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    U.S. Makes Excuses for Not Bombing ISIS Oil Wells: “Didn’t Want To Do Environmental Damage”

    Michael Snyder
    November 30th, 2015
    Economic Collapse Blog
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    This article was written by Michael Snyder and originally published at his Economic Collapse blog.

    Editor’s Comment: It wouldn’t be U.S. policy if it weren’t hypocritical. The entire war against ISIS has been a sham, a mental jihad to blunt the American people over the head with fear while the world watches a desperate empire try to hold onto petrodollar power with the tools of confusion and destruction. There can be no doubt for anyone paying attention that the U.S. has been funding ISIS, and pretending to fight against them as a reason for intervening in Syria and Iraq.

    The Bizarre Explanation For Why The U.S. Has Avoided Bombing ISIS Oil Wells

    by Michael Snyder

    Why hasn’t the U.S. bombed the oil wells that ISIS controls into oblivion by now?  Would you believe that it is because the Obama administration “didn’t want to do environmental damage”?  Former Deputy Director of the CIA Michael Morell has publicly admitted that we have purposely avoided damaging the main source of income for ISIS, and his explanation for why we were doing this is utterly bizarre.  But at this point what could the Obama administration say that would actually make sense?  Everyone now knows that ISIS has been making hundreds of millions of dollars selling oil in Turkey, and that this has been done with the full knowledge and complicity of the Obama White House.  This is potentially the biggest scandal of the entire Obama presidency, and yet so far the Republicans have not jumped on it.

    If you or I even gave five bucks to ISIS, we would be arrested and hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.  And yet Barack Obama is allowing ISIS to funnel massive quantities of oil through our NATO ally Turkey, and he is not doing anything to stop this from happening.  It is a betrayal of the American people that is so vast that it is hard to put into words.

    By now, virtually everyone on the entire planet knows exactly what is going on.  For example, Iraq’s former National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie shared the following on his Facebook page on Saturday

    “First and foremost, the Turks help the militants sell stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil for $20 a barrel, which is half the market price.”

    Until Russia started bombing the living daylights out of them, an endless parade of trucks carrying ISIS oil would go back and forth over the Turkish border completely unmolested.  Following the downing of a Russian SU-24 bomber by Turkey in an area where many of these trucks travel, Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to publicly air this dirty laundry.  Just check out what he told reporters following a meeting with French President Francois Hollande last week

    Commercial-scale oil smuggling from Islamic State controlled territory into Turkey must be stopped, Putin said after meeting Hollande in Moscow.

    Vehicles, carrying oil, lined up in a chain going beyond the horizon,” said Putin, reminding the press that the scale of the issue was discussed at the G20 summit in Antalya earlier this month, where the Russian leader demonstrated reconnaissance footage taken by Russian pilots.

    The views resemble a living oil pipe stretched from ISIS and rebel controlled areas of Syria into Turkey, the Russian President stressed. Day and night they are going to Turkey. Trucks always go there loaded, and back from there – empty.

    We are talking about a commercial-scale supply of oil from the occupied Syrian territories seized by terrorists. It is from these areas [that oil comes from], and not with any others. And we can see it from the air, where these vehicles are going,” Putin said.

    If the Russians could see all of this, the U.S. military could see it too.  In fact, we have far better surveillance capabilities than the Russians do.

    So why didn’t Obama put an end to this?

    Well, as I mentioned above, former Deputy Director of the CIA Michael Morell told PBS that the Obama administration didn’t want “to create environmental damage”, and he insists that the oil wells are “infrastructure that’s going to be necessary to support the people when ISIS isn’t there anymore”.  The following comes from the Daily Caller

    Appearing on PBS’s “Charlie Rose” on Tuesday, Rose pointed out that before the terrorist attacks in Paris, the U.S. had not bombed ISIS-controlled oil tankers.

    Morell explained, “Prior to Paris, there seemed to be a judgment that … look, we don’t want to destroy these oil tankers because that’s infrastructure that’s going to be necessary to support the people when ISIS isn’t there anymore, and it’s going to create environmental damage. And we didn’t go after oil wells — actually hitting oil wells that ISIS controls because we didn’t want to do environmental damage and we didn’t want to destroy that infrastructure, right.”

    In case you think that this is some sort of a joke, you can watch video of Morell making these comments on PBS below

    After the horrific terror attacks in Paris, the Obama administration finally was shamed into bombing a few of these oil trucks.  But 45 minutes before the U.S. military bombed them, they dropped leaflets telling the truck drivers to “get out of your trucks now and run away from them”.

    Leaflet

    What kind of “war on terror” are we running?

    Why in the world would we want to warn the terrorists to get away from their trucks?

    Meanwhile, things between Russia and Turkey continue to get even more tense.  The Russians have slapped severe economic sanctions on the Turks, they have shut down all channels of communication with Turkey’s military, and they are bombing every Turkish vehicle that they can find inside Syria.  The following comes from a report that was put out by Debka

    In the last two days, Putin has been found saying one thing and doing another: Although he declared that Russia would not go to war with Turkey for “stabbing it in the back”, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that since Wednesday night, Nov. 25, Russian heavy bombers and warplanes have been hitting every Turkish vehicle moving or stationary inside Syria.

    They bombed the Bab al-Hawa border crossing, located on the Turkey-Syria frontier, as well trailers and tractors parked in an area belonging to the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation, on the Syrian side of the border.

    As I wrote about the other day, it has been documented that our NATO ally Turkey has been “training ISIS militants, funneling weapons to them, buying their oil, and tending to their wounded in Turkish hospitals”.  Now, heavy bombing by the Russians threatens to cut off those links

    In addition to punishing the Turkish leader, Russia’s massive military operations in Syria aim to degrade the rebel groups fighting the Assad regime. Heavy bombing sorties this week on the Syrian-Turkish border are cutting off tens of thousands of rebels from their only source of fresh supplies of weapons, ammo, food and fighters, leaving them without a line of retreat and nowhere to send their wounded.

    At this point, Russia and Turkey are very close to a state of war.

    But as a member of NATO, the United States is obligated to help protect Turkey if a full-blown shooting war does break out.

    We are closer to World War III than we have been in decades, and yet most Americans are still completely and totally oblivious to what is taking place.

    Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, because things over in the Middle East threaten to spiral completely and totally out of control.


    beginning-of-the-end-snyderMichael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.

    Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream

    If you want to know what things in America are going to look like in a few years read his new book The Beginning of the End.

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    1. john stiner says:

      Didn’t want to cause environmental damage is just code word for “we don’t want to stop funding terrorism and ISIS.”

      I sure hope the next administration prosecutes Obama and his cronies.

      • Nobama says:

        When Obola breathes, he’s polluting the environment.

      • Silver Lodge says:

        Anyone starting to wonder that Obama is being so over the top ridiculous with this, the refugees, etc, that the plan is to piss off the voters so much they put a Republican in office for when the collapse occurs, they can be blamed?

        Eh, just thinking out loud..

        • Frank Thoughts says:

          I think, and it is sad, but Americans need to realise they have been grossly deceived by their government and in particular, the president. It has been an agenda funded by Saudi Arabia to increase the global power of Islam. Why? Because they have a ballooning population, dwindling resources and they have a pre-progammed zombie population who hate Jews, Christians and others. The idea is to disperse across the wealthy Western countries to grab their land and resources. The execution has been by stealth and deceit. We lost the war on terror.

    2. AGENT SKINHEAD says:

      The dudes in charge world wide are fuckin’ pricks.
      Like they even give a rats ass about our environment or us.
      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA… Don’t think so.
      I love trees and all things green.
      Nature is good… Especially by the ocean.
      Enjoy your life people xXx

    3. Robin Sage says:

      “Didnt want to cause environmental damage”

      LOL
      gulf oil spill
      FuckUshema
      all the wars and bombs and fuel burned to support all those wars
      and nuke testing etc
      Afghanistan
      gimme a break

    4. Robin Sage says:

      GMO’s

      the list is too long

    5. Neal says:

      All disturbing lame excuses aside, hasn’t ANYONE figured it out yet that the US FED GOV and all the Obama flunkies serve ONLY their own political and economic interests and dont give one schit about anything else?
      All the corrupt FED GOV you will accept and not “abolish”…You deserve what your defend or fail to fight..

    6. Diane D says:

      ISIS is the US. It was created, supplied and funded by the US government. What don’t you understand?

      • Babycatcher55 says:

        About three weeks ago it all came together for me. I know, I’m slow, but hey, there’s too much evidence out there supporting it. I hope I survive what’s coming to this country.

      • Makemyday says:

        Straight from Michael Savage’s pen:

        “This by far is the biggest scandal of the entire Obama presidency, but so far the republicans have not jumped on it”.

        Is Savage a loon?

        Or is it that he just hasn’t got the word that the republicans are also in bed with the PTB.

        • Savage is a loon. Both sides of the aisle are corporate-owned. .. big oil wants that infrastructure intact and under its control. Of course Obama is not going against the Masters of the Universe. Environmental concerns? Hahahaha

    7. watching and waiting says:

      I believe our leader is Muslim friendly and could be a enabler of this organization.

      In my opinion, without boots on the ground, victory never be achieved. problem is, they don’t want victory.

      Some will disagree with this statement. I believe our leader is a Muslim. If he was a christian he would promote Christ. Has he? He may see him as being the one to bring forth The Muslim Messiah or being influenced as having the capability(which he does,) believing that he will come when the world is filled with violence ISIS “The Army Of Black Flags” could be that instrument. http://www.answering-islam.org
      This web site talks about the coming Islamic Messiah and read chapter 4 if you dare. We have to face up.

      Must understand the threat. Will explain a lot of what has been happening from this administration that people do not see or willing to admit. Yes, I believe they are here.

      Some of you do. Many don’t. The main stream media will not say.
      Many Americans are walking to their death with both eyes open.

      Reason why our streets are not running with blood is because they are not equal or have more numbers. That day is coming.

      Our world is changing and will not go back as it was. We have to face that. The pandora’s box has been opened. We are heading head on to a clash of civilizations.

      Just my opinion…

      • slingshot says:

        W&W

        “Reason why our streets are not running with blood is because they are not equal or have more numbers. That day is coming.”

        Right you are!

        Had a Black Person tell me one time. “How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot, Whitey”.
        Never did nothing to this person to warrant that statement.

        Referring to Affirmative Action and the Social Engineering.

        I have a big Fuck You and something else if they decide to jump.

    8. Kevin2 says:

      When you use terrorists to overthrow sovereign nations and at a minimum the blowback is a mass wave of undesirable refugees going to Europe fueling terrorist attacks while simultaneously provoking Russia,its a safe bet that “our friends” privately (LOL in the age of the NSA) are quite displeased with the US.

      “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”, is the driving force in the quest for complete control.

      I think the strategy is, “Never use a fly swatter if a sledge hammer is available”.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        It’s obvious that the African virus in the WH doesn’t touch the oil fields because he/CIA/corporate masters created and financed ISIS and are in bed with the Turks in supporting ISIS. The tankers carrying that oil are allowed into Turkey every day and is shipped out to intl. markets at below the current global prices. Putin is doing exactly what needs to be done concerning ISIS. If all outside support for ISIS is cut off, they’ll eventually cease to exist. Putin uses a sledge hammer where the African virus only uses a fly swatter. Turks are barbaric people anyway. Let Putin do what he wants with them.

        • Kevin2 says:

          Braveheart1776

          We fundamentally agree. My point is the creation of ISIS and the backing of AQ to overthrow governments out of favor with the banksters and creating failed states in its wake. They’re intentionally destabilizing the Middle East so that governments with the capacity to, “say no” to the banksters don’t exist. Terrorism is both a tool and byproduct of this policy. US youth supplying the cannon fodder will be committed to rectify a problem created by the very people sending them. Within a very short period of time a “Mission Change” will occur due to the occurrence of a false flag and the US will be engaging the Syrian Military with the ouster of Assad as the ultimate goal.

          When violence is used in the place of solid economic policy your days are numbered. Its neither justifiable or sustainable.

    9. Anonymous says:

      The real reason they didn’t bomb the ISIS wells can be ascertained by taking a close look at who is buying all that oil and meditating on it a bit.

      It has nothing to do with environmental concerns.

    10. Blackjack says:

      Obama, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia are all playing both sides of the fence to crate the current migration, to spread Islam and destabilize the west. They want world wide domination.

      • Anonymous says:

        In all probability they will gain it.

        Something that won’t be corrected till the final battle takes place, a battle where a small remnant with seemingly no hope of victory will be fully victorious and their enemies removed from history forever.

        The time between the fall of western civilization and the final battle could be extensive, you will have to live under Islam -and its allied supporters- till then.

    11. Mike in VA says:

      Global Warming or Climate Change

      It is the second biggest scam in the history of this country. The first would be the FED.
      Global warming was done as an avenue to control peoples property and money. People better wake up on this one too. It is used as a tool to acquire power and money.

      Some examples would be the regulations on how homes are built, wood stoves, cars, and even cow flatulence. They establish NOX ( nitrous oxide ) credits in the power industry. They have tried to establish carbon dioxide credits. This in all in the power, steel, and paper mill industries. They have used it to try to push Agenda 21. They have used the enforcers which are the environmental protection agency ( Federal Government ) and the Department of Environmental Quality ( State Government ). The regulations and extortion of money you have to go through on your own property is absurd. Building permits, zoning codes, property taxes, fines on everything from how many junk cars you can have to how many bathrooms you must have. You are told what type of light bulb you can have, how many windows you must have, what type of septic system you must have, and that is only if the county says your property perks. Then you may be allowed to purchase your building permit.

      Has it occurred to anyone that the erosion of personal property rights means that the government literally owns everything. We have lost our freedom for many reasons. We have lost our rights to own things in this country in the name of the environment.

      We now take coal and ship it over seas to China. We actually burn clean coal in this country due to billions spent on equipment to take the ash, NOX, SO2, and CO out of the gas that goes up the stack. China has no regulation and burns the coal how ever they like.

      Do I believe we should take care of our world? Yes but all these regulations have become ridiculous. They are used to remove freedom and money from certain groups and give it to others. True evidence shows that the planet has cooled some for the past 15 years. There has been evidence that has been manipulated for the purpose of continuing the global warming scam. It is done to continue the reduction of freedom, the extortion of money, which in turn gives power to certain people and groups.

      This country had better wake up on so many levels. Climate and Global Warming is used in so many situations. It is said that we only have 20 years to survive as a planet in its current state. That is true for sure. The changes we have seen in just the last 30 years are amazing. Problem is it is caused by governments and world powers. Not a false premise of climate change.

      We as people are so small and minute compared to mother nature. We don’t come close to the power she has. Did the planet warm for a period? Yes. It is now cooling and it is my belief it is caused by the sun. Volcanic eruptions throw ash and everything else into the atmosphere and winters on parts of the planet are worse due to the blocking of the suns heat. Now the elite are saying that we are going into a small ice age due to global warming. WHAT????

      It is a natural cycle.

      Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Kevin2 says:

        The developed nations have strict rules but the developing nations are not so governed. In effect this facilitates a transfer of industrial capacity to the developing world. It accomplishes the goal intended. As I said many times the answer to every question given to government has an answer that one way or the other progresses globalization.

        China was (maybe still is) putting on line two large coal fired electrical generating power plants per week (accruing to trade journals) that have no environmental controls or restrictions.China is also the greatest consumer of carbon based fuels.

        I did the NOX / CO control in a 60MW power plant for a decade before retiring.

        • Mike in VA says:

          Kevin

          I have 10 years to retire and am a supervisor of operations at two different power stations that are directly accross hte river from each other. One is a very old coal fired station that was converted to gas two years ago. The other is a brand new gas fired station.
          You are correct with your post.

          • Kevin2 says:

            Mike in Va

            You must have a real engineering degree. I have a simple Gold Seal Engineers license. I retired as a shift supervisor. Cut my eye teeth burning bunker C in boilers so old they had riveted drums and ended up with Natural Gas / Refinery Gas mix in a Gas Turbine HRSG, conventional boiler / steam turbine 60 MW plant.

            Love to discuss the book lights out by David Kopple. I have some disagreements with the hacking doing extensive damage as the protective devices are all hard wired.

            • Mike in VA says:

              Kevin

              Nope. I went through a 39 month training program to become an operator. Then about a year of training to become a control room operator. Started at an old plant that originally was built in the 20’s. The units I operated and still do were built in the 50’s. Front fired boilers with bunkers. That is until a couple of years ago when we were forced to convert to gas by our wonderful government. When that happened an brand new 2 on 1 gas fired unit had been built across the river from our plant. I had made shift supervisor at that time. In the reduction in forces that occurred I was told that I would become a shift supervisor at both stations. The new unit has a HRSG and a GE 7E turbine. I like my old Westinghouse 80 MW and 170 MW turbines better. The old front fired boilers are better in my opinion too. Just better built and made to last. The new units are not meant to last near as long.
              I have earned everything I have gotten so far. I also would not be where I am at if it were not for good people on my shifts. They have helped me greatly along the way.
              I have not read that book but will now that you have brought it up. I have read One Second After. Enjoyed it and learned a lot from it.

              • Kevin2 says:

                Mike in Va

                Our backgrounds are similar starting out with a torch light off, no interlocks, NOX? what’s that I’m only concerned about opacity and excess air. Graduated to a Honeywell TDC 3000 from pneumatics. Black Seal Fireman, Blue Seal 3rd Class, Red Seal 2nd Class then the coveted Gold Seal 1st Class Engineers License; one tough test. In the end it was very useful academics as I conversed well with EE & Me degreed engineers, Vars, Reactive Power – Power Factor, spoke their language. If we go back to the stone age that old knowledge might be useful too. Seen Steam equipment in a museum that I operated at one time. Marmaduke Surfaceblow was my favorite from Power Magazine.

                • Mike in VA says:

                  When we were on coal we had to worry about mostly opacity for the first 10 years or so. Then due to regulations they put in what is called a ROFA fan. It made NOX lower. They did that so they could obtain NOX credits. Which they then sold. In the beginning I thought they were crazy when they asked me for a lighter to fire off the boiler. I learned to fire on the old pneumatic controls. I actually like them better than the computerized controls of today.
                  Some history at my old station. The first two units were the largest east of the Mississippi. They were about 20 MW’s a piece. I was told that they were the first units to be able to start equipment remotely. People from other nations came to see them.
                  We definitely do have the similar back grounds. The government mandates full load, and reactive power testing yearly. Vars have become a major test for reliability of the grid. It is amazing how things have changed in the last 20 years.

      • CuzzinJim says:

        I’ve uttered the same words a million times. It’s nothing but wealth transfer, and we are getting the shit end of the stick. First it was global warming, that didn’t work out, then global cooling, well, not so much, so the good ol catch all “climate change” steps up to the plate. The whole think reeks, but sooner or later the wheels will fall off the cart and there will be a reset. I’m afraid it’s gonna be damn ugly though.

      • Ketchupondemand says:

        Mike, most here are already awake about your points.
        The problem is getting the sheeple off their i-gadgets and junk TV to realize it, and the MSM to actually spill the truth. Never going to happen, barring total miracle.
        Watched the first minute of “Breakthrough Awards” or some bullshit show last night and Seth McFarlane started babbling about the “97% of scientists agree man is causing global warming” and I about puked. Brainless bag of dirt.

        • Mike in VA says:

          Ketchupondemand

          In my travels it seems that the 30 to 50 year old group is somewhat awake. They remember how things used to be to some extent. They have personally had government regulations effect them in some ways. I find that the liberal utopia taught in schools sounds great until the ones in school hit the real world.

          Always amazing how socialist utopia is great until it effects your own personal paycheck. lol

      • Darren Stevens says:

        Exactly. right on the money. Good post.

    12. slingshot says:

      Nothing going to be done about it. The American people don’t give a rats ass what the government does. They will not be concerned till it hits home. Lies upon lies. Cover up upon cover up. People still too stupid to believe what is happening.

      To the Newbies.

      Something is better than nothing. If you stock away some food, water and gear. A small Bug Out Bag or Car Emergency kit. You will be FAR AHEAD of others when the scramble begins. Staying one step ahead as you have completed a task while others struggle what you have accomplished already. It’s a timing thing. Time will be important.
      To the Seasoned Prepper’s

      This just turns my stomach. We all knew this was happening and now that it is out in the open. Most Americans will not believe it.

      This will be covered over by the Christmas sales.

    13. slingshot says:

      Why did Obama scrub the Top Brass and retired those who posed a threat.

    14. Sgt. Dale says:

      Don’t want to mess with the environment? What the hell we and Iraq blew up the oil fields in the two wars there. Did any of you see a problem? I sure as hell didn’t. We used depleted uranium shells. Did anyone see a problem? (none that I know of) if there is please let me know, and excuse my ignorance on the fact.

      Obullshit didn’t hit them because he doesn’t want to hurt is muslime brothers. Why can’t the turd tell the truth that he is a muslime and doesn’t give a Rat’s Ass about the USA. 13 more months of this turd. God HELP us.

      THERE IS ALMOST NEXT TO NOTHING SHORT OF A ALL OUT NUCLEAR WAR OR A LARGE VERY LARGE METEOR STRIKE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE IN OUR PLANT IN A FEW YEARS. The plant changes. It took many many years for the dinosaurs to die out. What makes us think that we won’t be gone some day. Oh ya we are man and we can control everything that God has made, because we are as great as God. NOT!!!!

      This Global warming yesterdays term. Todays term because Global Warming has been proved to be a fraud. Is now Climate change. Bull Shit!

      Climate change in central Illinois is like the fall or spring in Illinois. Today we can have sunny skies with 40 degrees by noon it can be rainy and 60 degrees, by afternoon the temps can fall to 25 and have 5 inches of snow now that is Climate Change!!!!

      IT IS ALL A PLOY TO GET MORE MONEY FROM THE SLAVES WE HAVE BECOME!!!!

      A.S.M.S.
      Sgt.

      • Depleted uranium in munitions was first used by Bush the Senior and then used by Bush the Junior. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Bush the Junior flooded this country with Muslims during his War on Terror. Flooded this country! Why were you dead asleep then?

        • Sgt. Dale says:

          “R”
          Yes I know that the Bushes brought in muslimes to the USA.

          They F$%&ED up. But they haven’t been in power for over 7 years now. The Buck stops at the person in charge. Hells bells if we want to keep blaming the past you won’t get anything done. We need to work on today and tomorrow.

          No one is asleep here. I don’t dwell in the past. I just learn from it and go forward.

          Sgt.

        • AGENT SKINHEAD says:

          ehem!

          To quote little Bush.

          The
          War
          Against
          Terror.

    15. overthecliff says:

      They brazenly lie because they know the sheep do not care about anything but Kim K. ass and Caitlyn Jenners dick. As a whole this nation is getting what it deserves.

      • slingshot says:

        overthecliff’

        I do agree. This is what our country deserves. I’m telling you I am going to laugh my ass off as hundreds if not thousands of American’s, with their “Multi Colored Hair”. All tattooed up and body piercings in their noses Dressed in the two sizes too small leotards that they try to color co-ordinate with their hair. Running around screaming for help and smoking a crack pipe as they ride their HoverRounds.
        Those around me now better get their shit together because I am going to switch in a heartbeat of being considerate and tolerable of others to, I have NO TIME for Stupidity.

        • Mike in VA says:

          Slingshot

          I try my best to help all. The older I get the grumpier I get I guess. You just get sick and tired of the no class idiots you see out in public. They respect no one but themselves. I know I am supposed to try to help all. It is becoming harder and harder.

          • slingshot says:

            Mike in Va.

            Oh, Mike I say a lot of shit to vent and I was never this way before, but I am turning plumb mean.

          • I get more irritated with grumpy old people who have forgotten their misspent youth! I have talked at length with the younguns and do not feel negatively toward them. They have different ideas and hate old folks for the greed that created this mess that they might not even inherit… as they say, our generation is an epic fail. I have taught some of them easy gardening, and seen some avid gardeners come out of gifting them a fruit tree seedling. The amazing thing about it is they have no hope but gardening regenerates hope in some. I am retired now and next summer is my first full time garden. Add in preserving food and I will likely work harder than ever. The US has almost 45 million home gardens today… a huge increase. The biggest percentage increase was among millenials. I read more alternate news and blogs and I don’t believe 3 million preppers. I think that number is only the openly declared right wing preppers. The closest term I can see for left wing preppers is Permies… short for permaculturalists. There are a lot of Permies out there folks, and they are fighting GMOs, Monsanto, phony wars like Isis, corporation of everything, and so on. I never see them blog about wanting to kill every rightwingnut… like I see here sometimes, “I want to kill every liberal.” Permies are true liberals not corporate-owned liberal nonsense on MSM. There are millions of Permies all over… and they are team players. They know Obama is a corporate stooge just like every President back to Reagan.

            • Sorry… that was meant to be corporization. Like privatization of schools, prison, social security… all meant to push more money to the 1 percent and not intended to improve our scoold, prison systems, or security. When corporations target what they want to take over… they first break it to convince the people it needs taken over. We are in the “it’s broken stage” For that matter… our government is in that stage too…. NWO will offer to fix that broken mess for us. Mark my words.

            • slingshot says:

              Rebecca.

              I have talked to many young people and tried to tell them to stay within your means. Stay out of Debt. Put something away for the tough times. They want to put 45 years of life into one year. They want everything NOW!
              Put it on the card. Buy the most expensive car and string it out for TEN Years. No money down. Don’t buy a starter home. Go for the Mansion. It’s Only money and you only live once.
              I heard it all before and I can see why some people now would say I am bitter and harsh but they don’t listen. It’s in one ear and out the other. Yepper. I don’t know shit till they have a problem. One that could have been avoided.

            • grandee says:

              I also have seen more back yard gardens and previous gardens enlarged. There are also many new chicken tractors and small hen house enclosures all around in my small town USA.

              Those in my neighborhood no longer ask why I want to garden and have chickens.

              They know.

            • Mike in VA says:

              Rebecca

              I am 47. I have grown up in the country out in the middle of no where. I garden, raise pigs, chickens, and hunt. I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I am talking about young people who have no respect for anyone or anything but themselves. They have no clue how to manage themselves, finances, or others. They don’t have respect for this country or the things that originally made this country great. Things like self reliance, hard work, and the ability to both fail and succeed. They feel entitled and feel that others owe them. They don’t respect people in any way. The only thing that matters is their poor pathetic life. I see it all the time in mostly the 15 to 30 age group. There are exceptions and I will help the exceptions in any way I can. It is just that the exceptions are outnumbered by the worthless one’s ten fold.

          • Braveheart1776 says:

            Mike in VA, welcome back, and I know what you mean. I used to help people a lot myself. Used to feel good about it. I always knew it was the right thing to do. But nowadays I look at it the same way as you and slingshot do. If you get the same people coming back for help over and over, something is definitely wrong with those people. I didn’t make my decision to stop helping others easily, only after a lot of thought and soul-searching. It has eaten away at me to some degree. But I never forget that I’m only responsible for me and my own. I don’t owe the damn world anything. Nobody is owed anything. I’m only another individual trying to survive out here, not some govt. agency with tax dollars to waste on freeloaders.

            • Mike in VA says:

              Brave

              I still help people. It is the people that cuss around women, talk during prayers or the national anthem. People that watch the elderly carrying groceries or dog food. Just people that care nothing about anything but themselves. I will help those who are trying. Who are respectful and generally nice. It is just that so many seem to have no class and no respect for anything. Those I am sick of. It has made me a home body. Just sick of no manners being taught and people being disrespectful. No honor, honesty, or class. Just sick of it.

          • Sgt. Dale says:

            Mike
            I know that I’m getting tired of preaching the news of self reliance. Where I get the most tired is from the 20 to 40 year olds that believe they know it all, and believe the Guberment will help them.

            AT THIS TIME I HAVE TRIED, AND NOW IT IS TIME FOR ME TO HELP MYSELF. Will I help those who ask YES I will. As most of you know I’m as ready as you can get, but no matter how well I’m prepare you know I know I missed something. That is why I’m a member of a group. I can’t do it all.

            Am I grumpy? You bet I am. I’m that way because, I KNOW HOW THEY ARE GOING TO SUFFER! I don’t want to see them suffer or try to come to me for help when the Shit Hits The Fan.

            Hang in there my FRIEND.

            Sgt.

            • Mike in VA says:

              Sgt

              Thank you and I will. I am tired of the same things. I am also tired of people not preparing and thinking they know everything about life. They don’t care whether they work or not. They also think they are entitled to everything. Life is tough and gives you nothing. You have to earn it. Including respect. I am sorry to say they will learn that the hard way.

        • Ketchupondemand says:

          exactly right, sling. Patience runs thin these days. I’m surrounded by a lot of the people you describe. The clueless are going to be so surprised, as in, “no one told us this would happen”, waaaah?

          • slingshot says:

            Ketchupondemand

            I ask myself, would I still stop to lend assistance to those in need like in a nasty traffic accident. I do have first aid training plus military. I carry a major first aid kit/trauma in the truck. Consider the traffic speed and the fruitcakes behind the steering wheel. Do I risk my life to save others.

            Others, being the key word. Who are the others? Are they the same people we bitch about? Would I refuse to help because of their facial appearance? Should I take the side and say. Well That is one less Jerkoff in the world to worry about.

            Before I would not hesitate to lend assistance. I have in the past. No big deal. It is the right thing to do.

            But now as the world is. I would hesitate and that eats at me somewhat.

            • john stiner says:

              I drove up on a wreck once where there was an minor traffic accident and when a good Samaritan nurse walked over to assist she was hit by a drunk driver and got both her legs broken.

              Good deeds never go unpunished.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Sling, I’m with you on that. Everyone can imagine my frame of mind now since the home invasion. I really don’t give a shit anymore. someone wants to f#$% with me they pay a price for it, period. MOLON LABE

      • john stiner says:

        Kim K and Bruce/Katlin Jenner are needed to bring about the coming collapse.

        Getting sheeple to trash their morals and values makes transformation of society that much easier.

        The terms “social justice, income inequality, 1%” are just ways to steal from people. With a disregard of morals and values then steeling from other people becomes the new accepted norm.

        Gone are the days when people would rather get screwed than intentionally screw someone else.

        Now are the times when everybody is screwing everybody else, especially companies and cooperation.

        What’s the answer? Buy more ammo.

    16. smokey says:

      I’ll agree that ‘not destroying infrastructure’ is a valid concept in war, you don’t blow up the dam unless there is a good military reason for doing so.

      However, failing to deny the enemy oil for fuel and sale to make the money that keeps their evil game going is complete bullshit.

    17. Old Guy says:

      Its all about the petro dollar. follow the money. Puten want to dry up that oil production he is bombing. Because he need,s the price of Russian oil to rise. That oil and ISIS belong to the NWO they want to keep the oil price low to bankrupt Russia. Follow the money Glowbull warming & climate change is a myth ,lie, religion designed to make the blue collar middle class extinct.

    18. Destroying infrastructure is more commonly done by those giving up territory not those hoping to gain territory. That’s why Sherman’ March across Georgia was so shocking it made the history books. Big Oil plans to gain that infrastructure, Obama has his orders.

    19. Mensa Graham says:

      Be honest, Obama did not want to bomb his JV team. Everyone knows he was raised a muslim and once a muslim always a muslim. He has had way too many slips for anyone other than brain dead to think otherwise.

    20. Anonymous says:

      …Didn’t want to do damage to the financing of their agency “ISIS” whom they use as the shock troops to scare the sheepish public into complying with whatever the powers-that-be and their elite masters want them to comply.

    21. Anonymous says:

      The Western powers-that-be owe an apology to Dresden and the other cities in Germany that they bombed to smitherines in order to “get rid of” the Nazi war machine. Germany was, with U.S. superintendence, of course, rebuilt to U.S. standards for U.S. profit. Why wouldn’t be Syria’s “infrastructure”, after it would be bombed out to rid the world of “ISIS”–unless, of course, the obvious, that “ISIS” is their shock troop agency that they use to enforce compliance among the scare, sheepish masses?

      • john stiner says:

        For what ever reason, i don’t know. It is now a no no to kill civilians during war. In WWII killing civilians was expected, on all sides of the war.

        Oh yea, and fuck those Nazi Dresden extra crispy bastards.

    22. USMC1982 says:

      I had a frank discussion with my sister-in-law – who I respect- tonight about where we are now as a country. I was trying to warn here about the markets and where the dollar is headed. She gave me the deer in the headlights look. After what happened in 08 and everything that is going on in this world I find it impossible to believe how asleep most people still are.

      But if / when that day comes I will welcome her and others into my home.

      I get that look sometimes, but I am not going to stop trying to wake people up.

    23. Mr Smith says:

      With all the bull coming out of the state department these days i think little Kim from North Koria has more street cred than the USA.

      The USA is becoming just as hated in the world as Israel is and i am not talking about muzzes from the middle east but people on the streets of Europe.

      Six little girls in a family was killed when the US dropped bombs on ISIS (or so they said) and all six girls were killed and the US then says it carried out an investigation but they never questioned anyone in the village and used twiiter for this top level investigation.

      Thank god we have other countries with real reporters that do the ground work to expose just what the banker puppets in the US are doing.

      The world now knows that the USA is clearly behind ISIS and the only bombing it was doing in Syria was bombing anyone who were fighting ISIS and now six more little kids are dead.

     
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