nuclear arms competition.

          Still laughing?

        • Anonymous says:

          LIke iPad, computer, tablet, and smart phone and other cell phone users?

        • “Everybody I know laughs at the “Made in China” label.”

          Well, since almost everything is “Made in China”, then who’s really laughing at whom?

        • DaisyD says:

          Not only they should cry but they should cry blood instead of laughing.

          This country has been almost completely de-industrialized to whose benefit? and they think it’s funny?!?
          100 millions are on food stamps and 30% is unemployed. Land parcels here and there, along with big projects are sold if not outright given to the Chinese and the list goes on…

      • Acid Etch says:

        Tip: buy boots with wide enough gaps in the tread that gravel doesnt get caught in it. The gravel will scrape on the concrete and give your position.

      • Mike in VA says:

        Eppe

        That is a hell of a thing to say on the first post I see of the day. Immediately puts me in a bad mood. Hope you are doing great my friend.

        • John Q. Public says:

          @ Mike in VA
          Apparently Free Slave doesn’t want to understand the Bible by reading its entirety. He is content to have his ears tickled by a few John Hagee half-truths.

          Here’s a “plot summary” for him, with citations (to make this post shorter, the links provide about 150 supportive scriptural verses that would be too long to post here):

          (1) The “blessings and curses” Covenant with Abram the GENTILE and his SPIRITUAL heirs.
          Galatians 3:6-8
          Romans chapter 4
          Matthew 3:9
          more here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3866/blessings-curses-genesis-12-3

          (2) Covenant with Moses—a contract with rewards for obedience and punishment for disobedience.
          Deuteronomy chapter 28
          Leviticus chaoter 26
          Leviticus 18:28
          Numbers 14:23
          Deuteronomy 4:26-27; 6:18; 7:12
          Deuteronomy chapter 30
          Ezekiel 13:9
          Jeremias 7:15; 29:13-14
          More here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3726/gods-judgments-old-testament

          (3) God’s Judgment about the Israelites DISOBEDIENCE and his promise of a NEW Covenant.
          49 judgments of God listed here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3726/gods-judgments-old-testament
          96 more judgments of God listed here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3701/jesus-apostles-saints-doctors-popes

          Jeremias 31:31-33
          Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: NOT according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: THE COVENANT WHICH THEY MADE VOID, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord: I will give my law in their bowels, and I will write it in their heart: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

          (4) Israel connived the judicial murder of their Messiah.
          Mark 10:33, Matt. 20:18-19, Luke 18:31-33
          Matt. 26:4, Luke 22:2, John 7:1
          Matt. 26:59
          John 7:19
          John 7:25
          Matt. 27:1-2, Mark 15:1, Luke 23:1
          Matt. 27:18, Mark 15:10
          Matt. 26:15, Mark 14:10-11, Luke 22:2-6
          Mark 11:18, Luke 19:47
          Matt. 27:20, Mark 15:11, Luke 23:18, John 18:40
          Matt. 27:22-23, Mark 15:13-14, Luke 23:21-23, John 19:6-7
          Matt. 27:26, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:24-25

          “His blood be upon us and upon our children” (Matt. 27:25).
          “For this reason he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin” (John19:11).
          “… the chief priests and rulers delivered him up to the sentence of death and crucified Him” (Luke 24:20)

          etc., etc. etc. and confessions from the Talmud here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3772/deicide-confessions-blame-shifting

          (5) Mosaic Covenant REVOKED, “MADE VOID,” “BLOTTED OUT,” “SET ASIDE,” “TAKEN AWAY,” “ANNULLED,” and fulfilled in the NEW Covenant, the NEW Israel, the NEW Chosen People
          Hebrews 7:18
          Hebrews 10:9
          Colossians 2:14
          Jeremias 31:31-32
          Malachias 2:8-12
          Hebrews 8:5-13
          Mark 7:7-9

          More here:
          ht tp://abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3867/mosaic-covenant-revoked

          (6) The sad fate of the DISOBEDIENT.

          axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
          cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
          condemned Mark 16:16
          cut down Matthew 3:10
          in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
          judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
          shall be broken Matthew 21:44
          shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
          the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
          woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
          wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
          your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
          you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

          Indeed, judgment and curses for the stiff-necked deicides and blasphemers.

          (7) WHO ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE TODAY?

          1 Peter 2:9-10
          “But you [speaking to the CHRISTIANS] are a CHOSEN generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Who in time past were not a people: but are NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.”

      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        One day.

      • tj swann says:

        Easy preps for an EMP while driving:
        Carry the tools to disconnect your battery- if your car dies and won’t start some cars will reset the ‘circuit latch’ that an emp can cause if you unhook from the battery for a moment. (if your car is fried you may be taking the batt out anyway)
        Also have replacement fuses for your car. And a spare set of spark plugs, with a plug socket- some cars blow out the instrument panels in an emp, fry the gaps and fuses, but the electronics actually hold up from designed EM hardening.
        For the home, the more things you keep unplugged the better. Avoid ‘long wire runs’ (power lines, phone lines) by at least 8 feet during an EMP event.

    2. The Prophet says:

      The US government is in trouble. If the Chinese knock out communication sats we might not be able to get our cable tv shows. Lost reception is worse than higher taxes to most boob tube watchers. Take my guns, but damn it, leave my remote alone. This is war!

      • deano360 says:

        unfortunately this is the mentality of many people i know, what a shame…. they let themselves be poisoned by what they think is harmless and ignore the things that will kill, and say no big deal…. its only a matter of time before china does strike the CONUS and when they do, it wont be good

      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        Oh, the humanity!

      • passinwiththewind says:

        Since you brought up the subject of “tv shows”. And, since your handle is “the Prophet”, you may appreciate my take on TV in the 21st century.

        I have a little work called The Image of The Beast. Not gonna post here and now but will just throw out something to think about.

        Ever wonder why it became mandatory for all stations to go to “digital” broadcasting? When the gov/TPTB put their demands on something, then it is a good bet that it will benefit TPTB in the long run.

        They will say, for the benefit of everyone, some must shell out the bucks, or lose their ass.

        Here is what I believe, in a condensed version. The workings of gov/TPTB is all being done out of a lust for power, greed, and control. The father of all that, is none other than Satan.
        He controls men and minds to do his bidding for his final appearance, as Antichrist. Remember these two things when speaking of Antichrist/Satan….Deception and control.

        Back to TV. What are we seeing, when we watch TV? We are seeing an image of a person/persons, and or things. Even with live TV, that isn’t a real person in that TV set that one can touch. It is a digitally transferred “image”.

        TV reception isn’t going away. It may not be available through the channels and programming that most are accustomed to like “cable”. At the retreat, we have a high quality antenna with a signal booster hooked to it. I can pick up about 40 channels and in most cases they come in clearer than our satellite cable at the main house.

        There has to be an available TV signal for the beast, to portray his role to the world, through his “image” so that the world will whore after his image and pay allegiance to the image, that he is portraying as “the Messiah returned”. Even folks with old analog TV’s have or can get access to a digital transmission switch box.

        TV will not go away! Read my digital lips, “will not go away”.

        BTW, it will be funny (as in funny ha ha), when the hard core pre-tribbers see their messiah on TV. You know the one. The one they tell everyone that is coming in the clouds, “first”, but not setting feet down on terra firma until “after” the seven years of tribulation, to “snatch” up the church.
        While the rest of us heatherns are “left behind” to wail and piss our selfs.

        I’m not asking anyone to believe, but just consider it.

        • Ham radio is keeping analog alive with fast scan TV, a worthy tool to bypass the fabricators and gatekeepers of “news.”

          Imagine how differently Ruby Ridge and Waco would have been if the Weavers and Branch Davidians had sent images to the world of the incoming fire… images of the children… images of the arsonists.

          • Aging Nazi says:

            Hey. as long as we can find a way to pin it all the jews, It’s OK by ME, but then you ALL already know that don’t you.

            • THE RABBI SEZ:

              Rabbi Ovadia Yosef stated that those who died in the Nazi persecutions were “reincarnated sinners” who got what they deserved, that Hitler “was simply the messenger of God sent to give the Jewish people their just desserts.”

              Jack Katzenell, “Rabbi Says Holocaust Victims Were Reincarnations of Sinners.”
              The Independent (UK), August 6, 2000.

              independent dot co.uk/news/world/middle-east/rabbi-says-holocaust-victims-were-reincarnations-of-sinners-711547.html

        • PWTW, Good points! I believe post trib also and firmly believe that the placement of the Rapture/2nd coming (singular event) is found in Rev.16:15. It’s an unusual verse in that it’s placement is seemingly out of context with what’s being spoken of before and after it. Also in that it’s red ink in red letter edition’s. It also coincides with Mt.24:29 and Mk.13:24.

          AFTER the tribulation! (not that I’m happy about that but I’d rather know the truth and prepare myself Prov.22:3)

    3. KY Mom says:

      Another Train Derails In Pennsylvania, 10 Cars Off Track Near Pittsburgh – Live Feed

      “For the second time in a week, amid ongoing discussions on infrastructure spending, a train has derailed in Pennsylvania. As CBS Pittsburgh reports, emergency crews have been called to a train derailment in Hazelwood. At least 10 cars are off the track but no injuries have been reported yet.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-14/another-train-derails-pennsylvania-10-cars-track-near-pittsburgh-live-feed

    4. DaisyD says:

      Why is the US shocked that those tiny short people have now the potential to kick the US’s ass any time, after they moved US industries and trademark secrets over to their neck of the hood for profit? that is simply absurd.
      B4 the US did, Chinese people knew nothing, lived off rice, rode bi or tricycles and used huts as living quarters.
      I mean in a way the US is so damn STUPID!!!

      • All over greed and corporate profit. Now the TPP is the next step to strip China of manufacturing and usher in child labor, again. Around and around it goes as human pride and greed strip mine the planet.

      • Gonetoolong says:

        Exactamundo. All that is left is removing the dollar as reserve currency. Then the US is nothing more than a nation of selfie-taking, arrogant, know nothing, greedy, asswipes. What else currently do we offer as a nation besides Kim Kardashian and other entertainment diversions? Long term fucked. That is what we are. Now let’s get this new trade treaty done to seal the deal.

        • and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. How many Millennials have gone with out hot water not even mentioning running water? When their Igadget goes down, they will go into shock and curl up and die.

          • Richard Head says:

            .02

            You know I can’t stand millenials but really I can’t stand their parents more. Sometimes you have to almost feel bad for them. Their kind of like a dog that doesn’t know any better than to shit in the house and bark all day and tear shit up. Is it the dog’s fault? Nope, it’s the dogs owner’s fault for never training the stupid thing on how to act. We did it to them, we spoiled them, we ruined them, and posterity will pay the price for our mistakes

      • Killaryforpresident says:

        Without our satellite systems ans communications infrastructure, USA is pretty impotent, and will resort to nukes (they are all getting old, so will THEY even work?).

        The main reason USA prevailed in WWII is that our economic and industrial might was out of reach. Now, not so much. Our electricity/electronics-dependant infrastructure has become an Achilles’ heel. Most Chinese citizens can remember getting by without Itoys. Americans call 911 if their burger is made wrong.

    5. The Prophet says:

      OK. I’ve been watching the Baltic Dry Index for a long time. When it goes up or down, it’s usually no more than 5 basis points in either direction. Today it went up 46 basis points. What gives? Somebody sink half the fleet?

      • Mike in VA says:

        Prophet

        That is astounding to me. Very strange. Maybe they started including warships in the index.

        • FreeSlave says:

          Hi Mike,

          Two more oddities to note:

          (1) S&P closes at an all-time record high today at 2121. Dow Jones closed at 18,252.

          (2) Republican Senators put TPP back on the Fast Track for Obama.

      • Numbers are all subject to input at the whim of “them”. There is no index that they wont/cant touch. Paper gold and silver etfs keep the true price discovery from ever emerging. Bonds and treasuries are all bought and paid for by the Fed with magic digital dollars, the plunge protection team keeps the stock market at all time highs or there abouts while the HFT machines vampire any human that tries to trade in the rigged casino. Nothing and I mean NOTHING is running on honest fundamentals any longer.

      • GrandpaSpeaks says:

        I read the Chinese are scrapping container ships. The World is about to get much smaller now that everything is outsourced here. Good corporate planning, but not on this side of the ocean. Selling US treasuries, scrapping container ships, the conspiracy is no theory. Our time line is now a dash.

      • KY Mom says:

        The Prophet,

        Good point about the Baltic Dry Index.

        There have been some bulk shipping bankruptcies in recent months – Eagle Bulk Shipping, Copenship, and China’s Winland Ocean Shipping Corp. I don’t know if or how that affected the numbers.

        The index has risen some. But, the numbers are still LOW, compared to last year at this time.

        Last year there were concerns voiced in the financial news when the index was in the mid 800’s.

        5/14/15 – Baltic Dry Index is at 637.
        http://www.dryships.com/pages/report.php

        2/18/15 – Baltic Dry Index drops to 516.
        (a 30 year low)
        http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-china-slowdown-baltic-dry-index-drops-to-30-year-lows-2061992

        1/30/15 – The Baltic Dry Index drops to 632.
        The index is down 95% since 2008. The Baltic Dry Index NEVER recovered to anywhere close to the levels reached in 2008.
        http://www.businessinsider.com/baltic-dry-index-hits-record-low-2008-crash-2015-1

        December 3, 2014 – Baltic Dry Index is down to 1,079.

        There were concerns last year…
        6/24/14 – The Baltic Dry Index Is Down 60% Year-To-Date; Worst On Record
        As of June 2014, the index is at 867
        “had collapsed over 60% year-to-date”
        “worst first-half of the year on record”
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-24/baltic-dry-index-down-60-year-date-worst-record

        For comparison…
        May 20, 2008 – The Baltic Dry Index reached 11,793 points.
        http://en.portnews.ru/news/191537/

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        “P”
        Excuse my ignorance, but would explain the Baltic Dry index. Please.
        Thanks
        Sgt.

        • KY Mom says:

          Sgt. Dale,

          Baltic Dry Index: This little-known index shows the true strength of the global economy. The Baltic Dry Index is the barometer that gauges the shipping dry bulk commodities around the globe.

          How The Baltic Dry Index Predicted 3 Market Crashes: Will It Do It Again?

          Seeking alpha dot com

          How The Baltic Dry Index Predicted 3 Market Crashes: Will It Do It Again?
          http://seekingalpha.com/article/2925936-how-the-baltic-dry-index-predicted-3-market-crashes-will-it-do-it-again

        • The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) is a number (in USD) issued daily by the London-based Baltic Exchange. Not restricted to Baltic Sea countries, the index provides “an assessment of the price of moving the major raw materials by sea. Taking in 23 shipping routes measured on a timecharter basis, the index covers Handysize, Supramax, Panamax, and Capesize dry bulk carriers carrying a range of commodities including coal, iron ore and grain.”[1]

        • IOW one could measure the economic health world wide by following the BDI number as it is supposed to indicate movement of goods in the largest shipping market. As they have stated above the number took a seemingly large move to the upside from markets unknown indicating to me of rigging as the BDI has been at all time lows for months.

          here is a cutpaste from march 10th;

          THE Baltic Dry Index (BDI), which measures the rates for chartering the giant ships that transport iron ore, coal and grain, has long attracted the attention of commentators hoping to take the pulse of world trade. The cost of shifting the basic raw materials that are the ingredients of steel, energy and food supposedly provides a leading indicator of the state of the world economy. If so the forecast would suggest that a storm at sea will shortly make landfall. The index, a composite of rates charged on a variety of important trade routes, has hit an all-time low, after sinking by 65% in the past 13 weeks alone. Even in the depths of the financial crisis shipping rates kept their heads further above water (see chart). Why are they so remarkably low now?

          sO.. ARE YOU STILL WITH ME? The only way that the BDI moved 45 points is because of manipulation imo. EVERYTHING is being rigged to keep the pleebs from panicking and making a bank run for cash that the banks don’t have. THIS is why the banks are screaming for a cashless system to protect them from people seeing how bad we have all be screwed when we try to with draw our money from their banks where they have passed laws that now makes the reality that your money is not yours but rather if it is in their bank it belongs to them.. whew!!

          • Sgt. Dale says:

            .02
            Thanks for the info.
            Well now I have another one to watch and now I understand.
            Thanks you.
            Sgt.

          • passinwiththewind says:

            You dropped the “w” bomb, ..02

            Withdrawals. The banks hate it like a wh…, well just skip that.

            Bank withdrawals cause fear and panic because the banks have leveraged all your cash, and they have to pay penalties for early withdrawals, or shall i say, not covering their loans/leveraged accounts. Were not talking about the small ATM withdrawals. It’s the counter withdrawals and big electronic transfers to other banks/businesses.

            They are playing roulette with your $$. They can’t manipulate the raw cash transactions like they can electronic transfers.

            • And the banks have used investors money to play the markets because the POS Bill Clinton threw out Glass Stegall and we are right back to the situation of 1929. Banks are more dangerous to a nation than a standing army. TJ had that one totally correct.

      • Northern Reb says:

        Thanks for the info. I guess you can teach and old dog something. Still learning after all this time!;-}
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

    6. Dave says:

      More Booga Booga. Give the Defense Dept more money more money or we will be destroyed. How about spending the dollars to harden the GRID and other public defensive needs.

      Beware the MIC they will lie and cheat also!

      • Northern Reb says:

        Dave;
        Just think of all the goods we have now because we gave or tax dollars to defense.
        1. All the fire arms were first use or sampled by the military.
        2. The Internet
        3. Optics, Lasers, night vision, range finders, polarized glass
        4. Bullet proof glass, vest and over body armor.
        5. Extreme weather clothing.
        6. Freeze dried foods and MRE’s.
        7. Deep/fish finders, electronics, fishing line.
        8. Nylon, rayon.
        9. B/J weld, silicon. acrylics.
        10. Transportation by land sea and air.
        I would rather see my tax dollars going to them (The military) than to some lazy zombie mope that has been sucking the nation dry because they are to lazy to work and rather sit on the porch smoke dope drink booze and make babies that I have to pay for.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

      • Beware of the leader, who strikes the war drum in order to transfer the citizens into patriotic glow, patriotism is indeed a double-sided sword. It makes the blood so boldly, like it constricts the intellect. And if the striking of the war drum reached a feverish height and the blood is cooking and hating, and the intellect is dismissed, the leader doesn’t need to reject the citizens rights. The citizens, caught by anxiety and blinded through patriotism, will subordinate all their rights to the leader and this even with happy courage. Why do I know that? I know it, because this is what I did. And I am Gajus Julius Cäesar.

    7. KY Mom says:

      Re: “Among other things, it gives credence to concerns about a deliberate EMP attack by an enemy determined to knock out the grid and disable the population of the United States.”

      We can assume am EMP attack would be the preferred method. It would not risk the lives of their army or navy. We have read estimates that such an attack would kill 90% of the U.S. population in a year.

      The resources the Chinese want would still be intact. The land and water would not be contaminated, as compared to a nuclear strike.

      Also, it might be difficult to determine actually what country or group was responsible for an EMP attack sent from a ship in the ocean.

      • If that 90% number is true, those last 35 million people are going to be some bad ass mofos.

        • Old Guy says:

          not bad ass. just the fittest. they will need to have know how be self reliant ,smart, cunning ,healthy and mentally stable. preparation and just plain luck will also be necessary.

          • No.. BAD ASS.. If we have a 90% death rate the ones that survive will be warriors and warlords just like the 3rd world in MENA. Maybe a few pockets of hardened individuals but count on security and strength in numbers and with millions of arms and billions of rounds of ammo, warlords and their minions will rule vast areas. Human nature at its finest.

      • 99 nuclear power plants melting down across 30 states will be WORSE than s nuclear attack. Neutron is the bomb dujour.

      • egore says:

        We get an EMP, everybody gets an EMP. You don’t think we are going down alone do you? Probably the only thing that has prevented it so far.

      • just me says:

        I think an EMP attack by an enemy is quite possible. what I don’t think is that it would effect the WHOLE USA. To be sure, the whole USA would have a trickle down effect from an EMP and many would face hardships, but as far as totally taking out the grid of the entire country, I am a little skeptic about that kind of scenario. I would be more concerned about some sort of invasion or attack in addition to an EMP that would be attempting to “seal our coffin” as it were while we were trying to fix the grid that was taken down.

    8. GrandpaSpeaks says:

      It reminds me of the person who woke up homeless and now from the belly beneath a freeway sees and complains about someone purchasing a new car in the lot across the street. I say use the trillion Rumsfeld lost. Find that treasure before we give you any more and then make war accountable both financially and morally. For if it was, there would be none.

      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        GrandpaSpeaks:

        Rumsfeld was responsible for the aspartame debacle that has ruined how many’s lives/health around the world.

        The trail to adopting that artificial sweetener killer lead straight to the White House/Nixon.

        A good read on the net.

    9. Mike in VA says:

      E.M.P.

      Would be the worst case scenario. We are all prepared I hope for the power to go out. There would be mass panic and immediate death if this happened. Riots and looting would begin at that very moment.
      God help people if they are caught on the highway. God help people in airplanes. Can you imagine all the plains dropping out of the sky at the same time. Can you imagine conditions at jails, hospitals, nursing homes. What would happen to all the children if they were caught at school. The destruction that would happen afterward would shock us all. Can you imagine the stench in the cities. The uncontrolled fires that would burn. The horrible disease and starvation that would happen.
      I hope my Dad’s old 74 Chevrolet step side will be ready soon.
      A bicycle would be great to have at that point too.

      • Gota love the book “One Second After”.

        • Braveheart says:

          .02, I read “One Second After” 2 years ago. Not a very easy read. When I got to the part where the guy’s diabetic daughter died, I had to put the book down and it took me until the next day to pick it back up. In the last chapter, it was estimated that out of 300,000,000 people in the US when the EMP hit, maybe 30,000,000 at most were still alive one year after the event, and that was only an estimate. I think the final estimate in a real scenario will be much lower. Hopefully I’ll be at the BOL when it hits.

          • DaisyD says:

            …Braveheart,

            a part of me is very tempted to get me a ****** pill for when time comes to get outta here, but the other half want to stay up to witness the entire thing as it is very Unique event LOL.

            I had several nightmares in the past where a big white explosion took place that left everything completely anihilated. The word “evil” or “monstrous” is too weak of a word to describe what those nightmares unveiled.
            Now I realize maybe they were flashes of the future. At the time I was very happy and everything was simply swell, so I had no reason whatsoever to have such frightening dreams.

          • Plan twice, prep once says:

            I don’t buy the massive death toll expected from an EMP.

            The population in 1935 in the midst of the Great Depression was 137 million. Much of the population had limited or no electricity, people still used Ice Boxes that used ice, most homes had no central heat or plumbing. Massive numbers of people were unemployed.

            People did starve, people did resort to crime and violence. Corruption in government was rampant. In a word it sucked to live through the Great Depression.

            Never the less life went on. To quote the movie Jurassic Park, “life will find a way”, and isn’t that what prepping is all about?

            • The Old Coach says:

              Yeah but…..in 1935 a lot more people lived on subsistence farms, and so could feed themselves. Today virtually all rural folks primary food supplies come by train and truck from cali or mexico or wherever. EVEN THE FARMERS. Farming is now a specialized business. Grow two or three industrial crops, use the money to buy food at a grocery store. The old time self sufficient farms are GONE. Even the Amish around me depend on the ambient technology for tools, material, and yes, part of their foodstuffs. I see a couple of local families at our local grocery quite often.

              Break down the logistics system, which is all on the Internet, and even rural folks like me will have only what they have stored.

              If they are prepared with tools, soil and seed, they’ll be able to grow a crop in a year or so, but even the rural folks I live around aren’t rigged up for that. And I guarondamteeya that NOBODY has clue #1 of how much backbreaking labor it will require, even if they do figure out what has to be done.

              Myself, I figure that maybe 5% will figure it out, organize themselves with enough labor land, water, seed, livestock and tools, and eke out a living.

              • Plan twice, prep once says:

                I agree with much of what you are saying. People are clueless. I was trying to be optimistic though. I would imagine the government will be stepping in, confiscating food crops and trying to feed the clueless masses, that is until they collapse and bankrupt the farmers.

                If the SHTF at the height of the spring planting season how many Americans would get off their duffs and plow up the backyard lawn and plant a garden, or go buy some egg laying hens.

                I have a nice little veggy garden, but it’s small and it took years to build up the soil in it. I could plow up four to six times the area in the back yard and use my existing soil to improve that larger garden. And yes I have a backup supply of fresh heirloom vegetable seed. If the SHTF those little racks of garden seed in the hardware stores and garden centers will vanish in a blink, never to be replaced.

                I have an asparagus bed that is producing great right now, but that took four years to establish. I also have a well established raspberry patch.

                I’m planting four more fruit trees right now, brutal work with our hard pan soil. I dig a hole 6 feet across by two feet deep. It’s a lot of dirt, I’m mixing 30% peat moss with the crappy clay soil plus other soil amendments like weathered mulch and other goodies, then refill the hole, then plant the tree.

                Once in these trees should be good for thirty years. I was thinking that when the collapse comes it will likely last a decade. The trees I just planted are large enough they will be producing in just a year or two. If I got the soil right they should take off. For anyone that waits to see just how bad the famine is before they take action, simply won’t make it.

                • The Old Coach says:

                  I’m about there, too. Small garden for “treats” in season, not nearly enough to be canning or storing in bulk. And I’ve got all the prerequsites for a farm, except that I’m past 70, body been rode hard and put away wet for too many years.

                  Anybody who waits until the fit hits the Shan will be too late to buy chickens! And even chickens are work. I grew up with a flock running about 30 hens. Ever clean out a chicken house in July?

                  A good book is “Revolution Down on the Farm” by Paul Conklin. He grew up on a Tennessee subsistence farm, but became a historian, focusing on agriculture. First chapter of the book is an excellent, detailed survey of how subsistence farming worked before electricity and tractors. The rest of the book is about how technology and most importantly government “programs” and subsidies have changed agriculture into what we see today.

                  • Plan twice, prep once says:

                    Farming without a tractor?

                    I’m using the 55 year old Simplicity garden tractor my dad bought when I was a kid. It still starts on the first pull. I can’t even imagine digging these holes and moving two yards of soul without it. The old tiller attachment tears through the hard pan and I can just shovel off the loose soil. I’m on tree number three today!

                    This tractor is small but could still plow and till an acre in a couple hours on about two quarts of gasoline. It’s been used heavy for snow removal, but thank God it keeps on chugging. I spent a couple hours servicing it this morning, it’s been a true blessing.

                    Farming without a tractor? You must be kidding! LOL!

                    Clean out the chicken coop? Without a pressure washer????? If all these wonderful power tools stop running, how will people manage! Dang, how will I manage!

      • Northern Reb says:

        Mike:
        Now you know why I’m a Prepper and not going to rely on someone else to take care of me and my family and group of like minded people.
        I have most everything thing I can think of set up except the shower house and the flush toilets. I know what to build and have the material, but just don’t have it built yet, maybe by summer I’ll get’r done.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

      • slingshot says:

        Mike in VA.

        If you want anything done right or on time, you have to do it yourself.

    10. Sgt. Dale says:

      What we know of about space weapons is about 25 years behind time. There are things in outer space we have no idea what they are.

      When this whole thing goes to PPPOOOPPP! We will be in the 1800 again.

      Do you remember the TV program Revolution and Jericho. They (TPTB) were giving us a look into the future. If you watch the shows you will find that when it came to the Patriots fighting back and retaking the Nation the stopped the shows. Conspiracy?
      Sgt.

      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        SGT:

        Since you don’t seem to remember and YOU asked:
        Comment 338470 May 12, 2015

        ” Karl Marx — you have no idea of what you write. P.O.G. has forgotten more than you will ever know.”

        SGT

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          POG
          I was coming to your defense.
          The Clown Karl, I add Marx to it was cutting you down.
          I told him he had no idea of what he writes.
          That you being a person that has been around like me. With your knowledge. You have for gotten more that he will ever know.
          If you took 338470 as a cut down I’m sorry it was not met for that I was backing you up.
          Sgt.

          • Karl says:

            It proves one thing for sure, one of you is a MAJOR fucking idiot! I can’t tell you how funny that was to read your responses, and YOU are the ones who are going to rebuild the human race after shtf? Better that we all die out as a species than have brain surgeons like yourselves in charge.

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            SGT:

            My humble apologies. It did not read that way to me. I am sorry.

            • Sgt. Dale says:

              POG
              You don’t have to apologize.
              I still love you (LOL).
              I will have your back because I believe you have a lot of knowledge and I have followed you for a long time and you never waiver in your pursuit in trying to help everyone on TSHTF Plan.
              Sgt.

          • eppe says:

            POG, I was thinking like Sgt. just said.

            But bringing up the incident fron 15+ years ago, and being aquitted, someone has to keep on mentioning it.

            I try to be very purposeful in what I write, then others will take it the wrong way anyway…

            No hard feelings?

        • Mountain Trekker says:

          WoW! And I thought you meant the really Karl Marx!

      • Illini Warrior says:

        the conspiracy was called American Idol …. ratings killed off both Jerico & Revolution – just like it kills off 50% of all new TV shows …

        • passinwiththewind says:

          I don’t know, I wouldn’t trade one “Breaking Bad” episode for ten Idols.

          Other than Carrie Underwood, most of the “Idol” winners, are just a grade or two above most of the better Karaoke singers, in the world. The woods are full of ’em, and they are like mushrooms waiting to be discovered or stepped on.

          The lead singer for Journey was discovered singing Karaoke, and I when I saw him live at the Coliseum, a few years back, I knew he was better than any Idol, except maybe Carrie. Amazing voices.

      • Braveheart says:

        Sarge, I’ve got the whole “Jericho” series on DVD. That was when CBS cancelled that show. Can’t be giving the people any ideas now, can we? [SARCASM]

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Brave
          I’ve got it to. I showed it to some of the Group and they went Oh. Crap could this happen. I told them just think about it and everyone with in a few days said YES!.
          I’m waiting for Revolution to come out in a complete package before I buy it.
          It still makes me wonder why they were taken off when the Patriots were just starting to retake the country. I have a hard time believing that American Idiot had that good of ratings.
          Sgt.

      • Anonymous says:

        I imagine they stopped the shows because they became unrealistic, boring and ridiculous and lost viewers.

        The first season presented some very good analytic thought of what a total loss of electricity would bring about.

        Second season was far less realistic and it was already becoming unrealistic by the end of it.

      • Northern Reb says:

        Sgt.
        Please explain what PPPOOOPPP is????
        LOL!!!
        Do you mean Poof!!! or Oh poop!!! we are back in the 1800’s. Just fun’n with you
        Just trying to light’n the mood, because a EMP or no satellites, means death and destruction all over the world. This would sure lower the population TPTB want!;-{
        S.T.S.F.P N. Reb

    11. swinging richard says:

      I have to think that we have the power to do the same things to them that they threaten to do to us.
      The Russians have always threatened a scorched earth policy as a deterrant back to the days of the doomsday machine. When Reagan had them on their knees, they were much more friendly.

    12. PO'd Patriot says:

      There isn’t anywhere in the above article where the word China can’t be substituted for U.S. as far as crying about what they (China) are doing up in space. God only knows what weapon systems we’ve got doe-si doe-ing around the planet.

      • Braveheart says:

        PO’d Patriot, we can thank Bill Clinton for giving away so much of our technology to the Chinese. However, I question the quality of China’s high-tech weaponry. Supposedly our own military are dependent on the Chinese for circuits, etc. It’s a safe bet the Chinese weapons have the same circuits our high-tech weapons have. Would be interesting to see how that turns out.

        • You are confusing the pimp and the whore.

          Clinton didn’t “give away” the MIRV technology. Clinton accepted big money contributions from Bernie Schwartz and then allowed Bernie Schwartz sell the technology to Red China.

          Take a time trip in the internet machine and you can retrace the droppings.

          • Aging Nazi says:

            Like I said before, as long as we can blame the jews, count ME in! And YOU had better start hating jews too if you want to get into ” heaven” with ME!

          • Idiots_Everywhere says:

            Except of course that he did and as you usually do, you found a Jew to blame instead.

            Maybe you should take a time trip in a book and stop being an idiot.

    13. conspiracy balls says:

      I guezz regan had it correct thr star wars project are thr start of ww3

    14. The Prophet says:

      Better add a hard hat to your bug out bags. When all those satellites come crashing down, you’re going to need one.

    15. Turnthekey says:

      Turn the keys………

    16. Enemy of the State says:

      ALERT

      White House on Lock Down

      Because someone was flying a toy near it

      ht
      tp://news.yahoo.com/white-house-reportedly-on-lockdown-after-drone-incident-181915886.html

    17. “…by transiting southward from the South Pole to avoid radar detection.”

      With program co-ordinates like that, it musta went in circles until it ran out of fuel and crashed…lol.

    18. Enemy of the State says:

      George Stephanopoulos busted for not disclosing donations to the Clinton Foundation

    19. I think the shadow government that operates in corporate DC is seriously paranoid or else they want complete control of the planet.

      Take your pick.

      You can’t blame these other countries for at least trying to gain parity with DC after seeing all the killing they and their banking friends have caused over the last hundred years or so.

    20. There’s an old movie with Jack Nicholson about a Martian invasion that illustrates corporate DC’s foreign policy to a tee.

      The Martians are mowing down people and buildings as they move through the city. The people are running for their lives. “But wait” said the Martians “We are your friends.”

      Spreading Democracy and Capitalism with a smile and a Hellfire missle.

    21. Enemy of the State says:

      Pallet homes

      pretty cool for a bug out shelter until you can build something

      or leave it that way

      100 pallets and bam..yer in

      ht tps://www.yahoo.com/makers/meet-the-coolest-most-versatile-construction-118734729535.html

    22. Spook89 says:

      So, I’m stuck with this real ugly Dish bill…Hey! I think I see a way outa this!

      • citizen says:

        Thought about this years before the advent of the drone.
        FAA says they have to fly within shotgun range. problem solved. It’s the ones at 40,000 feet ya gotta worry about.

        • Braveheart says:

          Citizen, if/when an EMP strikes, there won’t be ANYTHING flying in our skies, at least not any American aircraft. The electronics in those drones can be fried just like anything else electronic unless it’s in a faraday cage.

    23. KY Mom says:

      Nurse Returning from Sierra Leone Is First Ebola Case Diagnosed in Italy

      “The man, The New York Times reports, returned from Sierra Leone last week and only began exhibiting symptoms of the disease upon arriving in Sardinia, Italy.

      He traveled back from Italy through Morocco; World Health Organization (WHO) officials state that they will not monitor the individuals on the flights with the affected health care worker because he began showing symptoms 72 hours after arriving in Italy, and the virus is only contagious when a person shows visible symptoms.”

      http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/14/nurse-returning-from-sierra-leone-is-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-in-italy/

    24. Kevin2 says:

      We need to send them more industrial capacity and know how.

    25. GEO-LITHIC says:

      we have very few satallite’s left most are rented from europe and india

    26. Sgt. Dale says:

      .02
      Small drones like this would be a problem. I think I’m going to pick up some more BB and load up some 3″ and 2 3/4″ mag rounds for my 12 Ga. I think that might bring them down.
      The problem would be when you bring down the little one will his BIG BROTHER show up.
      Mite need some insight on how to bring them down. 7.62X51 or 7.62X54R or 7.62X63?????
      I know build my own and have it fight Air to Air!
      Sgt.

    27. aljamo says:

      What a farce! The real enemy is in D.C., these criminals are slaughtering people around the world and obviously can’t be stopped. Trillion dollar budgets to the Pentagram every year is pure insanity. This is nothing more than a fear inducing divergence to keep the war weapons flowing at the expense of the more important needs of American’s. Every dollar spent protects the treasonous usurpers that much more. There is no outside enemy of the American people besides Israel and their planted cronies in D.C., the other so called enemies are fabrications.

    28. Copperhead says:

      I’ve said it many, many times before the RINO’s McConnell and Boehner have to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a matter of fact they ALL MUST GO, every last one of them.

    29. WALKING DEAD says:

      I am not going to worry until I see Chinese air, land, and sea in this country.

      Time for another beer.

      I a wait a smart ass answer from somebody.

      • Northern Reb says:

        Walking:
        No smart a$$ answer here. IF, I do mean IF you see Chinese assists on the streets in the USA, it will be to late to worry. Enjoy your beer.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

      • Rellik says:

        Not very “smart ass”, but you won’t see PLA in America anytime soon. Their history and culture are all Asia Centric. My Mandarin instructor was a “Defector”, a very racist SOB. The Chinese just wants us to keep out, while they enslave and butcher everybody in Asia, this includes Europe as that stupid line at the Urals is an Western invention.
        The Pacific ocean is very big with a very long supply line. If you think they are going to run thousands of tanks across Alaska, and Canada you got something coming. Besides ethnic Chinese aren’t very good sailors or soldiers. They didn’t spend several millennia butchering each other in war like the Europeans did. Europeans mostly killed off all our stupid genes. Chinese cultivated their stupid is it is easy to control.
        Worry more about our local stupid the LIV Democrats than the PLA.
        Beside if they kill all our satellites they can’t put any of theirs in orbit, too much junk moving at 22,000 MPH.

        • slingshot says:

          Rellik.

          China has a population problem. How much of its land can be used for agriculture. Its water is contaminated and its air polluted.
          The Pacific as a food source, is dying with the contamination by Fukushima radiation. Add financial stress and it is a blueprint to war.

          EMP.
          Financial Collapse.
          Martial Law in the USA.

          The Big Three.

      • Kevin2 says:

        MIC is drumming up a bigger budget. The’ll get it too.

    30. Ass hat says:

      What’s wrong with made in China who cares does a made in China candle burn faster than one made in America. Does it really matter it’s cheap and does what it’s supposed to do for less$$$$$. This debate is stupid and played out I’ve seen made in America stuff that’s junk too. But because it says MIA it’s some how worth the extra$$. You cannot convince me to believe quality by the made in wherever label. Price does not always determine quality either. I’ve seen hyundais out last Chevys. Come with abetter warranty too. Americans don’t care about making quality products they just want to make it through the week and get cocked on the weekend. We piss our little paychecks. We live in the modern age of cheap consumer goods no matter where they come from. Most junk is comparable it’s the standards are low all over. Would you still buy wrangler jeans if they were $100 a pair just so your neighbor had a job in a sweat shop.

    31. Ass hat says:

      Enemy of state the pallet projects are a great way to build stuff. I do it my company throws out so many they fill up a 20 yardrolloff . The guys take them and burn them in their backyard furnaces. I’ve gotten other nice lumber like new sheets of plywood and 2x4s. I put a floor up in my attic so I can store stuff cost me nothing. I’ve seen some of the projects on you tube with pallets. You could build a rabbit hutch or chicken coop. You could build a nice free cabin with free pallets and other reclaimed free lumber. It would be a lot better than something built from the trees. For me I’d burn em you can put a crappy old blade on a skill saw and cut down to fit in the stove. Most are hardwood. I’ve seen some small crates that would be sweet to store stuff. 55 gal steel drums and blue plastic. One of the benefits of freight industry.

    32. eppe says:

      Walking, not to be a smart ass, but here’s a joke for all…

      A Polish man finds a genie in a bottle, one decades-old joke goes. The genie offers him three wishes.

      The Pole says, “I want the Chinese to invade Poland and then go back to China.”

      So it happens.

      For his next wish, the Pole also asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home.

      So it happens.

      For his third wish, the Pole again asks for the Chinese to invade Poland and go home.

      “I gave you three wishes,” the genie cries. “Why did you ask for the Chinese to invade Poland and then go home three times?”

      “Because they had to march across Russia six times.”

    33. fireman matt says:

      I would like to claim the phrase “The POP!” before the event happens. What did you do before the pop? Where were you when the pop happened? EMP, natural or not, localized or not, will reset everybody.

      Once the instant answers easily on demand stop for everyone, and you spend a week in the virtual dark.. Or months, Will anyone know how to use the books their grandparents own?

      I don’t have high hopes..

    34. Ass hat says:

      That drone would go down with 00 buck I need a field barrel now dammit. How about your own drone that can take down other drones. Maybe something simple like a potato gun that would be like hitting it with a 5lb hammer. Potato guns aren’t illegal. How about flaming crossbow bolts. I hate those stupid drones I don’t care who owns em. I don’t want them in my airspace. The biggest problem is they are cheap and anyone can afford one. They need to make them expensive like night vision.

    35. Kevin2 says:

      Off Topic

      I just seen something on TV out of the corner of my eye (my wife watches) that was quite interesting. On the TV show Blacklist, James Spader informed a pile of investigative reporters of the existence of a supra government that he referred to as “The Cabal”. He went through some of their actions like starting wars, economic control, price fixing, media control and more.

      There is no better way to discredit the existence of groups like Bulderburg and the Trilateral Commission then to put them on a fantasy TV show. They hid in the shadows like rats for years but their actions in the last few decades have been so bold as to make their existence more obvious.

    36. Alwaystomorrow says:

      Wow. I am truly overwhelmed. After a year of reading the SHTF site I can not decide what catastrophic event is going change my life.

      I thank god every day that I never bought gold or silver and kept ALL my and my wifes 401K’s in the stock market. Things have been nothing but excellent. Tomorrow ALL of it will moved out of stocks.

      People, make your own decisions and don’t react to everything you read something. Yes things are far from good but think and make decisions based on history and facts.

    37. Yankee by birth, Southerner by choice says:

      Does anyone else think that Free Slave is a fed? He seems to continually stir up shit without providing anything of value. Classic example of cointelpro….infiltrate a group and attempt to divide them by creating friction and getting people to fight against each other. I believe Free Slave is not one of us. Be wary of interacting with him. Notice how he spends so much time on here & continually misquotes people and flat out lies. Never anything positive contributed by him/her.

    38. Bigbluedrew says:

      The Chinese are still only spending a fraction on what we are on defense. If you are the premier of China and are watching the events unfolding politically and socially in the U.S. What would you do. We still have so many weapons classified and known that nobody could reasonably attack us and remain viable. Why should Russia or China( the only countries capable of hurting us militarily)precipitate a shooting war with us anytime soon? We are slowly destroying our nation internally at no cost to them Ina strategic sense. What does scare them I would guess is the thought of a Nazi style government with unfettered control at the top and what IT might do to the world in its lust for power. This is what I fear is propelling our enemies to ramp up their strategic capabilities so rapidly. Anybody who thinks the U.S. Wouldn’t retaliate immediately with our own EMP weapons and God knows what else is living in la la land. Everybody has got this shit, I just pray we have the sanity not to use them. The idea of over 240 million countrymen dead is to bitter to contemplate.

    39. sixpack says:

      This comment is for MAC.

      On your earlier article “A Relentless Push Into Totalitarianism: Are the Trans-Pacific Partnership and Jade Helm Interrelated?”

      POG posted enough info about Sgt Dale that just about anybody could probably find him now, just by reading her post. In other words, she and some other poster and BJ before that, just OUTED THE GUY, on your site, because he pissed her off. Then, some other person made sure to tie him up a second time.

      IMO, YOUR SITE IS NO LONGER SAFE FOR ANYONE WHO STILL CARES ABOUT OPSEC. My God, if you get comfortable here and post a few details about yourself, it is disconcerting to know that a fellow commenter would go to the trouble to scan for those details and break your personal privacy and security, if you disagree with them.

      If the CIA hadn’t put the numbers together on Sgt. Dale, POG and he co-complainer just did their homework for them. They don’t need much else, now he’s tied to this alternative site, even if they hadn’t gotten around to him yet. MAYBE POG SHOULD JUST SEND AN EMAIL STRAIGHT TO THE CIA and save them some time.

      I hope the other people here who prize their own security do what I’m doing now, and LEAVE THIS SITE.

      POG and the other one aren’t fully to blame though. YOU KNEW IT WAS OLD NEWS AND AS ADMINISTRATOR, YOU LET IT BE POSTED AS WELL. So you played your part in outing a long time poster’s personal information on your site.

      PEOPLE TRUSTED YOUR SITE AND YOU LET THEM DOWN. Maybe you spend too much time censoring comments on jews to get the real safety violations of people.

      I hope I run into some of the posters here on some other site, where they can have just a little bit of privacy, even if it is just from each other.

      Goodbye. SIXPACK OUT.

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        Sixpack:
        Please don’t leave because of what happened to me. You have very good advise for folks on this site.

        I want to thank you for coming to my defense.

        Maybe I would be better that I left site so there wouldn’t be so much strife, and people would help others more that trying to dig up dirt on someone.

        Some people just hate cops! Most of them have had bad experiences with LEO’s but most of them brought it on themselves, and can’t face fact that they messed up and caught. They just aren’t big enough to take the blame for their actions!
        Sgt.

      • Sgt. Dale says:

        Sixpack
        Don’t leave because of the stuff that was post about me. You have too much to add to the site.

        If anything maybe I will leave so there won’t be so much strife on the site.

        The turds that keep posting this stuff just don’t like cops. I know why they have gotten them self in trouble and don’t have the balls to admit they screwed up and they have to blame it on someone else.

        I posted around 0430hrs when I was eating lunch, but it doesn’t look like it went through. So I posted again.

        I do want to tell you THANKS! In my book you are and very fine person. Maybe some day we will meet, but until then, May God watch over you and yours!

        Sgt.

        • Enemy of the State says:

          I have to admit , I gave you a hard time when you came on.. I needed to see your character
          yes I do post a lot of links to the shit our boys in blue are pulling and you also have admitted that most of it is over reaching , i have respected you for that

          and i kindly am not one of those “Turds” you speak of
          100% clean record , never been behind bars .. a respected Business owner in my area , and I know quite a few police officers , and higher ups in the LE circles, have taken many tactical training courses , and been involved with the NRC’s security training, and RACS training with Dave Spaulding (sure you know of him, or should)

          just be careful with that broad brush ,, there are a lot of people who are watching the actions of LE , because if its happening to others it can come to that persons door someday

          as far as the opsec comment , opsec is only that one persons responsibility .. loose lips sink ships

          and against my better judgement I too have revealed things about myself on here that normally i would not

          Maybe its a comfort level thing, and we let our guard down thinking we can open up on the internet, that is a huge mistake we all need to learn

          I do have your six, if you’ll honestly have mine

        • slingshot says:

          SGT.Dale and Sixpack.

          We all been burned every once in awhile for stupid things we have done in life or for what we said. Learn from it and move on.

          We don’t have the “Do Over’s” like we had when we were children playing games. ;0)

        • I stick by the posts I made about law enforcement.

          The only thing I ever had was traffic tickets and the last one of them was in 1976.

          No victim, no crime…

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            JRS:

            Have I ever made any personal contact with you regarding anything to do about SGT, ever? And the same thing with BJ. I have never had any contact with him ever.

            Did I have anything to do with anything you or BJ posted about SGT?

            Sixpack has accused me of outing SGT; that is a lie. I never had ever persued looking into anything to do with the SGT, ever.

            Unfortunately I thought SGT called me a commie in a subject just before your post and I was mad at him. Thus I joined in your conversation.

            That was the extent of anything I had to do with “outing” the SGT. Period.

      • Six, the .gov knows exactly who is posting on all boards and can read your emails, hear your cell phone and watch and hear you through your tv. IP addresses on every post points right back at said person. Sgt Dale should have kept his id a bit more under wraps by not using his real name for starters, not giving clues to his where abouts and basically if BJ or POG tracked him, Sgt Dale is the one at fault for not keeping Op Sec.

        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          .02:

          I had NOTHING to do with tracking SGT. NOTHING! As a matter of fact when BJ first brought up the article sometime back I defended the SGT.

          Sixpack posting that I outed the SGT is a lie!

          • sixpack says:

            If I misspoke, I stand corrected, and if anapology is in order, please accept it. RP1776 seems to be the originator of this last round. Exactly who was it then, who recently said they had taken details they found here and used them to locate Sgt Dale, and the reported info? I’ve lost track of the posts. I guess those who got in on the feeding frenzy know who they are, I don’t need to point it out. It doesn’t really matter now anyway.

            However, that does not change the fact that we now seem to have more to fear from each other, than we do the govt. When people whom we felt just a little bit comfortable with, turn on us right in public, it shatters our trust.

            In other words, we can’t admit, even to ourselves, that the govt psy-ops is reaching us here, where we’ve been gathering to unify and educate ourselves. One of the few places in cyberspace where we could gather and exchange ideas. But no more. It has become a vicious shit fight around here.

            I guess I just can’t shake my home training.

            We NEVER aired our differences IN PUBLIC. If we had issues, and we had many, WE DEALT WITH THEM PRIVATELY. We screamed, yelled, boxed it out if we had to, but we didn’t make a public spectacle out of ourselves doing it. I HOLD TO THAT IDEAL, TO THIS DAY.

            This isn’t the Jerry Springer Show, is it? This site has crossed that line into senseless spectacle.

            I’m not defending Sgt Dale, as much as I’m pointing out that we’re turning on each other, like a bunch of hungry rats in a sewer. “shut you fucking mouth”, “why don’t you go kill yourself” and stuff like that is being spewed at people, people who hadn’t done anything but peacefully disagreed with somebody else.

            Some of us have become no better than the free shit army we hate so much. We’re even talking to each other with about as much respect, as we talk about them with…None. We’re beginning to stab each other in the back when it suits us, just like the FSA tends to do.

            We cluster together as long as we see something in it for ourselves, but we’ll back bite anyone within reach, at the drop of a hat. Not just insolent nips, but vicious, ripping jaws that aim to draw blood. THAT IS MY ISSUE WITH WHAT’S GOING ON HERE, not who in particular, outed Sgt Dale.

            It’s not just about “jews” anymore. It’s about vicious verbal attacks against people we don’t even know…just because we got mad and we can. As usual, the revelation of that one issue, quickly turned into supposition about whether the Sgt is a fed, a got plant or some other kind of usurper — FROM SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO APPRECIATED HIS PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND OPINIONS.

            Did anybody even ask Sgt Dale for his side? Or did he have to offer it on his own? There’s about enough LOYALTY in this entire group, to fill a thimble. Many people on here should be ashamed of themselves. Not because of their past mistakes, but for driving wedges into a site where other people are trying to establish alliances and security, for when the rest of this shitty world comes crashing down on us.

            We’ll have already crushed ourselves, if we keep going like this.

            This used to be the first place I came to find out what’s happening…NOW IT’S THE LAST.

            Hatred has shown itself here. Deceit. Treachery. There is no excuse for us to drive wedges between ourselves, there’s enough going on out there to do that…we don’t need to add to it.

            Nothing like playing a good pawn for the globalist agenda. Right on schedule too. Anybody who disagrees can go straight to hell. I can sling curses with the best of them. That just wasn’t the reason I came here.

      • And another thing, BJ came to my house. I took him out to my range and we shot distance. He is a great guy, with an awesome family. Was I worried about op sec? Hell no. We all should meet him and I have a feeling POG is a great gal as well. I hang out at many other sites and post or just watch, but this one seems to have a bit more cohesiveness amongst the group. There is not 24/7 flame wars here like on most the others.

        • GrandpaSpeaks says:

          It worked for Infowars, no comments anymore. Fear fatigue is capable of turning us on each other. We must realize that as the noose tightens on freedom’s neck, communication will become less clear and open to misinterpretation and be so by design for operational security purposes. And then it will disappear altogether. After that only the poets will speak the metaphors and when they hang the poets, it is done. We all take risks to comment here, this risk is the reason we have to. This site is a barometer and it is still visible though a little frosty lately. Enjoy it while you can, it is due to melt. Manos, are you still there?

          • GrandpaSpeaks says:

            Sixpack, take five, here is a hug from Grandpa.
            ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AukFsBv2oDY&list=RDAukFsBv2oDY#t=4
            Your magnetic ink suited our great computer.

      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Sixpack:

        I knew NOTHING of SGT’s background and I did nothing t “out” him about where he lived or worked!

        I posted NO links to anything having to do with SGT, none.

        You are accusing me of something I DID NOT DO Even SGT knows I am not the one who posted the story, Sixpack.

        Is it fun for you to not tell the truth?

        • granny pee pockets says:

          Yeah sixer, your keepin me from my rightful callin’ and that’s a hatin’ on the jews god dammit! Now leave ole’ granny alone so I can git back to doin’ ” Gods” work.

    40. Ass hat says:

      Six pack I agree that this site is an easy way to bag yourself. I try to keep my comments from getting me in trouble but there is a fine line. To track anything to us will be difficult sure they can track it back to our devices but devices can be shared and as long as the users agree to deny any accusations they don’t have anyone. I tell guys at work this no matter what even if you know who did it. You don’t know they will not punish all of us for one incident just because they can’t find out who did it. How the hell do I know 100 guys work here I’m not their keeper see what m saying. Nevertheless just don’t put things on the board that will be viewed hostile . If you’ve ever watched the show cops they push the suspect to an admittance of guilt the criminals on here are dumb. Never admit anything don’t even talk remember you have the right to remain silent. When you talk about it the interrogators can control the situation. They are experts at this.

    41. BIG SAD FACE says:

      I’ll miss you sixpack. Hope you have a change of heart soon me dear. Bye x

    42. STRAIGHT SHOOTER says:

      Anyone see the 70mm shotgun shell ?

    43. STRAIGHT SHOOTER says:

      CORRECTION

      The new experimental shotgun slug with lances and grooves?

      it is wicked see you tube video.

    44. aljamo says:

      Free speech is just that, no holds barred expressing whatever opinion you choose. Nobody has to agree or even read or listen. Free speech is what is under attack, if it is muted you are nothing more than a slave.

    45. Enemy of the State says:

      God Bless you BB King

      The Thrill is Gone , RIP

    46. Dennis M. says:

      Sources at the NTSB and Amtrak are now suggesting that “Something” may have taken control of the brand new COMPUTER CONTROLLED Siemens AG Locomotive which crashed in Philly a few days ago. Train was operating normally when it accelerated OUT OF CONTROL going around the curve and de-railed. http://6abc.com/news/amtrak-ceo-railroad-takes-full-responsibility-for-crash/718111/

    47. KY Mom says:

      Off topic…

      I don’t know all the facts of this case. But, I did find it frightening how quickly and easily the police just came and took away all the children.

      BREAKING: Police Seize 10 Children From Homeschool Family Because They’re Off-Grid

      “An off-grid homeschool family of 12 in rural Kentucky was raided, the mother arrested, and the 10 children seized simply because the government disagrees with their lifestyle and their educational choices, family members and friends say.”
      -Off the Grid News dot com

      UPDATE: 10 Children Of Homeschool, Off-Grid Family Placed In Strangers’ Homes In 4 Counties
      -Off the Grid News dot com

    48. KY Mom says:

      Bird flu spreads to 16 states, 33 Million birds have ether died or will be killed.

      States grapple to contain, prevent deadly bird flu from spreading

      “Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts declared a state of emergency on Thursday, after federal agriculture officials confirmed a second farm site had tested positive for the rapidly spreading avian flu virus.

      The declaration follows earlier, similar actions by governors in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa, whose states have all been hard hit by the ongoing bird flu outbreak that has led to the culling of more than 33 million birds in 16 U.S. states.”

      -Fox News

    49. Enemy of the State says:

      ht tp://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

      Federal Appeals Court to Police Officer: No, You Can’t Slap Cuffs on Peaceful Gun Owners

    50. Enemy of the State says:

      ht tp://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-refutes-cops-claim-fearing-life-shot-unarmed-boy-syndrome/#xFfzgpErgWOtpuDU.99

      Cop Shoots Unarmed Boy with Down Syndrome, Says He “Feared for His Life.” Video Shows He’s Lying…..< like thats a surprise

    51. Copperhead says:

      GOOKS in the wire everywhere you look.

    52. Frank Thoughts says:

      The US will never go to war with China: just look at the facts. Most of the US’s manufactured goods come from China: the US would grind to a halt pronto without China. China now also buys vast swathes of assets in the US, which keep the cash coming in to fund the US government and its war machine. And finally, the Chinese have placed backdoors in all the US military tech so they can disable the US military if and when they need to.

      I say make accommodation with rising China: enjoy the food, enjoy the p#ssy: you can’t do much about the situation. For your jollies, check out Moonraker from the 70s: great scenes of space battles with China.

    53. And here we are, over our collective heads in debt to China. Our elected officials using their positions and our tax dollars to advance careers and seek reelection.
      Our wealth has been squandered and we are massively in debt to our adversary.
      We have been sold a false picture of recovery and the MSM chooses not to notice as our Nations wealth is being stolen away.

    54. Ltpar says:

      Come on folks let’s get real here. Anything China has, the United States had fifteen years ago. If they have weapons in space targeting the U.S., you can almost take it to the bank that we know what and where they are and have our own weapons targeting them. Of course, our government will never admit to that, nor should they.

    55. Joe in JT says:

      I understand George Jetson is very concerned.

     
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