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    Where Gold Goes From Here

    Joshua Krause
    July 23rd, 2015
    The Daily Sheeple
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    gold-trap

    On Monday, the price of gold briefly fell to $1080 per ounce, which is the lowest price it has seen in 5 years. As of today, it still hasn’t returned to its previous level. This devastating crash, coupled with the downward trend that gold has seen in recent years, has left investors questioning the long-term fundamentals of gold. It wasn’t that long ago that gold sellers were promising nothing but gains for the foreseeable future, so it’s understandable that some folks would be skeptical of gold’s future.

    However, I think there’s an easy way to tell where gold is going long-term, and it has to do with gold’s status as a safe haven asset. Obviously, with the value of the dollar going up relative to other currencies, American investors have been ditching gold. Many of them trust the economy, and don’t feel the need to put their money in a safe haven. However, the dollar isn’t the only asset whose value has an inverse relationship with gold. You should also take note of its relationship with the stock market.

    Since most people believe (falsely I might add) that the stock market is indicative of the health of an economy, it too moves in the opposite direction of gold. Take a look at the price of gold over the past 30 years.

    gold price

    I’ve marked too very important moments in gold’s recent history. The red square is when it was at its lowest price in 2000, and the black square is where it was at its highest in 2012. Now take a look at where the stock market was at during those years.

    stock price

    As you can plainly see, gold was its lowest at the peak of the dotcom bubble, when the stock market had first reached such an absurd height. Gold continued to climb through the housing bubble, and its subsequent bust. It reached its peak at the same time that the stock market fully recovered from the crash of 2008 and 2009. The price of gold hasn’t stopped dropping while at the same time, NASDAQ hasn’t stopped climbing. Once everyone thought that the economy had recovered, they started to ditch gold, and haven’t stopped since.

    Market pundits are very busy right now, debating the causes of gold’s recent crash, but they’re largely ignoring gold’s macro trends. It goes up when the dollar stinks and the stock market crashes, and it goes down when those forces recover.

    So if you’re interested in gold, there’s really only one thing you need to consider. Are the current market forces sustainable? If you think that the dollar is stable and the stock market will continue to climb, or at the very least, won’t have any significant crashes, then gold isn’t for you.

    But if you think that the dollar’s current value is unsustainable, and you have doubts about a stock market that has surpassed the heights of the dotcom years, then now is an excellent time to buy. Its price may have more room to fall, but once our bubble economy bursts, there is one asset that every investor will covet.

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    Date: July 23rd, 2015
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    1. Zero says:

      My gold ain’t going anywhere

      • BluePrint says:

        Well if you need to use your gold to pay for Psychiatrist fees, this Psychiatrist in Toronto might run guys bankrupt:

        On July 21, 2015 approximately 09:35am to 09:55 am on the premises of the Ryerson Medical Centre, one of the physicians Dr. Sabeena Bala Chopra Registration #87545 uttered some unethical remarks which could put the safety of her patients, in particular, disabled patients and and minors at risk.

        Two appointments before July 21 2015, Dr. Sabeena Chopra was with a patient. This patient informed Dr. Chopra many times of allegations of childhood sexual abuse when he was a child. The patient was also diagnosed by a Psychologist of having a learning disability and possible developmental disorder which made his maturity level as one of a young teenager.

        However, Dr. Chopra decided to go into the Ryerson Medical Centre that day with a low cut top which exposed a questionable proportion of her breasts to the patient. The patient informed Dr. Chopra that he was feeling unwell with her breasts showing like that, and he encountered a sexual feeling which came back to the days he was sexually violated by allegedly his Grade 2 teacher.

        However, Dr. Chopra looked at the patient and told him, “What are you going to do about it?” and then she suggests that he take chemical castration measures to “lower his sex drive” . Kindly note that chemical castration is only done on repeat violent child molesters, and even in that case, many courts in the United States have viewed this to be unconstitutional as cruel as unjust punishment violating the 8th Amendment.

        On July 21, the patient tried to explain to Dr. Chopra that she acted recklessly. However, Dr. Chopra insisted that she has the right to dress how she wants in her medical office when dealing with patients.

        The patient then asked Dr. Chopra if she would dress like that in front of minors, in which she responded by implying that shouldn’t be an issue.

        Dr. Chopra persists with the patient that “she will find a way to make him less traumatized by her breasts” and the patient became very concerned because if she is showcasing her body in a sexual way to her patients and then using her authority as a physician to chemically castrate them and sedate them with other drugs, it is better to be safe than sorry and report her to the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons because her medical practice involves children, and children will not have that power to report inappropriate incidents such as those.

        A complaint was lodged to the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons, pending investigation.

        In the United States of America, local law enforcement would already be involved because a Psychiatrist who specializes in child psychology should know better than to expose her breast areas to adult victims of child sex abuse, blame the victim and then use her authority to drug the patient so that he/she would not complain about her.

        The Ryerson Medical Centre has received copies of the complaints, but the clinic has not responded because it appears that the clinic condones such behaviour by their Physicians.

      • sixpack says:

        I’m getting more while I can.

    2. hammerhead says:

      Can i buy gold with no money?
      LOL , It will never be cheap enough for me unless it hits silver prices .

      • Eagle 71 says:

        As of COB today, silver was $14.66/oz. Been hovering around that price for the last month. Even if gold tanks some more, I still can’t afford it. Silver however, is still (relatively) affordable, and will also rise in value when the SHTF, but will be easier to barter with too (I’m talking junk silver or silver rounds…not bars).

        • bars have a better “over spot” price than rounds do. APMEX is raping people on their premium (over spot price) where as their bars are still reasonable at $.59 to $,89 per oz over spot. Your best price is if you can afford the 100 oz bar. They still want in the $17 range for 1 oz. rounds…….crooks!

        • hammerhead says:

          “but will be easier to barter with too”

          how many folks ya know that have any idea what silver is worth .
          I know none .
          If it all goes tits up , i think we will have to deal with FRNS or something else for quite awhile before PMs will be widely accepted . just my thoughts .

          • anonymous4 says:

            @hammerhead….

            Enough people know the value of silver that it won’t take long before EVERYONE knows.

            If FRN’s assume their intrinsic value (i.e. the paper they’re printed on), it won’t take long before people start to reject them.

            Pre-’64 silver coins (dimes,quarters,halves) are easily recognizable.

            It won’t be as hard to figure out as you think.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

              The problem with pre- 1964 coins is that the coins are not a full coin. They are worn down, many missing the nice edges. Are they pure silver? No markings and besides nastalgia, I consider pre64 coins like junk silver. Id rather own a full 1 Oz rounds stamped .999 pure and no blemishes. I sold all my Pre 64 silver coins at $42 a few years ago near the high. And all they would give was scrap pricing. I laughed when I walked out with a pile of cash. Wonder who the dolt is now, holding my old silver coins at $42.

          • Kfilly says:

            Look at current events as your guide. The people of Greece are trying to use silver and gold to buy stuff. I bet they regularly were not using that to prior to their latest banking fiasco. They are also in a better situation as they stiff have access to the Euro. When the dollar becomes worthless, Amerikans won’t be so fortunate.

          • DavyCrockett says:

            Silver is used in EVERY ELECTRONIC DEVICE THERE IS. At $14.00 per troy ounce, the miners won’t even TRY TO GET IT OUT OF THE GROUND. Then see what the price goes to.

        • CarolinaBuckeye says:

          Just received another shipment this morning. Stack ’em while you can. If we live long enough maybe a great investment for the kids one day.

      • Maximus says:

        “Lessons from Afghanistan”

        “I never saw anyone using gold or silver as a de facto currency. What was used? American Dollars, Euros, firearms and ammunition, gasoline/diesel, canned goods, hand tools, and skill sets. By skill sets, I mean it was not uncommon to see an Afghani mechanic trade a repair job on a vehicle for a goat or canned food. Remember, skill sets are more important than expensive gear.”

        Just do a search on the heading.

        I think that we make way to much out of this precious metal thing.

        Max

        • talon1776 says:

          In the words of the great Ed McMahon…
          You are correct sir!
          As for anon4 presuming things will settle down and values will be determine on PM’s…
          Not true…this a paradox to suggest that no matter what happens..the basic premises will stay the same. The world has never experience this kind of global take down…nor has it ever in any measure had fiat currencies all tied in to determine value by electronic means…all of this is new paradigm..and all of this was design to fail…just look at the Euro for your latest example. The economies of the past are a bad comparison when you are trying to convey that all will be well “when things settle down”.

          Live Free or Die…value is based on demand…not PM’s
          Talon1776

        • Nels says:

          I’d give 5 thumbs up. Abilities and evaluation of goods. Heck, that takes out taxes! Vive la Boston Tea party! Lol

        • anonymous4 says:

          @Maximus…

          The Afghan people are as a whole, dirt poor. Hard to acquire precious metals when you doing good to just get by. They are also tribal and the concept of any kind of common currency is pretty much foreign to them. Of course they used American dollars. The dollar is still the world’s reserve currency. When it no longer is, they will not be so inclined to use them.

          No argument on skill sets being your most important asset. But what do you do when someone has something you need, they are willing to sell it, but don’t particularly need whatever skill it is that you have?

          This is the purpose of money. It is simply a means transferring what is a commonly recognized item of value for something else of value. The advantage of it is portability. You don’t have to haul it in something (unless of course you’re talking about Zimbabwe dollars or 1920’s era Reichsmarks).

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

            Anon4. I bet close to Nobody in Afghanistan used US Currency before our thugs invaded the Country under the guise of looking for one mastermind criminal. Oh yeah they spread their love in US Currency like it was pallets of popcorn. The US soldiers would shoot one of their cows and then pay them thousands of our US Money for their killing and rape of their countryside resources.

        • Dr Prepper says:

          2 sides to every coin. Go to youtube and do a search on zimbabwe Gold for Bread

      • Stan522 says:

        Buy gold, or use your brass and lead to hunt for some later…..

        There will be plenty of the elitist’s who support this moronic administration that will be more than willing to give it up with the right persuasion…..

      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        gold is for INVESTING….it’s not for protecting you from bad things happening…..that’s what beans, bullets, and bandaids are for…buy THAT shit FIRST!…..if you got money to INVEST, then buy some PM’s…..wish these people that don’t know what investing is would realize that.

    3. talon1776 says:

      I have said this time and time again….
      What are you going to redeem your gold for?…worthless FRN’s?
      This is a fools dream and paints a nice golden target on your back!!!
      Again…who will determine the value of the shiny pet rock? What markets will there be available to sell your fools gold in a SHTF event…provided you even survive this event at all!!!

      Live Free or Die..a fool and his gold are soon parted
      Talon1776

      • hammerhead says:

        I agree , talon , But i believe it is worth havin at least some PM’s around .
        I like the shiny silver coins and try to have enough around to pay the land taxes on the farm .
        Maybe i will not ever be able to do so , but i can still give the kids some shiny coins when i die , bcuz thats probably all they will get.

        • talon1776 says:

          Hammerhead…
          I supposed that all that you have said could actually happen…if the existing market paradigm survives…but you and I know that whoever determines what gold or any PM will be worth during and after a SHTF event…will again be a manipulator of greed and a subjugator.
          I have posted in the past on who will be the real winner in a reestablished economy…and that entity is the farmer…Food is the real Gold.
          But I feel ya…we all would like to create a better chance for our children…but if the paradigm is lost…then your children will have nothing to look forward to with shiny pet rocks for which they will no idea what to do with them. It will be dangerous to flash PM’s in a world WROL. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day…Teach him how to fish and he eats for a lifetime….as long as he’s not fishing in the Pacific ocean (sigh)
          Be well brother…I know you have great love for your children and our country.

          Live Free or Die…teach your children well
          Talon1776

          • anonymous4 says:

            You guys really do need to educate yourselves on this just a little bit.

            https://economicsandliberty.wordpress.com/what-is-money/

            And ask yourself….What has history taught us regarding money?

            Here’s a hint……It’s not different this time. The world has seen this kind of thing before. Study history to see who got hurt in times of financial turmoil, and who came out on top.

            Here’s another hint…the guys coming out on top usually weren’t holding fiat currency from the previous folks running the show (How did the value of Confederate dollars hold up after the Civil War?)

            If you want a lesson regarding fiat currency or worthless commodities, read this:

            http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/

            And this:

            https://mises.org/library/revolutionary-france%E2%80%99s-road-hyperinflation

            In a real SHTF situation, the argument can be made that people are only going to want commodities that have immediate, practical use. But eventually…..things will settle down, and at some point, some medium of exchange will emerge that does not require a truck and trailer to haul around, or dicker about all day long in order to determine the value. And that’s where PM’s have historically ALWAYS become the standard.

            In preparing for SHTF, you want to have your necessities covered first. But if you’re in good shape there, it doesn’t hurt to have some PM’s set aside for future trade.

            • hammerhead says:

              Your old school dude , listen up ! We live in a digital age and the next currency rammed down our throuts will be digital.
              Now assumeing we arent bombed or EMP attacked and left in the middle ages , digital WILL be the next currency.
              So i sit on the fence , i understand PMs , but the “does not apply” factor may come into play here .
              Believe me friend, they can make PMs useless in a heartbeat to all but a few black marketeers.
              So hedge you bets in all directions or be left behind.

              • anonymous4 says:

                And what happens to your digital money when the grid goes down?

                That’s the problem with the bit coin concept. Lose the grid and your “wealth” goes Poof!

                Nothing wrong with hedging your bets. But paper assets, or assets that involve counter-party risk will be big time losers when SHTF. And there is no guarantee they will have any value once the reset takes place.

                As an example I give you……Confederate dollars. They are a nice conversation piece, but virtually worthless as a currency.

                It is NOT “different this time”.

                Gravity is old school too. But it still applies.

              • Cabin Fever says:

                I totally agree with this statement. When everything crashes, there will be an intermediate time of bartering and such. But the majority of people don’t realize that after that time period the hammer is going to come down. Things will not settle down- millions will die. There is a battle to control you and turn you into the slave that they desire. This will be the battle to end all battles. The same people who have been selling planned parenthood babies for many DECADES feel the same way about YOU. Unless you’re a slave and somehow making money foe them, they want you dead. This is where we’re at. Get right with Jesus- things are going to turn to shit and there is no going back.

            • talon1776 says:

              Just one question anon4…
              Who’s gonna be in charge of determining PM values when it “settles down”?
              The current elitist?
              The CBOT?
              Jaime Diamond?
              The London Whale?
              Rothschild’s?
              They are all crooks!!!

              I recall a StarTrek the next generation episode when Picard was asked about the value of things…his answer was…we did away with money payments and that everything was a shared effort…utopian slavery.

              Live Free or Die…never let them back in!
              Talon1776

              • hammerhead says:

                “everything was a shared effort”

                Its hollywierd promoting socialism again.
                Just “Imagine” a world with no possessions .

                Worked out well for centuries , YA RIGHT .

                • sixpack says:

                  Actually, I’d prefer a “shared effort” to half of us doing the work to support the other half for free.

                  Shared effort is the true paradigm of Anarchism. Where everyone does what they can to contribute to the good of ALL…not some.

                  • laeagle says:

                    SP,

                    Where did you come up with this ‘true paradigm’ stuff. Sounds like a definition for socialism not anarchism. Unfortunately socialism does not work.

                  • sixpack says:

                    You’re right laeagle, socialism doesn’t work, because it takes from one (against their will, I might add) to support another who won’t support himself/herself.

                    I would respectfully suggest you hold your remarks until you study the true tenets of Anarchism. Not the MSM/govt view of it, but the real philosophy. I already did.

                    Anarchists believe that everyone who can, should pull their own weight, and that we can do what we need to do, without a government gun to our heads to force us into compliance. Anarchism takes care of people who need help, willingly, as a humanitarian act of kindness.

                    Isn’t that what a few of us here say we’d probably do if necessary? I believe so. WE don’t care to have a govt gun pointed at our heads, forcing us to comply, either.

                    You will probably say that this idea is “Utopian” and unrealistic, and it absolutely is—but only because mankind has become so animalistic, greedy and selfish that it can’t be done at this point…not because it couldn’t work under other circumstances.

                    WE are our own worst enemies.

              • anonymous4 says:

                @talon1776…..

                The same thing that has always determined the value of anything…..the market place.

      • Old Nam Vet says:

        Gold and Silver will useless: I agree with you Talon
        GOD’S WORD® Translation:
        They will throw their silver and gold into the streets like garbage. Their silver and gold won’t be able to rescue them on the day of the LORD’s anger. It will no longer satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs. Their silver and gold caused them to fall into sin.

        • Kfilly says:

          I don’t think that will happen right away. I think gold and silver will have some use for awhile. Then, I see all physical currencies getting eliminated as the digital Mark of the Beast system gets initiated. The mark will be required for all purchases. No metals, no cash, no credit cards allowed. Also, the reference to gold and sin being worthless is that it will not buy people out of God’s judgement.

          • anonymous4 says:

            @Kfilly…..

            The Bible says that there will be those who resist the anti-christ and his rule.

            I think we can assume there will be some form of underground, black market economy.

          • oicu812 says:

            Agreed. PM’s will still have use and value until a few things happen.

            One of those things could be a total collapse of the current dollar as an accepted world petro exchange.

            Another is if that happens and a new exchange is set up as what has been referred to as the North American exchange (Amero-possibly), which includes Canada and Mexico, and that exchange is not backed by silver or gold, nor any coinage which uses those metals.

            Thirdly, comes the dreaded martial law concept, whereby all silver and gold are deemed property of the Fed/gov, and are not negotiable for payment after a ratio exchange for what ever is replacing those former accepted rates.

            What did the Fed say? “We will accept all silver and gold, bullion or coinage, as a unit of exchange based on a pennies on the dollar ratio, until a certain date and time. After that date, all silver and gold will be deemed non transferable, and any person holding such will be held in contempt of martial law court”.

            Don’t say it can’t happen, especially with the goons in charge today.

            • Plan twice, prep once says:

              Under FDR’s executive order on gold (silver was not included) only a handful of people were ever prosecuted.

              If you hold gold bars you may have trouble, but low volume sales of gold jewelry and gold coins with even minor numanistic value never stopped. Most people with gold just kept quiet until FDR was out of office. Then it was little trouble to unload it a little at a time.

              Most of the people prosecuted were caught while warrants for other crimes were being exercised.

              The one famous case where gold was found in a safe Deposit box there was a warrant for other crimes. And they were looking for hidden money, gold met that criteria. That case led to the Myth that the government was searching safe deposit boxes.

              It’s all crap. But to be safe gold in the form of old jewelry or coins is best. I heard of preppers who troll pawn shops and buy jars full of old rings. The same pawn shops will buy them back after the financial disaster starts to straighten out.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

                Lots of Gold Coin Fakes out there. The PM dealer I buy fromsaid he had a fake Kugoran tje otjer day. He said he electonically tests every coin or round he buys or sells. PMs is a market of integrity and reputation.

        • anonymous4 says:

          @Old Nam Vet…

          It might be a good idea to read that verse in its context. It was a prophesy against Israel. And if you will read further you will see that their silver and gold did not lose it’s value, it was simply going to be taken by those invading them.

          Their silver and gold was of no value to them because they were being conquered and destroyed.

          I would submit that in that situation, NOTHING would be of much value.

        • Anonymous says:

          Silver and gold were the money of that time, so to bring it into context for today you can substitute the word “money” for the words “silver and gold”.

          FWIW, the Bible says far more about money than it does either prayer or salvation, pay attention to it.

          • anonymous4 says:

            You missed the point of the entire passage. The point of the passage was that they were going to enter into a period of judgement so severe that their silver and gold could not buy their way out of it. It wasn’t that their silver and gold had no value….it just had no value to THEM. They were doomed to destruction. Dead people don’t need much of anything.

            Here’s an interesting article that states that this passage may have been particularly speaking of the Holocaust.

            http://www.amoroden.com/ezekiel7.html

            I assure you that any gold and silver cast into the streets would be quickly retrieved.

        • Airborne71 says:

          AMEN , O N V

      • Stan522 says:

        I agree talon. If our world crumbles and our monetary system collapses, it will be the strong and well armed people who get what they want. Maybe eventually there would be value in trade, but I don’t see it happening quickly.

      • Mark says:

        Talon, if you cant afford gold just say so. You sound like a fool belittling the store of wealth that has been used world wide for thousands of years.

      • viper says:

        Gold is not for redeeming for FRN’s after a currency collapse.

        Gold is for acquiring land and other assets, when people cannot afford it after a currency collapse.

        Gold is to preserve your wealth for when the repricing of gold happens, on the other side.

        Silver will be your everyday money, after the initial three month shock wears off.

        Cash will be king for the first three months.

        You do not know the first thing about silver and gold in the monetary sense.

    4. RAT TRAP says:

      And you’ve been caught.

    5. BluePrint says:

      On Monday, the price of gold briefly fell to $1080 per ounce, which is the lowest price it has seen in 5 years. As of today, it still hasn’t returned to its previous level.

      The Canadian dollar is devaluing too.

    6. talon1776 says:

      Invest in Lead and Steel Core…
      At least you can see a real result on your investment that will really be beneficial to you and our country.

      Live Free or Die…Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
      Talon1776

    7. Interest rates are still very low, but rising – and they will go higher, faster, if the Fed ever actually raises rates.

      Precious metal prices generally run counter to interest rates – because precious metals are not interest bearing assets. The Fed probably will raise rates soon, because their focus is on propping up the equity and real estate bubbles. This will drive money out of precious metals and (presumably, the Fed is hoping) into equities and real estate.

      Doesn’t look too good for bonds, either.

      I won’t even look at gold while it’s over $900/ozt., and I probably won’t buy until it’s well under that price.

      • anonymous4 says:

        When the dollar loses “reserve currency” status, interest rates will go through the roof.

        Look for SHTF shortly thereafter.

        • oicu812 says:

          Imagine still having a job when the dollar crashes, but the Feds. raise mortgage rates to 20%. The gold bullion stacked in the gun safe, that everyone said would go to $3500.00 an ounce, is now less than the $1500.00 an ounce you paid for it; actually about half of that. And to boot, it was all of the kids college fund.

          Now, house payments consume 80% of your income, and next the property tax rates double, so you have another monthly payment just to pay taxes, plus the insurance.

          The kids are crying because there is no Captain Crunch in the cupboard, and you can’t ever see your way to debt freedom.
          Do you pack up the SUV and mini-van, and head to Grandma’s, permanently? Or hold on to a dead in the water dream, to only later get evicted from the home you, just had to have.

          Those big ass, 4000 sq. foot palaces, for a family of four, will someday be like a financial prison. Oh yea, ” we felt big and mighty rich for a while, kids”.
          The liberal leaning parents didn’t teach their children the right things, they made them believe they were entitled to live like kings, and forget about the laws of God.

          Our kids, might whine and piss and moan about not having as many nice things as little johnny and Susie Rich down at the Country Club, but they sure as heck will know about how to keep their soul from going to hell.
          Thanks to Momma.

    8. Anonymous says:

      If you were smart you got rid of your gold when it was over $1,900.

      Gold goes in slow motion spikes that accelerate towards the top (which signifies to get out as soon as it starts down again instead of buying or holding hoping it will go higher).

      Next spike will probably be around $3,000, maybe higher, but it could be another 20 or more years before it does it. Meantime it’s collapsing and everyone with any significant amount is trying their best to get rid of it as fast as they can (which is why it is crashing). It’ll probably stabilize for a while at around 700 and either stay flat for a very long time or head lower for a shorter time before starting back to 700.

      If you really want to hold gold and have some on hand, best idea is to dump it now and buy back more when it is cheaper with the proceeds.

      Same for silver, but an economic hit on world industrial production (recession) could completely kill it since a large amount is consumed in industry mitigating price losses.

      Sell what you got and buy it back when it’s cheaper.

      • TnAndy says:

        And do what with the federal reserve notes ? I would about bet any physical thing you can list I’ve already got plenty of….

        • Anonymous says:

          Save them and use them to buy a larger quantity of gold and silver when the price drops.

          You basically increase the amount you hold that way without having to invest more new money into them.

          • TnAndy says:

            THAT assumes you have a crystal ball and know what the future brings. Quite easy to make that call AFTER THE FACT, huh?

            AND if you did sell a large quantity, you’d have a 28% federal tax to pay on it (considered a ‘collectible’).

            SO, personally, I don’t give a crap if gold goes back to the 300-500 range I bought it in….in fact, if it does, AND one can actually find any for that price, I’ll mortgage the farm this time around.

      • TnAndy says:

        And do what with the federal reserve notes ? I would about bet any physical thing you can list I’ve already got plenty of….

        No, my metals are sitting tight in a hole….waiting to see how things play out as to which of many holes I dig up.

    9. retired says:

      I have a hunch that China’s Yuan is going to get accepted as a new part of the IMF’s basket of currencies (SDR’s).China is buying huge amounts of gold which may be part of the deal.If China,& Russia & India are continuing to buy great amounts of gold this is good enough for me,they are all insiders & know what they are doing!

      • sixpack says:

        Yeah, if gold was so “worthless”, then govts and the elites wouldn’t be investing in so much of it. Especially governments, to back their currency or use the value for getting loans from world banks.

      • oicu812 says:

        Yep they do, and I would be willing to bet that gold will rise if the Yuan is the new world currency and is backed by gold, but…

        the feds will not accept gold for the new American currency, nor the Yuan. How the hell will gold reserves be worth anything in america?

        I guess you could sell gold via ebay China, and then exchange the Yuans for say, rice?
        The shipping charges for rice from China to Turkeyfoot, West Virginia, might be cost prohibitive. LOL!

    10. Satori says:

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    11. MM2Nuke says:

      I can’t afford gold or silver but brass @$3/# at the scrapyard, lead scraps for free or .65¢/# and bullet molds for everything from .223 to 12 ga slugs for $17-$37(6 cavity lee mold), and I have a trade commodity forever. $6/box of 9mm, $11/box 44magnum, $8/box .308 225 gr hardcast, etc my cost… Priceless after a collapse..
      Gotta make a trip to the scrapyard for more lead soon..

      • BluePrint says:

        Female doctors in Toronto Canada are allegedly using their breasts as measures of exchange:

        On July 21, 2015 approximately 09:35am to 09:55 am on the premises of the Ryerson Medical Centre, one of the physicians Dr. Sabeena Bala Chopra Registration #87545 uttered some unethical remarks which could put the safety of her patients, in particular, disabled patients and and minors at risk.

        Two appointments before July 21 2015, Dr. Sabeena Chopra was with a patient. This patient informed Dr. Chopra many times of allegations of childhood sexual abuse when he was a child. The patient was also diagnosed by a Psychologist of having a learning disability and possible developmental disorder which made his maturity level as one of a young teenager.

        However, Dr. Chopra decided to go into the Ryerson Medical Centre that day with a low cut top which exposed a questionable proportion of her breasts to the patient. The patient informed Dr. Chopra that he was feeling unwell with her breasts showing like that, and he encountered a sexual feeling which came back to the days he was sexually violated by allegedly his Grade 2 teacher.

        However, Dr. Chopra looked at the patient and told him, “What are you going to do about it?” and then she suggests that he take chemical castration measures to “lower his sex drive” . Kindly note that chemical castration is only done on repeat violent child molesters, and even in that case, many courts in the United States have viewed this to be unconstitutional as cruel as unjust punishment violating the 8th Amendment.

        On July 21, the patient tried to explain to Dr. Chopra that she acted recklessly. However, Dr. Chopra insisted that she has the right to dress how she wants in her medical office when dealing with patients.

        The patient then asked Dr. Chopra if she would dress like that in front of minors, in which she responded by implying that shouldn’t be an issue.

        Dr. Chopra persists with the patient that “she will find a way to make him less traumatized by her breasts” and the patient became very concerned because if she is showcasing her body in a sexual way to her patients and then using her authority as a physician to chemically castrate them and sedate them with other drugs, it is better to be safe than sorry and report her to the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons because her medical practice involves children, and children will not have that power to report inappropriate incidents such as those.

        A complaint was lodged to the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons, pending investigation.

        In the United States of America, local law enforcement would already be involved because a Psychiatrist who specializes in child psychology should know better than to expose her breast areas to adult victims of child sex abuse, blame the victim and then use her authority to drug the patient so that he/she would not complain about her.

        The Ryerson Medical Centre has received copies of the complaints, but the clinic has not responded because it appears that the clinic condones such behaviour by their Physicians.

      • sixpack says:

        Go to a scrap yard for lead tire weights. They’ll let you pull off tons for cheap.

    12. coolclo says:

      After a dead cat bounce of about 40-60%, i am looking for Gold to test support at 681.

      • TnAndy says:

        Yeah….and the premium per ounce will be 400 bucks. Spot price is almost meaningless anymore when they can run it down by selling forward a year’s worth of mining in a split second.
        The commodity regulators are totally bought and paid for.

    13. Jim in Va. says:

      Durable goods,food,water,tools,clothing,barter items….

    14. Asshat says:

      When it comes to commoditys the things people use everyday will be valuable gasoline and diesel will be vital unless you got horses and wagons. Few have horses most have cars and trucks. Moving materials and goods without affordable acquirable fuels will be impossible. The gov will go to war for oil they have before. Food of course goes without saying. What about labor this is a commodity if you can’t climb a flight of stairs without huffing your not gonna manage a garden or cut and split firewood and someone with the ability to do this will have to be bartered with to get things done. But me I will be busy with my own shit and have no more energy to do anyone else’s chores. In a time of serious shtf you won’t have enough help hell people don’t wanna do work now. Why do you think there were labor camps in ww2 people had to be forced to work. The new labor camps are corporations now. The only thing is you are free to leave if you want but they know most won’t because they have family’s to take care of. When obummer declares martial labor will be forced.

      • sixpack says:

        Dude, you’re assessment is kinda narrow-minded. Example? I’m disabled and can’t walk without a walker—BUT, I can, AND HAVE sat next to a pile of wood and split a cord by myself. I don’t need my legs to swing an axe or a splitting maul. I can still work a hand saw, a hammer and other tools like that. I just can’t pack lumber anymore. I also don’t need to be able to run up stairs. Then I’ve for about half a century of knowledge and experience to share.

        Maybe someone needs to shingle a hole in their roof, but don’t know even the first thing—I DO. I can teach them how, from the ground.

        Disabled people may not be as useless and doomed as you seem to think.

    15. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Blue print, that is the most bizarre crap I have ever read in awhile.

      This whole country is one hell of a cluster f….k. only in America you see this type of crap?

      A man tried to rape me when I was 10, I almost dug his eyes out and ripped his fu…k…g throat out, kicked him In his balls, as he screamed in pain, one kick right kick to the f…j… g ribs. I was practicing. My father says I must learn to be respectful of adults and that I have a bad attitude. Well I don’t drop my pants for adult men sorry..Now these gay pricks can marry.

      I never listened to sh.. t my father told me when I was kid.. My father kept talking crap about me watching too much Bruce Lee movies. You see I started to practise the moves I saw Bruce Lee do, little did I know I was going to have to use it one day. At least my azz is still intact and I am fully retentive..if I ever catch another man trying to attack a child or woman I won’t be able to castrate him, but I will crush his balls and he would have it surgically removed or die to possibly infection as a result of his crushed balls. I have a zero tolerance policy for rapist and child molesters, so I am not interested in listening to the pope who supports a Vatican full of 10,000 pedofile..priest telling me what the f..k to do, fu….k him. What I practice today as martial artist is far worst than Jeet Kundo, its SI Lat..let’s see how the chi- com soldiers fare when they try to detain me in Walmart..I fight on the ground I am not into that summer salting crap you see in movies, that crap does not work on me.

    16. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Anonymous4, you actually have a good point I taught about that same thing but I have to agree with hammerhead, is post shtf. Only practical items will be a commodity in such and environment. Since Texas has made some adjustments, it may be proctor assuming that are unable to attack Texas and levy conditions for such use, then it may be practical, but then again, hammerhead nailed its it’s looking more like some type of callapse cluster f..k of some type pending? Then again, we must get ready just incase.

      • anonymous4 says:

        I really have no argument with your point…

        I’ve stated as much in the past.

        I look at PM’s as being mostly for “after the dust settles”. And I think also stated previously that necessities are the first order of business. If you don’t have the basics, PM’s are not going to do you much good in the beginning of SHTF.

        But at some point, when people have begun to sort it out, there will be a demand for a means of conducting trade that does not require you to haul all of your possessions around with you. The problem a strictly barter economy is that it becomes complicated. Eventually you come across someone who has something you need….but YOU won’t have something that THEY necessarily want or need. It becomes cumbersome. THAT is why we have money in the first place. It’s a medium of exchange. And I guarantee you that once SHTF takes place, and people do start to want to trade with a currency…it’s not going to be paper.

        • sixpack says:

          “I look at PM’s as being mostly for “after the dust settles””

          Isn’t that what our preps/food storage is for? Getting us through the hardest time, till we can start rebuilding?

          It seems useless to prepare for surviving the most hardest of times, without realizing that if you’re successful, you’ll need to rebuild and prosper “on the other side”.

          • oicu812 says:

            That is precisely the problem,sixpack, there isn’t gonna be a backside.

            Things get progressively worse, until the Lord returns.
            It is all in the book.

            • sixpack says:

              I respect your right to hold that thought, but personally, I am a Christian, and I’m not counting on that. If I leave this lifetime, so be it, but if for some reason I don’t, I want to be able to continue on until it is my time to go. That means planning for an aftermath.

              If you truly believe this is Armageddon, then why bother to prepare at all? Just make your peace and wait for “the inevitable.”

    17. WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

      Regarless of the price of Silver, I have not lost a single ounce round yet. I bet for 1 Oz Silver round I could go to the local tavern, order a fat steak and a few beers for that 1 Oz. Round. Yes Sir and I have enough to do that every day for the next several years. I will buy more at this drop in price. If you liked Silver at $16, you will really like it at $10. Which I say which could be the bottom looking at long term charts. Average down and save more. After the shorts cover, watch silver spring board back to $20 / Oz. In a few days.

    18. aljamo says:

      At this point silver has not been a good investment, most people who have bought it in the past 5 years are likely losing money at the present value, unless you sold it when it neared 50 dollars a few years back. Who do you believe, some say it could fall to 10 dollars or even less coming up. I don’t believe any of this hype about buy now while the getting is good.

      • anonymous4 says:

        I have never bought any PM’s as an investment. I’ve bought them as a hedge against collapse of the monetary system.

      • TnAndy says:

        Gold is NOT an ‘investment’. Gold is money. The prices of things go up and down, even in paper currencies. Gold is the last, best form of money….held until all crappy paper currency is spent and gone. Gresham’s Law.

      • Archivist says:

        You don’t lose on silver unless you sell it for paper money. PMs are money, not investments. They are basically worth the same throughout history when compared to other commodities. That’s why they’re money, and why there wasn’t much inflation while we were using good gold and silver as money. Over 50 years ago, a silver dime would buy a loaf of bread. Today, that same dime is still worth a loaf of bread.

        The only point of the silver and gold prices is that when the prices go down, you can buy more. That’s what the Chinese were doing the other day. They made the gold price go down so they could buy even more.

    19. MGTOW says:

      HEY BLUEPRINT, STOP POSTING ALL THAT SHIT.

    20. taxedn2poverty says:

      Gold is a joke after teotwawki. Hey, I’ll give you three tons of gold for a snickers bar. Sweetheart we haven’t eaten in a week, do you mind if I give up our last Snickers for three tons of gold. Splat! People, get off of this gold kick. Any site that sells gold, advertises gold, or pleads the sanity of owning gold is not a website at all. It is nothing more than a carrier article to generate revenue through the sale of gold and other worthless metals. People in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Pompeii had gold. WHOOPI!

      • They also had food, water, and other commodities… none of which did them any good because the events which struck those 3 locales were cataclysmic and wiped out the populations… so, yeah, gold doesn’t work in situations where you die.

      • TnAndy says:

        And folks like you ASSUME there will be teotwawki…..nuclear war, a 6 mile wide asteroid, EMP, etc.

        You know what the MOST LIKELY thing is to happen ? Just what is happening and has been happening since 1913….a long, slow, depreciation of out ‘money’ by a system build on debt as money.

        SO the most LIKELY thing is you’re going to be old, and broke, about the time the real financial SHTF happens, and won’t even have the social welfare programs to keep you eating. THAT is why folks from previous centuries saved money….banking their labor of today for a time when they could labor no more. AND THEY SAVED REAL MONEY….not shit the govt and banksters could make more worthless every day.

    21. Airborne71 says:

      I cannot agree with the author at all. He is leaving out one important factor. That is: This “president” will, when crash hits, OUT LAW the purchase and possession of GOLD AND SILVER !! He will confiscate every bit of it. He will issue more directives that will force every citizen to turn it in. F D R did exactly the same thing back in the 20s when the last big crash hit. Don’t think that this one we got now won’t do the same, he will. And forget those “collector Coins” he will go after those as well Anybody who buys gold or silver is going to be taken to the cleaners because they will not get a fair value for what they turn in. This will be one of the biggest screwing’s the American people have ever had. If you buy gold or silver, you will loose big time.

      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Yep and whoever that black bastard sends to collect it will pay in blood. Same as anything else I own they wanna take.

        • Airborne71 says:

          PO’d Patriot , Do you think that whoever they send to your house is just going to let you gun then down?!?!? Good Luck with that . Who ever they send will more than likely be a PRO , Want to go up against SF , or Rangers or Paratroopers or a SWAT TEAM ? Fine go ahead but say your prayers first, you won’t much of a chance after the bullets fly.

      • anonymous4 says:

        I’ll turn my PM’s in along with my guns.

        (Sorry….no way to reflect sarcasm here)

        When I turn in my stuff, you’ll know that hell has officially frozen over.

        • Airborne71 says:

          I believe you to be Correct anoymous4 I may have had my date wrong but my point was to let those who read my post know that it has happened before and will again….Be well and keep on Prepping !!

      • taxedn2poverty says:

        You are 100% correct about owning gold after the crash and FDR, but just for the record, and nothing more, gold was outlaw in 1934 (I think). Blessings

      • TnAndy says:

        Actually, FDR did it in the 1933. And you apparently only know part of the rest of the story….learn the whole story.

        The REASON FDR did it was to separate folks from the knowledge that GOLD IS MONEY. You can’t run a govt that depends on a depreciating paper currency as long as people know the difference.

        WELL GUESS WHAT ? They were WILDLY successful. Just look at the board of people who OUGHT to have some knowledge of how things actually work. The majority of them here have no clue what money is, and isn’t.

        Expand beyond that to the general population, and 99.9% of them have no clue.

        So, yeah….it worked.

        NOW they don’t give a rat’s ass about your or my little pile of gold. They aren’t ‘coming for it’ (the folks in 1933 actually believed FDR….today, they don’t trust any politician). Anybody that owns some will tell you “THEY ain’t getting it”.

        They didn’t REALLY give a rat’s ass about it in 1933 either….they didn’t get enough to matter, except out of banks drawers/vaults. The folks that REALLY had piles moved it out of the country well in advance and kept theirs….because THEY understood what is, and isn’t, money.

        The OTHER big thing the 1933 deal did was get rid of gold contracts. Back in the 1880’s, the Supreme court heard a case on legal tender laws. They held that govt paper currency was legal tender (same as gold/silver coin) for debts. You sell somebody a good or service on credit (a debt), they could pay in either paper or coin. To get around that from then on, people wrote “gold contracts”….payment ONLY in gold. That went away in 1933 as well.

    22. Asshat says:

      Six you can be as knowledgeable as you want if no one will do the labor the things you know how to do are useless. It’s not narrow minded to point out that not being able to do labor will be a huge disadvantage. $ and wisdom only get you so far. Some things you have to get up and just do and no$ will do the labor. That’s what I mean. Not saying disabled are completly screwed just gonna have a harder time. A lot of the young people that are able to work are so damn lazy you won’t get them to produce anything they got their faces stuck in screens pushing buttons. I don’t have much hope for them. I don’t bother with people who cry they can’t do this and that. You’ve heard people full of I CANT attitude. If times get tough the I can’t folks have a rude awakening coming. Preps and skills will only do so much for you. It’s over emphasized but physical ability is not mentioned enough. Wife’s aunt who was disabled used to come over and say oh just do this and that and this stuff was not just little jobs re roofing the house is a huge job for one guy to do. I paid the $ and 9 guys did it in 3 hours and hauled away 2 layers of shingles. I would have done it it’s just the job was so big would’ve took a couple weeks too. I’ve split mountains of wood by hand in the hot sun. I’ve seen people just quit when it gets hard especially the overweight. I’ve said on other posts that you need to get your body used to doing things by hand and the hard way . It will keep your expectations real. People are so used to having the option of the easy way.

    23. Enemy of the State says:

      Do You Know Why I’m Pulling You Over, Being Wildly Aggressive, And Charging You With Assault Today, Sir?

    24. Houst/cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Anonymous4, you hit the nail dead on..everyone keeps talking about barter and trade post shtf. The type of shtf is the deciding facture. Economic calapse, as in a real one that was not engineered, barter may work. If it’s from EMP, if it’s environment planetary calapse, this type of calapse it may come in handy and may work. Then again this is another type of environment that triggers a different type of behavior. If it’s and attack from Jade Helm, as in soldiers domestic and foreign use to attack the people. Then barter and other forms of trade will mean nothing. Depending on the type of calapse, gold, silver, may not have any use. Food, water guns and ammo, fuel, will be the methods of barter and trade. When I examine all the forms of shtf, I found out that war is the worst one of them all..because your not sure if you will even be alive the same the day it starts much less worrying about commodity trade. Like I said before, it one Hell of a cluster f…k..so I see your point.

      Aka,

      HCKS,

      Agency Azz clown, Troll Super moderator.

    25. Transnational says:

      Gold is going to drop like a stone if the economy goes into the crapper. Its gonna drop anyways as baby boomers start unloading it to finance their retirements, vacations. Its gonna hit $250 an ounce before 2018. then I will be buying.

    26. Woogie says:

      The stock market was way down over the last few days, and of yesterday, all gains were lost for this year, YET, gold and silver went down with it. This is contrary to the article for now, so Why does gold go down when the stocks go down?

      • blackattack says:

        Woogie. Its gamed, I think. Gold has to be driven down so large powers can acquire it. any fly on the wall knows high inflation is here. The solution to every problem is to print more credit instead of stop spending $1M to put in a 10 foot foot-bridge. The graft is so pervasive it takes 80% of every government project. Those gyppers will not stop printing.

        I think the sentiment that the only good gold is physical gold is correct. Also, i consider why gold was valued. Easy to work and non-corroding. Compare to aluminum for instance. If I had the time, I would research more into making a smelter. That seems like something valuable after SHTF. Or 3-D printer. But I don’t think SHTF will be like that, I think we frogs will be boiled. Long term outlook is a concrete jungle full of mindless apes.

      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        when the stocks collapse(because of everyone being LEVERAGED to the hilt), then the best place to get cash quick to cover those margin calls, is gold and silver..they sell, driving the price down…happens EVERY stock market collapse. but this time it won’t go the usual way….shortly, gold goes through the roof when it becomes clear that the U.S. dollar is finally doomed. don’t forget gold is a store of value….you buy it only AFTER you got your food, water, bullets(and bulletproof vests), guns, tools, community,…and most important of all, popcorn, and a good seat to watch it all come undone….

    27. GrandpaSpeaks says:

      With such diverse opinions one must revert to empirical data. Gold is a Tier 1 no risk asset that counts as reserves for banks to lend currency. It allows futures betting at ratios that exceed 100 to 1. It is the first asset removed from conquered nations (Libya, Ukraine, Iraq). National stockpiles of gold held are national secrets more important than quantities of nuclear weapons. You are not allowed to know how much your national hoard is. When I purchase it from the bank and take possession away from the bank the look on my bankers face tells the tale. It is the small victories that count while we await the larger one. The future wealth however, will be in anything not irradiated.

    28. John says:

      Off Topic, But IMPORTANT!!!
      They are offering Windows 10 for FREE,
      DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT FOR ANY REASON.
      “Artificial Intelligence” that captures every keystroke, every word spoken on your microphone.
      Research it before even thinking about downloading it!!!

    29. The Prophet says:

      Buy low, sell high. Or keep it. You know something is up. Lot’s of Chinese in the US are buying up high end watches. They pay cash or use the Chinese credit card. Tens of thousands of dollars at a time.

    30. The Prophet says:

      25% of the largest malls in the US have closed in the last 2 years. Not safe to go to malls.

    31. The Prophet says:

      Gunman kills 2 and wounds about 8 or 9 in movie theater. This would be considered a slow Friday night in Chicago. Every weekend in Chi-town we get 30 to 40 people shot and about 7 dead. Black crime, not gun crime.

    32. Your precious is only worth something while there is a functioning monetary system in place to value it.

      When SHTF and there is no system left, there is also no benchmark left to value PMs. Hold a gun to each other’s head until you determine the acceptable value of the trade. lol. Only 1 or 2 percent of the population considers it “money”. It is a shiny rock to the rest.

      When gold spikes, you should sell it while FRNs are still accepted and buy things that will be valuable after SHTF. Even the PM “prophets” like Mike Maloney say this.

      When “Mad Max” hits look to fuel as the best hedge and a replacement for money. Buy a stripper well that you can operate with a minimum of outside inputs and you will be the new feudal lord…if you can defend it.

      “History shows that PMs are always the default currency.”

      So, open your history book and show the local potato farmer that paragraph. You will either convince him that those junk silver coins are worth a sack of spuds or he will feed you to the hogs.

      While most of this comment is exaggeration, these are points to put some serious thought to and not just stack precious because others say so.

    33. Sgt. Dale says:

      I can’t afford Gold, but I can get silver. I just buy Silver and copper in 22 cal. 277 cal. 30 cal. and 35 cal.
      Sgt.

    34. The Prophet says:

      That’ll work.

    35. yupyup says:

      Market rolling over. This could be interesting.
      For preps, I typically look at stuff and say “how hard would that be to make” and am sometimes amazed. E.g. fishing line. No production on that and it’ll become really valuable in a more self-sufficient environment. Personally, I don’t think we are headed there. I think in the next year well see MASSIVE printing of credit from the big 4 (USA, China, EURO, Russia) and then we’ll see enslaved people. We already have BOTH! Welp, say I want to pay you a handsome sum of money for a car? How can I? 1000 cans of beans? Gold is the only high value, easily transported, international currency. That’s why I think Gold is always valuable for the rich. Imagine if the rich aristocrats in any fallen gov had converted to gold before their fall… their heirs would still be rich. Welp, maybe many did and many are.

    36. Houst/Cypress/Katy/shtf says:

      Haa, hah aaaaa, Sarge, that was a good one, got me laughing my azz off. I have to agree, lead and brass, just as good. Yep that will work fine.

      By the way Buttcrackofdoom, the name of your handle certainly meets the current trends. We are literally in the middle of the buttcrackofdoom, and its really serious.

    37. Gold has no practical use, except for jewlery and electronics.
      It is over valued, and difficult to store safely – always requiring a safe to hide it in.

      Real assests have multiple uses, practical uses, and continue to GAIN value and usefulness over time.

      Lumps of expensive metal do nothing for me,
      I can not eat it, and nobody is gonna trade food, water, or ammunition for a worthless coin,
      even a gold coin.

      Wealth is better spent on empowering yourself and your family,
      improving your church or local community, educating the young, caring for the old,
      and having a plan A, Plan B, Plan C etc.

      Gold disproportionately consumes huge amounts of financial resources and provides no benefit.
      You are better off spending your extra wealth in purchasing a remote farm and stocking up on the goods and supplies you need…

      Redundancy and surplus items will keep you alive and your belly full.
      A handful of coins from banker tricksters?
      not so much…

     

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